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Speaker 2: In today's episode, it's that next chunk and Or season
Speaker 2: two and boy, things that heat and up. We got
Speaker 2: more liberal infighting, we got questions, how dedicate it is
Speaker 2: ddre to the mission or does she just want to
Speaker 2: catch handle? I think it is the latter. And is
Speaker 2: Lutheran finally cracking under the pressure? Has he been taking
Speaker 2: too many tips? Too many tips from we don't know
Speaker 2: what they're doing?
Speaker 3: Maybe? And remember, guys, this show has no real connection.
Speaker 3: Is mirroring.
Speaker 2: So fictional at all? And that's like really important to say.
Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Okay. We open episode four with
Speaker 1: a time jump. It is now one year later bby three,
Speaker 1: three years out from the Titanic Battle of Yavin, one
Speaker 1: year out from the massacre, the Gorman massacre, and Bix
Speaker 1: is still having nightmares about her interrogation at the hands
Speaker 1: of doctor Gorst. She's dreaming about other rebels being tortured
Speaker 1: as she was. She's dreaming that she's helping doctor Gorst
Speaker 1: torture them. It's a waking dream. She's walking around the
Speaker 1: safe house with a blaster out in cassion. Luckily is
Speaker 1: there to stop her from shooting up the safe house.
Speaker 1: We go to Gorman. Cyril is now on the planet
Speaker 1: working at the Gorman branch of the Bureau, but the
Speaker 1: Bureau for Standards, but he's actually working for Deirdre as
Speaker 1: an isb spy, and I got to say, he's like,
Speaker 1: he's doing a great job at it. He's in his
Speaker 1: office and he is on the phone with Edie, his mom,
Speaker 1: and she's giving him shit from light years away.
Speaker 3: She's like, it's a demotion. It's you behind.
Speaker 1: You're getting left. You were you were by the you
Speaker 1: were around the fire here at Coruscant where everything happens.
Speaker 1: You're in the room where it happens, and now you've
Speaker 1: gone to this fucking backwater where they make linen out
Speaker 1: of spiders and spider webs and what are you even doing?
Speaker 1: And by the way, the Gores are terrible. I'm watching
Speaker 1: Imperial news all the time and the fucking Gorman's what's
Speaker 1: their problem. They're arrogant, they're morons. They they don't have
Speaker 1: any respect for the Emperor and the Empire. They're terrible.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, Cyril is no, no, no, you're watching too
Speaker 1: much imperially. They're actually it's actually very peaceful here. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very nice here. Everybody's I don't know what the
Speaker 1: what the pop up is about or why the propaganda
Speaker 1: machine is like training against them. Everybody is. I feel
Speaker 1: like he's leading somewhere dark because everybody here is really
Speaker 1: nice and kind and gorman is Is is a great
Speaker 1: place and very.
Speaker 2: No problems, no rebel forces here, no one trying to
Speaker 2: that just nice.
Speaker 1: His phone call is being as Deirdre planned, is being
Speaker 1: listened to by the Gorman Front and their intelligent cell
Speaker 1: led by uh the patriarch of the Ryelands fabric House,
Speaker 1: and they feel like this guy Cyril, who's in the
Speaker 1: Imperial bureaucracy, who probably has access to a lot of
Speaker 1: intelligence we want, seems like he is empathetic to our
Speaker 1: cause and we think that makes him vulnerable to a
Speaker 1: kind of emotional, like heartfelt approach. Yes, got to say, well,
Speaker 1: let's see where this leads.
Speaker 3: This doesn't this tells.
Speaker 2: You a lot of what you need to know about
Speaker 2: the Gorms and where that level of spy croft is at.
Speaker 2: Because I think one phone call where somebody's like, hey,
Speaker 2: they don't seem that bad to me.
Speaker 3: Let's not get too excited, guys, I.
Speaker 1: Think the they must have been clearly they've been at this,
Speaker 1: and I guess they've just like everybody's just a piece
Speaker 1: of shit, like on comms from the Imperial offices. And
Speaker 1: this is the one guy who seems like maybe he's okay,
Speaker 1: maybe he's a nice guy. They bump Cereal Cyril like
Speaker 1: out in the square, were by the monument to a
Speaker 1: previous massacre carried out by mof Tarkin who just like
Speaker 1: landed his spacecraft on people. A guy like bumps into
Speaker 1: Cyril and offers him one of the you know, souvenir
Speaker 1: spiders and is like, oh, this is you know, you
Speaker 1: should take this home and open it and there's information
Speaker 1: inside of it. We go back to the safe house.
Speaker 1: Cassian is cooking while Bix is cleaning the weapons. They're
Speaker 1: arguing about a previous mission, apparently that it happened in
Speaker 1: the year Jump where Cassian ended up murdering an Imperial soldier,
Speaker 1: and Bix is like, should we recruit it? Should we
Speaker 1: report that to Lousen, And Cassian's like, why is part
Speaker 1: of the mission? Who cast what happens? Like, this is
Speaker 1: what we do, and they kind of you can tell
Speaker 1: that the constant twenty four hour heightened state of alert,
Speaker 1: the anxiety, the danger all around them, it's really starting
Speaker 1: to they're coming apart a little bit at a time,
Speaker 1: especially Bits, who feels terrible about killing this kid in
Speaker 1: a way that Cassian doesn't. And Cassian clearly for him,
Speaker 1: the mission has changed. I think we'll see over these
Speaker 1: episodes it's less about overthrowing the Empire, bringing down the Empire,
Speaker 1: and it's more about like protecting Bicks. Cyril returns home,
Speaker 1: He opens up the spider, he finds the message, which
Speaker 1: he then eats. Bix and Cassian continue their argument about
Speaker 1: the soldier, and you know, she just and she basically
Speaker 1: says like, I just want to make sure that my sacrifice,
Speaker 1: like everything I've sacrificed, is going to be worth it.
Speaker 1: I want to win Cyril at Night returns to the
Speaker 1: Bureau office saying he forgot some files. The security is
Speaker 1: really not going to let him in, but he talks
Speaker 1: them into letting him in, and it really shows like
Speaker 1: how tight this operation is, Like even imperial security on
Speaker 1: the planet don't know that Deirdre is running this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they have to do that from this, They have
Speaker 1: to do that. So the Gorman's fall for it, so
Speaker 1: it looks legit like that he's actually spying for them,
Speaker 1: and he's very excited because he's now on the verge
Speaker 1: of infiltrating the Gora rebels. He steals some files from
Speaker 1: his office and when he talks to Deerser about it,
Speaker 1: he's like, I can't this is so cool, this is
Speaker 1: so exciting. Where are you going to tell Party Gass? Like,
Speaker 1: we're not telling part of guys until we have something. Period.
Speaker 1: Deirdre goes to an intelligence meeting at the ISB offices
Speaker 1: overseen by Party Gas. There's this issue of increasing rebel
Speaker 1: raids and stolen weapons and stolen imperial gear and captured
Speaker 1: rebels with Imperial gear, and they're trying to like trace
Speaker 1: where all this imperial gear is coming from. But the
Speaker 1: problem is, as one of Party Gaz's lieutenants brings up,
Speaker 1: is that they're resting too many people. They have too
Speaker 1: much stuff, and they can't like go through it all.
Speaker 1: They don't have time to like comb through it all
Speaker 1: in the way that they need to. So party As
Speaker 1: is like with a little flex is.
Speaker 4: Like, well, I'm meeting with the Emperor, Well talk to
Speaker 4: him about to talk to him about increasing resources, which I.
Speaker 2: Also think something that this show is doing so brilliantly
Speaker 2: is kind of showing that there's absolutely no way that
Speaker 2: the Emperor could have any handle on. The bureaucracy is
Speaker 2: too big, The bucs big, it's too sprawling, and there
Speaker 2: are too many agendas within it. And this is really
Speaker 2: a very interesting expansion of the world of Star Wars
Speaker 2: in a way that I think is very akin to
Speaker 2: what George Lucas did with the prequels and exploring the
Speaker 2: space tariffs and everything, which of course again no relation
Speaker 2: to real life. There they didn't end up being prescient
Speaker 2: at all, but.
Speaker 1: A bureaucracy being too big for one person to deal
Speaker 1: with the again and leading to the subordinates carrying out
Speaker 1: their own little ambition. Its personal like terrible plans in
Speaker 1: his name like that also has absolutely.
