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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this episode number tay. In

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Speaker 1: the show, we're discussing the final most important moments of

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Speaker 1: the hunt, the moment of truth, the shot. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Sick of Gear, and today we're talking about the

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Speaker 1: moment of truth, those final moments leading up to a shot,

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Speaker 1: in those simple you seconds that sometimes I can feel

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Speaker 1: like an eternity leading up to you pulling that trigger

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Speaker 1: or releasing an arrow, and that's the shot. Today we're

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Speaker 1: going to be talking about the challenges that Dan and

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Speaker 1: I have had when it comes to handling these moments.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about ways that we have

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Speaker 1: and others can try to become a better shot. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about buck fever and a whole lot more.

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Speaker 1: And frankly, I think this is going to be an

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Speaker 1: interesting discussion because it's something that you know, both I

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Speaker 1: think I've struggled with at times. I think Dan maybe

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Speaker 1: have struggled with this at times, and I can almost

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Speaker 1: guarantee that everybody listening to everybody's listening to this today

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Speaker 1: probably has struggled with some aspect of this too. And

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Speaker 1: you know, regardless of of all the tactics, all the tips,

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Speaker 1: all the new strategies that we've talked about in this show,

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Speaker 1: you know, whether you have a great stand location or

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Speaker 1: dynamite food plot or trail camera pictures of a buck

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Speaker 1: for for ten years, none of that matters if you

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Speaker 1: can't master the final moment of truth. So that, my friends,

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Speaker 1: is where we're headed today. But before we get into

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Speaker 1: all that, Dan, Mr co host, we missed you like

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Speaker 1: this week? What's new? Yeah? I had to Uh, I

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Speaker 1: had to text Ben and tell him I was sorry

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Speaker 1: that I wasn't able to attend the podcast. But um,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna answer that question by asking you a question.

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Speaker 1: Al Right, So this is where the editing started. Okay, No,

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Speaker 1: but um, every once in a while, you you like

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Speaker 1: babysit your what your sister in law's kids? Right? Yeah? Right? So, um,

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Speaker 1: how how young is the youngest one? Uh? She's a

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Speaker 1: little over one year old. Okay, still in diapers? Oh yeah? Okay,

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Speaker 1: So have you ever witnessed a blowout on that on

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Speaker 1: So speaking of blowouts, last week, my my son had

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Speaker 1: He seems to be doing better now, but every time

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Speaker 1: he would crap, it was in the mass quantities I mean, like,

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Speaker 1: how you deal with that. Five straight days of that,

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Speaker 1: Holy smokes, it was gross, But in a way, as

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Speaker 1: right there. That kid, that kid blows out diapers. It

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Speaker 1: takes big dumps for sure. You seriously your Mac is like,

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Speaker 1: Posted a picture on Facebook or Instagram or something the

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Speaker 1: get out of the plants. Squired them all right, that

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Speaker 1: it's a I don't see anything too wrong with that, right,

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Speaker 1: A little water in the face never hurt anyone. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: So so what else? What else happened? Well, since we

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Speaker 1: but I didn't really give the listeners any details. So

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep the last not this weekend, but last weekend. Okay,

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Speaker 1: last weekend I went shed hunting. Found three sheds. I'm

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Speaker 1: So this is pretty funny. So we're we're shed hunting

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Speaker 1: he's focused, and he's not focused like autopilot focused. He's

425
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 1: focused like you know, like sometimes when a big buck

426
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,719
Speaker 1: steps out and you get and it's just when you

427
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 1: when you try to think back and replay what happened

428
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 1: in your in your head, it kind of it's patchy. Yep,

429
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,679
Speaker 1: definitely Yep. That doesn't happen with this guy. Yeah, he is.

430
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: He is on it. And I think something you said

431
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 1: probably and I think it's a good question. You know,

432
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 1: are you born that way or is that a learned

433
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 1: you know, mental state? Is that just that there's still

434
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: after you get so experienced you just have it. I

435
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean you and me both like I've

436
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 1: been hunting my whole life. You've been hunting your whole life.

437
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: And I'm still not acent there. I'm definitely getting better. UM.

438
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: But I wonder if some of these people, if there's

439
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,479
Speaker 1: just some type of genetic predisposition to just be in

440
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 1: the moment fully and completely and and not get shaken up,

441
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: not have nerves, not have any issues with focus. Um,

442
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: Or if maybe it's just simply you've hunted for so long,

443
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 1: you've killed so many deer, you've been through that moment

444
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: so many times that now it's just it's just flawless.

445
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've definitely seen myself in a second.

446
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about each r of our what

447
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 1: the moment of truth looks like for you? Um. I

448
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: was kind of talking about that. This was my friends

449
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: this weekend. UM, And I'm getting you know, I'm seeing

450
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 1: progress in how I react during the moment of truth definitely, UM.

451
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: But I'm definitely not, you know, like that guy. UM.

452
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: So it's it's an interesting conversation, that's for sure. UM.

453
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 1: And you know another thing, I'm I'm kind of bouncing

454
00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: around here, but do you how do you feel about

455
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: out kill? I want to touch on this killer instinct

456
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: one one time, one other one other thing here. Um,

457
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: And I think, like you mentioned, maybe I don't need

458
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: to explain this to people. Maybe maybe everybody's like this.

459
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,959
Speaker 1: I don't know, um, but I don't. I don't even

460
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: know where I'm going. I'm having a hard time putting

461
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: words to how I'm feeling about this. But I guess

462
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: we'll move on. How do you let's I think I

463
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 1: know what you're trying to say. It's when this, dear,

464
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: are you talking about bucks in particular, or killing any

465
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: deer that might be any any animal even see? For me,

466
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: this is this is how I'll be. I'll be honest

467
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: with you. When I was a kid, my uh, you know,

468
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: I I was raised on a farm, Okay, so death

469
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: was part of life. I mean my I would watch

470
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 1: my grandpa cut the heads off chickens, you know. I

471
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: would watch my uh grandpa butcher a cow or a

472
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: hog right in front of me, blood and guts and

473
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: all that stuff. And it's it's just a part of life.

474
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: So and I don't know if I think a lot

475
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 1: of it has to do with how you're raised, because

476
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 1: for me, I don't. I really don't think twice about

477
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: like I appreciate the life of an animal I mean,

478
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: and I'm an animal lover. I love dogs and you know,

479
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: pets and birds, and I love watching nature. But when

480
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 1: it comes to taking the life of like a dough,

481
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: I know for a fact that I'm going to get

482
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: the job done, or that's my goal anyway, and I

483
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: really can't think twice about it. And I think to

484
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: tie in this killer instinct to maybe a little bit

485
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: of buck fever or target panic or something like that,

486
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: I think that that has if if that's in the

487
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: back of your head when you're drawing back your bow

488
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: and you're thinking about the I don't know, maybe the ethics.

489
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's necessarily the word, but thinking

490
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: about how this animal is going to feel it could

491
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: it could cause a problem. Yeah, no, definitely. So the

492
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: way I look at it is it's it's more binary

493
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: for me. It's this deer or animal will be getting

494
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 1: an arrow or it will not be getting an arrow.

495
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: If that makes sense. Yeah, I know it does. Um

496
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: And I think that kind of ties into what I

497
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: where I was trying to go to. I think for me,

498
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's weird and maybe maybe everybody goes

499
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: through this, maybe not, I don't know. But we know

500
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, like you don't necessarily even

501
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: though I was raised to have a very real appreciation

502
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: for life and death and and all these types of things.

503
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: I think, you know, when I was younger, when I

504
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: was ten or twelve or thirteen or whatever, I got

505
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: my first BB gun or I got my first twenty two,

506
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: and I was shooting away at you know, anything was

507
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 1: moving right that. I think most little kids are kind

508
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: of like that. If you're raised in in the outdoors

509
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: and you want to try to shoot a raccoon, you

510
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: want to try to shoot a squirrel, you want to

511
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: shoot the little tweet bird on the bird feeder, and

512
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: you're learning all this kind of stuff. Um, And as

513
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: I've progressed as a hunter, I become much more serious

514
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: about a hunter. And I've as a hunter, I've become

515
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: much more serious about my endeavors. Or I'm hunting all

516
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: sorts of different types of species. I'm going other places

517
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: I hunt even more. But on the other side of things,

518
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: I am very much more thoughtful and concerned about taking

519
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: a life. And and by that I mean I and

520
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna look down anyone else for what they do,

521
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: you know, whatever everyone has their own thing. But I

522
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: have gotten to the point I do not feel comfortable

523
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: shooting and killing any kind of animal unless I'm eating it,

524
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: Unless it there has to be a real damn good

525
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: reason for me to shoot and kill that animal. So

526
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: for that reason, I don't trap. I don't do other

527
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: things like that. Nothing against any anyone that does, nothing

528
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: against people that want to shoot coyotes or other things,

529
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 1: because it's plenty of good reasons to do all these

530
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: different things. But just for me personally, my own personal situation,

531
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: I have a hard time justifying taking a life in

532
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: less at least for me, ingesting that animal, eating that animal,

533
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: putting it to good use to feed my family in

534
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: some way. That's how I can kind of internally balance

535
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 1: the scales in my head. And so you know that's

536
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: where I'm at right now. Um, But that does, I

537
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: think to your point, and then in the moment of truth,

538
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: because I feel very I feel I feel solid in

539
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 1: my knowledge of the reason I'm taking that shot and

540
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: taking that animal's life, and I'm comfortable with that and

541
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,239
Speaker 1: have kind of terms with that. So I don't have

542
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: that issue like you mentioned. But there's certainly are times

543
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: like we're even even in my case, I kill a

544
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: lot of deer. I do a lot of hunting. I

545
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: even do still have times where I pause, like like

546
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: a female dough with a couple of young deer, a

547
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: couple you know, yearlings with her. I've had times where

548
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: I've I've been out there to shoot a dough, was

549
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: gonna shoot a dough and I just saw her out

550
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: there with the two little doughs, with her frocking around,

551
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: was like, I just don't want to kill that deer.

