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I am your host, 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:49.160 Travis Wingfield. And on today's show, one more day until 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:52.839 it kicks off. The draft begins tomorrow night in Kansas City, 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:54.880 and we have one of the top experts in the 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:57.960 field on the podcast today breaking down all things, not 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.640 just Dolphins Draft, but a fell Drafts twenty twenty three edition. 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.440 Jordan Reid from ESPN joins me. Plus we have some 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.240 media availabilities to recap. We will do that at the 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:10.200 end of the episode. Today from the Baptist Health Studios 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:12.080 inside the Baptist Health Training Complex. 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:12.600 This is. 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:20.000 The Drift Time Podcast maya caffish fish. Let's give a 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.680 warm welcome once again to a longtime friend of the 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:26.160 Draft Time podcast. He's a draft analyst at ESPN. You 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:29.320 all know the name Jordan Reid. Jordan, how are you doing? 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:29.560 Man? 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:31.600 I have to imagine this week is just a bit 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:32.440 of a blur for you. 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:35.080 It is. It is a blur, man. 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:38.240 I'm like a kid leading up to Christmas day, long days. 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.320 It seems like it's taken forever to get here, but 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:43.160 it's going by really fast. So always excited to talk 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:45.360 draft with you. Feels like we've known each other for 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:48.120 twenty years now when it's been like five really six, So. 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.800 It does, man. I mean we've probably done I mentioned 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:55.160 all the time, we've probably done double digit episodes here 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:56.720 with you on the podcast. I love having you on 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.680 Senior Bowl combine before the Draft and a little bit 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:01.400 different for you this year now, I think in your 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:04.560 elevated role with ESPN. And you mentioned all the all 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:06.680 the spots that you're doing, man, so we appreciate you 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:08.680 covering out some time. I have to ask you, though, 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:11.320 do you have your vacation for post draft booked already? 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:14.240 Oh? Yeah, that's been booked since January. 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:16.320 I'm looking forward to it's spending some time with the 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:17.959 wife and the kid is going to be traveling a 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:18.880 lot of different places. 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:21.799 Looking forward to it for you, man. So, I think 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:24.239 the last time we talked, you had just produced a 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:27.359 mock draft, a seven round mock draft, which is one 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.360 of the most impressive feats I think a journalist can accomplish, because, 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:32.800 my goodness, that the decisions you have to make, two 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:35.679 hundred and sixty something decisions over and over again. But 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:38.000 you also recently produced we'll get to that in a minute, 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:42.000 recently produce an article on ESPN Plus with your coworker 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:45.880 Matt Miller, Latest Rooms, News and prospect risers. And I 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:47.600 wanted to kind of go across some of those items 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:49.919 with you here. The first one in the piece, Jordan 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.799 explores the possibility of the Texans passing on a quarterback 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:57.119 at number two, and currently their quarterbacks are Davis Mill 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.480 and case Keenum. I just can't imagine to meet Ryan's 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:02.680 going into his first year in the big chair without 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:05.600 adding somebody else to that room. Might they do it? 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:08.360 Might they pass at number two? And then from there, Jordan, 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:11.320 there's a whole cavalcade of intrigue at that point in 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:13.800 the draft, like it's a flex point, right, Would they 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.560 circle back for a quarterback later on with their second 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:19.720 first round pick? Does that make number three an automatic 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.639 trade up spot for somebody? What would the ramifications be 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.000 of the Texans throwing us a curveball at number two 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:26.639 and not taking a quarterback. 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:29.880 I think this is the most interesting point in the 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:31.520 early part of the draft. Two and three. 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:33.760 I'm fascinated by with the text of that two and 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:37.120 then the Cardinals at three, just because the draft could 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:39.120 be totally different than some of the mock drafts that 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.160 we have been projecting. But with Houston, I just don't 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:44.800 know how you sell to your fan base going back 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.840 with Davis Mills or they signed case Keenem this offseason. 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:51.640 Bringing both of those guys out there for another year. 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:53.320 I just don't see how they're going to be able 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.320 to do that. And I know Demico Ryans is locked 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:58.080 into a six year deal, so there's no pressing need 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:01.800 to add a quarterback. But you can't speak in absolutes 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:03.520 when you're talking about the draft, and what I mean 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:05.960 by that is, let's pass on a quarterback this year. 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:08.560 Let's get one of Drake mayor capable next year. 