Speaker 3: No feels like it could never happen.
Speaker 1: Deirdre meanwhile, is upset because she's working on this Gorman
Speaker 1: false flag operation and she wants back in on the
Speaker 1: stolen weapons thing and Axis because she still wants to
Speaker 1: catch and Or she's ubsessed and she is obsessed with him.
Speaker 1: She's really pissed about this. Meanwhile, also on course, not
Speaker 1: mom Matha is going around trying to lobby her fellow
Speaker 1: politicians for some kind of legislation that's going to protect
Speaker 1: Gorman in some way, and it's tough going. Nobody wants
Speaker 1: to stick their head out. Everybody's afraid. The misinformation is working.
Speaker 3: Clear that the propaganda has taken hold in this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even the people who haven't fallen for the
Speaker 1: propaganda are like, I don't know, it's not the right time. This,
Speaker 1: the fear and the disinformation working together is a powerful
Speaker 1: force that is effectively isolating Gorman more and more every day.
Speaker 1: And mon Mathma, then you know, quotes the founding fathers
Speaker 1: of the American Revolution who once said, you know, either
Speaker 1: we hang together or we hang separately. And she says,
Speaker 1: if we do not stand together, we will be crushed.
Speaker 1: She's right. Luthen then meets with Lannie. His isb mole
Speaker 1: all these party gas meetings, and Lonnie tells him that Listen,
Speaker 1: Deirdre is on something right now. She's on some project.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but she is all
Speaker 1: over Gorman. She's the point person on whatever we're doing
Speaker 1: on Gorman. It's a very tight circle. I can't tell
Speaker 1: you what they are doing, but it's something and it's
Speaker 1: very tightly held. And Luthan is like, Luthen doesn't understand it.
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't get it. Like Deetre is not
Speaker 1: a propagandist, she's a hunter. Why is she working on Gorman?
Speaker 1: What's the endgame? What is the end Pier want? Lonnie
Speaker 1: has no idea. Lonnie can't answer these questions, and Lusen's like,
Speaker 1: well I need answers. And here's another thing to notice.
Speaker 1: Throughout these episodes, Luthan is like on a deadline. He
Speaker 1: is like, I don't have time and I don't. I
Speaker 1: wonder what that's about, because he says it multiple times
Speaker 1: throughout these this tranch of episodes, like need it now,
Speaker 1: we're on a timeline, like I don't have time to wait,
Speaker 1: like and I wonder what he thinks is coming and
Speaker 1: what he knows that nobody else knows, because it's clearly
Speaker 1: something and I don't know that it is directly related
Speaker 1: to Gorman. We go to the Gorman where the Gorman
Speaker 1: Front is having their secret meeting. Various members of the
Speaker 1: Front get up and speak to everyone, and it's clear
Speaker 1: that Gore Gorman is, you know, heavily modeled on occupied
Speaker 1: France and the Low Countries of World War two. Cyril
Speaker 1: arrives at the meeting, which is growing more and more
Speaker 1: contentious about what to do about the new trade obstacles
Speaker 1: that the Empire is putting in place, the heavy footprint
Speaker 1: that the Empire is showing on their planet. This new
Speaker 1: building that is growing in the right next to the
Speaker 1: square where the monument to the moth Tarket massacre is,
Speaker 1: what are they building in there? They won't say. The
Speaker 1: Empire says, it's just like an office building, but it's
Speaker 1: clear that it looks heavily fortified or it will be
Speaker 1: heavily fortified, and so everybody is really really anxious about it.
Speaker 1: So the pedlar from the square and Enza, who is
Speaker 1: the daughter of the patriarch of house, Ryelands come up,
Speaker 1: they speak with Cyril. There's kind of like some light
Speaker 1: joking about oh he's an imperial spy. Wow. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: later on Enza introduces Cyril to her father and he asks, well,
Speaker 1: what are you going to tell your superiors? You know,
Speaker 1: what are you going to write a report? What are
Speaker 1: you going to say? And he's like, well, I'm here
Speaker 1: on my own.
Speaker 3: I'm just Cyril.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just Cyril. I'm just here. And then he asks, well,
Speaker 1: what's your opinion of how we should proceed, because you know,
Speaker 1: we're we understand like the Emperor probably doesn't know what's
Speaker 1: going on in his name, but we're very concerned about it, Like,
Speaker 1: so how could we successfully lobby the emperor to get
Speaker 1: more information? And Cyril's like, I don't know. And Ryland's
Speaker 1: then tell Cyril, you know about the moth talk and
Speaker 1: massacre which killed hundreds of Gorman's and that this you know,
Speaker 1: building throwing a shadow on that memorial is like was
Speaker 1: supposed to be against the law and the charter, Like
Speaker 1: now they're doing it and this is a big problem,
Speaker 1: Like will you help us?
Speaker 2: So I just I just want to say this scene
Speaker 2: is so effective that as we were saying pre Mike,
Speaker 2: I came on and I was like, maybe Cyril's into this,
Speaker 2: Like Cyril is such a good spy that he had
Speaker 2: me questioning it, and Joel and Jason, well like no,
Speaker 2: but but this is a huge This is such a
Speaker 2: brilliant moment because I think what's really interesting about the
Speaker 2: Goram stuff, the Gorham stuff and this version of it.
Speaker 3: Is this is a public meeting, like they are not.
Speaker 3: It's it's there's hundreds of people there.
Speaker 2: This is the opposite of what Deirdre and Cyril are doing.
Speaker 2: This is the opposite of what Andor is doing. This
Speaker 2: is almost feels like it's like a city council meeting
Speaker 2: or something. There's so many people there, and it's the
Speaker 2: opposite of what we know of the shadowy nature of rebellion.
Speaker 2: And I think there's so much interesting complexity to this
Speaker 2: particular sequence, and also just the shock of Cyril ending
Speaker 2: up being a good spy.
Speaker 1: Because I'm a trick me.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, maybe he would be pissed off about that,
Speaker 2: and then I'm like, no, no, no, Deirdre knows. But
Speaker 2: I just think that at that point I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this Gorham stuff is really gonna play like a key
Speaker 2: part in where we're going to rogue one because it
Speaker 2: just hit in a way that's some of the other
Speaker 2: big like Monmoth My wedding scenes are fun to watch
Speaker 2: and have been good, but this was a.
Speaker 3: Scene where I was like, oh, this is changing.
Speaker 2: What we even know about how the rebel forces a bill. Again,
Speaker 2: different bureaucracies, different nations, different cultures, very very hard to
Speaker 2: wrangle and keep secret and safe, as we will see,
Speaker 2: very hard.
Speaker 1: Uncorussant Luthen turns on the little light on the top
Speaker 1: of his building that is a message that he wants
Speaker 1: to meet with Cassian. Cassian goes and basically Lutheran wants
Speaker 1: to send Cassian to Gorman to meet Rylance and to
Speaker 1: sound them out, to sound the Front out. He doesn't
Speaker 1: know a lot about the Front, but they're anxious to
Speaker 1: get things going, and they've been in contact because of
Speaker 1: a previous rescue mission that they accomplished for the Network,
Speaker 1: in which they basically saved a down rebel pilot and
Speaker 1: delivered him to safety. And it's a clean operation, meaning
Speaker 1: no kills. Just go in and see what they're about
Speaker 1: and report back, see if you can help them, and
Speaker 1: or doesn't want to leave bicks, But Luthen presses, and
Speaker 1: he says, like, imagine like Gorman, with its wealth, with
Speaker 1: its influence, with their political cloud, imagine them coming to
Speaker 1: the side of the rebellion. It's worth you going. So
Speaker 1: Cassian walks away without saying yes. But it's clear that
Speaker 1: again that Luthen needs it fast. He's again is like insisting,
Speaker 1: like I need you to go, and it's got to
Speaker 1: happen soon. We go to Dakar to catch up with
Speaker 1: our good friend who's been right about this for a
Speaker 1: long time.
Speaker 3: It's a guy, he's still right.
