WEBVTT - Movie Night 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:05.680 If you thought four hours a day, minutes a week 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.200 was enough, I think again. He's the last remnants of 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.880 the old republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He treats 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:15.760 crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the rich 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:19.799 pill poppers in the penthouse the clearing House of Hot 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:23.560 takes break free for something special. The Fifth Hour with 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:28.200 Ben Maller starts right now. That it does, and I 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:32.320 hope you're doing well and happy social distancing weekend which 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:35.200 is upon us as we present to you another edition 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:39.240 of The Fifth Hour with Ben Mallard. Bonus coverage during 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:42.400 the pandemic, and if this continues here, I guess we'll 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:46.040 just do three shows a week for forever. But four 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.600 hours not enough of the Overnight Show. We are proud 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:54.520 to be in the air everywhere throwing audio tantrums via 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:58.920 the vast power of the I Heart Podcasting Network, the 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:03.480 Global Reach Podcasting and this podcast is originally was heard 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:09.280 weekly and now it's heard every weekend, multiple days, Friday, 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:13.840 Saturday and Sunday. You get your podcast right here and 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:18.839 as always, for better or worse, I am joined by 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:28.039 the gascon Man, the gag on Man, David Gascon. We're man, 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:33.360 we're just loud, proud. I think about my friend uh 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.920 In in Cincinnati, Justin, the guy that sprays and praise 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:41.880 his uh his his viruses all over the place. But Ben, 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:45.480 we're we're rocking it here. From March to April, we're 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:50.320 up sixty eight percent. We are the hottest podcast within 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:53.800 the Fox Sports Radio umbrella right now. We're kicking and screaming. Well, 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:55.920 it's very nice that people are listening to the podcast. 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:58.480 Of course, we have done more podcasts. The numbers are 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.080 skewed quite a bit. We were doing one a week 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:03.240 and now we're doing three a week, so the numbers 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:06.840 have skyrocketed up, not to not to deflate the balloon, 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:11.840 of course, but fair In September, October, November, we were 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.639 doing Benny Versus the Penny as well. Yeah, that's sure. 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:18.560 We were doing multiple podcast then. And uh it's it's 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:24.720 awkward though, because people are listening more in part because 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:26.560 of what's going on. There's not a lot of new 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:29.520 content out there, so people are looking for anything, even 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:33.520 audio content that's brand new, and everyone's losing their marbles, 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:36.040 it seems like because what's going on, and so I 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:40.000 it's this is an awkward situation, but we'll we'll take 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:42.880 it um. Now. The real test is when things get 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.480 back to normal. If you knuckleheads still listen, that's the 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:48.440 real test. Uh. And we'll find out how how much 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:51.000 you like to show once things get back to normal. 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:53.000 I just had a thought in my head here you 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:57.280 mentioned Justin and Cincinnati that inspired me. I had an 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:59.800 epiphany the other day when I was walking to work. 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.840 As I walked to work down starting environment and I 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.440 was walking from my bedroom down the hallway, and then 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:07.760 I had to make a left turn into the studio 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:10.680 from my bedroom, and then I had to walk in 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.600 the studio, walk into the chair, I had to sit down, 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:15.920 I had to turn the computer on, turn on the 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:19.440 big radio box that I have here. But in that time, 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:22.760 the very short walk that I have to work, I thought, 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:26.160 you know, Justin has always been the biggest bad guy 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:30.400 on the Mallar Militia, the most negative guy. But I 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:33.960 I believe that Mr Nice Guy and Angry Bill are 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:37.920 giving him a run for his money, a legitimate run 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:44.360 for bragging rights in the entire cosmos of the Malla Militia, 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:48.480 for being the most negative person that contacts us during 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:51.080 the show. Well to be fair, though they're also divided 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:54.040 blue versus red, or in this case, two blues and 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:57.200 one red. Yeah, well that's true because you've got angry 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.040 Bill who calls up a couple of times a week 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.960 with his horseplay, who thinks these are end times, that 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:05.320 this is armageddon, it's some kind of biblical prophecy, and 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:08.160 we're all dead and life will never come back to normal. 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:11.680 And he's like the same mindset, Like there's certain guys 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:16.560 that just think that life will never ever change, that 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:19.680 whatever is going on right now is going to continue. 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.280 It's called being a prisoner of the moment. Gast go on, 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.799 that's the term. And these people and I have all people. 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.159 You know, we're both guest gone. You're similar to me 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:29.960 that you have a reputation of the business of being 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:33.479 very negative, that that you're you're looking at the bad 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:36.800 part of life. But in this case, I have somehow 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:41.360 morphed into Mr Positive, which is very uncomfortable for me. 