1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Time now for Fantasy Football Weekly from iHeartRadio, your weekly 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: source for the nation's best fantasy speculation and advice. 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. It is the off season edition 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 2: of the Fantasy Football Weekly podcast with your host John mcgaze, 5 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 2: Big Johnny stud with your boy, mister Jake Trowbridge. Jake, 6 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: I am so sorry. I'm gonna do it on the air, Butcher. 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: I'm used to having my name Butcher. I think I 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: called you town Bridge and trown Bridge and toll Bridge. 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: That you joke. I called you toll Bridge and the 10 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: troll Bridge. 11 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: Well, mister Trowbridge, how are you, my friend, John, I've 12 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: heard it all true. Yeah, I am a telemarketer's nightmare. 13 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: When they see this last name come in, they never 14 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: know what to expect. I'm doing great, though, John. 15 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 3: I am in the. 16 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: Thick of the off season to the point that I 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: just feel like I have my bearings, which is a 18 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: very dangerous spot to be when you think you know 19 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen with the NFL. Because John, I thought 20 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: I knew what was gonna happen basically for the next month, 21 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: and then a couple of days ago we get this 22 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 1: blockbuster trade announcement that we'll talk about here. 23 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 3: So we're never really out of the thick of it, 24 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 3: I guess, is what I'm saying. 25 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm old enough to remember slow weeks in the 26 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 2: NFL hot stove hasn't been the case. Don't put your 27 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: hand near the stove lately because you're gonna get burned. 28 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 2: The thing though, And this is the funny you mentioned 29 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: this chaos is a ladder, So as a year round drafter, 30 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: I mean we're in like the one month I'm generally 31 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: not drafting because there's not a ton of action. When 32 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: I see all these moves, one of my first thoughts is, man, 33 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: I'd love to jump into a draft and see if 34 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: I could jump on a move. You don't kind of 35 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: front run. One of the ancillary moves right though, is 36 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: kind of subsequent moves. So we're gonna be talking about 37 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: a bit of that. Looks like a wide receiver episode. 38 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: Let's start about that trade that you alluded to. Jail 39 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: and Waddle former first round for the Dolphins traded over 40 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: to Denver Wow okay, with a twenty twenty six fourth round, four, 41 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: a twenty twenty six first round, a twenty twenty six 42 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 2: third round, and a twenty twenty six fourth round. I'm 43 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: not the best with equating draft capital into real life 44 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 2: talent because Jake, a lot of these picks bust teams 45 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: are in different competition windows. I think from that ladder perspective, 46 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: it's probably a win for Denver. I know you're giving 47 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: up a ton. It is a physical ton as far 48 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: as draft capital goes. But this is a team that 49 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: just went far. They're young. Also, it's a young quarterback. 50 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 2: They can mature into it. I think one of the 51 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: problems with this Denver team worthy intermediate and short range 52 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: passing games quoted Sutton stepped up looked fantastic. The rest 53 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 2: of the room, there's talent there. No one really separated, right. 54 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 2: We had the Brian a little here and there, and 55 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: then mim sometimes. But it feels like Wattle is gonna 56 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: step into a real dominant role. What do you think 57 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: about this role winners and losers. 58 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: I think that this is an interesting trade to have 59 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: happened during this offseason because there's been so much written 60 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 1: about the fact that the twenty twenty six rookie draft 61 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: class is maybe not as strong as some of the others. 62 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: So you're talking about how much that Denver gave up 63 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: to get Wattle, and it feels like if you transpose 64 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: this to last year, Yeah, maybe they don't give. 65 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 3: Up a first and a third or whatever last year 66 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 3: for that, but. 67 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: They just probably looked at this class and said, no, 68 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: we need somebody who brings us what we need right now. 69 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 3: We don't want to wait. We are so close to 70 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 3: a super Bowl, or felt so close to it last year, 71 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: So I don't mind it. 72 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: I certainly don't mind it for fantasy because John, I 73 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: think I want to give out my very first offseason award, 74 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: if I may, I want to send it to Waddle, 75 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: and it's just called the Running in Place Award. It's 76 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: the free agency move that changes everything while simulteniously changing nothing, 77 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: because it does change Wattle's place in the pecking order, 78 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: because he's going from being the undisputed number one in 79 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: Miami obviously to now having some actual respectable target competition, 80 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: you know, from Sutton and still Troy Franklin and yeah, 81 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: maybe even Marvin Mims and Pat Bryant, you know, if 82 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,679 Speaker 1: we can squint hard enough. I'm a big Pat Bryant guy. John, 83 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if you knew that about me, so 84 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: this actually does bump me out. 85 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 3: A little bit from that perspective. 