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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Everything. So don't don't don't whoa, whoa, whoa, what's

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Speaker 1: going on? Welcome to the Worst Year Ever. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to do it again. No, no, no, reacting to the

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Speaker 1: fifteen pages you just quoted, do not cut that in

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Speaker 1: all that was amazing in no way. That is our

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Speaker 1: legally mandated only introduction from now on. You can't redo that, Cody,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we don't. There's no editing in podcasting good

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Speaker 1: editing podcasting. This podcast we're doing, it's called Worst Year Ever.

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Speaker 1: We're the podcast that you're listening to. My name is

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Speaker 1: Cody Johnson. We're gonna say your names. Katie stall is mine,

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Speaker 1: Katie Robert Evans. That's correct it, oh man names out.

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Speaker 1: I mistake myself for Katie regularly because I use her

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Speaker 1: driver's license. Oh that's where it's been. I've just been.

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Speaker 1: I had to get a fake one on the black market.

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Speaker 1: You might be in trouble in Nevada. Okay, Well, you

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Speaker 1: know when I never go to Nevada, So you guys

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Speaker 1: can if we ever have to go to Nevada for

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Speaker 1: this show, you guys can go without me. I just

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Speaker 1: don't use my I D Robert, all right, well, also

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Speaker 1: I pronounce it Nevada. But now you've made me into

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Speaker 1: some sort of bad guy just because I'm stealing your identity,

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Speaker 1: which I feel doing is unfair. No, no, Robert, not

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Speaker 1: because of that, but because of whatever you've done with

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Speaker 1: my identity to make me barred from Nevada. Why are

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Speaker 1: you attacking rubber like this Nevada? What the crimes I

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Speaker 1: I d D. Hey, you know what we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about today? What we're going to talk about mayor Pete?

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Speaker 1: And uh, I'm actually kind of excited about this because

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Speaker 1: I kind of didn't pay much attention to him, um,

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Speaker 1: and in looking into his history, his views, his whole

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Speaker 1: his whole deal, I'm actually kind of a huge fan

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying no to the name to Pete. No, No,

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Speaker 1: And uh, here we go. Um. I don't get a

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Speaker 1: More appropriate? Where where? Where? Where? Where? Where? Where? Keep

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Speaker 1: going throughout your talking. No, in this new century, there

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Speaker 1: are a daunting number of important issues which are to

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Speaker 1: be confronted if we are to progress as a nation.

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Speaker 1: Each must be addressed thoroughly and energetically. But in order

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Speaker 1: to accomplish the collective goals of our society, we must

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Speaker 1: first address how we deal with issues. We must re

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Speaker 1: examine the psychological and political climate of American politics. As

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Speaker 1: it stands, our future is at risk due to a

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Speaker 1: troubling tendency towards cynicism among voters and elected officials. The

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Speaker 1: successful resolution of every issue before us depends on the

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Speaker 1: fundamental question of public integrity. A new attitude has swept

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Speaker 1: American politics. Candidates have discovered that it is easier to

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Speaker 1: be elected by not offending anyone, rather than by impressing

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Speaker 1: the voters. Politicians are rushing for the center, careful not

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Speaker 1: to stick their next out on issues most democrats shy

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Speaker 1: away from the word liberal like a horrid accusation. Just

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Speaker 1: as film producers shoot different endings and let test audiences

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Speaker 1: sample groups to see which is most likely to win

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Speaker 1: before they speak out on a major issue. This deserving

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Speaker 1: trend reveal cynicism a double sided problem, which is perhaps

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Speaker 1: the greatest threat to the continued success of the American

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Speaker 1: political system. Cynical candidates have developed an ability to outgrow

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Speaker 1: at one of the lowest rates in the democratic world.

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Speaker 1: Such an atmosphere inevitably distances our society from its leadership

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Speaker 1: and is thus a fundamental threat to the principles of democracy.

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Speaker 1: It also calls into question and what motivates a run

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Speaker 1: for office, in many cases, apparently only the desire to

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Speaker 1: number of committed individuals who are steadfast enough in their

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Speaker 1: Such people are willing to escue political and personal comfort

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Speaker 1: country's only independent Congressman, vermonts Bernie Sanders. Bernie' wait hold

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Speaker 1: on this. I didn't write this about Pete. This is

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Speaker 1: Essay is called Bernie Sanders um. And there's so much more.

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Speaker 1: There's so much more to this this essay of his,

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Speaker 1: I yes, I like what he said about how one

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Speaker 1: of the great problems in politics is that candidates just

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Speaker 1: It would really be heartbreaking if the author of that

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Speaker 1: essay did exactly that eighteen years later. It would be

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Speaker 1: such a sad and quick Eighteen short years later, politicians

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Speaker 1: that's um, that's a fun little essay. There are other

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Speaker 1: sac wrote during this time period. One is called Rock

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Speaker 1: the Vote and it's about post nine eleven music, specifically

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Did You did You? Did you find an

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Speaker 1: essay from Pete where he described all of the other

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Speaker 1: You know, if he has one of those Dave Matthews

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Speaker 1: This is his resume, and I wonder why I'm saying

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Speaker 1: Peter Paul Montgomery buddhag Edge got his undergraduate degree in

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Speaker 1: During college, he intern for Jill Long Thompson's two thousand

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Speaker 1: is there a chance his parents were a fan of

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Speaker 1: the famous folk trio Peter Paul and Montgomery. I was

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Speaker 1: wondering the same thing. There's a chance I haven't found anything.

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Speaker 1: I haven't found any like folk albums. I haven't found

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Speaker 1: this is just me talking now. Some of these scandals

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Speaker 1: news apparently, UM, it's being reported that Jared Kushner gave

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Speaker 1: all in um. The Spectators reported that with several sources

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Speaker 1: But it's really frustrating as somebody who worked there to

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Speaker 1: Pete worked there. Because Pete's answer there UH in general

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Speaker 1: as progressive, but I also believe in capitalism. But it

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Speaker 1: has to be democratic capitalism. And uh, this is more

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Speaker 1: McKinsey speak, because if we know what capitalism is, would

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Speaker 1: probably say it's uh, people of capital make the decisions, etcetera,

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Speaker 1: and so forth. And if you make that democratic, what

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Speaker 1: would that be? Yeah, what would it be what would

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Speaker 1: you call what's the democratic stock market? What's like? What's Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of a good word for that.

