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Speaker 1: On your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI. He is

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. We are live from Saint Vincent College here

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Speaker 2: in beautiful Latrobe. The Steelers on the practice field here

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Speaker 2: in front of us at Chuck Noll Field, and the

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Speaker 2: rain is holding off here. It looks like it's going

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Speaker 2: to at least or now it looks like he's going

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Speaker 2: to miss us here. It looks like everything's off. Everything

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Speaker 2: is that. The dark clouds are all off to our

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Speaker 2: good point. I believe that's the east, so it looks

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Speaker 2: like the snuck bias there. Or they may be north

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Speaker 2: of us. I don't know. I can't figure out which direction,

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Speaker 2: but it may have gone north of us here. Either way,

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Speaker 2: there is not raining here.

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Speaker 3: They don't seem too concerned.

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Speaker 2: Yeah they are not. I get a little scared today.

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Speaker 2: I was over talking to some guys outside the locker

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Speaker 2: room earlier today and all of a sudden, some school

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Speaker 2: buses started pulling up. They were driving through, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: uh oh, because usually in the school oh right, they

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Speaker 2: load him up. That means they're going somewhere else. But

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Speaker 2: that was not the case. They just drove through. They

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Speaker 2: were here for something else. The Steelers are. They believe

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Speaker 2: they have a window here to practice and uh, well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well they're halfway through it already, so they're getting

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Speaker 3: it in.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Just did seven shots. Just did Uh. I don't pay

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Speaker 3: as much attention, nor does anyone to the special team stuff.

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Speaker 3: But they did punt from like basically their goal line. Yes,

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Speaker 3: that's that's a hairy situation there. I mean, like you

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Speaker 3: want to get it off and all that, but there's

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Speaker 3: no doubt the first one would have got blocked for

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Speaker 3: a safety. I mean, like, but how much blocking are

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Speaker 3: you really allowed to do? How much rush are you

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Speaker 3: allowed to do? That's a sticky situation. It was like

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Speaker 3: on a one inch line.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. In fact, I actually talked to uh to Nick

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Speaker 2: Herbig today kind of about that same thing. Okay, you

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Speaker 2: know he obviously he was one of the standouts of

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Speaker 2: practice yesterday, and yeah he was. I said, you know,

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Speaker 2: how much can you he was at how much you can?

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Speaker 2: You know? Can he get out of these practices? There's

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Speaker 2: no pads on he says, well, I mean, you look,

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Speaker 2: we're working on technical stuff here. He said, when the

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Speaker 2: pads come on next week, it gets a little tougher

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Speaker 2: because now you're a bigger target.

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Speaker 3: No good point, yeah, he said.

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Speaker 2: So you know the people who are said, well, you

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Speaker 2: know he's beating Dan Moore. He's doing this like he's

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Speaker 2: a I mean, he's a smaller target right now, he's

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Speaker 2: a smaller, faster target coming off the.

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Speaker 3: Edge to go away and putting it.

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Speaker 2: Now you put the pads on him, and all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden, now Moore has a little bit more to

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Speaker 2: work with in terms of.

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Speaker 3: That, no question. And even from the opposite perspective, like

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Speaker 3: pass rushers or upfield players are often very very often

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Speaker 3: attack that your opponent's edges, you know, attack their their shoulders.

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Speaker 2: You don't, you don't try to go down the middle

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Speaker 2: of a guy. I mean, sure you're not bull rushing

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Speaker 2: anybody when you don't have pads.

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Speaker 3: On, right, But all of a sudden, those edges become

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Speaker 3: a little wider when Dan Moore has his pads on,

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Speaker 3: and you know what I mean, like there's a it's

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Speaker 3: a bigger blocking sled, so to speak. So I think

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Speaker 3: we stressed this yesterday with her big I mean, there's

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Speaker 3: been a lot of talk, a lot of media people

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Speaker 3: talking about, boy, what a great practice, and it was.

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Speaker 3: But what I got away from it was his his

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Speaker 3: get off because that get off isn't changing, and he

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Speaker 3: comes off low, he comes off explosive. He's fluid, changing directions.

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Speaker 3: He has used his hands. Well. You mentioned when we

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Speaker 3: were on the way to lunch, he had the.

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Speaker 2: Uh little duck under movie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the little you know duck under move that TJ

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Speaker 3: does so well. And hey, I mean that's still gonna

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Speaker 3: hold up. It's still gonna be the same move motion.

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Speaker 3: But maybe Dan Moore would have planted him into the ground.

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Speaker 3: That's not happening here, you know. Yeah, now he did say.

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Speaker 3: I asked him about that.

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Speaker 2: I said, you know, I saw that duck under move yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I said, did you learn that from TJ Watt? He was,

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Speaker 2: I learned it watching film of TJ. Wat Okay, he said, then,

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Speaker 2: you know, then I asked TJ some you know, different

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Speaker 2: technical things about it. He's he's trying that out look

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Speaker 3: People don't think pass rush moves are technical. They take

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Speaker 3: so many reps to get that right, to get your

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Speaker 3: body control where you can have bent knees a button

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Speaker 3: nice and not lose your power and acceleration and all

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Speaker 3: that to get these hands in the right place against

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Speaker 3: premiere left tackles. That takes a lot of work. So

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he's refining that. But it was a good start.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, you know, I always like

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Speaker 2: to get that had a little spin move in basketball, right,

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Speaker 2: you know, you give the you cross over and then

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Speaker 2: you spin off the off the body of the defender.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, practice that, oh, I mean, you don't just do it.

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Speaker 2: You don't just do it because you got to get

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Speaker 2: that footwork right and then you gotta get You gotta

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Speaker 2: feel the defender's body and you use his momentum, his

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Speaker 2: momentum in your momentum against him. It's the same thing

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Speaker 2: on a pass rushman, on spin spin move on a

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Speaker 2: pass rush, you set that guy up and you get

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Speaker 2: him going one way and then you spin off of

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Speaker 2: him the other way. Again, that's a it's a very

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Speaker 2: technical thing to do.