552
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: I just in the moment. You know, I've taken female

553
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: adult does with young before and other times I'm like,

554
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: you know what, I just I don't want to do that.

555
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 1: It just doesn't feel right. Um, And I don't know,

556
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: maybe we all have different thoughts on that and at

557
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: different times, and it's a it's an interesting conversation. I'm

558
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,239
Speaker 1: not sure there's right there's no right answer to any

559
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: of it, and I'm not sure where we're going with this.

560
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: But these are my thoughts on this, and I don't

561
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: it's the kind of things that, like you said, it

562
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: kind of does tie into it because if you're having

563
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: a lot of these thoughts in the moment, it certainly

564
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: could impact your ability to bring that shot process to fulfillment, right,

565
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: I don't There's a lot of times where and this

566
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: sounds this may sound crazy, but you you have to

567
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: think like a predator at certain times, and if your

568
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: goal is to kill an animal for meat, you have

569
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: to think like a mountain lion or a wolf or

570
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: a bobcat. Do you think that wolf cares what that

571
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: DearS thinking. Do you think that wolf or whatever animal

572
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: that predator cares if that dough has fawns. You know,

573
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,959
Speaker 1: nature works itself out, and unfortunately, hunters are part of

574
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: the food chain. So um, you know, I've I've been

575
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: in that same boat with you where I'm sitting and

576
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: I watched a dough come through, and maybe that maybe

577
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: that that fawn or that yearling is still maybe nursing

578
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: a little bit. I won't shoot that dough. But if

579
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: I see that that that that fawn is independent and

580
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: is eating the grass or the corn or the um,

581
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: the acorns or whatever, that good chance that mature dough

582
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: is probably going to get, you know, get get an arrow.

583
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: Depending on what time of year, obviously, yeah, yeah, And

584
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: I think to all this, right, we're all at a

585
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: different place. You know, we all have different thoughts on this,

586
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: and you know, different ways of justifying why we hunt

587
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: and kill an animal. Um. But I think maybe the

588
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: most important thing, and we've alluded to this on other

589
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: episode when we talk through some of these things, but

590
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: I think, if anything, I just think it's important that

591
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: we as hunters take the time to to have some

592
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: actual thoughts on this, to think about it, right, you know,

593
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: I think you know, when I was you know, when

594
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: I was younger, right, I just hunted because of what

595
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: we always did. I never thought about it. I just

596
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: hunted and I killed, and that was it just was.

597
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: I didn't actually take take time to think about it,

598
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: to think about why and how and what it means

599
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: and the ramifications and without you know, getting too deep

600
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: and floaty with us. I think it's just worthwhile for

601
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: everyone to to take some time to think about that, because, right,

602
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: this is a very serious thing we're doing. When you

603
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: take a life as something not to be taken, you know,

604
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: trite lee, it's not something that's uh fun and games.

605
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: I hate I don't like the term sport hunting or

606
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: the term when we when we talk about saying this

607
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: as a sport because I feel like it's it's way

608
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: more serious than that, right, I mean, this isn't tossing

609
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: a ball around. This is putting a razor sharp arrow

610
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: through an animal, through its heart, through its lungs, and

611
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna die. And so that's it's a really serious thing.

612
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: And so I personally, and again maybe this is maybe

613
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: I'm on my on the you know, the high Mountain

614
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: talking down everyone. I don't mean to be like that, um,

615
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: but I just think it's important that we all realize

616
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: the serious of seriousness of it, think about it, keep

617
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: that in mind, um, and approach hunting in a serious,

618
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: respectful manner and not lightly, not like we're just going

619
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: out there toss the ball around, um, but understanding the

620
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: gravity of the situation. So I'm done, I'm done with

621
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: my that that's a good I mean, you make a

622
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: valid point, because, um, who's the guy we had on

623
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: the show who talked to like this, Shane mohoney, Shane mohon,

624
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: Shane mohoney, and he and he said it perfectly, until

625
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: the day that deer met you, it had lived a

626
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: free existence, and it had lived an awesome life of freedom,

627
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: and you know, and then you took it and you

628
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: consumed it. What's the difference between you and a wolf

629
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: or a bobcat or getting a disease and dying at

630
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: some point? You know, a life is lineal. Yeah, and

631
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's uh, it's a very natural and

632
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: I think a privilege. It's a natural thing and a

633
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: privilege to be able to be part of that cycle.

634
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: That's a pretty special thing. I think. You know, non

635
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: hunters obviously can't relate, and sometimes they, you know, look

636
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: down on us or get angry about what we do.

637
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: But I think, um, obviously we that are part of

638
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: it know that there's something pretty special going on there

639
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: that when you do, uh, participate in that, it's uh,

640
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: you know, I think we all sometimes struggle to put

641
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: words to it. But it's a powerful thing. It's powerful.

642
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: That's That's one thing I think we can all agree with.

643
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: So um so that all aside. I guess we work

644
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: as we do. We're kind of going off on hand.

645
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: It's sort of sort of related to the main conversation here,

646
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: but a little bit off. Now, let's talk about that

647
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: moment when it happens. I want to share how how

648
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: I function in the moment. I'm curious about how you

649
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: do you are? Let's you're in the tree standards November five,

650
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: A shooter buck hunter, four year old shooter buck for

651
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: you in Iowa, steps out comes towards you. Walk me

652
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: through what your mental process looks like, what's your physical

653
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: process looks like? How do you handle that moment? I'm

654
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: curious about how your mind handles it? What are your struggles?

655
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: And I've got something I can share on that from

656
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: my INTWO. So you know, I wish I could answer

657
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: that question really easy. But is it okay with you

658
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: if I kind of go talk about my past a

659
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,959
Speaker 1: little bit, That's a that's a great place to start. Okay.

660
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: So the first two deer that I consider mature bucks

661
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: that I killed with my bow. We're bucks that I

662
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: had ever seen before. Okay. I wasn't running trail cameras

663
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: back then, um or or a lot of them. I

664
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: didn't have any history with these deer, so I didn't

665
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: know who they were. I looked at him, I said, mature,

666
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: it's a shooter. Okay. So back back when I first

667
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: started bow hunting, I my first buck came out of

668
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: the timber that I knew it was gonna I knew

669
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: I was going to shoot. It looked around me. I'm like, okay,

670
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: this is a shooter. I draw back, and there was

671
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: really no thought about. There wasn't any extra thought. I

672
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: knew I had to find my anchor, put the site

673
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: where it needed to be, and release the arrow. That

674
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 1: was That was my first two deer that I ever shot.

675
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: We're just like that because I had no history with him,

676
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: and I think this this was kind of part of

677
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: the problem with my encounter with shipwreck that deer. I

678
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: had five years of history with this buck. I found

679
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: sheds off him. I was completely obsessed with him. I

680
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: thought about this buck every day I had in previous

681
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: encounters with him, and when he came through, all this

682
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: stuff started flashing in my head. I had you know,

683
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: they say, act like you've been there before. Well, with

684
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: a buck of that caliber, I had never been there before.

685
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: So I admittedly got buck fever. All the stuff that

686
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: was coming, all the all the thoughts in the past

687
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: was coming in my brain and and I was thinking

688
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: about some of those things when I should have been

689
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: thinking on on the shot. And I admittedly got buck fever.

690
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: And that's not the very first buck that I've ever

691
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: had buck fever on I missed. When you say buck fever,

692
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 1: what does that look like feel like? For you? To me?

693
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: It is a fog almost where you look, you identify

694
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: the buck as a shooter, and you know that Like

695
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: for me, I I've I've known these deer through trail

696
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: camera picks and they I've targeted their their targets because

697
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: I know going into the season that if they make

698
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: an appearance, they're they're a shooter and it becomes an autopilot.

699
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: But it's a foggy autopilot, if that makes sense. So

700
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: it's like, if you asked me to describe in detail

701
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: what happened, I really couldn't. I really couldn't do that.

702
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: You know. I remember settling the pin and then shooting there,

703
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 1: but I don't remember standing up. I don't remember grabbing

704
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: my bow. I don't remember waiting until he got into

705
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: a shooting lane. I can't tell you that kind of

706
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: detail that I could. Like. So, up until that shipwreck moment,

707
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 1: I was I target some can call it target panic.