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.080 And as I've said several times on the radio show, 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:46.120 I love the fact that people are getting very upset 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:49.520 when I say positive things. I haven't gone full Clay 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.920 Travis because Clay has taken at next level, but I 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:56.560 am optimistic. If people get upset, they get upset with me. 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.360 It's it's crazy. The thing is is that's lost in 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.680 a lot of people. As you have perspective and you 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.400 have experience. So when you talk about some of these 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.120 things that have gone on in life, you have the 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:10.840 advantage of having seen or heard or been in the 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:14.640 middle of certain situations. You have the opportunity to see 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:16.880 it from not only the entry but also the exit. 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.839 Or a lot of these people are only experienced in 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.720 these situations for the first time ever, or they were 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:26.880 just completely oblivious to things in the past. Well that's 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:30.480 true to a point. But Mr. Nice Guy and Angry 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:32.600 Bill or or they're they're older than me. They've been 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:35.440 around longer than I have. They've lived life, They've seen things. 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.000 I just remember back to I guess the comp for 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.960 this would be nine eleven, And I remember after nine eleven, 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:43.040 people are like, oh man, it's you know, we're gonna 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:46.640 be It's never gonna be the same, It's gonna be yeah, 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.120 you know, things A little things are different, like going 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.760 to the airport is much different than before nine eleven, 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:55.920 and there's more security at certain things. But relatively speaking, 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:59.000 things are pretty much the same as they were before. 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.600 There's a even more to mean this is but they're 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.240 they're mild inconvenience. But see, here's the thing that I 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.880 will agree with those guys on is a simple fact 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:10.960 that now you have companies that want to track you. 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:13.640 They want to put chips inside of you and track 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:16.800 you and find out like your status, find out if 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:19.880 you had contracted the coronavirus, if you are if you 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:23.560 are healthy, if you have recovered that. Those things I'm 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:26.160 not comfortable with at all. And now people are talking 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.400 more and more about five G and how that's coming 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:31.200 into you want to go full? You want to go 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:36.760 full Alex Jones like you want to go down that. Yeah, 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:38.600 but we have a lot of time, and so there's 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:43.080 things that do worry me. Thankfully here in California. And 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.000 I know this is not in allowed kind of way, 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:47.080 but there are a lot of people here in this state, 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:50.200 this great state then that are locked and loaded, which 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.360 is great because if ever they came a time or 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.840 they needed to push back in this republic, I'm fully 0:06:56.880 --> 0:07:01.280 confident that California would rise above the rest. Uh well 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:04.200 not you listen, there's there's many places that would rise 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.400 above me and I. I've talked about this on the podcast. 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:08.960 The last couple of weeks I go for a walks. 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:11.400 I haven't been for a walk this week because it's 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:13.080 been raining in l A. And I haven't been able 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:16.080 to get out of my house, which blows. But that's 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:19.000 a different problem. But every time I walked by, there 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.480 a couple of gun shots. I live in the interesting 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:22.960 part of town. I guess there's a couple of gun 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.160 shots here. And it's like the It's like the Okay 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:28.720 Corral out there, people just lining up to buy guns. 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:32.240 Every every time I've walked by these guns stores, it's 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:34.320 like the old west Man. People are loading up, trying 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.600 to get ready for whatever they think, uh is coming, 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.520 whatever they believe is coming there. And So now is 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.720 this a perfect and proper segue to what we're getting 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:47.320 into today? Uh? Yeah, I mean it could be. Uh 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:51.880 it is time for ready for it? Another Mound film 0:07:51.960 --> 0:08:01.160 review we uh So, I did some commercials for the 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:06.600 documentary The Scheme, which is currently broadcast on HBO that's 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:09.880 Home Box Office. I watched it on HBO's on demand 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:14.320 feature watched it a few days ago, and it is 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.240 about college basketball I loved it. We're gonna get into 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:21.000 some of the meat and potatoes of this. It follows 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:26.440 around this guy named Christian Dawkins who was in the 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.560 fifth grade. This guy was in the fifth grade. He 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:34.199 read some book from Dan Wetzel about college basketball and 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:40.040 corporate money and corruption of young people. And that book 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.720 resonated so much. You know, he's in that golden era 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.360 of your life where you read something and that just 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:50.280 translates your life, you have an epiphany. And he decided 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.720 right then that he wanted to get into becoming a 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:57.520 basketball kind of agent, that kind of guy. And that's 0:08:57.520 --> 0:08:59.520 how the story starts, and it ends up with the 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:01.960 fbo I being involved. We'll get into some of it 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.240 before we give the Mallard film review. Now, normally you 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.200 would wait till the end to say what the grade 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.480 is of the podcast, you know, on the podcast, but um, 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:15.000 I'm gonna actually give my my number grade one to 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:21.000 ten with ten being mcmillions. I enjoyed Tiger King guest 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:24.400 Guns to Elite is to watch Tiger King's two above that. 