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Speaker 3: And I can't speak to basketball, but I'm sure there's

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Speaker 3: some similarities. Like you said that you have to marry

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Speaker 3: your feet in hands, you know, so at the contact point,

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Speaker 3: if I only have one foot in the ground, and

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Speaker 3: you know, Joe Thomas, Anthony Munos gives me a shot.

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Speaker 3: I'm not holding up, you know, like you gotta have

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Speaker 3: feet in hand, married at the right point of contact

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Speaker 3: and when to accelerate and all those things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when he hits that punch, you want to have

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Speaker 2: your best base.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to absorb it and without hopefully losing

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Speaker 3: too much. So all that stuff takes technique and timing

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Speaker 3: and all those type of things. It's not just run

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Speaker 3: real faster on the edge.

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Speaker 2: No, it is not. Earlier today, Matt the Steelers announced

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Speaker 2: their twenty twenty three Hall of Honor class that includes

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Speaker 2: James Harrison, Ray Mansfield, Jerry Moon Mullins, and Aaron Smith.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Smith is here today with his family. Ten Super Bowls.

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Speaker 2: No wow with that group.

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Speaker 3: Wow, okay for just to pull back the curtain just

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Speaker 3: right before they did seven Shots, which was the period

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Speaker 3: before this. Mike Tomlin introduced Aaron Smith. He said he

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Speaker 3: was here very enthusiastically. I thought it was a you know,

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Speaker 3: and of course the fans went crazy. Smith's a fan favorite.

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Speaker 3: You've interacted with him a lot over the years. James

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Speaker 3: Harrison's a recent one as well. I'm sure most don't

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Speaker 3: remember Mansfield, nor do I but he sort of set

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Speaker 3: the standard for started the center of.

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Speaker 2: The first two Super Bowl wins. Right, people think it

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Speaker 2: was Mike Webster, it was Ray Mansfield, and.

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Speaker 3: They actually rotated for a while, which it was never

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Speaker 3: heard of too, just because this Webby guy was too

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Speaker 3: hard to keep off the field. But Mansfield's a pro bowler,

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Speaker 3: like imagine that and Moon you know he still lives locally,

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Speaker 3: a staple of that line in the seventies, right right, right,

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Speaker 3: that's good class, really good class.

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Speaker 2: That is a really good class. And a funny story

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Speaker 2: about Aaron Smith. I've called him over the years to

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Speaker 2: do different stuff, and so I have his phone a

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Speaker 2: cell number. So I'm in my car and I'm driving,

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Speaker 2: and i have a friend named Darren Smith, and I'll say,

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Speaker 2: and if I say called Darren Smith, my phone for

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Speaker 2: whatever reason, doesn't call Darren Smith. It calls Aaron Smith.

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Speaker 2: So I've basically, I basically accidentally dialed in the last

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Speaker 2: I don't know, eight months Aaron Smith like five times.

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Speaker 3: And he's probably like I thought, I shook that reporter

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Speaker 3: a decade ago, and he's still bugging me.

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Speaker 2: My car then says calling Aaron Smith. No, no, no, sorry, sorry,

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Speaker 2: So I haven't seen Aaron here myself yet personally, but

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Speaker 3: Down the sidelines. But yeah, you remember to clear that up. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, obviously I.

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Speaker 2: Was gonna text him about it, but he hasn't said

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Speaker 2: anything about it. He hasn't complained to me about it.

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Speaker 2: He stopped calling me or something.

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Speaker 3: If he sees you first, he might Hey, damn, I

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Speaker 3: got a bone to pick with you.

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Speaker 2: Man. He bugged me all the time, so I would

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Speaker 2: have to explain that to him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, now you might have called him again.

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Speaker 2: I've figured it out though now that if I just

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Speaker 2: say called Darren, okay, not Smith, it just calls Darren

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of a Steeler named Darren. You

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Speaker 3: might be calling that good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 3: We're breaking up into ones versus ones, yep, absolutely practice.

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Speaker 3: Getting back to non special team stuff.

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Speaker 2: Deontay Johnson is back out there today after missing yesterday

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Speaker 2: or after leaving early yesterday, as is Connor Hayward. I

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Speaker 2: haven't seen de Marvin le Awl yet, but I assume

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Speaker 2: he is out there as well today.

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Speaker 3: Pick it little fumbles, nap a little bit, he picks

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Speaker 3: it up crosser, hasn't missed, has missed a beat.

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Speaker 2: They're working third downs here again. That was third and

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Speaker 2: four and they.

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Speaker 3: Picked that up and they moved it to third and five,

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Speaker 3: third and five and speaking Hayward didn't look like he

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Speaker 3: missed a beat either. No, he he caught a nice

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Speaker 3: touch on pass right and yeah, it was it was

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Speaker 3: absolutely He was on.

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Speaker 2: The he was flanked on the left, came across the

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Speaker 2: formation in motion and then just took off for the

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Speaker 2: for the pylon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and just speed from that, you know, trying to

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Speaker 3: get a flat footed defender to keep up with someone

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Speaker 3: that's already got ahead of steam.

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Speaker 2: That's usually one that you see they use either. It's

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Speaker 2: typically a wide receiver. Pat.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing about him though, is he can do

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Speaker 3: all those things. You could even hand it to him

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Speaker 3: in that situation, right, you know. And then Big Brothers

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Speaker 3: swatted one down. I'm pretty sure it was Cam squatted

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Speaker 3: one down in seven shots as well.

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Speaker 2: That one broken up there by Patrick Peterson. I think

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Speaker 2: that would have been a sack by Alex Heismith. I

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Speaker 2: think he got open on that one.

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Speaker 3: It's a nice rush by high Smith. Yeah, as he'd expect.

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Speaker 2: He looks good.