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:10.360 But let's say you go out and you win six 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:12.760 or seven games next year, and you're picking later on 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.520 in the top ten, and those two to those top 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:17.120 two teams at the top of the draft they need 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:18.840 a quarterback. You're not going to be able to trade 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.800 back into those spots like you were originally in twenty 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.200 twenty three. So why not go ahead and get the 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:27.000 most important positions solidify. You don't have to give up 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.479 any extra draft capital. You already have eleven other picks 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.240 twelve total to address plenty of needs on your roster. 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:35.760 So I just don't see how they wouldn't go quarterback 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:36.400 at number. 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.119 Two, especially in a class that looks pretty good on paper. 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:40.400 I mean, I know you've got a couple of guys 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:42.760 that you're a big fan of, so in that instance, though, 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:44.840 so I imagine you have Bryce Young going number one. 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.080 Do you have the Texan taking a quarterback? And just 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.640 in general the top five quarterbacks you've heard about, are 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:51.720 there five first round quarterbacks? And where do you think 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:54.120 they all wind up when it's all said and done 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:55.839 tomorrow night from Kansas City. 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.080 I mean, whichever one doesn't go first, I think you 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.840 take the other. If you're detextans, whether it's c. J. 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:04.640 Stroud or Bryce Young, he should be fine with either 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.280 one of them. Just get that position solidified. But right 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:09.880 now I think it's four and impossible with Hn and 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:12.840 Hooker being the possible as that fifth round guy. But 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.920 for right now, your quarterback landing spots are the top 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:19.320 two picks. The Colts at four are another obvious one, 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.240 the Raiders possibly. I don't think they're going to take one, 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.200 but they could since they have Jimmy Garoppolo there already. 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.600 They invested big money in him. Another sneaky one is 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:32.640 Tennessee at eleven. There's been some whispers about them potentially 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.760 trading up looking to replace Ryan Tannehill there. Milik Willis 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:38.440 just didn't work out for them in his rookie year, 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:42.560 and it seems like they maybe want a younger option 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:44.920 that has a little bit more upside. And then in 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.120 the back parts of the first round you maybe talking 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:49.840 Minnesota at twenty three that's looking for a quarterback too, 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:53.040 So there isn't a whole bunch of landing spots. Nineteen 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.360 Tampa bas shout Altro also mentioned them too. I think 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.400 they're a QB needy team, so there isn't a whole 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.760 bunch of landing spots that you can play matchmaker with. 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:03.080 But inside of the top ten or the top twelve, 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:05.120 I should say I think there's a lot of where 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:09.160 they could go. So top two definitely. Then with the 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:12.520 Colts at four, whether they swap picks with Arizona, that's 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:14.280 something that you definitely need to keep your eye on 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.760 because Arizona shopping that pick very aggressively, So the Colts 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.320 could stay at four, look to go at three. But 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:24.039 Hooker is one that's very intriguing in this draft class, 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.080 and I'm really looking forward to seeing where he ends up. 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:28.599 To me, that's what makes the draft so much fun 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:30.960 for not just casual fans, with people that really study 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:34.560 this thing closely is those quarterback the quarterbacks, the big 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.640 names that generate the big trades in the top five, 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:39.640 top ten, and really throughout the first round. Man, it 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:40.800 makes it a lot more fun. I think when you 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.120 have a really good quarterback class, and you alluded to 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.800 last year, Malik willis a quarterback that I think a 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.279 lot of folks thought might go in the first round, 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:50.320 maybe even top fifteen of that draft, and wind up 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.800 going in the third round with only one quarterback in 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.120 the first round last year, and to me, he kind 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:56.840 of sparks this next question I had for you in 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.760 terms of he falls into one of the categories, because 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.320 you know, I think this year's class Jordan provides a 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:06.520 really good example of traits versus pocket polish and what 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:10.400 you truly value from the quarterback position. I know you 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:12.280 were a dual threat guy in college. Maybe you're a 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:13.720 little bit biased, maybe not. I don't know you can 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:15.680 answer that for us, But I'm curious when you look 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.280 at like Anthony Richardson or I'm Alik Willis as well, 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.480 which different players but similar in terms of plus plus 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.880 athletes who maybe had some more seasoning to happen for 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.440 them before they were you know, pro ready type quarterbacks. 