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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Alison Vlam Welcome back to Erased. In the

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Speaker 1: previous episode, the defense attorneys kept pursuing the theory that

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Speaker 1: Elma took her own life, painting a picture of Elma

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Speaker 1: as a tortured girl who abused Laudanum and got all

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Speaker 1: dressed up on December twenty second to throw herself into

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Speaker 1: a well. To tell the jury about Levi's night leading

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Speaker 1: up to the time of the murder, they called their

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Speaker 1: dear friend, Levi's brother Ezra, up to the witness stand.

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Speaker 2: Levi Weeks had a typical Sunday. He woke up at

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Speaker 2: the Rings house and went straight to Ezra's. He showed

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Speaker 2: up around ten am.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's right, yeah, yes, around then, yes, right after

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Speaker 3: breakfast time.

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Speaker 4: Me and my wife had just eaten. We were off

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Speaker 1: Ezra Weeks was this elite architect with a settled family

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Speaker 1: life at his home on Harrison Street. He kept horses

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Speaker 1: in the lumberyard. He built mansion on contracts during the day.

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Speaker 1: He lived comfortably, and that's the kind of life leeve

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Speaker 1: I would have wanted for himself to. He looked up

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Speaker 1: to his brother. At the trial, Ezra was nervous, though

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Speaker 1: he probably rehearsed his testimony one hundred times with his lawyers.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't a big public speaker. Ezra never could have

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Speaker 1: imagined testifying at a murder trial, let alone that his

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Speaker 1: younger brother would be facing capital punishment counting on him

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Speaker 1: and his testimony for freedom.

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Speaker 2: So you saw your brother in the morning, and then

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Speaker 2: several more times that day.

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Speaker 3: Right right when I got home from church, Levi was there.

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Speaker 3: He said he'd been over to the rings and then

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Speaker 3: returned to my house. By mid afternoon. We had tea. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 3: my wife made tea.

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Speaker 5: Did you have any guests for tea that night?

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Speaker 6: As one?

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Speaker 4: Yes? Yeah, John and Death came over at five point thirty.

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Speaker 7: Objection, who are John and Beth?

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Speaker 4: Sorry? Sorry?

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Speaker 6: Can you not startle our witness like that? Coldon?

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Speaker 7: Can your witness be more clear? Hamilton?

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, that's right, Just say John of Bett's full

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Speaker 5: names for the.

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Speaker 3: Jury, John McComb, my friend and his wife Beth macomb.

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Speaker 1: Now John McComb worked with Ezra Weeks building a house

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Speaker 1: uptown for Hamilton. He also worked on building the new

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Speaker 1: city Hall. And I mentioned the projects of all these wealthy,

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Speaker 1: at the time of this trial, and the trial was

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Speaker 1: literally building the new system, and everyone in power was

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Speaker 1: friends with each other, having tea at each other's homes,

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Speaker 1: making important decisions on night's like December twenty second, seventeen

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Speaker 1: that night. Ezra recounted it like this, and how was it.

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Speaker 5: The tea evening?

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Speaker 4: Yes, all right, good fun.

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Speaker 3: It felt like a normal tea time because we didn't

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Speaker 3: know Levi's lover was about to die.

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Speaker 8: Ezra Weeks, my friend, thank you as always for hosting.

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Speaker 4: We love having you here.

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Speaker 3: Johnny cheers, cheers, good friends and good tea.

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Speaker 8: And Levi, it's good to see you.

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Speaker 9: Kid.

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Speaker 8: Looks like you're following in Ezra's giant footsteps.

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Speaker 4: Trying, sir.

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Speaker 7: I can only hope to be half the architect.

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Speaker 8: My brother is good, stay focused, no distraction.

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Speaker 7: El's never mister McComb.

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Speaker 8: No girlfriends, all or any of that.

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Speaker 9: Oh, Levi, I heard you were seeing a girl at

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Speaker 7: I thought maybe you were in love.

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Speaker 4: Levi's in lust.

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Speaker 7: It's temporary, nothing too serious, mister missus McComb. I haven't

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Speaker 7: found my future wife. If that's what you're asking for now,

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Speaker 7: work is my wife.

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Speaker 3: That's right, And once you commit yourself fully to the work,

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Speaker 3: you can help us with the Alexander Hamilton project. What seriously,

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Speaker 3: John and I are still in the planning stages of

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Speaker 4: I'll bring you onto the project if you keep your focus.