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Speaker 3: No, he looks really good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I'm sure you got a little a little bit

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Speaker 3: extra energy too. You know, everyone knows the eyes are

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Speaker 3: on him more than usual.

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Speaker 2: He was talking about that when he signed signed the contract.

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Speaker 2: He had a little press conference earlier this week and

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Speaker 2: he said he he missed some time last year in

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Speaker 2: training camp and he really hate because he's a guy

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Speaker 2: that likes to be out there working. Yeah, just didn't

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Speaker 2: These guys, the pass rushers have an extreme advantage here

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Speaker 3: Yes they do, except they can't hit the quarterback. They

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Speaker 3: it was the ones. I don't hear the wet ball

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Speaker 2: Let's see if we get the two's out there now,

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Speaker 3: now defense are hiding it. They're just saying, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: But it's interesting though, because that was it was Chapel

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Speaker 2: we go, another good pass six man pass rush there. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: The fans cheered, but that that's a defensive win, especially

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm convinced. That's my take out of the

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Speaker 3: I hate to admit it, but I'd love to say

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Speaker 2: I'm going out there.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm eating those words. Yeah, thankfully thrown behind Gunner.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that was sloppy pre snap stuff too.

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Speaker 3: Herbert is a better college football player, a better program

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Speaker 3: that was more productive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing against Sutton Smith, but right Herbig played at

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Speaker 3: I mean sometimes, and hey, I'm guilty as this is anyone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was actually some nice blitz pick up there

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. I miss it too.

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Speaker 2: I don't know who.

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Speaker 3: It was good enough to look like it would have

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Speaker 2: That was Darius Higgins.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how you make names yourself, right. Anyone can

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Speaker 3: Now he's motioning them. Now he's moving into the agetting,

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Speaker 2: Nice game. He's still shifting through the trash.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, that's a tough cover man.

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Speaker 2: Now McFarlane motions from right into the a lot of

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Speaker 3: There goes McFarlane.

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Speaker 2: He's fast.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna at least put my eyes his direction and

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Speaker 3: Rudolph had a nice looking there right right back to

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Speaker 2: Which I bet is how it was drawn up. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: See that linebacker, if you can sell them on McFarland,

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Speaker 2: And it's exactly what they did. Yeah, very nice, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: very nice. I'm seeing more plays like that this year

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Keen Butler.

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Speaker 3: You no, especially after getting ahead of steam with his

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Speaker 3: Who else is that terms? Sixty four isn't listed on

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Speaker 2: Sixty four is Jared Williams. Okay, he's a first year

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Speaker 3: The thing about being a third team offensive lineman is

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Speaker 3: But the four guys you're playing with, you've played with

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Speaker 2: Yeah that one Quincy wrote, Shay did a little stunt

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Speaker 2: On the practice one right right, we're back to ones

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Speaker 3: Like we're doing first and ten coming out on the

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Speaker 3: Because I have a noticed Mika is not dressing again

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Speaker 3: He's showing up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, he's I like him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's showing up a lot. He's just showing blitz, going.

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Speaker 2: A little blitz here. Now backing out of it, is

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Speaker 2: No one.

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Speaker 3: He has to get it out. But I mean, again,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, you go where the

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Speaker 3: the motion. That jet motion.

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Speaker 2: Again, Austin screaming across the formation one way and then

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Speaker 2: going back across the other.

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Speaker 3: That's tough on that edge defender, just because what if

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Speaker 3: they handed to him?

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Speaker 2: How can I get.

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Speaker 3: Outside him and force them, you know, so you might

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Speaker 3: not crash down on the inside run quite as hard.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna watch one more here before we take a

448
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Speaker 2: as weak a break. We get double receivers down here

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Speaker 2: to the bottom fake handoff and then roll to the

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Speaker 2: left and it opens up Darnell Washington for a nice

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Speaker 2: easy pick up there.

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Speaker 3: Although TJ would have blown that apart. It looked like

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Speaker 3: the blocking scheme was to have chokes almost pull to

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Speaker 3: Watt's outside shoulder and then have the back help. Well,

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Speaker 3: TJS having nothing.

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Speaker 2: People do that. Yeah, we're gonna take a break.

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Speaker 3: None of that.

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Speaker 2: He is Matt Williams and I am Dale Lollie. We

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Speaker 2: are live from Steelers Training Camp practice here at training

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Speaker 2: camp practice number four today. There's a four to three.

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Speaker 2: This is three from Saint Vincent College. We're gonna take

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Speaker 2: a break. We are live on Steelers Nation Radio and

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Speaker 2: ESPN nine seventy. We'll be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: You were listening to the official Voice Old Nation SNR

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio or seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm Dale ALII is Matt Williamson, and we

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Speaker 2: are live from Steelers Training camp here on the beautiful

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Speaker 2: campus of Saint Fncent College. It looks like it's just

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Speaker 2: the rain is real light here right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a little harder there for a while,

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Speaker 3: but it's the kind of great sky. But I think

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Speaker 3: we'll get around it.

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Speaker 2: The defense is just kicking some.

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Speaker 3: Butty yeah, not even the ones now too. It's just everybody.

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Speaker 3: They're flying around right across the.

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Speaker 2: Board here again, I I I want to stress now

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Speaker 2: it's coming down, rain's coming down.

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Speaker 3: Now, it's hard to pack up.

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Speaker 2: Again. I want to stress the people that in these

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Speaker 2: kind of situations, the defense has a huge advantage because

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Speaker 2: they're more athletic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point, right, just running around without

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Speaker 3: the physicality, I will say, though, not a real clean

485
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Speaker 3: practice though. By the offense. There's you know, there's snaps,

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Speaker 3: there's a up here and there. I mean some of

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Speaker 3: the passes were fine, not great.

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Speaker 2: We'll see.

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Speaker 3: I mean some days defense wins, some days they don't.