Speaker 1: The Apologists, the back baby Sagerera is there. His rebel
Speaker 1: cell has taken possession of a device that can be
Speaker 1: used to unlock and to decrypt the protected pipes that
Speaker 1: transfer ridonium, which is starship fuel, which is gonna be
Speaker 1: necessary if the rebellion wants to power at ships and
Speaker 1: fight the Empire. And the guy who delivered this device
Speaker 1: and has the knowledge about how to use it as
Speaker 1: this guy named Wilman, so Willman, remember is the part
Speaker 1: of the rebel cell on the big wheat planet who
Speaker 1: had the girlfriend who was part of, you know, a
Speaker 1: different farm collective and who had to they all had
Speaker 1: to flee because the Empire was doing the audit of
Speaker 1: the planet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Will was such a sweet baby then who
Speaker 2: had to say goodbye to his girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Now he's like a hardened guy.
Speaker 3: Now he's a hardened, terrorized young man.
Speaker 1: And you know, Saw, I was like, where do you
Speaker 1: get this? How'd you know how to do it? Like?
Speaker 1: Can you teach my guy? Saw threatens the guy and
Speaker 1: then saw It basically says Willman, like you're not leaving.
Speaker 1: I know that your job was just to deliver this
Speaker 1: and leaving you're not going back to work. I need
Speaker 1: you to teach my guys how to do this, how
Speaker 1: to use that thing to steal the ridonium. And until
Speaker 1: I get that, you're staying here and that's it.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about this in the in the roundtable.
Speaker 2: But rhydonium has such like a storied history in Star Wars,
Speaker 2: and this is such an exciting moment. And yeah, I
Speaker 2: also love this because again Wilman, baby young guy, thinks
Speaker 2: he's helping the rebellion by dropping this off and is
Speaker 2: suddenly sucked into Sare's vortex. And this whole kind of
Speaker 2: front line direct action movement that he did not sign
Speaker 2: up for.
Speaker 1: And then of course Cassian is going. He says goodbye
Speaker 1: to Bix, and when he leaves, Bix starts taking drugs.
Speaker 1: It's clear that Bis has fallen into this kind of
Speaker 1: pharmaceutically enhanced stupor in order to stop the terrible dream
Speaker 1: she's having, and that leads us Episode five. Let's take
Speaker 1: a quick break, We'll be right back. Episode five Corossont
Speaker 1: Luthens Shop. Claya is again on the communications console, listening
Speaker 1: to all the comms wiretaps, the bugs, the different radio
Speaker 1: signals that are coming through this Corossant network, one of
Speaker 1: which certainly appears to be a bug in Davos Scolden's gallery, Yes,
Speaker 1: because you can hear his voice on it. Cassian goes
Speaker 1: to a traveling and should see where he books travel
Speaker 1: to Gorman using what's clear what we will learn throughout
Speaker 1: the episodes is like a specific password phrase like oh
Speaker 1: do you travel a lot? Yeah, I've got friends all
Speaker 1: around the galaxy. He picks up recording that tells him
Speaker 1: what his cover is going to be. His cover is
Speaker 1: going to be very in Sky, a fashion designer from
Speaker 1: team who has a who is you know, just like
Speaker 1: loves fashion and where do you go if you're a
Speaker 1: person who wants to enter the fashion istry, you have
Speaker 1: to go to Gorman. Cyril calls mom from Gorman, telling
Speaker 1: her like, I'll be coming home. Courseants soon coming to visit.
Speaker 1: The front are listening, and this is of course another
Speaker 1: call for their benefit. But while he's on the phone,
Speaker 1: an ISB team shows up at the Gorman office. One
Speaker 1: of the in the office is a Gorman Front spy,
Speaker 1: another Gorman Front spy that Cyril is not aware of,
Speaker 1: and the spy like signals to the to the Gorman
Speaker 1: Front like cut the bug, cut the bugs so it
Speaker 1: can't be traced. The ISB announces that, hey, we're looking
Speaker 1: for bugs around here, and Cyril again plays this part
Speaker 1: wonderfully of the outrage is coming. Yeah, he's so outraged
Speaker 1: the is is B. What the fuck you guys, you
Speaker 1: jack booted thugs. I'm just trying to do my work,
Speaker 1: and yeah, with a friend fashist again for the benefit
Speaker 1: of the Gorman Front and certainly their spy. The Gorman
Speaker 1: Front spy who has eyes on Cyril, will be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it certainly seems like he doesn't know what's he's on
Speaker 1: our side. Claya continues to listen to the to the Bugs,
Speaker 1: particularly the one in Davos Golden's gallery, and and she's
Speaker 1: listening with increasing alarm because Davo apparently has recently purchased
Speaker 1: a fake piece of galactic history art and he's so
Speaker 1: he's like, I fucking irate because there's an event coming up.
Speaker 1: Lots of new senators are going to be taking the oath,
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be a big parties all around town,
Speaker 1: including at Davos. A lot of Imperial big wigs are
Speaker 1: going to be there. And here he is with like
Speaker 1: forged art in his gallery. He's like, come on, mad,
Speaker 1: but still you get it?
Speaker 2: No, No, he's also he's kind of dodgy guy, So you.
Speaker 1: Gotta be kind of dodgy guy.
Speaker 3: You don't want someone with a good eye to spot
Speaker 3: that and stop questioning you.
Speaker 2: But is It really reminds me of like in Animal Crossing,
Speaker 2: when you buy the art from your cousin who's the
Speaker 2: dodgy fox and you gotta walk out there's a forgery.
Speaker 2: That's all I was thinking about this scene. But yeah,
Speaker 2: now Cleia is fucked.
Speaker 1: So Clia is like, shit, they're gonna he's because Dallo's like,
Speaker 1: I want everything in this room in my gallery inspected
Speaker 1: and re certified as real, and Claiya is rightfully worried
Speaker 1: that the bug will be found. Meanwhile, on Gorman, Cyril
Speaker 1: announces to his Bureau of Standards coworkers that like they did,
Speaker 1: the ISB did find a listening device, but like, who
Speaker 1: knows if it's really a listening device, or if the
Speaker 1: ISB said there was a listening device so that they
Speaker 1: can actually put in a listening device, or if they
Speaker 1: put in the listening device previously, who knows? And again
Speaker 1: he acts this mac He's outraged at all of this.
Speaker 3: He's coming through.
Speaker 2: I used to think Cyril was such an annoying, boring
Speaker 2: character to watch.
Speaker 3: It just didn't grab me.
Speaker 2: He was very much like that boot Liquor, but in
Speaker 2: a very traditional way we've seen him before. This is
Speaker 2: letting him explore. He's almost becoming a kind of reflection
Speaker 2: of and Or. He's so good in the moment knowing
Speaker 2: how to lie, knowing what to say that it becomes believable.
Speaker 2: And we get to see Cassie and do that similar stuff.
Speaker 2: And yes, Cyril's evolution is really kind of really hooking
Speaker 2: me this season.
Speaker 1: So the Front is discussing Cyril and how much they
Speaker 1: want to bet on him as a potential double agent
Speaker 1: for them inside the Empire. They get a hold of
Speaker 1: his personnel file, which clearly planted by Deirdre, says that
Speaker 1: he was fired in scandal by the ISB dishonorable discharge,
Speaker 1: so maybe he has a grudge against the ISB. They're
Speaker 1: thinking this is perfect for us going so they meet
Speaker 1: him in front of the apartment, his apartment. They tell him,
Speaker 1: you know that they're concerned about him. They're concerned about
Speaker 1: his well being, Like, are you okay? We saw the
Speaker 1: ice be going to your office, You're okay? And he
Speaker 1: tells them about the listening device and they do something
Speaker 1: really smart, which is they even though they're being taken
Speaker 1: in right now, they say, this is so good show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: surely the Emperor, if he knew about this, would be outraged.
Speaker 1: He would never this is the the is beak must
Speaker 1: be out of control again, thinking that they're playing on
Speaker 1: Cyril's previous grudge against the ISB. The ISB is out
Speaker 1: of control. We think they're running like a shadow government
Speaker 1: here on Gorman right under the Emperor's nose and help
Speaker 1: us find the evidence that they're doing that so that
Speaker 1: we can take it to the Emperor and have the
Speaker 1: is b like reined in. And Cyril's like, you don't
Speaker 1: know the half of it, and Ryland's is like, well,
Speaker 1: tell us the half of it. He'p yeah, and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know those transports, like there's a lot there's just
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff on the transports coming in with
Speaker 1: the construction materials to build that building that I just
Speaker 1: don't know what's on them. And you know, some of
Speaker 1: them are unmarked. And Rylance is like, that's what we're
Speaker 1: interested in, the unmarked transports. We go back to Corroussant Bix.
