1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Wow, the more he and 2 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: his attorneys taught, the more I like it. Of course, 3 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: I'm talking about Alex Murdog. Why do his attorneys keep talking? 4 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: Remember Alex Murdog is the lawyer out of South Carolina 5 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: that is now charged in the heinous murder of his 6 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: wife Maggie and son Paul outside their hunting lodge out 7 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: in the country, in addition to their home. I don't 8 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: know how many properties they own, but one is definitely 9 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:48,319 Speaker 1: a murder scene. Now he's also charged with millions of 10 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: dollars in buzzling and fraud taking money from clients he 11 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: represented in the worst way in bustling money from his 12 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: law firm. Hey, I also think somebody had to know 13 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: about all the embezzlement and did nothing. His family had 14 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: a grip on South Carolina politics forever. The prosecutor's office 15 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: had been held by a murdoc for a hundred years. Now, 16 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: talk about an ethical violation. He's a prosecutor in cases, 17 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: But then would civilly represent I guess either the defendant 18 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: or the victim in the case. That is a conflict 19 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: of interest. What a big mess. But I'm more worried 20 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: about the two dead bodies. Of course, the Murdock family 21 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: is connected to a lot of dead bodies. There's Gloria Centerfield, 22 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: the fifty ish year old housekeeper that was found dead 23 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: at the Murdoca State reportedly by quote chipping over the 24 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: dog right. Then there is Malory Beach, the team girl 25 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: that was thrown off the Murdoc boat when one of 26 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: the sons was drunk and high as a kite piled 27 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: into some pilings at a bridge. She flies off and 28 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: floats in the water for three days before her body 29 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: is found. Let's see who else. Oh? Yes, a young 30 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: guy in the community was found dead of a seeming 31 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: hit and run with ties to the Murdoch family and 32 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: MENI argue it was no such thing of a hit 33 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: as a hit and run. But let's focus on this case. 34 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 1: Wife Maggie and son Paul both killed at Murdoch's South 35 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: Carolina home. Imancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you 36 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: for being with us here on Fox Nation. In series 37 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: x one eleven, the very latest lawyers from murdog are 38 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: now pointing the finger at the prosecutors, claiming they're hiding 39 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 1: evidence including blood spatter evidence and phone records and they're 40 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: accusing the esecutors of leaking information about the murders to 41 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,519 Speaker 1: the press. Take a listen to this. They charged him 42 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: with murder. What they're telling us today is they're still 43 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: investigating it. They're still investigating the murder. They didn't have 44 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: enough when they charged him. Again, you're this is some 45 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: sort of game that's going on. And you use the 46 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: word game. That's not my word. This is not a game. 47 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: It's his wife, it's justice, it's the quality of judge 48 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 1: in this four room in this state in an ain't 49 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: a game. Well, leaks have been around as long as 50 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: I have been a prosecutor. There's always been leaks. Is 51 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: that a violation of the law? Is that a crime? 52 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: Probably not. And let me tell you something about blood 53 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: spatter evidence. There is a time period in which the 54 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: state has to hand over scientific that can be blood evidence, 55 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: the analysis of drugs, fiber as evidence, ballistics evidence, DNA evidence, 56 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: not polygraph because you usually don't have that in a 57 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: criminal trial. All of those are deemed scientific evidence. The state, 58 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: under the law has to hand all the scientific evidence 59 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: over to the defense well in advance a trial, and 60 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: they should. The reason is so the defense can't prepare 61 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: their defense based on the evidence the state has, or 62 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: they may even want to hire their own experts to 63 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: analyze what the state experts have done or to do 64 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: their own tests. We see that a lot where defense 65 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: teams hire their own experts. Take a listen to our 66 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: friends at GMA Good Morning America. How like Murdock's legal 67 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: team accusing prosecutors of hiding the ball, allegedly withholding evidence 68 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: ahead of his looming trial for double murder. Gotcha, prosecution, 69 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: it's trial by ambush. Give us the stuff. I don't 70 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: have a shred of paper, I don't have an email, 71 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: I don't have an exhibit, I don't have any evidence. 