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Speaker 1: about the Hungarian election and the impact of the documentary

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Speaker 2: We are going to talk about some very serious themes

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Speaker 2: on the show today, So if you are the victim

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Speaker 2: of violence, sexual assault, police, seek out these resources. We're

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Speaker 2: going to list them on the screen. Welcome to Brief Recess.

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Speaker 3: I'm Michael Foot, I'm Melissa Malbranch.

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Speaker 2: Today we're going to have some birthday reflections. We're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about Melissa's running with the former boss, Justice

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Speaker 2: for Ursula and the Little Mermaid, Three types of Hugs,

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Speaker 2: Pam Bondies no showed for her subpoena. We're going to

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Speaker 2: talk about Bubblegate with Lindsey Gribb's bubble wand an interview

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Speaker 2: with Seth Porges talking about Santacon and.

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Speaker 3: My favorite holidays, the CEO.

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Speaker 2: Who just got arrested. And I'm going to answer all

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Speaker 2: your freaky, deeky, nasty emails from my dms and a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a confessional in their two this week.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's right, Yeah, it was good.

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Speaker 2: Stick around, Sit your ass down. Some people that you

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Speaker 2: get like a dirty martini with and yeah, I've never

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Speaker 2: had a martini. Really well, I guess like it'll really

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Speaker 2: knock you on your ass if you start having martinis.

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Speaker 1: Although you know what, I'm kind of really into now.

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Speaker 1: So I was like this during the pandemic, I started

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Speaker 1: making like old timey cocktails.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, because there was.

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Speaker 1: Nothing else to do but get drunk. Right, So so

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Speaker 1: I mean, am I wrong?

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Speaker 2: Like remember when we facetimed Alyssa. Okay, everyone during the pandemic,

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Speaker 2: we got on a we we had a daily check

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Speaker 2: in with Alyssa and Melissa because Alyssa was one of

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Speaker 2: the first people who got COVID in New York.

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Speaker 1: First of all, let me just say this about Alyssa.

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Speaker 1: Who you know, love her.

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Speaker 3: Alyssa.

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Speaker 4: Alyssa's are most chaotic crit Yes.

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Speaker 1: And Alyssa was always sick. Yeah, always always sick. She

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Speaker 1: was always she was always sick. And Alyssa and I

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Speaker 4: It's March first, twenty twenty and I used.

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Speaker 1: To always say to her, get the hell out.

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Speaker 3: Of here, because she'd be like coughing up.

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Speaker 1: Along and She's like, no, I'm fine, I'm fine.

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Speaker 2: But then you're reading about COVID.

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Speaker 3: Right, and oh yeah, and you're.

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Speaker 2: Like, huh, this bitch next to me keeps coughing, keeps coughing.

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Speaker 1: I wonderful, like anything, got a fever and is still

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Speaker 1: like bleary eyed in the office.

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Speaker 2: She's like, well, it's just a dry cough and a

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Speaker 3: And oils.

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Speaker 4: So weird.

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Speaker 2: So when she got COVID, it really was. It was

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Speaker 2: like her and Tom Hanks. Yeah, we didn't know anyone

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Speaker 2: who had COVID personally in our lives, and so we

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Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people broke up to her.

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Speaker 4: Like two weeks this vicious.

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Speaker 3: Poor girl was stuck with it and it was awful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so we had a daily like him anyway, though, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we didn't know he was. We were we were, we

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Speaker 2: we facetimed her at one point and her air conditioner

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Speaker 3: Like this goose.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it was like Ghostbusters, like hellish, yuck, it's weird.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was crazy. And we were like, she was like,

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Speaker 2: what are my abichesill have the pictures you could have

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Speaker 4: Because she was she based on was like what do

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Speaker 1: What do you guys think this is?

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Speaker 3: And I showed it to Andre and he was like,

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Speaker 2: And it turned out the neighbors air conditioner upstairs was

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Speaker 3: That's what it was.

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Speaker 4: What it was.

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Speaker 3: It looked thicker, it looked like asbestos.

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Speaker 2: There's a viscosity to yeah, yeah, yeah, this is a

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Speaker 2: quick cybar. We're going to get into what's going on

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Speaker 3: I'm pregnant with twins, congratulations, Mazzle.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so Melissa and I are both wearing our Taurus.

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Speaker 2: Sweat because it is the first day of tourist season

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Speaker 2: and also my birthday.

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Speaker 3: Happy birthday, Michael.

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Speaker 2: Twenty yep, that's right, and your birthday is in two days,

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Speaker 2: right on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: And Michael, tell everybody how old you are?

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Speaker 2: Old enough thirty eight, but I'm going to lie and

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Speaker 2: say thirty two. I think why because I want to

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Speaker 2: this is my life. We've only got a couple of

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Speaker 2: tell the bunker until Paradise, the bunker under the ballroom

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Speaker 1: If you could go back and redo things, would you absolutely?

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Speaker 2: And I shame on anyone who says they wouldn't, because

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Speaker 1: For real.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there are so many things. I mean, I think

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Speaker 2: I would slut it up more. I think that's one,

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Speaker 2: now what you would do?

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Speaker 2: When I was like young, in my early twenties, I

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Speaker 2: I was like afraid of anxiety, do you know what

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Speaker 2: And I think now that I'm on the other side

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Speaker 2: fear of anxiety. Okay, you know, like in so many ways.

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Speaker 2: And also I think around the pandemic too because I

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Speaker 3: Let me not.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it's just like that, that fear of

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Speaker 2: I had a breakdown anyway, I might as well have

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Speaker 2: turned the party. I might as well have been on

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Speaker 2: the pole. I should have gotten out my my pleazers.

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Speaker 4: I could have.

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Speaker 2: More.

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Speaker 1: I wish that I had told more people to stuff it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: I think when I think about even like stuff that

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Speaker 3: With go ahead.

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Speaker 2: No, I was just going to say, but now that

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Speaker 2: you know that, you wish you told more people to

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Speaker 2: more now? Because I do. I'm making up for that

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think I let people know that I

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Speaker 4: I think that's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: No, I think that's a beautiful I love that, Like, Okay, well.

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Speaker 2: That's Emily Dickinson poem that is so beautiful. That was

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Speaker 2: That was actual poetry.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: No, you're welcome, Thanks everybody.

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Speaker 4: That was beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that.

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Speaker 2: So I have a birthday party this weekend and there

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Speaker 2: was a situation I won't get into, but there was

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Speaker 2: some drama at my birthday party that someone else brought

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Speaker 2: that you can stuff with all sorts of bullshit, and

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Speaker 2: they said, let me bring it to Michael's party. I know,

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Speaker 2: and so, knowing what I know about myself where I

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Speaker 2: I did say something.

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Speaker 3: Did you Yeah? I did, okay, because we were talking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I said something okay, and I said I know

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Speaker 2: I need to let you know that that's not okay

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Speaker 2: and I don't like you because of it. And then

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Speaker 2: I blocked them, Okay, I don't want to hear your response.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. This is something that I speak to my therapist.

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Speaker 1: A lot about of my my sort of unquenching thirst

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Speaker 1: and I don't I don't know why I need to know,

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Speaker 1: but I would just want to know what were what

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Speaker 1: What did you hope to learn?

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Speaker 2: What were comparist people listening? Basically, someone came to the

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Speaker 2: that was like intentional, yes, and it was. And I

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Speaker 1: But also but also potentially very hurtful? Yes, right, And

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Speaker 3: Are you just nosy?

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Speaker 4: Are you?

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Speaker 2: And for me, I don't need to know, but I

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Speaker 2: will project. My projection is you don't have anything else

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Speaker 2: going on. You're so bored or you're so unhappy with

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Speaker 2: something interesting. Take this opportunity because you've got nothing else

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Speaker 2: going on. And that's where I say, And this did

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Speaker 2: take a lot of healing and a lot of ketamine

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Speaker 2: therapy and a lot of regular therapy to be able

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Speaker 2: to say I feel bad for that person, huh, but

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Speaker 2: I'm also going to tell them what I think and

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Speaker 2: how I felt, and.

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Speaker 4: It feels really good to like let it go and

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Speaker 4: move on.

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Speaker 1: Do you legitimate because I hear people saying that a

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Speaker 1: lot about people who have caused harm and their feeling is,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I feel really bad for that person.

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Speaker 1: Do you legitimately feel bad for that person?

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Speaker 3: Because I tell you I.

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Speaker 2: Don't feel bad for I say I think I pity them.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, god, it it sucks to be that person.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not like, oh my heart breaks for this person. No,

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Speaker 2: because these people that I'm feeling that way about are

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Speaker 2: been in detention centers for four years. Like I'm not

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Speaker 2: feeling bad for like a rich white person from Brooklyn

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Speaker 2: are suffering and have no agency.

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Speaker 4: But I will.

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Speaker 2: Because temp agencies in New York they take fifty percent

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Speaker 2: And so Melissa ran into this old boss after I did.

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Speaker 1: Her ex husband called one time and was like, where

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Speaker 2: Oh, so you think these assistants were her punching bag

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Speaker 2: Right, you really do want to know why you and

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Speaker 3: I do, like, what is why? Like I even have

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Speaker 1: Think is the matter with the president? What is wrong

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Speaker 3: But for someone to.