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Speaker 7: Oh my god, of course that's incredible. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 7: Are you joining us for STU? Do you need help,

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Speaker 7: died Oh, I've got it. Not as heavy as it

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Speaker 7: looks you Relax, Levi.

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Speaker 8: Are you staying for dinner?

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Speaker 7: No, no, thank you. I'm actually on my way out.

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Speaker 7: You're going out in the cold. I've got plans. Oh,

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Speaker 7: take a sleigh then I'll give you blankets. Oh it's okay, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 7: I can walk. You'll be freezing. What time did LEVI

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Speaker 8: Seven fifty five, I'd say, And when did you and

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Speaker 10: How can you be so precise, mister macomb? These numbers

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Speaker 10: sound very specific, almost rehearsed.

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Speaker 5: Of course he's specific. He's an architect.

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Speaker 8: Also, Beth and I wanted to stop at a friend's

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Speaker 11: Cap.

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Speaker 8: So we checked the time before we left.

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Speaker 7: What was happening at Ezra Weeks's house when you left?

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Speaker 8: Nothing out of the ordinary. Missus Weeks was washing silverware

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Speaker 8: in the basin when Ezra walked us out. Ezra walked

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Speaker 8: you out, mister Macomb, Yes, he walked us out. When

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Speaker 8: are you going to mention that? What's the big deal?

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Speaker 8: He walked us out. Any good hosts would do that.

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Speaker 1: So John Maccomb's testimony left colden with more questions than answers.

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Speaker 1: If LEVI went out that night and then Ezra walked

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Speaker 1: his guests out, the Week's brothers had the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: do something terrible?

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Speaker 7: Can I call Asra's wife to the stand? Missus Weeks.

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Speaker 12: You can't call a witness in the middle of our argument.

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Speaker 7: Do you did the same thing to me?

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Speaker 2: Missus Weeks is not even here, guys, we have her

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Speaker 2: written testimony?

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Speaker 7: Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 6: Is it her breast?

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Speaker 4: Missus Weeks breast is okay?

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Speaker 5: Her breasts are good.

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Speaker 13: Yes, she just couldn't come to court today, So we

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Speaker 13: have her written statement.

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Speaker 12: I'll read it to you.

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Speaker 14: No, Aaron, the cleric will read it for us. Pass

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Speaker 14: it to him.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 15: On the twenty ninth of March eighteen hundred, Elizabeth Weeks stated,

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Speaker 15: under oak hang on.

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Speaker 11: Objection to what mister Colden.

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Speaker 7: I need an opportunity to question this witness.

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Speaker 2: Well, you can't because she's not here. This is the

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Speaker 2: only option if you want to hear from Ezra's wife.

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Speaker 7: This written testimony thing is ridiculous.

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Speaker 11: You're wasting time, cold and proceed, clerk.

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Speaker 15: Elizabeth Week's statement is as follows, Levi Weeks. My brother

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Speaker 15: in law socialized with us until eight pm and then

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Speaker 15: departed a half hour later. The McCombs left, My husband

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Speaker 15: walked them halfway to their destination.

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Speaker 7: Wait, I thought Ezra just walked the maccombs out.

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Speaker 12: Yes, he walked his guest out.

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Speaker 7: Like to the front door, the front porch, the yard,

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Speaker 7: the next street.

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Speaker 12: Who cares, mister cole Missus.

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Speaker 10: Week's testimony says he walked a distance with the McCombs

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Speaker 10: halfway to their next appointment.

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Speaker 8: Yes, because it was dark. He held up an extra

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Speaker 8: lantern so my wife wouldn't slip in the snow. We

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Speaker 8: parted ways as soon as the streets were lit. Well enough,

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Speaker 8: where's that exactly? Frederick Ryan Landers house. Once we got there,

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Speaker 8: I told Ezra we could handle the rest of the

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Speaker 8: walk on our own.

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Speaker 7: And then he was out in the world alone, unaccounted.

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Speaker 12: For, not unaccounted for, he went home.

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Speaker 7: Do we have evidence that Ezra went street home.

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Speaker 15: It just says at nine point fifteen, Levi returned to

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Speaker 15: from my husband.

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Speaker 13: So Levi and Ezra were both back at Ezra's by

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Speaker 13: nine to fifteen at the latest.