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Speaker 1: I can't. I'm failing. Well, we could maybe higher cans

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Speaker 1: sulting firm like, Uh, we can ask them if they

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Speaker 1: could come up with some branding for us. Yeah. In

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Speaker 1: this democratic uh capitalism, If a company, say we'll call

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Speaker 1: them Fastly, uh, buys up, say, a huge chunk of

439
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Speaker 1: the nation's water rights, it uses them to package up

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Speaker 1: water and tiny plastic bottles that killed the ocean and

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Speaker 1: ship it off all around the world. Um, as drought

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Speaker 1: and whatnot threatens huge chunks of the country where those

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Speaker 1: awkwiffers are. Would we get a vote on whether or

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Speaker 1: not that's okay? Or would the fact that they'd already

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Speaker 1: paid for it mean that none of us has a

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Speaker 1: choice in what happens to that water? Oh, none of

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Speaker 1: us has a choice. None of us has a choice.

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Speaker 1: I think democracy, right, it's definition of democracy. Um. Continue,

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Speaker 1: So Pete believes in democratic capitalism. Um, because he's a

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Speaker 1: very honest boy. Um. He's also said, I'm I think

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Speaker 1: much more concerned about the debt than what is fashionable

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Speaker 1: among most people in my party side note, Pete, we

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Speaker 1: made up money. We made it up. It's made up.

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Speaker 1: But Cody, the debt's the highest it's ever been. Surely

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Speaker 1: that's had a concrete impact on the lives of the

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Speaker 1: people listening to this. I don't know, man, I have

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Speaker 1: to ask Pete, do you want to call Pete called pizze?

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Speaker 1: What has to say about it? I want to highlight

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Speaker 1: that word fashionable among most people in my party. That's

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Speaker 1: more McKenzie and company bullshit, because it's it's distancing yourself,

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Speaker 1: but it's also like ingratiating yourself with the with the

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Speaker 1: ideas like I'm not. It's not fashionable these days. It's

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Speaker 1: just very weasily how he talks um and it's political.

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Speaker 1: It's all political um. And to sort of really illustrate this,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about a little thing called Medicare for all.

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Speaker 1: Great so Pete Buddha, Judge Wild, Bernie Sanders fan has

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Speaker 1: uh discussed Medicare for all in the past. He has

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Speaker 1: been for it. In fact, when someone asked him about

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Speaker 1: this in the past, he has tweeted this is from

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Speaker 1: February who has an eighteen His response asking about why

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Speaker 1: you don't why don't you support Medicare for all? Response

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Speaker 1: was bu when where have you ever heard me opposed

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Speaker 1: Medicare for all? How does he spell? But b u

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Speaker 1: h question mark. Yeah, that's rights. Yeah. Uh he's follow

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Speaker 1: up gosh exclamation point. At least it wasn't God, what

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Speaker 1: a dweep? Um okay, I pete Buddha gedge politician, do

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Speaker 1: henceforth and forthwith declare most affirmatively and indubitably unto the

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Speaker 1: ages that I do favor Medicare for all, as I

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Speaker 1: do favor any measure that would help get all Americans covered. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you'll excuse me, potholes a weight. Um, well, I

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Speaker 1: love that firm, bold stance. Firm bold stance from a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago, from only slightly over a year ago,

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Speaker 1: from only slightly over a year ago. Um, and uh,

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Speaker 1: people like to talk about this, and our friend Nate

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Speaker 1: Silver front of the show, um has tried to himself

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Speaker 1: a little bit from this, like, oh, he didn't change

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Speaker 1: his mind about Medicare for all. Medicare for All was

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Speaker 1: always a sort of blanket idea of like we're eventually

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Speaker 1: gonna do this kind of thing. It's like a universal

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Speaker 1: healthcare kind of idea. UM. It's not when you say

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Speaker 1: medical for all, you don't mean single payer specifically, um,

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Speaker 1: which of course is nonsense. There's also an essay by

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Speaker 1: Pete Buda Edge from about a decade ago quote we

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Speaker 1: could finally see a single payer healthcare system that closes

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Speaker 1: the gap between the US and other nations when it

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Speaker 1: comes to medical treatment. Um. And before we get into

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Speaker 1: Pete's current plan, I'd like to quickly uh go through

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Speaker 1: some healthcare industry donors to Pete Buda Edge and the

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Speaker 1: third quarter of two nineteen UM. These are all about

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Speaker 1: between like two thousand, six thousand dollars. Executives at Decibel Therapeutics,

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Speaker 1: Truman Medical Centers, Ironwood Pharmaceuticals, aztecs Are Pharmaceuticals, the director

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Speaker 1: of Anthem, Blue Cross, Blue Shield, Norton Healthcare. Surely they

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Speaker 1: support single payer health. Surely you know who else probably

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Speaker 1: does Fighter if I know Fiser, they love people having

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Speaker 1: access to healthcare, Advent Health, Cello Health, Kaiser Foundation health Plan.

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Speaker 1: These are just some of the many we get the idea.

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Speaker 1: I think maybe you get the idea. So UM here is,

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Speaker 1: according to Pete's website, is Medicare for all who want

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Speaker 1: it because health care is a human right. Guarantee universal

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Speaker 1: coverage through Medicare for all who wanted. The Medicare for

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Speaker 1: All who wanted Public Alternative will help America reach universal

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Speaker 1: coverage by providing an affordable insurance option to the currently uninsured.

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Speaker 1: The Public Alternative will provide the same essential health benefits

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Speaker 1: as those currently available on the marketplaces and ensure that

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Speaker 1: everyone has access to high quality comprehend of coverage. I

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Speaker 1: love the word access. Yes, it's a good word. If

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Speaker 1: you cut the word access out, then it would just

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Speaker 1: be saying everybody has high quality healthcare coverage. Right do

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Speaker 1: you add the word access? I wonder if that changes

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Speaker 1: the meaning of the sentence. I think it You know

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Speaker 1: what Robert good point? I think it does? It might?

