1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: If you thought four hours a day, minutes a week 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: was enough, I think again. He's the last remnants of 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: the old republic, a sole fashion of fairness. He treats 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the rich 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: pill poppers in the penthouse the clearing House of Hot 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: takes break free for something special. The Fifth Hour with 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: Ben Maller starts right now. That it does, and I 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: hope you're doing well and happy social distancing weekend which 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: is upon us as we present to you another edition 10 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: of The Fifth Hour with Ben Mallard. Bonus coverage during 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: the pandemic, and if this continues here, I guess we'll 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: just do three shows a week for forever. But four 13 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: hours not enough of the Overnight Show. We are proud 14 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: to be in the air everywhere throwing audio tantrums via 15 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: the vast power of the I Heart Podcasting Network, the 16 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: Global Reach Podcasting and this podcast is originally was heard 17 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: weekly and now it's heard every weekend, multiple days, Friday, 18 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: Saturday and Sunday. You get your podcast right here and 19 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 1: as always, for better or worse, I am joined by 20 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: the gascon Man, the gag on Man, David Gascon. We're man, 21 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: we're just loud, proud. I think about my friend uh 22 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: In in Cincinnati, Justin, the guy that sprays and praise 23 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: his uh his his viruses all over the place. But Ben, 24 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: we're we're rocking it here. From March to April, we're 25 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: up sixty eight percent. We are the hottest podcast within 26 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: the Fox Sports Radio umbrella right now. We're kicking and screaming. Well, 27 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: it's very nice that people are listening to the podcast. 28 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: Of course, we have done more podcasts. The numbers are 29 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: skewed quite a bit. We were doing one a week 30 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: and now we're doing three a week, so the numbers 31 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: have skyrocketed up, not to not to deflate the balloon, 32 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: of course, but fair In September, October, November, we were 33 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: doing Benny Versus the Penny as well. Yeah, that's sure. 34 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: We were doing multiple podcast then. And uh it's it's 35 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: awkward though, because people are listening more in part because 36 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: of what's going on. There's not a lot of new 37 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: content out there, so people are looking for anything, even 38 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: audio content that's brand new, and everyone's losing their marbles, 39 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: it seems like because what's going on, and so I 40 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: it's this is an awkward situation, but we'll we'll take 41 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: it um. Now. The real test is when things get 42 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: back to normal. If you knuckleheads still listen, that's the 43 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: real test. Uh. And we'll find out how how much 44 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: you like to show once things get back to normal. 45 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: I just had a thought in my head here you 46 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: mentioned Justin and Cincinnati that inspired me. I had an 47 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: epiphany the other day when I was walking to work. 48 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: As I walked to work down starting environment and I 49 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: was walking from my bedroom down the hallway, and then 50 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: I had to make a left turn into the studio 51 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: from my bedroom, and then I had to walk in 52 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: the studio, walk into the chair, I had to sit down, 53 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: I had to turn the computer on, turn on the 54 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: big radio box that I have here. But in that time, 55 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: the very short walk that I have to work, I thought, 56 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: you know, Justin has always been the biggest bad guy 57 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: on the Mallar Militia, the most negative guy. But I 58 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: I believe that Mr Nice Guy and Angry Bill are 59 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: giving him a run for his money, a legitimate run 60 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: for bragging rights in the entire cosmos of the Malla Militia, 61 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: for being the most negative person that contacts us during 62 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: the show. Well to be fair, though they're also divided 63 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: blue versus red, or in this case, two blues and 64 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: one red. Yeah, well that's true because you've got angry 65 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: Bill who calls up a couple of times a week 66 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: with his horseplay, who thinks these are end times, that 67 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: this is armageddon, it's some kind of biblical prophecy, and 68 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: we're all dead and life will never come back to normal. 69 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: And he's like the same mindset, Like there's certain guys 70 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: that just think that life will never ever change, that 71 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: whatever is going on right now is going to continue. 72 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: It's called being a prisoner of the moment. Gast go on, 73 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 1: that's the term. And these people and I have all people. 74 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: You know, we're both guest gone. You're similar to me 75 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: that you have a reputation of the business of being 76 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: very negative, that that you're you're looking at the bad 77 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: part of life. But in this case, I have somehow 78 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: morphed into Mr Positive, which is very uncomfortable for me. 79 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: And as I've said several times on the radio show, 80 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: I love the fact that people are getting very upset 81 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: when I say positive things. I haven't gone full Clay 82 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: Travis because Clay has taken at next level, but I 83 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: am optimistic. If people get upset, they get upset with me. 84 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: It's it's crazy. The thing is is that's lost in 85 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: a lot of people. As you have perspective and you 86 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: have experience. So when you talk about some of these 87 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: things that have gone on in life, you have the 88 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: advantage of having seen or heard or been in the 89 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: middle of certain situations. You have the opportunity to see 90 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: it from not only the entry but also the exit. 91 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: Or a lot of these people are only experienced in 92 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: these situations for the first time ever, or they were 93 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: just completely oblivious to things in the past. Well that's 94 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: true to a point. But Mr. Nice Guy and Angry 95 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: Bill or or they're they're older than me. They've been 96 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: around longer than I have. They've lived life, They've seen things. 