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Speaker 10: But during the exact three quarters of an hour that

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Speaker 10: Alma Sans was murdered between eight thirty and nine to

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Speaker 10: fifteen pm on December twenty second, seventeen ninety nine, Ezra

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Speaker 10: Weeks was unaccounted for, probably assisting his brother Levi in

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Speaker 10: a cold blooded murder. Objection, Ezra goes out at eight

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Speaker 10: twenty five, Alma is killed at eight forty. Ezra and

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Speaker 10: Levi returned to Ezra's house by nine to fifteen and

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Speaker 10: act like everything is normal.

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Speaker 11: Objection westerns cold.

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Speaker 10: And mister McCombe, is it possible that Ezra Weeks went

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Speaker 10: to the Manhattan well after leaving you at Rylander's Corner?

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Speaker 6: What a desperate, deplorable accusation.

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Speaker 7: Is it possible, sir, that Ezra Weeks was involved in

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Speaker 7: the murder of Sands. Is it possible, sir.

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Speaker 11: Mister McComb, We're standing by for your answer.

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Speaker 14: Is it possible that Ezra Weeks served as an accomplice?

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Speaker 11: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, yes, it's possible.

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Speaker 11: God with me.

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Speaker 7: Oh no, no no.

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Speaker 1: And to summarize, because this is all about the details.

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Speaker 1: The night of the murder, John and Beth Macomb were

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Speaker 1: at Ezra and Elizabeth Weeks's house. Levi left the house

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Speaker 1: about five minutes before eight pm, saying he had plans

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Speaker 1: weird for a cold Sunday night, but whatever. About twenty

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Speaker 1: to twenty five minutes later, John and Beth went to leave,

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Speaker 1: but Ezra insisted on walking them to the nearest adequately

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Speaker 1: out there. Ezra walked his friends to the corner outside

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Speaker 1: this guy, Frederick Reinlander's house, and then they parted ways.

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Speaker 1: Then Ezra was unaccounted for for the next forty five minutes.

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Speaker 1: If Ezra Weeks could have gotten to the well and

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Speaker 1: back in that forty five minute window, it's quite possible

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Speaker 1: that he was involved in the murder of Alma Sands.

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Speaker 1: The defense then calls Frederick Rhinlander, the guy with the

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Speaker 1: well lit corner house.

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Speaker 7: Good to see you, gentlemen. Oh, sorry to interrupt.

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Speaker 2: That's why, mister Ryelander. Let's get right into it. Do

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Speaker 2: you think Ezra and Levi Weeks are capable of murder?

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Speaker 5: Yes? Or no?

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Speaker 7: No, I don't, sir. I think they're both harmless.

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Speaker 15: I can't imagine either of the Week's brothers hurting a fly,

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Speaker 15: or a horse or a woman.

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Speaker 13: So you'd say there's absolutely no way the Weeks brothers

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Speaker 13: were involved in the murder of Alma Sands, right.

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Speaker 7: Leading the witness, He did not say that.

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Speaker 10: Well, I've got proof, proof of what, mister Rhinlander, proof

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Speaker 10: that the Week's brothers could not have killed miss Elma Sands.

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Speaker 11: Okay, present your evidence.

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Speaker 7: What evidence?

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Speaker 15: Ezra asked me to take measurements as a favor to

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Speaker 15: his brother to help their case.

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Speaker 1: Bridewell Jail, where Levi was held after he was arrested.

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Speaker 1: To paint a quick picture of this dump on Chambers Street.

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Speaker 1: It had like damp stone walls and dirt floors, and

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Speaker 1: there were rats everywhere. Imagine Levi in rags and chains.

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Speaker 1: Haggard from his time there. Hamilton brought Frederick Rhinlander to

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Speaker 1: see Levi before the trial to keep perfecting his alibi.

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Speaker 16: Bye bye, wake yours, you got visitors, Levi.

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Speaker 5: Mister Rhinlander has information to share.

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Speaker 2: Go away, Alexander, get up, mister Rhyinlander, and I are

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Speaker 2: talking to you.

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Speaker 7: I don't feel like talking right now.

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Speaker 5: Then just listen.

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Speaker 7: I'll be quick, Levi. I promise you.

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Speaker 5: Can sit down, mister Rymander.

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Speaker 7: Now you can't, my cell my roles. You guys can't

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Speaker 7: sit down. That's fine, that's fine. I'm good to stay, LEVI.