708
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: I I was not focused. I had never been there before,

709
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: so I had to learn that feeling and then I

710
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,959
Speaker 1: could learn how to how to beat it all. Right.

711
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: So I don't know how many years. I think it

712
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: was the next year or the year after when I

713
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 1: shot my I think it was two thousand and twelve.

714
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: When I shot my buck, I identified it was a shooter.

715
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: I saw it, you know, I had it. I had

716
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: watched it for maybe thirty minutes before I even shot it,

717
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: so I had time for my for myself to settle down.

718
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: In the past, if I watched the deer for a

719
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: long time, I would get more nervous and more nervous

720
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: and more nervous. Two thousand twelve comes by, I knew

721
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: how to beat those feelings. I started taking deep breaths,

722
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: I started talking to myself, Hey man, you got this,

723
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: you got this, you got this, you know. But came

724
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: up and I killed it, all right. And it's one

725
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: of those things where I can remember standing up, I

726
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: can remember waiting for him to turn broadside. When he

727
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: turned broadside in this particular instance, he was head on.

728
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: I remember drawing back, I remember settling my pin, and

729
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: I remember pulling the trigger, and I remember impact, and

730
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: I remember all those things. So I know that there

731
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: that I was focused enough to have I I feel

732
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: have beat that target panic and that you know that

733
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: that buck fever. I guess no, sorry saying you haven't

734
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: had it since and and I don't. I honestly don't

735
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 1: think that you know I've had I've had some buck fever,

736
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: and I even get it a little bit when I

737
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm drawing back on does you know when I'm like

738
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: my first deer of the year like this this year,

739
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 1: the first two does that I killed this year were

740
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: We're the first two deer that I had killed in

741
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: two years. I hadn't killed a deer in two years,

742
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: so so so I was jacked. I was excited. I

743
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: was happy. I don't think I would call it I

744
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: had target panic because I drilled them both. But the

745
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: buck that I missed this year was was not I

746
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: don't feel it was target panic. I feel it was

747
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: just me making an error in range. Yeah, because I

748
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: can tell you exactly what happened. I stood up, grab

749
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: my bow, you know, waited for him to get into

750
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: the opening, drew back, and all that stuff. I can

751
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: tell you in detail. There was there's no fog. I

752
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: made an error in range. Yeah. Yeah, I think I

753
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: think I can relate to a lot of what you

754
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 1: said there. Um, you know, for me. When I first

755
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: started bow hunting. The first few deer I shot, it

756
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: was like it was like I blacked out. It was

757
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: like this deer. I saw a deer coming, all right,

758
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot it. And then the next thing I know,

759
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: I shot the arrow and the deer is running off,

760
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, holy smokes, what the heck just happened? Um?

761
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that has changed, definitely has

762
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: changed with with practice and with with experience. UM. But

763
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: I did worry, you know, that was back when I

764
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: was shooting you know, any deer. And then I eventually,

765
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: you know, made the switch to Okay, I'm gonna shoot

766
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 1: a maturity or now. And then I started worried, worrying,

767
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: you know, how am I going to react in the

768
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: moment with a big buck, with the mature buck. And

769
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 1: then I started encountering those situations and I got better

770
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: at it. Um. And now I've killed you a number

771
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: of different mature bucks, and I still have I still have,

772
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 1: you know, certain aspects of this and then certain aspects

773
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: I've gotten better at. UM. But I think to to

774
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: what you mentioned, I can definitely relate to that foggy

775
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: autopilot mode. If if I still have a challenge now,

776
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: and I'm a lot better than I used to be,

777
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: but I am by far. I'm far from being perfect. Um.

778
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: My challenge now is that I get into that foggy

779
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: autopilot and I rush a little bit on occasion. So

780
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: what happens for me last times is my autopilot mode

781
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: is pretty good. Now I don't get nervous. I used

782
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: to get nervous, like shaky nervous, like holy smokes, this

783
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: is gonna happen. Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. Um,

784
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: Like early on, I'm like, I'm it's like business for

785
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: me now when I'm out there, when I when I

786
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: see a mature buck, I talked to myself in the head.

787
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: In my head, let's I see a shooter buck. And

788
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: I almost every single time now in my head, I say,

789
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: here we go. As soon as I I acquire the target,

790
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: I registered that's a shooter. And then and then like

791
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: my autopilot mode turns on and I say, here we go,

792
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: and I reached grabbed that boat. And it's just like

793
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: a carefully choreographed sequence of events that I've done enough

794
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: times now that I don't even have to think about it.

795
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: Just happens um, but I'm not necessarily thinking through it.

796
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: It's good that I'm not thinking about that. I'm not

797
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: getting nervous as a big box coming in. I haven't

798
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: issues like getting the shakes or overventilating or anything like

799
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: that anymore. My issue now has been that in the

800
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: final moment when I draw back, when I put a

801
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: pin on the deer, what I have done on occasion

802
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: still is that that trigger goes off without thinking. So

803
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: when that pin settles for the first time where I

804
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 1: want it to, the finger polls automatically and there it goes,

805
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, one second before I should have or a

806
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: second before I should have taken another extra second and

807
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: and really focused in. So I've had that happened a

808
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: couple of times, you know. For example, this year, opening

809
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: day of archery season here in Michigan, I had a

810
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: buck come out from underneath me without me knowing he

811
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: was there, and he was walking away, and he was

812
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: walking out of shooting range. So I was like, holy crap,

813
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: I gotta get on fast before he walks out of

814
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: shooting range. And as soon as that error, as soon

815
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: as that pin got on him, I didn't take the

816
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: extra time. I released and because of that, I was

817
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 1: just a little bit low shot underneath him. The same

818
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: thing happened. A similar thing happened, um two years before

819
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: that with Jawbreaker, Right, We've talked about that story numerous times,

820
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: where he was walking through my shooting lane, almost got

821
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: outside my shooting lane by the time I was able

822
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: to get my my bow drawn. And again he was

823
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: almost out of the lane, and as soon as I

824
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: got the pin on him, I released. But because I

825
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: didn't take that extra second to settle in and calm

826
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: down for one more second, I didn't see the fact

827
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: that there was a little bit of a limb sticking

828
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: out in the way and I hit that. So that

829
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: is where my that's my area of improvement. I still

830
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: need to be able to be in that. I think

831
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: there's there's something we said about being an autopilot mode,

832
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: you know, where you're not overthinking things that just happened,

833
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you need to be mindful

834
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: enough in the moment to take that extra second to

835
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: compose and make sure you are spot on ready. UM.

836
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: I can do that a lot of the time, but

837
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: just being completely honest, I don't get a percent right

838
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 1: every single time. Um. So, so that's that's my challenge

839
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: where I'm at. But I think people have all sorts

840
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: of different variations on that. Like you mentioned, you you've

841
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: shared where you've struggled. That's that's kind of my thing

842
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: right now. Um, but I think, you know, if I'm

843
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: thinking about all the different ways that people struggle with this,

844
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: and I'm curious if you can think of any others.

845
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: But right, I think there's some people that think too much. Right,

846
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: They overthink every single thing. So because of it, they're

847
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: they're not able to be in the moment. They're thinking, Okay,

848
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: how do I do this? When do I do this?

849
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: Is the buck ready? Is he not gonna be in range?

850
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: In my d range? You know, going through all these

851
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: things frantically in their head. Um. I think there's some

852
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: people that just haven't practiced enough and aren't prepared so

853
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: that you know, a lot of this this process should

854
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: be second nature to you, right, it should be something

855
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: that innately you can do because you've practiced so much.

856
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: Some people don't do that. So because of that, maybe

857
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: that lea neads to people thinking too much at the

858
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: moment um. I think there's just nerves, right, people get

859
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: actively nervous, like shaking, like they can't aim and accurately

860
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: shoot you because they're actually physically shaking, or they're actively

861
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: hyperventilating or breathing too heavy or things like that. I

862
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: mean that happens. People have physical reactions in that way. Um.

863
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: I think, you know, to my friends point, um, my

864
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: friends issue, you know, maybe not having that killer instinct,

865
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: not knowing when to just shoot, like they'll just actually

866
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 1: committing the final act of pulling the trigger. Sometimes people,

867
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: you know, keep waiting for a better shot, or keep

868
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: waiting for an easier shot, or keep waiting for something

869
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: else when sometimes you just need to shoot. Um. On

870
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: the other hand, some people maybe shoot when they shouldn't.

871
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: They're not waiting for the right shot. Uh. Maybe then

872
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: there's like we could talk target panic, where I think

873
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: that's a little bit of what happens to me is

874
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: as I pull the trigger on occasion before I'm completely

875
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: settled in for the shot. And I think that's kind

876
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: of a form of target panic in a way, and

877
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: some people are are I think much struggle with that

878
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: to a much greater degree than me. Um. But I

879
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: think then there's rushing, right, which which I've mentioned. I

880
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: sometimes deal with rushing the shot a little bit. I'm

881
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: sure some people probably deal with that, maybe even in

882
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: more extreme examples. Um, but there's the point of me

883
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: listening all these things, I think is that there's a

884
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: lot of there's a lot of challenges when it comes

885
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: to actually being able to pull off a shot like this, right,

886
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: I mean, am I missing any of the other different

887
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: forms of buck fever forms of this issue? You know?

