WEBVTT - Flying the Coup

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with

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<v Speaker 1>Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording not so live from

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<v Speaker 1>our podstream studios in Times Square, Folks. As you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I am on vacation this week, but I have a

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<v Speaker 1>slew of shows that I am bringing to you, a

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<v Speaker 1>slew of interviews with some of our favorites. I am

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<v Speaker 1>really excited to introduce for today's show our friend MSNBC

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<v Speaker 1>legal analysts Glenn Kushner, who is going to run us

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<v Speaker 1>through all of I would say the latest and greatest,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what usually would rhyme, but all of the

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<v Speaker 1>mayhem and misery of the legal fuckery that Trump and

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<v Speaker 1>his associates are in right now. He's going to break

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<v Speaker 1>down for us where things stand, whether or not we

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<v Speaker 1>are going to see the indictment parade that we have

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<v Speaker 1>been talking about for what seems like forever. Also joining

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<v Speaker 1>I am so excited to welcome her back to woke

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<v Speaker 1>FPP Daily, our friend Yasmin Vasuki, and you watch her.

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<v Speaker 1>You see her on MSNBC. She anchors on the weekends

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<v Speaker 1>and she is extraordinary, and we're going to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>her about media's responsibility in this moment, of the global

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<v Speaker 1>health pandemic, of the racial uprisings, and whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>you know we're doing the job that people need us

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<v Speaker 1>to do, which is to be truthful and transparent, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as talking about a lot of the places that

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<v Speaker 1>don't get a lot of coverage that she covers on

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<v Speaker 1>her show, which is areas of the Middle East that

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<v Speaker 1>we really do not give any attention to, any good

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<v Speaker 1>attention anyway. And so with these two guests, I hope

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<v Speaker 1>that you guys enjoy the conversation, send me comments and dms.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though I'm on vacation, you know that I can't

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<v Speaker 1>help myself but to respond to all of you. So

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that you enjoy this show. Coming up next, friends,

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<v Speaker 1>I am always so excited when we have the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to be joined by our friend MSNBC legal analyst and

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<v Speaker 1>the host of Justice Matters, Glenn Kirshner. Glenn, you wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a piece this week for MSNBC dot Com entitled DJ

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<v Speaker 1>Officials Thwarted Trump's coup. Next step a criminal investigation. Glenn,

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<v Speaker 1>We've been talking about this at nauseum for the better

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<v Speaker 1>part of a year, and what is interesting as we

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<v Speaker 1>continue to wait for the parade of indictments. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence that Donald Trump committed a conspiracy in order

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<v Speaker 1>to overthrow the election is just mounting. We have Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 1>Clark's letter, we have now testimony that happened from Jeffrey Rosen.

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<v Speaker 1>I just what are we what is it that we need?

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<v Speaker 1>What is it that you think that we need in

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<v Speaker 1>order to begin these proceedings? Like how much more bite

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<v Speaker 1>size pieces, huge bite sized pieces of evidence do we

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<v Speaker 1>need in order to say now is the time? On

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<v Speaker 1>the evidentiary front. We have all we need and then some.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know the standard, the FBI standard for opening

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<v Speaker 1>a criminal investigation. Fancy fifty cent word or phrase when

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<v Speaker 1>a nickel word will do. That's what lawyers like to do,

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<v Speaker 1>so they can charge money to define those complex words.

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<v Speaker 1>Adequate predication and in the FBI manual, this is all

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<v Speaker 1>that means that there is some information or allegation, some

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<v Speaker 1>minimal evidence that conduct constituting a federal crime has been committed,

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<v Speaker 1>may have been committed, or maybe in the process of

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<v Speaker 1>being committed. It is as low and evidentiary standard as

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<v Speaker 1>we have in our criminal practice. So we know that

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<v Speaker 1>there's adequate predication. Times a thousand right there. Really, I

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<v Speaker 1>would maintain, Danielle, there's evidence beyond a reasonable bout that

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump committed a conspiracy to defraud the United States