Speaker 1: There's the doors doorbell is ringing at the safe house.
Speaker 1: So Bix is like has her blaster.
Speaker 2: Out and she's just high af like what she's not
Speaker 2: doing TV.
Speaker 1: She's not doing great, she's not doing great. Luthen comes
Speaker 1: in and she immediately thinks, oh, Cassie's dead, which is
Speaker 1: such a great character note again of the tension and
Speaker 1: I feel that they're living under all the time. She's like,
Speaker 1: you've come to tell me that, Andors said MM hmm.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, no, no, no, it's just a visit because
Speaker 1: I'm nostalgic about Oh this old safe house. I've been
Speaker 1: using it for so long. I remember this old place.
Speaker 1: But he's clearly taking her temperature and wants to see,
Speaker 1: like are you how good are you? Can I rely
Speaker 1: on you or not? And clearly he decides he can't
Speaker 1: because he finds the drugs. Although he doesn't confront her
Speaker 1: right away, but Bix still has her her senses, her
Speaker 1: instincts are still very sharp, and she says, no, you
Speaker 1: came here for a different reason. You came here to
Speaker 1: sound me out about a mission, but then you decided
Speaker 1: not to because you're on drugs.
Speaker 3: Bis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she knows luth And well enough that she
Speaker 2: can tell that change.
Speaker 1: Yes, it shows that she still got it. And Luthan
Speaker 1: is like, well, yeah, I had a mission about like
Speaker 1: a weapon's appraisal mission, but like, forget it now. You
Speaker 1: know why you need rest? Why don't you just rest up?
Speaker 1: And then he says, by the way, with this stuff
Speaker 1: the drugs, be careful because you know it never actually
Speaker 1: helps in the long tip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the nightmas come back and well, I love about
Speaker 2: this set of episodes, because this is not the only
Speaker 2: kind of reference or conversation we're going to get about
Speaker 2: substance abuse.
Speaker 3: I love the way that this is.
Speaker 2: Looking at like how do you survive and deal with
Speaker 2: the trauma of war? And we start to learn that
Speaker 2: something we haven't seen a lot in Star Wars, but drugs,
Speaker 2: Like it's the same here. It's that again, no real
Speaker 2: you know, life allegory here that veterans who have been
Speaker 2: through a war or who are part of a war
Speaker 2: are using substances and in this case like space substances
Speaker 2: to blow it out, to blow out the nights, to
Speaker 2: get rid of the PTSD, and.
Speaker 3: I find that very very interesting.
Speaker 1: We go back to Dakar where Willem is now teaching
Speaker 1: one of sas guys, Pluti, how to unlock the rido
Speaker 1: pipes using the device that he brought and the specific
Speaker 1: method that involves harmonics and different variations on harmonics, and
Speaker 1: it's very very complex and you have to know all
Speaker 1: these variations. Pluty fails at it, and luckily this is
Speaker 1: a training module or they would have been like an
Speaker 1: explosion to kill everybody. Saw is really riding Pluty hard,
Speaker 1: and Will meanwhile is under pressure because like until Pluty
Speaker 1: gets this, he can't leave. And you know, Pluti also
Speaker 1: clearly is like not entirely confident that he can like
Speaker 1: do this so real.
Speaker 2: He definitely hads like not a great vibe like if
Speaker 2: I was if I was Will, I would not be
Speaker 2: feeling good about the situation. PLUTEI doesn't seem that interested
Speaker 2: or really he seems like he has something else going on.
Speaker 3: And Will is basically stuck that.
Speaker 2: Doing this incredibly dangerous procedure over and over and over again,
Speaker 2: trying to teach him how to do it.
Speaker 1: On Gorman, Cyril is rushing through his work to get
Speaker 1: back to Corussant to you know, he might wants to
Speaker 1: make his flight. He pockets a disc and is always
Speaker 1: is still talking shit about the ISB, making little comments
Speaker 1: about the ISB. Then he asses the disc to the
Speaker 1: same spider peddler in the square, and his career is
Speaker 1: a double agent is like now off and running.
Speaker 2: He's and he's killing it because he's a triple agent.
Speaker 2: This is agent on top of agent on top of agent.
Speaker 2: But again, something I think it's so brilliant about the
Speaker 2: writing is he also does have beef with the ISB,
Speaker 2: Like he has, so it's I think it's easy for
Speaker 2: him to fall into this, like critiquing them, even if
Speaker 2: he's doing it to cover for his plans with Ddre.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Cassian has arrived on Gorman dressed to the nines,
Speaker 1: looking with the fashion.
Speaker 2: If everyone was wondering where that came from in the trailer,
Speaker 2: it is for this fashion design character looking beautiful?
Speaker 1: Is his cover? Is variant? Sky is holding up. He
Speaker 1: checks into his hotel and the bell hop tells him
Speaker 1: about the Moth Target massacre, what it was about. He
Speaker 1: lost his dad there, he was there when he was twelve,
Speaker 1: and you know, the hotel tells people not to talk
Speaker 1: about it with guests, but Casian, you know, this is
Speaker 1: what Cassian is about, Like, this is what he's fighting for,
Speaker 1: is people like this, And there's a real connection there.
Speaker 1: For a moment, back on Coruscant, Cyril goes to see Deirdre.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm clean, I wasn't followed. He's like so
Speaker 1: intos being mister like Junior g Man, like he loves
Speaker 1: this shit. And Deere's like, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: I've followed, I followed, had follow you followed you dummy,
Speaker 2: And he's like he's like.
Speaker 1: What He's like, He's like, yeah, because we got to know,
Speaker 1: like this is the big leagues now. And by the way,
Speaker 1: when you go to eedies, we're not sure, like be
Speaker 1: careful because it might be under surveillance. And this is
Speaker 1: all part of Gaz's orders. By the way, Enzo makes
Speaker 1: contact with Cassian aka Variant Sky at a cafe, not
Speaker 1: when they were supposed to meet. She makes contact early.
Speaker 1: They exchange the passwords, and when the cafe clears out,
Speaker 1: Cassian is pissed. He's like, this is fucking sloppy, Like
Speaker 1: why do this? Why make the approach like this early?
Speaker 1: You got luck just now that nobody is watching us
Speaker 1: and that I am who you think I am, or
Speaker 1: else you would be infiltrated.
Speaker 3: And you fucking Imperial Office.
Speaker 1: Yes, get your get your fucking shit together. And Enzi
Speaker 1: says something that I think is really important about the
Speaker 1: Gorman Front. For all the criticisms that we could lay
Speaker 1: at their feet, she says, it's hard to be patient
Speaker 1: when your world is falling apart, Like there's at a
Speaker 1: certain point and they are at that point where it's
Speaker 1: better to do something unprepared than to do nothing, and
Speaker 1: so they're ready to do something even if they aren't
Speaker 1: truly prepared, and cassiing is like listen. Also, the people
Speaker 1: you have follow me drop them because they're just drawing
Speaker 1: attention of the ISP or whoever the imperials are around here.
Speaker 1: And then he becomes very and again and he's just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I see a lair. Cyril goes to see Edie and
Speaker 1: gives her the spider from the pedlar, and she is
Speaker 1: still like, this is terrible. You're out in cowtown, out
Speaker 1: there and fucking human, Edie.
Speaker 3: I'm sick of you.
Speaker 2: I love the character, but like, it's just such a
Speaker 2: brilliantly put together character because you always even when Cyril
Speaker 2: was the worst in season one and continues to be
Speaker 2: the worst as a Nazi bootlegger in season two, his
Speaker 2: relationship with Edie tells us so much about him and
Speaker 2: is so hard to watch because she is truly just
Speaker 2: always on him in like the bleakest way, and right
Speaker 2: now he's doing exactly what she wishes. He would have
Speaker 2: been doing her whole his whole life.
Speaker 1: But she can't be so hard for tell her, right,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2: I think he probably and I wonder, I do wonder
Speaker 2: if that will become part of his eventual downfall, because
Speaker 2: I do think that she is so continuously emotionally abusive
Speaker 2: and scathing, and at some point he's gonna want to
Speaker 2: tell her like, actually, I'm fucking doing I'm doing what
Speaker 2: you wanted. And yeah, it's a very very interesting dynamic.