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Speaker 3: He's insane and.

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Speaker 2: Shooting period, right, like the these are follow.

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Speaker 2: I think it's time for a what's going on in

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Speaker 4: What is going on in the going on in the home?

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Speaker 1: Didn't you know my theory, nothing went on in that home?

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Speaker 1: Well know, like about the hugs.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Melissa has a theory that there's two kinds of

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Speaker 1: There are three kinds of people. Three Yeah, there are

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Speaker 1: So Melissa's theory is that the hug, by the way,

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Speaker 3: Okay, like it's not actually hugs.

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Speaker 2: Get in touch now, Melissa is a theory that you're

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Speaker 2: either get too many hugs, you got too many hugs

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Speaker 3: Just enough inappropriate, inappropriate hugs.

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Speaker 4: You've amended it since the last time.

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Speaker 1: It has always been it's always been the three and it

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Speaker 3: Yeah you did you tuned me out. He tuned me out.

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Speaker 3: Should be, right, But in the world you're regular like

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Speaker 2: You can't be not everyone can be a special snow No, not.

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Speaker 3: Everybody is special. That's specially special.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, most of us are just regular.

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Speaker 3: And that's okay, it's very nice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's uneventful. Right. Was the other one? Not enough?

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Speaker 1: Not enough hugs is neglect? Right, Like you were not

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Speaker 3: I knew that right away special.

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Speaker 4: I was special. And you know what what they were

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Speaker 4: fucking right?

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Speaker 3: Were they?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Thank you?

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Speaker 2: I Yeah, special snowflake. You know many times I had

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Speaker 2: to repeat ninth grade math. That's how special three times

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Speaker 2: he would come I woul didn't eat lunch.

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Speaker 2: We didn't eat lunch because I had to go to

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Speaker 3: Do you know if you have discuculia?

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Speaker 2: We didn't have those those words, I know, but.

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Speaker 3: Now do you think that's probably?

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Speaker 2: It's like a party trick. Brad will be like, what's

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, I know.

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Speaker 2: He'll be like, what's twelve minus seven? And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: You're a little Yeah, That's why I married him.

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Speaker 3: He's geeky, smart.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into your algorithm is show. Let's talk about

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Speaker 1: She was out to dinner though she was going to

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Speaker 2: went to this one drag show that was at like

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Speaker 2: the Hamburger Mary's, and it was like at the diner

450
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Speaker 2: and do On Circle and that was that was really fun.

451
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Speaker 2: I saw someone leap off a table and land in a.

452
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Speaker 1: Split like the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders. Have you seen that?

453
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,080
Speaker 1: Do you know that? Those women? Sorry, this is sorry,

454
00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 1: this is us, this is us. Yeah, So I was

455
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Speaker 1: obsessed with There was a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader documentary.

456
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Speaker 3: It was a few episodes.

457
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah about this. They all go.

458
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Speaker 1: Into debt because first of all, they hardly pay them anything.

459
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Speaker 1: All these women have real jobs outside of the cheerleading.

460
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Speaker 1: Thing right, God, they go to appearances, they don't get

461
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Speaker 1: paid for them.

462
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Speaker 2: I can't believe. And it's also like it's not like

463
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Speaker 2: they don't have the money. These sports are owned by billionaires.

464
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Speaker 1: And when they were like, well, why don't you pay them,

465
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Speaker 1: and they're like, well, it's really about the honor of

466
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Speaker 1: being a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader.

467
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Speaker 2: And more honorable than a paycheck, as I'm concerned.

468
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Speaker 3: Nothing.

469
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Speaker 4: What's more honorable than healthcare?

470
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Speaker 3: You know? And they practice almost every night.

471
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Speaker 2: They're kicking in boots that planter flat fasci itis, Oh.

472
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 3: For sure, for sure.

473
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Speaker 4: You know there's going to be a bunion.

474
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Speaker 1: What is it called. It might be called thunder road,

475
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't remember. But there's a routine

476
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,919
Speaker 1: that they're famous for and they all jump up and

477
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 1: they all land directly into a split and then so

478
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Speaker 1: and after a certain amount of time, there's a lot

479
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Speaker 1: of wear and tear on the body.

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Speaker 3: All these young women.

481
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Speaker 1: Are having hip replacement surgery like when they retire, because

482
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Speaker 1: you can only be.

483
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Speaker 3: A Dallas Cowpboard chee leader.

484
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Speaker 1: There's a few years, like I think maybe six years

485
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Speaker 1: or something, and at the end you have to you

486
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Speaker 1: have to retire tire and usually at the end of

487
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Speaker 1: that these women are having.

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Speaker 2: Hip replacement surgery twenty five.

489
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Speaker 3: Yeah, whoa, and it's on their dime.

490
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Speaker 4: Like it's a grilling I mean, it's a grilling career.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think that's why the Rockets I call them the Rickets.

493
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Speaker 2: They they unionized.

494
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they had to.

495
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Speaker 2: They have to unionized because they do eight shows a

496
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Speaker 2: day for the month of December. They can only do

497
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Speaker 2: so many. I met one one. She was telling me

498
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Speaker 2: she takes an ice bath every night. And because of

499
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Speaker 2: the union, they have to address them as ladies. Okay,

500
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Speaker 2: collectively they say ladies.

501
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Speaker 4: And then they all as opposed to girls.

502
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they have to be addressed collectively as ladies per

503
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Speaker 2: the union contract. Yeah, the Broadway union contracts are actually

504
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 2: really freaking weird. But anyway, Pam Bondi didn't show up.

505
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Speaker 4: She was out eating.

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Speaker 1: She's out eating in DC and smiling. If there's anybody

507
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Speaker 1: in this world who does not deserve to smile about shit, and.

508
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Speaker 2: You know that if she's out in DC smiling eating,

509
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Speaker 2: it was like a setup for a photo op, you

510
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Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like it wasn't or like, you

511
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Speaker 2: know what I mean, like if she's out and she's

512
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Speaker 2: probably inherent makeup. It was, it wasn't an accident. She

513
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Speaker 2: tipped off the pop Arazza that she was there. But

514
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Speaker 2: Robert Garcia is going to subpoenat her, so explain tempt proceeding.

515
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Speaker 3: Okay, so explain to us she doesn't show up.

516
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Speaker 2: She doesn't show up and so sorry they subpoenaed her already, Yes,

517
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 2: she didn't show.

518
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Speaker 1: Up, so what is the what is their next course

519
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Speaker 1: of action possible?

520
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 2: The thing they did immediately was everyone took to the

521
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 2: internet to say we are going to hold her in contempt.

522
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 2: Those are threats. That's there's no like actual active thing

523
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Speaker 2: that happens. Yet then the committee votes to start contemp proceedings,

524
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: so the committee of that subpoenaed her would vote we

525
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Speaker 2: want to do contempt, and then the House has to

526
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Speaker 2: vote we're going to hold her in contempt, and then

527
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Speaker 2: it moves to like a criminal proceeding, so that's when

528
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Speaker 2: the criminal charges would hit. So we're a couple steps

529
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Speaker 2: away from, you know, a perp walk, but it's it's

530
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Speaker 2: like moving forward. There's no reason why Robert Garcia and

531
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Speaker 2: Jasmine Crockett would stop whilch is like threaten and not

532
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Speaker 2: and they have the votes.

533
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Speaker 4: In the committee.

534
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Speaker 2: The committee issued the subpoena in the first place. It's

535
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Speaker 2: not like, but the real battle happened in the house

536
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 2: when everyone has to duke it out.

537
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Speaker 1: So for Pam Bondy for her, what's the best case

538
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: scenario and what's the worst case scenario for her?

539
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 2: Well, it depends on what she's hiding and how damning

540
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 2: her testimony is going to be for herself.

541
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Speaker 4: Right if we're just.

542
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 2: Talking about Pam, like, what did she neglect to do

543
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: that is going to come out in this subpoena? Right,

544
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 2: because a subpoena, you're under oath you cannot lie or

545
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: you're subject to perjury if you do. So what is

546
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Speaker 2: she not saying? What is she sitting on that they're

547
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Speaker 2: going to ask her about that she's not going to

548
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 2: be able to lie about or she'll face I mean,

549
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: low Kim went to prison for perjury, right, like people

550
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 2: do time for perjury. It's like a real thing. So

551
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 2: what is she willing to go to prison for if

552
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 2: she wants to lie and cover it up? Right, So

553
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 2: there's a big it's hard to answer that question is

554
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Speaker 2: a big unknown. What doesn't she know? Or what do

555
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 2: we not know that she knows? So depends on how

556
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 2: bad it is. This is kind of what it comes

557
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Speaker 2: down to, Okay, But I'm interested to see what happens

558
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Speaker 2: with the House and how they do get out because

559
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 2: we're coming up on the midterms. Sure a lot of

560
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 2: those folks are going to be up for reelection. So

561
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Speaker 2: do they want this on their voting record that they

562
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 2: voted not to bring criminal charges against Pambondi? Or will

563
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Speaker 2: look really good? Because right now, I mean, the president's

564
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 2: approval rating isn't the toilet?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, so, and.