72 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: His attorneys are now accusing investigators of leaking details to 73 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: the media instead of handing it over to the defense 74 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: is required. What evidence are they talking about? Blood spatter 75 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,679 Speaker 1: evidence and phone nickers. Listen, We're not going to trial 76 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: in the next two weeks, so the state has plenty 77 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: of time to hand this evidence over. Take a listen 78 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: to Good Morning America. Verdock's lawyer seemingly referencing reports about 79 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: blood splatters and evidence found on phones. We're ready to work, 80 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: ready to hire investigators, ready to hire experts. All I 81 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: know about bud spatters what I read in some blog. 82 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: I've never seen any blood spatter evidence. I've never seen 83 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: any phone downloads. I've never seen any witness statements. Thirty 84 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: two days after we make the request, we still don't 85 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: have any of the defenses. Filed a motion asking the 86 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: judge to compel the state to turn over the evidence 87 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: immediately and to unseal the details of the grand jury indictment. 88 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: In a response filing, the state caused the motion a 89 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: blatant attempt to create drama where formerly there was none. 90 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: There is a time period in which the state must 91 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: hand over scientific evidence, a witness list, and much more, 92 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: including exculpatory evidence. Exculpatory evidence is evidence that indicates the 93 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:37,239 Speaker 1: defendant could be innocent that comes from a very old 94 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: case and went to the US Supreme Court Brady the Maryland, 95 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: where Brady claimed the state did not hand over exculpatory evidence, 96 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: and he won because the state did not hand over 97 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: the exculpatory evidence back to murdog. Now, so far, the 98 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: state has missed no deadlines in handing over evidence that 99 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: we know of. But the bloods batter evidence, I think 100 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: they're talking about it's high impact human matter spatter, which 101 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: is probably blood found on Alex Murdog's clothing that he 102 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: wore the night of the murders, which indicates he was 103 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: there when the gun shots occurred. That's the only way 104 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: you can get that high velocity, high impact blood spatter. 105 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: That's a spatter. I think they're talking about, how did 106 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: the whole thing start? Spatter evidence? Does it directly link 107 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: the drugged up lawyer Alex Murdog to the double murders 108 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: of his wife and his own son. All this from 109 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: a source FIT News, and I want to go straight 110 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: out to Matt Harris, Matt in the morning show, host 111 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: of the Matt and Ramona Show one oh seven point 112 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: nine wl n K podcast, The Murdog Family Murders. Matt, 113 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: what is happening? Well, according to fits News, they're the 114 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: ones who reported this that there's forensic evidence on his 115 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: clothing and it could only have come from blood spatter. 116 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: They are reporting that there's been multiple tests done and 117 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: proves that Alec was at least near the bodies when 118 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: are one of the bodies when they were shot and 119 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: killed in June Let's hands. But Matt Harris joining us 120 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: from w L and K just said blood spatter. There's 121 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: a lot of different kind of blood spatter. There is 122 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: um I drop, I drop a jar of ketchup in 123 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: the glass and it's spatter. Then there's what we call 124 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: high velocity blood spatter. Completely different thing. Because high velocity 125 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: blood spatter you probably can't even see it with a 126 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: naked eye. It's like a mist, but it hits, for instance, 127 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: in this case, his shirt in a different way than 128 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: other spatter would hit. So let me understand, Matt Harris, 129 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: I'm morning show host Matt Romono w L and K. 130 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: You're attributing to fit and to use the report that 131 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: a shirt worn by Alex Murdock, they drugged up lawyer 132 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: who we now think embezzled literally millions of dollars from 133 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: his clients. The shirt worn on the night his wife 134 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:43,119 Speaker 1: and son were murdered, not only has high velocity blood spatter, 135 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: a significant amount of high velocity blood spatter. Is that 136 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: what you're telling me, That's what FITZ News is saying. 137 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: The high velocity impact spatter was specifically high velocity. Now 138 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: we know that Alec touched the bodies the police according 139 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: to him in the nine one one call that night, 140 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: so that would be on his shirt and pants maybe 141 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: as well. But they're saying there is the high velocity 142 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: impact spatter on that shirt would put them right in 143 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: the proximity of either one or both victims when they 144 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: were shot. Time Stories with Nancy Grace In the last 145 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: hours Alex and Murdock got to South Carolina's lawyers have 146 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: piped up claiming prosecutors are hiding evidence and leaking information 147 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: about the murders of Murdock's wife and son to the press. 