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Speaker 3: But I think this defensive front is pretty formidable, nasty. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it is really is deep and deep, that's what I mean,

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Speaker 3: right right, So there, I see there'll be plenty of

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Speaker 3: days or upfront to the defensive line across the board wins.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's training pretty good. You know. That's

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Speaker 2: the one thing you know when you look at a

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Speaker 2: training camp, right when it's when it's Steelers against Steelers

497
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Speaker 2: or whatever team it may be right. If somebody does

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Speaker 2: something good, that means not necessarily that the other unit

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Speaker 2: did something bad, but they didn't win.

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Speaker 3: That rep man win that rup right, right. I mean

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Speaker 3: same as in any game against whoever, you know, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean there's stalemates, of course, but yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: there's you can look at it. It's a whole glass,

504
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Speaker 3: half empty, half full thing, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: especially when they're both your team that you're rooting for.

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Speaker 2: Right, So interesting to see here and now we're breaking

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Speaker 2: off into another special teams session here and Danny Smith's

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Speaker 2: got the.

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Speaker 3: And it's pouring now.

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Speaker 2: It looks like we're doing at a little more punting

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Speaker 2: line of guys up for punting. Here is this field.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to figure out what they're doing down here

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Speaker 3: by the goal line too. They're doing this little funky dance.

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Speaker 3: I can't quite figure out this.

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Speaker 2: Looks like it's going to be jammy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're just doing lateral quickness. Yeah, okay, because they're

517
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Speaker 3: going two you know how they double a gunner. It

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Speaker 3: looks like that those two would be the doublers, yea

519
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Speaker 3: Burking and Unison, so they don't running into each other.

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Speaker 3: Never thought about that from that perspective, because they're holding

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Speaker 3: a towel to keep the proper distance between them, so

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Speaker 3: they want to be about a man between them distance.

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Speaker 3: Let's keep this tow which is I don't know, two feet,

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Speaker 3: two and a half feet something like that between us,

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Speaker 3: so we move as one.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, I mean a lot of little new nuances

527
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Speaker 2: like that that you work on in these type of situations.

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Speaker 3: Some of these drills people come up with, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure maybe this drill has been around in special

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Speaker 3: teams for thirty years, or maybe Danny dreamed it up

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Speaker 3: one night when you know, he's on vacation. Who knows.

532
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Speaker 3: But I always wonder where some of these come from.

533
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Speaker 3: But it's pretty easy to figure out why they do

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Speaker 3: it once you think about it. It's really boring.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, as long as there's you know, not lightning.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it can't be made periods left. Mike Tomin's

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Speaker 3: going to keep him out there. Oh, I don't think

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Speaker 3: he's even thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: Plan was for this to be done by three point thirty. Uh.

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Speaker 2: They so they were a little behind schedule right now.

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Speaker 2: If they've got a special team session now, that means

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Speaker 2: they basically have two more sessions. They usually don't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they usually don't end on a special team session, right, right,

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Speaker 3: So seven and a half minutes left in this period

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Speaker 3: and probably two more periods I would think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean they took a little break to do the

548
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Speaker 3: Aaron Smith thing. They they were over on the field

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Speaker 3: turf fields to begin practice travel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Here, there's some logistics to it all. Yeah, it is coming,

552
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Speaker 3: but it's rating harder and harder.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am quite happy that we're on until six

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Speaker 2: o'clock today.

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Speaker 3: I'm also happy we're not in the tent. With all

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Speaker 3: respect to some of those that used to come visit

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Speaker 3: us on the tent, think that we were like their

558
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Speaker 3: shelter from the storm while we were on the air.

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Speaker 3: It's much better being in the press box watching everyone

560
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Speaker 3: get wet.

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Speaker 2: I will say this. We had some fans of the

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Speaker 2: show over here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was awesome.

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Speaker 2: We were walking back from lunch and some people were

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Speaker 2: yelling out to us and saying hello, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: more than happy to say alone. We appreciate everybody who listens.

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Speaker 3: All in Aldell. I've noticed this year of the drive

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Speaker 3: from Latrobe more of that than ever. Yeah, I guess

569
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Speaker 3: people like it. Thanks Yeah, we appreciate that. Yeah, I

570
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Speaker 3: appreciate you listening and tell your friends.

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Speaker 2: Because we have it.

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Speaker 3: I thinking about us.

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Speaker 2: So we have it rough.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have to walk all the way over to dinner.

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Speaker 3: I mean, hopefully it called, you know, cools down.

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Speaker 2: For six o'clock. I hope that that's all. Man.

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Speaker 3: That's we got a tough gig here. Every other one

578
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Speaker 3: steel a nation's just getting swamped right down.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely coming down harsh. But yeah, it's still it doesn't

580
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Speaker 2: seem to be any move here to to end.

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Speaker 3: It's actually slowing down a little bit now, it is.

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Speaker 2: It is. So they watched the radar very closely.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing how on top of it they are. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean some of the devices they use it and

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't know exactly what they use. Maybe

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Speaker 3: I should do a story on that something. Why what's

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Speaker 3: that thing they do this with they twirl around? I

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Speaker 3: think that's for lightning.

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Speaker 2: There are lightning sensors all across campus and you'll hear

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Speaker 2: so if there's lightning in the area here at Saint

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Speaker 2: Vincent College, it's set up so that it automatically sets

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Speaker 2: off an alarm and you'll hear a recorded message saying attention,

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Speaker 2: there's lightning in the area.

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Speaker 3: And that's even during the school I mean that it's

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Speaker 3: on a steeler thing that's just a wide open space

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Speaker 3: on top.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Things come quicker around here right now. I forgot about that.

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Speaker 2: And you know, for some you know, if you're walking

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Speaker 2: across campus. It's a small campus in terms of college campuses,

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Speaker 2: but there are some pretty you know distancy walks here.

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Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely the wrong time or right, hey, I better

603
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Speaker 3: duck in.