566
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Speaker 2: They're losing special the Republican parties losing special elections around

567
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Speaker 2: the country. Anything come up on your feet this week

568
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Speaker 2: that you want to cover.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I've been trying really hard to avoid

570
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Speaker 1: the AI vegetable. Oh yeah, yeah yeah, And you know,

571
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: and so friends, please stop sending me things because I'm

572
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: trying to really people randomly most did you see this one?

573
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: Please stop sending me things I don't I don't want anymore.

574
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Speaker 3: It's too much.

575
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: It's too much because now they're getting they're just getting worse. Right,

576
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: they're running either of things that.

577
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: AI is like breeding with itself. It's like, yeah, self perpetuating.

578
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: So do you this is really depressing, But this is

579
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Speaker 1: what came up for me. Do you remember this French woman,

580
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Speaker 1: Giselle Pilico. Yeah, so she's the woman. So she's the

581
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Speaker 1: woman who they were. They live in France. Her husband

582
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Speaker 1: for like five or so years was essaying her, drugging

583
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Speaker 1: her and essaying her and inviting other men to do

584
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Speaker 1: the same thing, taking photos and.

585
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Speaker 3: Pictures and stuff.

586
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Speaker 1: So in the news a few.

587
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Speaker 3: Weeks ago, there was this.

588
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Speaker 1: Sa Academy that came up and it's basically a website.

589
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Speaker 1: I went to the website just to see what it did,

590
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Speaker 1: to see what it was, and it's basically men trading

591
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Speaker 1: ideas of how to do this to the partners.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, really.

593
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: And you know, and the thing is like we all know,

594
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: once you start with that stuff, you just get more

595
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: and more of it. Yes, and it just you know,

596
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: we know obviously not all men, but it just always

597
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: feels like always a man, right, yeah, it's and it

598
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: definitely feels like this world hates women.

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00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean, yes, of course. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I think that there is this The internet has

601
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 2: been great at info sharing. It's also being really it's

602
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 2: created a forum for creeps to connect with each other.

603
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, because I wonder how in the before

604
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Speaker 1: it because because I think that these people have always existed, right,

605
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: So I wonder in the before times, what were they

606
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: doing were they putting as in the newspaper?

607
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: Like what were there like code words? Was that like

608
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: creeps would find each other in their neighborhood and like connect? Yeah, yeah,

609
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 2: I mean, and it is one of these things where

610
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: I don't, like, what do we do about that? I mean,

611
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: obviously shut down these websites, yeah, but.

612
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,959
Speaker 1: I mean the thing is, it's like you get rid

613
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: of one and another one pops up in this place, right.

614
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Speaker 1: And I think that people are getting more and more devious.

615
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: I think they're getting smarter, unfortunately.

616
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 2: And I also think that people are getting a lot

617
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: of dog whistles and signals from literally the Epstein files

618
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Speaker 2: and how that is not being prosecuted. There is nothing

619
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Speaker 2: happening there and everything is just getting swept under the

620
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: rug and everyone's moving on. People are I feel like

621
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: it's possible that people are learning from that and saying like, oh, well,

622
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: if no one is really condemning.

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Speaker 5: This, who's to say that I like, there's this kind

624
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 5: of like signal coming from the White House that this

625
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Speaker 5: is okay and tolerable.

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Speaker 2: There is a really interesting documentary out about a cult

627
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: that one of the hosts of an exactly right show,

628
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: trusts Me her Mom, infiltrated a cult, a Mormon cult.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I watched it this weekend. Is it good. It's

630
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Speaker 4: really good.

631
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Speaker 2: I've gotten like a couple of phone calls from people

632
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Speaker 2: like you have to watch this documentary.

633
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: What's it called, trust Me the False Prophet?

634
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Speaker 2: Trust Me the False Prophet. Yeah, it's really interesting and

635
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Speaker 2: I think we should talk about on this show because

636
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: maybe next episode we can cover some of the women

637
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: went to prison, and I think we could probably cover that.

638
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: And talk about them.

639
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

640
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Speaker 1: There was another documentary that I had seen kind of similar.

641
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Speaker 1: It was called Stay Sweet Okay, and it was about

642
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 1: LDS and how the leader like his whole thing was,

643
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: you know, to get the girls to do what he wanted.

644
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: He was just like, you have to stay sweet. No,

645
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: so disgusting, it's so creepy.

646
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Speaker 4: How is that legal? Like, well, they're like, oh, but

647
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 4: there it's a church.

648
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: It's okay, but it's not legal.

649
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: But they're getting away with it, and especially I think

650
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Speaker 1: I think in any kind of community where they are

651
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: so incredibly insulated, it's much harder to figure out what's

652
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Speaker 1: going on.

653
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,239
Speaker 2: It's very like underground, right, Yeah, it's always in some

654
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Speaker 2: rural place.

655
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they and they do their best to stay

656
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: away from people, yes, right, So they're very isolated. And

657
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: it's by design what this.

658
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: Is what we need TMZ to do as well. Because

659
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Speaker 2: TMZ is photographing politicians out in the streets, we need

660
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Speaker 2: them to also go after the LDS church. How it's

661
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Speaker 2: going to be hard to have them go and do

662
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, it would just be harder.

663
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Speaker 2: But did you see the photos of Lindsay Graham at

664
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Speaker 2: Disney World with a bubble wand no.

665
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Speaker 4: TMZ.

666
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Speaker 2: Someone people are just sending photos of congressmen and senators

667
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Speaker 2: to TMZ to shame them while they're out on recess,

668
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Speaker 2: the fact that they not doing anything, they're not passing

669
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: any bills. They're all like helping cover up the files

670
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: like every like literally.

671
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 3: Everything bubble one comes up right away.

672
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: But that's literally what people are sending in photos of

673
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: senators to TMZ. So TMZ, after twenty years.

674
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: A reporter and.

675
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: The thing about it is like he looks. The only

676
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: word that I can think of to describe the way

677
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: that he looks.

678
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 3: Is deft, right, Like he just looks.

679
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: So he looks. He looks ridiculous.

680
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: Now people are going up to you, and they're like

681
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: leaving chambers, going back to their office, and people can

682
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: actually interview them because they're it's that they're allowed to

683
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: film and record. Someone ran up to him and was like,

684
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,719
Speaker 2: do you have anything to say about the bubble one?

685
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 3: Quickly the bubble one.

686
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: And he ran for it and like scattered away, So great,

687
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: do you have anything to say about the bubble one? Melissa?

688
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: She's given a dirty look again.

689
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: I'm so tired of these people.

690
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: He literally to not vote on the government shutdown, on

691
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: the Iran war, on the Epstein files, and then to

692
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: fuck off to Disney World and play with the bubble

693
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: wand is like, so it really is District twelve Hunger Games,

694
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 2: Like it's feeling very that lately, you know, like Effie

695
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: is the announcer of the next presidential debate? What speaking

696
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: to Bautry out in these streets.

697
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 4: We have a.

698
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: Special guest in the studio, excited, So we have with

699
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: us today, Friend of the Pod Friend of the Pods

700
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: at Porges Whew. You may remember him from the Action

701
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: Class Action Park documentary where we talk.

702
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 3: Remember how excited I was.

703
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: About your childhood trauma. Yeah, I was talk about not

704
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: enough hugs.

705
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 3: Totally.

706
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: She was absolutely battered and bruised at Action Park, Melissa. Anyway,

707
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: he has a new documentary coming out about Santacon, and

708
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: we thought it would be cool to bring him on

709
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: the show today to talk about it. Santacon because it's

710
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: in the headlines as of last week. Because why ceo

711
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: head of Santacon, which I didn't realize was an actual organization.

712
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 3: It was a nonprofit. It's not supposed to raise money

713
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: to alcohol awareness.

714
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: No, it's opposed to The funds raised are supposed to

715
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: go towards some kind of a kid's something.

716
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: So these men are busting their bones, barfing in the streets,

717
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: taking a dump on my stoop to raise money for children.

718
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 4: I mean, why don't.

719
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: You make your gift on, make your recurring gift online

720
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: and leave me the buck alone.

721
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: Santa God, it's like a scourge. It looks so disgusting.

722
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 4: You know.

723
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: It's one of those things where, like you you forget

724
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: that it's happening until it's happening, and then you're in

725
00:33:58,760 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: the middle of it.

726
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: It reminds me of like the like the AI videos

727
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: of the Bubonic plague, like where people are just sort

728
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: of like lying in the streets, you know, like slowly dying.

729
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 2: It's okay, it was long enough ago. I can make

730
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 2: fun of the plague, right, Like, I'm not going to

731
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 2: get canceled for plague talk, no, right, but no one's

732
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: going to be like my great great great great grandmother

733
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 2: actually had the black lung. Yeah, okay, and if that's

734
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: what I go out for, so be it. Really at

735
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: this point, okay, so I'm excited.

736
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 4: We'll be back.

737
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: We're going to do an under oath with Seth Porges

738
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: and we're going to talk about Santacon and the new

739
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: criminal charges for the CEO. We're going to talk about

740
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: this documentary which I watched over the weekend.

741
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 4: It was good. We'll get into it. Okay, we'll be

742
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 4: right back.