97 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: I just remember back to I guess the comp for 98 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: this would be nine eleven, And I remember after nine eleven, 99 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: people are like, oh man, it's you know, we're gonna 100 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: be It's never gonna be the same, It's gonna be yeah, 101 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: you know, things A little things are different, like going 102 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: to the airport is much different than before nine eleven, 103 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: and there's more security at certain things. But relatively speaking, 104 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: things are pretty much the same as they were before. 105 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: There's a even more to mean this is but they're 106 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: they're mild inconvenience. But see, here's the thing that I 107 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: will agree with those guys on is a simple fact 108 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: that now you have companies that want to track you. 109 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: They want to put chips inside of you and track 110 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: you and find out like your status, find out if 111 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: you had contracted the coronavirus, if you are if you 112 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: are healthy, if you have recovered that. Those things I'm 113 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: not comfortable with at all. And now people are talking 114 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: more and more about five G and how that's coming 115 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: into you want to go full? You want to go 116 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: full Alex Jones like you want to go down that. Yeah, 117 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: but we have a lot of time, and so there's 118 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: things that do worry me. Thankfully here in California. And 119 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: I know this is not in allowed kind of way, 120 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: but there are a lot of people here in this state, 121 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: this great state then that are locked and loaded, which 122 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: is great because if ever they came a time or 123 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: they needed to push back in this republic, I'm fully 124 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: confident that California would rise above the rest. Uh well 125 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: not you listen, there's there's many places that would rise 126 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: above me and I. I've talked about this on the podcast. 127 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: The last couple of weeks I go for a walks. 128 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: I haven't been for a walk this week because it's 129 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: been raining in l A. And I haven't been able 130 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: to get out of my house, which blows. But that's 131 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: a different problem. But every time I walked by, there 132 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: a couple of gun shots. I live in the interesting 133 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: part of town. I guess there's a couple of gun 134 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: shots here. And it's like the It's like the Okay 135 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: Corral out there, people just lining up to buy guns. 136 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: Every every time I've walked by these guns stores, it's 137 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: like the old west Man. People are loading up, trying 138 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: to get ready for whatever they think, uh is coming, 139 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: whatever they believe is coming there. And So now is 140 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: this a perfect and proper segue to what we're getting 141 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: into today? Uh? Yeah, I mean it could be. Uh 142 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: it is time for ready for it? Another Mound film 143 00:07:51,960 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: review we uh So, I did some commercials for the 144 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: documentary The Scheme, which is currently broadcast on HBO that's 145 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: Home Box Office. I watched it on HBO's on demand 146 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: feature watched it a few days ago, and it is 147 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: about college basketball I loved it. We're gonna get into 148 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: some of the meat and potatoes of this. It follows 149 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: around this guy named Christian Dawkins who was in the 150 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: fifth grade. This guy was in the fifth grade. He 151 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: read some book from Dan Wetzel about college basketball and 152 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: corporate money and corruption of young people. And that book 153 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: resonated so much. You know, he's in that golden era 154 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: of your life where you read something and that just 155 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: translates your life, you have an epiphany. And he decided 156 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: right then that he wanted to get into becoming a 157 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: basketball kind of agent, that kind of guy. And that's 158 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: how the story starts, and it ends up with the 159 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: fbo I being involved. We'll get into some of it 160 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: before we give the Mallard film review. Now, normally you 161 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: would wait till the end to say what the grade 162 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: is of the podcast, you know, on the podcast, but um, 163 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna actually give my my number grade one to 164 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: ten with ten being mcmillions. I enjoyed Tiger King guest 165 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: Guns to Elite is to watch Tiger King's two above that. 166 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: But I I eat give the scheme on HBO. I'm 167 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: giving in an aid out of ten on the Mallard 168 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 1: scale of documentary. Now, it's not as good as mcmillions 169 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: and some of the other stuff. It is obviously one side. 170 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: It's that's the one thing we didn't hear from the 171 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: other side. Um. There the reasons for that. We'll get 172 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: into and we talk about the podcast, but I give 173 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: it an aid out of ten, and I guess you 174 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: watched it. What is the guestscon score. I'm gonna give 175 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: it a little bit lower. I'm gonna give it a six. 176 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: There was a lot of things they felt that were 177 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: left out. And I also think that it really came 178 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: flat towards the end when when we were waiting for 179 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: that build up, it just never came. And I thought 180 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: the way that it intro it was fantastic. But as 181 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: we'll get into, I just thought the ending just it 182 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: left me wanting a lot more. And I just thought, 183 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Meller 184 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific on 185 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. All right, well, 186 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: let's get into it. So for those that do not 187 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: know the story, we talked about this on the radio. 188 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: It was a big story in sports media. The FBI 189 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: was bringing down college sports. The jig was up right, 190 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,599 Speaker 1: all the debate and bickering that we've had over the 191 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: years about student athletes, and uh, it turns out that 192 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: these guys, many of the top basketball players, and let's 193 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: be honest, football players, have been getting money under the 194 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: table forever and as long as you can remember. And 195 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: so it's technically illegal to do some of that stuff, 196 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: depending on how you do it. And so this scandal 197 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: was supposed to bring down college basketball and it began 198 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: with Christian Dawkins. The FBI UH investigated this. They had 199 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: wire taps, they were listening into dawkins phone conversations. And 200 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: this was supposed to be a pioneering corruption scandal and 201 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: as guests gone referred to at the end, it fizzled out. 202 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: But it did bring down a bunch of assistant coaches 203 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: and low level players in this. And so Dawkins, the guy, 204 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: Christian Dawkins, who was the star of the documentary and 205 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: the star of the story, Uh, he had a sports agency. 