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Speaker 3: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Pink Proven Grounds Podcast. I'm Shane Bacon.

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Speaker 1: That is Marty Jertsen and Marty. I'm happy to announce

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Speaker 1: that our first repeat guest on the podcast is not

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Speaker 1: Victor Hovlin, It's not Tony Fenow.

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Speaker 4: It's a man more famous and more popular.

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Speaker 1: Kenton Oates is our first repeat guest on the Proving

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Speaker 1: Grounds Podcast.

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Speaker 4: What a moment?

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Speaker 3: Kay, Oh, this is gonna be fun and we're gonna

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Speaker 3: be talking about stuff today to help you get out

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Speaker 3: of trouble out there in some trends we're seeing on

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Speaker 3: and Ko has been a huge part of that and

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Speaker 3: that's why we got him on today.

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Speaker 4: Kenton, what is life like right now?

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Speaker 1: Not being on the road, because I know you spend

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Speaker 1: so much your year on the road. What's your what's

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Speaker 1: it been like? How long have you been home? What's

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Speaker 5: I've actually been on the road a little more than

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Speaker 5: some people might think. The truck just made a stop

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Speaker 5: So I have had some weeks off, but I obviously

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Speaker 5: even while the you know, the guys are you know,

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Speaker 2: We didn't cargo that thing over there yet. So no,

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Speaker 1: That would be next level. Kitten's on the boat across

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Speaker 4: We can do it. Kenton.

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Speaker 1: Today, we're going to talk about a couple of things

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Speaker 4: And Marty, that term is spinsistency.

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Speaker 1: They were trying to explain what it is. Marty, You're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Marty, I mean I always joke that you're not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Marty, I mean the G four thirty three wood

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it got a lot more complex when we put

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Speaker 3: So we actually have different face curvatures, different levels of

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Speaker 1: When you introduced these clubs, Marty was talking about going

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Speaker 4: I've been to the.

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Speaker 1: Proving grounds, I've been fit multiple times at paying One

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Speaker 1: ever not tell tour players what's going on, just to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of the times when we introduce new products,

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Speaker 5: what do you like, what you don't like? What are

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Speaker 5: we're not trying to change what we do in our drivers.

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Speaker 5: Goal in our drivers, and we've just finally we just

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Speaker 5: So we've been doing fairy woods for my entire that

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Speaker 5: I mean, on our staff, I can, I'll speak to

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Speaker 1: Marty, how's your bag changed? I mean, like personally for you,

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Speaker 3: And I think Shane, we've talked about that. As you

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Speaker 3: Even the better players are doing that because of the spinsistency.

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Speaker 5: golf courses. And he's just his apprehension was that I

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Speaker 5: was just gonna go so high, Kenn. It's just gonna

439
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Speaker 5: go so high into the wind. I can't hit it.

440
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Speaker 5: So it's not gonna be very versatile, right, because he

441
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Speaker 5: just has this idea that's going to peek out if

442
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Speaker 5: there's five miles in his face, it's not going to

443
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Speaker 5: go the distance he needs. Well, at the shorter length

444
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Speaker 5: and the little reduction in waft using the loft sleeve.

445
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Speaker 5: They're launching so low relative to the loft of the

446
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Speaker 5: club that they can hit penetrated flights if they turn

447
00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,560
Speaker 5: it over. They get that, you know, they get The

448
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,200
Speaker 5: sweet spot on the seven wood is get him to

449
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Speaker 5: forty four hundred RPMs of spin on a straight shot.

450
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Speaker 5: And that's how Hatton got a little bit more reduced

451
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Speaker 5: in length because he was over spinning it a little bit,

452
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Speaker 5: so instead of taking off more waft, we just cut

453
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Speaker 5: it down, reduces the launch, reduces the spin a little bit.

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Speaker 5: You get him around forty four to forty six hundred

455
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Speaker 5: on the straight ball. Well, then the draw spin at

456
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Speaker 5: about four thousand, and it can go anywhere upwards like

457
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Speaker 5: two sixty for those guys, and then you can still

458
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Speaker 5: like swap a cutout there at five thousand, and that

459
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Speaker 5: one goes about two forty, So then you're covering twenty

460
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Speaker 5: yards of coverable yardage on the PGA tour. There's no

461
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Speaker 5: other club in your bag that can really do that

462
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Speaker 5: effectively as that seven.

