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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with

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Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording not so live from

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Speaker 1: our podstream studios in Times Square, Folks. As you know,

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Speaker 1: I am on vacation this week, but I have a

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Speaker 1: slew of shows that I am bringing to you, a

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Speaker 1: really excited to introduce for today's show our friend MSNBC

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Speaker 1: legal analysts Glenn Kushner, who is going to run us

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Speaker 1: through all of I would say the latest and greatest,

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Speaker 1: mayhem and misery of the legal fuckery that Trump and

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Speaker 1: his associates are in right now. He's going to break

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Speaker 1: down for us where things stand, whether or not we

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Speaker 1: FPP Daily, our friend Yasmin Vasuki, and you watch her.

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Speaker 1: You see her on MSNBC. She anchors on the weekends

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Speaker 1: and she is extraordinary, and we're going to talk to

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Speaker 1: her about media's responsibility in this moment, of the global

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Speaker 1: health pandemic, of the racial uprisings, and whether or not

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Speaker 1: you know we're doing the job that people need us

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Speaker 1: that you guys enjoy the conversation, send me comments and dms.

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Speaker 1: Even though I'm on vacation, you know that I can't

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Speaker 1: I hope that you enjoy this show. Coming up next, friends,

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Speaker 1: I am always so excited when we have the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to be joined by our friend MSNBC legal analyst and

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Speaker 1: the host of Justice Matters, Glenn Kirshner. Glenn, you wrote

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Speaker 1: a piece this week for MSNBC dot Com entitled DJ

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Speaker 1: Officials Thwarted Trump's coup. Next step a criminal investigation. Glenn,

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Speaker 1: We've been talking about this at nauseum for the better

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Speaker 1: part of a year, and what is interesting as we

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Speaker 1: continue to wait for the parade of indictments. Is that

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Speaker 1: the evidence that Donald Trump committed a conspiracy in order

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Speaker 1: Clark's letter, we have now testimony that happened from Jeffrey Rosen.

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Speaker 1: I just what are we what is it that we need?

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Speaker 1: What is it that you think that we need in

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Speaker 1: order to begin these proceedings? Like how much more bite

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Speaker 1: the evidentiary front. We have all we need and then some.

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Speaker 1: So you know the standard, the FBI standard for opening

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Speaker 1: so they can charge money to define those complex words.

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Speaker 1: Adequate predication and in the FBI manual, this is all

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Speaker 1: that means that there is some information or allegation, some

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Speaker 1: minimal evidence that conduct constituting a federal crime has been committed,

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Speaker 1: would maintain, Danielle, there's evidence beyond a reasonable bout that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump committed a conspiracy to defraud the United States

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Speaker 1: by unlawfully trying to overturn the election results, just as

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Speaker 1: my friends Barb McQuaid, Joyce Fans, and Lawrence Tribe argued

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Speaker 1: And this is in the Washington Post. And I want

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Speaker 1: what we have. We have the call with Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: with Brad Raffen Raffensberger, the Georgia Secretary of State, find

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Speaker 1: Rosen to say, just say the election was corrupt and

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Speaker 1: Then you have Trump's own public statements along with Drudy

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Speaker 1: And what they say in this piece is that none

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Speaker 1: is that not beyond How is that not criminal? Beyond

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Speaker 1: a reasonable doubt? I disagree with my learned colleagues. And

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Speaker 1: that's a lot of brain power, Joyce, Barb and Lawrence,

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Speaker 1: beyond a reasonable doubt that Donald Trump committed BOOKOO crimes.

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Speaker 1: BOOKO is a legal term, including as you just precisely

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Speaker 1: pointed out, there are Georgia's state election crimes that can

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Speaker 1: be proved by that recorded phone call where Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: Find them for me. I couldn't disagree more with anybody

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Speaker 1: reasonable doubt. Yes we do. We also have an in

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Speaker 1: Volume two of the Mullah Report for multiple counts of felony,

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Speaker 1: obstruction of justice. We have it everywhere. We are awash

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Speaker 1: because the public trust and confidence is waning every day

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Speaker 1: handle the rest. Is that not like a direct order

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Speaker 1: from a mob boss? Me and my body's got it.

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Speaker 1: I just need you to do this one thing for me. Yeah,

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