1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: In the absence of love for America, for our way 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: of life that emanates from this wretched, lying woman cannot 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:16,159 Speaker 1: be overstated. And the disgrace of her being hired to 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: be part of NBC's quote team, according to the person 5 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: who announced the hiring, Harry Boodolph Brown, isn't just cynical, 6 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: it's utterly depraved. But hey, here's the good news. For 7 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 1: all the journalists at NBC who are risking their lives 8 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: somewhere around the world right now to report the truth, 9 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: they can rest easy knowing with Ronald McDaniel on their 10 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: team now, she'll always be ready to take one for it. 11 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: This is the warning two and twenty five days until 12 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: the American people will make a decision about the destiny 13 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: of the American nation. Today. Rona Romney McDaniel, the former 14 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, recently announced as an 15 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: analyst for NBC News and MSNBC, made her debut on 16 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: the flagship public affairs program of the network, Meet the Press, 17 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 1: hosted by Kristen Welker. Miss Welker began by saying and 18 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: disclosing that she was not involved whatsoever in the decision 19 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: to hire Rona McDaniel. 20 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: I'll be joined by former RNC chair Roni McDaniel in 21 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: her first interview since stepping down as party chair. In 22 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 2: full disclosure to our viewers, this interview was scheduled weeks 23 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: before it was announced that McDaniel would become a paid 24 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: NBC News contributor. This will be a news interview and 25 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: I was not involved in her hiring. 26 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: Second, she did not receive Rona McDaniel as a colleague, 27 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: but rather gave her a hard news interview. And during 28 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: that interview, Miss Welker destroyed Rona McDaniel's credibility. She unmasked 29 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: her completely, shattering the intellectual inconsistencies, but most importantly the lies, 30 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: the double speak, the flippancy, and any end. More than anything, 31 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: she took her to task for her utter failure of responsibility. 32 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: This is a fundamental issue in America, this concept of responsibility, 33 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: and I want to talk about it. I'm going to 34 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: explain with perfect clarity what it is that Rona McDaniel 35 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: failed to do. I'm going to talk directly about the 36 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: stench emanating by the decision by NBC News executives to 37 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: bring this liar who try to incite an insurrection to 38 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: overthrow the government in the name of Donald Trump, complicit 39 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: with him step by step should never ever again appear 40 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: on the air of NBC News. We live in an 41 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: era where trust has completely collapsed between the American people 42 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: and very nearly every single institution that you can think 43 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: to name. Among the collapse is between the American people 44 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: and the news media, who not only do Americans not trust, 45 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: but largely revile. A lot of this has been stoked 46 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: by Donald Trump and by an extremist movement that has 47 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: threatened to jail reporters, jail political opponents that is running 48 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: on a platform of seeking revenge and vengeance. Miss Welker 49 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: asked none of these questions of Rona McDaniel. She has 50 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: not yet made comment on what her views are regarding 51 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: the president's plans to take out retribution on his opponents 52 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: and half the country that he doesn't like. You see, 53 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: you can watch the clip where Rona Romney McDaniel not 54 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: so cleverly does the usual It's not a republican issue, 55 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: you see, according to her, It's a republican and democratic issue, 56 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: though so far as I can see, according to the facts, 57 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: according to reality, according to video, the political party in 58 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: the United States that was associated with mayem chaos and 59 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: violence and a massive lie aimed at the very cornerstone 60 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: of the existence of the American Republic, which is that 61 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: we assign leadership through the outcome of elections. Exists squarely 62 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: within one party, the Republican Party. McDaniel says, it's in both. 63 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 3: I don't think violence should be in our political discourse, 64 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 3: Republican or Democrat. 65 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: We live in an age where trust has completely collapsed 66 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: between the American people in most every institution you could 67 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: think to name high up on the list, of course, 68 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: or the political parties, but also the broadcast television networks, 69 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: the media as a whole. The media has been relentlessly 70 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: attacked by Donald Trump and by his extremist movement. He 71 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: has threatened to jail reporters, he has sought to intimidate them. 72 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: He has created an environment of threat and malice for 73 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: any journalist who seeks to cover his events. And it 74 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:40,239 Speaker 1: is important to understand that never once did Rona Romney 75 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: McDaniel ever say enough. Never once did she use her 76 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: platform as chairwoman of the party to speak out for 77 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: the right. And this is important because the first nominee 78 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: of the party known as the Grand Old Party. To 79 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: be elected president was Abraham Lincoln, and he talked about 80 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: these issues. And the Republican Party is the third oldest 81 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: political party in the world, like the Democratic Party. It 82 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: is one of the most important institutions in world history 83 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: for the advancement of human dignity and freedom. The Republican 84 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: Party is the party of Trump today, and so it 85 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: is the party of insurrection. And yes, indeed, Chairwoman McDaniel, 86 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: it is the party of January sixth, just like Fox 87 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: News is the network of January sixth, and Tucker Carlson 88 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: is their chief advocate. What happened on January six was 89 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: a crime against the Republic, against the US Constitution, and 90 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: against the American people. It was a coup, and it 91 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: was incited by lies. I predicted the violence, and I 92 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: predicted the coup. I did it in September of twenty twenty. 