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Speaker 15: I walked back and forth from Greenwich Street to the

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Speaker 6: Good for you.

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Speaker 7: Your brother asked me to do it.

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Speaker 17: Ezra asked you to walk from the boarding house to

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Speaker 2: Ezra asked mister Rhinlander to take measurements as a favor

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Speaker 2: to you.

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Speaker 15: I'll testify at your trial, and my measurements will exonerate you.

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Speaker 2: When we call mister Rhinlander to the stand next week,

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Speaker 2: your name will be cleared for good.

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Speaker 6: LEVI.

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Speaker 7: Wait, you're testifying, Rylander. You didn't even know Elman.

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Speaker 15: The walk from the Rings boarding house to the Manhattan

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Speaker 15: Well is seventy nine chains long. Took me an average

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Speaker 15: of twenty five minutes each time one way.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, you're a slow walker because you're not from New York.

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Speaker 17: She only take fifteen minutes twenty max.

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Speaker 7: Don't say that at the trial. Leave the measurements to.

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Speaker 5: Me, Levi.

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Speaker 2: You were seen by several witnesses at the Rings at

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Speaker 2: eight oh five, I know, and Elizabeth Weeks saw you

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Speaker 2: at Ezra's by nine to fifteen.

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Speaker 7: I know.

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Speaker 17: Well, we don't need to practice this every day. I

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Speaker 2: You couldn't have walked from the Rings to the Well

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Speaker 2: to Ezra's between eight o five and nine fifteen in

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Speaker 15: My measurements, that would take someone over an hour without

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Speaker 17: But with the horse and sleigh, it would only take

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Speaker 7: No one in their right mind would take a sleigh

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Speaker 7: on the list bannards in the snow. That's a death wish.

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Speaker 7: The jury won't ask about horses.

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Speaker 1: So they were confident in these measurements. When they went

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Speaker 1: possibility of Levi taking a horse to the murder site

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Speaker 1: that night because of how dangerous the list bannards were

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Speaker 1: in the snow. So the defense thought Old Frederick Reinlander

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Speaker 1: and his infinite measuring expertise would alibi Levi out once

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Speaker 1: and for all.

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Speaker 15: And so I determined neither Levi nor Ezra could have

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Speaker 7: Boom, Both innocent. But mister rhinelanders, all your measurements are

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Speaker 7: taken on foot.

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Speaker 10: So if Ezra took his slay to meet Levi at

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Speaker 10: the well, or if Levi took the slay to meet

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Speaker 10: Elma in the first place, none of your data is valid.

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Speaker 15: No I told you, mister Colton, nobody could manage a

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Speaker 15: sleigh on the list of nards in the snow.

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Speaker 10: But someone did. Because we heard earlier that sleigh tracks

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Speaker 10: were found at the well.

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Speaker 15: Well, sleigh tracks are irrelevant to my measurements.

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Speaker 13: Just ignore Coldon's badgering, mister Rhyinlander, keep going.

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Speaker 10: Mister Burr, your witness just said there couldn't have been

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Speaker 10: a sleigh at the murder site, but there were sleigh

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Speaker 10: tracks at the murder site.

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Speaker 7: Okay, mister Ryelander.

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Speaker 10: A new line of questioning, Ezra Weeks walked John and

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Speaker 10: Beth MacComb to the corner in front of your house.

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Speaker 7: Of the night Alma was murdered.

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Speaker 15: Yes, exactly, because they could see perfectly by my house.

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Speaker 15: My yard is the brightest in the area. I get

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Speaker 15: the light coming in off the water, so.

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Speaker 10: It's bright enough that the Macombs tell Ezra we can

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Speaker 10: manage to commute from here good night. Yes, So the

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Speaker 10: Macombs leave, and let's say Ezra goes from your house

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Speaker 10: straight to the Manhattan Well.

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Speaker 12: Ezra had no motive nor reason to do that.

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Speaker 10: I said, let's say, how long would it take Ezra

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Speaker 10: Weeks to get to the well from your house?

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Speaker 7: I didn't measure that, so I don't know. Can you

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Speaker 7: take a guess?

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 7: I can't.

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Speaker 18: Sorry, I thought you were an expert measurer. I'm not

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Speaker 18: an expert guesser, mister Colton. Okay, we'll try this another way.