463
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Speaker 3: Would such a great it's just such a great fitting lever,

464
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Speaker 3: I think for all of our fitters out there, of

465
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Speaker 3: you know, why does going shorter work? You know, it's

466
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Speaker 3: reducing the clubbet speed a little bit when you go shorter,

467
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Speaker 3: and then when you go shorter, you can play the

468
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Speaker 3: ball a little bit further back and you deliver with

469
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Speaker 3: less dynamic loft, little more handle, lean at impact, so

470
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Speaker 3: to speak. It's just a great use case. So it

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean it's for everybody. Ko I think the flip side,

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Speaker 3: we were talking about Cameron Champ who doesn't need a

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Speaker 3: seven wood, but he plays a five wood is his

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Speaker 3: three wood. I think a five wood maybe in the

475
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Speaker 3: Big minus or something. Obviously, he's always had to play

476
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Speaker 3: a lot of loft on his driver because his angle

477
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Speaker 3: of attack is more down. You know, we have Corey

478
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Speaker 3: Bacon on our team who plays a twelve degree driver

479
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Speaker 3: as driver, and he's always played a five wood and

480
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Speaker 3: he hits it way further than my three wood. Tell

481
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Speaker 3: us a little bit about maybe about some of those

482
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Speaker 3: guys who are playing a five wood and maybe cam

483
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Speaker 3: is is the main one there as their three wood.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Cameron's definitely he does that on a day to

485
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Speaker 5: day basis just because you know, it does help that

486
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,679
Speaker 5: he has so much clubhead speed and ball speed, so

487
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Speaker 5: that five would still going probably two eighty five for Cameron.

488
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Speaker 5: But the nice thing about the five wood that we

489
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Speaker 5: do for Austin Cook will do it. If he gets

490
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Speaker 5: a course that's actually a little bit softer, he'll go

491
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Speaker 5: five wood. And other guys have done it from time

492
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Speaker 5: to time, just when their swing gets off a little bit.

493
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Speaker 5: Because one of the things that most guys hate on

494
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Speaker 5: tours if they get under it and behind it and

495
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Speaker 5: they can't get off the right side. So sometimes guys

496
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Speaker 5: would do a five would just like, hey, I don't

497
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Speaker 5: want to, you know, get under it and flip it

498
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 5: over there. I just want to get a five wood

499
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Speaker 5: and smash down on it, and you know, if it

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Speaker 5: spins a little bit more, I'm okay. So that's one

501
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 5: way that we use the five wood is just give

502
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Speaker 5: guys some waft and with the consistency of the five wood,

503
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Speaker 5: and when you turn it down in that wat suiteve,

504
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Speaker 5: it's not like they spend that much more. There's only

505
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Speaker 5: about a you can get a five would to spin

506
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Speaker 5: out just a couple hundred RPMs more than our three wood.

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Speaker 1: Marty, you mentioned that you carry a lot of clubs

508
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Speaker 1: when you play competitive golf. I was thinking as you

509
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Speaker 1: were talking, I know you probably have status with an airline,

510
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Speaker 1: But what's this bagway.

511
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Speaker 4: In an ad?

512
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Speaker 1: I mean, are we like, are we nearing sixty five

513
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,439
Speaker 1: seventy pounds as we check in?

514
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Speaker 3: Shane one of Okay, here's the golf hack right here.

515
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Speaker 3: And I don't know if you do this, but I

516
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Speaker 3: put a luggage, you know, one of those luggage scales.

517
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 3: I have like a garage storage up top, and I

518
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 3: hang it up there, and anytime I packed my bag, boom,

519
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:03,959
Speaker 3: I hang it on there and make sure it's at

520
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 3: forty nine point nine, you know. So that's a little

521
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Speaker 3: golf at for all the golfers out there.

522
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Speaker 1: You're like, I don't need this extra sleeve of balls.

523
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Speaker 1: It'll be okay. I'll just hit the same balls in

524
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Speaker 1: the practice round. Always as stress. By the way, when

525
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Speaker 1: you go to the airport put the bag for like

526
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Speaker 1: a six or seven day golf trip and it's like

527
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Speaker 1: this is gonna peak fifty.

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Speaker 3: I think, exactly, yeah, you got you gotta you gotta

529
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Speaker 3: have that scale at home and optimize it. And I

530
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Speaker 3: usually end up putting training aids, balls, all that heavy

531
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Speaker 3: stuff and bag number two.