86 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: But you know, it's a past heavy offense, so yeah, 87 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,679 Speaker 1: there's more mouths to feed and all that. But they're 88 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: gonna be thrown a lot more in Denver than I 89 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: presume they would have with Malik Willis in Dolphins Land. 90 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: So does it kind of seem like a you know, 91 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: a lateral move in that way to you? 92 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it just brings up the quintessential fantasy 93 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 2: argument when there is movement. I love that running in 94 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: place thing by the way, right he where you can 95 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 2: really improve your stock without much kind of changing. Now, 96 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: I was always very high Wattle. I've always said he was, 97 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 2: you know, hashtag good at football, former first rounder. I 98 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 2: think we saw his ability to excel within an offense. 99 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 2: Now that was the offense that had Treek Hill stretching 100 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: for Wattle to work underneath. If I see it not 101 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 2: and along this is just audio, but I feel like 102 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 2: I got Jake a little bit going because that does 103 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: kind of reflect what we're expecting. So people are always 104 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 2: gonna say, wow, I'd rather be that unquestioned number one 105 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 2: and making sure I get eight, nine, ten targets every game, 106 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 2: But how good are the targets, what quality are they? 107 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 2: How many are in the end zone? Because your team scores, 108 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 2: Miami right now is constituted, could, should, maybe would be 109 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 2: terrible without any other additions. So I think this is 110 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: actually a lateral two bullish move for Wattle right now, Jake, 111 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: before we move off, because there's really so much to 112 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 2: glean from this Wattle right now adp fifty. I'm not 113 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 2: sure if we're gonna get much of a move. I 114 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 2: do think that he's gonna be looked at as you know, lateral, 115 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: like we said, are static. Let's say now Sutton at 116 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 2: sixty eight, he might drop a little bit. I think 117 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: there's room for him the rest of the players. Bryant 118 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: is at pick one p seventy, Franklin one seventy two, 119 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 2: Mims at two twenty five. Those guys are going to drop. 120 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 2: I would really only be looking at Broncos, probably in 121 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 2: a stack situation. I think we're gonna see a very 122 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 2: consolidated targetry, which is why I'm fine with Wattle. But 123 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be Wattle Sutton. End of list. 124 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: What do you think about the Miami side right now? 125 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:45,239 Speaker 2: It feels a little bit barren. Right that cupboard feels 126 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: a little bit empty right now for as far as 127 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: past catchers goes Malik Washington first pass catching dolphin off 128 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: the board at pick two sixteen, that's gotta change. Jake 129 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: d even have anything on the Dolphins or is it 130 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: just run? This is a case of somebody's got to 131 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 2: get the ball. 132 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, it's just oof. 133 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: It's oof all around with I just feel bad from 134 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: a Lake Willis and all of this. 135 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 3: It was already gonna be tough on the on the 136 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 3: poor guy. 137 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: Now. 138 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: You know you mentioned an empty or barren cover and 139 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: it's just like a half tipped over bag of rice 140 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: that he's got to throw to it. You know, his 141 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: best bud Jalen Tolbert still there, not still there? He 142 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: just got added this offseason one year deal. There's tight 143 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: end Greg Dawsic, who guy I kind of joked about 144 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: last week. 145 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 3: I kind of like him. I like him a little 146 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 3: bit more now. 147 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: But it's just do the Dolphins go after maybe a 148 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: top receiver in the draft. Does it really matter since 149 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: maybe none of these guys' profile is a true wide 150 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: receiver one or clear cut wide receiver one. I guess John, 151 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: I'm more surprised that Miami didn't at least get back 152 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: one of those young Denver wide receivers as part of 153 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: this trade, Like. 154 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: How did that come back? Yeah? 155 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very strange to me. So obviously that wasn't 156 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: part of it. Maybe Sean Payton's just being stubborn with 157 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:01,239 Speaker 1: his dudes. 158 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: He loves that, right, he loves Mit. Vice is his guy, all. 159 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 3: Of his guys, even though he doesn't like throwing to them. Apparently. 160 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 3: What I want to throw out to you, John, what platonic? 161 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 2: They're just friends, Jake, They're just friends. 