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Speaker 1: Does it might? Does it might? Does? It? Always frustrates

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Speaker 1: me this conversation when it comes Medicare for all who

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Speaker 1: want it just inherently means not Medicare for all? Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it just means that people. That puts this in a

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Speaker 1: situation where a lot of people can't afford it. I

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Speaker 1: imagine him sitting down with some guy going through the

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Speaker 1: early stages of insulin shock because he can't afford four

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Speaker 1: dollars a month for his insulin because it costs more

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Speaker 1: than his rent, and being like, do you want healthcare?

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Speaker 1: And the guy is saying like, yes, for the love

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Speaker 1: of God, please, And I'm saying, okay, well, if you

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Speaker 1: want healthcare, it's going to cost you fourteen hundred dollars

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Speaker 1: a month. Do you have four two hundred dollars a month? No? Ah,

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Speaker 1: Well you didn't want healthcare. You had the access to it,

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Speaker 1: you heard the offer, but you didn't want it, so

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Speaker 1: you didn't want it enough. Yeah, this is UH an

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Speaker 1: issue that I think other candidates could be a little

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Speaker 1: stronger in communicating. The whole point is of insurance is

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Speaker 1: that healthy people everybody pays in you see, healthy people

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Speaker 1: also pay um. Wealthy people also pay so that the

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Speaker 1: sick people can get that access. And if you have

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Speaker 1: all these private UH insurance companies that are tied to

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Speaker 1: your employment, and then you have this public option of like, well,

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Speaker 1: if you need it, you have this, that's not going

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Speaker 1: to be a very good plan because the people who

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Speaker 1: have the very good jobs and the good insurance aren't

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Speaker 1: paying into the medicare and so that will actually not

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Speaker 1: get to what we wanted to be uh one interesting

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Speaker 1: sentence also on his website, the plan will automatically enroll

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Speaker 1: individuals in affordable coverage if they are eligible for it.

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Speaker 1: If they are eligible for it. And yet at the

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Speaker 1: very top it says, because health care is a human right.

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Speaker 1: If health care right eligible, then other than being alive

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Speaker 1: and a human? Interesting? Uh I guess, m I guess

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Speaker 1: we'll have to read the fine print. So we have

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Speaker 1: the right to a lawyer. Yeah, and there's no eligibility there.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to run through hoops. It's not anything

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Speaker 1: other than you get a lawyer. Yeah. And uh So,

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Speaker 1: if you're saying health care is a human right, but

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Speaker 1: you're also putting it in this way, maybe maybe you

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Speaker 1: don't actually mean that people. You don't actually mean that, Pete.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you don't actually mean that Pete. Maybe you learn

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Speaker 1: what's his definition of human? I feel like nobody's asking that.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he has a very narrow definition of human that

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Speaker 1: starts at a certain income. That is because like, we

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Speaker 1: have freedom of speech in the United States for humans,

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Speaker 1: but you're not a human. If you put on a mask,

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Speaker 1: then the police can fire tear gas grenades into your skull.

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Speaker 1: So maybe it's sort of like that, maybe you know what,

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe we'll have to ask Pete when he's

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Speaker 1: on this show for sure. So I'd like to play

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Speaker 1: one clip, uh real quick to really fully here Pete's

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Speaker 1: approach to politics and just the utter smarm that he

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Speaker 1: uses when he talks about this issue. He is being

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Speaker 1: asked by George Stephanopolis, is your main argument against medicare

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Speaker 1: for all now is that it can't get past or

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Speaker 1: that it won't work? And here's what Pete Buddha g

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Speaker 1: Edge has to say about that. You used to be

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Speaker 1: for broader medicare for all, you didn't qualify it in

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Speaker 1: any way. Is your main argument against medicare for all

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Speaker 1: now that it can't get past or that it won't work? Look,

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Speaker 1: I think it could very well be the long run destination.

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Speaker 1: But I think there's got to be some humility in

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Speaker 1: our policy here. Let's put this out there and see

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Speaker 1: if it's really the best plan for everybody. I think

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Speaker 1: it will be the best plan, but I'm not willing

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Speaker 1: to assume that it is the right plan for you

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Speaker 1: out of Washington and order you to take it whether

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Speaker 1: you want to or not. If it's the right plan,

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Speaker 1: then everybody will move to it until it is the

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Speaker 1: single player pair. And if it's not the right plan

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Speaker 1: for everybody, then we're gonna be really glad we didn't

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Speaker 1: kick some Americans off their private plans. I'm thinking for example,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of union members who fought and negotiated

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Speaker 1: for good plans they have today. They don't want to

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Speaker 1: have to abandon those plans because Washington tells them they

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Speaker 1: must do that in four years or less. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: make sense. And the most important thing is, we can

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Speaker 1: get to universal healthcare coverage without putting America through all

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Speaker 1: of that, without kicking people off their private plans, without

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Speaker 1: disagreements to the tune of ten or fifteen trillion dollars

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Speaker 1: over how much this is gonna cost, which is equivalent

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Speaker 1: to the entire GDP of the country. We have a

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Speaker 1: plan that is affordable, that is paid for, and that

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Speaker 1: allows you to choose instead of Washington shooting for you.

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Speaker 1: And it's the boldest thing we will have done to

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Speaker 1: American healthcare in a half century. Oh what a policy.

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Speaker 1: Asian's answer the utter smarm of that. Like first of

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Speaker 1: the first thing he says is we have to have humility.

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Speaker 1: The last thing he says, it's the boldest plan we

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Speaker 1: can get in half a century. It's like so interesting

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Speaker 1: how it doesn't even quite make sense. Like, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think in the long run is very well could be.

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Speaker 1: But you know, not if it's for everybody does that's

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Speaker 1: not what they want. So we're going to have to

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Speaker 1: wait and see what people want. What are you saying?