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<v Speaker 1>by unlawfully trying to overturn the election results, just as

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<v Speaker 1>my friends Barb McQuaid, Joyce Fans, and Lawrence Tribe argued

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<v Speaker 1>recently in their joint Washington Post op ed. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>not waiting for the evidence to come in. What has

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<v Speaker 1>to happen, and what I maintain is happening at the

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Justice. And I can talk about why I

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<v Speaker 1>have that bedrock belief in a minute. Is that it

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<v Speaker 1>all has to be presented to the grand jury, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is no small task, and then we have to

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<v Speaker 1>craft and we prosecutors have to craft an indictment. They

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<v Speaker 1>have to get the grand jury to vote on it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we're off to the races. So all of that,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it have been accomplished long ago. With some

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<v Speaker 1>of Donald Trump's crimes, it hasn't been accomplished yet. I

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<v Speaker 1>think in part because the DOJ leadership team is still

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<v Speaker 1>relatively new, right, I have complete confidence. I remain confident

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<v Speaker 1>in this DOJ leadership team, even though I don't like

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<v Speaker 1>some of the decisions on the institutional front that Merrick

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<v Speaker 1>Garland has made. But Merrick Garland, Lisa Monico, Deputy Attorney General,

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<v Speaker 1>Vanita Gupta, Kristen Clark, I have confidence, faith and trust

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<v Speaker 1>in this leadership team. That's why I believe they are

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<v Speaker 1>criminally investigating, given the very low bar required to open

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<v Speaker 1>an investigation. But I think what frustrates the heck out

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<v Speaker 1>of us is it has moved too slowly while Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump trapeses around the country recruiting foot soldiers for insurrection.

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<v Speaker 1>Two point oh public safety as at is at risk.

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<v Speaker 1>So for God's sakes, drop an indictment on this man's

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<v Speaker 1>head already. So let me remind folks. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>according to the piece that you just referenced by Barbara McQuaid,

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<v Speaker 1>Lawrence Tribe, and our friend Joyce White Vance. Here's a

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<v Speaker 1>roadmap for the Justice Department to follow and investigating Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is in the Washington Post. And I want

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<v Speaker 1>to remind folks because again I thought one of these

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<v Speaker 1>things alone, Glenn was enough to move forward. So here's

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<v Speaker 1>what we have. We have the call with Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>with Brad Raffen Raffensberger, the Georgia Secretary of State, find

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<v Speaker 1>me eleven thy seven hundred and eighty votes. Then we

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<v Speaker 1>have Trump's pressure on Acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen as

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<v Speaker 1>well as Mike Pence to advance the big lie. Then

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<v Speaker 1>we have recently revealed the phone call between Trump and

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<v Speaker 1>Rosen to say, just say the election was corrupt and

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<v Speaker 1>then leave the rest to me and my Republican allies.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you have Trump's own public statements along with Drudy

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<v Speaker 1>Giuliani Moe Brooks to incite the mob on January sixth,

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<v Speaker 1>And what they say in this piece is that none

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<v Speaker 1>of these facts alone proves the crime beyond a reasonable doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, again, I'm not an attorney, but I

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<v Speaker 1>completely disagree. How does the President of the United States

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<v Speaker 1>calling the Secretary of State one of the one of

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<v Speaker 1>the states being contested, Georgia, and say, find me the

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<v Speaker 1>exact amount of votes that I need to win. How

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<v Speaker 1>is that not beyond How is that not criminal? Beyond

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<v Speaker 1>a reasonable doubt? I disagree with my learned colleagues. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's a lot of brain power, Joyce, Barb and Lawrence,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a lot of experience, and most importantly, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of dedication to the rule of law. All

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<v Speaker 1>I ever was. I was never a bureaucrat. I was

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<v Speaker 1>never a muck any muck. I'm not accusing them of

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<v Speaker 1>being those things. Mind you. All I did was proved

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<v Speaker 1>cases in court for more than three decades. There's proof