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.520 Then you've got CJ. Stroud, this really high level ball 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:34.200 placement pocket passer. I'm curious where you stand on this 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:38.120 modern debate about quarterback evaluations and where you come down, 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.320 whether it's the traits guys you like, or a guy 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:41.600 that you can point out and say that guy can 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:42.880 win from the pocket. That's what I want. 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.640 Well, I think it's really interesting to see how the 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:50.400 quarterback position has changed over the past decade or so. 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:54.680 The game is really moving away from those traditional pocket 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:58.120 passers that win strictly with their brain in accuracy. So 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:02.119 guys like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.400 those types of Matt Ryan, those types of quarterbacks that 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:09.320 lack mobility, to now these physical specimens like Justin Herbert 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:12.600 or Kyler Murray, those types of players of where they 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.000 not only can beat you with their arm, but they 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.120 can play sandlote football that I'd like to call it. 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:20.320 They can win outside of the pocket and play off script. 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.320 So that's what you're looking for more so in these 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.800 types of quarterbacks. But the most important part is being 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.560 able to win from the pocket, just because teams are 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.280 so good as far as scheming up schematically to where 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:32.800 they can keep you in the pocket and they can 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.040 blitch you when you're standing in the pocket, So you 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:36.840 have to be able to stand in there and deliver. 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.640 So when you're looking at these athletic quarterbacks, yes, it's 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:42.280 great to be able to what I like to call 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:45.800 out athlete teams on the college level, but we've seen 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.320 that you have to be able to win from the pocket, 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:50.480 and I think players like Lamar Jackson some of these 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:52.360 other quarterbacks that we have seen, they've been able to 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:55.440 make that adjustment when they went over from the college 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:57.679 game to the pro game. So I think that's going 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.480 to be the biggest hurdle that players like Malie Willis 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.559 or Anthony Richison have to make. And I think Anthony 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.000 is much further along than what Malik was as far 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:09.760 as from a progression see, read, execute and react standpoint, 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.679 So they're very different, like you said, and then also 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.679 Richardson is much bigger than Malik Willis will was too, 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:19.800 So with these athletic, mobile quarterbacks, I think that's where 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.120 the game is really gravitating towards. 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:24.760 And that innate ability to kind of just manage the pocket, 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.160 right Because you mentioned like Tom Brady, Philip Rivers, those 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:29.559 guys they were always mobile within the pocket. They're not 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.319 going to get outside and beat you for a big scramble, 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:34.720 but they could find, you know, different openings and lanes 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:36.760 within the pocket. And I think that quick twitch is 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.160 something that you see pretty much every quarterback now that 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.280 comes out has the ability to get off that spot, 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.600 reset and throw a strike down the field. So it's 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:45.959 fun to watch man, it expands the game so much, 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:49.040 it really increases the offense. And speaking of increasing the offense, 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:52.079 one position that has also changed quite a lot in 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:54.320 recent years is the running back position. In the next 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:57.559 scenario in your piece on ESPN plus dot com is 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:01.640 the b Jon Robinson conundrum. Here, he's the prime example 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:04.600 that allows us to really broach that running back conversation 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:06.880 and where should you draft these guys? Where does their 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.480 value become begin to start really take hold at a 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:13.120 particular spot in the draft. I'm curious to get your 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.840 take on the scuttle butt there with where he might 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:18.320 go and what it says about the running back position 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:20.559 in the modern draft. If this guy doesn't go, you know, 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.240 consensus top five player, right, But if he doesn't go 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.160 top twenty, what does that say about the running back 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:26.080 position going forward. 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:30.120 Well, we've seen how devalued it has been, but it 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:32.280 seems like a running back goes in the first round 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:35.400 every single year. Every other year, there's always teams that 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.640 value running backs may be higher than some others, just 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.120 like some other positions. But we've seen in years past 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:44.680 you can find these running backs in the later rounds, second, third, fourth, 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:46.760 fifth round, even six or seventh. We saw in the 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:50.000 Super Bowl last year, what does Zia excuse me? Isaiah 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:52.280 Pacheco was able to do for the Kansas City Chiefs 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:54.079 and he was a great fine for them in the 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:54.760 seventh round. 