888
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: I'm sure that everybody has their own battles that they

889
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: have to deal with. I can only speak from my experience,

890
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: But you mentioned about maybe pulling the trigger two early.

891
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: For me, what I've battled with is always questioning when

892
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 1: to pull the trigger, not just knowing when to pull

893
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: the trigger. So I have caught myself before tapping the trigger,

894
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: but like going what, well not yet, yeah, you know,

895
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: and and and then pulling it. So it's always second

896
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: guessing and not knowing when to actually pull the trigger.

897
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of that has to do

898
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: with experience and just shooting and shooting and shooting and

899
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: shooting and shooting, and um knowing you're you know, you

900
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: shoot so much that it goes on autopilot. I know

901
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: that this this past summer, my goal was to become

902
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 1: a better archer and shoot way more because I wanted

903
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: to make sure that if I had the encounter with

904
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: an elk I was going I could confidently at least say, hey, yeah,

905
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: this isn't gonna be an issue. But you know, you

906
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: can practice all you want, you can have, you know,

907
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: I feel that that does help in the autopilot situations

908
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 1: where you know, your form takes over and your muscle

909
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: memory takes over. But there's something about a white tail

910
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: buck that you can be as focused you can be.

911
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: It can make a calculated person an anal retentive person

912
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: lose their ship. Yeah, and that you cannot I mean,

913
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: unless you have experience with big bucks. There's a good

914
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: chance that the first time you do encounter a big

915
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: buck that you're gonna you're gonna have some form of

916
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: buck fever. Yeah. I think you make it. You make

917
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: a good point. I think, you know, if we if

918
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: we're kind of shifting out, how do we deal with this?

919
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: I think number one is practicing a lot, you know,

920
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: like you said, like you did, you know, making sure

921
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: that you practice as much as you possibly can, because

922
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: it does help, right, it definitely does help if you know,

923
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 1: if you're really confidently. A lot of it comes down

924
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: to confidence, right, If you're very confident in the fact

925
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: that you can make the shot because you've made that

926
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: shot ten thousand times over the course of the summer,

927
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: that helps. But like you said, it's a different story

928
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: when it's a when it's a real animal, you know,

929
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: whether it's a big buck, which is at a whole

930
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: another level, or if it's a dough. Even with a dough,

931
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: I think it's still a totally different thing than a target. Obviously.

932
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: Um So, I think first and four most if I'm

933
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, get better at handling the moment,

934
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: the truth, I'm practicing a ton, you know, during the summer,

935
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: during the spring, during the fall. But then also I

936
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: think there really is something to be said about gaining

937
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: experience actually hunting and killing deer. And you know, there's

938
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: some guy I think one thing that people struggle with.

939
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure what your thoughts are on this, Dan,

940
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: but I think it's a mistake for someone to start

941
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: hunting right away. Let's say a new bone hunter and

942
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: they watch TV and they listen to this podcast, they

943
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: read magazines and they hear about everybody's shooting mature bucks,

944
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: hold out for mature bucks, hold up for a big buck.

945
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: So this guy or girl who's never hunted, never killed

946
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: a deer before, goes into it thinking they have to

947
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: wait for a forty four year old, and then because

948
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: of that, they don't shoot any deer for the first year,

949
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: for two years, three years, or whatever. And then if

950
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: the first time they do see that four year old,

951
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: they've never had an experience in that situation before, and

952
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: they completely break down. I really think it's me personally.

953
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 1: I think it's a better idea to to take steps,

954
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: to take baby steps, to to hunt and kill a

955
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: deer first, you know, have lots of experience killing does

956
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: or young bucks, whatever it is, to to learn how

957
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: to handle that situation, to become comfortable in that situation,

958
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: and then you know, if you want to move from there. Um.

959
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: But I think there's there's really something to be said about,

960
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: you know, gaining experience actually shooting and killing a deer. Um,

961
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: that's that's the best way to improve on all this,

962
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: I think is just actually being in the real moment

963
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: and handling it. And so you know, sometimes that means

964
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: shooting does or whatever. Um, So for me, you know,

965
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: I like to I like to do hunt because we

966
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: eat a ton of venison. Um, So I have, you know,

967
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: thoroughly enjoyed that because I know every time I'm out

968
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: there hunting a dough and have that shot in that encounter,

969
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: I know that I'm going through a process that will

970
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: help me with all the other goals I have to

971
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: It's every time I shoot a deer, I'm practicing that

972
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: moment of truth. I'm trying to handle it better. I'm

973
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: trying to take one more step in the right direction.

974
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: So I'd incur a people if you're not already and

975
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: you struggle with this shoot some doughs, get some experience

976
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: in the field. There's nothing that can replicate you know,

977
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: a target can never replicate a real animal. So can

978
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 1: I Can I share a crazy idea? I love you too, alright,

979
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: I'd love it if you did. I don't know, I

980
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm saying. Yes, please, do you love

981
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 1: you love me? Maybe that's what I'm trying to saying. Okay,

982
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 1: So in the past, when it comes to deer hunting

983
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: season and my diet, I am uh sugar fat, you know,

984
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: basically junk food, fried food completely. You know a lot

985
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 1: of the times when I you know, I'll either stuff

986
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: my I won't eat anything in the morning, but then

987
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: in the afternoons I'll stuff my face at lunch to

988
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: the point where I'm full and maybe it's not the

989
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: best food, And then go sit in a tree stand

990
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: and you get that full feeling. I don't know if

991
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: that you ever have that? And do I ever get full? Well? No,

992
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: I mean, like, you know, like it's it's deer season,

993
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: You're you're pounding apple pies from the gas station and

994
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: mountain dews. You know, you do you remember that picture

995
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: I posted on my rut food last year and all

996
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: the criticism I got, because yeah, and I know what

997
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 1: our I know what our diet was on the way

998
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: to and from Idaho, so relate. So and you get that,

999
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: you get that kind of you're you're climbing up your

1000
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: tree stand, you're completely full, and you get those heavy heartbeats,

1001
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. You ever get that where it's

1002
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: kind of like your heart's beating through your stomach because

1003
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: you're so full, and it's and it's not you're just

1004
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: you're almost out of breath because you ate so much.

1005
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,479
Speaker 1: Then you went and walked in the woods. I guess

1006
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 1: I don't know that one. I've been out of breath before,

1007
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: but I guess not the heavy heart thing, but right,

1008
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it's like I'm gonna have a

1009
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 1: heart attack, but I hope not. But you know, you're

1010
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: I feel that diet may have a little bit to play.

1011
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: So this year, I the main reason I didn't drink

1012
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: coffee before I went into the tree stand every morning

1013
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 1: was because I was afraid that I would I would

1014
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: have to go number two. You don't want to blow out.

1015
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: You don't want to blow out, right, I don't want

1016
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: to have to get down to my stand at the

1017
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: perfect time. So I don't drink coffee. And you know,

1018
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: after or before my morning hunts. So I noticed that

1019
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: I was more like I was more not awake, but

1020
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: less I don't know what, like more focused, less jittery.

1021
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: Uh I wasn't you know, I just I felt like

1022
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: I was supposed to, like I was meant to be

1023
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: in the tree stand. I don't know, this is weird. Yeah.

1024
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: And then I also my snacks this year for deer

1025
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,919
Speaker 1: season consisted of like apples and carrots, and I did

1026
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: not eat until I was full to go in before

1027
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: I went in for my afternoon hunt, and I noticed

1028
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: a world of difference. I noticed that I wasn't you know,

1029
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: I was more with it mentally and physically when I

1030
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: had my encounters this year. And I don't know, I

1031
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: think I feel that diet plays a role in that

1032
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: moment of truth where your heartbeat starts pumping and there's

1033
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: not a ton of sugar in there and there's not

1034
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: a ton of fat, you know, slowan, I don't know

1035
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: how really how the body works. I'm not a not

1036
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: a human biologist, but I just know that I from

1037
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: my personal experience, I feel that with a better what

1038
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: you're in taking can affect how you act in that

1039
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 1: high when your body goes into that adrenaline dump and

1040
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: that high that you may not call it a stressful situation,

1041
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: but your body is putting you into a moment of

1042
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: anxiety and stress. Yeah, I think I agree with you.

1043
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right. Um and not just your diet,

1044
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: but I think in general just your overall physical health. UM,

1045
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: so also your exercise level. I mean, you know, having

1046
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 1: having a relatively fit body and physical level of physical fitness,

1047
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: I think absolutely will help you in these situations. UM.

1048
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 1: And that's something you know I've I've definitely tried to

1049
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: work on, you know, given the Western hunting and stuff

1050
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: we do, but I can certainly improve there too. UM.