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<v Speaker 1>beyond a reasonable doubt that Donald Trump committed BOOKOO crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>BOOKO is a legal term, including as you just precisely

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out, there are Georgia's state election crimes that can

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<v Speaker 1>be proved by that recorded phone call where Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>said I want to steal the election and I need

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<v Speaker 1>eleven thousand, seven hundred and eighty votes to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Find them for me. I couldn't disagree more with anybody

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<v Speaker 1>who contends that we don't yet have evidence beyond a

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<v Speaker 1>reasonable doubt. Yes we do. We also have an in

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<v Speaker 1>Volume two of the Mullah Report for multiple counts of felony,

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<v Speaker 1>obstruction of justice. We have it everywhere. We are awash

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<v Speaker 1>in evidence of Donald Trump's crimes, and we need to

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<v Speaker 1>move out. We need to begin to hold him accountable

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<v Speaker 1>because the public trust and confidence is waning every day

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<v Speaker 1>in every day, Glenn, Because you know when I just first,

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<v Speaker 1>when we heard the call with Georgia State Secretary. I said, damn,

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<v Speaker 1>this man is caught, right, then nothing happens. Then we

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<v Speaker 1>hear yet another call with now Jeffrey Rosen. Just say,

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<v Speaker 1>just directing him if that is not coercion when we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about right, um, coercion, Just say that the election

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<v Speaker 1>was corrupt. Whether or not you can find anything, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>handle the rest. Is that not like a direct order

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<v Speaker 1>from a mob boss? Me and my body's got it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just need you to do this one thing for me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you just blow open the bank vault door. You leave

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<v Speaker 1>the rest to me. It's it's mob talk. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>transparent what he was saying, folks. I am so excited

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<v Speaker 1>to welcome in the studio my first in studio guest,

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<v Speaker 1>our friend returned Na Yasmin Vesugi and you know her

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<v Speaker 1>as an MSNBC anchor on the weekends Saturday and Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>three to five pm. Yasmen, what a crazy time to

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<v Speaker 1>be on television. You know, how do you I want

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<v Speaker 1>to start off because there's so many things that I

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk to you about. But you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen each other in person since twenty since you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the pandemic. By the way, we're both vaccinated,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're both vaccinated. What was it like to be

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<v Speaker 1>on television at home trying to both parents be on

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<v Speaker 1>air telling us about what was going on? Why you're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out what was going on? I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that we've ever heard from like actual media people, anchors,

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<v Speaker 1>reporters about what it was, what it was like in

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<v Speaker 1>the height for you, it was like it was so surreal.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean on so many levels. First of all, the

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<v Speaker 1>first time they brought a camera into my house. I

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<v Speaker 1>have an apartment in New York City. You know, um,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a three bedroom apartment and we were in

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<v Speaker 1>you know, lockdown. I have a four and a two

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<v Speaker 1>year old child, and so we needed as much space

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<v Speaker 1>in my apartment as possible because we were going to

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<v Speaker 1>be stuck inside together for months on end. We didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even know how long. So I put a camera set

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<v Speaker 1>up in my bedroom. Wow, that's how it started. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So that wasn't great for my marriage literally, And if

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<v Speaker 1>you remember, at the same time, I was still on

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<v Speaker 1>that five AM show, So my alarm would go off

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<v Speaker 1>for like three three in the morning. I would roll

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<v Speaker 1>out of it. My poor husband was like asleep. He

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<v Speaker 1>would like put a pillow over his head and um,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would you know, he would like leave the

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<v Speaker 1>room at five, you know, at four fifty five he

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<v Speaker 1>would get up and leave before the show. He would like,

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<v Speaker 1>go bake me coffee and he was like and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>So that went on for three months like that. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, God bless him. Yeah. No, we we

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<v Speaker 1>got through it, and and then you know, we were

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<v Speaker 1>able to We ended up renting a house out in

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<v Speaker 1>Long Island just for a little while because we need

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<v Speaker 1>to like get away from it all. Yeah, we're able