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:30.200 But I I eat give the scheme on HBO. I'm 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.600 giving in an aid out of ten on the Mallard 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:36.199 scale of documentary. Now, it's not as good as mcmillions 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:39.280 and some of the other stuff. It is obviously one side. 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.720 It's that's the one thing we didn't hear from the 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:46.000 other side. Um. There the reasons for that. We'll get 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:47.920 into and we talk about the podcast, but I give 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:49.760 it an aid out of ten, and I guess you 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:53.160 watched it. What is the guestscon score. I'm gonna give 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:55.080 it a little bit lower. I'm gonna give it a six. 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:57.800 There was a lot of things they felt that were 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:01.040 left out. And I also think that it really came 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:04.120 flat towards the end when when we were waiting for 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:07.439 that build up, it just never came. And I thought 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.640 the way that it intro it was fantastic. But as 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:14.280 we'll get into, I just thought the ending just it 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.280 left me wanting a lot more. And I just thought, 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.480 be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Meller 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:24.080 Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific on 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:27.600 Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. All right, well, 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:29.720 let's get into it. So for those that do not 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:31.880 know the story, we talked about this on the radio. 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.079 It was a big story in sports media. The FBI 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:39.360 was bringing down college sports. The jig was up right, 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:42.599 all the debate and bickering that we've had over the 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:46.480 years about student athletes, and uh, it turns out that 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:49.600 these guys, many of the top basketball players, and let's 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.520 be honest, football players, have been getting money under the 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:57.040 table forever and as long as you can remember. And 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:01.760 so it's technically illegal to do some of that stuff, 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.840 depending on how you do it. And so this scandal 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:09.200 was supposed to bring down college basketball and it began 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:14.760 with Christian Dawkins. The FBI UH investigated this. They had 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:20.080 wire taps, they were listening into dawkins phone conversations. And 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:24.440 this was supposed to be a pioneering corruption scandal and 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:27.040 as guests gone referred to at the end, it fizzled out. 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:31.120 But it did bring down a bunch of assistant coaches 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:37.120 and low level players in this. And so Dawkins, the guy, 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:40.160 Christian Dawkins, who was the star of the documentary and 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:44.240 the star of the story, Uh, he had a sports agency. 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:47.120 Well he started out in the fifth grade. He was 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:48.880 like that, I guess we should start with that because 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:50.880 this guy was a hustler. Some of the highlights of 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:54.360 this thing. I love people that just kind of go 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:56.800 for it and you don't need a formal education. You 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:58.200 just know what you want to do when you go 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:02.600 for it. Christian Dawkins came from a Michigan family that 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.040 had been very successful in basketball locally at the high 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:09.480 school level. He started his own high school basketball scouting 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:13.199 publication when he was eleven years old. Guest, because how 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:17.000 great is that this church hustling? I love it? Coaches 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.600 six hundred dollars for a subscription. That was fantastic. Forty 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.880 year old coaches are paying eleven year old all this 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.600 money for a subscription. How great is that he was making? 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.640 He was making buco bucks. I thought. The best thing 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.040 that he did with that publication. Two is he actually 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:35.880 ranked himself numerous times, which is what you must do 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.040 when you're eleven years old, right, I mean, why why 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:43.040 would you do something like that? Uh, if you're eleven, 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:46.160 you gotta rank yourself, all right. He also a little 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:50.840 bit after that he organized his own traveling team. Um, 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.400 and he did that he was he was in high school, 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:56.000 and he put his own tournament. He had an entire 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.280 fucking tournament that this kid put together while he was 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.400 in high school. Like, what do you call what's the 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.680 Dorian's cause. I thing it was Dorian's cause whatever, But 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:07.520 that was based on his brother that passed away from 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.720 a from a heart attack at the age of fourteen. Yeah, 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:13.600 that was sad. He he died during a game when 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:15.320 he told his brother point Blake when it was at 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:18.120 the free throw line, I feel tired, and he collapsed 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.640 on the court and they tried resuscitating him and then 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:22.480 they couldn't do So, Yeah, that was sad. His parents 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:24.200 weren't there. They were at a wedding or something like that, 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.400 so it was sad. So but this guy, Christian Doctors, 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:31.400 he didn't attend college. He ends up working because he 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.719 had some connections already from his tournament and stuff. He 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.840 starts working for this agent, Andy Miller, who was featured 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:41.120 quite a bit in the documentary. He then ends up 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:46.720 successfully and he's still not even you know, not even 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:52.079 like twenty years old. He starts recruiting current NBA players 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.240 are that are now in the NBA before they were 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:59.400 in the NBA, and he signed Alfred Payton who's had 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:03.120 a decent NBA crew, Rodney Hood who's played in the NBA. 