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Speaker 1: He's not saying anything. That's and that's the thing with

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Speaker 1: this Mackenzie nonsense. You're not actually saying anything. When he

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Speaker 1: talks about humility, what does he mean because he's also

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Speaker 1: talking about a bold plan. Also speaking of humility, you

622
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: are a mayor for like two two times, and now

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Speaker 1: you want to be the president of a country. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's and like very very humble. There's a phrase that

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Speaker 1: he says at the very beginning, I think it could

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Speaker 1: very well be the long run destination. That's so many

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Speaker 1: qualifiers to not actually say anything. It's not saying anything

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Speaker 1: about what you want. It's not this bold new plan.

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Speaker 1: It's nothing. And he's just a real piece of wonderful politician.

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Speaker 1: As I've said, I am a proto judge. You guys

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Speaker 1: want to know how many votes Pete has received in

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Speaker 1: his life that that gave him the position that he has,

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Speaker 1: unless you already please tell me that I would guess, um,

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Speaker 1: under ten thousand votes, eight thousand, five hundred and fifteen,

635
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Speaker 1: what get that man's strength of eight? Talk to me

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Speaker 1: about we have to be fair to Pete, which is

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Speaker 1: that by saying that, like the current president had zero

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Speaker 1: votes ever before he became the president, So we are

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Speaker 1: in a different era, you know. But yeah, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: in light of everything we've already talked about and how

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Speaker 1: we've certain essays we've read from Pete, Yeah, Um, he's

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Speaker 1: the least bold uh person, he's an empty vessel. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It really seems that is Uh. He's got a lot

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Speaker 1: of languages, got a lot of languages. Um. I think

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Speaker 1: he's a very intelligent Like everything you're saying paints a

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Speaker 1: picture to me of a very intelligent, very ambitious person

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Speaker 1: who actually does believe things, or at least did at

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Speaker 1: one point, but who believes more than anything else that

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Speaker 1: he should be in office. Because that that's clearly like

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Speaker 1: with Sanders, Like that's the whole point, the whole point

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Speaker 1: of buddagess essay on Sanders is that Bernie Sanders is

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Speaker 1: a guy who the things he believes matter more have

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Speaker 1: always mattered more to him than the political viability of

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Speaker 1: those things, because he just actually believes things. And that's

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Speaker 1: like the whole point he is making about the courage

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Speaker 1: of like identifying as a socialist back when that was

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Speaker 1: even more poisonous than it is now. And everything that

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Speaker 1: we learned about Buddages his career is that he doesn't

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Speaker 1: he doesn't really believe in anything other than he wants

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Speaker 1: to be in power. Like's not he doesn't. He's not that.

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Speaker 1: It's not like to the extent where he would do anything,

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Speaker 1: Like I don't think he would run as a Republican.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he would do what Trump has done

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Speaker 1: and like like lean into racism and xenophobia to get elected.

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Speaker 1: He has a conscience. He's not a he's not a

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Speaker 1: sociopath um, but he clearly I think he's can I

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Speaker 1: think I think I'm gonna guess he's a huge fan

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Speaker 1: of the West Wing. And in fact, I'm almost about

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Speaker 1: him being a fan of the West Wing, and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna guess he's a you know, one of the one

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Speaker 1: of the most famous scenes in the West Wing was

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Speaker 1: the president of like the Democrat president in that show

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Speaker 1: unveiling a banner that was labeled pragmatic idealism, um, which

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Speaker 1: I think that's his attitudes, like if I can get

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Speaker 1: in into office because I'm I'm so intelligent and because

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Speaker 1: I'm so such a decent person, like I don't have

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Speaker 1: to stand for any thing. Me being in office will

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Speaker 1: allow me to do good things. I mean, i'd say

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Speaker 1: best case scenario. He has these ideals and is more

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Speaker 1: idealistic than we're seeing right now. But his time in office,

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Speaker 1: his time McKenzie, has made him, uh, you know, more

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Speaker 1: more a politicians, you know, But like I also don't

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Speaker 1: I think that now we actually are in a unique

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Speaker 1: moment in time where uh, people can be bolder and

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Speaker 1: can say is flat out what it is that they

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Speaker 1: want and what we need, and we might be able

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Speaker 1: to harness that momentum and gets done. And he has

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Speaker 1: talked about this on the debate stage. He's even said

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Speaker 1: like we have the opportunity to do the boldest plans

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Speaker 1: in the generation. Um. And it's just clear he is

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Speaker 1: a sort of empty vessel, but he is intelligent. He's

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Speaker 1: been just like a politician, guy, I want to be

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Speaker 1: a politician. So why we see a lot of CNN

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Speaker 1: pieces on like he's he's Obama. He's like Obama. Now, um,

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Speaker 1: I wanna really quick read this quote from a New

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Speaker 1: York Times piece about that aspect of it, because it

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Speaker 1: is just sort of he's perceived as intelligent. He plays

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Speaker 1: the piano. Um let's quote. Uh, there's just something about him.

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Speaker 1: He's intelligent. When an audience member asked about conditions in

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Speaker 1: Gaza during a campaign stop in Mason City, Mr Buddha

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Speaker 1: Jedge began responding in Arabic. The overwhelmingly white audience, largely

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Speaker 1: unaware of what he said, broke into rockets applause. And

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Speaker 1: I think that is just the chef he is. Kiss

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what he is. I'm not going to take

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Speaker 1: a stance, but I'm going to do the thing that

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Speaker 1: would get a cheer if this were an episode of

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Speaker 1: The West Way. Exactly. It's all performative. He doesn't really

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Speaker 1: believe in much. We don't know what he believes, but

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Speaker 1: we don't know that. We don't know. What I do

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Speaker 1: know is that it's time for us to take a

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Speaker 1: quick ad break. So let's do that real quick, and

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Speaker 1: then we'll come back for more together. Welcome back, to

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Speaker 1: the show, fellow broto Jedges, Are we excited pumps bro Judges, Judges,

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Speaker 1: I do. My butt is on the edge, that is

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Speaker 1: it on the edge edge, It's on two edges, actually

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Speaker 1: on the edge of edge of my butt. Continue. Um,

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna continue. We're gonna get to some more

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Speaker 1: of Pete's issues. I'd like to return to his essay

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Speaker 1: about Bernie Sanders, because I don't think that Pete uh

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Speaker 1: necessarily is going to be sticking around. He may be

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Speaker 1: picked as a VP. We'll see. I don't know. Um

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Speaker 1: V Pete vpe. Oh that's good boot Jedge Jesus. But

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Speaker 1: I I have I want to use this opportunity, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's necessary to um basically bully Pete and

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Speaker 1: shame him into dropping out of the race and endorsing

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders. I'm being best um and I'm I think

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Speaker 1: he should be bullied UM and shamed UM and UH.