Speaker 1: And Or goes to his meeting at the house of Ryelance,
Speaker 1: their fabric showroom off the square, and they Rylance just
Speaker 1: starts talking in the showroom and and Or's like, wait,
Speaker 1: hold on it, We're sure that there's no listening devices here.
Speaker 1: They're like, we sweep every day, and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: won't that draw attention? You sweep every day? Is like
Speaker 1: everybody does it around here because they.
Speaker 3: Don't want that ideas to be stolen.
Speaker 1: It's the fact. So there's a lot of industrial espionage
Speaker 1: that goes around here basically, so they can talk here,
Speaker 1: and we learn about the pilot that the Ryelands group saved,
Speaker 1: and that's how they got the radio, the encrypted radio
Speaker 1: that they talked to Luthan on. Although they don't know
Speaker 1: about Luthen, they don't know who he is.
Speaker 3: They just.
Speaker 1: And as a kind of make good that hey, we
Speaker 1: can all trust each other, Cassie and gives them a
Speaker 1: new encrypted crystal for their radio so that they can
Speaker 1: continue communications but more securely, and talked to Luthen in
Speaker 1: a different way. Rylans then tells Cassian that this new
Speaker 1: building over here is an armory that's against the charter.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then he says, and here's how we know a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff about this. We have a source in
Speaker 1: the Empire in the bureau. I won't tell you who
Speaker 1: he is, but he's good. He's legit. And Cassians like,
Speaker 1: are you yeah.
Speaker 2: Please take a photograph and just show it to people, like, guys,
Speaker 2: come on, just one little photo of you, Imperial spy,
Speaker 2: and we could be solvent to love prop up with.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, one thing I'm glad about is that
Speaker 1: the Empire doesn't have facial recognition technology at all. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Cassian is like, are you like, okay? That sounds like
Speaker 1: the exact kind of intelligence you've been waiting for is
Speaker 1: almost too good to be true, because you're not, like
Speaker 1: you got to be careful because the Empire they sow
Speaker 1: disinformation like they're really good at doing that. Are you
Speaker 1: sure that this source is legit? And Rylence is like
Speaker 1: one hundred percent legit, real source. And here's what we know.
Speaker 1: These transports, specifically these ones from the information we got
Speaker 1: off the disc are bringing in weapons to stock this
Speaker 1: armory that's growing. We want to hit this transport, steal
Speaker 1: the weapons, and then put on like a press conference
Speaker 1: and show everybody, Hey, the Empire is like smuggling weapons
Speaker 1: in but we don't have the expertise to do this,
Speaker 1: which is why you're here. You know, we're just we've
Speaker 1: just been protesters to this point, and we need your head.
Speaker 1: That's why we need your help. We need your help
Speaker 1: to run this operation. Cassian says, Okay, it's clear that
Speaker 1: he's not sure about this, and he's like, well, check
Speaker 1: the radio, and then he leaves. Cyril and deird are
Speaker 1: a brief party gas about their connection to the Gorman Front.
Speaker 1: They're skeptically confident that the Front is buying Cyril as
Speaker 1: a turned imperial spy. They hope to bait the Front
Speaker 1: into ambushing these transports so that the Empire can crack
Speaker 1: the fuck down. We cracked down and look at the rebels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of encouraged false flag operation so that they can.
Speaker 1: Bad so excited oh so excited about back onto car.
Speaker 1: Plutie tell Saw that, like, okay, I need a lot
Speaker 1: more practice, but like in theory, I know what to do.
Speaker 1: Can I physically do it, I'm not sure, but like
Speaker 1: I know what to do. So saw I was like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: when you're ready, we'll just get rid of women, right,
Speaker 1: And Plutie's like no, no, no, no, Like shouldn't we have
Speaker 1: him as like back up, like in case, you know,
Speaker 1: just like as an insurance policy, you know, when we
Speaker 1: go there, if I can't do it, and you know,
Speaker 1: we check in Willman and then he gets it done.
Speaker 1: It's there's a lot of variations. It's really hard, and
Speaker 1: Saw tells Plutie is like, well, Pluti then goes, you know,
Speaker 1: it'd be a lot easier for me anxiety wise, if
Speaker 1: I knew where we were going, like it would cut
Speaker 1: down on the variations. Actually yeah, And so Saul was like,
Speaker 1: it's this factory right here, it's this Riido factory. Does
Speaker 1: that help? And Plu's like, yeah, that helps a lot.
Speaker 1: Luthen returns to the shop and Claya tells him the
Speaker 1: news about Scolden looking for the bug, not looking for
Speaker 1: the bug, but like finding out that he has a
Speaker 1: fake and searching his entire gallery, which he's going to
Speaker 1: do after the Senate gala. And we need to get
Speaker 1: in there. We're invited to this party. We need to
Speaker 1: get in there. We need to get that bug out
Speaker 1: or it's going to be found. And Luthen, here's our
Speaker 1: first hint that Luthen is coming apart a little bit.
Speaker 1: The strain is getting to him because he starts raging
Speaker 1: about this bug. This was a bad idea. Why did
Speaker 1: we do I told you not to do this? Bug?
Speaker 1: Leads directly back to us. This was so stupid. She's like,
Speaker 1: you agreed to it, and he's like, yeah, but you
Speaker 1: talked me into it and against my better judgment. And
Speaker 1: what you know, what, what do we do now? Like
Speaker 1: we have to if we can't get it, we have
Speaker 1: to be prepared to what kill skulden Fleet, correscond all,
Speaker 1: all of those things. Who knows Cassie and then looks
Speaker 1: at the ground on Gorman looks at the transports. He
Speaker 1: comes up with a little bit of a plan. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: back onto car, Saw asks Wilman, now if Pluty is
Speaker 1: ready to access the pipes without his help, and Saw
Speaker 1: pulls out his blaster, points it at Willman and is like,
Speaker 1: what do you say? Like can he do it? Did
Speaker 1: you teach him well enough? And then when you think
Speaker 1: he's gonna kill Willman, he turns the blaster on Pluty
Speaker 1: fucking boom kills him. All the rebels turn, they're like
Speaker 1: what and saws like.
Speaker 2: He was a trader at this.
Speaker 1: He goes inside, pulls an imperial bug out of it.
Speaker 1: Please a little tunic. Yeah, And he says, but well,
Speaker 1: the empire thinks we're going We're not going there.
Speaker 4: We're going to this other place.
Speaker 1: So is all misdirection for the for the benefit of
Speaker 1: the empire. And so I was like, and we're pulling
Speaker 1: out right now, get all your stuff, we're leaving. We're
Speaker 1: not going back here. Cassian breaks the news to the
Speaker 1: Gorman front that he doesn't think this is doable, or
Speaker 1: it's doable, but like at what cost? Like he's basically saying,
Speaker 1: here's your problem. We can hit the transport, but you don't.
Speaker 1: But usually when you do something like that, the next
Speaker 1: move is to get away. You're not going to you
Speaker 1: don't even want to get away. You want to you
Speaker 1: want to stay, you want to be here. Yes, celebrate it,
Speaker 1: have a press conference, and then what the Empire just
Speaker 1: kills you all, Like they've already just doesn't.
Speaker 2: They literally killed like five hundred gorms just to land
Speaker 2: them off Talkin's plane. Like you think they're not going
Speaker 2: to kill you if you try?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like what do you think? And then Rylance is like, okay,
Speaker 1: so what we do nothing? Like we just let the
Speaker 1: Empire do whatever they want. And you know, Cassian is like,
Speaker 1: I got to think about this a little more. But
Speaker 1: Rylance is like, you know what, I'm not impressed with you,
Speaker 1: like at all as a as a military leader and
Speaker 1: as a supposed rebel with yeah, with revolutionary fervor not
Speaker 1: in the least.
Speaker 2: He's like, Wow, some kind of revolutionary you are. And
Speaker 2: I was like, oh man, that's so painful because I did.