743
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Brief Recess. We're going to get into

744
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: under Oath. We're going to do a deep dive with

745
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: our good friend of the podcast, Seth Porges. We're going

746
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: to talk about Santa con and your incredible documentary. So

747
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: welcome back. It's great to be here.

748
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 4: Last time you.

749
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 2: Were here, we were talking about people getting shredded up

750
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: at action parks.

751
00:34:59,200 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 4: Sure we're now.

752
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 2: We're we're going to talk about people getting shredded up

753
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: as Santa Cooh.

754
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 4: Absolutely different kind of shredded.

755
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, different kind of shredded.

756
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like someone's gotten flayed alive at Santacon, right.

757
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 2: I feel like there's been some serious injuries. I feel

758
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 2: like I've witnessed that. I feel like I would know

759
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 2: about this and the problem with Santacon not to just

760
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: immediately start complaining. But I'm a New Yorker, Yeah, I'm

761
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: a total Yenta. The way that it springs up on

762
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: you like an edible, it hitch in the back of

763
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: the fucking head when you least expect it. It's right

764
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: when you're like I'm going to go buy some Christmas

765
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: ornaments or I'm going to meet up with that friend

766
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: or colleague for that holiday cocktail, and you just don't

767
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 2: happen to pass through the East Village.

768
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 4: I think there's like a direct correlation between how annoyed

769
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 4: you will be by Santacon and the likelihood you would

770
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 4: have any idea when it's going to happen.

771
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the thing, because this is what happened to me.

772
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: Anytime I've encountered Santa Coon, it's it's been completely by accident,

773
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: and now I'm like, fuck, today is it to day day?

774
00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 3: Yeah?

775
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 4: And at first, really, okay, it's one Santa it's they're

776
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 4: going to work at Macy's, you don't know. And then

777
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 4: you see the other and you're like, oh no, no, oh, no,

778
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 4: oh no, what day is it? Yeah, and it's always

779
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 4: a guy named Brian. Yeah. Yeah.

780
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: So people for who are not from New York who

781
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 2: are watching or listening, could you please explain briefly what

782
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: Santacon is.

783
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 4: Yeah. So Santa Con, which doesn't just occur in New York,

784
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 4: of course, New York's is the largest and most infamous

785
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 4: of them. Is this incredible day typically in kind of

786
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 4: early December, when up to tens of thousands of folks

787
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 4: dress like Saint Nick and invade New York City and

788
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 4: just kind of have their way with the town. The reputation,

789
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 4: of course, whether earned or not, is that they get

790
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 4: a little the botross use the fact that they're all

791
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 4: dressed the same and therefore fairly anonymous to kind of

792
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 4: be their worst cells. The reputation is it's like, you know,

793
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 4: twenty two year olds from Hoboken for the most party,

794
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 4: baby's first day drinking like that kind of thing. People

795
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 4: who may not necessarily be the best of a hold

796
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 4: in your liquor. But that's not what it always was.

797
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 4: And that's what's so fascinates to me about the whole story. Yeah,

798
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 4: it really has.

799
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I watched the documentary this weekend, and so

800
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: do you want to give a little plug for the

801
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: documentary sort of tell us about it.

802
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I just made a movie called Santa Con.

803
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 4: You can check out some of it at santacon dot

804
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 4: dot com about the secret history of Santa Coon. You know,

805
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 4: the most hated holiday in the world, which began is

806
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 4: this very, very, very different thing. And it was like

807
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 4: this Frankenstein story where these guys create this thing, totally

808
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 4: lost control of it, disowned it, and had to watch

809
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 4: it mutate into whatever it is today.

810
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: It is one of those things where you know it

811
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: is a Frankenstein monster, right, And I'm watching the documentary.

812
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: It starts out as sort of this like riot girl,

813
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 2: anti establishment proteste kind of thing where I was like,

814
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: almost like a public art performance of like a group

815
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: of twenty friends who are best friends just having a

816
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 2: blast dressed like Santa As really as a reaction to

817
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 2: capitalism in the nineties, right of the the nineties commercials

818
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: Everything is getting commodified, Christmas is for Sale. And what

819
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 2: really struck me about it when I was watching it

820
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: was I was like, wow, it kind of became the

821
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 2: thing that it was rejecting at its infancy, like they

822
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: these Santas were just kind of wandering around the Pacific

823
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 2: northwest San Francisco, causing trouble, being debatrous, and now it's

824
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 2: become a ticketed event sponsored by corporations and brought to

825
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: you by Yeah.

826
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 4: I mean, I was sort of joked that everything eventually

827
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 4: becomes Santacon. And the reason the story jumped out to

828
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 4: me was because I saw it as this, like it's

829
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 4: a life cycle of all ideas. Right, Yes, you create something,

830
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 4: the masses take hold of it, turn it into something else,

831
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 4: and you watch it before your eyes transform. And to

832
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 4: me that was like wow, Like Santa Con just feels

833
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 4: like it's about like everything in this world that we

834
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 4: you know, in shitivocation, like the way sis get corrupted

835
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 4: and manipulated, and I just couldn't stop thinking about this.

836
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 4: It's like, my goodness, Like Santacon began as this one

837
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 4: thing and it turned into something else. And then meeting

838
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 4: the people who create Santacon and then their very tortured

839
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 4: relationship with what had become was so fascinating to me

840
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 4: because if I were them, and what my initial thought

841
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 4: about what their response to modern Santacon would be would

842
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 4: be absolute, discussed and maybe even anger at it. But

843
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 4: that's actually not the case, and I think what their

844
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 4: attitude is way more interesting and mature, because you know,

845
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 4: we can see the things we love, maybe even the

846
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 4: things we created the world around us transform, and what

847
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 4: do you do. Do you just get really angry and

848
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 4: yearn for days gone by and say f this and

849
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 4: burn it all down? Or do you say, all right,

850
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 4: this thing isn't for me anymore. That's cool. I'm going

851
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 4: to be over here doing something else cool. And that

852
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 4: was their attitude. I was so blown away by that

853
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 4: because right now, I think a lot of people just

854
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 4: experience the world and they're like, I don't get this

855
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 4: any more, and the easy response is just to be

856
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 4: really angry pissed off and miserable, and instead of that,

857
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 4: you can also be like, you know what, I'm just

858
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 4: going to continue to try to build new things, and

859
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 4: that really I love that. Yeah.

860
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: Let me let me ask you, when you decided that

861
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: you were going to do this, was there anybody who

862
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: had been a part of it originally who was just like,

863
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: you know what, No, I don't want to talk to

864
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: you about it.

865
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 4: You know, we had a lot of people in our film,

866
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 4: kind of all the early creators, and some of them

867
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 4: are more camera shy than others, but I think, you know,

868
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 4: these were all a tight knit group of friends. It

869
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 4: was a group called the Cacophony Society. Yeah. It was

870
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 4: sort of these like Anarco prankster, post Dada folks who

871
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 4: would just basically do random stuff and none of it

872
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 4: was created with the intent of maybe ever happening again

873
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 4: or being a business or any of this sort of stuff.

874
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 4: But every once in a while they would create something

875
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 4: that for some reason or another just kind of like

876
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 4: just took off. So they also created Burning Men. As

877
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 4: you guys know and say, a very similar trajectory happening

878
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 4: in Burning Man is different types of people start to

879
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 4: come to your the identity of the event changes for

880
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 4: better or for worse. I'm not going to pass judgment

881
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 4: on that over there. And these guys, you know, they

882
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 4: they sort of saw their their baby change that people.

883
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 4: You know, there's a couple folks who maybe would have

884
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 4: liked to go on camera, just did a scheduling or logistics.

885
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 4: You can never get everybody, but I mean, but I

886
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 4: think we got everybody we really want. Yeah.

887
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, as you're making this movie, right, I mean what

888
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: were some of the challenges, right, I mean you when

889
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 2: I was watching it, I was like, wow, he really

890
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: had to film in a lot of different places. You

891
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 2: attended Santa Con in New York.

892
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, before you were doing this. Had you been

893
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: ever been a Santacon participant?

894
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 4: No? I mean like you I had stepped outside and

895
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 4: then realized, I guess, like in a way, you know,

896
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 4: like street theater, the folks on the street are part

897
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 4: of the performance, whether they like it or not. Right, Yeah,

898
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 4: and reaction as part of that. Honestly. Yeah, that's like

899
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 4: a big thing that really drew me in about the

900
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 4: archival footage of the early Santa Cons. Wasn't the Santas

901
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 4: themselves were necessarily acting that different. They're always a little

902
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,959
Speaker 4: old natty. You know. It's the people around them because

903
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 4: nobody had ever seen this before, right, and so their

904
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 4: faces have this sense of joy and want.

905
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 3: We are much more amused, yeah.

906
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: And sort of excited about it. And I feel like,

907
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: if you were to do.

908
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 4: It now, yeah, I've seen the joke is old.

909
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: Joke is old, but it's not just the joke is old,

910
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: but also like, oh, this is just going to be disgusting.

911
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 4: I want to we know what this is and we don't.

912
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 1: Like what exactly exactly.