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Speaker 1: For more on this, We're gonna go to Pete Buddha Jedge.

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Speaker 1: After numerous political defeats in his tradition in the Republican state,

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Speaker 1: Sanders won the office of mayor of Burlington by ten votes.

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Speaker 1: A successful and popular mayor. He went on to win

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Speaker 1: Vermont's one congressional seat in Since then, he has taken

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Speaker 1: many courageous and politically risky stands on issues facing the nation.

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Speaker 1: He has coming to fire from various conservative religious groups

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Speaker 1: because of his support for same sex marriages. His stance

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Speaker 1: on gun control led to n r A organized media

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Speaker 1: campaigns against him. Sanders has also shown creativity in organizing

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Speaker 1: drug shopping trips to Canada for senior citizens to call

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Speaker 1: attention to inflated drug prices in the United States. He

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Speaker 1: still does this. By the way, is Cody speaking. He's

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Speaker 1: still doing that. While impressive, Sanders is candor very nice,

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Speaker 1: Pete does not itself represent political courage. The nation is

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Speaker 1: teaming without spoken radicals in one form or another. Most

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Speaker 1: are sooner called crazy than courageous. It is the second

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Speaker 1: half of sanders political role that puts the first half

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Speaker 1: into perspective. He has a powerful force for conciliation and

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Speaker 1: bipartisanship on Capitol Hill. In Profiles and Courage, John F.

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Speaker 1: Kennedy wrote that we should not be too hasty and

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Speaker 1: condemning all compromises bad morals for politics and legislation on

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Speaker 1: not mad is for inflexible principles or unattainable ideals. It

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Speaker 1: solid solid JFK and a slightly better mayor quimby. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was trying to say this voice he didn't say

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Speaker 1: read as John F. Kennedy, But John F. Kennedy quote

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Speaker 1: put in quotes um a little on the fly. They're

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Speaker 1: giving it a go. Um. It may seem strange that

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Speaker 1: someone so steadfast in his principles has a reputation as

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Speaker 1: a peacemaker between divided forces in Washington, but this is

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Speaker 1: what makes Sanders truly remarkable. He represents President Kennedy's ideal

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Speaker 1: of compromises of issues, not of principles. Sanders has used

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Speaker 1: his unique position as the loan independent congressman to help

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Speaker 1: Democrats and Republicans force hearings on the internal structure of

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Speaker 1: the International Monetary Fund, which he sees as excessively powerful

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Speaker 1: and unaccountable. He also succeeded in quietly persuading reluctant Republicans

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Speaker 1: and President Clinton to ban the import of products made

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Speaker 1: by underage workers. It's kind of weird, actually that that

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Speaker 1: had to be done right. Moving on, uh, Sanders drew

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Speaker 1: some criticism from the far left when he chose to

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Speaker 1: grudgingly endorse President Clinton's bids for election and re election

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Speaker 1: as president. Sanders explained that while he disagreed with many

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Speaker 1: of Clinton's centrist policies, he felt that he was the

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Speaker 1: best option for America's working class. And I'm gonna quickly

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Speaker 1: stop here because I think this is kind of interesting. Um,

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Speaker 1: because so recently Pete was at a union UM meeting

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Speaker 1: in Cedar Rapids. You know how he meant, and actually

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Speaker 1: that union members are worried about their private insurance. That's

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Speaker 1: not super true. Um. Actually the nurses union supports it

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Speaker 1: Medicare for all specifically. UM. Seems like those like a

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Speaker 1: real important endorse um. But but what what wh nurses

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Speaker 1: know about healthcare? They're just failed doctors. There you go. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't mean that, nurses. You don't believe that. I

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Speaker 1: do not believe that. What if you listen to teachers

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Speaker 1: and nurses on things. No, no, no, no, no no no,

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Speaker 1: under no circumstances. They are allowed to teach our children

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Speaker 1: and give us life saving healthcare, but we do not

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Speaker 1: listen to them under any circumstances. Shut up and do

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Speaker 1: your job, nurses. Yeah, and Cody, Yeah, thank you? Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right then. Um, so I actually looked into Bernie's

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Speaker 1: endorsement of Bill Clinton. I'm not going to read it

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Speaker 1: but all but it is fucking hilarious. Um I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna be some real, real quick quotes endorsement of Bill

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Speaker 1: Clinton that he's talking about. In terms of who to

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Speaker 1: support for president, the choice is really not difficult. I

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Speaker 1: am certainly not a big fan of Bill Clinton's politics.

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Speaker 1: As a strong advocate of a single payer health care system,

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Speaker 1: I oppose his convoluted healthcare. He goes on and on.

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Speaker 1: He's basically the entire time he's saying, without enthusiasm, I've

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Speaker 1: decided to support Bill Clinton for president. Perhaps support is

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Speaker 1: too strong a word. I'm planning no press conferences to

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Speaker 1: push his candidacy and will do no campaigning for him.

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Speaker 1: I will vote for him and make that public. Why.

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Speaker 1: I think that many people do not perceive how truly

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Speaker 1: dangerous the political situation in this country is today. If

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Speaker 1: Bob Dole were to be elected president and Gingrich and

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Speaker 1: the Republicans were to maintain control of Congress, we would

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Speaker 1: see a legislative agenda unlike any in the modern history

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Speaker 1: of this country. He goes on to warn about this.