206 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: Well he started out in the fifth grade. He was 207 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: like that, I guess we should start with that because 208 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: this guy was a hustler. Some of the highlights of 209 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: this thing. I love people that just kind of go 210 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: for it and you don't need a formal education. You 211 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: just know what you want to do when you go 212 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: for it. Christian Dawkins came from a Michigan family that 213 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: had been very successful in basketball locally at the high 214 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: school level. He started his own high school basketball scouting 215 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 1: publication when he was eleven years old. Guest, because how 216 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: great is that this church hustling? I love it? Coaches 217 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: six hundred dollars for a subscription. That was fantastic. Forty 218 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: year old coaches are paying eleven year old all this 219 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: money for a subscription. How great is that he was making? 220 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: He was making buco bucks. I thought. The best thing 221 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: that he did with that publication. Two is he actually 222 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: ranked himself numerous times, which is what you must do 223 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: when you're eleven years old, right, I mean, why why 224 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: would you do something like that? Uh, if you're eleven, 225 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: you gotta rank yourself, all right. He also a little 226 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: bit after that he organized his own traveling team. Um, 227 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: and he did that he was he was in high school, 228 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: and he put his own tournament. He had an entire 229 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: fucking tournament that this kid put together while he was 230 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: in high school. Like, what do you call what's the 231 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: Dorian's cause. I thing it was Dorian's cause whatever, But 232 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: that was based on his brother that passed away from 233 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: a from a heart attack at the age of fourteen. Yeah, 234 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: that was sad. He he died during a game when 235 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: he told his brother point Blake when it was at 236 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: the free throw line, I feel tired, and he collapsed 237 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: on the court and they tried resuscitating him and then 238 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: they couldn't do So, Yeah, that was sad. His parents 239 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: weren't there. They were at a wedding or something like that, 240 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: so it was sad. So but this guy, Christian Doctors, 241 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: he didn't attend college. He ends up working because he 242 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 1: had some connections already from his tournament and stuff. He 243 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: starts working for this agent, Andy Miller, who was featured 244 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: quite a bit in the documentary. He then ends up 245 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: successfully and he's still not even you know, not even 246 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: like twenty years old. He starts recruiting current NBA players 247 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: are that are now in the NBA before they were 248 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: in the NBA, and he signed Alfred Payton who's had 249 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: a decent NBA crew, Rodney Hood who's played in the NBA. 250 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: That was the there was like the first two guys 251 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: he signed NBA players um Fred Vanvlee. They they interviewed 252 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: Fred Vanvley to the Raptors. He was they interviewed him 253 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 1: in this So the guy was very good. Christian Dawkins. Uh, 254 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: I don't know how would you say he's the gift 255 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: for gab. I guess would be one way to look 256 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: at it. I think two things. One is he he's 257 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: relatable and some of the players even said at point blank, 258 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: it's a skin color. He said a lot of the 259 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: guys that came into those rooms, if they weren't black, 260 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: they weren't dealing with them. And I think Van Fleet 261 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: was one of the guys who actually talked about Miller 262 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, he did all the legal stuff, 263 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: but it was Dawkins who handled everything prior to that, 264 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: and he's the one that crafted the relationship. He wouldn't 265 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: have done business with Lee had it not been for Dawkins. Yeah, 266 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: so race was a part of this, but Dawkins also 267 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: seemed like we've all known people like this, whether they're black, white, 268 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: or whatever, who are just great each man, you know, 269 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: and they just able to they got diarrhea of the mouth, 270 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: and they're sweet talkers and he's got that going on. 271 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: But see, here's the thing. This goes all the way 272 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: back to what you mentioned with how he started his publication. 273 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: Was this kid was all over the place. He was 274 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: going to all these games, he was going to these practices, 275 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: so he was in sight and in mind, like he 276 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: was around these guys all the bleep in time. And 277 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: so when you're around like that and you have people 278 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: buttering you up and then all of a sudden writing 279 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: about you in publications and getting all that juice from 280 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: these coaches and then adds your credibility, and then you 281 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: can show that to these prospective young student athletes that 282 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: are hoping to go to the D one level. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 283 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: for sure. I mean it was very interesting to see 284 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: how this works. Like I've known some of these people 285 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: over my years being around when I used to go 286 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: to NBA games all the time, and these guys would 287 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: hang out at the NBA games also, so I've I've 288 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: known a few of them, but I didn't really know 289 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: like the meat and potatoes of what it was. Like. 290 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: I had some ideas and this, you know, this is 291 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: his story, so it's probably I'm not the same for everybody. 