913
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so you know, making this film, what really

914
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 4: made the film possible was this archival footage. You know,

915
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 4: this This movie started because I ran into my old

916
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 4: friend Scott Biale at a bar, like December twenty twenty

917
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 4: one maybe, and somehow Santakon comes up and he kind

918
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 4: of looked a bummed out. I'm like, what's up and

919
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 4: he's like, yeah, Santa Con is coming up. I'm like,

920
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 4: I know it's the worst, going to lock myself up

921
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 4: that day and he's like, nasath, you don't get it.

922
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 4: I was there when my friends and I started this thing,

923
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 4: and what it's become. I just I wrapped my heads

924
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 4: around it. And I know this guy for like more

925
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 4: than a decade. I'm like like, pause, rewind, what are

926
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 4: you talking about? Wow? And he started telling me how

927
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 4: he and his friends that started Santa Con had also

928
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 4: been involved with Burning Man's creation, and how this group

929
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 4: Cacofne Society was also the real life inspiration for Fight

930
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 4: Club and Project Mayhem, and I was like, wait, this

931
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 4: is crazy, all of these cultural touch points the same people.

932
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 4: And then he said the thing that really blew my mind,

933
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 4: which is that he personally had video recorded several of

934
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 4: the early years, and he offered to show me this footage.

935
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 4: And it really was like the entirety of the early

936
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 4: Santa Kan years, from beginning to end, come to life,

937
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 4: and it was so immersive and transportive, and I felt

938
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 4: like I was traveling back in time to the nineteen nineties.

939
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 4: Nobody's got their cell phones out right.

940
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: It was very cool, really was. If you haven't seen it,

941
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 2: and it's going to be premiering.

942
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean so we've been playing at a film festival,

943
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 4: still figuring out wider distribution. Hopefully it'll be out in

944
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 4: a place the world can see it this next Christmas.

945
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: I got a chance to watch it thanks to say,

946
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: but it's the archival footage really makes it right. You

947
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 2: get to see you felt like you were there with them. Yeah,

948
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: you really felt like you were a part of this

949
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: group of friends. I mean it's it was very well structured,

950
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: and I could see you absolutely manipulating it from behind

951
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: the scenes to make it really The interviews with people, yeah,

952
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: we're just like so, and.

953
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: They were so good, And I loved seeing the reactions

954
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: of the people who were like trying to explain to

955
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: us what they had been thinking when they were doing this,

956
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: and they're just like, well, that's not what it is anymore.

957
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 4: And also how they don't necessarily all agree. Like to

958
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 4: some of them it might have been like this protesting

959
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 4: of commercialism and capitalism Christmas, but to others it was

960
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 4: just the point was that it had no meaning. It's

961
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 4: a piece of absurdism and the reality.

962
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: The one story of the one Santa they went to

963
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: I think Portland, ye or maybe La and he wore

964
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: the same Santa outfit for like three days. So after

965
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: setting it on fire on fire, it melted to a

966
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: skin and he warred for three or four days and

967
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: got on the planet and blew home in the Santa suit.

968
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 4: That's the Great Reverend Al And so he would do

969
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 4: this thing where at the end of Portland in nine

970
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 4: seventy six, he stood on stage at this event and

971
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 4: he just basically says, I'm so filled with Christmas spirit

972
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 4: that I just might explode. And then he sets up

973
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 4: a bunch of cheap fireworks firecrackers in his Santa suit

974
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 4: and the whole thing just like goes ablaze in this

975
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 4: indoor venue, all caught on tape. I really need to

976
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 4: stay away from cheap Chinese produced suits that are made

977
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 4: out of plastics. And it just melted to his skin.

978
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 4: And he just flies back to La with this Santa

979
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 4: suit melted to his skin, because why not.

980
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: And then there's there's this one other gentleman in it

981
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 2: who was a postal worker.

982
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, he was my favorite.

983
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 2: Like the dog's barking because I'm laughing so loud. My

984
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 2: husband's in the other room confused about what's going on.

985
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 2: And there is a postal worker who in the nineties,

986
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: for those of you who don't know, postal workers.

987
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 4: Were this series of mass murders, Yes, series of mass.

988
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: Murderers, and that's where the term going postal comes from.

989
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a lot. It's so funny to me, Like.

990
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: They were shootings in the nineties. Yeah, and so this

991
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 2: guy was a postal worker and he seemed to be.

992
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 4: He reveled in the reputation.

993
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And he.

994
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: Really leaned into it and bos and be like, don't

995
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 2: make me go postal. Don't make me shoot you. Yeah,

996
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: don't make me go I'm going to go post so crazy, and.

997
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 4: He's just walking through the giant guns. He started a

998
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 4: camp at burning Man called the Disgruntled Postal Workers Union,

999
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 4: where they all wear their uniforms and walk around guns.

1000
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 4: And he just kind of leaned into the iconography, which

1001
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 4: I think he said, like, you know, there's a certain

1002
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 4: amount of fear that he translated as respect.

1003
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: And in the film you have footage of him at

1004
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: like a shooting range like a bunch of other kinds

1005
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: of Santa suits.

1006
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: They wouldn't fire him from the goddamn Postal Service because

1007
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: they're afraid.

1008
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 4: He was going to come back and kill everybody.

1009
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I was dying during that. But I

1010
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: I cried during your documentary. I literally cried at the

1011
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: Santacon movie because it ended up being like a really heartfelt,

1012
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 2: touching story about friendship and friends throughout the decades. And

1013
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 2: I was like bringing booking you to come on this

1014
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: show to talk with me and my best friend for

1015
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: a million years, and it was just like it was

1016
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: just like very touching, like you really brought a full

1017
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: circle around to this group of friends and what they started.

1018
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: And I think it could have quickly become a capitalism

1019
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 2: as bad and like this is these are the pitfalls

1020
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: of capitalism and how it sort of gobbles up everything

1021
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 2: and like attacks everything that's pure. But I think that's

1022
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 2: like a really obvious read, Like I don't think you

1023
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: need to tell us that, And I think it was

1024
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 2: and ended up being not to like spoil it for people,

1025
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 2: but there was this really shocking, surprising emotional thread through

1026
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: it that not to do any spoilers, but that was

1027
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: really unexpected for me.

1028
00:47:58,560 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 4: I appreciate that.

1029
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's surprising for you as well.

1030
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 4: This Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, something happened during

1031
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 4: filming that we didn't expect that sort of played out.

1032
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 4: And it's a movie it largely takes place in the nineties,

1033
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 4: wen't really even thinking about like present day developments. Yeah,

1034
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 4: but something happened to one of our main characters that

1035
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 4: really recontextualize everything and allowed us to think, really make

1036
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 4: the movie about something different. Yeah, you know, and it

1037
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 4: was it was kind of amazing, and we're really glad

1038
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 4: we're able to capture that.

1039
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 2: But as a documentary filmmaker, you have to be ready

1040
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: for that, right, yes, and being open to it is

1041
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 2: what's going to make the film great rather than good.

1042
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 2: And just taking that and using that as a part

1043
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 2: of the story just like really drove it forward in

1044
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 2: a new direction. You have to be ready for that

1045
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: kind of stuff.

1046
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 4: And you also have to be you know, cognizant about

1047
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 4: whatever emotions might be out there and how raw they

1048
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 4: might be for people involved, you know, because it's always

1049
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 4: a fun line about wanting to capture things without putting

1050
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 4: people out there in a way that maybe later won't

1051
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 4: they won't love or feel comfortable with.

1052
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean this is like a more

1053
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 2: fun version exam bole. But there was someone who was

1054
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 2: not on camera in this documentary who was talking about

1055
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: sleeping with a guy in a Santa suit. She just

1056
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 2: wanted to ymous.

1057
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, she wanted to tell her story, but not sort

1058
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: of be the story.

1059
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: I'm willing to go on the record today and say

1060
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 2: that it was me.

1061
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 4: Yes, so I knew it not even there. It's like

1062
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 4: we can put the name down and it's not like

1063
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 4: you know who they are. It's way funnier if you

1064
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 4: just say anonymous Santa, you know.

1065
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: And like, although there were like so many little things

1066
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 1: that just were like so they just sort of were

1067
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: so funny, super amusing. Like you remember the guy's name

1068
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: who shaved his beard, John Law? Yeah, yeah, and so

1069
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: you were like, it's him shaved.

1070
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 4: Beard like he did. We did more than one interview

1071
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 4: with him, and in the first interview he looks like

1072
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 4: Santa has this big beard. And then we interviewed him

1073
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 4: again and there's no beard, and I'm trying to footge

1074
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 4: people and people are like, wait, that's the same time. Ye,

1075
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 4: Like you literally can't tell. And then they get to

1076
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 4: end the movie. I just realized I was the same guy.

1077
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 4: He's like one of our main characters. So we had

1078
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 4: the label like, yeah, it's the same guy he shaved

1079
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 4: his beard.

1080
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: But like it makes it funnier, do you know what

1081
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean.

1082
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it's a little bit of attitude kind of

1083
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 4: sprinkling it so we brought you on the show.