162 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 3: It's not even that so no scoring run. 163 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: What do you think about maybe a guy like Brian 164 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: Thomas junior who's on the trade block, not on the 165 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: trade block, maybe they go after a young wide receiver 166 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: like that who can kind of grow, you know, grow 167 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: with the team. 168 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: There. 169 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 3: I almost vomited. I think just trying to get Brian Thomas. 170 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 2: The Dolphins offense will do that to you. 171 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, but but is there maybe a path for them 172 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: to do something like that because they can't just go 173 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: in with what they have now? 174 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. It's really bad, it's really bad. 175 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: I think you mentioned the big winner right now for 176 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 2: me is Greg Dulcic. That is the type of case 177 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: that I'll say someone's got to get the ball when 178 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 2: it's a tight end right because it's shorter passes, higher 179 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 2: probability stuff. We know he can win close and there's 180 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: a good chance this team is just atrocious. And again, 181 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: if we're PPR guys, there could be a lot of 182 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: two high shells and a lot of kind of preventative 183 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: defense that the dolphinscy and Dulsig could be an eight 184 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 2: catch for thirty seven yards type of guy, which again 185 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 2: will love those you know, twelve PPR points. Maybe he 186 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: falls into the end zone. So I do love the 187 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 2: Dulsage play. All kidding aside, I love it. He's a 188 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 2: pick two thirty seven. I would be putting him probably 189 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: in the you know, outer shells of that later tight 190 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: end one. So if you're a tight end punter, I 191 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 2: think Dulsage is actually a great pick. The rest of Miami, Man, 192 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 2: I am so far out it's actually hurting. How I 193 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: feel about willis again not to beat this dead horse, 194 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 2: but it is worth circling back. Sometimes when there is 195 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 2: new data, you're not flip flopping. I like to call 196 00:09:55,840 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 2: that critical thinking, Jake is your ideas of League Wills, 197 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 2: who we were both kind of high on. At the cost, 198 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: it doesn't hurt it at all. I mean, it's hard 199 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 2: not to think. This doesn't take away from a ceiling 200 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: having Jill and Waddle. 201 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard people already try to rationalize this, which 202 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: just feels like a coping mechanism right now. Of well, 203 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: when he did play the few snaps that he played 204 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: for Green Bay, he had a rough you know, characterist 205 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: that he was throwing two out there. They didn't have, 206 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: you know, Christian Watson was barely even healthy in participating. 207 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: It's still a way different ballgame than what they are 208 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: operating right now in Miami. So it does hurt Malik Willis. 209 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: The rushing upside can only do so much. You need 210 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: somebody to throw too, besides Devin h Chan, besides Greg Dulsich. 211 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: So yeah, he goes from being a very interesting late 212 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: round dart throw to somebody that I might just avoid. 213 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 2: Overall, Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. 214 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: By the way, I would take Dontavian Wicks, who was 215 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 2: like the four or five on that Packers team over 216 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 2: everybody on the Dolphins right now. So to me, that 217 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: argument is not great. I wanted to get off it, 218 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 2: but I don't think I can because Jake, you're really 219 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 2: good at this. You mentioned Devin Chen and how does 220 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 2: your feeling about him? Does it change? Right, So removing 221 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 2: a pass catcher should make us like the receiving running 222 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 2: back more right, it should, but we're talking about a 223 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: running quarterback. That kind of took away from that potential 224 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 2: ceiling aspect of a Chan's game At this point, the 225 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 2: way I see it, you gotta go with the talent, 226 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 2: and if people are knocking down Devin Chan, I'm still 227 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 2: gonna take him at ADP or right around it because 228 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: someone he's got to be pacing to get twenty five 229 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 2: or more touches every single game. Do you have a stand? 230 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 2: Do you think maybe that's misplaced? And should I just 231 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:53,719 Speaker 2: be hitting the eject button on Chan? 232 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: Also, I don't know that you can hit the eject 233 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: button on somebody with that much talent, because this as 234 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: whiffs of. 235 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 3: Brice Hall to me from last year. 236 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: Now, going into the draft, we assumed that Garrett Wilson 237 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: would be there obviously for the duration of the season, 238 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: so there'd be like a quality wide receiver to still 239 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: open some things up for Brisal. Then Bries you know, 240 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: has to endoor basically ten games without Garrett Wilson in 241 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: a very low scoring offense at the time, presumably with 242 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: Justin Fields, a primarily run first or run heavy quarterback. 