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.160 That was the there was like the first two guys 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:11.160 he signed NBA players um Fred Vanvlee. They they interviewed 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:14.080 Fred Vanvley to the Raptors. He was they interviewed him 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:18.839 in this So the guy was very good. Christian Dawkins. Uh, 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:21.600 I don't know how would you say he's the gift 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:23.760 for gab. I guess would be one way to look 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.200 at it. I think two things. One is he he's 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:29.600 relatable and some of the players even said at point blank, 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:32.040 it's a skin color. He said a lot of the 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:35.280 guys that came into those rooms, if they weren't black, 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.600 they weren't dealing with them. And I think Van Fleet 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:40.600 was one of the guys who actually talked about Miller 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.040 and he said, yeah, he did all the legal stuff, 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:46.000 but it was Dawkins who handled everything prior to that, 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.920 and he's the one that crafted the relationship. He wouldn't 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:52.240 have done business with Lee had it not been for Dawkins. Yeah, 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:54.720 so race was a part of this, but Dawkins also 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:58.160 seemed like we've all known people like this, whether they're black, white, 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:00.680 or whatever, who are just great each man, you know, 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.320 and they just able to they got diarrhea of the mouth, 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.400 and they're sweet talkers and he's got that going on. 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:08.240 But see, here's the thing. This goes all the way 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.240 back to what you mentioned with how he started his publication. 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:13.880 Was this kid was all over the place. He was 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:16.440 going to all these games, he was going to these practices, 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.440 so he was in sight and in mind, like he 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:22.240 was around these guys all the bleep in time. And 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.760 so when you're around like that and you have people 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:26.680 buttering you up and then all of a sudden writing 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:30.080 about you in publications and getting all that juice from 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:33.240 these coaches and then adds your credibility, and then you 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:36.800 can show that to these prospective young student athletes that 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.480 are hoping to go to the D one level. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:41.360 for sure. I mean it was very interesting to see 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:44.000 how this works. Like I've known some of these people 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.360 over my years being around when I used to go 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:48.760 to NBA games all the time, and these guys would 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:50.920 hang out at the NBA games also, so I've I've 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:52.920 known a few of them, but I didn't really know 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:55.480 like the meat and potatoes of what it was. Like. 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:58.160 I had some ideas and this, you know, this is 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.400 his story, so it's probably I'm not the same for everybody. 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:03.520 But it's Christian Dawkins story, which is I would think 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:05.160 similar to a lot of what goes on. And then 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.160 we had our first scandal in this documentary, which was 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:11.840 a reverence and I vaguely remember using this as a 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:15.600 tease on the radio, and I don't even remember doing 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:17.800 a monologue about it, but it was known as uber 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:23.120 Gate and Christiandwkins. That was a scandal involving him a 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:28.160 couple of years back in seventeen and he lost his job. 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:29.880 There was a big headline that was all over the 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:34.200 internet at the time saying that an NBA they called 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:36.440 him an agent, right, and they said he had stolen 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:39.320 forty thou dollars in uber rides or something like that 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.000 he had charged them to I think it was Alfred 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:45.240 Payton's credit card. Yes, But here's the weird thing about this, 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:47.960 as you know this, when you have a company website, 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.160 if you go to any law firm or any kind 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:55.200 of PR firm, and you have entities that are involved, 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:59.280 and you have employees, usually gonna have the managing partner, 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.320 You're gonna have the founder of the CEO, of the president, 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:04.159 and they're gonna have all the underlings as well, and 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:07.840 you'll have names and titles and probably a bioattached, right, 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:10.760 But Dawkins didn't have any of that. He was on 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:14.040 the company website, but just his name. There was no 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:17.439 title underneath it, no bio, nothing of that. So he 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.239 was they had guys in there that classified him as 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:24.159 like a quote unquote runner and yeah, yeah, which is 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.760 like it's like when you get into the movie business. 