1084
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 2: But I was like, we got to get seth because

1085
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 2: Santa coom was in the headline. Santasine's in the news

1086
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 2: and it's April. It is it's not Christmas. Christmas is

1087
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 2: in here, and Santa Coon's in the news because the

1088
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 2: CEO was just brought up on fraud charges and I

1089
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 2: wanted to talk to you about it. I wanted to

1090
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 2: do you are you aware of Stephan Stephan Pildas. He's

1091
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 2: allegedly misled attendees and businesses marketing Santacon and misused the

1092
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: funds that were supposed to be going towards the nonprofit

1093
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: of Santacon, which is supposed to be helping children kids.

1094
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 4: I think, who knows? I mean, yeah, I'm aware. I

1095
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 4: mean this is the thing about this, and this is

1096
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 4: like such a distinction that is really important to make

1097
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 4: is the original people when they started Santa Coon, it

1098
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 4: was never a business, It was never a trademark, It

1099
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 4: was ever piece of IP, it was ever a brand.

1100
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 4: It was an idea and it came of age kind

1101
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 4: of when the Internet became the Internet as we know it,

1102
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 4: and it spread and as it spread, people said, oh

1103
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 4: I can start my own Santa Con, and they did

1104
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 4: so Santa Con started popping up all over the world.

1105
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 4: As the original creators, who would you know, create this open,

1106
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 4: open thing that anybody could do, you know, by design,

1107
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 4: they never wanted control of it. But part of seeding

1108
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 4: controlled the world is accepting that sometimes the world to

1109
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 4: do weird things with your with your ideas, right, And

1110
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 4: so the you know, this Santa Con and this organization

1111
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 4: and this organizer of course have nothing to do with

1112
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 4: the original folks to do. I just want to make

1113
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 4: sure it's very very clear here. And so this this

1114
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 4: is about the New York City Santacon, which is again

1115
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 4: the biggest, the most infamous, the largest, what most people

1116
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 4: think of when they when they think of Santa Con.

1117
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 4: And yeah, the headlines, you know, and the press release

1118
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 4: coming from the FBI, which I guess this is the

1119
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 4: biggest thing they have to worry about these days for

1120
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 4: some reason, you know, is like yeah, he he, you know,

1121
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 4: this guy allegedly created some like shell companies and was

1122
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 4: some money. But the thing that like a bunch of

1123
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 4: I was on some really funny texts with some of

1124
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 4: the original standas. After this happened, they had some really

1125
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 4: fun emojis to send me after this, the arms up

1126
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 4: and the air, like what that kind of kind of

1127
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 4: emogis going on? And you know, one of them text

1128
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 4: me something which is like super true, which is like

1129
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 4: there's a lot of scammy nonprofits out there. Oh yeah, yeah, An,

1130
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 4: you don't need to create shell companies in funnel money around.

1131
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 4: Just pay yourself a giant salary like most of them do. Yeah,

1132
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 4: and that's true. It's like weird. It's like, I don't

1133
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 4: know what this guy Dare don't do. I'd actually don't

1134
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 4: know him personally. I'm not going to accuse him of anything,

1135
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 4: but if these allegations are true, it's like, come on, dude,

1136
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 4: just do whatever the other scamming nonprofit does and pay

1137
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 4: yourself a giant salary. You don't need to go through

1138
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 4: all these machinations exactly.

1139
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I was just I thought the same thing

1140
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: when I saw that. I was like, this is just

1141
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 2: such a splashy headline. Yeah, this wasn't even Malfi's and

1142
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 2: some an extraordinary degree a million true right exactly, yeah, yeah,

1143
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 2: which I mean, honestly, the person power that it took

1144
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 2: to investigate this at the FBI must have been extraordinary.

1145
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 4: It's like we're making no judgments about the FBI's priorities,

1146
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 4: right none.

1147
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 3: Everything is great.

1148
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 2: Hotel is like rolled up on a float.

1149
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 4: Did he? I don't want to end up on a

1150
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 4: list by even talking about him, but I'm already on it.

1151
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 4: So you tell me what you want me to say.

1152
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 4: What's over under and him having gone to Santa God,

1153
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 4: oh my god in the past three years.

1154
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 3: Oh honey, no cash? Oh honey.

1155
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was organized.

1156
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean, I'll say what I want,

1157
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: but I feel like that there's any debauchery going on.

1158
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: He's probably there, right, I mean right now.

1159
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: I mean they literally he's He just sued fifty million

1160
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 2: dollars because of an article about him being wasted and

1161
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: missing all these meetings.

1162
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 4: And they needed like.

1163
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 2: A battery, a battery ram to get through a hotel

1164
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 2: door where he passed out.

1165
00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 4: Most Santa con coded FBI director since I mean only

1166
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 4: more than than Muler, probably more than Comy, Like I

1167
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 4: think this guy's if we're gonna get ranking, FBI director

1168
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 4: is by likelihood of going to Santa con CJ put

1169
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 4: a scale up on.

1170
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 2: The there's the sexuality spectrum, but there's also the spectrum

1171
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 2: is a spectrum. Yeah, it's beautiful. And you know what

1172
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 2: the thing about spectrums, you're on it no matter what,

1173
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: even if you're all the way one end of zero,

1174
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 2: you're still part of them.

1175
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1176
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: So, and that's what's beautiful about really. Yeah, it's the

1177
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 2: fabric of society and it's.

1178
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 4: A beautiful red side of the Santa rainbow, you know.

1179
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 2: And that fabric is sometimes synthetic red.

1180
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: And we'll go up in flames to just melt on

1181
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: your body and someone.

1182
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 2: Who has been there with that level of alcohol intoxication myself,

1183
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: it's okay, it's fine, it's fine, it's okay. I've never

1184
00:54:55,640 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 2: been to Xanacon. I have partied like that in my life.

1185
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 4: It's great. Why I have? I had a blessed fawn,

1186
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 4: really fun memory. Yeah, Saint Patrick's Day, Yeah, come on,

1187
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 4: come on?

1188
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, where do you see Santa Kun going? As are

1189
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 2: a resident expert Santa Kon? Like what's next for Santa Kon?

1190
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 4: Right? Every year?

1191
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: It's because I do feel like, at least as someone

1192
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: deep in his thirties, it is becoming forty, it is

1193
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 2: becoming a little song of ice and fire where we

1194
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 2: have like the two worlds colliding of the twenty year

1195
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 2: old olds from Hoboken determined to piss themselves and get

1196
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 2: in a fight. And then we have like the thirty

1197
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 2: something year olds who have kids who are trying to

1198
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 2: just like get through December alive. Where is there going

1199
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,919
Speaker 2: to be a civil war? Like what do you see

1200
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 2: on the season four?

1201
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 4: Is it a race riot?

1202
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 2: Like?

1203
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 4: What is a it's a question? So so Santa Coon,

1204
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, of course the thing like somebody

1205
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 4: ask me like this the end of Sanak Like no,

1206
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 4: of course, it's it's yeah, like, first of all, is

1207
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 4: anybody you ask a thousand Santa as a Santacon who's

1208
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 4: the head of this? I don't know.

1209
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 2: You don't even know that they don't have to pay

1210
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 2: to a nonprofit teche.

1211
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't even know. They're just like it's a wristband,

1212
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 4: it's a party who cares. If anything, it probably makes

1213
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 4: it like a little more transgressive, like we're going to

1214
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 4: the scammy thing. We're going to the con like we're

1215
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 4: all watching the documentaries about cons. We love this stuff.

1216
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 4: It's like your your front row seat at the con

1217
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 4: at the scam right there. Absolutely, you know, And if

1218
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 4: you're a kid coming in from Hoboken and you're like, oh, what,

1219
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 4: like five dollars from my wristband isn't going to this

1220
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 4: thing that I was told was you never heard the

1221
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 4: fine prints?

1222
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, Yeah.

1223
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1224
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: Has Santacon been trademarked?

1225
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 4: Well, that's you know, when when the original creators created

1226
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 4: it was designed to be this big open thing. Now

1227
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 4: I think there's you know, don't quote me on this,

1228
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 4: but I think there are certain like organizations and groups

1229
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 4: and local perhaps in New York one who have their

1230
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 4: own trademarks associated with this, and I am sure that

1231
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 4: some of them have attempted to own various aspects of this.

1232
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 4: But when these guys create it, the whole point.

1233
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 3: To make it open, yeah, everybody.

1234
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 4: Or Also, it was never something I was supposed to

1235
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 4: repeat itself. It was like a coffee society would create

1236
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 4: these like one off things and then all right, the

1237
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 4: next year they decided to do it again, and the

1238
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 4: next year they decided to do it again, and next

1239
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 4: thing you know, it kind of goes viral and like

1240
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 4: other people are are doing it, and it was sort

1241
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 4: of like this proto flash mob. When I started, like

1242
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 4: the term flash mob didn't even exist but that's basically

1243
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 4: what it was. I want to ask you about Coachella. Sure,

1244
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 4: have you been following what's happening with Coachella at all?

1245
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 4: I'm happy to do it quick, brill and friend.

1246
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, similar to Burning Man, similar to Santacon, Coachella

1247
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 2: was once this pure thing that then got corrupted by

1248
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 2: the wrong one of the wrong type of person goes,

1249
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 2: and then it becomes that type of group of people

1250
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 2: go and a lot of influencers go, and it's now

1251
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 2: become a little bit of like oversaturated, late stage capitalistic healthscape. Right,

1252
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 2: We're like putting branding on branding on branding, and it's.