243 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: So there are parallels to Brisall, and Brisall ended up 244 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: doing pretty well for folks. I don't know that a 245 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: ch Han should be drafted in the first round now. 246 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: I don't think that, you know, if he's in the 247 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: back of the second round, though, it does feel like 248 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: almost an auto pick for me because people might be 249 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: overreacting to that. 250 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 2: I love that call. Right now, it's ADP thirteen. I 251 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 2: think it will probably settle a little bit lower, and 252 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 2: I guess it just comes down to how you feel 253 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 2: about the second round running backs. But I think we're 254 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 2: in agree meeting that don't cross him off. In trading, 255 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 2: we call trailing a price, waiting to see which direction 256 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 2: it goes in and getting underneath it. You know, if 257 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 2: his price is moving down, then you don't have to 258 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: pay a premium, you know, let it fall to you. Well, 259 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 2: that was really awesome, Jake. I think that's what I 260 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 2: was hoping for from this offseason. All the ripple effects 261 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 2: all the way down to the quarterback because it matters. 262 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: Next up, another big wide receiver on the move. Mike 263 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 2: Evans finally lost the thousand receiving yard streak due to injury. 264 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: When he was on the field, he still looked pretty good. 265 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 2: I've got the stats here. He got capped at thirty 266 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 2: catches for three sixty eight and three on sixty two targets. 267 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 2: But he was earning nearly eight targets a game, twenty 268 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 2: seven percent target per route, which is excellent. A little 269 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 2: over one and a half yards per rout. We'd like 270 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 2: to see a little bit more. Buddy was getting over 271 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 2: thirteen air yards per target, earning more than one hundred 272 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 2: air yards per game. Mike Evans pretty effective when he's 273 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 2: out there. He's on the move. I got the contract 274 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 2: detail signed to three year, forty two million dollar contract 275 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 2: with San Francisco. I don't know about giving a guy 276 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 2: his age three years. If that's what he had to 277 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 2: do it to bring it in, that's another story for 278 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 2: another day. Mike Evans San Francisco gotta be pretty interesting. 279 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 2: They've been jettising effective weapons. He's kind of impact players. 280 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 2: Now they bring one in so I guess the first 281 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 2: question is do you still see Evans as that kind 282 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 2: of player and how do you think he fits and 283 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 2: at ADP fifty one Mike Evans, would you be taken 284 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: that on, mister Jake. 285 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: I mean, Mike Evans can fit into any offense. That's 286 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: never a concern for me. It's not I don't think 287 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: that there's necessarily a bad landing spot for that type 288 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: of guy. But at his age coming off you mentioned, yeah, 289 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: a lot of his peripherals still looked pretty good. There 290 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: was still some inflection points last year, the additional injury 291 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: at that age where I just go, I really hope 292 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: he's not entering that late stage Julio Jones portion of 293 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: his career where you know, we see it off, Julio 294 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: Jones goes over to Tennessee and then we kind of 295 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: just see him fade into the background. It was a 296 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: worse situation for Julio Jones. It's just something that's been 297 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: nagging at me. But I think what I'm worried about 298 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: with Evans is more that we're not gonna see another 299 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: thousand yard. 300 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 3: Season come so easily for him. 301 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: It's not to say he can't get there, but I 302 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be harder for him to do it. 303 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: He'll be benefited by, you know, George Kittle being out, 304 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: presumably to start the year, at least for a couple. 305 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 3: Of games, maybe more than that. 306 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: He's really got Ricky Pearsall as his main competition right 307 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: now if he can stay healthy, so it should be 308 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: consolidated in favor of him early on in this season. 309 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: I just worry as we get along, we might see 310 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: a trail off at some point and he might just 311 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: have to go the Devonte Adams right too, John, you know, 312 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: and say, hey, I'm gonna get a bunch of touchdowns 313 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: to make up for all of this, and he could 314 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: do it in that offense. 315 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 3: So I'm not too worried. 316 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: But I'm a little worried, John, Yeah, I'm probably out 317 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 2: at the core age curve with the injury. We want 318 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: to see it first. And he's not particularly cheap me. 319 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 2: I'm a cheap skate. Anyone that knows me kind of 320 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 2: knows this, and that's what it's all about. I'm worried. 