532
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Speaker 4: Over there and maybe carry on bag three.

533
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Speaker 3: Exactly.

534
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Speaker 2: That's the key.

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Speaker 5: You can even if it gets close, you can pop

536
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Speaker 5: off all your heads nowadays that three heads and see

537
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Speaker 5: a couple of pounds get those Yeah, I mean it

538
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Speaker 5: can't go in at fifty one.

539
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Speaker 2: That's just where we live.

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Speaker 4: It can't get that. You can't do it. Ko, I

541
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Speaker 4: wanted to ask you.

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Speaker 1: We've talked seven woods and we dipped into the five woods.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk about the nine wood revolution because it

544
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Speaker 1: feels like we're moving in that direction as well, where

545
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Speaker 1: you're gonna see more tour players to go more loft

546
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Speaker 1: on the woods than less loft.

547
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

548
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Speaker 5: So we've actually we've had probably i'll say five to

549
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Speaker 5: ten nine woods in play over the last couple of years,

550
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Speaker 5: and it's it basically comes.

551
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Speaker 2: At extreme course setups.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so like you get a course with super high

553
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 5: wing foot already played there. We had a couple of

554
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Speaker 5: guys put in nine woods that just it was just

555
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Speaker 5: like I can hack this thing out of rough from

556
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Speaker 5: one eighty to two hundred, and I can't do that

557
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Speaker 5: with any other cup of my bag. So I don't

558
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Speaker 5: need this four iron or seven wood even I'm just

559
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 5: gonna play this club. And so when I get in

560
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 5: that super thick rough, I can at least hack this

561
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Speaker 5: down the fairway. I think Taylor Moore played one at

562
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Speaker 5: Tory Pines for the same reason. It's such a long

563
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Speaker 5: golf course that his seven wood was irrelevant. So just

564
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Speaker 5: put the nine wood into play so that you can

565
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Speaker 5: hack it down when you hit it in that primary rough.

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Speaker 4: Kenton, what's a tour player hit a nine wood like?

567
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Speaker 1: Not not a camp Champ, not a Tony Fenale, but

568
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Speaker 1: what is like a middling tour player, middle and average

569
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Speaker 1: distance tour player hit a nine wood, It's.

570
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Speaker 5: Probably gonna go about two twenty five, two thirty, Okay.

571
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Speaker 5: The coolest thing about nine woods in a tour player's

572
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Speaker 5: hand is it's I mean, what is it? Twenty three

573
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Speaker 5: is degrees of lots and we build them at forty

574
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Speaker 5: inches with like a telephone pole shaft. They can't if

575
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Speaker 5: they hit it to twenty seven like solid. They can't

576
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Speaker 5: hit it to twenty nine like it just has like

577
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 5: a governor on it because of all the loft. It's awesome,

578
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 5: like they just it only will go to twenty seven.

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Speaker 3: I gotta try it. That's on my list, man. I'm

580
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Speaker 3: making a note. Tried nine wood.

581
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Speaker 1: I mean, Marty, I mean you just add another add

582
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Speaker 1: another club to the back. I mean, this is just

583
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Speaker 1: one more thing you got to put into the travel bag.

584
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Speaker 1: It's just again, I just go back to the I

585
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: just find the waves of the golf technology where it

586
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Speaker 1: was everybody played a hybrid, and then it was then

587
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: it was driving irons and crossovers, and now the lofted

588
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Speaker 1: woods and Marty going back to what we started the

589
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Speaker 1: conversation with, a lot of this is due to the

590
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Speaker 1: technology involved in these golf clubs, where now you can

591
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Speaker 1: lean into other areas of your golf bag that you

592
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Speaker 1: didn't know existed, because they're going to perform more consistently

593
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Speaker 1: than they did fifteen to twenty years ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, Shane. I think I think one of the

595
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Speaker 3: fun things for the listener that I think you've heard

596
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Speaker 3: from me is very optimistic that we can keep making

597
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 3: golf clubs easier to hit, right. I think a lot

598
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 3: of I think a lot of golfers out there like, oh,

599
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 3: the manufacturers are They're all constrained by all these rules.