1253
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 4: Branding brought to you by this brandy exactly, and it's

1254
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 4: and it was supposed to just be like this fun

1255
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 4: concert out in the desert, and now it's become just

1256
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 4: like ridiculous, and brands are flying influencers out, and so

1257
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 4: this past year and it's still kind of ongoing, these

1258
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 4: influencers that were flown out were getting really ragged on

1259
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 4: for like taking the free seat from Starbucks to go.

1260
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 2: And do the Coachella thing. And I do feel like

1261
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 2: the coolness and the exclusivity of Coachella.

1262
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: It's gone is gone.

1263
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 4: No one wants to go.

1264
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 2: It was probably ten years ago, but now it's like

1265
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 2: I don't even think the influencers are going to want

1266
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 2: to go because so many people got shipped for it

1267
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 2: this year.

1268
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 4: Well that when these things the problem is like like

1269
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 4: the modicum of cool that people are taking to capitalize on.

1270
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 4: You've got to keep that spark alive somehow. When you

1271
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 4: totally you put that blanket on the on the fire,

1272
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 4: which is what happens with all of these things. You know,

1273
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 4: eventually brands don't even want to be a part of it, right.

1274
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 2: You know, it's just becomes it becomes so oversaturated and

1275
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 2: to be too available. There's no exclusivity anything.

1276
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: It's just so watered down at this point that it's there.

1277
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: It's it's just not cool anymore. I mean, I can't

1278
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: tell you how many times like this, just randomly scrolling

1279
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: on social media to see like and it's always like

1280
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: the same kind of come with me, and you know,

1281
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: while I do, you know, this is my clothing hall

1282
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: for Coachella, and you know, and.

1283
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 4: It's but what is like New York magaz I think

1284
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 4: where it's like the backlash the white girl voice is

1285
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 4: so good come with me. New York Magazine does the

1286
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 4: thing where it's like like the backlash and the backlash

1287
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 4: of the backlash. I think we're in like the backlash

1288
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 4: era of Coachella, and maybe in a couple of years

1289
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 4: it will be the backlash of the backlash and it

1290
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 4: goes so it becomes so uncool it becomes cool again.

1291
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 2: But I also think the reason why Santacon has been

1292
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 2: been impervious to that uncool cancelation is because to go

1293
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 2: is kind of cringe, Like to do this is kind

1294
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 2: of cringe your your The the concept of it is

1295
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 2: you're already going in without any self consciousness. People are

1296
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 2: going to Coachello because they want to look cool, yea.

1297
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 2: They want to be like, oh my god. And same

1298
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 2: with burning them where they're like painting their faces. They

1299
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 2: kind of want to appear like a bad ass.

1300
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 4: It also costs a lot of money to go to Coachello,

1301
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 4: ass and Santacon. You can get a Santa suit for

1302
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 4: like fifteen bucks on Amazon and a path train ride

1303
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 4: the Hobok and you're.

1304
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 3: Say, you know, exactly exactly.

1305
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 2: Like it is still and it does kind of hold

1306
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 2: that thread of the original concept, which is like we are.

1307
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 2: There is this anarchistic there is element.

1308
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 4: And you know, I will say, like the folks involved

1309
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 4: with the modern Sanacon who I did deal with, we're

1310
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 4: all awesome and like super nice, and a lot of

1311
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 4: them were kind of people who've been there for a

1312
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 4: long time, and you know, we're just like kind of

1313
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Speaker 4: resilient in their desire to have fun, understanding that the

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01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 4: world is endlessly shitting on what they do, you know,

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01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 4: And I got to get off some people who are like,

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01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 4: We're going to do this thing no matter what the

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01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 4: late night comics say, no matter what we can update

1318
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 4: says about us, no matter what, you know, they know

1319
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 4: everybody hates Santa Con, right, and to still do it.

1320
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 4: It's like, it's kind of kind of cool that we

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01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 4: do that.

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Speaker 2: Always said that about my podcasting career, and I really

1323
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,479
Speaker 2: and it is something that makes me feel a strong

1324
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 2: affinity for Santa Con. Could you tell us maybe some

1325
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 2: of the most horrific debatras things that you uncovered about

1326
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 2: Santakan stories, maybe from the past, present, future Santa Klan's.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the real joy of making this film was

1328
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 4: going through all this archival footage from the early Santa

1329
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:35,919
Speaker 4: CON's in the nineties, and the bulk of the film

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01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 4: takes place in these four years ninety five through ninety

1331
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 4: eight and four different cities, as the original creators start

1332
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 4: Santa Coon and San Francisco and then bring it to

1333
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 4: other cities one year at a time in each city,

1334
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 4: like the Johnny Appleseeds of Mayhem, spreading it across the land.

1335
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 4: City go from San Francisco to Portland to La end

1336
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 4: up in New York in ninety eight, and that's kind

1337
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 4: of the last year a lot of the original creators

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01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 4: went was ninety eight New York by then was the

1339
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 4: first year was in New York, and then by then

1340
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 4: it just sort of was spreading, had a life of

1341
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 4: its own. But some of the stuff we caught on camera,

1342
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 4: which you saw in the film, I like, pot, I'm

1343
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 4: like watching the footge I'm like wait, wait, what was that?

1344
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 4: Like they're just walking on Fifth Avenue and they run

1345
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 4: into Michael Moore for some reason, and Michael Moore thinks

1346
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 4: they're protesting consumerism and Christmas and starts leading them in

1347
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 4: these like anti capitalist Christmas carols that he's like improvising

1348
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 4: on the spot, and it's hilarious and yes, kind of

1349
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 4: cringe and kind of beautiful and amazing. Yeah, it's like white.

1350
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 4: Just the Michael Moore just manifests for some reason. It's

1351
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 4: like you say his name four times and yeah that

1352
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 4: was what he was like, yeah, and it's like that's

1353
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 4: Michael Moore. And then the nineteen ninety eight New York sequence,

1354
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 4: the very first year it was in New York. It

1355
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 4: kind of culminates with several of the Santas, including our

1356
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 4: main character John, climbing the Brooklyn Bridge as Santa like

1357
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 4: with the shadow of the World Trade Center behind them

1358
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 4: in this deathifying stunt that it's like, I don't know

1359
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 4: what the statute of limitations is then climbing to Brooklyn Bridge,

1360
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 4: but he had no problem talking about it. So yeah,

1361
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 4: it's over as a legal expert. It's definitely not thirty

1362
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 4: years no, no, yeah, so it's good. It's pre nine eleven.

1363
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,479
Speaker 4: You could do whatever you want back then. Yeah.

1364
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, thank you for coming on the show and

1365
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 2: talking about Santacon any other groups that you're really going to.

1366
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 2: You've already done Action park Justed santakn.

1367
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 4: I mean you can yeah, you can still see class

1368
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 4: Action parking mine on hox. How to drop a Bank.

1369
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,959
Speaker 4: Another movie I Made's on Netflix, Santacon hopefully coming soon.

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01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 4: You can check out infoence Santacon dot dot com. And

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01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 4: you know, honestly, if you've always got leads about cool

1372
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 4: stuff and when I'm into reach out to me, Yeah,

1373
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 4: you people have gotten a sense a bit. Yeah, you

1374
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 4: get sort of focused on.

1375
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the best way?

1376
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 4: Uh, you can find me on social you too gorgeous?

1377
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, next one, just like a request for a documentary

1378
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 2: if you could do. Pablo Escobar's zoo always had hippos,

1379
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 2: the hippos, the hippos. I think that could be really

1380
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 2: cool if you want to go global. I think that

1381
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 2: could be an interesting angled because the hippos are now

1382
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 2: destroying the ecosystem. But there's all this tourism.

1383
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 1: And I love this story so much. Yes, the people

1384
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: in the area are now using the hippos as a

1385
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: way to make money. Hey, do you want to come

1386
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: see Pablo's hippos.

1387
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 3: Here they go. But the hippos are making havoc.

1388
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: They're killing people, and like apparently their scot is super

1389
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: toxic to the area.

1390
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 3: I would love to know.

1391
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 4: In terms of like animals to mess with. Hippo is

1392
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 4: at the bottom of the list. Do not mess with they.

1393
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: Know they will, but I kind of love them, Yeah

1394
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: I do. I'm obsessed with them. Yeah they're they're not carnivores.

1395
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: They'll just kill you because they want to. Oh yeah, yeah,

1396
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: which I kind of love.

1397
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 2: So beautiful. It's such a great trait to have them.

1398
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: I feel like my next tattoo is going to be

1399
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: a hippo with the open mouth.

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Speaker 3: I love them.

1401
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,479
Speaker 2: We're going to take a break. Thank you for coming

1402
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:50,959
Speaker 2: on the show.

1403
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 4: Thank you, Seth's good to see you. Great to be there.

1404
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1405
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 2: So we'll be right back. Welcome back to Brief Recess.

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01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 2: This is tells from the DMS. These are all the weird, freaky,

1407
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 2: nast things y'all send me in my DMS.

1408
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 3: Everybody, remember what I always say.