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Speaker 18: Ezra Weeks built the Manhattan Well for mister Burgh's company.

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Speaker 7: Right, Yes, Ezra is an esteem to build.

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Speaker 10: So Ezra really knows where the murder site is because

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Speaker 10: he built it with his own two hands. So even

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Speaker 10: if it's rough ground, it's dark, it's cold, snow whatever.

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Speaker 7: Ezra Weeks knows exactly where the well is.

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Speaker 5: This questions you're getting silly.

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Speaker 10: I'm just asking mister Rhinelander for a simple guess. How

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Speaker 10: long would it have taken Ezra Week's builder of the

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Speaker 10: murder site to get there from your corner on December

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Speaker 10: twenty second, seventeen ninety nine.

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Speaker 7: A few minutes, A few minutes.

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Speaker 10: Ezra could get to the well just in time for

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Speaker 10: Elma screams of murders.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, to the dismay of Burr and Hamilton, it

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Speaker 1: became clear that logistically, both Levi and Ezra could have

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Speaker 1: pulled off the murder at the Manhattan Well. If Levi

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Speaker 1: borrowed Ezra's horse and sleigh, which left Ezra's lumberyard for

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Speaker 1: an hour around eight pm, he could have easily covered

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Speaker 1: all this territory. Meanwhile, Ezra walked John and Beth out

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Speaker 1: into the night, and then where did he go? Once

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Speaker 1: this all emerged, Hamilton and Burr had to go into

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Speaker 1: damage control mode. They called the local grocer to the stand.

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Speaker 13: The defense calls David Forrest, neighbor to the boarding house

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Speaker 13: in honor of Forrest's bakery on Williams.

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Speaker 1: Street, grocers truly have their finger on the pulse of

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Speaker 1: the community.

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Speaker 7: They always have, mister Forrest.

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Speaker 12: People call you the ears of the community.

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Speaker 6: Why is that?

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Speaker 16: Because I hear everything while I'm working. Lots of people

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Speaker 16: come through my bakery every day wanting to chat. I

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Speaker 16: don't even read the because I get such a daily

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Speaker 16: earful from my customers.

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Speaker 13: And has anyone in your shop spoken negatively about Levi Weeks?

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Speaker 16: No, sir, everyone loves Levi.

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Speaker 6: Great.

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Speaker 2: What was the gossip like when Elma first disappeared, everyone

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Speaker 2: assumed Alma committed suicide?

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Speaker 7: Right, objection. We are way past this theory.

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Speaker 16: People were saying, you know, Elma Sands wouldn't be the

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Speaker 16: first lonely woman in New York to end her own life.

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Speaker 12: Great, thank you, mister Forrest.

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Speaker 16: Mister Forest, Yes, mister Colton.

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Speaker 10: Are you sure you've never heard anything negative about Levi Weeks?

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Speaker 5: He answered that already.

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Speaker 10: Well, what about Levi's relationship with Alma? Anything about that?

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Speaker 16: It's hard to say.

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Speaker 7: What's hard to say, sir?

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Speaker 8: They were bold.

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Speaker 16: Kids having casual sex and a Quaker.

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Speaker 7: House, but neither of them were Quakers.

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Speaker 16: That's true, that's true, and it is all just gossip.

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Speaker 2: It's true gossip. Though Alma SAMs was uncomfortable insecure.

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Speaker 10: Everybody sounds uncomfortable and insecure when everyone's gossiping about their

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Speaker 10: sex life. You know about that, mister Hamilton, watch it

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Speaker 10: co mister Forrest. Most New Yorkers feel strongly that Levi

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Speaker 10: Weeks is guilty, right.

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Speaker 6: How should he know about most New Yorkers?

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Speaker 16: You just called him the ears of the community simply

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Speaker 16: because I hear all the rumors, many of which are

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Speaker 16: generated by Richard Croucher, the gossip machine himself.

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Speaker 1: Remember this guy, Ah, God.

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Speaker 6: Craucher, pervert, I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 1: Humus would often burst in on Elma and Levi in

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Speaker 1: the back room on the second floor.

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Speaker 7: Were you watching her?

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Speaker 6: Done? Flattyselves?

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Speaker 1: Richard Croucher hated Levi and he loved Elma, but he

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Speaker 1: was too old and weird to get close with her.