148 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 1: What evidence are they talking about? Blood spatter evidence, high 149 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: impact human matter spatter, which is probably blood found on 150 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: Alex Mournogue's clothing that he wore the Knight of the murders. 151 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: Straight out to Joscot Morgan, professor forensics, Jacksonville State University, 152 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: author Blood Beneath My Feet, host of a hit series 153 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: Body Backs to jo Scott Morgan on iHeart Jes Scott 154 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: tell me a lot. It's telling me not only was 155 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: he about within thirty six inches of the bodies of 156 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: the dead people, his wife and his son, but he 157 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: was there when they got shot. Yeah, he was. And 158 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: that's what's being at least implicated here are implied relative 159 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: to this finding. When you start to talk about high 160 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: velocity blood spatter, Nancy, for our listeners at home, just 161 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: think about this, right you were when you mentioned that 162 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: it's very fine, very difficult to see. If anybody has 163 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: an aerosol hairspray container home, go to your mirror and 164 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: spirits at one time, very lightly, and it particulates, and 165 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: that's generated from a high end energy impact. And it's 166 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: generally associated in most every single time I've seen it, 167 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: it's always associated with gunfire. That means that it has 168 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: to reach a certain level of velocity to impact that 169 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: body to spray that blood out. If you're anywhere in 170 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: proximity to that. And you mentioned about thirty six inches, 171 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: that's kind of the standard. It's going to literally blow 172 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: out and mystify all, wait minute, whoa, whoa, whoa, he 173 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: just ran over thirty six inches. We standardize thirty six inches. 174 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: What do we mean by that? When you shoot the 175 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: spatter will travel about thirty six inches past that it 176 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: starts to dissolve in the air or drop to the ground, 177 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: which tells us. And this is after years and years 178 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: and years of exhaustive experimenting, we know that if you've 179 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: got blood spatter. You are three feet or less to 180 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: the point of impact bullet to body. Yeah, you're absolutely right. 181 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: Blood unlike a body, unlike a bullet, has horrible, horrible 182 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: aerodynamic qualities. So a bullet can spent through the air 183 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: and go for a long, long ways. But the way 184 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: this liquid, very viscous, thick liquid substance. Even when it's 185 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: it's a mystified like this, it doesn't hold together very well, 186 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:42,119 Speaker 1: and so after about thirty six inches it's lost its velocity, 187 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: but it's still particulate like this goes like this. Yep, yep, 188 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, just like the hair spray I was 189 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: referring to. So that gives you an indication, Nancy, that 190 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: if this is true, if what they're saying is true, 191 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: they would have had to have tested the shirt, looked 192 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 1: at it very carefully under you know, like probably alternative 193 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: lighting sources like ultra violet and that sort of thing 194 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: to be able to pick this up. It'll kind of 195 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: iuminate and they'll get they'll get an idea of the 196 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: distribution of this pattern as well. And maybe what are 197 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: you saying the distribution of the pattern, Well, it'll give 198 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: you an idea of say, for instances regular people talk. 199 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: It will give you an idea perhaps relative to his 200 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: position to the bodies when this weapon was fired, or 201 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: whoever was wearing this shirt, they have a shirt, pants, 202 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: whatever the clothing is when they begin to examine it, 203 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: and they'll also look at the concentration. Nancy, keep in mind, 204 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: as you've said many many times before, you always use 205 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: the analogy and I love this of the water hose 206 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: where you spray it, the tighter that grouping, the closer 207 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: the individual is. So if it's tightly concentrated, that means 208 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: that the proximity of the individual that it's on the 209 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: receiving end of this spatter. Okay, And they're saying this 210 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: Alec that it's going to be very tightly concentrated. The 211 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: closer he is to the body, further way it will 212 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: be spread out thirty six INSes. It's about an arm's length, 213 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about, which makes perfect sense. You're 214 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: holding the gun, you shoot and it they're not saying 215 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: is it on the chest, is it on the sleeve 216 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: of the shirt. We're talking about timing as he caught 217 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: on video wearing the same shirt or a different shirt, 218 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: And when can we identify he was wearing, so they 219 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: purported bloody shirt the night his wife and son were killed. 