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Speaker 2: I mean I remember last year for Friday night Lights,

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Speaker 2: when you know, we were set up to go and

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden it's just unloaded and that was

607
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Speaker 2: like armageddon. Yeah, stuck on the buses. And if you

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Speaker 2: remember Craig Wolfley trying to walk across over here by

609
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Speaker 2: the baseball field and there was a skunk out. He

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Speaker 2: didn't see it. We're yelling, we're talking about the the

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Speaker 2: awning over there trying to stay dry, and we're yelling,

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Speaker 2: wolf Wolf, there's a skunk. There's a skunk. He didn't

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Speaker 2: see it until like all of a sudden you saw

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Speaker 2: him kind of stop like ten yards from the from

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Speaker 2: the skunk, and like oh, and then he and the

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Speaker 2: skunk started doing like a little dance, like the skunk

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Speaker 2: would walk away from him for about five yards and

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Speaker 2: Wolf will go five yards forward. Then the skunk would

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Speaker 2: turn around and come back, and.

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Speaker 3: Wolf at the back back like he was blocking Randy White.

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Speaker 3: And then of course there's always the lightning problem.

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Speaker 2: And then God bless me as much as we were

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Speaker 2: laughing at Wolf, he went up, got his car, drove

624
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Speaker 2: around and picked us all up and drove us down

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Speaker 2: to the Fred Roger.

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Speaker 3: He's a saint.

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Speaker 2: There's gonna be a statue out here of Wolf some days. Wolf.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but still special teams going on. We got another

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Speaker 3: four minutes. It looks like for that they're just doing

630
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Speaker 3: some basic stuff here on special teams.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit more about this Hall of

632
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Speaker 2: Honor class. Yeah, yeah, more basically, Now, the entire offensive

633
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: line from the seventies.

634
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, is in the Hall of Fame, including now Mansfield who, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: including Mansfield, who's sort of the predecessor, you know, the

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Speaker 3: first good one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's kind of Andy Russell. You know, a few

638
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 2: holdovers from Chuck Nole's first season when they brought them

639
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:20,239
Speaker 2: all in.

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Speaker 3: So there's that famous story where Chuck Nole takes over

641
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 3: the team and basically says, you guys are terrible and

642
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 3: it's mostly all your fault and we're gonna get rid

643
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Speaker 3: of all you. I mean, I'm summarizing you. But I

644
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 3: think Russell good. But a lot of you guys are

645
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,479
Speaker 3: gonna be here because you're not good enough to do

646
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 3: it right. But it's sure seems like Mansfield and Russell

647
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 3: were two that was like, well, maybe we'll build around

648
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 3: these guys as opposed to shuffling them out and giving

649
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 3: it to given the reps the draft picks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know he's one of the ones. In

651
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Speaker 2: speaking of Wolfly, his his brother is married to Ray

652
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Speaker 2: Mansfield's daughter.

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Speaker 3: Oh really, I didn't know that.

654
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Speaker 2: Okay. Interesting, So when they brought Maverick Wolfly in here

655
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Speaker 2: for training camp, Maverick Wolfly was Ray Mansfield's grandson.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, I didn't know that connection. Okay, there we go.

657
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Speaker 3: But but think Mansfield Webby DERMONTI penalty. I mean that's

658
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Speaker 3: kind of canny.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, if you look at the Hall

660
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: of Fame monitor on Pro Football Reference, Webster and Dermanti

661
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: Dawson there are two of the top four centers in

662
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 2: NFL history right.

663
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: Not only they competing for best Steelers center of all time,

664
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: but they might be the best center of all time.

665
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know where Mansfield ranks on that.

666
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna look it up here real quick while we

667
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: talk about this. But I mean this thing, people, the

668
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame voters actually pay attention to this thing.

669
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Speaker 3: Oh, I know, you bring it up a lot, and

670
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 3: it's a really good reference.

671
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: It was brought up, you know several times. I'm just

672
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: looking here, where's Ray Mansfield at Now? I don't know

673
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: that he's going to be super high. No, I wouldn't

674
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: think he would because you know, you didn't didn't have

675
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 2: a lot of the it.

676
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: Was on bad football teams. Well that's part of it, yeah,

677
00:28:54,840 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: which sure didn't help. But he's I mean, I remember learning.

678
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 2: About of thirty two point eight, which is just ahead

679
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: of Dominic Royola. Okay players, yeah, good football players, but

680
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: eleven eleven years as a starter, uh two championships. The

681
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: thing about that offensive line from the seventies, outside of Webster,

682
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: a lot of those guys weren't making Pro Bowls and

683
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: things of that nature.

684
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 3: For whatever, they were the most unherald unit of the

685
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 3: whole group. To be honest with you, Yeah, clearly, Webb

686
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: you got the accolades. I mean, but then the guards

687
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 3: and tackles were really really good players. It wasn't a

688
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 3: team that really had weaknesses. But that was the spot

689
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 3: that just didn't get the credit. I assumed they just

690
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 3: sort of got overshadowed by the big names, you know,

691
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 3: I mean the personalities, the Lambert's Frank ran the heck out.

692
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 2: Of the football, I'd say, right, I mean that that

693
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,959
Speaker 2: unit made that that team go. And you know, if

694
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: they don't have those guys, it's just not gonna it's

695
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: not gonna work. I'm looking here to see where moo mullins.

696
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 3: And I know times are different, but they were such

697
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 3: a heavy trapping offense to you know, where you'd you'd

698
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 3: let They weren't a classic no right right right offensive line,

699
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 3: right I mean? And what I mean by that is

700
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: if you did it in today's world, you'd let Chris

701
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 3: Jones or Aaron Donald just come free, right, and then

702
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 3: you plaster them with like a pulling guard like that's

703
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 3: dangerous stuff. You know, it's often their best defensive tackle

704
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 3: that they let come free down the middle. And that's

705
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 3: a lot of repping and a lot of coaching, and

706
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: you know that was part of the reason they were great.