292 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: But it's Christian Dawkins story, which is I would think 293 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: similar to a lot of what goes on. And then 294 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: we had our first scandal in this documentary, which was 295 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: a reverence and I vaguely remember using this as a 296 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: tease on the radio, and I don't even remember doing 297 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: a monologue about it, but it was known as uber 298 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: Gate and Christiandwkins. That was a scandal involving him a 299 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: couple of years back in seventeen and he lost his job. 300 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: There was a big headline that was all over the 301 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: internet at the time saying that an NBA they called 302 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: him an agent, right, and they said he had stolen 303 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: forty thou dollars in uber rides or something like that 304 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: he had charged them to I think it was Alfred 305 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: Payton's credit card. Yes, But here's the weird thing about this, 306 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: as you know this, when you have a company website, 307 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: if you go to any law firm or any kind 308 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: of PR firm, and you have entities that are involved, 309 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: and you have employees, usually gonna have the managing partner, 310 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: You're gonna have the founder of the CEO, of the president, 311 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: and they're gonna have all the underlings as well, and 312 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: you'll have names and titles and probably a bioattached, right, 313 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: But Dawkins didn't have any of that. He was on 314 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: the company website, but just his name. There was no 315 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: title underneath it, no bio, nothing of that. So he 316 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,239 Speaker 1: was they had guys in there that classified him as 317 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: like a quote unquote runner and yeah, yeah, which is 318 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: like it's like when you get into the movie business. 319 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: You know, you're you're hanging out bringing food and going 320 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: to the store, and you're you're helping out the people 321 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: on the set, but you're not really like you don't 322 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: have a defined role, right as I understand what your 323 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: worked in the movies, but as when I understand the 324 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: pas are like that too a lot. Yeah, yeah, we 325 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: used to have interns, and I'm not allowed to have 326 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: interns anymore, guests on it at our job, but years 327 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: ago I had interns with some of them very successful interns. 328 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: By the way, You've gone on and on great things, 329 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: but I I'm no longer allowed to teach the younger generation. 330 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: There's a reason for that, alright, us are you you're 331 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: making that up? That's a lie. Back to the documentary, 332 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: this guy Christian Dawkins were talking about it's pretty much 333 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: all about him and his buddy, and they were the 334 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: main players that were interviewed in this. So the let's 335 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: get to the meat and potatoes here. So Dawkins claimed 336 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: he did not want to bring in college coaches like that. 337 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: The FBI's intent was clear that they wanted to bring 338 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: down the big name coaches, and so Christian Dawkins, at 339 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: least that's the way the documentary presented. So Dawkins joined 340 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: some investors, this guy Jeff de'angelo and his partner Jill Bailey, 341 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: a couple of good names there. Turns out they were 342 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: the undercover FBI agents who were part of this. And 343 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: then they had the financial advisor Munish sod is that 344 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: his name? To get that right? I got that right? Um, 345 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: And he was like the money guy. He was worked 346 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: at a bank and he had connections to the cash 347 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: and all that. Yeah, he was a financial advisor and 348 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: yeah so um so he he I guess that he's 349 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: the guy. Eventually later on he gave funds to Mark 350 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: ll Folts, Kyle Kuzma's agent, some other people uh as well. 351 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: But in the documentary, Dawkins talks about how the guy 352 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: who was the FBI agent. D'Angelo was the one who 353 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: was pushing to pay college coaches in order to steer 354 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: players to sign with their company, and the way it 355 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: was presenting the documentary was that he didn't want to 356 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: do it, and Dawkins made a compelling argument. What I 357 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: felt was a compelling argument. Obviously, he's biased, he's he's 358 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: part of this, but his argument was he knew how 359 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: the game was played guess gun, and the way the 360 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: game was played was not involved the college coaches. That instead, 361 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 1: it's just a transaction between the families and the players. 362 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 1: The coaches are aware of it, and the coaches might 363 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: set it up, but ultimately it it's a relationship between 364 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: an agency and the player, which makes sense logically because 365 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: ultimately that player is going to leave college, whether they 366 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: go to Louisville, North Carolina, u C, l A, Duke, 367 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: or wherever, and they're not gonna have a relationship with 368 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: that school most likely other than just when they get 369 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: introduced in an NBA game they say their name that 370 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: they went to Duke or uh, you know, Oregon or 371 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: Washington or Minnesota or something like that. But they want 372 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: that guy's a client, so that personal relationship. But they 373 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: would think that they're they're gambling that would carry over 374 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: to when they get to the NBA and make the 375 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: real money. And that's where I was confused on all 376 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: this is because if they wanted to uproot the scandal 377 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,959 Speaker 1: that was in college basketball, I mean making that linear 378 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: connection from from a broker to a player with a 379 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: coach as they I don't want to say in between them, 380 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: but just as that kind of conduit. I don't know. 381 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: I don't understand why his motive would be like at 382 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: and Dawkins was sniffing that thing out, which is intense. 383 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,719 Speaker 1: And there was at one point where he actually had 384 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 1: a friend in the d a's office that was connected 385 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: to the FBI and they ran a background check on D'Angelo. 386 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: So it wasn't like he didn't trust what was going on, 387 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: but he knew that something just wasn't adding up. Be 388 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: sure to catch live editions of The Ben Maller Show 389 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific. Yeah. Yeah, 390 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: I mean it was. It was one of those things. 