220 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: You know what, before we go too deep into blood spatter, 221 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna reath visit. I want you to hear that 222 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: very night now. If this is true what Phitney's is reporting. 223 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: But we are hearing from our friend Matt Harris, wl NK. 224 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: If it's true, that means he was at the body 225 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: at the time of the shooting. That particular blood spatter 226 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: marking cannot be created in any other way. It's not 227 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: a transfer where he reached out and hugged the bodies 228 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: or touched the bodies. It's not a drop. For instance, 229 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: in Travis Alexander, when blood he was aspirating blood up 230 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: from all the stabs in his chest, his lungs were 231 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: filling up with blood. Travis Alexander goes to his bathroom 232 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: mirror and looks at himself as he is dying, and 233 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: blood drips down from the mouth or the nose, and 234 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: we see drop marks. It's not an orb it's a spatter. 235 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: Big difference under a microscope. But wait a minute, if 236 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: what Fitt and Us is saying, if what Matt Harris 237 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: is reporting, it's all correct. Then Alex Murdog managed to 238 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: call nine one one and say this. Take a listen. 239 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: Tell Murdo forty one forty seven Mozelle Road. I need 240 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: to believe my wife and child stop. Okay, you said 241 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: forty one forty seven Mortile Road in Alton, Sir, you 242 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: said forty one forty seven Mozelle Road in Alton. Yeah, 243 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: forty one forty Mozel Road. Yeah. Thursday on the line 244 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: with him me Okay, Collins and I have an Alex 245 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: Murdoch on the line, caller from forty one forty seven 246 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: Mozall Road. He's advising that his wife and child was shot. Okay, 247 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: forty one forty seven Mozelle Road. I've been up to 248 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: it now is bad? Okay? Okay? And are they breathing? No, 249 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: ma'am okay. And he said it's your wife and your son. 250 00:17:55,359 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: My wife and my son. Are they in a vehicle? No, man, 251 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: their own ground, out of my kennel. You know what, 252 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: There's just some things in life you just can't get 253 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: enough off and hearing Alex and Murdog. If Fit News 254 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: is right and I have no reason to believe they're 255 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: not right, think about this guy, making this ninel one 256 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: call when according to the blood and the blood doesn't lie, 257 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: his shirt is covered and high velocity blood spatter. Take 258 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: a listen. Here he is again. He just can't talk enough. Canny, Okay, 259 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: is bringing that all? No? No one? Okay, No, ma'am people, ma'am. 260 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: No color is your house on the outside? What color 261 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: is your house on the outside? Why you can't see 262 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: it from the road? Okay? Is it a house or 263 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: mobile home? Okay? And what is your name? My name 264 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: is Alex Murdoch. Okay, did you hear anything? Finger? Did 265 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: you come home and find them? Nobody? I've been gone. 266 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: I just came back. Anyone else, No, ma'am. We hurry, 267 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: We're getting somebody out there to you. Oh. Bobby Chicome, 268 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: Bobby Chicom, Bobby Chicomb nearly thirty years former FBI Asian 269 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: and Bobby chicoone dot com Bobby Bobby Bobby, Oh, how 270 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: I would love to be a fly on the wall 271 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: and watch him make that nine one one called it? 272 00:19:55,560 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 1: You hear all that blubbering and snodding and the the 273 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: tremulous wells? Yeah, I mean he became suddenly very literate. 274 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: When you have to say that I just got back. 275 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: I heard that. I even read that home. I've been gone. Yeah, 276 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 1: he got the things that he needed to get out 277 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: very clearly and very articularly, and so he knew. It 278 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: was almost like a script. He knew what he had 279 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: to say. He obviously knows those calls are recorded, we 280 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: all do, and so he knew what he had to say, 281 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: and he walked. You listen to that call, it's almost 282 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: like a walkthrough of Hey, I didn't do this, And 283 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: so it's really interesting to hear that and to hear 284 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: how he goes from this blubbering guy who's who You 285 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: can hear the snock coming out, and he can't even 286 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 1: comport himself. And then all of a sudden, he's very 287 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: clear when he has to make the points that he 288 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: wants to make. Murdoch's defense team blasting prosecutors, claiming they're 289 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: hiding evidence including blood spatter and phone records. I can't 290 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: wait to read those phone records and leaking information about 291 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: the murders to the press. Why he's so concerned about 292 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: the press, He'd better be concerned about putting that case 293 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: together to go to trial. All that matters is what 294 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: the jury thinks, not what the press thinks or the 295 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: general population. They're not rendering a verdict. Take a listen 296 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: to our friends at GMA Good Morning America. The defense 297 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: has filed a motion asking the judge to compel the 298 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: State to turn over the evidence immediately and to unseal 299 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: the details of the grand jury indictment. In a response filing, 300 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: the state calls the motion a blatant attempt to create 301 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: drama where formerly there was none, saying the state has 302 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: no desire to preclude the defense from any discovery, adding 303 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: day we'll send it over when the court greenlights it. 304 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: What do we know about the facts of the Murnog murders. 