1051
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: And actually one of these podcasts coming up, we are

1052
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: working on getting someone who can help us have this

1053
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: discussion about you know, the importance of physical health. You know,

1054
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: not just the guys that are out west pounded mountains

1055
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 1: and everything, but even for us white tail guys, because

1056
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,919
Speaker 1: the situation is exactly like what you just mentioned in UM,

1057
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: I think they're there definitely is something to that. You know,

1058
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: our body is a tool, and we need to have

1059
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: that body that tool fine tuned and working as best

1060
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: as possible to handle, like you said, these very stressful situations. UM.

1061
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: So that's a great point, I think. Um, I think, well, yeah,

1062
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: I think I think you're a spot on. UM. I

1063
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: want to take a step back to practicing if if

1064
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: we're talking about dealing with this situation. So I guess

1065
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: what we talked about. We've talked about, you know, having

1066
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 1: experienced in the field shooting deer. We've talked about fine

1067
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: tuning your body, trying to be healthy. UM. I want

1068
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: to take a step back to the practice element. So

1069
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: when it comes to actually practicing during the summer or

1070
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: in the off season or whatever. UM, I wanted to

1071
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: walk through a couple of different things I've learned that

1072
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: have helped me be practice better. UM and Dan, I'm

1073
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: sure you have some thoughts on this too, But here

1074
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: are a couple of things that I've found and heard

1075
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: from others that they've done have helped them become a

1076
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,919
Speaker 1: better practice er. Because I think, you know, first and foremost, yeah,

1077
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 1: shoot a lot, practice a lot, practice consistently. I think

1078
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: trying to do it, you know, not just you know,

1079
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: everyone once a month shooting, but consistently getting out there

1080
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: and practicing, you know, either every day or a couple

1081
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 1: times a week, or some type of pattern of use

1082
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: where your body, excuse me, where your body and mind

1083
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: is actively engage in the act of shooting, you know,

1084
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: on a consistent basis, so that's just part of your

1085
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: day life or whatever it might be. UM. I also think,

1086
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: you know, and everyone's different on this. Some people don't

1087
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: start shooting them just before the season. UM. I would

1088
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: encourage people. At least for me, it has been helpful

1089
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: to to be shooting for much longer than that. I

1090
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: don't shoot all year round, but pretty much once it

1091
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: gets warm outside, I'm shooting for those you know, four

1092
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: or five, six months or whatever before the deer season,

1093
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: and I do think that helps. Um, that's one thing

1094
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: I would I would mention, UM. But then you know,

1095
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: when you're actually out there shooting, don't just spend all

1096
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: your time shooting in a normal, comfortable position from the

1097
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: same distance all the time. Try different things. So I'd say,

1098
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, practice from different positions. So sometimes be sitting.

1099
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you have to take shots while you're

1100
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: sitting in a tree stand, or maybe you hunt from

1101
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: a ground line. So practice sitting, Practice kneeling, practice standing

1102
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: from a small platform. Practice from a high angle. So

1103
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: go up on your deck, or stand on type of

1104
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: your roof, if that's a safe thing to do. Or

1105
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: or put a tree up or put a tree stand

1106
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: up in a tree in your yard and shoot from that.

1107
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: Practice from different angles, in different types of you know,

1108
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: you've got a tree stand, you're standing on a narrow platform.

1109
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: That changes how you shoot. So practice in those situations. UM,

1110
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: Practice turning and shooting behind you, you know, I mean

1111
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: right now, when you're actually shooting a deer. It's never

1112
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: as simple and easy and straightforward as it is when

1113
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: there's a target right in front of you, right, I

1114
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: mean not so. I think that's an important thing to

1115
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: try to prepare for those situations. Um another way that

1116
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: I think to deal with this type of high pressure

1117
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: situation of actually shooting a live animal, I think trying

1118
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: to up the stakes in your practice in some way,

1119
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: you know, make that shooting make there has to be

1120
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: some type of ramification, some type of pressure on your

1121
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: practice sometimes. So sometimes that might be going out there

1122
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: with other people, so you know, go shoot with a

1123
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: bunch of friends. And if you don't think there's a

1124
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: little more pressure any when five guys are all watching

1125
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: you shoot, I think there will definitely be a different

1126
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: level of pressure on you. And that's going to help

1127
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: you get better on those pressure situations. Or shoot with

1128
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: a buddy in place a bet on every shot. You know,

1129
00:58:58,320 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: if I don't get this shot in the twelve ring,

1130
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: I owe you twenty bucks or I owe ten bucks

1131
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: or whatever. Just by doing something like that, again, Adds,

1132
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: I'm serious, I'd be broke away, really fat. It just

1133
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: it ups the annie. And I think anytime you can

1134
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: up the antie on a shot. It forces you to

1135
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: operate in a slightly higher stress situation. And every time

1136
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: you can do that, you're getting a little bit closer

1137
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: to that you know, in the field situation. Right, Um?

1138
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: What else? Shoot at long distances? Right? I think that

1139
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: if you are going to do lots of US deer hunters,

1140
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: most of our shots are within thirty yards. I think

1141
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: fifteen yards, twenty yards, thirty yards, those are typically a

1142
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: lot of the shots we get. But if you practice

1143
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: at fifty yards and sixty yards are further out, if

1144
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: you can get good in the yard shooting at those distances,

1145
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: those twenty yards shots in a real life deer are

1146
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot easier. Um. So what else? Do

1147
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: you have any other tips for actually practicing day when

1148
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: it comes to you know, better practice that will translate

1149
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,479
Speaker 1: to better shooting in the field. You know one thing?

1150
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: And I don't know if this actually helped me or not.

1151
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: Maybe it did, maybe it didn't, But what I would

1152
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: there there were times where I would draw back with

1153
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: arrow in hand, it picked up full, you know, ready

1154
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: to go. I would draw back, settle my pen like

1155
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: I like I was gonna shoot. But then I would

1156
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: let down and and not shoot, and then I would

1157
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: draw back again and get settled up and then shoot.

1158
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: So I don't know why I did it. Maybe it's

1159
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: because I read somewhere that that's what another person did.

1160
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: But I did that for a while. And I'll be

1161
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: honest this year, and it could be a combination of

1162
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: everything that I did this summer. I would the first

1163
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: thing I did was I shot way more this summer

1164
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: than I ever have. Second was I did sometimes and

1165
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: it would be like the very first five or six

1166
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: arrows that I shot, where I would pull back, settle in,

1167
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: let down, and then pull back again and shoot. Um.

1168
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: There there were times where I would jog to pull

1169
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: my arrows out and then jog back to where I

1170
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: was going to shoot, and then my heart rate would

1171
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: be you know, it wasn't a sprint, but um, because

1172
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: knowing me, I would trip and put a broadhead through

1173
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: my heart. But but no like that, And then what

1174
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: was the other thing that I did? Um? There were

1175
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: times where some days where I would only shoot one

1176
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: arrow and it forced me two really focus because I

1177
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to walk all the way from seventy yards

1178
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: too or you know, sixty yards to the target on

1179
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: a shitty shot, because I would be pissed, and then

1180
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: I would go back and I would focus even harder

1181
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: on trying to get to where I you know, I did.

1182
01:01:54,480 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: Oh and one last thing that I felt probably helped

1183
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: me the most of anything, And it's kind of a

1184
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: combination of two things, but one was don't overshoot, because

1185
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: I knew that if I would continue to shoot and

1186
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: shoot and shoot, I'd get frustrated and I would, you know,

1187
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: you're get so tired from shooting your because your muscle

1188
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: there is fatigue, and my accuracy would go away and

1189
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: I'd be mad, and then I would have to And

1190
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: then I always said end on a good note. So

1191
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: even if I was even if I was at you know,

1192
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: doing crappy at thirty or forty yards, I would always

1193
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: end on a good note. And that meant if I

1194
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: had to, I would walk up to twenty yards and

1195
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: I would pop a couple at twenty yards right in

1196
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: the bull's eye and then end on it. And I

1197
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: ended on a good note. Yeah, I do. I do

1198
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: something very similar to that, um And it's kind of

1199
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: like there's a I can't remember what the technical term

1200
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: is I'm not any kind of Jim jockey. UM. There's

1201
01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: some type of weightlifting methodology UM where you'll do UM,

1202
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,919
Speaker 1: you know, certain number of reps at a certain weight,

1203
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: and then you continue to go down in weight, but

1204
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: increase the number of reps you do because it's it's

1205
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: harder to do the heavy weight, so you just reduce

1206
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: the weight, but you keep doing it so you're able

1207
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: to continue practicing. You're able to continue lifting weights, but

1208
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: you're just reducing the weight. UM. But it's still a challenge.