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<v Speaker 1>to move on a camera thing there and figure it

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<v Speaker 1>all out, and it was out of the bedroom at

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<v Speaker 1>that point. But it was like it's been a very

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<v Speaker 1>intense and same period. I mean, like dealing with young

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<v Speaker 1>children through this whole thing. Yeah, and the uncertainty surrounding that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think the saving grace before of course the

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<v Speaker 1>delta variant and now possibly this new lambda thing obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>which terrible news that children were kind of escaping you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the worst of it, right, So that was like the

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<v Speaker 1>saving grace of all of it. And you know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>always been in the situation as a journalist because I've

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<v Speaker 1>reported overseas for quite some time as well, where people

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<v Speaker 1>were always wanting and you know, I was on the

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<v Speaker 1>steps of the capital. People always wonder like when you're

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<v Speaker 1>in the midst of it, do you see your own

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<v Speaker 1>kind of fate? Like do you understand the fear and

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of danger that you yourself are in? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think like the same can be applied to

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<v Speaker 1>the pandemic in which like when I was out in

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<v Speaker 1>the field, like reporting in front of hospitals or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we had like in front of a field

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<v Speaker 1>hospital or whatever it is that I've been doing, or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if I'm in the chair anchoring, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're always seeing it like as a job, right. The

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<v Speaker 1>difference is is that you're then kind of asking the

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<v Speaker 1>questions and trying to get the answers that you yourself need, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're understanding that the world also needs too, And

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<v Speaker 1>so suddenly it's very personal. So I'm not just like interviewing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, send her coons about Afghanistan as we watch

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<v Speaker 1>yet another city be taken over, and you understand like

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<v Speaker 1>all these people that sort of were allies of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>American troops and soldiers for so long are being literally

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<v Speaker 1>killed every day by the Taliban, and you're watching it

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<v Speaker 1>from Afar and asking questions on behalf of them. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>you're asking questions on behalf of yourself and you and

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<v Speaker 1>the safety of your own family. And they're while they're

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<v Speaker 1>too equally important distinctions, it's like so much more personal, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so Kvida Btel is on the air with me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm saying, to listen, how is this affecting children now?

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<v Speaker 1>How is the delta variant affecting Like? What do I

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<v Speaker 1>need to do as a parent parent? Yeah, And I

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<v Speaker 1>know that I'm speaking for every parent out there. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that I'm speaking for every parent when I say

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<v Speaker 1>what do I do? Do Do I send my kids back

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<v Speaker 1>to school? Do I put masks on them? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>What are the symptoms? What are we looking for? And

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<v Speaker 1>so I think all of it has been It has

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<v Speaker 1>stretched me as a journalist personally. It's made me better,

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<v Speaker 1>It's made me more present because the fact that I

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<v Speaker 1>understand kind of I mean, every our work is always important,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope, and I always understand how important it is

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<v Speaker 1>for us to ask the right questions and get the

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<v Speaker 1>right answers. But it is so much more personal and

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<v Speaker 1>is like, I mean, the number of lives that have

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<v Speaker 1>been lost during this pandemic, it is I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>unbelievable to think about every single day and the people

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<v Speaker 1>that continue to die, and how lives have completely chan,

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<v Speaker 1>families have completely changed, the makeup of families have completely changed.

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<v Speaker 1>We are in such a different time now, even than

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<v Speaker 1>we were like in twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen when

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<v Speaker 1>we were screaming from the rooftops as things were going

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<v Speaker 1>down and we were in the midst of the Russian

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<v Speaker 1>investigation and the It's like we were waiting for this

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<v Speaker 1>time to see Like I felt like we were hanging

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<v Speaker 1>on for hope right that we could that Trump was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be our biggest problem. I feel like in

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<v Speaker 1>in this country was you know, we can solve this

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<v Speaker 1>wheel vote, We'll get him out of office. And then

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<v Speaker 1>it seems to me, I feel like we were in

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<v Speaker 1>a worse position than we were a year ago, folks.

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