305 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to read something. Listen to this, Matt Harris 306 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: joining me morning show host w L and K. Quote. 307 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: Multiple sources have told FIT that they and they keep 308 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: saying this over and over, high velocity impacts spatter and 309 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: Joe Scott put that in your head because I need 310 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: for you to go over that for me. Multiple sources, 311 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: multiple sources have told this news outlet that the high 312 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: velocity impact spatter has been independently analyzed and confirmed by 313 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: multiple forensic experts, including by at least one out of 314 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: State Laboratory. Put that in your head to Joe Scott, 315 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: because I'm just wondering did they send it to Quantico? 316 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: Because if you're going to send it out of state, 317 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: why go from South Carolina to Alabama or Georgia or 318 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: North Carolina. If you're gonna send it somewhere, make account 319 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: man send it to the Feds. I mean, that's what 320 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: I'm just surmising. Because South Carolina, I mean, South Carolina 321 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: has their own crime lab, don't they. Matt Harris, Yes, yes, 322 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: they do, probably more than one. I mean Georgia, we 323 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: need we have a major crime lab in Atlanta. But 324 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I know South Carolina has got to have 325 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: their own crime lab. Sure, I mean they're backed up 326 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: a lot because of COVID and what other things are 327 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: going on, but they have one for sure, if not multiple. 328 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: So why would they send it next door to North 329 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: Carolina or to Tennessee or to Georgia. They wouldn't, right right, 330 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the FEDS have been roaming around 331 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: down on that area for a while. Now. We know that. 332 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: And I think that also to avoid any influenced by 333 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: the Murdochs. Thus my podcast Impact of Influence. I love 334 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: your podcast, Thank You, SLED wants to make sure, which 335 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: is South Carolina Law Enforcement Division, to make sure there's 336 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: no issues of influenced by the Murdochs. So they are 337 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: going to make sure or ask for the FEDS help, 338 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: I would assume, and not just have one of the 339 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: counties or state work down there, because they don't want 340 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: any impropriety acknowledge or thought about or rumored. So getting 341 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: the FEDS involved makes sense. Yeah, And as a matter 342 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: of fact, that's what you name your podcast, And at 343 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: first I didn't quite get why you had such a 344 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: long name for your podcast, but now I do. The 345 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: Murdoch Family murders Impact of Influence, and I thought that 346 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: meant just how far reaching the Murdoch family influence was 347 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: because their legal dynasty, they've been the prosecutors and they've 348 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: had a civil law firm, which I think is an 349 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: incredible conflict of interest because you're going to represent people 350 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: that have been victims or purps in the cases that 351 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: you're prosecuting. I mean, wow, anyway, that has lasted for 352 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: decades and decades and decades, but in this case, the 353 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: title of your podcast goes as well, impact of influence. 354 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: They are sending sled South Carolina Law Enforcement Division is 355 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 1: sending this evidence out, I think to the FEDS, although 356 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 1: that's not being reported where there is no partiality one 357 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: way or the other, and nobody's got an ax to grind. 358 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: So that's why they did that. And I want to 359 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: also point out that FIT is reporting that this is 360 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: just one piece of evidence of many pieces of evidence 361 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 1: that place Themrnock at the scene at the time of 362 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: the crime Bobby Coon. What can they be talking about? 363 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: NAV system on his car, GPS satellite on his phone, triangulation, 364 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: if he has watched subtraction, if he's got a fitness tractor. 