391 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 1: The way it was presented was like, hey, he this guy, 392 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: Christian Dawkins knew how the game was played. He knew 393 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: that here's what you do you find the player, you 394 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: pay off the family, do what you gotta do. You 395 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: got the player. But this guy the FBI agents, so 396 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 1: like when we gotta bring the coaches down, and so 397 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: Dawkins ultimate is like to appease them because he wanted 398 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: their money and he thought he didn't realize their FBI 399 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: agents they were just And that's the other thing. The 400 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: FBI spent how much money they were just handing money 401 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: six figures. Yeah. The most yeah, the most alarming thing 402 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 1: was the fact that these guys took money from federal 403 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: agents are taxpayers money, and they spent a boatload of 404 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: it on an actual yacht and in Vegas, gambling, going 405 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: to strip clubs, you know, drinking, parting the whole fucking 406 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: nine yards. And I'm like, this is absolutely bogus how 407 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: this all went down. And later on not don't bear 408 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: the lead, my mind, it's not really the lead. Um. 409 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: Later on they determined that this guy, Jeff d'antel, who left, 410 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: he had been one of the big players in this 411 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: as an FBI agent, and then he vanished. They said 412 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: he had a sick relative in Italy. But it turns 413 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 1: out that he had been spending some of that FBI 414 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: our money in Vegas. Apparently he was having a grand 415 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: old time gambling and boozing and debauchery there in Vegas, 416 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: misappropriation of government funds as they would call it. Ben Mallory. 417 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: Now see, I was asking the chief about this, and 418 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: I think you guys should chat about this a little 419 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: bit longer too. But part of this goes to his 420 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: argument about entrapment. And you've seen that movie Inception, right 421 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: with Leonardo DiCaprio and uh he was in with Michael 422 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: Caine and a couple other creatures. No, yes, I did not. 423 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: I have not seen. Man, I watch it this weekend. 424 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: You want me to watch it this week Well, I 425 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: want you to watch The Wire first of all. But 426 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: if you're not, watch the Wire. But okay, I know 427 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: about in Trapping. We've seen enough in Trapping Christies. So 428 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan was the director behind Inception. But it's a 429 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: fantastic movie. But my dad's talking about and how you 430 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: can't provoke. You can't be used as a government agent 431 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: to provide that kind of idea. You can't plant that 432 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: inside someone's mind that hey, you should be doing this 433 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: to pay off these people to do that. And so 434 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: that's why you're not allowed to your dad, who for 435 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: those that don't know, guest gun dad was like the 436 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: big he's the boss. He was the boss of the 437 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: L A p. D. He knows the chief, so he 438 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: knows everything there. Um so okay, so yeah, so you 439 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: can't lead a horse to water. You have the horse 440 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: has to lead you to water. Right is that the argument? Okay? Um? 441 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: Interesting and according to the documentary that the way it 442 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: was presented, that's not. Um what what you're saying happened. 443 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: Happened that the Dawkins is claiming. The FBI is like, 444 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: this is what we want, and Dawkins is like, well, 445 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: I need the money, so I'll do what they want. 446 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: But I wasn't gonna do it this way. Yeah. I 447 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: mean it's like you saying, I'm gonna kill that guy. 448 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: Well I heard you say that. So I'm gonna go 449 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,719 Speaker 1: buy the gun. I'm gonna go buy the bullets. I'm 450 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: gonna put the gun in your hand. I just need 451 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: you to pull the trigger like that. That's exactly what 452 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: it came down to. Like, wait a minute, I didn't 453 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: mean that. Literally, I didn't want to kill that person. 454 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: Well here's the gun anyway, go shoot that person. Yeah, exactly. Um, 455 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: And the documentary it's they had phone conversations between Dawkins 456 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: and some big college coaches. And uh, really the fact 457 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: that Sean Miller and will Wait, yeah Sean millerb Arizona, 458 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: Will Wait of l s U have not lost their job? 459 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: Is I mean? It's would think you would think anybody 460 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: watched this would say, okay, it's not even up for 461 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: debate that I can hear them talking in the documentary here. Um, now, 462 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: Sean Miller, what a snake this guy appears to be. 463 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: He he denied any involved me in in the bribery, 464 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: but he can clearly be hurt. Even people that can't 465 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: hear can hear Sean Miller discussing the recruitment of a 466 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: couple of players who are currently in the NBA and 467 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: I see you a little and nas Reid who's littles 468 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: with the Trailblazers, I believe in read with the Timberwolves, 469 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: and DeAndre Ayton too, Yeah, DeAndre Ayton the number one 470 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: pick for the Sons, and the Arizona guy. And it 471 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: was clear they hinted very openly in about compensation. And 472 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: then you Will Wade was even more in your face. 473 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: In the ls you coach on wire tap talking about 474 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: playing paying players to come to l s U and 475 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: saying could compensate the players better than a rookie minimum 476 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: in the n b A, that they'd give them more 477 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: than the D League if they came to bat tall 478 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: rouge to play for LSU. Here's the bigger kick in 479 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: the pants is Sean Miller's assistant book. Richardson was actually 480 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: convicted on some charges. So when you mentioned in the 481 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: Assistant Coaches, he was one of several that was convicted 482 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: under the FEDS. So it was I think the Southern 483 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: District of New York was the one that handled this 484 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: entire case, and he was one of them. So the 485 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: fact that you don't know what your assistant coach is 486 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: doing is beyond it's beyond belief. But the fact that 487 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: obviously you have the smoking gun wire taps, I don't 488 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: know what the funk the n C Double A is 489 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 1: thinking that they're even thinking at all. But it kind 490 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: of goes back to what Dawkins mentions at the end. Hey, 491 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: these guys are too powerful and they're two up there 492 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: making that kind of coin for the n C Double 493 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: A to have any kind of ramifications that would come 494 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: down the wire because you you didn't mention it. But 495 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: Rick Pettino, I mean he's also involved too, and you 496 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,160 Speaker 1: had the brothel incident with Louisville and the recruit. It's 497 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: just ongoing. Yeah, absolutely, And and Dawkins the takeaway there 498 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: towards the end, and this is kind of a theme. 