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:30.440 You know, you're you're hanging out bringing food and going 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:32.960 to the store, and you're you're helping out the people 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:35.680 on the set, but you're not really like you don't 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:40.320 have a defined role, right as I understand what your 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:42.080 worked in the movies, but as when I understand the 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:45.280 pas are like that too a lot. Yeah, yeah, we 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:47.119 used to have interns, and I'm not allowed to have 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:50.280 interns anymore, guests on it at our job, but years 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:52.800 ago I had interns with some of them very successful interns. 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:54.520 By the way, You've gone on and on great things, 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.600 but I I'm no longer allowed to teach the younger generation. 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:00.480 There's a reason for that, alright, us are you you're 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:03.160 making that up? That's a lie. Back to the documentary, 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.640 this guy Christian Dawkins were talking about it's pretty much 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:08.679 all about him and his buddy, and they were the 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:13.360 main players that were interviewed in this. So the let's 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.520 get to the meat and potatoes here. So Dawkins claimed 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:19.840 he did not want to bring in college coaches like that. 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:25.400 The FBI's intent was clear that they wanted to bring 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:29.399 down the big name coaches, and so Christian Dawkins, at 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:33.040 least that's the way the documentary presented. So Dawkins joined 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:38.400 some investors, this guy Jeff de'angelo and his partner Jill Bailey, 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.159 a couple of good names there. Turns out they were 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:45.040 the undercover FBI agents who were part of this. And 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:49.080 then they had the financial advisor Munish sod is that 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:52.400 his name? To get that right? I got that right? Um, 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:54.560 And he was like the money guy. He was worked 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.080 at a bank and he had connections to the cash 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:59.680 and all that. Yeah, he was a financial advisor and 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:03.720 yeah so um so he he I guess that he's 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:07.600 the guy. Eventually later on he gave funds to Mark 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:13.160 ll Folts, Kyle Kuzma's agent, some other people uh as well. 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:18.639 But in the documentary, Dawkins talks about how the guy 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:21.919 who was the FBI agent. D'Angelo was the one who 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:26.840 was pushing to pay college coaches in order to steer 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:31.359 players to sign with their company, and the way it 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:33.240 was presenting the documentary was that he didn't want to 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:36.080 do it, and Dawkins made a compelling argument. What I 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:39.400 felt was a compelling argument. Obviously, he's biased, he's he's 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.120 part of this, but his argument was he knew how 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.879 the game was played guess gun, and the way the 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:49.240 game was played was not involved the college coaches. That instead, 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:53.880 it's just a transaction between the families and the players. 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:57.360 The coaches are aware of it, and the coaches might 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:01.439 set it up, but ultimately it it's a relationship between 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:06.639 an agency and the player, which makes sense logically because 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:10.080 ultimately that player is going to leave college, whether they 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.600 go to Louisville, North Carolina, u C, l A, Duke, 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:17.919 or wherever, and they're not gonna have a relationship with 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:20.400 that school most likely other than just when they get 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:23.280 introduced in an NBA game they say their name that 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:26.280 they went to Duke or uh, you know, Oregon or 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:29.920 Washington or Minnesota or something like that. But they want 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:32.720 that guy's a client, so that personal relationship. But they 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.720 would think that they're they're gambling that would carry over 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:37.320 to when they get to the NBA and make the 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:39.879 real money. And that's where I was confused on all 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:42.880 this is because if they wanted to uproot the scandal 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:46.959 that was in college basketball, I mean making that linear 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:51.879 connection from from a broker to a player with a 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.400 coach as they I don't want to say in between them, 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:57.359 but just as that kind of conduit. I don't know. 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:00.200 I don't understand why his motive would be like at 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:03.200 and Dawkins was sniffing that thing out, which is intense. 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:05.719 And there was at one point where he actually had 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:08.120 a friend in the d a's office that was connected 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:12.159 to the FBI and they ran a background check on D'Angelo. 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:16.520 So it wasn't like he didn't trust what was going on, 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:19.240 but he knew that something just wasn't adding up. Be 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:21.720 sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller Show 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:25.440 weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific. Yeah. Yeah, 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:27.920 I mean it was. It was one of those things. 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:30.360 The way it was presented was like, hey, he this guy, 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.280 Christian Dawkins knew how the game was played. He knew 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:35.280 that here's what you do you find the player, you 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:37.440 pay off the family, do what you gotta do. You 0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:40.040 got the player. But this guy the FBI agents, so 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:41.640 like when we gotta bring the coaches down, and so 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:45.480 Dawkins ultimate is like to appease them because he wanted 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:48.320 their money and he thought he didn't realize their FBI 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:50.119 agents they were just And that's the other thing. The 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:52.800 FBI spent how much money they were just handing money 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:56.560