600
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: What more can they do? That is the furthest thing

601
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 3: from the truth, Like we are doing things like sponsistency

602
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 3: is a really innovative way to improve the face stability

603
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 3: and to improve your spin consistency. I mean, one of

604
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Speaker 3: the biggest things I remember going back to Camp Champ

605
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Speaker 3: there in Vegas, Ko was he was there, he had

606
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Speaker 3: the force, he had the quad, and Sean Foley was

607
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 3: with him, so he had the quad shomp foling there

608
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 3: hitting the four to thirty driver and his spin range.

609
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 3: None of his drives changed spin by more than like

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Speaker 3: one hundred RPMs. And I was there for like twenty

611
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Speaker 3: or thirty straight t balls, and I'm going.

612
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Speaker 4: Holy moly.

613
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 3: So if the golfer's out there are there to go

614
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 3: and in, you're gonna get a fitting. Look at that

615
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 3: spin range. Look at how high your spin is with

616
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: your GAMER driver, how low it is, or or for

617
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 3: the techi's out there, look at this number that says

618
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 3: plus or minus of spin, so you'll get your spin.

619
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Speaker 3: You have your grouping. That plus or minus of spin

620
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,959
Speaker 3: is your spinsistency. That's how tight your window is. So

621
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Speaker 3: your GAMER might be like plus or minus five hundred

622
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: plus or minus four hundred. That means one time your

623
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Speaker 3: spin might be thirty two hundred. Then it goes to

624
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 3: twenty two hundred with the four to thirty you'll go

625
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 3: in there and evaluate this and you might see your

626
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 3: average spin being twenty six. Your high might be twenty eight,

627
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 3: your low might be twenty four. That's that tight window,

628
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 3: and we're just it's so fun shame to keep passing

629
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 3: along those things to the golfer. And that's a real

630
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 3: practical way for the fitters and the golfers out there

631
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Speaker 3: to measure that in your fitting environment.

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Speaker 1: Marty, I don't know if you have these numbers in

633
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: front of you, So if you don't, you can obviously

634
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: discard the question. But we talk a lot about spin,

635
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: and we always urge people, if you gonna get fit,

636
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 1: go find a pink fitter in your area, lean into them,

637
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: lean into their their knowledge and the basis of what

638
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: they have at their disposal. But let's say somebody doesn't

639
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: do that. What is an average spin or an let's say,

640
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: optimal spin for an average player. So let's say if

641
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: you hit it two fifty to two sixty off the T,

642
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: two seventy two ninety off the T, what should the

643
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: spin look like with the driver?

644
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 3: Shane, that man, that's a great question, and it's it's

645
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: I think we want to encourage everybody now that fitting

646
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 3: environments are so easy to find. We could give you

647
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 3: a general number, but it's it's highly dependent on your

648
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 3: club speed, which we could get from that distance range.

649
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 4: Right.

650
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 3: But the other ingredient that is mandatory to know is

651
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 3: your angle of attack. Right, You got to know your

652
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 3: angle of attack, and that's hard to see with the

653
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 3: naked eye. And now I think we're living in an

654
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 3: age that's super easy to go find that out because

655
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Speaker 3: all of our fitters out there have launch monitors that

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Speaker 3: can measure that, and they have access to tools like

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Speaker 3: pink co pilot or Optimal Launch and spin chart. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: dial up, go to ping dot com, click on find

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Speaker 3: a fitter, type in your zip code, find a fitter

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Speaker 3: nearby you that's using ping co pilot, go to them

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Speaker 3: and they will get you absolutely dialed uh Kenton.

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Speaker 1: Before we let you go, we've talked seven Woods, We've

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Speaker 1: talked to nine Woods. Are we are we going to

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Speaker 1: eleven Woods? So like, where where does this stop? Like

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Speaker 1: what's that next step? Or do you think nine Wood

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Speaker 1: is the stop sign?

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Speaker 2: I think nine Wood is the stop sign. I think

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Speaker 2: we're good there.

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Speaker 4: You don't think we're gonna go to eleven? Okay?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: Ka Oh you don't remember. Do you remember Daniel Chopro

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Speaker 3: with the jepro Elwood he put it in at a US.

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Speaker 4: Open, Marty. What was that? What was that like? I mean,

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Speaker 4: what what was that comparable to?

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Speaker 3: That was like in eleven wood? It was like an

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Speaker 3: eleven wood and it was uh now granted it was

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Speaker 3: for the US Open. I forget where it was that year.