499 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: You know, I had heard Dawkins talk about this a 500 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: few times, but he believes that he did not break 501 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: any laws by paying players, and he the FBI assumed 502 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: that Dawkins was gonna play ball, right. They assumed he 503 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: was going to cooperate, and Dawkins refused. Christian Dawkins did 504 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: not rat out. He didn't really need to writ anybody 505 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: out because everything was on tape they made. That was 506 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: the other thing here. The FBI. Remember he told the 507 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: story about his iPhone and he was in the meeting 508 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: with the FBI when they were busting him, and he's 509 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: getting a phone call and as his phone is ringing, 510 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: one of the FBI agents, uh, one of the FBI 511 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: agents over there, his phone starts ringing. Also, that's the same, 512 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: the same setup that is unbelo. The phones were probably 513 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: a proximity wise. I don't know what you think, but 514 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: I think there were like five feet maybe even closer 515 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: than that in proximity, and his phones ringing and the 516 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: the FBI's phones ringing. That that was that was a 517 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 1: kind of Jesus moment too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. 518 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: So he ended up being arrested. He was charged with 519 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: a hindful of felonies, bribery, conspiracy, wire fraud, honest service fraud, 520 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: conspiracy to commit wire fraud, money laundering, all of that 521 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: was on the table. So okay, So my favorite part 522 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: of all this, obviously, the convictions was was dreadful for him. 523 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: But I thought the silver lining with the way that 524 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: he uh defended himself and attacked the FEDS was he 525 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: used that ninety thousand dollars he had in cash from 526 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: the vaguest trip from the corrupt FBI agent to pay 527 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: his attorneys for his defense. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. He 528 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: had said that money that the FBI thought was going 529 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: to the coaches, he had just kept it at his 530 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: house and he had cash piling up, and he used 531 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: that money he claims to pay off his his attorneys. 532 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: Here and the quote which is that we call it 533 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: the money quote here, Um that there's no law in 534 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: the world that says that breaking an n c A 535 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: rule is a federal felony. There's no law that says that. 536 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: And they twisted the law to make it work right 537 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: and and so this is the argument here, and your 538 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: old man would probably agree with me on this, that 539 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: law enforcement they've got loaded dice, meaning that if there's 540 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: no crime and they really want to get you on 541 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: a crime, they've got in their back pocket, especially the FBI, 542 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: I don't know about it, the l A, the local police, 543 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: but they've got wire fraud and tax evasion and those 544 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: are always in my life, those are the things that 545 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: they get you. Because wire fraud is you doing a 546 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: criminal act using electronic communications. Uh they have you know, 547 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: interstate commerce, they call it. Right, So you communicate using 548 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: a phone, call of facts, an email, a text, social 549 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: media posting, any of that is considered if you you're 550 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: doing something on there that is deemed illegal. It is 551 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: all under the umbrella of wire fraud, as I understand it. 552 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: So in the modern world, how does one do anything 553 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: without using either a phone, an email, a text, or 554 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: social media messaging. That's how the world communicates. So if 555 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: you do anything on those platforms that is deemed untoward, 556 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: you can be charged with a crime. And I hated 557 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: the fact that when he got popped by the Feds, 558 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: he was in a hotel room and the female federal 559 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: agent uh no longer undercover, said hey, you can make 560 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: a deal with us, and we can. We can obviously 561 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: work some things out, but you need to to basically 562 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: spit out what you have on all these coaches and 563 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: all these programs and these athletes. It says, I want 564 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: an attorney. And as soon as he said that, I 565 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: think the biggest chicken ship moment of the DOC menories 566 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: the fact that these federal agents come in armed to 567 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: the teeth, not just one guy, but several. It was 568 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: like a tactical unit came in with their M fors, 569 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: their a K s or whatever they had. It brought 570 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: me back to when Roger Stone was basically perp wocked 571 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: out of his home. It's a seventy year old man 572 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: in his pajamas in the in the wake of his sleep, 573 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you got these armed federal 574 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: agents coming in, twenty thirty of them, and all of 575 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: a sudden, CNN just magically shows up unprovoked by anybody 576 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: or tipped off, and these guys are threatening to bring 577 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: down Roger Stone. The same thing happened to Dawkins, and 578 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: it was just straight intimidation and it was just supreme bullshit. Yeah, 579 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: it's like you you could have used a butter knife 580 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: and instead you used the samurai sword. Yes, you could 581 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: have had a water gun and you had a machine 582 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: gun instead. You know, it's it's that kind of argument. 