Speaker 2: Cassian's actually trying to save their lives.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Saw and Willman arrive on the Ryde Oh planet,
Speaker 1: the ride Oh Mine planet where there's a pipeline, you know,
Speaker 1: in this kind of isolated stretch of rocky landscape, and
Speaker 1: while Wilman is like running through the variation with them
Speaker 1: like a massive with a full mask on, Saw like
Speaker 1: no mask, breathing in the atmosphere is just like monologuing
Speaker 1: about his experience with ride Oh, how he was basically
Speaker 1: an enslaved prisoner mining ride Oh, and that was his
Speaker 1: first experience suit and.
Speaker 2: He would start gang high, and he gained basically like
Speaker 2: a a tolerance for and an addiction clearly yeah.
Speaker 1: And an addiction to it, which is clearly the stuff
Speaker 1: that's in when we later meet up with Sagerera and
Speaker 1: Rogue One in his like little breather, right, Willman, It's
Speaker 1: funny because I wanted Wiman to be like, hey, can
Speaker 1: you shut the fuck up. I'm trying to like do
Speaker 1: this thing without killing us, But instead you're talking about
Speaker 1: crazy shit. He gets talked into it.
Speaker 3: He gets up into sores revolutionary folk.
Speaker 1: Well, saw is Saws is incredibly charismatic as a revolutionary,
Speaker 1: as a person who's willing to say this is wrong,
Speaker 1: and I'm the guy to and I'm going to do
Speaker 1: something about it.
Speaker 2: Come join me, Vandor, even though Andor is trying to
Speaker 2: save their lives.
Speaker 3: Saw in this moment shows how.
Speaker 2: You get somebody riled up, how you make somebody join
Speaker 2: a revolution.
Speaker 1: He says, as he's breathing in this rhydo he says Listen,
Speaker 1: revolution is not for the scene what we were doing.
Speaker 1: If you were a logical, rational person, you wouldn't take
Speaker 1: on the Empire. You would just let you would just
Speaker 1: lay down and let them get away with it. The
Speaker 1: fact that we are bothered by this and willing to
Speaker 1: do something about it means we're already insane. So why
Speaker 1: not dive all the way off? Willman then takes off
Speaker 1: his mask, starts breathing in the fumes, and they are
Speaker 1: off to the races. Yeah, let's seek a quick break.
Speaker 1: We'll be back in a minute to talk about episode six.
Speaker 1: And we're back. Luthen and Cassian meet on a kind
Speaker 1: of far out of the way planet Portsteergard also on
Speaker 1: the rim a trade route that is involves Gorman, and
Speaker 1: Cassian is like, Luthen, they can't do it. The Gorman
Speaker 1: Front there, they're they're not ready. You should never have
Speaker 1: got involve them. They're amateurs. They're going to get fucking killed.
Speaker 1: And Lusen's like, yeah, I heard that it didn't go well,
Speaker 1: so this is concerning. But listen, I agree the front
Speaker 1: isn't ready. The Gorman Front would agree that they're not ready.
Speaker 1: That's why I sent you to help them because they're
Speaker 1: not ready. Well, casting is like, listen, it's too late.
Speaker 1: The armory is being built. It's like seventy percent done. Everybody.
Speaker 1: Their whole thing is steal a transport with weapons to
Speaker 1: prove to everyone that the armory is being built. Everybody
Speaker 1: understands that it's a lie, that that's just an office building.
Speaker 1: Everybody understands that that's an armory. So what they're going
Speaker 1: to do is get killed in order to prove to
Speaker 1: everybody a thing that everybody already knows is true. Why
Speaker 1: do that. It's they're going to get crushed, they're going
Speaker 1: to die, And Luthen says, well, they're finally wanting to
Speaker 1: do something, and you want them to be k And
Speaker 1: I think this is like such a crucial point and
Speaker 1: is kind of like why this entire series exists. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is dangerous. You think that we can get you
Speaker 1: think we can get Gorman on our side. And nobody
Speaker 1: gets their nose bloody at all, Nobody gets their hair
Speaker 1: messed up, nobody gets their shirt stained. Like, yes, they're
Speaker 1: gonna get killed. It's gonna be bad. But if that
Speaker 1: is the cost to bring Gorman into the rebellion and
Speaker 1: the people who see themselves in Gorman to our side,
Speaker 1: then it's worth it. And then incredible Line and Or
Speaker 1: is like, well what if? And if they burn, Luthen
Speaker 1: says they'll burn very brightly. And it's also very clear
Speaker 1: that Cassie this is also an issue of frontline soldier
Speaker 1: versus like the back line, because Cassie has lost his
Speaker 1: appetite for just people senselessly dying. He doesn't want to
Speaker 1: see it anymore. And I think he goes to Gorman
Speaker 1: and he sees all these young people with this fervor
Speaker 1: to do something, and he just sees dead bodies and
Speaker 1: he's just doesn't want to get involved in that. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Luthan has a backup plan. He updates Clay Cassian is out,
Speaker 1: but it's okay. They have another operative in play, and
Speaker 1: it's Vell. Vella is already there and Vell is already
Speaker 1: delivering weapons and gear to the front. Cassian returns to
Speaker 1: the safe house, bis welcomes him. She cleaned up the
Speaker 1: place doesn't look like it looked when Luvin was.
Speaker 2: There, and he definitely shamed her into doing a little
Speaker 2: tidy up, which you know I've been that adhd If
Speaker 2: my friends are coming around, I'm planning in the house.
Speaker 3: Other way I get it.
Speaker 1: He updates her on the Gorman mission a little bit,
Speaker 1: and he can kind of tell something is wrong with Bicks,
Speaker 1: although he's if he knows that she's using, he's in
Speaker 1: denial of it clearly, you know, cass. Cassian gets mad
Speaker 1: because he finds out that Luthen came and visited, but
Speaker 1: they were just together and Luthen didn't mention this at all.
Speaker 1: Cassian begins to get paran begins to get paranoid, now
Speaker 1: because why would lu Luthen. He's so calculated and everything
Speaker 1: he does, and he must know that I would find
Speaker 1: we would talk and you would tell me that he came,
Speaker 1: So why didn't he tell me what is going on?
Speaker 1: I think personally, what Luthen is doing is Luthen is saying,
Speaker 1: open your eyes and really look at Bisa and see
Speaker 1: what's going on there. Find that you know he wants
Speaker 1: he wants Cassian to figure out that Bix is on Spice.
Speaker 2: So I think that it's one of those things where
Speaker 2: it's a great example of Luthan always knowing the people
Speaker 2: that he works with, because before this, Bix and Andal
Speaker 2: on like a sexy train to heroic town. Like the
Speaker 2: Azabou said in the group chat, like the sexual tension
Speaker 2: is crackling.
Speaker 3: They are like kissing.
Speaker 2: He's telling her all about how Varian Sky is like
Speaker 2: a pretty boy and she would have loved him and
Speaker 2: blah blah, blah blah, and then it just evolves into
Speaker 2: this kind of seed of distrust that Lutheran has planted
Speaker 2: and between them to try and kind of get Cassian
Speaker 2: out of that headspace that he clearly has been influenced
Speaker 2: by Bixon, which is Bix is destroyed by the war.
Speaker 2: Bix is destroyed by the people she's had to kill,
Speaker 2: and now Cassian doesn't want to kill any more people.
Speaker 2: He wants to, you know, try a different way. And
Speaker 2: I think Luthan wants to be like, why do you
Speaker 2: care what this person thinks they're on drugs basically, which
Speaker 2: is a fucked up attitude, but also like I think
Speaker 2: you're right, Jason, I think that's what that's what he wants.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Cassian then, in a rage, in a very dangerous decision,
Speaker 1: goes to Luthan's shop in the middle of the night,
Speaker 1: crazy and Luthen is like, what the fuck are you doing.
Speaker 1: He's like, as soon as you leave, which is immediately
Speaker 1: you're we're gonna pretend that you were delivering to me
Speaker 1: a thing that I forgot, some kind of yeah yeah
Speaker 1: metal and get them and get a hold of yourself
Speaker 1: and leave. And she and he's like, yeah, but like,
Speaker 1: when you you know what's going on, why did you
Speaker 1: come to the house. Why did you check on Bicks?