707
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: Mullins on the Hall of Fame Monitor has a score

708
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: of a thirty point five to five. That's the same

709
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: as Conrad Dobler. Really okay, so you know that's that's

710
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: good company, really good company, right right right, you know,

711
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: so again two very good football players that you know,

712
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: they're just not they're not going to be honored in

713
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame.

714
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 3: No, no, But but that's what the Hall of Honors for. Yeah,

715
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 3: that's that is what the Hall of Honor really important.

716
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 3: Steeler history too, oh, without a doubt, all the snaps

717
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 3: they put in, you know, before the Steelers were good,

718
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 3: while the Steelers were getting good, and then when they

719
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 3: were great.

720
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: Just looking up Aaron Smith here, Aaron Smith.

721
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 3: Is kind of he's almost like an offensive lineman where

722
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 3: the statsus aren't condumed justice.

723
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: Right. It's a three to four defensive end when they

724
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: when they asked the defensive ends in their three four

725
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: defense to tie guys up so the outside linebackers could

726
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: make it. His Hall of Fame Monitor score, though, is

727
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: forty point nine to five. That's just ahead of Dexter.

728
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: Manly really okay, I mean he was a flashy edge

729
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: pass rusher of the Mohawk.

730
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: You know, it's just behind Elvis Dumerville.

731
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I mean they're high quality edge rushers. You know,

732
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: they're different style defensive ends.

733
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

734
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 3: So, I mean if you could think about this, folks,

735
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 3: I mean, in their three four this is real general,

736
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: but if you could have Aaron Smith often on the

737
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 3: inside shoulder of a tackle, Hampton straight up on a

738
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 3: center and Keesol also lined up on the inside shoulder

739
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: and a tackle, right, yeah, exactly, and it often those

740
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 3: three would eat every offensive line block. Yeah, so think

741
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 3: about quarterbacks not blocking anybody. Those five linemen are occupied

742
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: by three dudes. That lead you what, five human beings

743
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 3: on offense against eight. I mean, just real simple math.

744
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 3: If those guys do their job and demand that the

745
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 3: Kendro Bells and all those folks.

746
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: Were real appreciative. Absolutely, and you know so Aaron Smith,

747
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: I mean you look at the numbers, forty four career

748
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: sacks pales in comparison to some of those other guys,

749
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: right right, But Bill Belichick called him the best three

750
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: to four defensive end in the league. Yeah, right, right right,

751
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: that was when he had Richard.

752
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 3: Seymour was getting that kind of recognition too, right, right,

753
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: interesting because that was kind of the Patriots get more

754
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 3: credit because they won more games at that stage. But

755
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 3: Hampton and will for Smith and Seymour, you know, like

756
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 3: they were both they were kind of reading Paula Malou

757
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: in a way for their positions. But it's people didn't

758
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 3: know it as well. You know, you're not on Sports

759
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 3: Center and you know, and in.

760
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: The final guy James Harrison, the Steelers doing getting ready

761
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: to do some seven on nine work here. They're called

762
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 2: seven on seven. That means the offense and the defensive

763
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: linemen are out of there again. When they get together

764
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 2: next Tuesday, that's when the one on ones will be

765
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: going on. Betwe in the offensive and defensive lines. Those

766
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 2: much more meaningful. That's fun to watch.

767
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like senior ble one on ones and that

768
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: kind of stuff, right backs on backers, even corners on

769
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,239
Speaker 3: receivers and press man. Things like that. You'll see more

770
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 3: of too.

771
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna take another break. He is Matt Williamson.

772
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: I am Dale, Lolly. The rain has stopped falling here

773
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: at Saint Vincent College and the Steelers taking part in

774
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: a practice session number three here on the fields. A

775
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: nice crowd on hand here and a lot of people

776
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: braving the rain storm here to a lot of umbrellas,

777
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: a lot of umbrellas out. I'm sure people came prepared.

778
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: I see some ponchos and things of that nature as well.

779
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 3: I bet it's done. They probably knew it's coming down

780
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 3: hard during special teams and move on.

781
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. But we're gonna take a break

782
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: here on ESPN nine seventy and Steelers Nation Radio. We'll

783
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: be back with more of the Drive right after this.

784
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: At least.

785
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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

786
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

787
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: Gold in Steelers Nation Radio.

788
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome back. I am Dale Lolly, he is Matt Williamson.

789
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: And well the rain is kind of it's good, like

790
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 2: just yeah right, it's still a mist Yeah. Now, it's

791
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: kind of missing down sideways kind of here win not

792
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: super hard, yeah, but it does make throwing the football

793
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: a little more difficult.

794
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good for him.

795
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to play in these kind of certain

796
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 2: situations during the season. But the Steelers practicing here in

797
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: front of us still wrapping up practice session number three.

798
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening

799
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 2: to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN

800
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: nine seventy.

801
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 3: And there's two and a half minutes in this period.

802
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll get another.

803
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: There should be one more after this, and then they'll

804
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: be done. The Steelers will be wrapping up their third

805
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: day of heat acclamation. The heat not nearly as big

806
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: of an issue as it was yesterday when we saw.

807
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 3: But weather it was a factor.

808
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: Weather was a factor. We did see three guys yesterday

809
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 2: leave practice early with heat related issue. That was Deontay

810
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 2: Johnson to Marvin le Allen, Connor Hayward. All three back

811
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 2: today and uh, well we'll see, uh you know again

812
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: it looks like a MIKEA. Fitzpatrick not practicing again to yeah,

813
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: I see what's over that. No news on that one

814
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 2: at this point, nothing to report there. Uh, but another

815
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: good a good practice for the defense here today. Yeah,

816
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 2: this defensive front, it's.

817
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 3: Gonna be nasty. It's gonna be nasty.