365 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of a lot of different 366 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: things to you. Here's the problem. You may do all 367 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 1: that uh fitbit found car, all the NAV all the triangulation, 368 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: but you gotta have the time of death narrowed down 369 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 1: because you can prove he's there at eight pm. But 370 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: what if you can't prove the death occurred at eight pm? 371 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: What is the death accord at two pm? That's a problem. Yeah, 372 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: I thought it was weird. We've been saying from the 373 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: beginning that it was odd to us that they picked 374 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: a very short period of time for the possible death 375 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: because they released that that Alec made the call at 376 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: nine to eleven and they said the time of death 377 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: was between nine and nine thirty. Well, that's according to 378 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: the autopsy report of Paul. That's a very short window. 379 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: And you guys are better at the science things than me, 380 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: but that seems like that's unusual to pin it down 381 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: to a thirty minute span. Is that what they said? 382 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: Matt Harris is jacoon right, and I think he is. 383 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: Did they stay it was between nine and nine thirty 384 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: the time of yes, according to the autopsy report of Paul, 385 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: nine and nine thirty, and alcohol was at ten o seven. Okay, 386 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: so they calls at ten o seven the death between 387 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: nine and nine thirty. Matt Harris and Bobby Chone. That 388 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: is certainly food for thought. How did they do it? 389 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: Just Scott Morgan, there maybe a way that they're doing 390 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: not scientifically, based on the body and the autopsy. It 391 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: could be Maggie Murdog the wife made a phone call 392 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: and had a conversation at eight forty five. Yeah, it's 393 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: coming back to electronics and see listen to anybody that's 394 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: worth their salt and forensics, particularly medical legal death investigation. 395 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: Don't you don't ever, you don't ever narrow down beyond 396 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: about a two to three hour window when you're talking 397 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: about post mortem interval, that is the moment in time 398 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: when an individual died until you actually get a chance 399 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 1: to examine the body. We are not fine tuned enough 400 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: for that. That gives me an indication here that they're 401 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: getting information from some other source that's going to pin 402 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 1: this day instrinsic evidence to show time of death. And 403 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: I remember they did find they did find Maggie's phone, uh, 404 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: the next day, tossed on the side of the road 405 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: and some weeks yeah, yeah, and they got a really 406 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: long driveway and I understand that the phone was not 407 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: far from the mailbox or is it on down the road, Matt, 408 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: they had they had to drive to it. In fact, 409 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 1: Michael Holst was talking with Alex brother and they said 410 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: that they got the information from Buster, the brother of Paul, 411 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: and how to ping Maggie's phone. So they started walking 412 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: around on the property. They couldn't find it, and then 413 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: John Marvin got in a car with law enforcement and 414 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: drove to where the phone was and they found it. Wow, 415 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: that's really valuable information. Hey, guys, all of this that 416 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: we're learning for those of you just joining us. According 417 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: to fit News, high velocity impact spatter on Alex Murlock's shirt, 418 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: the shirt he was wearing the nine his wife and 419 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: son were murdered. High velocity impact blood spatter directly ties 420 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: him to the double homicide, and with this backdrop about 421 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: the blood spatter placing him at the bodies at the 422 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: time they were shot dead, take a listen to him 423 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: on his nine one one call, and then we'll give 424 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: doctor Sherry Schwartz a crack at it. Take a listen, Okay. 425 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: What is her name Maggie? Maggie and Paul Maggie and 426 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: her name Deef. Okay, and please hurry. We're getting somebody 427 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: out there to you and me asking you these questions. 428 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: Don't flow them down, Okay? Are you sure they're not breathing? 429 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: Is he moving out? Your son? I know you said 430 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: that she was shot, but what about your son? Nobody, 431 00:29:51,280 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: they're not neither one open. What is your telephone number? 432 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: And does anything look out of place? Not particularly really, no, ma'am. Okay, 433 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: straight out to doctor Sherry Schwartz for Itasic Psychologi, specializing 434 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: and capital mitigation at panther mitigation dot Com. Doctor Sherry Schwartz, 435 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: what do you make of it? Well, I think, you know, 436 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: going back earlier to what you and mister Chakom, we're 437 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: talking about the fact that he sounds so upset in 438 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: between the questions, but when he has to articulate the 439 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: answers to the questions, he seems to do that just fine. 440 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: He even is able to collect himself enough to sort 441 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: of I'm imagining him looking around to see if anything's 442 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: out of place before answering that question, and that to 443 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: me seems very odd. I don't know what his psychopathology is. 444 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: I've never met this person, but you know, it's this 445 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: seems to be a group of people, the Murdoch's family 446 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: that has a high degree of comfort being around death right. 