Speaker 1: He's like, look at yourself. All you what you've become
Speaker 1: is someone who just cares about Bicks. I'm here for
Speaker 1: the cause. I'm here for the rebellion. I'm here to
Speaker 1: overthrow the empire. If and by the way, if Bicks
Speaker 1: can't get it together, it's on you to figure out
Speaker 1: what to do about that, because this network and what
Speaker 1: we're doing is too important to come apart because of
Speaker 1: feelings we have for each other or one He goes unsaid,
Speaker 1: but he basically said, hey, Biggs has got to tighten
Speaker 1: it up or we may have to.
Speaker 3: Kill that basically what he's saying, and I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I also thought it was great because because Cassian says
Speaker 2: to him, why why did you come?
Speaker 3: Like why did you do this? Why did you tell it?
Speaker 3: You must have known?
Speaker 2: She was going to tell me, And I think this
Speaker 2: is really interesting because I think it plays plays to
Speaker 2: your point and also just a great line that tells
Speaker 2: us a lot about luth and Is. He says, well,
Speaker 2: I thought it would be interesting if she didn't tell you,
Speaker 2: but now you've both disappointed me, and he's like testing
Speaker 2: these kind of bond who can keep master and spy
Speaker 2: be stronger than a bond between two people in love?
Speaker 3: And in this case, no.
Speaker 1: Who understands what we're doing is basically what Luthan is saying.
Speaker 1: We go to ISBHQ on on Corroussant. Partigas is asking
Speaker 1: Lonnie to liaison with the Navy and military intelligence because
Speaker 1: doctor Gorse, the torturer who applied his terrible trade on bicks,
Speaker 1: is suddenly in a star ascendant in the Imperial Defense infrastructure,
Speaker 1: and everybody wants to know how he does what he
Speaker 1: does and they want him to teach his techniques to
Speaker 1: their various torturers. So Party Gaz is like, Lonnie, I
Speaker 1: want you to run that because I don't want ISP
Speaker 1: to lose control of doctor gorst Our little star. That well,
Speaker 1: guess what.
Speaker 3: Lonnie, that's the lesson of talent.
Speaker 2: Lonnie I support you, Ghostnitch, because there's a some fucked
Speaker 2: up shit.
Speaker 1: Sinta arrives on Gorman and she and Vell haven't seen
Speaker 1: each other in a long time, and there's like a
Speaker 1: lot of emotion and and a lot of things left
Speaker 1: unsaid but that are right there at the surface, and
Speaker 1: you know, she's brought more gear for the Gorman Front
Speaker 1: and they talk about the operation. They say, well, like listen,
Speaker 1: if we don't like the way it looks, we walk away. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We find out that Vell specifically requested Cinta from Luthen
Speaker 1: because it's been so long since she's seen her. And
Speaker 1: then Sinta tells Bell that in the time since I've
Speaker 1: saw you, I was wounded and I was out of
Speaker 1: action for quite a while, and I was thinking about
Speaker 1: you the whole time. And it's this really rich, heartbreaking,
Speaker 1: bittersweet reunion between the two party. Gaz meets with Deirdre
Speaker 1: on Courus, ount isb on Gorman, believed that the attack
Speaker 1: is imminent, that they see signs that the Gorman Front
Speaker 1: is gearing up, and they're very excited. Deirdre is very excited.
Speaker 1: Partigas warns Deirdre that I get there's another level to this,
Speaker 1: like Cyril doesn't understand what the response, like why they're
Speaker 1: doing this. All he knows is his little part in it.
Speaker 1: And he warns Deirdre like Cyril cannot know the rest
Speaker 1: of it, so just keep him on task, which is
Speaker 1: not gonna be hard because Cyril is so excited by
Speaker 1: what he's doing. Yeah, he's like.
Speaker 3: So hyped up on being a little spy.
Speaker 1: So Vellin sent to run the Front through the plan,
Speaker 1: and it's a great scene that basically tells you, like
Speaker 1: what you already know, the Front isn't quite ready. They're
Speaker 1: not ready.
Speaker 3: They've been to like one stredent protest, like they're giving
Speaker 3: that energy.
Speaker 1: And they're talking back like well shouldn't we be armed
Speaker 1: to like well, what if this happens and what if
Speaker 1: I want to do this? And Vella is like.
Speaker 3: Stop, can you follow?
Speaker 1: Can you follow orders? This plan means nothing if the
Speaker 1: people involved in the plan don't play their role to
Speaker 1: the letter. And that means no improvising, that means no
Speaker 1: going off on your own doing just crazy shit. That's
Speaker 1: why we are here. If you don't like it, we
Speaker 1: can leave, but you need to be able to follow orders.
Speaker 1: And it's clear that the front is. They're very again,
Speaker 1: they're very young, a lot of the people and they're
Speaker 1: bristling at this being told what to do follow orders
Speaker 1: like this is I didn't join the military. They don't.
Speaker 1: They don't understand what they're in for. Meanwhile, on Courissant,
Speaker 1: Lousen's signal is flashing again and Bix sees it and
Speaker 1: tells Cassian, and something is cooking there. Meanwhile, these wonderful
Speaker 1: quick cuts begin happening right where Sinta and Velle have
Speaker 1: their They get to spend the night with each other
Speaker 1: in their safe house. Cinta apologizes to vell for hurting her.
Speaker 1: It's this wonderful scene that is like drawn out in
Speaker 1: just the right way. Meanwhile, in the Senate house, man
Speaker 1: Mathma is like becoming more and more sickened and by everything.
Speaker 1: She's seeing this like growing autocracy that's happening right in
Speaker 1: front of her, and everybody seems fine with it, and
Speaker 1: she's finding it harder and harder to keep her composure.
Speaker 1: And after this swearing in of all these new senators,
Speaker 1: now the parties happen, and Luthen and Clea and man
Speaker 1: Mathma and Paren are all heading to Davos Skulden's gallery
Speaker 1: for this big, you know, huge party that's going to
Speaker 1: feed all these like new senators and also there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of imperials there. Meanwhile, while this is
Speaker 1: going on, the hijacking on Gorman Is is happening. So
Speaker 1: at the party, Claya and Luthen are working the room.
Speaker 1: Lannie and some is b are there. Luthen and mon
Speaker 1: Mathma Steele a moment together and she's like, listen, I
Speaker 1: want you to check on Vell. What's going on with Vell?
Speaker 1: Get me an update on Vell and Luthen. It just
Speaker 1: shows you again. It's like a wonderful small moment about
Speaker 1: like why you're worried about Vell, Like you're worried about
Speaker 1: like operational securities. No Vell's in my my, like my relation,
Speaker 1: Like yes, I want to know if she's okay. I
Speaker 1: just want to know if she's okay. There's nothing to
Speaker 1: do with a mission. Yeah. Meanwhile, Claia improvising approaches Lannie
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, remember we met, and like he'said,
Speaker 1: why the fuck are you talking to me right now?
Speaker 1: And he's like She's like they'll think we're flirting. Just
Speaker 1: go with it. They go to Skulden's private gallery where
Speaker 1: Mathma and Paren, Luthen and Scolden are all there, along
Speaker 1: with shockingly, Don Dundun. Krenick is there and various members
Speaker 1: of the Imperial Elite, and they're all laughing and drinking
Speaker 1: and having a grand old time like as Golden shows
Speaker 1: them various art pieces from around the galaxy. Claia uses
Speaker 1: Lannie as a meat shield. Unbelievable. It's an incredible moment
Speaker 1: to be like, stand right here so they can't see
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. I will pretend I'm telling you about
Speaker 1: this piece of art. Meanwhile, I'm underneath with my hand
Speaker 1: like unscrewing the bug, and I'm unscrewing it's so lodged
Speaker 1: in that like I'm cutting. My hand is bleeding as
Speaker 1: I'm trying to pull this thing out.
Speaker 3: Claia, I don't think luth At she gives he enough credit.
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest, like, I think she is doing
Speaker 2: the fucking thing that needs to be done.
Speaker 3: She's she's ready to do it, and she does. They
Speaker 3: both are so good.
Speaker 1: So meanwhile Velen Sinta hit the transport. The front swings
Speaker 1: into action, Cyril watching from a nearby rooftop is relaying
Speaker 1: all of this to the ISB party gas in Deirdre,
Speaker 1: and the plan goes awry. All across the galaxy, plans
Speaker 1: are going around play you can't get the bug out again.