93 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: The writing was on the wall. It is no small thing, 94 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: the legitimacy of the President of the United States, which 95 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: comes from only one well spring, the outcome of a 96 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: choice that is the right of the American people. What 97 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: Donald Trump did isn't just unforgivable. It was a violent 98 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: offense against our way of life, our history, in the 99 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 1: wisdom of our founding father. Americans transferred power politically and 100 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 1: peacefully from seventeen ninety seven until early twenty twenty one, 101 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: and then it became bloodied. The peaceful transition of power 102 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: is the most important of America's traditions, and it is 103 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: America's greatest invention. Kristen Welker got right to the heart 104 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: of the matter. She asked Roona McDaniel about her lack 105 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: of trust, why people would not trust her, why some 106 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: are shocked that NBC News could have hired her. She 107 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: put the issue of credibility directly on the table. Did 108 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: Roona Romney McDaniel, as the chairwoman of the third oldest 109 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: political party in the world, an American political party, have 110 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: an obligation to stand up and to speak out? And 111 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: the answer to that question is she did. She absolutely did, 112 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: and she was absolutely derelict in that responsibility. She is 113 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: unfit at every conceivable level, as unfit as Sean Spicer, 114 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: as unfit as Kaylee mcininny, as unfit as Kelly and 115 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: Conway to work at any credible journalistic enterprise that values 116 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: truth and has standards and has rules and understands that 117 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: it has a public trust and an obligation to inform 118 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: a free people about the issues that matter. With this 119 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: passion and clarity and credibility, the scandal that is playing 120 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: out is evolving. MSNBC President Rashida Jones has already said 121 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: that Rona McDaniel will never appear on an MSNBC program, 122 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: and after today's shattering interview, I predict she will never 123 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: again appear as a colleague of any NBC journalist on 124 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: an NBC news program. Because what Rona Romney McDaniel did 125 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: is participate in a conspiracy involving one of the greatest 126 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: lies in American history. She was a party to that lie, 127 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: a contributor to the lie. She was complicit in spreading 128 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: the lie. Rona Rodney McDaniel was caught lying in a 129 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: way God forbid that if she was in a courtroom, 130 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: it is inconceivable to think that she would not be 131 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: rebuked by the judge for her dissembling and nonsensical sentences 132 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: where she tried to explain that, in fact, when she 133 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: called the Michigan election officials, she wasn't trying to subvert 134 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: a legitimate outcome in the world, that she lives in 135 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: down is up and up is down. Nothing is real. 136 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: The outrage that she was describing as threats was directed 137 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: at people who were delaying, for partisan reasons, the certification 138 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: of an election for the winner. In other words, what 139 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: Rona McDaniel is saying is the people who sought to 140 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: engage in a form of sedition to say no, we 141 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: demand power though we lost, who were putting pressure on 142 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: people with no evidence except for the powers of their 143 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: ambition to lie for power, that they must do something 144 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: that no American has done, try to burn it all 145 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: down in the name of a cult of personality to 146 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: keep a man who lost the presidency in power. Those 147 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: people were being pressured by a cabal that wanted them 148 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: to flip the script on the result of an election. 149 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: That's why people were upset. And now Rona McDaniel appears 150 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: on NBC News on the flagship program Meet the Press, 151 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: explaining in her topsy turvy view of reality that know, 152 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: in fact those people were victims. It's all madness, it's insanity. 153 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: And this is precisely what George Orwell was trying to 154 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: warn all free people about so long ago. I'm going 155 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: to go through the entirety of the interview that took 156 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: place on Meet the Press This Palm, Sunday, March twenty fourth, 157 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, two hundred and twenty five days to 158 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: the election, on the front edge of a journalism crisis. 159 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: Question by question, Let's watch Kristen Welker ask the first 160 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: two questions and watch the McDaniel answer. 161 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 2: Let's dive right into this and start with your decision 162 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: to step down as RNC chair, if you can take 163 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: me by behind the scenes a little bit. 164 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 4: Were you pushed out of your role? 165 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 3: Well, there's no question that as r and C chair 166 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 3: you have to remain neutral. And we had a primary process, 167 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 3: and so we did have debates, right, We had debates, 168 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 3: and there was tension and a little friction that started 169 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 3: during that process. It was well played out in the media. 170 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 3: And I knew at that point when I was doing 171 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 3: that role and we were going to have debates that 172 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 3: when the nominee came forward and it was likely to 173 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 3: be President Trump, that they would want to switch and 174 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 3: that's his right as nominee. 175 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 2: And so were you pushed out by him? 176 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 3: He absolutely wanted me to move aside and wanted Michael 177 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 3: Wattley and Laura Trump. 