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Speaker 1: He talks about how he knows these people. He talks

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Speaker 1: to them every day. He knows what they want, and

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Speaker 1: it's more important to support Bill Clinton because do I

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Speaker 1: have confidence that Clinton will stand up for the working

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Speaker 1: people this country, for children, for the elderly, for the

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Speaker 1: folks who are hurting. No, I do not. But a

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Speaker 1: Clinton victory could of us sometime to build a movement,

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Speaker 1: to develop a political infrastructure, to protect what needs protecting,

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Speaker 1: and to change the direction of the country. I hate

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Speaker 1: it when people are wrong. Mmm. Tie this back in

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Speaker 1: with it's not my favorite, so I I I'm telling

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Speaker 1: you this is with Pete because I think that this

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Speaker 1: is a solid endorsement of Pete if he were to

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Speaker 1: get the nomination. UM. But more than anything, UM, I

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Speaker 1: think it shows an understanding of what Republicans want and are,

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Speaker 1: and even back in the days we've talked about with Biden,

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Speaker 1: he thinks that Republicans are gonna have like this big

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Speaker 1: epiphany and like come to their senses and and compromise. Um.

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Speaker 1: Pete is recently uh said to union members and Cedar

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Speaker 1: rapids he genuinely believed President Trump when he got it

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Speaker 1: off it would pass an infrastructure bill that he promised

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Speaker 1: and he's surprised that he hasn't yet. And this, I

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Speaker 1: think is about what's surprising about that. It's that it's

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Speaker 1: the West Wing is m I think that Pete still

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Speaker 1: embodies it has where he doesn't unders stand really what's

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Speaker 1: going on. He's trying to appeal to everybody instead of

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Speaker 1: having those principles and a bold vision because as we

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Speaker 1: read in his essay about Bernie Sanders, he's he's gotten

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Speaker 1: things done with Republicans as as well as Democrats while

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Speaker 1: staying true to his vision. I don't think Pete has that.

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know I I thought that that was

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Speaker 1: a little a little relevant and interesting. Um. Uh, something

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Speaker 1: that he had praised in the past and probably wouldn't

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Speaker 1: understand nowadays. UM. But uh, where we are at with

841
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Speaker 1: Pete now? UM? I want to talk about a story

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Speaker 1: that's sort of developing. UM that we may have heard

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Speaker 1: that Pete is struggling with black voters. UM. And there's

844
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Speaker 1: this narrative of that. It's there's a homophobia and a

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Speaker 1: memo in his campaign basically saying that like they think

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Speaker 1: that older black voters are too homophobic to vote for Pete. UM.

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Speaker 1: This is mostly based off of one uh focus group

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Speaker 1: they had, Yeah, with twenty four people, and some of

849
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Speaker 1: the older black folks were a little uneasy about Pete

850
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: and I would pose it that perhaps there are better

851
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: candidates on issues that black potters care about, and perhaps

852
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: his history and has something more to do with it

853
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: his relationship with the police. And yeah, and uh so

854
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: he actually fired his city's city as mayor of UM,

855
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: their first ever black police chief, Darryl Boykins. There's a

856
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: federal investigation revealed that South Bend police were illegally recording

857
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: phone calls of officers. UM. This was done to basically

858
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: h see if there were many racists in the police force,

859
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: UM and to find corruption and at glacs from them. Um.

860
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: Boykins was replaced by two white police chiefs. Yeah. Wait

861
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: so they he was fired because he instituted the program

862
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: of recording police officer phone conversation. Boykins was looking for

863
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: racism and corruption UM in his police force. And uh

864
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: he was fired when that was discovered by Mayor Pete

865
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: and and Boykin, the police chief was illegally recording the

866
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: phone conversations of his mean, I mean that sucks to

867
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: be That is a fucking g move. I am not

868
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: normally pro cop, but I am definitely pro cop who

869
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:46,479
Speaker 1: illegally records other cops. That's fucking solid solid. I feel

870
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: like that's a crime. But okay, I agree, I get

871
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: the point. Like and yeah, I mean I think whether

872
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: or not it's a crime to me means less than

873
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: like was it was? It was it morally the right thing? Yeah,

874
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: it sounds like so I have super no problem with

875
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: what boygans did. UM. And actually the police communications director

876
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,720
Speaker 1: alleged that the recordings UM actually captured for senior police

877
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: officers making racist remarks and discussing a legal acts. UM.

878
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: So perhaps though yeah, surprising, although it was illegal, UM,

879
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 1: maybe it was not the worst move to find this information.

880
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: So that's one thing that maybe people have a problem with.

881
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: And maybe that's more what his Uh the issue is

882
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: UM among black voters. Also, UM, white police officers shot

883
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: Eric Logan, black man. And after this, Pete met with

884
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter. He did call for a special prosecutor

885
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: to investigate UM. But he had these calls with Black

886
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: Lives Matter activists and the reaction was not great. Uh,

887
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: they kind of felt like he didn't really care. He

888
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: was insincere on the calls. And felt like he was

889
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: sort of rushing along like it was something he had

890
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: to do. Um, although the police union criticizes his decision

891
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: as being politically motivated. So it's kind of the same thing. Yeah,

892
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: both becausing the same thing. Yeah, kind of a damned

893
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: if you do damned if you're getting down't a little

894
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: bit share a little bit. And his sort of response

895
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: is just like, yeah, I messed up. And I think

896
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 1: that it's a little disingenuous to frame it as though

897
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: it's this homophobia when there are actual issues the community

898
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: that he has in his past and that that like

899
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: that that really ties into one of his constant issues,

900
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: which is just this like this complete failure to be

901
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: willing to take a bold side, Like it's one of

902
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: those things. Even if the side he'd picked in that

903
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: had been like going all out for the police, at

904
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: least it would have been a stance. But like he

905
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: clearly he wasn't willing to do that, this disappointing hedging,

906
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: this willing unwilling to like, yeah, take a bold stance

907
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: or like take when when he talks about it, I

908
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 1: think least people cold because there's a lack of taking

909
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: any responsibility or uh, seeming to learn from things that

910
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: have happened. Yeah, yeah, you're you're running to be the

911
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 1: president of a party that doesn't win without the black vote.