818
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

819
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 3: They were just doing uh, third and sevens. Now they're

820
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: doing first and ten's in this period. And again this

821
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 3: is nine on sevens. Yeah, but one thing I really

822
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 3: noticed with Pickett and also now Trubisky holding the ball

823
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 3: really long time, which means the guys are covered. But right,

824
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 3: you know that that's not gonna cut it. I mean

825
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 3: I was sitting here with the stopwatching that.

826
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: Was award with a nice uh getting getting free there

827
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: against uh who do we have there on defense?

828
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

829
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: I couldn't quite tell on that one either, But that's

830
00:35:58,880 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 3: a nice Hayward play man.

831
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: Is that Kwaikowski? Okay?

832
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 3: So I would think Nick's gonna have a tough time

833
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 3: keeping up with Connor any kind of one on one situation.

834
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: Heyward's a difficult guy to cover. He is slippery, shows

835
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: up every practice.

836
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 3: And then one way or another, always with a positive play.

837
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 3: That was a big one. That's probably a twenty five

838
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 3: yard game or something like that.

839
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: There were people when the Steelers drafted him two years.

840
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 3: Ago if his last name was Williams and they were

841
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 3: they just.

842
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 2: Did that as a favorite of Cam. No, No, they

843
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: did not miss a football player. And he can play.

844
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 3: I always say it's kind of like drafting picket from

845
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: next door.

846
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: A nice play there's Butler take the ball. He just

847
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 2: kind of pulled the ball right off the helmet of

848
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: Luke bark who who's a big cornerback six one one

849
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: ninety be picked. Yeah.

850
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: I mean he was a perfect position to go grab

851
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 3: it was.

852
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 2: In position, and Butler just went up and said, no,

853
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: that's my ball.

854
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and here comes Pickings that all fired up to

855
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 3: tell it. Talk to his buddy. Yeah, that's just going

856
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 3: and being big and rebounding over a little guy. And

857
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: then took it in the end zone.

858
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: Triviissy comes out, he threw the as he comes down

859
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: and gives him a little hey, nice job.

860
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's big. I forget what we're talking about. Something

861
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 3: really smart.

862
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: The defense, the defensive front. Yeah, we're talking about Hayward.

863
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 2: Oh Hayward.

864
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean again I use the reference of

865
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 3: taking picket out of Pitt. Isn't all scouting is is

866
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: gathering information. If you know more about Connor Hayward than

867
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: the other thirty one teams, you're either gonna take them

868
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: because you like them, or you take or you won't

869
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 3: because you don't. You know what I mean, Like any

870
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: edge you can get, you know, right, you share a

871
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 3: building with the Pitt Panthers and their quarterbacks, A big

872
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 3: time prospect. It would be you know, unconsolable if you

873
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 3: didn't know everything about that guy, you know, and if

874
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 3: you you don't take it because each morning, Yeah, you

875
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 3: don't take them just because you know them. You take

876
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 3: them because you know more about them, and that lessens

877
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 3: the bust potential on those guys. Yeah, you know herbig's

878
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 3: another one. I mean you got your brother.

879
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and some of that is you know, good fortune

880
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: as well. I mean there's all yeah, Yeah, there are

881
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: guys that they like. That's a nice throw actually, or

882
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: by Mason Rudolph. He dumps it off out to the

883
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 2: flat for Jalen Warren, but put it in a spot

884
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 2: where Warren could get his shoulders turned yeah and catch

885
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: it going up field. Yeah, but he didn't have to

886
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: wait and stop for it, right, Yeah, hit him throw

887
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: it behind him, so he had to, you know, stop

888
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: his feet and then get his momentum. He threw the

889
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: ball so to get his momentum was leading him down

890
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: the field.

891
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 3: Which is maybe only a foot difference, you know, but

892
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 3: that could be the difference of getting blasted out of

893
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 3: bounds or maybe get a hand on the football as

894
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: opposed to I pick up twenty extra yards on the

895
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 3: sideline before him. They can get there.

896
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so that's a nice shot by Mason

897
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: Rudolph on that throw getting to Jaylen Warren.

898
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 3: There more and more Connor Hayward motion again holding the

899
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: ball at along for my liking. But even that one

900
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 3: just you know, it wasn't a tremendous player or anything,

901
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: but you had Washington in line, Hayward off the ball

902
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 3: on the opposite side. Then he motions to Washington's hip,

903
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 3: you know, as an off the you know, off the

904
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: line tight end. They're just such different tight ends. You know,

905
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 3: Washington always hand ins are right next to Hayward who's

906
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 3: a step behind him to his right off the ball.

907
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 3: They're tremendously different athletes, if you know what I mean. Coordinator,

908
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 3: how are you how are you attacking that?

909
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: When the Steelers do that, Like, I don't right Heyward

910
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: on the field as opposed to one of the other

911
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: tight ends on the field.

912
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 3: See, that's what I was thinking is I don't know

913
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 3: the defensive rules well enough to really comment on it,

914
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 3: but if they treat those two the same, where strong safety, linebacker,

915
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 3: linebacker linebacker just kind of bumps out, well, one of

916
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 3: them has a much different assignment than the other.

917
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. And then it's on the.

918
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 3: Quarterback to boy, they got that little safety on Washington

919
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna throw a hot, nice eigeh ball to him,

920
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 3: or they got that heavy linebacker on on Hayward. He's

921
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 3: gonna juke him out of his shoes, you know.

922
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's definitely a big advantage for the Steels. Okay,

923
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: we got them ten minute period.

924
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 3: You're starting with the first one first.

925
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 2: And ten Here with the ones against ones, we get

926
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 2: a little motion here by Alan Robinson from left to right.

927
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: It gives us trips on this side. Pick it looking

928
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: on the back side of the play, and Cam Hollward

929
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: just swats it down.

930
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 3: I think that's his second of the day. I'm pretty

931
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 3: sure the one in uh seven shots was Cam too.