1209
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like what I do. I do

1210
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: with something similar with my shooting. I'll start out a

1211
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: very long range and I'll be practicing and then, as

1212
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: you mentioned, muscle fatigue starts setting in so that I

1213
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: come in ten yards closer, So ten yards closer I

1214
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: can shoot. I can still shoot fine. And it's it's

1215
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: a similar challenge on so when you once you get

1216
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: down to thirty yards and then twenty yards, you've been

1217
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: shooting the longest, but even though you have that muscle fatigue,

1218
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: you can still nail out at twenty yards, So you're

1219
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: you're able to do exactly like what you said and

1220
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: done a good note. While you know working your way

1221
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: out from a challenge to now at twenty or thirty yards,

1222
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: you're you're so tired that it's somewhat of a challenge

1223
01:03:55,680 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: to so. UM. I think your idea of jogging was

1224
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: a really good one. I do something similar. I would

1225
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: do like a sprint around the barn, and then I

1226
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: come back shoot one arrow, do a sprint around the barn,

1227
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: shoot um again, to do exactly what you said, Try

1228
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: to replicate that increased heart rate. UM. I like your

1229
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: idea of drawing and then letting down, because right, that's

1230
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: a situation that a lot of us have to deal

1231
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: with in the tree. Sometimes you have to draw back

1232
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: and then you have to let down, and you have

1233
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: to draw back let down. UM. Something I do that's

1234
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: kind of similar is I will have certain lengths of

1235
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: time that I forced myself to hold the bow back

1236
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: before I shoot. So I'll draw and force myself to

1237
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: hold it for thirty seconds before I'm allowed to shoot. UM.

1238
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: Just trying to build up that that strength and being

1239
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: able to hold and keep my composure for that full

1240
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: time until I can finally shoot. Because I don't know

1241
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: about you, but I've had a couple of situations where

1242
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: I've been stuck at full draw for a crazy long

1243
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: period of time. Um, like my Ohio buck in two

1244
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: thousand and fourteen. Uh, not jabbreaker, but the doppelganger that buck.

1245
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: I was a full draw for over a minute and

1246
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: a half. It was crazy and I don't know how

1247
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: I managed to do it, because I probably couldn't do

1248
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: it today and get as good a shot as it

1249
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 1: did in that deer. But it was a long time

1250
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: and I think practicing for that probably helped a little bit.

1251
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: So that's something I would do. Um. Gosh, there was

1252
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: one of the things that you mentioned that I liked,

1253
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: um that I had. Oh you know what, practice not

1254
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 1: just in like a T shirt and shorts in the summer,

1255
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: but sometimes try practicing with your hunting gear on, um,

1256
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 1: because that will change how your shot. You know, if

1257
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: you've got a big puffy jacket on or something, that

1258
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,439
Speaker 1: might change your shot. So that's something to try to do.

1259
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: And I think my final thought on practice is don't

1260
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 1: stop practicing during hunting season. I think a lot of

1261
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: people practice in the summer or a month before, two

1262
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: months before, but once deer season starts, they start hunting,

1263
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: but then they don't shoot their bowe anymore. I think

1264
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: that's a big mistake. Um, So so I try to

1265
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: keep what I struggle with that, Like, it's easy for

1266
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: me to get lazy and not want to go outside

1267
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: and shoot once I'm super busy during the season and

1268
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: traveling and all that. So I've tried to get better

1269
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: at that by making my boat easily us well by

1270
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: hanging my door by the bow of the barn, so

1271
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: whenever I'm going by there, it's just there's the bow,

1272
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: there's an arrow. It's not like I to take it

1273
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 1: out of the case unstrapped, find the arrows, get all

1274
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: that crap. I just make everything as convenient as possible.

1275
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: So it's just at one point, I used to keep

1276
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: my boa my bow hung up next to my back

1277
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 1: door so that I would just step out the door

1278
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: and I keep a target outside the front door. Back

1279
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: door said open the back door and there's a target,

1280
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: And I had grabbed my bow off hook and I

1281
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: could shoot right there. Um just to you know, like

1282
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: you said, take one shot and have that pressure of

1283
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: making that one shot count. I think that's a smart

1284
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: thing to do. If you at least do that during

1285
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: the season, that's going to help you tremendously. I think

1286
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: I agree. So those are some practice ideas. Um, what

1287
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: about dealing with buck fever, dealing with the moment of truth? Actually,

1288
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: in the moment of the truth, is there anything that

1289
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: you've done? Is there anything you do in those moments

1290
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: now to help you clear your head or to help

1291
01:06:54,160 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: you better perform in that moment? Well, you know, if

1292
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:06,959
Speaker 1: there's a rack and it's big, then I will first

1293
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 1: I I you have to look at the rack, because

1294
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: for me, that identifies if it's a shooter or not,

1295
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: I mean part of it, if or if it's a

1296
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: deer that I know, because not necessary, you can't always

1297
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: really tell a body size, you know, mature level, if

1298
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: the deer is looking head on at you. Um. But

1299
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: one thing that I do is if I know it's

1300
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: a deer that I want to shoot, I will identify

1301
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: where it's at and then I will try to focus

1302
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: on its tail or its back legs and just be

1303
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: completely try to keep stay away from its head, you

1304
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And then or if I know

1305
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: it's coming at me, I'll I will look at my

1306
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 1: bows site. So I will I will just always be

1307
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: on that site. So when I draw back I'm not

1308
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 1: looking at the target. I'm looking at my site. So

1309
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 1: when I draw back, i'm my eyes are my eyes are?

1310
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 1: My eyes are following my site to the target, and

1311
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:17,599
Speaker 1: not me trying to focus on the target and bring

1312
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 1: my sight to it. So I am. I don't. I

1313
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: don't know why I do it, but it just it

1314
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: helps me stay away from the rack and and focus

1315
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: on the the act of shooting and not the the

1316
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 1: goal or the target. I guess, yeah, I think that's

1317
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 1: a good point. I definitely do something similar, especially if

1318
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: it's with a you know, a big buck. You know,

1319
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,799
Speaker 1: the more you look at that rack, the greater chances

1320
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 1: that might be of you getting more worked off about it,

1321
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 1: more excited about it. So so I do the same

1322
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: thing I try once I identify you as a buck,

1323
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: I know, look at the body or whatever it might be,

1324
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: to determine whether it's a shooter. Once I term it's

1325
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: a buck, I'm gonna shoot, I do the same thing

1326
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 1: as you. I don't look at the head anymore. I

1327
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 1: look at the body, the back of the body, anything

1328
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: you can do to look at that rack. But it's

1329
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 1: funny because of that, you know, this past year when

1330
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,879
Speaker 1: I shot Glenn. I did not look at his antlers.

1331
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 1: I just I looked at I saw a glimpse of them,

1332
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 1: and looked at his body, and in a split second

1333
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: I sapt shooter. And I never paid any attention to

1334
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 1: you know, his antlers and his identifying characteristics at all

1335
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 1: after that. So even though I had Glenn standing at

1336
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: twenty yards for you know, a handful of seconds, enough

1337
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: time that I had time to grab my bow, drawback

1338
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 1: and shoot him, I had no idea. I just shot

1339
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 1: a buck that I've been obsessively watching and studying for

1340
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 1: three years. Had no idea because I just refused to

1341
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: look at the head. And so in that case that

1342
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: you know worked out really well. Um So I think

1343
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: it does make a big difference if you can keep

1344
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: yourself focused on a less anxiety inducing part of the deer,

1345
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 1: that makes a difference. Another thing that might work, And

1346
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 1: I did that. I did it this year on the

1347
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: buck that I couldn't end up stopping. You know, I

1348
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: told you that encounter with that buck that was dogging

1349
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: a doe real hard, and uh, I couldn't get him

1350
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: to stop. So instead of turning your body and following

1351
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 1: the deer, you should you should go to where you

1352
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 1: think the deer is going to be shot, like, because

1353
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 1: you're not. You're not going to shoot the deer when

1354
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: you first see him at you know, seventy yards through

1355
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 1: the timber. You're going to wait till he gets into

1356
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: one of your shooting lanes and then you're gonna draw

1357
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: back and shoot him. So or you know, you draw

1358
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 1: back prior to him entering that shooting lane. So what

1359
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 1: I what I did this year was I knew that

1360
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 1: this buck was on a trail, the dough already came through.

1361
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: He was going to walk right through this shooting lane.

1362
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 1: So I got to the point where I am. I

1363
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 1: am my body is positioned for the encounter at the

1364
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: shooting lane. So I'm not I'm not having my arrow

1365
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,719
Speaker 1: point or my bow pointed at him the entire time,

1366
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 1: and I'm not turning with him. I'm motionless and I'm

1367
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,600
Speaker 1: ready for that particular shot, and I'm I'm looking in

1368
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: my shooting lane. I'm not following that buck. Yeah, yeah,

1369
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 1: I do the exact same thing. As soon as I

1370
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: see that there's a shooter, I positioned myself for the

1371
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 1: shot where I think it's going to happen. Um. So

1372
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 1: that you said, so you don't need to be moving

1373
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:27,719
Speaker 1: around when he's close. You put yourself position as quickly

1374
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: as possible, and you are silent ready waiting. Um. And

1375
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: that seems like a no brainer. But I find myself always,

1376
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: you know, there's times where if a deer comes in

1377
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: behind me or for you know, the position, I always

1378
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 1: try to have my tree stands, you know, where I

1379
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 1: would i'm sitting, I would be if I'm sitting down,

1380
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: I'm facing away from where I think the action is.