Speaker 1: She blood is dripping down her arm and she's trying
Speaker 1: to pull it out. Krenick and the Imperial group as
Speaker 1: they are going around the room looking at all the
Speaker 1: different pieces of art are growing closer and closer. Lannie
Speaker 1: is like on the edge of flipping out all the time. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: back on Gorman, one of the young guns who was
Speaker 1: arguing about control and following orders and this and that,
Speaker 1: pulls out a blaster because some other member of the
Speaker 1: front but who's not involved in the mission sees what's
Speaker 1: going on and starts coming up, and so he pulls
Speaker 1: out this blaster try and ward them off. They wrestle
Speaker 1: over it, shot goes off and Sinta is killed. Everything
Speaker 1: is falling apart. Meanwhile, Partigas is telling Cyril call the
Speaker 1: Imperial response team on Gorman, tell them to come now.
Speaker 1: The front manages to escape and all the way out,
Speaker 1: Bell is like laying into them like I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: have to tell you to remember this, because you will
Speaker 1: remember it. You will never forget you fucked up and
Speaker 1: you got somebody killed. This is what it's about. You
Speaker 1: will now have this hanging over you for the rest
Speaker 1: of your life. Meanwhile, the mission that Luthan sent Bix
Speaker 1: and Cassian on was a mission of vengeance. They find
Speaker 1: doctor Gorst Bicks, sneaks into his office, uses his torture
Speaker 1: machine on him, and just leaves him hooked up to it.
Speaker 1: Who knows how long for the weekend until people come back.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe she shoots a guard on the way out,
Speaker 1: and then her and casting her in the wind.
Speaker 3: And then Lutan was like, this is how I sawt
Speaker 3: these two out.
Speaker 2: Just fucking get bigs over it, get the revenge, Go
Speaker 2: have some good revenge sex, and then maybe you'll fucking
Speaker 2: get back on track.
Speaker 1: I also love the moment here as Claya and Luthen
Speaker 1: are leaving Scolden's. They've got the you know, they've got
Speaker 1: the bug in their pocket, and it's that post mission
Speaker 1: elation where they had come so close to blowing it
Speaker 1: and getting caught and now they've gotten away with it
Speaker 1: and they're joking about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, can you
Speaker 1: imagine we should have been like why didn't we just
Speaker 1: go in there and fucking with a bomb and just
Speaker 1: kill credit. They're laughing, and then we're on to episode seven. Man,
Speaker 1: this show is so good.
Speaker 3: It's so good.
Speaker 2: I think you know that there's been questions about whether
Speaker 2: the investment of you know, six hundred and twenty nine million.
Speaker 3: Dollars in these two seasons was well with it.
Speaker 2: And obviously there's lots of stuff, the things the money
Speaker 2: could have been spent on, but it is on every
Speaker 2: single moment of the screen.
Speaker 3: It is in the detail of the practical effects.
Speaker 2: I think a lot I've been rewatching at the scene
Speaker 2: with Will and Sore, just app like the detail of
Speaker 2: the pipe pullar and the way that it works, the
Speaker 2: level of detail in the clothing, you know, the fact
Speaker 2: that when Lutheran is on his little rebel check ins,
Speaker 2: he wears this kind of proto like nod to Jedi robes,
Speaker 2: you know, even though it's not and he's not a Jedi.
Speaker 2: There's just there's so much fantastic costuming and work in
Speaker 2: the show. And Yeah, I'm so excited slash dreading where
Speaker 2: it goes next, because this has already taken it out
Speaker 2: of me emotionally, Like the death of Ciner after they've
Speaker 2: just been reunited. I wonder what that does to Veil
Speaker 2: and how it changes how she approaches the rest of
Speaker 2: her missions. And I also wonder what it does to
Speaker 2: the front like do they exist after this as some
Speaker 2: of them hardened? Does some of them run away like
Speaker 2: what happens in Gorham. I mean, we've only got you know,
Speaker 2: We're halfway through the season, and I think this is
Speaker 2: a show where, even though the first three episodes were
Speaker 2: pretty slow burn, I feel like so far everything is
Speaker 2: paid off and everything has felt worthwhile and important, and
Speaker 2: now I want to see if they can land it
Speaker 2: with the other half of the episodes, and I believe
Speaker 2: they can.
Speaker 3: The tone Zone, I think he can do it.
Speaker 1: Oh man, We're just in it, I will say. I
Speaker 1: think that I think that Luthen's chess move with regards
Speaker 1: to Gorman is going to pay Listen, this is a
Speaker 1: Star Wars prequel. We know where this goes, right, The
Speaker 1: rebellion metastasizes, many worlds come to the side of the
Speaker 1: rebel banner and eventually they take down the Empire. And
Speaker 1: I think Luthen's chess move with regards to Gorman, which
Speaker 1: is it's not about this mission. It's not about proving
Speaker 1: the armory is real. Everybody knows that. It's about showing
Speaker 1: what the Empire is willing to do to a planet
Speaker 1: like Gorman that just they the fuck did they do?
Speaker 1: They make cloth, they make like this is a threat,
Speaker 1: and that is that chess move I think will pay
Speaker 1: huge dividends at the cost of many thousands of gores.
Speaker 1: It will show the galaxy what the Empire is willing
Speaker 1: to do, and it will, uh, you know, be one
Speaker 1: of the sparks that really allows the rebellious bonfire to
Speaker 1: take light. And I think that's what we're going to
Speaker 1: see is a horrible massacre at some point on Gorman,
Speaker 1: but a rejuvenated and heavily energized rebellion. And I think
Speaker 1: one of the things that's been so fascinating to me
Speaker 1: to watch the show is like that balance between the cold,
Speaker 1: calculating figures like Luthan and like Claia, who are you know,
Speaker 1: as much as their commanders like you know, Vell and Cassian,
Speaker 1: are trying to impose order on these like amateur rebels
Speaker 1: who don't really who have all the passion and none
Speaker 1: of the skills at the highest levels. They're you know,
Speaker 1: Luthen and Claire are also making it up as they go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're like they are we just you know, like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll pull in Lannie and he stands here and I'm just.
Speaker 3: Gonna be digging this out with blood on my hand
Speaker 3: while fucking Krenick.
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: Come on?
Speaker 1: And it's this incredible contrast between you know, Luthen really
Speaker 1: even though we get we see him coming apart the
Speaker 1: anxiety getting at him with the spat that he has
Speaker 1: with Clia, but there is this incredible balance that he's
Speaker 1: striking as one of the people who kind of sees
Speaker 1: the whole board of we need the past, of these
Speaker 1: amateur rebels who don't know how to do it but
Speaker 1: want to do something. We need them, and part of
Speaker 1: what we need from them is we need them to
Speaker 1: get killed, you know, like we need that in order
Speaker 1: to mean we need martyrs to win this and balancing
Speaker 1: that between the reality of it and the people who
Speaker 1: have to deal with the reality of it like Sell
Speaker 1: and Vel and Synta and Cassian and Cassian. I think
Speaker 1: it wasn't a really cool character moment for casting to
Speaker 1: be like to basically say, like I don't want to
Speaker 1: be involved in thisss. We're going towards a senseless massacre,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to be part of this. It's
Speaker 1: an incredible show. I can't wait to see where it goes.
Speaker 1: And again, you know, we've mentioned some of the films
Speaker 1: that we feel like influence this show, and I feel
Speaker 1: more than ever since we went to Gore to Gorman,
Speaker 1: that Army of Shadows, a movie about the French resistance,
Speaker 1: and some other ones, you know, Rules of the Game
Speaker 1: and The Grand Illusion other ones.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, I was. I was looking into it.
Speaker 2: Tony is a big French historical guy, a big French
Speaker 2: cinema guy. So yeah, we're gonna We're gonna dig in
Speaker 2: and give you some great Rex because there are some
Speaker 2: unbelievable movies that clearly huge influences on both seasons of Mandal.
Speaker 1: Incredible, incredible show. Well tomorrow and extra Vision, we are
Speaker 1: asking who are the Thunderbolts. And then our Friday, we've
Speaker 1: got our roundtable in which we're gonna cover the second
Speaker 1: batch of episodes Mandor with our Star Wars fanatical production crew,
Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about all the things we're
Speaker 1: thinking about and watching the show and then join us
Speaker 1: for news on Saturday with a special focus on May
Speaker 1: the fourth. And that's it for this episode. Thanks for listening.
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