932
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: Now that JJ Watt has retired.

933
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 3: He's the best in business at Yeah.

934
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he gets his hands up in the

935
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: passing like you know, Tyson Alulu was pretty good at

936
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: that as well. So yeah, I know they practice it.

937
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 3: I don't know how you practice it, but it is.

938
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: He hets his hands up in the passing lane. Sometimes

939
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 2: he picks them off Yeah, that's a difference there. Cam

940
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: I think only has one career pick whereas TJ. Uh.

941
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously those guys stress it. And I used

942
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 3: to reference this thinking once TJ showed up Cam and

943
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 3: those guys got better at it. Was JJ like giving

944
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 3: them a tip or two through I don't know through TJ.

945
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 3: You know, a little handoff because there's obviously a skill

946
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 3: to it.

947
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: I just good either on your hand. What's that The

948
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: quarterback's throwing the ball from about three yards away from you.

949
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: Now he may be throwing the ball twenty yards down

950
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 2: the field. He's putting some zip on it, and you're

951
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 2: putting your hand up there and you're getting the point

952
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 2: of the ball.

953
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 3: Usually oh yeah, you hand it has to hurt, yes,

954
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 3: I would think, like blocking a kick has to hurt.

955
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: But crazy. Yeah, but you're thrilled about it. Yeah, Maybe

956
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 2: you just don't feel it in the moment, right.

957
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 3: It's like a goalie making huge save. It doesn't feel good.

958
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 3: That ball's heavy, man.

959
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we're lining up here again. We get

960
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: the nausea Harris to pick its right in the backfield.

961
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: He comes out and that's a nice throw, real nice.

962
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: Would have been a sack.

963
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 3: Real nice wrapped there by Montrevis Adams. Yeah, got off

964
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 3: the ball. They were in their base three four and

965
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 3: just whipped the center pretty quick.

966
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but hits Pickens over the middle again using the

967
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 2: middle of the field. That was like a little so

968
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: skinny post maybe.

969
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 3: Or a little in again in the middle of the field.

970
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty yards down the field and Pickens catches it

971
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: in stride and get some yack. That's one thing he

972
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 2: said yesterday that he wants to really improve on this

973
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 2: year is getting more yards after the catch.

974
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 3: I can see that, and I think some of its

975
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 3: usage too. I mean, if you're bringing a lot of

976
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 3: comebacks and goes after the catch is tough or a

977
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 3: play like that, you're gonna have more space to work with.

978
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. All right, breaking the huddle here again and still

979
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 2: pick it in the backfield. He's got Jaylem Warren beside

980
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: him now and it's a tight formation. But he goes

981
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: from right to left and cut lines up inside in

982
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 2: a bunch and the handoff goes to Warren And Okay, they.

983
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: Did a lot with Gunner where they motioned him across

984
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 3: the trips to like a bunch and then he comes

985
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: across almost as a lead blocker, as kind of a

986
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 3: decoy slash whoever you whoever is available type kind of guy. Yeah,

987
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 3: because yeah, he throws the body in there, kind of

988
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: like a hines Ward type of move.

989
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: All right, we got the two's now on the field here.

990
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 2: Their second team offensive line is not bad. Yeah, there's

991
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: so what's a what's that second team O line look like?

992
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 2: Left to right? H Robert Jones a left tackle. You

993
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 2: got Kevin Dotson at left guard.

994
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 3: He is a Green at center. I can't tell yet.

995
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 2: I see her big is out there. Yeah, Green's at center.

996
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 2: You got her Big at right.

997
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 3: Guard, and Clark's at right tackle.

998
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 2: That mud start some games for some team.

999
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 3: Titans would really like to have that five right now.

1000
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 3: I'm not saying they'd all start for the Titans, but

1001
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 3: if they had those five players, they'd be a lot

1002
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 3: better shape than they are now.

1003
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 2: And that one you saw Hayward go in motion across

1004
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: the formation and the handoff came and Warren followed Hayward

1005
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: around the end there.

1006
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not always misdirection. Sometimes they use those guys

1007
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 3: as lead blockers, Gunner or Hayward in particular.

1008
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: Hayward be really valuable in that just exactly let him

1009
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: want to go find somebody on the move.

1010
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 3: There's so many things he does well.

1011
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely just gives you he's a chess piece.

1012
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: He's a chess piece.

1013
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 2: He's like the queen on the chessboard.

1014
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1015
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: I mean you could just flat out hand them the

1016
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: ball and get you out of the game if you

1017
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 3: had to too. No, he's very valuable.

1018
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll watch one more play here before we got

1019
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: to break. Here at the top of the hour, we

1020
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: get the the corners are James Pierre and we have

1021
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: Corey Trice here in the bottom. So Herbert herbag has

1022
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: split out. Yeah, and against that bunch on the right

1023
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: side here and you're looking on the backside now looking

1024
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 2: back in the front, and it opened up there for Trubisky.

1025
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: I don't think that would have been a sack. That

1026
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: would have been a big gain for Mitch Trubisky on

1027
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 2: a scramble that things just opened up for in there.

1028
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: Golden had pressure though, he might have been able to

1029
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 3: trip him up before because he won his rep. But

1030
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 3: then Trubisky's not easy.

1031
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 2: Agat on the ground. Like he stepped up our pocket. Yeah,

1032
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 2: he felt it coming and stepped up in the pocket

1033
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: and things where there was nobody in the middle of

1034
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 2: the field, right, and then yeah, speaking as he's parted,

1035
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 2: it looks like the rain has stopped here, the clouds

1036
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: have kind of parted. But we're gonna take a break here,

1037
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: has Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lollie. You're listening to

1038
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 2: the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine

1039
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: to seventy. We'll be back with our live coverage from

1040
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 2: Steelers training camp practice here at Saint Vincent College right

1041
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 2: after this. Let's go play some ball.

1042
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,200
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