1381
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 1: So if there is an encounter, I can I feel

1382
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 1: like I can get away with a little bit more

1383
01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 1: movement because there is a tree between me and the

1384
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:05,799
Speaker 1: shooting lane, if that makes sense. So so I always

1385
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: try to position myself that way. And there's times where

1386
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 1: if a deer comes in to the side of me,

1387
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 1: I'm I catch myself not focusing on where I need

1388
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 1: to shoot him, but just following him the until he

1389
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 1: gets to that point. Yeah, yeah, I can't shoot him,

1390
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: you can. I mean, if there's branches or treason way,

1391
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: you can't shoot him anyway. It's tempting them to want

1392
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: to be facing the deer and watching it. But I

1393
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 1: think it's a it's a really good idea to just

1394
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 1: situate yourself right away and wait um and to to

1395
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: that point, something I do that has made a big

1396
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 1: difference for me is as soon as I get into

1397
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 1: a tree, I get in there, I get set up,

1398
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:46,839
Speaker 1: I get strapped and hooked into my harns and everything.

1399
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: I practice drawing back my bow in every different shooting

1400
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: lane that I might shoot a deer in so that

1401
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 1: I make sure I can get drawn back without hitting

1402
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 1: the back of my tree or without my harness trap

1403
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 1: getting tangled up, or whatever it is. I practice. So

1404
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: I've drawn me back my bow back three four different

1405
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 1: times every time I climb into that tree to just

1406
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: make sure, you know, no matter what, I know that

1407
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 1: I can get my bow drawn and I can get

1408
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 1: a shot off, you know, because sometimes there might be

1409
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: a limb that's too close and that if you didn't practice,

1410
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: you wouldn't know that I'll shoot. When I tried to

1411
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: draw my bow back, my arrow will knock that limb,

1412
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: or this trunk will my elbow will get stuck on

1413
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 1: that different things like that I've had that happened in

1414
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 1: the past. So so now I prep every time, and

1415
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: that's made a huge difference because there's been a couple

1416
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 1: of times where, you know, if I hadn't done that,

1417
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: I would have totally screwed up on a deer. But

1418
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 1: but instead I knew that I would be able to,

1419
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: you know, maneuver into this position because I'd already practiced

1420
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: it and have resulted and you know, me being able

1421
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 1: to pull off a shot that I wouldn't have before.

1422
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 1: Um Or in the other case, I've had times where

1423
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: I thought I'd be okay, and then I tried to

1424
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 1: practice it and I realized, no, this limb or whatever

1425
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 1: is gonna be in the way, and then I was

1426
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 1: able to saw it out of the way or fix

1427
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 1: something so that I didn't have that issue. So I

1428
01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 1: think that's a big one. UM. So right, we're we're

1429
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 1: talking practicing drawing back, prep preparing to maneuver your body

1430
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 1: into position. Another thing that I do, um once a

1431
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: deer comes into range or once a deer appears that

1432
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to shoot. Um we kind of talked about,

1433
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,799
Speaker 1: but I start having like a mental dialogue with myself

1434
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 1: a little bit, so, like I said, here we go.

1435
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 1: As soon as that kind of here we go, and

1436
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 1: then my automo autopilot mode sort of starts operating. Um

1437
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: but I but I do try to keep talking myself

1438
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, keeping myself in the moment

1439
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: a little bit, because I think there's a difference between

1440
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 1: going into autopilot mode versus blacking out. So for me,

1441
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 1: it's like finding that line in between. I want to

1442
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 1: be I want to be like second nature, but I

1443
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 1: also want to be present still. So for me, I've

1444
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 1: sort of developed a mantra that helps me kind of

1445
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 1: lock back in at the end. And I'm not saying

1446
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: I do this perfectly, um, but for example, two years ago,

1447
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 1: when you know the job breaker debacle happened, I hit

1448
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:58,640
Speaker 1: that dear didn't recover him, and part of that I

1449
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,600
Speaker 1: blamed on the fact that I rushed shot. So to

1450
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 1: try to improve on that, I tried to refocus myself

1451
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 1: with the mantra that would just help remind me to

1452
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 1: to become more present in that moment. And I just

1453
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 1: said you from then on, when I practiced that year before,

1454
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: every time I was getting ready to take a shot,

1455
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 1: I would just say, jawbreaker, jawbreaker, jawbreaker. And that was

1456
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:20,799
Speaker 1: like this way of reminding myself take an extra second. Focus,

1457
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: stay present, And so that's what I did every time

1458
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 1: I practiced that after that shot, you know, after the

1459
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:29,599
Speaker 1: jowbreaker thing, when I practiced, when I said my mantra,

1460
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:31,639
Speaker 1: it just kind of brought me back into the moment.

1461
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 1: And I did that, and that helped me with my shot,

1462
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 1: you know, two and a half weeks later, when I

1463
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 1: killed that Ohio buck. I've also used a mantra. You know,

1464
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:41,640
Speaker 1: just when I say montra, I just mean like some

1465
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 1: type of phrase that you can say to yourself to

1466
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 1: just remind yourself to to to get you back into it.

1467
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 1: So another one for me has been focused on form,

1468
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 1: because if I can remind myself to focus on form,

1469
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: that's going to remind me to go through my steps,

1470
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 1: to go through my shot sequence and not just blast

1471
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:58,599
Speaker 1: through an all of a sudden shoot the bow. But remember,

1472
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 1: have you right, make sure your anchor point it's good,

1473
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 1: make sure your arms would needs to be, make sure

1474
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 1: you've checked the level on your site. If I can

1475
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 1: remind myself just just for a split second to stay

1476
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: in the moment, that makes a big difference for me.

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01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 1: So having some kind of mantra um I know, it's

1478
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 1: helped me a little bit, and I've heard from a

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01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: number of other much better archers who use something similar

1480
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 1: to to just again, refocus you get you back in there,

1481
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 1: because I think again, I think the key is to

1482
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 1: make it second nature, beyond autopilot, but not blacked out,

1483
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 1: not unfocused. So I don't does that make sense? Do

1484
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 1: you do anything at all like that? Dan, I'll be

1485
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 1: honest with you. I talked to myself all the time

1486
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 1: when I'm when I'm getting ready to shoot a bow

1487
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 1: and to be not sound weird, but I do it

1488
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 1: all the time, like when I'm walking into the woods

1489
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 1: where you're just like make sure you're quiet, you know,

1490
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 1: Like I don't know why I do it. It's it's

1491
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,599
Speaker 1: almost like, yeah, I probably do too. I'm motivating myself

1492
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 1: and it might not be out loud, but I'm motivating

1493
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 1: myself to be the best hunter that I can be.

1494
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay. Or when I'm setting up

1495
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: a tree stand where it's like no no metal metal, no,

1496
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 1: no metal to metal contact. You know. It's just things

1497
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 1: like that. And my mantra when I shoot my bow

1498
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 1: is in. I used to play rugby in college, and

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01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 1: whenever there was a scrum, the ref the sir or

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01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 1: the ref would say touch, pause, engage, and that's when

1501
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 1: the two sides would come together and they throw the

1502
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: ball under in the scrum. And that's what I say

1503
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 1: when I when I shoot my bow, and it has

1504
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the actual action of there. But

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01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 1: as I draw my bow back, I say touch, and

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01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 1: I touched my kisser to the corner of my lip. Pause,

1507
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 1: and I hold my breath to settle. I take that,

1508
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 1: you know that, Engage, and then I pulled the trigger.

1509
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:56,879
Speaker 1: So it's touch, pause, engage, and it's just three steps

1510
01:17:56,920 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 1: that I use too, I guess, get on the target.

1511
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,640
Speaker 1: I like that, And I think that that ties in

1512
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 1: perfectly to another aspect of of being a a good

1513
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 1: archer and also being able to shoot well in the

1514
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 1: field is having some kind of shot sequence, you know,

1515
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:18,640
Speaker 1: knowing having a series of steps that you follow from drawing, back, anchoring,

1516
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 1: getting the target into your site picture, and releasing. Having

1517
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 1: some type of consistent sequence every single time you shoot.

1518
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: Being able to have that sequence, nail it, make it

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01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 1: second nature, and then be able to perform that in

1520
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: the actual field will allow you to stay consistent. Because

1521
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 1: the key to archery accuracy is doing the same thing

1522
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 1: exactly the same way, over and over and over. Um.

1523
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 1: I mean that's how you accurately shoot a bowl. So

1524
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 1: if you can implement some kind of sequence of actions

1525
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,600
Speaker 1: and make it second nature and then you don't have

1526
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 1: to think about it, that is going to allow you

1527
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 1: to to to shoot better when it's actually a deer

1528
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 1: as well. So having a monitor that that walks you

1529
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 1: through that, whether it be you know, touch, engauge pat

1530
01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 1: whatever you said, um, whatever it is, or focus on

1531
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:04,640
Speaker 1: form like me, um, I think that's a that's a

1532
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 1: good idea. And you mentioned breathing, taking a deep breath

1533
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: before the shot. That reminded me a really important thing

1534
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 1: for me to, especially when I was struggling earlier on

1535
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: in my hunting, to like calm down when a deer

1536
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 1: was coming in. Whenever you do start having those nerves

1537
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 1: and and sometimes I still do. Um, if you do

1538
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 1: have nerves deers walking in or you see a big

1539
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:29,440
Speaker 1: buck off the distance and you get pumped up, just slow, steady,

1540
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:33,679
Speaker 1: full breathing, you know, consistent heavy deep breathing. Deep breathing

1541
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: exercises can really actually make a physical difference with you.