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Speaker 1: Once Elma's body was displayed for everyone to see, Croucher

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Speaker 1: took to the streets to start stirring the pot. He

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Speaker 1: demanded Levi be hanged at the gallows for Alma's murder. So,

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Speaker 1: of course, the defense team used this to argue that

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Speaker 1: Croucher ignited negative public perception of Levi and set their

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Speaker 1: client up at an unfair disadvantage before the trial even started.

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Speaker 16: If he had it his way, this whole city would

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Speaker 16: hate Levi Weeks.

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Speaker 2: How do you mean, mister Forest, He means Croucher stirs

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Speaker 2: the pot and starts rumors.

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Speaker 16: Last week, Croucher came into my shop completely manic, ranting

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Speaker 16: to my customers awful things about Levi Weeks.

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Speaker 13: So Croucher has worked to poison public opinion against my client.

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Speaker 6: The truth is not a poison. Maybe wakes.

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Speaker 13: She's a minute, mister Croucher, Sit down, cuts your honor.

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Speaker 12: Croucher shouldn't even be in here for this.

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Speaker 11: Mister Croucher, sit down or you'll be removed.

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Speaker 4: What he knows Levi is a guilty man.

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Speaker 13: Before Levi Weeks received a fair trial, he was convicted

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Speaker 13: in the court of public opinion.

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Speaker 12: That's not American.

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Speaker 10: I think that's very American. Everyone has a say, and

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Speaker 10: everyone knows your client's guilty.

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Speaker 6: Richard Croucher had motive. He envied Lee Vy.

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Speaker 2: Levia is young, handsome, successful, Croucher is old, ugly raucus,

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Speaker 2: and Croucher envied Levi's relationship with Elma.

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Speaker 16: Right, everybody did Elma was beautiful.

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Speaker 2: And Richard Croucher loved her, but Elma loved Levi a

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Speaker 2: love triangle, and Croucher, crushed by the jealousy, killed Alma.

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Speaker 6: So neither man could have.

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Speaker 10: What mister Forrest, you were not suggesting Croucher could have

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Speaker 10: killed Alma Sands?

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Speaker 7: Are you?

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Speaker 16: I think any man could kill any woman should he

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Speaker 16: want to see her dead. I personally can't imagine killing anybody,

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Speaker 16: not even my wife.

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Speaker 12: Mister Forrest, Actually, let's speak to your wife.

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Speaker 1: The defense called Loraina Forrest up to the stand safe

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Speaker 1: to say Lorena was not a fan of Richard Croucher,

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Speaker 1: but she knew him pretty well. Lorena and David Forrest

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Speaker 1: lived around the Core her from the Rings boarding house,

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Speaker 1: where Croucher had lived for several years.

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Speaker 12: Missus Forrest a good afternoon, mister burr Well, Lorena tell

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Speaker 12: us about Richard Croucher.

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Speaker 9: He loves to talk.

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Speaker 10: About Alma Sam Again irrelevant in the case against Levi.

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Speaker 13: Weeks Again disagree with coldon Croucher's behavior towards our client,

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Speaker 13: who he framed is very relevant.

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Speaker 10: Richard Croucher is not a reasonable suspect, and my colleagues

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Speaker 10: know it.

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Speaker 13: S This is a house of justice, mister Colden. Isn't

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Speaker 13: everyone is suspect until proven innocent?

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Speaker 7: Shouldn't it be the other way around?

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Speaker 12: Missus Forrest? What has Croucher said about Alma?

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Speaker 9: Oh, Croucher loved her. Alma's so smart, innocent, generous.

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Speaker 7: Sounds right.

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Speaker 13: What I'm hearing is Croucher was weirdly obsessed with Elma.

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Speaker 7: Elma was my frame most I was not upset.

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Speaker 13: And the fast track to a fresh start was to

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Speaker 13: kill her and frame Levi. If anyone walks out of

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Speaker 13: this room and shackles today, it should be the true

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Speaker 13: murderer of Richard Croucher.

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Speaker 14: Eat, You're not another word from back there, Croucher.

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Speaker 2: But Croucher was always trying to see Alma naked. You

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Speaker 2: tried to assert yourself into Elma and Levi's relationship.

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Speaker 7: You are crazy, mister Hamilton, you're grasping it strong.

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Speaker 6: Rower had a motive, and he had Elma's trust.

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Speaker 7: I almost trusted a lot of bad men. She trusted everybody.