178 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 5: To come in. 179 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: It is very important to understand that Ronald McDaniel is 180 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: completely and utterly full of shit here at a five 181 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: star level. First, she was hand picked by Donald Trump 182 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: to be the R and C chairwoman back a few 183 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: years ago. At his insistence, she dropped the name Romney. Now, 184 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: let's just talk about the word neutral, neutrality, its concept 185 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: and its meaning. Like Switzerland is neutral, meaning they don't 186 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: pick sides. Ever, they stay neutral, as in even during 187 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: World War Two between the Allies and the Nazi Germans, 188 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: Switzerland wasn't involved in the fight. Rona McDaniel was involved 189 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: in the fight because she called for Nikki Haley to 190 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: withdraw from the race in the middle of the fight. 191 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: What is it that we're seeing here? What you're seeing 192 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: here is the equivalent of Kristen Welker looking at a 193 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: red chair and saying, Rona, I see a red chair. 194 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: Because there's a red chair, what do you do you see? 195 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: And Rona McDaniel explaining that, in fact, a red chair 196 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: is not red, that it's blue. And because of her neutrality, 197 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: because of her discernment, because she floated above the whole 198 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: Maga enterprise from the beginning and really wasn't part of it, 199 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: just a neutral figure over there at the party. We 200 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: can trust her. It's all nonsense. Kristen Welker, over the 201 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: course of this interview will shatter with her questioning Roni 202 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: McDaniel's credibility completely. 203 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 2: Let's talk about the election now. Donald Trump says one 204 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 2: of his first acts if he is re elected to 205 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 2: a second term, would be quote to free those charged 206 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 2: and convicted of crimes related to January sixth. Do you 207 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 2: support that? 208 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 3: I want to be very clear, the violence that happened 209 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 3: on January sixth is unacceptable. It doesn't represent our country, 210 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 3: and it certainly does not represent my party. 211 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: It does represent the Republican Party, period full stop. Because 212 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: the Republican Party is the Maga Party, and the Maga 213 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: Party incited the insurrection. This is gaslighting at an epic level. 214 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz incited the insurrection. Josh Holly incited the insurrection. 215 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green incited the insurrection. Lauren Bobert did, and 216 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: Matt Gates did, and many more did. Yes, Ronald McDaniel 217 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: put out a statement on January sixth, just like this 218 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: man Kevin McCarthy, who went tomorrow lago a week later 219 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: to rehabilitate Donald Trump, and then spent the next year 220 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: denying that the direction happened at all, that a coup 221 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: attempt was made. The Republican Party is the party that 222 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: has told us that the happy people in the Capitol 223 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: were taurus, that the attack was a false flag operation. 224 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: What party is Roger Stone affiliated with? In? What party 225 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: can Nazie nick Flints sit comfortably at the table? It 226 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: is Roni McDaniel's Republican Party. She is one of the 227 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: most unsuccessful chairs of a major party in American history 228 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: when it comes to election outcomes. But what she achieved 229 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: is historic, nonetheless, because it is RONA McDaniel who presided 230 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: over the transformation, along with her master, Donald Trump, of 231 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: the Republican Party into an American fascist party. That is 232 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: her legacy. The people that she is talking about are 233 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: convicted criminals, some of them like Stuart Rhodes, convicted of 234 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: seditious conspiracy. For her entire tenure as RNC chairman, she 235 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: has stood with absolute indifference against these people. She has 236 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: not condemned Trump a single time when he intimated violence 237 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: be used as legitimate political means, she has never spoken out. 238 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: So let's Watch. 239 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 2: Do you disagree with Trump saying he's going to free 240 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: those who've been charged. 241 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 3: I do not think people who committed violent acts on 242 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 3: January sixth should be freed. 243 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 2: So you disagree with that. He's been saying that for months, 244 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 2: I Donna, why not speak out earlier? Why just speak 245 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: out about that? 246 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 4: Now? 247 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 3: When you're the RNC chair, you kind of take one 248 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 3: for the whole team. Right now, I get to be 249 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 3: a little bit more myself. Right, This is what I believe. 250 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: Because sometimes when you're the RNC chair, you take one 251 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: for the team. Right. You lie, you participate in the coup, 252 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: You do everything you can to subvert the American way 253 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: of life and destroy the republic that's endured for almost 254 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty years because Donald Trump told you 255 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: to do so. Right. Understand, the person who just said 256 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: that can ever, ever, ever appear again on an NBC 257 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: news platform, certainly not as a quote colleague or friend 258 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: of whomever it may be that is asking them questions 259 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: and have the network maintain its credibility. That answer demonstrates 260 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: an absence of character that is staggering. The indifference is stupefying. 261 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: What L. E. Vzel talked about was that the opposite 262 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: of love is not hate, it is indifference. And the 263 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: absence of love for America, for our way of life 264 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: that emanates from this wretched, lying woman cannot be overstated. 265 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: And the disgrace of her being highired to be part 266 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: of NBC's quote team, according to the person who announced 267 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 1: the hiring, Harry Boodolph Brown isn't just cynical, it's utterly depraved. 