583 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: But this has always been the for show, right, It's 584 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: for putting on a show and showing you you didn't 585 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: make a deal with the FBI. Okay, we got seventeen 586 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: guys with guns pointed at your head because you didn't 587 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: make the deal, and and that's the way that it's 588 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: going to go down. Um So, so anyway, the part 589 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: of the documentary they indicated that there was a deal, 590 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: that that they had the playbook I think that was 591 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: the quote, right, They had the playbook of how corruption 592 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: happened in college sports. And so it turns out, and 593 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: you referred to the ending, not liking the ending there 594 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: that none of the big name coaches, not Arizona, Sean Miller, 595 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: not l s U. S. Will wait. I guess you 596 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: could say Patino lost his job. So that was a 597 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: win for the FBI. But they didn't bring down the 598 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: college corruption. They didn't end college corruption. They they sent 599 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: some low wrong people, some assistant coaches. They gave them 600 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: a screwdriver and and that was it. They went to jail, 601 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: some of them. Some of them didn't even go to jail. 602 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: But it was a big nothing burger, and they had 603 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: this big Alan news commerce, which we talked about on 604 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: the radio show when it happened, and they made it 605 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: seem you know, the southern quarter of Manhattan there they 606 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: got everybody, hey, oh my, we've we're gonna get justice, 607 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: and that justice. Yeah. The worst part for for Dawkins 608 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: was he got I believe it was eighteen months when 609 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: he was convicted on all three. See, he was charged 610 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: with I think thirteen counts and he only got convicted 611 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: on three of the charges. One of them was wire fraud, 612 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: another one's conspiracy to commit wire fraud. I forget what 613 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: the other one was. But Monice sawed he got probation. Uh. 614 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: There was a couple other guys that got slaps on 615 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: the wrist. But as you mentioned, hey, he even alluded 616 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: to it to you talked about high school to college basketball. 617 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: What about high school to college football? Fox Sports Radio 618 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch 619 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot com 620 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: and within the I Heart Radio app search f s 621 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: R to listen live. Yeah, yeah, that wasn't even part 622 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: of this. But if you think about if you're one 623 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: of these hot shot, cannon armed quarterbacks who is projected 624 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: to be an NFL player, and you've got Alabama, Clemson, 625 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: Ohio State, all these big powerhouse schools that are trying 626 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: to get you, you're telling me that the same stuff 627 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: is not going on there, that there's uh, you know, 628 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: I'll scratch your back, you scratch my back, Come on, way, 629 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: of course it's going absolutely Now one other addendum here. 630 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: I loved the part of the end Dawkins. It turns 631 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: out while he was going to federal court to fight this, 632 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: he would go to court in the morning, and then 633 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: when he was done with that, I guess it was 634 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 1: that at lunch was he doing At lunch he would 635 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: run over, he took a taxi or an uber appropriate enough, 636 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: maybe it was a lift, and he would go and 637 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: meet and he is now in the record business. He 638 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,760 Speaker 1: is now he's making music and he's signing acts and music. 639 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: He was, while on federal trial, was working on his 640 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: next job. How great is that? It was great? And 641 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,919 Speaker 1: the fact that he did because he was looking at 642 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: the landscape of what he can do for employment with 643 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: a felony conviction on his record, and he thought. The 644 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: first thing was, well, music doesn't care. Yeah, I've been 645 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: served right, Yeah, absolutely correct. Uh. And then the reaction 646 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: of this, it seems like they're the people that are 647 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,479 Speaker 1: fully invested in college sports think well, we shouldn't watch 648 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: this documentary. This guy's a convicted felon. It doesn't matter 649 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: what he says, and they're like trying to downplay the 650 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: whole thing like it was all nothing. In college sports 651 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: is still still pure and innocent. And I'm like, really 652 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: like my my entire life working in sports media. When 653 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,399 Speaker 1: I first started in Los Angeles back in the day, 654 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: and I heard stories and even before that about Sam Gilbert. Now, 655 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: if you don't know who Sam Gilbert is, look him up. 656 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: He was a car dealer in l a who funded 657 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: the Wizard of Westwood John Wooden. Right, I I getink 658 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: he owned a construction business, Sam Gilbert, but he he 659 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't supply cars and all that stuff. And uh, he 660 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 1: was the money guy behind the greatest dynasty in college 661 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: basketball history, the nineteen sixties u c l A basketball team, 662 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: and and uh and and he he was involved in 663 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:36,399 Speaker 1: I think the what's now known as the bicycle casino. UM. 664 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: He he had some some business dealings with that. But 665 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: but anyway, he would supply cars and all kinds of 666 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: other stuff to u c l A recruits. UM took 667 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: money out of his instruction company. And John Wooden, who 668 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 1: has done many you know, in his day, he did 669 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: many books about being holier than now and doing things 670 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 1: the right way and you know, make every day your masterpiece. 671 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: He he just looked the other way. He look the 672 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: other way while the money flowed out from Sam Gilbert. 673 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: And let's just say it hasn't stopped since Sam Gilbert. 674 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,879 Speaker 1: And he's been dead since the eighties. And I think 675 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 1: he was banished in uh in the early eighties from 676 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: from being able to pay out money. But there's always 677 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: been some version of Sam Gilbert involved in college sports. 678 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: I mean, but happens everywhere too, and every single sport. 679 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,280 Speaker 1: So I mean, you either got to be completely naive 680 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: or just oblivious to the fact that these guys and 681 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: some females are getting paid. There's so much money out there, 682 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: and of course if you're making millions beyond millions of 683 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,800 Speaker 1: I mean in the documentary they talked about smaller major 684 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 1: programs like Creighton shelling out over a hundred thousand dollars 685 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 1: for for prospects and Creighton there's a rip about Creighton. 