321 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: You know, we've seen lower body injuries take a long 322 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 2: time to heal. Even guys are really awesome players. I know, 323 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 2: it's all a little bit different. But like even Tony 324 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: Pollard kind of came to mind coming go for a 325 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 2: lower body injury. People ignored it, took him in the 326 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: first round, middle of the second and he just wasn't 327 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 2: there and then was good afterwards. So I'm worried that 328 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: the discount is not there. You mentioned piercell. I actually 329 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 2: think Pearsall might end up being the big winner. He's 330 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 2: an ADP eighty one. I believe that will drop, and 331 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 2: I think this is a stylistic thing. So okay, Evans 332 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: to start, I think he's a much better redraft pick 333 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 2: than best ball pick. We kind of have to be 334 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: talking these terms because people think about fantasy football now, 335 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 2: some are playing best ball. I'm worried about the durability 336 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: so that in best ball, right, that kind of flips. 337 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 2: I think Evans is gonna if he's healthy Week one, 338 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: comes out hot, He's gonna demand eight, ten or more targets. 339 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 2: He's gonna eat every bit of the high value work 340 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 2: without George Kittle, like you mentioned. So there's no reason 341 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 2: to not like a healthy Evans. But if we're talking 342 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: in terms of an entire season, I'd be a little 343 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 2: I'd just be a little bit worried. How about the 344 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 2: flip side of that, Tampa? I believe now right we're 345 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 2: seeing all of a sudden that a Booker pick that 346 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 2: people kind of question they have so many whiteouts. Well, 347 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 2: they knew they had an old white out on an 348 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 2: expiring contract. So what do you think about Tampa. It 349 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 2: seems like they kind of have the pieces in place. Yeah, 350 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 2: what do you think about that offense? Yeah? 351 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: John, I like to try to pin this down in 352 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: terms of things that we've seen before, just because for context. 353 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 3: I think it's helpful. 354 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: And I remember, even at the time of the Abuka pick, 355 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: the hemming and hawing about there's too many people already there, Evans, Godwin, etc. 356 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: Jalen McMillan, I don't like this pick. It's like you 357 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: just have to be able to see at least a 358 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: year beyond. Remember when Seattle drafted Jackson Smith and Jigba 359 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: and there was a very similar thought process of DK 360 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: Metcalf's there and Tyler Lockett's there, and I don't like 361 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: this as a landing spot for him. Flash forward a year, 362 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: he's looking great, flash forward two, he's looking amazing. So 363 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say that Abuka will definitely get 364 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: to where we saw JSN this past year. 365 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 3: That's a really really. 366 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: High bar, but the pave the way it has been 367 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: paid for him, I should say, and I think it's 368 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: gonna come down to him and still whatever Chris Godwin 369 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: has left in the tank. So just like Mike Evans 370 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: on a different team, where we're drafting him hoping that 371 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: he starts out good enough to sort of get you 372 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: over any hump, you know, and maybe you can drop 373 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: him later or trade him before he completely falls off. 374 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: I think a similar thing for Godwin is actually in 375 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: the mix as well him that Buka could do well 376 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: together at the start of the year and then we 377 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: might see some Jalen McMillan kind of filtering towards the 378 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: end of the season. 379 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that last name is probably the one I'm the 380 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 2: most interested in at cost right now, and Mecca Egbuka. 381 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 2: I was stumbling over that before, right around pick forty. 382 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 2: It's rich, but it's what we expect, right pettigree plus talent. 383 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 2: He's had success. I don't think people are gonna be 384 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 2: punishing him too much for the second half waning, considering 385 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: Evans is now out of the way Godwin is going 386 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: around pick one hundred, it looks like, yeah, right around 387 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 2: one hundred, maybe give or take McMillan back at one 388 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 2: forty five. Again, if we're talking in terms of best ball, 389 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:47,959 Speaker 2: if you worry, you know about durability for anybody, right, 390 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 2: Godwin's had those injuries. Also we see McMillan succeed. I 391 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,959 Speaker 2: think there is almost no chance that we don't get 392 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: at least four or five games where McMillan is on 393 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 2: the waiver wire article of the wor right the thing 394 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 2: we're all familiar with or is the DFSCO Smash pick 395 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 2: of the week. So just I always like to keep 396 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 2: an eye down range. I think you nail. I think 397 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 2: it kind of settles in. I'd be very bullish and 398 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 2: buk even with that back end strugg like struggle. I mean, 399 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: he came up with sixty three grams for nine thirty 400 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: eight and six. He earned seven and a half targets 401 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 2: a game, twenty four percent target per route, just over 402 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,719 Speaker 2: one and three quarters yards per route run, which is 403 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 2: really really good. You know, we love all that. Just 404 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: under one hundred air yards per game. You know, when 405 