268 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: But hey, here's the good news. For all the journalists 269 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: at NBC who are risking their lives somewhere around the 270 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: world right now to report the truth. They can rest 271 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: easy knowing with Ronald McDaniel on their team. Now she'll 272 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: always be ready to take one for it. Now, let's 273 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: watch this verbal truk. I don't think violence should be 274 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: in our political system, either Republican or Democrat. Now. First off, 275 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: because now she works for NBC News. The name of 276 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: the oldest political party in the world is not the 277 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: Democrat Party. It is the Democratic Party. And so again 278 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: we hear Ronald McDaniel talking about things like respect, about decency. 279 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: She can't even say the name of an American institution 280 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: that was led by Franklin Roosevelt's name properly. The party 281 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 1: that John Kennedy and Robert Kennedy belonged to was the 282 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: Democratic Party, and there is no violence associated with the 283 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: Democratic Party in twenty twenty four America. The Democratic Party 284 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,959 Speaker 1: doesn't have militia groups that affiliate with it, like the 285 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: Proud Boys, like the Oathkeepers. The Democratic candidate for President 286 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,719 Speaker 1: of the United States in twenty twenty didn't say, to 287 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: this man at the Oathkeepers and to the Proud Boys, 288 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: stand ready, stand back, and stand by until they attack 289 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: the capital on January sixth. There is no bomber like 290 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: Caesar Syok, who tried to assassinate Trump's political opponents. Who 291 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party is calling for retribution, calling for revenge? 292 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: Who in the Democratic Party is talking about their being 293 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: blood on the streets? Who in the Democratic Party ever 294 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: talked about punching political opponents in the face at their rallies? 295 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: Whoever talked about doing violence to reporters? This is a fiction. 296 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: It's a lie, just like the election lie. And she's 297 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: on television on a news program, the oldest public affairs 298 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: in the nation, telling that lie, not as the disgraced 299 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, but as an employe 300 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: of NBC News who can't get the name of the 301 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: Democratic Party correctly. Now, according to the senior Vice president 302 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: of News, Harry Budolph Brown, this is the voice needed 303 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: by the NBC audience right now to explain things. 304 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 2: Mitch McConnell said that Donald Trump was practically and morally 305 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 2: responsible for the attack on the Capitol. Do you agree 306 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 2: with him? 307 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 3: You know, I don't think he wanted that attack to 308 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 3: happen on the Capitol, But I will say that that 309 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 3: attack is a dark day in our history. There's nothing 310 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 3: to be proud of about that day. There's nothing that 311 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 3: we can look back and say this was good. It's 312 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 3: changed our whole country, and so I condemn what happened 313 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 3: on January sixth. Do I think he wanted that to 314 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 3: happen or push that to happen. 315 00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: I don't. 316 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 2: Well, now he seems to be very proud about it. 317 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 2: He calls it a beautiful day. 318 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: Again. 319 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 2: He's talking about freeing those who've been convicted. He if 320 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 2: you ask some of those who were convicted, they say 321 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 2: they were there because Trump asked them to be there. 322 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 2: Does he not bear to for that day? 323 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 3: The RNC was not there on January well, what. 324 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: About let's set the record straight here, Rona, the RNC 325 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: was there. They most certainly were there. You know why 326 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: they were there, Anna, I'm going to slow it down 327 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: for you. The r and C was there because Trump 328 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: incited the insurrection, the violence, and the riot. He did it. 329 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: The person who did it is the same person who 330 00:27:55,240 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: calls it a beautiful, perfect debt. It's the same person 331 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: who's promising to free the criminals that he just saluted. Again. 332 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 1: This is an example of gaslighting at an epic level. 333 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: It is positively orwellian. The question that Kristen Welker asked 334 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: is a great question. The word moral is very rarely 335 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 1: used in a question posed by a reporter to a 336 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: politician moral responsibility. Donald Trump doesn't bear all of the responsibility, 337 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,719 Speaker 1: but he bears the moral responsibility. It was the Trump 338 00:28:52,840 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: insurrection and the idea. The dissociation that Rona McDaniel allows 339 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: herself to hold is delusional. The RNC wasn't there. The 340 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: RNC was there, Rana. You were there, Rona. You helped 341 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: make it happen. But what makes you so personally despicable 342 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: is that you could have helped stop it. 343 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: I want to turn out to your actions in the 344 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 2: aftermath of the twenty twenty election. On November seventeenth, you 345 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 2: and Donald Trump were recorded pushing to Republican Michigan officials 346 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 2: election officials not to certify the results of the election 347 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 2: and only call. You're recorded as saying, quote, if you 348 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 2: can go home tonight, do not sign it. We will 349 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 2: get you attorneys. Do you have regrets about that phone 350 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 2: call in your life. 351 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 3: I'm so glad you asked me about this, because I've 352 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 3: never had a chance to respond to this. And if 353 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 3: you know the course of what happened that night, these 354 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 3: two individuals went into a hearing. They voted no, They 355 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 3: didn't vote not to certify. They said, you know, we 356 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 3: want an audit. There were some problems in Wayne County. 