447 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: The housekeeper I believe was killed at one point or 448 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: died in their presence, and they don't seem to have 449 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: a right, They don't seem to have a lot of empathy, 450 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: and yet he seems to do a remarkable job of 451 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: sounding like he's got this empathy for his apparently deceased 452 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: loved One Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Alex Murdog's lawyers 453 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: hit the news headlines again accusing the state of withholding 454 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: evidence and leaking to their press. Now this brings to 455 00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:00,479 Speaker 1: mind when one of Alex Murdog's lawyers went public claimed 456 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: Murdog had a brain injury, that he had been attacked 457 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: on the road by an unknown assailant. Blah blah blah. Well, 458 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: Murdog showed up in court with a band aid, as 459 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: I recall, that's no brain injury, a band aid. He 460 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: looked fine. So you can't always believe what a lawyer 461 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: says when a microphone is in front of his face. 462 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: And regarding that unknown assailant, Yeah, that was a lie too, 463 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: turns out according to Murdog. Of course, you know you 464 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: got to take that with a box assault. According to Murdog, 465 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: he had a longtime friend many people say, drug supplayer 466 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: shoot him in the head so his living son, the 467 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: only son left living, could get the proceeds of a 468 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: life insurance policy. I wonder if he didn't have himself 469 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: shot in the head to make it appear as if 470 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: the killer of his wife Maggie and son Paul was 471 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: after him too, distancing himself from their murders. Well, I 472 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: guess we'll find that out when this finally goes to trial, 473 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: the defense team making a big bluster about evidence deadlines 474 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: and leaking to the press. But what are the real 475 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: facts of the case, Matt Harris joining us from wl 476 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: n K. At least one of the murder weapons was 477 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: owned by the Alex Murdoch family. Well, we know that 478 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: the Murdoch did own an AR fifteen that uses the 479 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: m with it was found by the three hundred blackout 480 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: according the ball Street Journal, but that was not recovered 481 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: or turned over for inspection, is what we're hearing. So 482 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: that now, so that leaves us to believe if you 483 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: take every report and put altogether, that maybe the shotgun 484 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: was found, but that is still again one of those 485 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: rumors that's out there, and the R fifteen coccord of 486 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: the journal that's not Then the murdoch owned one was 487 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: not collected. We're not sure why that was. Again, the 488 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: time of the deaths has been placed between nine and 489 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: nine thirty. That evening law enforcements very clear that that's 490 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: the window of the martyrs. Yeah, well, I mean he 491 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 1: was at the hospital at one point with his dad, 492 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 1: who died a few days later, but he was actually 493 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,959 Speaker 1: at his mom, who suffers from Alzheimer's and dementia at 494 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: her house at from nine to nine in that range 495 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: nine thirty watching a game show or something, and she 496 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,800 Speaker 1: has a And the word is that she has a 497 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: caretaker that was there at that time to do the vouching. 498 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: I don't know it's true, but it's a very short 499 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: drive from her mom's house. I've driven it from the 500 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 1: mom's his mom's house to the hunting area. I mean 501 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: twenty minutes, maybe fifteen straight back to Bobby Icon. How 502 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: do you make sense of what you're hearing right now 503 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: from Matt Harris Well, I think you know, as doctor 504 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: Joe even alluded to Droller, I don't think these time 505 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: frames can be that exact. I think these are approximations. 506 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: I think both at the time of death and these 507 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: times of travel and the times he left, I think 508 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: these are very approximations. Do I mean if you ask 509 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: me of my day yesterday, I could give you approximate 510 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: times and when I did certain things, But those aren't 511 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 1: going to be to the minute. Those are going to 512 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: be also minus five ten minutes, depending on what I 513 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: was doing. Not really. If you use yourself funding your 514 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: NAV data off of your car it will be down 515 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 1: to the minute if that's used, Sir malis video. It 516 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: was time to stamp to same thing that it's stamped correctly, right, 517 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: Which is why, which is why his lawyers are snowing 518 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,280 Speaker 1: by his own statements and saying you had an airtight alibi, 519 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: when the police are saying, no, he's a suspect in 520 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: this case. He's a person of interest in this double 521 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: homicide because his statements of when he did certain things 522 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: may not match up with the electronics that they now have. 523 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: I mean, the lawyer is saying this. Jim Griffin, who 524 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: is Alex Murnock's lawyer, is set saying, quote, I assure 525 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: you we have Alex's whereabouts for completely that time that 526 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: night he's sitting on the bedside of his mother at 527 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,320 Speaker 1: her house when the coroner says the murder has happened 528 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: watching a game show on TV. How many times have 529 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: people relied on what's on TV at the time a 530 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,280 Speaker 1: murder or a crime occurred. That doesn't always pan out 531 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: the way you think it's going to pan out. Another 532 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: thing to you, Matt. We also understand that this is 533 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,399 Speaker 1: now one of the largest and most complex criminal corruption 534 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: investigations ever in Palmetto State history. This has gone now 535 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: into corruption how well I mean Alex has been I 536 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: think there's seventy one charges against him, a little over 537 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: eight million dollars that he's allegstro taken from clients, but 538 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: the number is estimated by most to be more like 539 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: twelve or fifteen or something. There's a judge that has 540 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: come under fire because she signed off on the settlement 541 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 1: with the sadder Field kids, but it was worded oddly. 542 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: It seemed to be hidden within the system. So note 543 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: so the Beach family is good bye and facilitated all 544 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: of the embezzlement. Oh, there's got to be there. I 545 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: think that there has to be plenty of people involved. 546 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: You would think. I don't think over ten years you 547 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: can take like fifteen million dollars and do it alone. 548 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: In the last hours, Alex and Murdock got a South 549 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:37,720 Speaker 1: Carolina's lawyers have piped up claiming prosecutors are hiding evidence 550 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: and leaking information about the murders of Murdoch's wife and 551 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 1: son to the press. Every day that passes makes it 552 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: more difficult for Alec Murdoch and his attorney to get 553 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: prepared for trial. It's trial by ambush, give us the stuff. 554 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: You went to a grand jury and saying you got 555 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: enough evidence to convict Alec Murdock convention jury beyond a 556 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: reasonable doubt. Where is it. I don't have a shred 557 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,359 Speaker 1: of paper, I don't have an email, I don't have 558 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: an exhibit, I don't have any evidence. But right now 559 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:15,280 Speaker 1: I want you to hear this. WCIV ABC four Charleston 560 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: reporter Anne Emerson evidence delivered ay Alec Murdoch murder case. 561 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: The defense says it's gotten what it wanted after a 562 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,320 Speaker 1: tense day in court earlier this week. Our investigative reporter 563 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: Ann Emerson has been on top of this case from 564 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: day one. So Anne, do we have any new reaction 565 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: for Murdock's lawyers tonight, Well, Katy. Alec Murdock's defense team says, 566 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,800 Speaker 1: as they download the content of the state's case today, 567 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 1: they are evaluating it. In a statement we received, they 568 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: say they look forward to reviewing the state's materials and 569 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: allegations immediately so they can quote continue to build a 570 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: defense for our clients. So we're ready for trial in 571 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: less than six months. This is the real moment for 572 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: the defense to discover what they're up against whether or 573 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 1: not there is enough to convict Alec Murdoch of these 574 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,800 Speaker 1: double murders. I spoke with South Carolina former Attorney General 575 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 1: Charlie Condon. Condon says it will be critical for the 576 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: defense to decide whether Murdoch takes a stand due to 577 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,800 Speaker 1: the intense media scrutiny as well as the sensitive nature 578 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 1: of the murder evidence. The judge puts some of the 579 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: evidence under a temporary protective order, but according to Condon, 580 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: that should not hinder either side from evaluating it. However, 581 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,240 Speaker 1: as this state prosecutor Creighton Water set in court Monday, 582 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,439 Speaker 1: this evidence could fetch millions of dollars if it landed 583 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: in the wrong hands. This protective order will make sure 584 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 1: that if the evidence does get out, the responsible parties 585 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: will be held accountable and could face jail time. We 586 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: are waiting for this to go to trial and hopefully 587 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,919 Speaker 1: a true verdict we will be rendered. Nancy Grace Crime 588 00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: Story signing off, goodbye friend.