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 2: you're earning targets and they can be deep and you're 406 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 2: you know, winning outside. He also, you know, I like 407 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 2: to mention slot targets whenever we look for the PPR scam. 408 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 2: He ran a dozen slot routes a game and caught 409 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 2: more than two balls per game out of the slot. 410 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 2: I don't think people always see that, right, we're looking 411 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 2: for that. That's kind of a skill working in the slot. 412 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 2: It has to do with continuity and repetitions, all things 413 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 2: that now we're getting with a healthy off season, all 414 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 2: the practice with the quarterback. So yeah, I get really high. 415 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 2: These second year guys love the and boo guy worry 416 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: a little bit about Godwin. But at the price you 417 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 2: could probably sell me in McMillan, Like I said one 418 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 2: forty five, I'm all about it. Man. That was I 419 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,959 Speaker 2: gotta take a deep breath after that turn in the corner. Man. 420 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: All right, all right, let's bring it back now. Thank you, 421 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 2: thank you, thank you, thank you. Who who says we're 422 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: we're under celebrated here? Okay, George Pickens, I think he 423 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 2: might have came up briefly. Let's dive a little bit 424 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 2: deeper in. So George Pickens, coming off that really nice 425 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 2: season in Dallas, he gets the franchise tag, and I 426 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 2: know players sometimes are known to be a little bit 427 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 2: upset about that it's over twenty seven, Mili. I think 428 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,239 Speaker 2: he'll be fine. Brian was twenty. I think I had 429 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: that number right away, and yeah, twenty seven point two million. 430 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 2: You want to you don't want to sell off that 431 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: point too. It matters that that's what point matters. So 432 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 2: George Pickens was good for over two hundred and ninety 433 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 2: total fantasy points, almost a half a fantasy point per route. 434 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 2: These are really elite numbers, and that was having to 435 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 2: share the field with Lamb. To go back to before, 436 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 2: how more than one fantasy asset could eat in an 437 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 2: offense over fourteen hundred yards, nine touchdowns, eighty four yards 438 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: per game, almost two and a half yards per route, 439 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 2: fifteen yards perception in ninety one air yards per game 440 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 2: for Pickens, Yeah, I don't know. I'm kind of loving it, man. 441 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 2: I hope he's not upset because we want our you know, 442 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: wide receivers, happy, Jake. The issue would be the price tag. 443 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 2: George picken is going at the two three turn right now, 444 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: pick twenty three and a half. I know that's gonna 445 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 2: the idea of a number two wide out going at 446 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 2: that point is probably the chin scratch. So I'd like 447 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 2: you to talk to this about Pickens, but i'd also 448 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 2: like your take on second pass catching options going with 449 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 2: premium adyps. 450 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: It's so funny that you phrase it that way, because 451 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: when I saw George Pickens at that round going as 452 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: wide receiver nine, I believe right now an underdog. I go, Okay, 453 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: there are historical precedents of this, We've seen it happen, 454 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: and I was trying to figure of exactly which number 455 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: two quote unquote receiver Pickens reminded me of, and I 456 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: think it's T Higgins. 457 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 3: Seen him right every other year. 458 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: It seems like he's really high in ADP, then he's 459 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: really low in ADP, then he's high again, And I 460 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: think that Pickens is on that T Higgins sort of trajectory. 461 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: And we've seen where he's technically the number two option, 462 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: but he has the ability to eclipse the number one 463 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: option on a game to game basis. Nobody's arguing that 464 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: Jamar Chase is not worth his ADP or he is 465 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: the undisputed number one in the Bengals offense. But here 466 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: comes to Higgins when healthy, and that's probably the biggest 467 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: difference between Higgins and Pickens is that Higgins has been 468 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: largely healthy through his career thus far, knock on wood. 469 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: So if that holds up, then I think it's completely 470 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: worth his ADP. And I've not even been a guy 471 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: John who's historically been in on Pickens, And I think 472 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: that's just a me problem because his second year in 473 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: the league. You know, it's not like he blew the 474 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: doors off, but he gets eleven hundred yards with Kenny 475 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: Pickett and Mason Rudolph and Mitch Tubisky throw into him. 476 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: And that should have been my first clue. I think 477 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: John that he was gonna be hard, right, Does that 478 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: make sense that sort of comparison to a guy like Higgins. 