357 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 3: They've been consistent, They've been well documented over subsequent elections, 358 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 3: and they said, as canvassers, we think we should have 359 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 3: an audit before we certify. That's all they asked for. 360 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,479 Speaker 3: Once the public hearing opened, they were called such vicious names, 361 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 3: such vile names. Family members are being threatened that they 362 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 3: changed their vote, and they left shaken. And I did 363 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 3: call them and say nobody and I think we should 364 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 3: agree with that and this as Republicans and Democrats. Nobody 365 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 3: should be threatened or bullied or pushed to change a vote, 366 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 3: and that's what happened to them. 367 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 6: And I want to. 368 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 3: Finish by saying our call that night was to say, 369 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 3: are you okay? That's my recollection. It was three and 370 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 3: a half years ago. These are people I knew, I 371 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 3: live in Wayne County. Are you okay? Are you all right? 372 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 3: Vote your conscience? Not pushing them to do anything. 373 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: We're now moving into the part of the interview. It's 374 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: really disturbing to watch as the gas lighter in the 375 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: gas lighting unravel And we need to pick this apart 376 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: because Kristen Welker didn't have the time to do it. 377 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: But it's very important to understand the absurdity of the 378 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: argument that McDaniel is making here. What Ronald McDaniel did 379 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: was outrageous. She called a local election official, as the 380 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: head of a national party with the President of the 381 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: United States, to exert the maximum pressure that could conceivably 382 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: be exerted to the end of getting that election official. 383 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: Who deny the result of an election. It is not 384 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: a matter of conscience the question of whether to certify 385 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: an election. It is a question of math, and it 386 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: is a requirement of law. It is an obligation of citizenship. 387 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: It is an aspect of the responsibility and duty that 388 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: Ronna McDaniel so thoroughly failed in her betrayal of her 389 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: country and the American way of life. She is calling 390 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: Christen Welker that the election workers were threatened, when in 391 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: fact it was people responding with outrage because these workers 392 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: were playing around with the certification of a result that 393 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: was numerically perfectly clear. And now, as is always the case, 394 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: at least in the Magabubble, we see the delusion spill 395 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: out in the upside down world, the abuser is always 396 00:32:54,000 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: the victim, the wrongdoer, always the hero. What Ronna McDaniel 397 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: did and how she explains it, how she justifies it 398 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:18,719 Speaker 1: is a profound disqualification for working for any credible news 399 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: organization that has any standards whatsoever. What you are listening 400 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: to in this moment is bad Dad Bob level bullshit 401 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: of the ten star variety. It doesn't even make sense. 402 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: She is telling you that there is no up and 403 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: there is no down, that red is blue and blue 404 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: is yellow and yellow is green. It is gaslighting at 405 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,719 Speaker 1: an epic level, and Kristen Welker, to her credit, is 406 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: having none of it. 407 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 2: Even the Supreme Court run it didn't take up concerns 408 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 2: about the election results in Pennsylvania and the slew of 409 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 2: other states. Just let me just stick to though. I 410 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 2: want to allow you to continue to answer questions about 411 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 2: your role in the twenty twenty election, beyond the call 412 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 2: that we were just discussing. The RNC helped the Trump 413 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 2: campaign assemble fake electors in Michigan, provide a platform for 414 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 2: Trump lawyers to hold that news conference with Rudy Giuliani 415 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 2: alleging a global conspiracy to rig the election against Trump, 416 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 2: and you yourself called the election rigged multiple times? Did 417 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 2: you enable Donald Trump to spread election? 418 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 3: Lise, Let's go back to time. But initially, initially in 419 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 3: November of twenty twenty, there were concerns everywhere. Imagine you 420 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 3: saw videos being put out, all types of things. You 421 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 3: have to track that down. So where I was in 422 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 3: twenty twenty, and the quotes that are being taken from 423 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 3: a very long long time ago three and a half 424 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 3: years ago to where I am today. You've got to 425 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 3: allow the process to play out. 426 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: Did you or did you not enable Donald Trump's election lies, 427 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: Ronal McDaniel, And the answer incontrovertibly is yes. You did 428 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: it over and over again, as did the institution that 429 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: you ran, that you deny the presence of at the 430 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: January sixth insurrection, which was the outcome of all of 431 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: the lies that you were so deeply involved in, including 432 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: Rudolph Giuliani's lies in outlandish news conferences. You, Roni McDaniel, 433 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: are responsible for it. You did it. You were Donald 434 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: Trump's Martin Borman. You were his handmade and he couldn't 435 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 1: have done it without you. The closing of this interview 436 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: is rather astonishing, as Kristen Welker brings it home. The 437 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: gaslighting is astonishing too. The question that Kristen Welker begins 438 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: the closing is how can you be trusted? In essence, 439 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: what she is asking is how can the NBC News 440 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: audience trust you given how many times you have lied? Now, 441 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 1: there's a simple answer to the question around trust, and 442 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: it would be this, And I say this very directly 443 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 1: to everybody in the warning community who is watching this. 444 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,760 Speaker 1: You can't trust me because I will tell you the truth. 445 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: But notice Ronal McDaniel cannot say the obvious part out 446 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: loud because Ronald McDaniel cannot answer this question by telling 447 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: you that she's telling you the truth while she's gaslighting you. 448 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 1: Kristin Welker, like a skilled boxer, is going to slip 449 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 1: left and she's going to ask another question. Let's watch. 450 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 2: Speak to the people who hold you responsible for enabling 451 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 2: Donald Trump and his mistruth his lies about the election. 