912
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: Take a stance in favor of Black Lives Matter? Um,

913
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: Like what do you like? What do you what? What

914
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: election do you think this is? Do you think you're

915
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: gonna get like the maga hat voting crowd to go

916
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: for you because you weren't willing to back b LM?

917
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: Like what is what is your strategic decision there, Pete? Exactly,

918
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: it's it's nothing. Um, it's and it's sort of why

919
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to read that, uh, the Bill Clinton endorsement

920
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 1: from Bernie, because it's at least an understanding of, like,

921
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 1: this is what the situation is, and here's what we

922
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: need to do. So I'm just gonna say that. Um.

923
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: And with Pete, he is a sort of I have

924
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: an empty vessel. And his responses to like the Black

925
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: Lives Matter criticism things like that are McKenzie h through

926
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: through um and he really doesn't really want to talk

927
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: about his time there. Um. Another program he actually had

928
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: when he's mayor. It's called one Thousand Homes in one

929
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: thousand Days. Who's his plan to uh demolish or renovate homes.

930
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: Um and uh Bouts took note Um later of the

931
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: fact that many homes within communities of color were the

932
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: ones demolished. Interesting did they get rebuilt? They just got

933
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: taken away demolished homes. So shame he couldn't have done

934
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: anything about the way that program was executed. I wish

935
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: we know what he needed to do to fix up.

936
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: Only he'd been the mayor. I think he should have

937
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: been the president. If you were the president, that would

938
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: have been taken care of. So I think that there's

939
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: there's an element Pete. Pete is the if we ignore

940
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,240
Speaker 1: Joe Biden because I think Um, despite being very popular

941
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 1: with older voters, Pete is the d n C candidate. Well,

942
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: he's certainly over the course of this election cycle has

943
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: taxed to the middle like you've seen him be like, yep,

944
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'll be the young moderate option. Would you

945
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: say that politicians are rushing for the center, careful not

946
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: to stick their next out on issues, I would say

947
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: that one specific politicians. Would you write it down if

948
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: you were a senior in high school and you wanted

949
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: to win the John F. Kennedy Profiles and Cocourage say contest, alright,

950
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: cool thin. Anybody who wrote that in a John F.

951
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: Kennedy Profiles and Courage essay contest while they were in

952
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: high school would grow into the kind of person who

953
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: would never perfectly embody those words and would always take

954
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: the right stance, even if it wasn't the easy one. Okay,

955
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: I agree with you completely. And it's very clear that

956
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: the DNC wants this man and the media is very

957
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: into him. You see a lot of headlines recently about

958
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: Buddha Jedge being in fourth place, but a strong fourth

959
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: Buddha Judge surging to third place, this kind of uh

960
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: inevitability of bud Yeah, there's certainly a narrative happening. It's

961
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: like they're testing the wins and seeing like, oh, people

962
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: don't love that Biden guy. Let's write they need somebody

963
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: else to get in because they can't have a Sanders

964
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: or a warrant. It almost feels like there's also just

965
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: this idea that the media is hyping up the conflict.

966
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: I mean, there's conflict, but you know like, oh, now

967
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: this person is coming like the drama, the drama of

968
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: it for likes and clicks yeah, and shares and stuff,

969
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: and there's just a lot of excitement about um, maybe

970
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: perhaps having a long term goal of medicare for all,

971
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: but for now having a glide path. A glide path

972
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: is a is a fun little term. Well, you've got

973
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: to have some humility when you're talking about the humility

974
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: when you're talking about health care. Um, if you had

975
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: arrogantly insist that people deserve access to life saving medical treatments,

976
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: well you can't say healthcare is human right and then

977
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: actually put forth an actual vision of that being true. See,

978
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: my my job as a leader is not to lead,

979
00:58:55,360 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: it's to let people figure it out. Mm hmmmm mmmmmmmm um.

980
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: And uh, we talk on the worst year ever about

981
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: sort of like what's to come and um, I think

982
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: one of the things that we don't it's not talked

983
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: about much or considered in terms of uh the candidate, um,

984
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: is how will this person speak around or to Donald Trump?

985
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,479
Speaker 1: And I'm just not sure if this dweeb from South

986
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: Bend is up for the task? Um I think so.

987
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: I think in term of the energy we're gonna get

988
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: from Pete, is this sort of mealy mouthed uh not

989
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: committed to much uh Foe Bold mckenziean company speak about

990
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,959
Speaker 1: choice and so on. Um, there's a clip going around

991
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: that you can see of his campaign getting ready for

992
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: a rally and they're teaching everybody this dance and it's

993
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: just the dorkiest thing you can imagine. It's you you roll,

994
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: you roll around your arms to the left and you

995
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: do it to the right and then you clap and

996
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: we're it's uh it really musical theater, high school stuff. Um,

997
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: it's very reminiscent of there's a clip you can see

998
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: from d n C. Yeah, I retweeted that. Yeah, Um

999
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: it's them. It's all these lanyard dorks doing the macarena. Um.

1000
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: And it should be pointed out they won. They won

1001
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: that year, you know. Um was a hit. Also it's

1002
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: a different time now, Um, they were running up against

1003
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: other complete dorks. I just have a hard time seeing

1004
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: him holding his own next to Donald Trump on stage,

1005
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: just uh, you know, in terms of how how he

1006
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: comes across it energetically. But that's that's going. It was

1007
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: more important stuff. But to consider, right, it's the They

1008
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: have an ad on on his website to enter to

1009
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: win tickets to see Hamilton's with my husband, Why would

1010
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: I want to go with Jastin to be like it's yeah,

1011
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: so you know, I didn't want to get too much

1012
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,439
Speaker 1: into it. Every single thing he's done or is form

1013
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: because I don't think that matters as much as knowing

1014
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: the kind of politician he is. And so again I

1015
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: want to shame him into basically just reading what he

1016
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: wrote in high school and dropping out and supporting Bernie

1017
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: s love to have somebody bring it up with him, like, oh,

1018
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: we found this essay that you wrote in high school

1019
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: all about Bernie Sanders and everything would be an interesting

1020
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: um place to jump off of to talk about your

1021
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: political evolution. I suppose what do you still believe from this?