1542
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,560
Speaker 1: So for me, it's take a full, deep breath in

1543
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: all the way, fill my lungs, pause for a beat,

1544
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: release the whole thing out. And so if I have

1545
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 1: a long encounter where there's a deer that like, for example,

1546
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 1: with the very first time I saw a jobreaker, this

1547
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 1: is three years ago or four years ago, whatever, the

1548
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 1: very first hunt I saw him. I watched him for

1549
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 1: like an hour and forty five minutes, hour and a

1550
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 1: half something like that. He was at the other end

1551
01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: of the field, and for an hour and a half

1552
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 1: he slowly made his way down to me. So like

1553
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 1: for the first minutes, I was cool to cucumber, and

1554
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 1: then like for whatever reason, like forty five minutes into

1555
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: it or something, all of a sudden, like the nerves

1556
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 1: got to me and all of a sudden, just started

1557
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 1: shaking like crazy, and I was like, whoa, you gotta

1558
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 1: chill out. So I just did this deep breathing exercise

1559
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 1: over and over again, and it just kind of I

1560
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 1: don't know why, but it just calms your body. You know.

1561
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 1: That's something I used to do when I get nervous before,

1562
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:24,679
Speaker 1: like a job interview or anything like that. Deep breathing

1563
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 1: helps me um. And from what I understand, I think

1564
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 1: it's just something that helps most people in general. So

1565
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 1: that's something if you do have issues with nerves or

1566
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 1: physically getting worked up, try that slow, deep breathing and that,

1567
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 1: I think is something that can just bring your body

1568
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 1: down and notch again and allows you to just be

1569
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 1: in a little more of a of a level place

1570
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 1: when you do get that shot. So that's something. Um.

1571
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 1: What else we talked about mantra shot sequence, breathing. Um,

1572
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:55,879
Speaker 1: you know, here's one. If you know that you struggle

1573
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: with this with the moment of truth, if you struggle

1574
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 1: with buck fever self, limit yourself, realize that you have

1575
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 1: a challenge here, and limit yourself to a effective distance.

1576
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 1: Don't get crazy and try to shoot long distance shots

1577
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 1: if you know that this is something you consistently struggle with,

1578
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,759
Speaker 1: because obviously a third or fourty yard shot is difficult

1579
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 1: on its own, let alone if you are hyperventilating or

1580
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 1: can't focus. So if you know this is something you're

1581
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 1: struggling with, have the um the mental realize that you

1582
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 1: need to bring it in because a fifteen yard shot

1583
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 1: or twenty yard shot is going to be a lot

1584
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:36,600
Speaker 1: easier to handle when you're all worked up than a

1585
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 1: fourty yard shot. So I would just say, be realistic

1586
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 1: about what your effective ranges and realize how buck fever

1587
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 1: can impact that. I mean, do you think that's fair, Dan,

1588
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:48,600
Speaker 1: I do. I don't, to be honest with you, I

1589
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 1: don't even if I have a forty yard shot in

1590
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 1: the timber. It's purely on accident. I all my shooting

1591
01:21:55,920 --> 01:22:00,639
Speaker 1: lanes at most go you know, maybe third little out

1592
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 1: thirty yards. I don't. I try to. I try to

1593
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:07,480
Speaker 1: do exactly what you said and limit my shooting lanes too,

1594
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: somewhere around thirty yards and in the timber. I mean,

1595
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 1: that's still a poke when you when you think about

1596
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 1: thirty yards from a tree stand, that's still a decent shot.

1597
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 1: And uh, the areas that I hunt anyway, if I

1598
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 1: wanted to cut a forty yards shooting lane, I'd be

1599
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 1: there all day long shoot cutting that one lane. Yeah,

1600
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 1: some of these spots will be pretty tough. I think.

1601
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 1: I think sometimes people can shoot great behind the house,

1602
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 1: right they say, oh, I shoot awesome at fifty yards

1603
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 1: and sixty yards and seventy yards and put it right

1604
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 1: in the ten ring every time, and they assume that

1605
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 1: will translate when you're actually out there with a deer,

1606
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 1: and so because of that, they take these crazy long

1607
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 1: shots that I think in a lot of situations you

1608
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 1: really shouldn't be given the fact that you are operating

1609
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:55,680
Speaker 1: in a totally different type of situation when there's a

1610
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 1: deer in front of you. Um, So I would encourage

1611
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 1: people to take a real hard look really how you

1612
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 1: can perform out there in the field versus behind the house,

1613
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 1: and and don't take a risk. Don't risk wounding a

1614
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 1: deer or missing a deer, or the worst thing being

1615
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 1: wounding a deer. Um, don't do that just because you

1616
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 1: think you might be able to pull off the shot,

1617
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 1: just because you do in the in the backyard all

1618
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:17,680
Speaker 1: the time. I think it's much it's the responsible thing

1619
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:19,679
Speaker 1: to do, I personally believe, and it's a much smarter

1620
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 1: thing to do as a deer hunter to to to

1621
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 1: limit yourself be a little bit more conservative when it

1622
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:29,679
Speaker 1: comes to actually shooting a deer in the field. Right. So,

1623
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, those are kind of the thoughts I

1624
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 1: had as I've been thinking through this. You know, how

1625
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 1: to deal with the moment of truth, how to prepare

1626
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 1: for it beforehand, how to deal with it in the

1627
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 1: actual moment, Um, is there anything else you had mentioned? Dan,

1628
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:44,799
Speaker 1: anything else we missed? I mean, we could get crazy

1629
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 1: here for a second and you know, have your friend

1630
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 1: throw throw fake punches at you, you know, and try

1631
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 1: to get you to flinch while you're drawing back your bow.

1632
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 1: You know. Don't don't try this at home. I guess

1633
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 1: I should have said first, or have like someone shoot

1634
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 1: roman handle that, yeah, and just get so crazy that

1635
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 1: you're you're you won't black out from uh, you know,

1636
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 1: because a deer walk in through the woods is safe

1637
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:15,600
Speaker 1: as opposed to maybe some guy trying to hit you

1638
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 1: with a hammer or trying to, you know, throw firecrackers

1639
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 1: at you. I'm not gonna recommend anything Dan just said there,

1640
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 1: but it's probably it's probably the best you have a

1641
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:28,360
Speaker 1: you have a legal team, right, Yeah, We're gonna need

1642
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: to to bring them on board for this because there's

1643
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 1: gonna be people saying, wow, my buddy shot a Roman

1644
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 1: candle into my face while shooting. Why don't you guys

1645
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: recommend that? No, in all seriousness, I know what you mean.

1646
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's like again trying to replicate the stress

1647
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: and the anxiety and the pressure of a deer. If

1648
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 1: you can replicate some type of stress or distraction or

1649
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:55,559
Speaker 1: whatever it might be, that's that's gonna help you. Or

1650
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 1: you know, shooting a bow while your wife or girlfriend

1651
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 1: takes a pregnancy test. Good luck with that. Do you

1652
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 1: have experience of that day? Okay, Well, on that note,

1653
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 1: I think I think we covered it. I will say

1654
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 1: one thing I don't and Dan, I'm speaking for you here,

1655
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 1: but you tell me if I'm wrong. But I don't

1656
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,720
Speaker 1: think Dan or I, either of us, would claim to

1657
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 1: be the end all be all expert on this. We

1658
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 1: both have work to do. We both can get better.

1659
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 1: So we've both we've both had our struggles. I think

1660
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 1: we've both improved, we're learning, we're getting better, but I

1661
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 1: think we both still have room to get there. Um,

1662
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 1: and that's probably true for most people listening. But if

1663
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 1: you have other ideas, if you have other suggestions, we'd

1664
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 1: love to hear from you. Um. If you think something

1665
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 1: we said is crazy, you can tell us that too,

1666
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 1: So feel free to hit us up on Twitter, Facebook,

1667
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 1: or leave a comment on this blog post. Because because

1668
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 1: I think we all can learn about this, um, and

1669
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 1: we all, i'm sure can relate in different ways to

1670
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 1: this challenge. So with that all being said, I think

1671
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 1: we'll wrap it up. So if you have not yet, gosh,

1672
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 1: it would be awesome if you could leave a rating

1673
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,640
Speaker 1: or review on iTunes for this podcast. That is a

1674
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 1: huge help, so thank you in advance for doing that.

1675
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 1: If you haven't yet checked out The white Tail Q

1676
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 1: and A podcast that's the other show that I produce,

1677
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 1: definitely search for that on iTunes or wherever you get

1678
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 1: your podcasts. And Dan has a great podcast to the

1679
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 1: Non Finger Chronicles, so check that out. You should have

1680
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 1: plenty of deer hunting audio content to keep you busy

1681
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 1: throughout the week if you follow those three, So thanks

1682
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 1: in advance for checking that out. And then finally, we

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Speaker 1: Tail Institute of North America. And finally, most importantly, thank

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