452 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 2: Why should they trust you when they say they don't. 453 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 3: I think you should trust me. I mean, I can't 454 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 3: speak to people who don't trust different voices. I think 455 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 3: you should be able to hear from different voices. And 456 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 3: I haven't been able to talk to you about the 457 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 3: concerns I had going into that election, and I wish 458 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 3: there was more of a dialogue from that. But let 459 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 3: me be very clear. I love this country. I come 460 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 3: from a state that's been overlooked. I don't see my 461 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 3: state represented in a lot of news media. I don't 462 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 3: go home as chairman ron of McDaniel. I'm mom Roni McDaniel. 463 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 3: I go to the grocery store. I do all these things, 464 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 3: and I really feel like if our country is going 465 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 3: to survive, we need to be able to have difficult 466 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 3: conversations like this in a respectful way. We need more 467 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 3: of that in our country. But we also can't go 468 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 3: into our echo chambers and say, I'm only going to 469 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 3: listen to what Democrats have to say, and I'm only 470 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 3: going to listen to Republicans have to say. Listen to 471 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 3: it and make your own opinion. 472 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: I go to the grocery store. Are you shitting me? 473 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: She actually said that out loud. And I love my country. 474 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: I love America. She has a funny way of showing it. 475 00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: She doesn't love America because she has in different towards America, 476 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 1: because America isn't a piece of land. It is an 477 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:14,879 Speaker 1: idea and an ideal. And when her time came, when 478 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: she could have said no or enough and understood that 479 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,879 Speaker 1: as chairwoman of the Republican National Committee that she had 480 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:30,320 Speaker 1: a higher responsibility, she failed. She was darreland. She lied, 481 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: she twisted the truth. She burned the flag. That's what 482 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: she did. She burned it, desecrated it, trampled on it. 483 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: Every American value and ideal that you can think of. 484 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 1: She failed. And now she's on network television, branded with 485 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:05,439 Speaker 1: the credit bility of NBC News to spin this vile 486 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 1: bullshit and gaslight millions in the name of balance and 487 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 1: in the name of fairness. I have a prediction the 488 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 1: journalists at NBC News are going to rebel against their executives. 489 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: They won't tolerate it, and they shouldn't because what Ronald 490 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: McDaniel did was wrong, and today her credibility was as 491 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: thoroughly destroyed in a network television interview as it could 492 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 1: conceivably be. Somewhere up there, Tim Russer is smiling down 493 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: because what happened I meet the press this morning is 494 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,280 Speaker 1: what's supposed to happen. I meet the press, public officials 495 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: get held to account and specifically over their bs, and 496 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:04,760 Speaker 1: occasionally genuinely rancid and contemptible person crosses into that zone. 497 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,800 Speaker 1: And make no mistake, Ronald McDaniel is such a person. 498 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:14,320 Speaker 1: What she did was contemptible, It was appalling. She betrayed 499 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: this country as badly as Trump did, and it ought 500 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: to be called out. The fact that she's being paid 501 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dollars a year by NBC News to 502 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: lie to its audience, to try to interpret this nonsense 503 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: and tell them that down is up and up is 504 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 1: down is wrong. And I suspect we've seen the last 505 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 1: of her, which is good. On election Day of two 506 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: thousand and eight, Barack Obama was transformed. He was transformed 507 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 1: from Illinois junior senator and the Democratic nominee to become 508 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 1: the president elect of the United States. And I was 509 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 1: the person who plays the phone call one on McCain's behalf. 510 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: I passed the phone with Barack Obama, the President elect, 511 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,280 Speaker 1: on the other end, to the first person who mattered, 512 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:13,720 Speaker 1: who addressed him as such. That person was Senator McCain, 513 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:20,279 Speaker 1: who said, God bless you, mister President elect, and then 514 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:28,839 Speaker 1: delivered a concession speech. On that night, his vice presidential 515 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: candidate wanted to give a speech desecrating the beginning of 516 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: the process by which power is transferred peacefully. I would 517 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,400 Speaker 1: not allow it. The scene that played out was memorialized 518 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 1: in a movie. 519 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,280 Speaker 4: This country has just elected the first African American president 520 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 4: in the history of its existence, and it is the 521 00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:01,240 Speaker 4: concession speech that will legitimize his succession as commander in chief. 522 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 4: It is a. 523 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 5: Serious and solemn occasion. In John McCain and only John McCain. 524 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 4: Will be giving this sacred speech. This is how it 525 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,800 Speaker 4: has been done in every presidential. 526 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,240 Speaker 5: Election since the Dawn of the Republican You, Sarah Palin, 527 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 5: will not change the importance of this proud American tradition. 528 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: It's pretty close to exactly what happens. But I'm going 529 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:34,240 Speaker 1: to tell Rona McDaniel what her responsibility was. The very 530 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:39,399 Speaker 1: first time Donald Trump said that the election results would 531 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 1: only be legitimate if he won, and that was long 532 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 1: before January fifth, or fourth, or even the night of 533 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: the election, it was her job to speak, to speak out, 534 00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: and to say no, we will not get in line 535 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 1: behind that. She had a powerful position, an important office, 536 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: and she desecrated it, like she desecrated her duty to 537 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 1: the country. The leader of one of the major parties 538 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: became utterly complicit in an extremist movement. She lost control 539 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 1: of the party, allowed it to be turned into a grift. 