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:56.360 So it just depends on the team that. 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:58.800 You talk to, the scouttery evaluator that you talk to, 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:02.200 of where they value running backs at. But Bijon's landing 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:04.600 spot is something that people even in the league are 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:07.960 all over the place with right now, just because terrific player. 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.560 But they say, where do you take this player at, 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:13.520 especially in a deep running back class? Do you use 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.360 expensive draft capital on it? Expensive being in the first 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.240 round to where you can get a player at more 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.160 of a premium position. But we both know the draft 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.840 is an educated guest, but Bijon, he's an educated guest 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:26.760 that you feel really good about just because of the 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:29.599 talent that we're talking about. So it just depends on 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.280 how you feel about taking running backs in the first round. 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.679 So I would say his ceiling is probably Atlanta at eight, 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.520 but also his floor is the Chargers at twenty one. 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:40.880 I think he probably go in that range somewhere. 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.000 That'll be interesting. He goes the Chargers wonder if an 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.040 Austin Eckler trade might happen in the case of that 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.599 does occur, because what a loaded backfield that would be 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.400 with Bijon and Austin Eckler back there, and so you know, 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.439 then you get this, I guess next wave, because Bijon's 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.080 kind of put himself in a stratspere all by himself. 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:57.920 In terms of the running back position, I think the 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.720 consensus from what I've seen is Jamir gives as running 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.240 back too. I guess my question here is two full 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.839 Do you think that means that Gibbs because of a 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:09.040 potential Bijon slide, could he potentially slide as well? And 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:10.800 then the rest of the running back class, like where's 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:12.319 that sweet spot kind of come into play for this 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.640 year's running back class. And then also the Gibbs question, 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:16.240 if you don't mind, I. 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.360 Think we're going to see running backs fly off of 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:21.400 the board in the second through fourth round. There could 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:23.880 be as many as I think ten to twelve guys 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:27.480 that go in that range just because outside of tight 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.079 end and then also cornerback, I think running back is 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:33.080 the most deep for the deepest of the positional groups 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:35.360 this year, and you can get really good players in 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:38.280 that third or fourth round range. Zach sharbne UCLA Tank, 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.640 Bigsby Auburn, Ti Spears two lane is realed off three 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:43.880 guys right there that could go somewhere in the top 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:44.400 one hundred. 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:45.959 So this running back class is really good. 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:48.559 But I think Gibbs is going to be the beneficiary 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.280 of Bijon going so high, just because he's seen as 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:54.079 that next guy in the pecking order. He could go 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:56.520 as early as thirty to the Eagles. I don't think 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:58.840 that's out of the question at all. But if he's 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.240 there at fifty one for Miami, as soon as the 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.480 team before them turns in the card, I would turn 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:04.240 it in right. 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:06.280 After that, just because it would be such a good 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:07.280 fit for them. 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:08.920 Not saying he's going to be there at fifty one, 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:10.520 I actually doubt that he's going to be there at 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.240 fifty one, just because he's such a dynamic player and 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:16.160 he offers such a different skill set in this running 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:16.600 back class. 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:18.240 But if he's there at fifty one, it's a no 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:19.160 brainer for Miami. 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.360 I made that face and that noise because thinking about 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.199 Jami or Gibbs being with the Philadelphia Eagles offense is 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:27.200 just an embarrassment of riches with what they have already 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.520 in terms of playmakers and speed in the running game. 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:31.360 What Jalen Hurts offers, man that would be fun to 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.280 watch also be a lot of fun to watch them 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:34.480 here in Miami. We'll come back to that here in 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.280 one second. Some more general NFL questions for Jordan Reid 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:42.200 here ESPNS Draft analyst. I'm curious some surprise, potential surprises 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.920 that you could see playing out. Whether it's a pick 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.719 that goes in the top ten that maybe we're not 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:49.400 seeing a lot of mock drafts right now, a surprise 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:51.280 top ten pick, and then somebody that you think that 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.920 could sneak into Round one from the back end of 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:55.880 Round one that no one's talking about as a potential 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:56.520 Night one pick. 0:13:58.400 --> 0:13:58.600 Yeah. 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.560 So I actually tweeted this out probably about an hour ago. 