1022
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: It's interesting that a lot of your career is sort

1023
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: of opposed to this essay. So I'm just gonna close

1024
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: it out with Pete Buddha j Edge on his endorsement

1025
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: of Bernie Sanders for president. Sanders positions on many difficult

1026
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: issues are commendable, but as real impact has been as

1027
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: a reaction to the cynical climate which threatens the effectiveness

1028
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: of the democratic system. His energy, candor, conviction, and ability

1029
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: to bring people together stand against the current of opportunism,

1030
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: moral compromise, and partisanship which runs rampant on the American

1031
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: political scene. He and few others like him have the

1032
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: power to restore principle and leadership in Congress, and to

1033
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: win back the faith of a voting public weary and

1034
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: wary of political opportunism. Above all, I commend Bernie Sanders

1035
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: for giving me an answer to those who say American

1036
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: young people see politics as a cesspool of corruption beyond redemption.

1037
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: I have heard that no sensible young person today would

1038
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: want to give his or her life to public service.

1039
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: I can personally assure you this is untrue. Well, that

1040
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,919
Speaker 1: is a resounding endorsement of Bernie Sanders that he wrote

1041
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: when he was eighteen. Resounding endorsement. Um and again, I

1042
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: think it speaks to that Robberty you were talking about

1043
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: earlier of like he just wants to be in office,

1044
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, like that's what his evolution has sort of

1045
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: happened again, very much like the politician. Oh, there's like

1046
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: an aspect of that that's like that's defensible because obviously

1047
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: if you don't win office, you can't do anything. And

1048
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: so I am on that side of it's like it's

1049
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: better to have a moderate Democrat in there than a

1050
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: literal fascist, because you can push the moderate democratic at

1051
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: the same time. I've lived through the last twenty years,

1052
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: and I watched a guy, Barack Obama, who was kind

1053
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: of similar in some ways to Bootage, but actually took

1054
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: more stances when he was running for president much further

1055
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: to the left, and still ran right to the center,

1056
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: even the center right when he actually got into office.

1057
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: And so I'm looking at Boota Jage and I'm going

1058
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: Number one, the fact that Barack Obama ran to the

1059
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: center allowed the Republicans to push this country even further

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Speaker 1: to the right by two thousand and sixteen. And number two, uh,

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Speaker 1: if Boota Jage won't even go as far as Obama

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Speaker 1: did in two thousand and eight to the left, like,

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Speaker 1: we're just gonna get pushed by the time if you

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Speaker 1: winsour will be even further right. Likely we can't survive that.

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Speaker 1: It's hard, because I I do understand it's hard to

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Speaker 1: get your liberal ship done when we've got so many

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Speaker 1: conservatives in in the Senate and Congress. I understand that.

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Speaker 1: But if there's something that we need to have learned

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Speaker 1: from the past twenty years is that you have to

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Speaker 1: be bolder and more aggressive that you can't just be

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Speaker 1: like Ameli wishy washy democrats. You have to get hold

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Speaker 1: and you have to fight really hard. And I don't

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Speaker 1: obviously see that in p right, And I think that

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Speaker 1: there's a another lesson from sixteen aside from that is

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Speaker 1: uh that um above all else, even though he lives

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Speaker 1: in a literal golden tower. Um, there's a very large

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Speaker 1: anti establishment sentiment that is driving politics these days and

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Speaker 1: everything Pete says and his entire career UM is that

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Speaker 1: his time at McKenzie and Company has taught him how

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Speaker 1: to be that and talk like that and talk like

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Speaker 1: somebody that you can't really trust. Yeah, he sounds like

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Speaker 1: a part of the establishment. There's a deep hunger for

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Speaker 1: authenticity and hunger for a politician who's going to like

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Speaker 1: take a stance like Pete. Pete knows this because he

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Speaker 1: quotes JFK constantly. JFK didn't get up there and say

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Speaker 1: we choose to go to the moon or wherever, like like,

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Speaker 1: there was a there was a bold and risky and

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Speaker 1: and uh daring stance, which is why we remember JFK.

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Speaker 1: Aside from the getting shot thing, like he was a

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Speaker 1: guy who would take a fucking who would call a shot,

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Speaker 1: and it was a fire shot. And Pete is a bunter, yes,

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Speaker 1: but also Pete called this shot a year ago and

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Speaker 1: was very clear about about that, and then he over

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Speaker 1: time is like alms, bunt a little bit um And

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Speaker 1: now we get things like I think it could very

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Speaker 1: well be the long run destination and having a glide

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Speaker 1: path to this thing that we actually want. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: Republicans didn't glide into putting people in camps. They just

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Speaker 1: went for it. And now there's people shoot it in. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they dropped in there like well now they're in camps.

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Speaker 1: Well I guess we've been putting people camps for a while. Yes, yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: but they sure parachuted it into ramping that up. All right,

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Speaker 1: Well it's time for us to wrap this up. Thanks

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Speaker 1: again Cody for doing all that. Um, if you guys

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Speaker 1: would like, and I'd like you to like to do this,

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Speaker 1: check us out online social media at worst your pod,

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Speaker 1: you know, on the Twitter, in the Instagram. Um, I'm

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Speaker 1: Katie Stole online and in life I'm Cody Johnston and wait,

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Speaker 1: Robert Evans, you can find me I right, Okay, and

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Speaker 1: you can find my friend Cody Johnston and Dr Mr Cody. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: you guys took care of that very well. It's really

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Speaker 1: weird when you call somebody to dweeve and then you

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Speaker 1: guys do that. Unbelievable. I mean, it's more in sing

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Speaker 1: if we did that bit, because I'm very clearly not

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Speaker 1: a man. But there's so many pictures of us holding

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Speaker 1: rifles wrong in the desert too. It's we're We're all.

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Speaker 1: We're all Mayor Pete, and Mayor Pete is America and

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Speaker 1: that's the message of this episode. Thanks for listening. I'm

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Speaker 1: Mayor Pete and I this episode in Bernie Sanders everything

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Speaker 1: everything so again. I tried Worst Your Ever is a

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from my

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Speaker 1: heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

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