540 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,760 Speaker 1: But none of that matters, and none of that disqualifies 541 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,279 Speaker 1: her from appearing as an analyst on a network. What 542 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 1: does is her lying She can't tell the truth, whether 543 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:54,719 Speaker 1: it is pathological, whether it is a rotten character. The 544 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 1: fact of the matter is, how do you ever put 545 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 1: this woman into the same room with Lester Holt and 546 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:07,319 Speaker 1: Savannah Guthrie, who are required when the occasion calls for 547 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,839 Speaker 1: it to deliver the darkest news at the most dangerous 548 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 1: hours to a free people who need to know what 549 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 1: is true and what is not, what is real, what 550 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 1: is not, and who won the presidential election. One of 551 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:32,840 Speaker 1: the great tragedies of this era is the collapse of 552 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 1: journalism and its ethics, the abomination, for example of Brett bher, 553 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 1: the quote unquote hard news guy at Fox who was 554 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:49,720 Speaker 1: terrified of telling Fox News watchers that the Trump fereer 555 00:44:50,320 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 1: have lost. That's not news, that's propaganda and it is deeply, 556 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,760 Speaker 1: deeply dangerous in a free society. Over and over again, 557 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: Rona McDaniel tried to explicate herself from the things she 558 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,480 Speaker 1: did by saying she did none of them, when the 559 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:22,760 Speaker 1: record is clear she did all of them. And now 560 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: she's going to go sit next to Richard Engel, who 561 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,799 Speaker 1: she disparaged while attacking all of his other colleagues as 562 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:39,440 Speaker 1: appear in a colleague and sit there and what lie 563 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:44,719 Speaker 1: to the audience in the name of balance. This is 564 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 1: a great journalism crisis brought upon NBC by the cynical 565 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:59,759 Speaker 1: executives of NBC who just treated the news standards of 566 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,840 Speaker 1: one one of the oldest broadcast networks in the world, 567 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 1: like Kelly and Conway treated the Hatch Act like it 568 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:15,760 Speaker 1: doesn't apply to them. More than anything else, what Rona 569 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:23,400 Speaker 1: McDaniel is is a liar. It's an unpleasant word, but 570 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 1: well earned and well deserved, because for Rona McDaniel, she's 571 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,359 Speaker 1: now come out of the bubble of a cult and 572 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,359 Speaker 1: into a world where there are some of us who 573 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:41,359 Speaker 1: demand consequences for the people who lied over and over 574 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:47,520 Speaker 1: and over again, attacking the constitution and the outcome of 575 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:52,200 Speaker 1: a free election, which even through this very hour on 576 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:57,400 Speaker 1: Meet the Pressed, she continues to disparage. She continues to 577 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 1: do the wink and nod, to say all of the 578 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:05,000 Speaker 1: things that intimate and suggests that in fact, no, the 579 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,799 Speaker 1: election was not free, the election was not fair. That 580 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 1: Joe Biden is tainted, he's illegitimate. It is the greatest 581 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:21,759 Speaker 1: lie in American history, and one of the principal architects 582 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:28,440 Speaker 1: of it, who is utterly indifferent to it spread now 583 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:34,280 Speaker 1: will carry next to her name the words NBC News 584 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:43,200 Speaker 1: in all of this is supposed to be what what 585 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:49,840 Speaker 1: it is. It is a sick joke unless the serious 586 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:56,720 Speaker 1: people with actual responsibility at the network not Rebecca Blumenstein, 587 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,520 Speaker 1: Nay of The New York Times, the world leading access 588 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:10,560 Speaker 1: journalism institution and puzzle company, or MS Kudolph Brown, formerly 589 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:22,440 Speaker 1: of Politico. The journalists at NBC News have a responsibility 590 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:30,240 Speaker 1: just like the responsibility that Kristen Welker asked Rona McDaniel about, 591 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:39,800 Speaker 1: to make sure that Rona McDaniel never abuses the viewers 592 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:45,360 Speaker 1: and the audience that trust NBC News with reality to 593 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:51,880 Speaker 1: ever be seen on their airwaves again. Chuck Todd is 594 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,719 Speaker 1: a person I've known for a very long time, and 595 00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 1: he is a person, in my view and estimation without 596 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:06,680 Speaker 1: standing character and journalistic integrity. Chuck Todd's the real deal. 597 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,759 Speaker 1: He always has been. I'm going to show you what 598 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,600 Speaker 1: Chuck Todd said on the Meat the Press panel after 599 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,880 Speaker 1: the interview, and Chuck Todd is exactly right when he 600 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,840 Speaker 1: said to Kristen Welker that the president of the network, 601 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:25,280 Speaker 1: Rebecca Blumenstein, owes her an apology, as does the executive 602 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,839 Speaker 1: who's in charge of Meet the Press, Carrie Brudolph Brown, 603 00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,280 Speaker 1: who I suggest will not be evolved too much longer 604 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,879 Speaker 1: with Meat the Press or with NBC News. But put 605 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:35,480 Speaker 1: that aside. 606 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,359 Speaker 6: Let me do with the elephant in the room. Yeah, 607 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,960 Speaker 6: I think our bosses owe you an apology for putting 608 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,600 Speaker 6: you in this situation, because I don't know what to believe. 609 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,319 Speaker 6: She is now a paid contributor by NBC nicks Well, 610 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,239 Speaker 6: I have no idea whether any answer she gave to 611 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,640 Speaker 6: you was because she didn't want to mess up her contract. 612 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:59,799 Speaker 1: Chuck Todd is about to say something important, extremely important. 613 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:08,640 Speaker 1: It's about journalistic ethics. What he says right now is 614 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:13,320 Speaker 1: probably one of the most important things that anybody said 615 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,400 Speaker 1: in the last twenty years about American journalism. And he 616 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,720 Speaker 1: did it impromptu, and he did it from a place 617 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:26,719 Speaker 1: of conviction. I have another prediction. I think what Chuck 618 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,719 Speaker 1: Todd said is really going to hit home, not just 619 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:34,000 Speaker 1: in the NBC newsroom, but across the halls of American 620 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,919 Speaker 1: journalism and in the executive suites. Because he's exactly right. 621 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,439 Speaker 1: And there have been occasions in American journalism where the 622 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:49,920 Speaker 1: leaders of journalism, people like Chuck Todd, have said important 623 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:54,719 Speaker 1: things at moments of grave crisis within journalism about its preservation. 