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.600 Two names that I'm hearing constantly as late first round 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.360 picks that could be a surprise Steve Avila, the interior 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.319 offensive lineman of TCU. He's one that a lot of 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.959 teams like. And then the other is Julius Brince, the 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:16.959 cornerback from Kansas State. He's one that a lot of 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.760 people like to and I put this in our notebook 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.000 with me and Matt Miller today in that the NFL 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.640 is a copycat league. And we saw that the NFL 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:27.360 made a mistake with Tarik wooland letting him slip to 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.560 the fifth round, and a lot of teams see a 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:33.920 similar player in Tarike wooland with Julius Brince. So there's 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:35.320 going to be some team at the back end of 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:38.040 the first round, especially at a premium position, they could say, hey, 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:41.560 this guy could be similar to Tarik wooland very similar frame. No, 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:43.800 he didn't run a four to six, but as far 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.120 as the other measurables in the traits that he has, 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.200 it's very similar to Woland. So, like I said, it's 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.440 a copycat league, and the NFL doesn't like to make 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:52.760 those same mistakes twice. 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:55.280 So that's why I could see Brince being a late 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:55.960 first round pick. 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.360 I remember Kyle Krabs, our close friend, was texting me 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.040 at the Senior about Julius Brents and this guy is 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.640 a perfect fit for Miami. At pick fifty one, they 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:06.440 go out and get Galen Ramsey, which I think you 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:08.680 could probably talk about the similarities in their games as well. 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:11.160 With the length of the physicality there. So it's it's 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.720 I love when my draft guests come on here and 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:15.920 have similar praise for the same guys because it gives us, 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:19.480 I think, a real narrowed focus on the real value 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:21.880 in this draft. Speaking of value real quick, you mentioned 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:25.040 running back, tight end, cornerback. My question for you was, 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.560 which positions do you think produce the most bang for 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.080 a team's buck on Day two? Are those your three spots? 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.840 Uh? In this draft class? Yeah, I think that's where 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:35.400 you're going to get the most bang for your book. 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.120 I don't know if we're going to get a linebacker 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:38.720 in the first round. If I had to guess, if 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:41.520 one went, it would be Drew Sanders of Arkansas. He's 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:44.840 my top ranked linebacker, but late first round. That's probably 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.320 the earliest that he goes. The Bills at twenty seven 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:48.920 I think make a lot of sense as far as 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:50.520 the landing spot for him. 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:51.240 Running back. 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:53.120 I mean, like I said, those guys are going to 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:55.040 fly off of the board late Day two or mid 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.080 day two to early day three. 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:58.720 We're going to see a lot of those guys go 0:15:58.840 --> 0:15:59.520 off with the board. 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.640 So and then with corner those always go throughout the 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:04.960 draft and you know, you hear a lot of names 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:06.320 in the first round, but we're going to see a 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:08.960 lot of names going the second round too. Keiley Ringo, Georgia, 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:13.120 Darius Rush, South Carolina, DJ Turner Michigan. There's going to 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:14.560 be a lot of names that fly off of the 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:15.920 board in this cornerback group too. 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:18.800 Just a real quick follow up I had talked about 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.800 in a previous podcast, if Keigley Ringo had another year 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:23.720 of college tape that was really good, it could be 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:25.520 a potential top ten pick. Is that Do you think 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:25.920 that's true? 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:30.600 I wouldn't say top ten, but first round I definitely 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:34.560 agree with just because and with Keighley, He's a player 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.440 that I've been tracking over the past two years and 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:41.560 he's a very scheme specific player. So if he lands 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:43.080 in the right spot, I think he's going to be 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:45.240 a really good player. Like he has to be in 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.320 a zone scheme that forces him or that allows him 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:50.120 to keep his back to the sideline to where he 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.000 can play a lot of zone and cover three. So 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:55.920 if he goes to Seattle, San Francisco some teams like 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.560 that that play that heavy zone scheme that allow him 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:00.560 to just keep his back to the sideline and keep 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:01.560 his eyes on the quarterback. 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.280 I think he could be a really good starter for you. 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:05.879 But if he goes to a scheme that allows him 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:07.520 to play, it forces him to play a lot of 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:08.119 man coverage. 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:09.200 I don't think he's going. 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:10.719 To be very good in that, just because it's kind 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:12.600