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Speaker 3: And he's looking for the ultimate hack out club, you know, uh,

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Speaker 3: but we have had some tour players do it. But

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Speaker 3: I think I'm kind of along the lines as Ko.

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Speaker 3: I think on the PGA Tour nine wood might be

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Speaker 3: it for for at least the foreseeable future.

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Speaker 1: Still wild again to kind of see it, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I will say this. I went out a couple days

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Speaker 1: ago with the family to my club and we were

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Speaker 1: just kind of driving around, and it's actually excellent practice

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Speaker 1: because go out late in the day, nobody's really on

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Speaker 1: the golf course. My son can run around like a

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Speaker 1: crazy person. My daughter now has walking wild and she

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Speaker 1: kind of likes to just run around as well. And

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Speaker 1: I can just kind of hit shots. You know, I've

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Speaker 1: never hit a shot from here. I've always wanted to

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Speaker 1: hit this shot, and I threw the seven wood in

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Speaker 1: the bag because I've kind of had it in the

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Speaker 1: bag and out of the bag over the last few months,

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Speaker 1: and I was hitting some of those two thirty five

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Speaker 1: two forty yard shots with the seven wood and it

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Speaker 1: doesn't deviate much left to right, you know. I mean

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Speaker 1: you really can see it fly straight high and landsoft,

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Speaker 1: and depending on the conditions of the year out here

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Speaker 1: in the Northeast, it is going to be in the

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Speaker 1: bag for twenty twenty four. I can guarantee that. And

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Speaker 1: it's fun to see Kent. How was your second appearance?

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Speaker 1: What would you say? Would you like it more or less?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 1: It's not as beautiful behind you as their first appearance?

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Speaker 1: But what were your thoughts on appearance number two?

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Speaker 5: It was? It was just as good as the first.

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Speaker 5: I do enjoy those Majors are pretty fun. So hopefully

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Speaker 5: our third one can be at Augusta, because that's a

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Speaker 5: pretty special that.

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Speaker 4: I like that.

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Speaker 1: That's nudging the Powers to be to have us do

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Speaker 1: the podcast exactly at the Masters across the street, of course,

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Speaker 1: but we can do it, you know, near the parking lot.

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Speaker 4: Marty.

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Speaker 1: A lot of fun consistency is so cool and it's

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Speaker 1: so fun to dive into. And obviously this world is

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Speaker 1: seven woods. As we've talked about, the popularity of these

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Speaker 1: woods have blown up, and it feels like the more

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Speaker 1: people I play golf with, the more I see them

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Speaker 1: in the bag.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been super fun. Go out, check them out.

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Speaker 3: Give fit for him. I think, if you're one of

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Speaker 3: our fitters out there, don't be afraid to play around

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Speaker 3: with length and G four thirty family, Shane. Thanks to

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Speaker 3: Ko and in our team and in the performance of it,

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Speaker 3: has taken the PGA Tour by storm. It's been the

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Speaker 3: number one model played on the PGA Tour I think

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Speaker 3: like nine straight weeks or something this summer, and even

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Speaker 3: a few times lately. It's been over double the most

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Speaker 3: popular model than some of the other models out there.

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Speaker 3: So go give a shot and enjoy having very stable spin.

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Speaker 4: Marty.

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Speaker 1: Here's how popular G four thirty is right now. Every

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Speaker 1: time I play golf these days, I'll have somebody asked

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Speaker 1: to hit my driver. To the point, now I'm a lefty,

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Speaker 1: they can't hit my driver. They don't really think about it.

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Speaker 1: I've got to the point now where I'm thinking about

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Speaker 1: reaching out to Bill and saying, you might need to

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Speaker 1: send me a righty G four thirty just to have

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Speaker 1: in the bag, just to have it in the golf bag.

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Speaker 1: And you go, yeah, actually, you can't hit this one.

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Speaker 1: You can swing this one and see the performance that

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Speaker 1: we all love because it is an unbelievable golf club

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Speaker 1: and it's my favorite driver to hit, and I love

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Speaker 1: it so much and I can't wait to see you

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Speaker 1: know what you guys have kind of in the hopper

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Speaker 1: because I cannot only imagine if it improves off of

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Speaker 1: G four thirty, it's going to be in every golfer's bag.

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Speaker 4: Canton appreciate the time. Marty. Always great to see you.

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