479 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. And in fact, again for the audio people didn't seed. 480 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 2: I was really nodding along because you really described my 481 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 2: own lived experience there where I have fallen victim to 482 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 2: just handwaving second options. How could I take a second 483 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 2: option when I might get one and a half more 484 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 2: targets per game? But then it circles back to what 485 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: I mentioned before, the quality of the targets, the depth 486 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 2: of the targets, how many near the end zone? I 487 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 2: don't know if you know this. George Pickens had eighteen 488 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 2: en zone targets eighteen and zo targets that who cares 489 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 2: if you're not it doesn't matter, right, it doesn't matter. 490 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. So that's a mistake I've made in 491 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 2: the past, putting this number two wide out number one. 492 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 2: That's completely irrelevant. You actually mentioned it in passing and 493 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 2: I want to bring it back. The size of the pie. Right, 494 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,239 Speaker 2: there's there's the amount of pieces, but you could have, 495 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 2: you know, a smaller percentage by piece, but it's a 496 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 2: larger total because the actual amount is larger. And I 497 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 2: think if we're talking large amounts, Dallas is certainly one 498 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: of those teams. And I think maybe one thing that 499 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 2: we haven't mentioned outside from again, Dallas offense was incredible. 500 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 2: People more than three hundred and ninety yards a game, 501 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 2: just under six yards for play. They led the league, 502 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: and I'm sorry they were second. Success rate. You gotta 503 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: get my nerdy stats correct. Buffalo is number one and 504 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 2: success rate Josh Allen will do that. But the point 505 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 2: that I wanted to bring up that we didn't mention 506 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 2: was the running back is not a pass catcher, and 507 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 2: they brought back Gavanda, So it's a little for me. 508 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 2: It would be a little bit different when you're saying, 509 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 2: all right, he's technically the wide receiver two, but there's 510 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 2: also this running back that might command sixty or seventy targets. 511 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: That's not the case in Dallas. I think we're it's 512 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 2: Pickens is really safe. They know what they got. He's 513 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 2: had issues before, all field stuff. It meld. It meshed 514 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 2: really well. Last year. There was a mind meld with 515 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 2: Prescott and we saw if Ceedee Lamb goes down, Pickens 516 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 2: is superstar, a one top wide receiver in the game 517 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 2: type of players. So yeah, I'm all about I'm all 518 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,479 Speaker 2: about that. You know what, there were two meams that 519 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 2: we mentioned last week, so we only have a little 520 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 2: bit of time, Jakey, you could do them separately or together, 521 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 2: because they did come up with was Alex Peerce and 522 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 2: Michael Pittman, two other pass catchers on the move. Piers 523 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 2: got four years buck fourteenth to State Indie. Pittman got 524 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 2: two years in that trade to Pittsburgh. So again, I 525 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 2: know we mentioned them, but I think we wanted to 526 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 2: circle back to them. Is there anything that you think 527 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 2: we missed or as this has kind of developed, have 528 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 2: you digested it any differently? 529 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: Well, I've tried my best to make peace with the 530 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: Alec Pierce situation because I was somebody who didn't really 531 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: think that him returning to the Colts and Daniel Jones 532 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: and then we saw the Daniel Joneses for sure coming back. 533 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: I didn't think that that was the best thing for 534 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: his fantasy value. I kind of wanted him to get 535 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: another opportunity with more volume someplace else. 536 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 2: You know. 537 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: I had illusions of him with Drake may in New England, 538 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: or you know, maybe even Justin Herbert with the Chargers, 539 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: or Heck Baker Mayfield in Tampa Bay after the Mike 540 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: Evans thing, and I think any of them would have 541 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 1: been more exciting on. 542 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 3: The fantasy front. 543 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: But he's just Alec Pierce is somebody who hopefully gets 544 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: more with Michael Pittman gone to Pittsburgh. But also the 545 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: Colts could add one of these very solid wide receiver 546 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: types in the draft. You know, there is a guy 547 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: out there, Denzel Boston out of Washington, who is generously 548 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: comped to Michael Pittman. So it's not as if and 549 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: he doesn't project to be a day one draft pick either, 550 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: so the Colts could add somebody like him. And you know, 551 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: it's not to say that it's completely smooth sailing for 552 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: him getting one hundred and fifty targets or something like 553 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: that this year, but I did want a little bit 554 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: better for Pierce. 