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Speaker 14: Counselors reapproached this stand with a new line of questioning

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Speaker 14: for this witness or dismiss her.

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Speaker 11: You're acting like children.

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Speaker 12: We're good to dismiss her. Sorry about that, Thank you,

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Speaker 12: missus Forrest.

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Speaker 9: Can I step down?

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Speaker 7: No, no, not yet, Missus Forest, I need to cross examine.

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Speaker 5: You real quick.

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Speaker 9: Oh that's right. I like your shoes, mister Colton.

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Speaker 7: Oh well, thank you so much.

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Speaker 10: I like your bonnet of course. Now, Missus Forest, do

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Speaker 10: you think Croucher had feelings for Alma?

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Speaker 9: Oh? He liked her a lot. I don't know about feelings.

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Speaker 10: But when Levi moved into the house last July, he

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Speaker 10: came between Croucher and Elma. Croucher had to adjust to

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Speaker 10: Levi's intrusive presence, and that's not easy.

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Speaker 7: Oh.

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Speaker 9: Plus, I'm sure it wasn't easy for Croucher to make

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Speaker 9: new friends.

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Speaker 7: And why is that? Well, he's a bit of a

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Speaker 7: creem crave. You wish. How old is Richard Croucher Mmm?

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Speaker 9: Probably fifty, sir, more.

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Speaker 7: Than a decade older than the average board at the Ringshouse.

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Speaker 5: Objection relevant.

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Speaker 10: Croucher lives amongst all the young single people. He is

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Speaker 10: a social pariah. But Alma was nice to him.

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Speaker 9: Alma was nice to everyone. She made everyone feel seen

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Speaker 9: and dignified. I mean, that's why ugly old Croucher liked

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Speaker 9: her so much.

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Speaker 7: So you don't think Croucher could have possibly killed Elma.

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Speaker 9: Oh, I don't know who killed her, mister Colton. But

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Speaker 9: on the day her body was discovered, I saw Richard Croucher,

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Speaker 9: sob like.

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Speaker 10: Baby, take us there. It's January two. Yes, Alma's body

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Speaker 10: is found in the well.

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Speaker 9: Yes, And mister Croucher came to my house that evening.

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Speaker 9: He asked if I'd heard the news about Alma, and

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Speaker 9: then he started weeping right there on my sofa.

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Speaker 13: Which is precisely what a guilty person would do to

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Speaker 13: maintain a pretense of innocence.

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Speaker 7: I was nowhere near.

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Speaker 6: To this Spinocha on the night of the murder.

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Speaker 7: It was at a party. That's right. Croucher has an alibi.

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Speaker 7: So can we move on?

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Speaker 12: But Richard Craucher looks like the murderer. Look at that face, Look.

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Speaker 13: At him, everybody, he was obsessed with the victim.

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Speaker 5: Stop there.

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Speaker 13: And yet Levi Weeks is still on troal for this

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Speaker 13: Croucher killed Alma.

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Speaker 12: That's it.

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Speaker 10: Your desperate attempt to create reasonable doubt by going after

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Speaker 10: Richard Croucher is simply embarrassing.

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Speaker 13: Your embarrassing coldon give up on this verse. Crapture is

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Speaker 13: a very scary man.

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Speaker 7: For almost surrounded by scary men, you have nothing.

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Speaker 12: Richard Croucher is the murderer.

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Speaker 7: Oh so you do believe Alma was murdered.

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Speaker 1: And at the eleventh hour, all eyes in the courtroom

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Speaker 1: were suddenly on Richard Croucher. It was the second day

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Speaker 1: of the trial that extended past midnight, and everyone thought

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Speaker 1: it was coming to a close. Instead, the defense lawyers

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Speaker 1: introduced a whole new theory that creepy Richard Croucher murdered

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Speaker 1: Elma himself and framed their client. Coldon had to scramble.

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Speaker 7: The prosecution recalls Richard Croucher.

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Speaker 11: Go, mister Croucher, come up here.

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Speaker 6: I'm coming one second. Get out of the bad woman.

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Speaker 19: Thank you, mister Colden, for this chance to speak from ourself.

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Speaker 10: Mister Croucher, where were you the night of December twenty second,

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Speaker 10: seventeen ninety nine.

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Speaker 19: I was at a little get together at my friend's house,

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Speaker 19: eight hundred and ninety nine Bowery Line.