624 00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,200 Speaker 1: Edward Armorrow was such a person did in nineteen fifty 625 00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:07,600 Speaker 1: eight when he gave an address warning about where television 626 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:14,439 Speaker 1: could lead the frivolousness that it could inspire. But Chuck 627 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:19,160 Speaker 1: Todd is not frivolous today. Chuck Todd is deep today. 628 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,719 Speaker 6: So she has credibility issues that she still has to 629 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,680 Speaker 6: deal with. Is she speaking for herself or she's speaking 630 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,799 Speaker 6: on behalf of who's paying her. Once at the RNC, 631 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,040 Speaker 6: she did say that, Hey, I'm speaking for the party. 632 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,200 Speaker 6: I get that that's part of the job. So what 633 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,560 Speaker 6: about here? I will say this, I think your interview 634 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,840 Speaker 6: did a good job of exposing I think many of 635 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,920 Speaker 6: the contradictions. And look, there's a reason why there's a 636 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,400 Speaker 6: lot of journalists at NBC who's uncomfortable with this because 637 00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,360 Speaker 6: many of our professional dealings with the RNC over the 638 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,360 Speaker 6: last six years have been met with gas lighting, have 639 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,040 Speaker 6: been met with character assassination. So it is, you know, 640 00:51:58,520 --> 00:51:59,960 Speaker 6: that's where you begin here. 641 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:01,319 Speaker 1: And so. 642 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:07,239 Speaker 6: When NBC made the decision to give her NBC News's credibility, 643 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,480 Speaker 6: you got to ask yourself, what does she bring NBC News? 644 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,400 Speaker 6: And when we make deals like this, and I've been 645 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,360 Speaker 6: at this company a long time, you're doing it for access, 646 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,960 Speaker 6: access to audience. Sometimes it's access to an individual. And 647 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,680 Speaker 6: we can have a journalistic ethics debate about that, and 648 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,719 Speaker 6: I'm willing to have that debate. And if you told 649 00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,560 Speaker 6: me we were hiring her as a technical advisor to 650 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,560 Speaker 6: the Republican Convention, I think that would be certainly defensible 651 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,720 Speaker 6: if you told me we're talking to her. But let's 652 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,120 Speaker 6: see how she does in some interviews and maybe vet 653 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,200 Speaker 6: her with actual journalists inside the network, see if it's 654 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,120 Speaker 6: a two way what she can bring the network. So 655 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,640 Speaker 6: I do think, unfortunately, this interview is always going to 656 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,839 Speaker 6: be looked through the prism of who is she speaking for. 657 00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,640 Speaker 1: Chuck Todd was a long time steward of the Meat 658 00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:05,319 Speaker 1: Depressed franchise. It's a tough job, you get criticism, But 659 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:10,600 Speaker 1: the one thing Chuck Todd never did was gaslight his audience. 660 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:15,080 Speaker 1: And he would never allow for it to happen. And 661 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:20,560 Speaker 1: neither would David Gregory, and neither will Kristin Welker, and 662 00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:26,239 Speaker 1: neither will Tim Russer. So why then, would the bosses 663 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:32,080 Speaker 1: of NBC require that their journalists sit down next to 664 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:37,920 Speaker 1: a liar, sit down next to somebody who incited an insurrection, 665 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:44,120 Speaker 1: somebody who continued to lie in gaslight right through the program. Today. 666 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,400 Speaker 1: The only difference she switched teams. What it is that 667 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,040 Speaker 1: she admitted today would have been received as such in 668 00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,200 Speaker 1: any court of law is that if you pay me, 669 00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:58,640 Speaker 1: I'll say whatever you want. What is she of ventriloquist 670 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:03,560 Speaker 1: dummy now with a fascist hand up her back? To 671 00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:10,759 Speaker 1: interpret what it is that Donald Trump really means? We 672 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,200 Speaker 1: live in a sick era. I think a lot of 673 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:22,040 Speaker 1: people understand that this was a bad day imposed imposed 674 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:28,480 Speaker 1: on Kristen Welker directly by the leadership of the company 675 00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:33,719 Speaker 1: that she works for. And in the end, because you 676 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:38,560 Speaker 1: saw good journalism today and an assertion of conviction, something 677 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:44,160 Speaker 1: remarkable happened. Chuck Todd had guts and he sat on 678 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,560 Speaker 1: NBC News and he spoke to the executives of the 679 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,520 Speaker 1: company where he's worked for a very long time, fearlessly. 680 00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,600 Speaker 1: He didn't seem to care about any consequences or any retribution. 681 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,120 Speaker 6: I think you did everything you could do. You got 682 00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,960 Speaker 6: put into an impossible situation here booking this interview, and 683 00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,480 Speaker 6: then all of a sudden the rugs pull out from 684 00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,759 Speaker 6: under you. You find actually being paid to show up. 685 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,440 Speaker 6: That's unfortunate for this program, but I am glad you 686 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:13,319 Speaker 6: did the best that you could. 687 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,120 Speaker 1: You know, what. You didn't trust Chuck Todd, You didn't 688 00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,560 Speaker 1: put that in the bank. You learn that about him today, 689 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:25,520 Speaker 1: and you learned how disgusted the real journalists are at 690 00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:32,960 Speaker 1: NBC by this decision, this decision that won't stand because 691 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:38,359 Speaker 1: the truth still matters and its defense still matters. If 692 00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,680 Speaker 1: you want to understand where the front line in this 693 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,680 Speaker 1: war between freedom and fascism is, it's out in that 694 00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:49,719 Speaker 1: thin space, in the murky atmosphere where the truth and 695 00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:54,120 Speaker 1: the lyar are indistinguishable. And Chuck Todd helped reel that 696 00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,239 Speaker 1: back with some of the most brilliant commentary by a 697 00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,520 Speaker 1: journalists that has ever been asserted in the history of 698 00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,040 Speaker 1: Meet the Press. At the exact moment it needed to 699 00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,720 Speaker 1: be said, it was said, good for you, Chuck Todd, 700 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:12,520 Speaker 1: Good for you, Thank you for listening to my political commentary. 701 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,600 Speaker 1: If you like what you heard today, please also consider 702 00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:21,239 Speaker 1: subscribing to The Warning Daily newsletter on substack