555 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 3: Are you okay with him sticking around in Indy? 556 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always a cost thing. I was wondering if 557 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 2: he would go flying up boards, the thinking being this 558 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 2: massive target share is coming his way, and I don't 559 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: know if I feel that way about Pierce. I'm also 560 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 2: worried about the quarterback situation. I could really see other 561 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: people liking him more than I do. Alec Pierce, I mean, 562 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 2: last year's felt like the nuthand run out for him 563 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 2: in a contract year. To turn forty seven catch is 564 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 2: into over one thousand yards doesn't happen often, Probably not 565 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 2: gonna happen again. Daniel Jones, What condition is he gonna 566 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 2: be in? We saw how bad that offense was without 567 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 2: a quarterback able to keep it all together. So there's 568 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 2: a lot of question marks again at ADP seventy. You know, 569 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 2: you could twist my arm that I'm getting a very 570 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: good player who is the focus of the pass offense. 571 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 2: The name I didn't hear come up would be Josh Downs. 572 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 2: I think that's who I'm really into. He's much right, 573 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 2: he's much cheaper, So Josh Satwns is going at pick 574 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 2: one point thirty. I think he's also more quarterback quality 575 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 2: insulated right bad quarterbacks can complete passes to the slot guy, 576 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 2: And I think Downs is again hampsteak good at football. 577 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 2: He suffered from not playing in two wide sets Pierce earned. 578 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 2: That's spot Pittman is not coming off the field. I 579 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 2: don't know if that's gonna be the case. So before 580 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 2: we're paying you know, thirty pick premium for Downs, we 581 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 2: might want to see the draft. This is one of 582 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 2: those cases where I'd like to wait for the NFL 583 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 2: Draft before I do fantasy drafting. Sure, if the Colts 584 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 2: bring in an X type right outside type wide out, 585 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 2: that could mean the same role reduction for Downs, which 586 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 2: would mean the same ceiling, which would mean again more blah. 587 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 2: If they don't, Downs has a chance to be a 588 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 2: real volume guy underneath. He earned eighty eight targets last year. 589 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 2: That was kind of sneaky. He had eleven more catches 590 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 2: than Alec Pierce no one is really interesting. Twenty three 591 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 2: percent target per route, run one and a half yards 592 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 2: per route, checking boxes, and again he's very effective from 593 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 2: the slot you know, nineteen slot routes a game. He 594 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 2: was the guy. Will he move outside? I don't know. 595 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 2: To me, that's kind of the lynchpin for the not 596 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 2: I want downs. I think both of us feel a 597 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 2: little kind of wishy washy on Pierce. How about just 598 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 2: really quick on Pittman. We don't even know that the 599 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 2: passing situation. They're not a high pass volume team. I'm 600 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 2: not really into Pittman. That was my take on it. 601 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 3: How about yourself, It's gross, It's gross, John, I don't 602 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 3: know that. I have a lot more clarity outside of that. 603 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 2: I was. 604 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: I was thinking, Michael Pittman, maybe he just wants to 605 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: leave Indy just to try to see if he can 606 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: land a bigger role somewhere else. I don't know that 607 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: he gets one in Pittsburgh. 608 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 2: Money money, money, buney. 609 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll do a lot to uh make you comfortable 610 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: with your role. I suppose, whatever it ends up being. 611 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: But they do have a very uncluttered depth chart. We 612 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: have to admit that it's dk Metcalf it's Pittman. It's 613 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: not a lot else. They even got forty seven tight 614 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: ends and all forty. 615 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 3: Six now because I got rid of don Yeah. 616 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 2: That's right. I want the man. I love Donnell Washing. 617 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 3: This is this is the problem. 618 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 2: You chase the steel and you get what you get, 619 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 2: and you don't get upset because what you generally get 620 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 2: is a slow moving, low volume, run driven offense. They 621 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 2: love to throw to the running back. Yeah, so I'm 622 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 2: not going to do that. I'm not going to buy 623 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 2: into a vertical threat that's also sharing targets. I didn't 624 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 2: put the price out there. Metcalf seventy five, Pittman ninety four. 625 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 2: I guess fine. Like as a skill based play, if 626 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 2: you went zero wide out and need need guys that 627 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 2: are going to be playing, I think you're right. Like 628 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 2: he's playing, he's gonna play every down, and whatever targets 629 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 2: are there, half of them should go to him. I'm 630 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 2: just worried about the size of that pie man. That 631 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 2: was really really cool. Jake. 632 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: One quick thing though, Johns say Michael Party's name, because 633 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: for anybody who's like it's a new look offense, it's 634 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: not a new look offense under a different guy's name. 635 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 3: That's all it is. 636 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 2: It's the same old song, just a different roster since 637 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 2: you've been gone. So from Big John and Jake Trovebridge. Man, 638 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 2: we had such a great time. You hear Fantasy Football Weekly. 639 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,959 Speaker 2: Hit us up on the socials and stuff. Thanks for listening. 640 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 2: Enjoy the games, Enjoy today when we're done with the books. 641 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 2: Enjoy the pay. Take care of everybody.