1409
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: While Michael is a lawyer, he's not your lawyer, so

1410
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: you should probably get your own.

1411
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 3: Okay, so sorry.

1412
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: This is a review from I Need More Sleep same.

1413
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: This pod is like a brunch hangover. You really can't speak,

1414
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: but you enjoy sitting there with your fives listening to

1415
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: them talk ish as they keep you updated on the latest.

1416
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: Melisten and Michael are hilarious and definitely worth a listen. Thanks,

1417
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: I need more sleep so much.

1418
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 2: I had a brunch hangover. It's about ten years ago.

1419
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 3: Okay, you still remember it? Somethingover bad? Okay.

1420
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 2: So it was when I was dating the coach of

1421
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 2: my swim team, where I was then asked to leave

1422
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 2: the swim team and stayed over. It was the first

1423
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 2: time I stayed over at his house and we had

1424
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,439
Speaker 2: just been hooking up. I stayed over at his house

1425
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 2: and I didn't sleep at all because I just wasn't

1426
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 2: used to sleeping in like a stranger's. And okay, I

1427
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 2: think it was like and it was very I forget

1428
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 2: the neighborhood. I want to say it was like flat

1429
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 2: Iron or something. Anyway, we go to brunch the next day.

1430
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 2: He tells me that he's struggling with religion. What's the struggle,

1431
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 2: proceeds to break up with me at Friedman's on thirtieth

1432
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 2: Street in the Flower District.

1433
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: How many drinks in.

1434
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 2: A couple mimosas in. He decides to tell me he

1435
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 2: has a Catholic relapse and is feeling guilty about all

1436
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 2: the gay sex, all the gay stuff. I was like,

1437
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 2: we are like deep in our twenties. This isn't like

1438
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 2: high school anymore. And now, and let me tell you,

1439
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 2: I haven't been back to Friedman since.

1440
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 3: Well he ruined it for you.

1441
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, his name was Neil. I'm willing to go on

1442
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 2: the record. I'm not scared. I'm not scared of someone

1443
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 2: who can swim at.

1444
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 3: L which Neil and el Oh yeah, interesting, he spelled.

1445
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 2: It weird and he was fucking freaking yeah.

1446
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: There you go, Ben, here's another email. I think it's funny.

1447
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: I tried real hard to listen to the Peda episode.

1448
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: I tried fast forwarding through some of it and finally

1449
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 1: had to give up. I can't handle the catholic guilt.

1450
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: The description of what is done to animals gives me

1451
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 1: I am no longer Catholic, but the guilt never leaves.

1452
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 2: The guilt of what she's done to animals.

1453
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: The guilt's there's a lot of Catholic guilt anything, everything,

1454
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 1: oh everything.

1455
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 2: Okay, I should know better because swim coach.

1456
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 3: Well, there you got.

1457
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 4: I was the victim of a dumping because of it.

1458
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 1: So they go on to say I did start donating

1459
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: to PETA. I'm sure they really appreciate it. The episode

1460
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 1: made me realize they aren't the crazy organization. I thought

1461
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 1: they were, but any communication from them goes straight in

1462
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: the trash in real life or virtual.

1463
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 2: Oh that's okay, Yeah, I spam people. I do the

1464
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 2: spam all.

1465
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1466
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1467
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: So the question is my question is for Melissa, do

1468
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: you still wear your vent first after that episode? So

1469
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: the answer is going to be yes. I don't think

1470
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: I have warned them since.

1471
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 4: Then, but it's been warm.

1472
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: But it's been warm, which is why I'm still gonna

1473
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: wear them. But but I know that I'm not going

1474
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: to buy any new ones, vintage or new. I the

1475
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 1: reason why I'm keeping the ones that I have. One

1476
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: of them especially belonged to a relative of mine who

1477
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: passed away, and it has got.

1478
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 3: A lot of sentimental value.

1479
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 1: No, I think it's fine too. And I also know

1480
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: that I remember when she bought it, and she was

1481
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: so proud and so happy that I I don't think

1482
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: that I could give it away.

1483
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,600
Speaker 2: It's like Karma points right, It's like you're going to

1484
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 2: do that, but you're going to eat the coconut yogurt,

1485
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 2: you know. It's like it's it can be a little

1486
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 2: bit of a swap sea It's it's up to you

1487
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 2: and your own personal sort of values, right, I gonna

1488
01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 2: continue wearing like leather boots.

1489
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't realized that.

1490
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 1: She went on, I have one that was gifted to me,

1491
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: and I don't know how I feel about it. After

1492
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: listening to a little bit of the episode that I

1493
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 1: could stomach, I've learned so much from listening to Brief Recess.

1494
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,480
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for keeping us informed and entertained.

1495
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 1: Thanks Karen so Yeah, as I say, Karen, yea, do

1496
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: what feels right for you if you don't feel right

1497
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:18,680
Speaker 1: wearing it.

1498
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 2: Gifted it to Karen, right, and let us know, was

1499
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 2: it your swim coach?

1500
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 4: Was it?

1501
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 1: Like?

1502
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 2: And it depends who gifted it to you. And that's

1503
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 2: gonna yeah, because if it's got negative sentimental value, or

1504
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 2: maybe it was beloved, right, was it maybe your boyfriend

1505
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 2: who was out of content because he was a religious

1506
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 2: studies student and then right when he got out he

1507
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 2: broke up with you? Was it your swim coach?

1508
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,560
Speaker 4: Right after? Like?

1509
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 2: Who?

1510
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:47,759
Speaker 4: Was it? Just curious?

1511
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: Do you think, now you're a married man, do you

1512
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: think it is in poor form to keep an item

1513
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: that an ex gave you.

1514
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 2: It depends how valuable it is. If it was like

1515
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 2: a Rolex keeping that right.

1516
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: Well, what I mean, what if it's just something that

1517
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: you happen to like and forget about the person who

1518
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: gave it to you.

1519
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 4: I think it's fine.

1520
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, because when it comes to XES, there's already,

1521
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 2: especially with me, there's so much beef. There is so

1522
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 2: much bad with X that if there's just one little

1523
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 2: shrapnel piece that is has something positive to it, hang

1524
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 2: on to it, hold it close because there's.

1525
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 3: Going to be Do you have beef with most of

1526
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 3: your exes?

1527
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:39,679
Speaker 2: Not that we have like live beef where I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I got to take this. There's so much you. Nothing

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Speaker 2: has ever ended on good terms for me. There's none

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01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,719
Speaker 2: of this conscious uncoupling in my life. No, I'm Mediterranean stock.

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01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 2: Like it is. It gets vicious. Yeah right, so it's

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01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 2: scorched earth. Got So if there is some something positive,

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Speaker 2: like a nicemental value thing, do you have anything sentimental

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Speaker 2: from excess that you've kept?

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 2: I can't think of anything because most of them were

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01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 2: deadbeats who never gave me anything.

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Speaker 1: There you go, thank you so much, thank you. They

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01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 1: were riding my cotaels exactly. Remember what I said the

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01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:14,520
Speaker 1: other day, hobo sexual friends.

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Speaker 3: That is that is that is what that is. That

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01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 3: is what that is.

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01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: It's the guy who's driving you to work in your

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01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 1: car and then going home to watch Sports Center all day.

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Speaker 3: That guy, Yes, that guy.

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Speaker 2: I had to just explain to Brad what sports Center

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01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 2: was because I was like, we didn't know what it

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01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 2: was either.

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01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it sounds like.

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01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 2: A hockey rank. I'm going to sports Center.

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01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 3: Sports Center, No sounds take the place with.

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01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 4: The crane game. You know what I mean? He never

1553
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 4: went win?

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01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 3: Do you really?

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01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 4: I am very good at that game.

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01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 1: One flex the kids who get stuck in that how

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01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 1: is that happening? Am I wrong?

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01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 3: Yes?

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01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 4: You were climbing in.

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01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:00,679
Speaker 3: I'm not the only person. To me, are the only

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Speaker 3: person who see that.

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01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,679
Speaker 4: I thought you met like stuck, like trying over and over.

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01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 2: Like when you get your hands stuck in the vending machine.

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Speaker 3: OHO as a kid.

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Speaker 4: I square to good.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for watching. This is brief recess. I'm Michael Foot,

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Speaker 2: I'm Melissa Albrandt. We'll see you in court, not me.

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Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production recorded at iHeart Studios,

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Speaker 2: hosted by me Michael.

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Speaker 1: Foot and me Melissa Malbranch Our producer is CJ. Ferroni.

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Speaker 4: This episode was edited by Nicholas Galucci.

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Speaker 1: Our associate producer is Christina Chamberlain, and our guest booker

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Speaker 1: is Patria Kuttner.

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Speaker 2: Our theme song was composed by Tom Bryfogel with artwork

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Speaker 2: from Charlotte Delarue and Manessa Lilac, with photography by Brad Obono.

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Speaker 1: Brief Recess is executive produced by Karen Kilgareff, Georgia hart Stark,

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Speaker 1: and Danielle Kramer.

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Speaker 2: You can find me on Instagram at Department of Redundancy

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01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 2: Department or on TikTok at Michael foot and.

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01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 1: I'm on both Instagram and TikTok as Melissa Albranch.

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