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Speaker 1: This is the Colts Free Agent Tracker, a look at

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Speaker 1: some key in house free agents this offseason in the

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Speaker 1: Indiana Union Construction Industry Radio studio. Here's the voice of

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Speaker 1: the Colts, Matt Taylor. Hello again, Welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: Free Agent Tracker podcast, our series here on Colts dot

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Speaker 1: Com and the Colts Mulbile app Coults Audio Network. This

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Speaker 1: is our offseason look at some in house free agents

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Speaker 1: for the Indianapolis Colts. I'm Matt Taylor and NFL free

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Speaker 1: agency right now, it's less than a month away. It

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Speaker 1: all starts on Wednesday, March fifteenth, and the Colts have

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Speaker 1: seventeen players that are set to become free agents, either

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Speaker 1: restricted or unrestricted unless they're resigned by the Colts first.

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Speaker 1: And so far on this Tracker series, we've examined Ashton Dulin,

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Speaker 1: Bobby o Karake, Dennis Kelly, Matt Pryor, and Tae Kwon Lewis.

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Speaker 1: Later this week, we're gonna talk all about Paris Campbell

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Speaker 1: as he hits free agency for the first time in

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Speaker 1: his career. But today we're talking about defensive end Ben

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Speaker 1: Banigoo with Casey Valier and JJ Stangovitz and one of

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Speaker 1: the things we have to factor in now Fellas, the

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Speaker 1: Colts have a new head coaches, Shane Steik, and so

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Speaker 1: he gets to look at all of the Colts in

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Speaker 1: house free agents. He gets to go over these guys

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Speaker 1: and give his opinions to Chris Ballard when making some

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Speaker 1: of these decisions on the Colts free agents going into

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Speaker 1: mid March. That is that is a good point. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that is one of the things when you think about

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Speaker 1: these guys, they have experience here, but the guy who's

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Speaker 1: running things has, you know, little experience with a handful

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Speaker 1: of these guys. And Ben Banigoo is definitely under that umbrella. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: no question about it. So let's get into it. Let's

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Speaker 1: break down Ben Banagoo, twenty nineteen second round pick out

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Speaker 1: of TCU. The profile on him. Last year played in

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Speaker 1: sixteen games, ten tackles, primarily a rotational piece at the

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Speaker 1: though last year in thirteen games, played a season high

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Speaker 1: thirty four snaps again Pittsburgh on Monday Night Football. All told,

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Speaker 1: Banagoose played in fifty career games in four years, two

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Speaker 1: and a half sacks, but no sacks since his rookie

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Speaker 1: season JJ, And since two twenty Ben banegoo' has been

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Speaker 1: inactive for sixteen games, meaning he did not dress for

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Speaker 1: those games. So we'll start with JJ. Why has it

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Speaker 1: been tough for Banigoo to find a consistent defensive role

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Speaker 1: where he's a guy who, you know, he has a

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Speaker 1: some of the stats he put up, but it just

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Speaker 1: it is not carried over, and you know, only two

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Speaker 1: It's just it just hasn't worked out, and for some guys,

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Speaker 1: that's the reality of it. I think one thing that

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Speaker 1: that's kind of where you saw him make more of

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Speaker 1: And I think that's where he fell. But I agree

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Speaker 1: things that I think we discussed on the Taekwon Lewis

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Speaker 1: Mett Eberflus's defense. Now, he didn't say anything disparaging about

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Speaker 1: really comes down to can we see that consistency out

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Speaker 1: this is a pivotal time in Ben Banigoo's NFL career.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's been in the league for four years,

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Speaker 1: he's becoming a free agent. He has not had a

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Speaker 1: Not knowing in Goackway's future, though, what does the defensive

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Speaker 1: zero on the XFL. But point is, if you played

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Speaker 1: a game now, Diodangbo's probably a defensive end. So not

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Speaker 1: only is his emergence affecting ty Lewis, but it's also

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Speaker 1: affecting guys like Ben banago too. One percent. I mean,

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Speaker 1: be throughout his tenure here and kind of where he

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Speaker 1: And that is definitely something that you know, there's probably

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Speaker 1: three is where is Dio? What is he? Is he

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Speaker 1: Heading into March fifteenth, the first day of free agency

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Speaker 1: for that. Is the Free Agent Tracker podcast installment, this

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