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Speaker 6: It started at seven. I was right on tod.

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Speaker 7: What's your friend's name?

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Speaker 19: And ashmore, she's over there in the green bonnet, you see,

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00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 19: and darling anyway to us. She's lovely The party ended

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Speaker 19: at ten thirty, which is when I walked back.

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Speaker 13: To the Rings after miss Rings curfew, disrespecting the rules.

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Speaker 19: I'm a lodger, not a border, which means they don't

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00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 19: give me breakfast, and I don't mind a curfew.

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Speaker 10: So Richard Croucher was at a party on the Bowery

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Speaker 10: from seven pm to ten thirty that night. Alma's screams

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Speaker 10: were heard at eight forty. Thus we should start treating

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Speaker 10: this man like a suspect and return to the prosecution

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Speaker 10: of Levi weeks.

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Speaker 19: Not my fault that Elma sawt of prisoner is some

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Speaker 19: sort of Adonis. She was infatuated by him once they

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Speaker 19: got together.

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Speaker 6: Levi would never let Elma talk.

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Speaker 7: To me hold on. He wouldn't let her.

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Speaker 19: Levi was cruel and controlling. In the final months of

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Speaker 19: Elbe's life. She barely spoke to me at the hall.

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Speaker 19: I started to miss it even before she was gone.

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Speaker 6: Good evening. Oh God, I'm sorry. Did I start with you?

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Speaker 7: Well sorry, I've just been like really jumpy.

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00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:24,959
Speaker 6: Well it's too dark. You need a can? Please please

537
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 6: take mine? What the hell is going on out here?

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Speaker 7: Nothing, Levi. I just got a little startled. Richard scared you,

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Speaker 7: not on purpose.

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Speaker 6: What's wrong with you, America.

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Speaker 19: I'm just walking up the stairs to my bedroom, Laitha,

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00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 19: nothing's wrong.

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Speaker 7: Well, you should be more careful. It was an accident.

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Speaker 7: Get to bed, Alma, your tea is getting cold.

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Speaker 14: Am I.

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Speaker 7: Richard good.

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Speaker 6: Speke trainers.

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Speaker 7: I swear to God, Croucher, stay out of the way.

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Speaker 19: You're new here, Leth just because she've got the attention

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Speaker 19: of a beautiful girl.

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Speaker 7: Don't talk about Alma like that. Stay away from her

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00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 7: and me.

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00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 6: It's a small house, Levi. We must share and share

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00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 6: a like.

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00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 7: You discuss me, Croucher. If I ever see your down.

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00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 6: Scare me in the slightest Levi, You're just a kid.

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00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 19: So Levi was like a dog, protective and territorial around Elma.

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00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 19: He denied others access to her, kept her contained before

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00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 19: he killed her. And Elma was so loyal and loving

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00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 19: she would have done anything for.

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00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 10: Him, even a loope so they could keep seeing each other.

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00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 10: But when Levi couldn't get his brother's blessing, he won

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00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 10: her out of the picture.

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00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 6: Yes, so E murdered to get him out of the way.

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00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 7: I knew it, Yes, exact horror. Levi Wicks is guilty.

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Speaker 4: You run a haunstable remove him?

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00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 6: That evil creek killed?

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Speaker 15: How have you fought a neck for what he done?

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Speaker 5: Stay off?

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Speaker 1: Richard Croucher would find himself back in the courtroom later

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00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: that year at his own trial, with Colden prosecuting him. Right,

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00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: Croucher raped a thirteen year old in the Rings boarding house.

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00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: He was found guilty, then pardoned, then later executed in

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Speaker 1: England for something else terrible. One of Croucher's victims testified

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Speaker 1: that he had taunted her with an awful story about

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Speaker 1: a young girl he knew who died in a well. Next,

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Speaker 1: the jury reaches a verdict. Will Colden's case hold up

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00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: under the weight of the system, Will Levi I die

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Speaker 1: for this? Or can Hamilton and Burr's strategies save him.

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Speaker 1: Our story comes to its conclusion in our next episode,

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Speaker 1: Stay with Us Erased. The Murder of Elma Says is

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Speaker 1: written and produced by me Alison Flamm. It stars Alison

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Speaker 1: Williams as Katherine Ring, Tony Goldwyn as Alexander Hamilton, Barry

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