686 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: And so when you have all that money that's involved 687 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: and you're invested, I mean, Dan Watson brought up a 688 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: great point because if you're if you're a shoe company 689 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: and you're giving U. C. L a. A Or Louisville 690 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,479 Speaker 1: or Texas or Southern cal a certain amount of money, Yeah, 691 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: you control what they do. I mean, long story short, 692 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: you control how they distribute, how they coach, how they recruit, 693 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 1: all those things that comes into play. Of course. Yeah. Absolutely. 694 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 1: And then one final final point in all this, as 695 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: we talked about the scheme our big documentary review here, 696 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 1: I gave it an eight out of ten. Guestcon says 697 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: a six only a six out of ten. Um is 698 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: when when when you look at the scheme and you 699 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: go through point by point and all this stuff, and uh, 700 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: you know what was I guess I'll ask you this, 701 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: Like you said you were upset, what were you upset about? This? 702 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: Only gave it a six? I gave it an eight. 703 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: I thought it was well done, the production value was 704 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: good on this. It was obviously one sided, But why 705 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 1: did you only go six? So my biggest reason for 706 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 1: this is because Dawkins was represented by an attorney by 707 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 1: the I think his name was Steve Haney, and they 708 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: mentioned it a little bit. But my problem is is 709 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: when the when the government made its case against Dawkins 710 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: and against everyone else that was involved, is that de'angelo 711 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 1: was never called to testify, and when Haney subpoenaed to 712 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: him to testify, he was not available or they did 713 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 1: not allow him to testify. And I thought there could 714 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: have been more to that back story, because you're talking 715 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 1: about not only being accused, but you should have obviously 716 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: the right to to face your accuser, which in this 717 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: case it's the Southern District of New York, but also 718 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 1: the witnesses that were involved. Well, he was the key witness, 719 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: He was the he was the motor behind this entire 720 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,800 Speaker 1: thing getting underweight. He was the key broker to to 721 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: sod being introduced to obviously two Dawkins, introducing him to 722 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: other players that were involved, to the coaches, to the 723 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: assistant coaches, everybody else that came in. It was all 724 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: general it off of D'Angelo the number one key informant 725 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: or they undercover FBI agent, and he wasn't able to 726 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 1: testify in court. Like I thought, there was more to 727 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: that that should have been done. Obviously, at the end 728 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: they disclosed that the FBI didn't make any comments on this. 729 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,840 Speaker 1: The n C double A didn't either, but with the 730 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: way that they were doing, that's investigative journalism involved with Dawkins. 731 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 1: I thought there was more that you could have peeled 732 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: off of that onion that would have helped. That's true. 733 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 1: So there's two things here and we'll wrap it up 734 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 1: with this. Either A, the FBI realized they had nothing 735 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: because Dawkins was corrupt, and that if they had gone 736 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: forward and tried to take down Sean Miller and Will Wade, 737 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: that would have come out more somehow in that situation. 738 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 1: And they said, well, D'Angelo, um, he was he was dirty, 739 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 1: so you can't believe anything that he did while he 740 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 1: was involved in this investigation. There's either that or the 741 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 1: other Deep State Illuminati is that Rick Pattino knows people, 742 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 1: um we Wade I'm assuming in the South knows some 743 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 1: people down in the Bayou. And Sean Miller has been 744 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,320 Speaker 1: a big college basketball These guys, uh scratched the back 745 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 1: of somebody who needed their back scratched, and it just 746 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 1: kind of went away. But the fact that these guys 747 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,719 Speaker 1: come out here touting their record and how seven percent 748 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: of their cases result in a conviction and they carry 749 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: the heavy hammer and then they I mean, they were 750 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,799 Speaker 1: over zealous with how they attacked Dawkins and then he 751 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,360 Speaker 1: got off with what what it was like a slap 752 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 1: on the wrist. If you're gonna be that ambitious and 753 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: you want to make a career case out of this, 754 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,319 Speaker 1: then you need to chop off the head. You don't 755 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,720 Speaker 1: go after the fingers. Yeah. Yeah, it was disheartening considering 756 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: how much money taxpayer money was spent and uh, next 757 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: to nothing, next to nothing. And it didn't make for 758 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: a good documentary though, So we got a good documentary 759 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,839 Speaker 1: to watch during this two hours time again. It's called 760 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,759 Speaker 1: The Scheme. It's on HBO. Check it out. You want 761 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: to know we gave you all the good stuff, but 762 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 1: there it is all right, thank you podcast all weekend. 763 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,800 Speaker 1: We are here for you again. Follow us on social media. 764 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,240 Speaker 1: I am on Twitter at Ben Maller. My Instagram page 765 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 1: is Ben Maller on Fox and our Facebook page. We 766 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: get a lot of questions. We'll have another podcast sometime 767 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 1: this weekend with grab Bag and questions and answers and 768 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 1: all that. And those are questions that are submitted on Facebook, 769 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,280 Speaker 1: which is Ben Mallard's show on Facebook and guest gons 770 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 1: on social media. Not on Facebook though, you know, thank god. 771 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram at Dave Gascon and twitters at David J. 772 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: Just the letter J David J. Gascon. Alright, have a 773 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,880 Speaker 1: great today. Whatever you do today, don't well you can't 774 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,240 Speaker 1: really do anything, so don't do anything just to hang around. 775 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 1: Just don't do nothing. Alright, have a have a good 776 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time.