Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast arrives to work every day
Speaker 1: in a break struck. Welcome to another edition of The
Speaker 1: Round the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis. I'm
Speaker 1: joining the room that is just overflowing with heroes. Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: Chris Westling, Hand, Greg Rosenthal. What is up? Boys? Hey? Dan?
Speaker 1: Come on missing someone hand? Some people get their own introduction.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you if you liked this nickname,
Speaker 1: but it's the one that I've heard since I've been
Speaker 1: at this company. The face, I've never heard that before.
Speaker 1: So you tweeted that out before. I've never heard it.
Speaker 1: The face of NFL Network, Rich Eisen Back in the
Speaker 1: studio that you built by hand. You know what, I'm
Speaker 1: looking around this studio. This this room looks absolutely nothing
Speaker 1: like not at all I used to do with the podcast.
Speaker 1: And never could I have imagined there'd be lights, there's
Speaker 1: actual cameras. Um, you know what it was was just
Speaker 1: a table and um crap against the wall. That was it.
Speaker 1: Now this is like a legit room. This is great.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about officially titling the studio studio?
Speaker 1: You know what, Damnaschek was the one who put the
Speaker 1: crap against the wall. There was like this big Troy
Speaker 1: Paula Malu like fat head cut out. Remember up against
Speaker 1: the wall? You got this built up here. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's be real, Damna check is not getting a podcast
Speaker 1: studio belt. I understand. Let's let's be real. Let's be real.
Speaker 1: I got nothing built. Um. What it was was me, um,
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what else I can do other
Speaker 1: than NFL total access around these parts and just do
Speaker 1: some other things outside of just the same show I
Speaker 1: would do every day. UM. And I decided to ask
Speaker 1: in my contract renegotiation the ability to do a podcast. Uh.
Speaker 1: Steve Bornstein, who was in charge of this place back then, UM,
Speaker 1: that's about it was about. Yeah, probably so UM. You know, uh,
Speaker 1: I I've known Steve forever. He was the one who
Speaker 1: hired me at ESPN. Well he had people to hire
Speaker 1: me at ESPN, but he was the one who actually
Speaker 1: hired me for the NFL network. He asked how much
Speaker 1: it would cost. I told him hardly anything, and he's like,
Speaker 1: why are you even asking me? Like, we don't even
Speaker 1: put it in a contract. Just do whatever you want.
Speaker 1: And I'm like okay. So I did that, and then
Speaker 1: a lot of people around here would do the usual,
Speaker 1: which is like, what do you mean you're doing? What
Speaker 1: are you doing? What? How do we? How do? There
Speaker 1: is no concept of of of figuring out what it
Speaker 1: would look like or sound like, or or support it
Speaker 1: in any way. I just kept on chugging, like the
Speaker 1: little engine that could, doing my own thing. Um. Eventually
Speaker 1: the lockout was coming. And then people in the programming
Speaker 1: department asked me if I could do it on television
Speaker 1: because they needed cheap programming. I said, I would do
Speaker 1: it as long as you called it inexpensive programming as
Speaker 1: opposed to keep Yeah. So we we then did. We
Speaker 1: would do some of the podcast in this room when
Speaker 1: there were no cameras, and we would then go over
Speaker 1: to what is the voice over booth across the alleyway here, um,
Speaker 1: where there was one singular fixed camera on the wall. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, we used to do our updates in that
Speaker 1: room with a green screen behind it. It had the
Speaker 1: look of a hostage video. Um, and so we I
Speaker 1: did it in there in front of a green screen.
Speaker 1: Eventually they spent the money to actually get like a
Speaker 1: shower curtain that would put the podcast logo on it,
Speaker 1: and you we would just move it across behind me
Speaker 1: for the background of it, and we put together fifty
Speaker 1: six of those, like over a year. I did it.
Speaker 1: And then Thursday Night Football came to be at the
Speaker 1: NFL network where it was just on our network, um iTunes.
Speaker 1: For an episode of that, I would love it. I
Speaker 1: had no idea. Actually, I think they flushed them all
Speaker 1: down the toilet quite frankly around here, because you know,
Speaker 1: again this was now I'm I love the fact that
Speaker 1: there's so many uh podcasts here, and your guys obviously
Speaker 1: are a robust part of of what's being built here
Speaker 1: as well. You know, the NFL should have more than
Speaker 1: just television behind it. You guys do a great job,
Speaker 1: and it's it's terrific. I'd love that. We we did
Speaker 1: some great shows and I was very proud of it.
Speaker 1: But then when Thursday Night Football was on all sixteen
Speaker 1: weeks essentially here on the NFL network, They're like, we,
Speaker 1: you know, the TV shows over. So then I kind
Speaker 1: of just finished the story, UH said, how about we
Speaker 1: just do like podcast television shows for kickoff, Thanksgiving and
Speaker 1: and the Draft and just around the tent pole moments.
Speaker 1: So that was kind of a compromise, and then Direct
Speaker 1: TV called me up and said, how would you like
Speaker 1: to do it every day on the radio as well
Speaker 1: as TV here and after Dan Patrick Show, And I'm like, sold,
Speaker 1: I'd love to do it. And I literally had to
Speaker 1: sell I think the blood of my children to get
Speaker 1: that in my contract. I still have the I'm still
Speaker 1: you know I still have. But I'll be and you
Speaker 1: very honest with you. Like Roger Goodell was one million
Speaker 1: percent um the guy who basically said let's let's do
Speaker 1: this for my show that I'm doing on Direct TV
Speaker 1: every day, and um, he's been supportive of every last
Speaker 1: thing I've ever done. So now here I am with
Speaker 1: you guys again. Personally, I like to thank you because
Speaker 1: if it weren't for you, uh starting this entire engine,
Speaker 1: I know that I'd probably be working at stopping shop
Speaker 1: in Paramus, New Jersey. I'd been promised too, but I'd
Speaker 1: be at the old mall there you got. We'd hang
Speaker 1: out and get lunch to you. I think I once
Speaker 1: got a cake there. It's a great place. This is
Speaker 1: this is fun. Actually I didn't really think. I didn't
Speaker 1: make sense that we're going in this direction. But it's
Speaker 1: fun to talk a little oral history of the podcast
Speaker 1: business here in this building, because yeah, Rich started the
Speaker 1: whole thing with the Rich Eyes and podcast. Damna Check
Speaker 1: came in under that rella doubt, and Dave gave Mark
Speaker 1: and I are first chance by putting on the back
Speaker 1: of our show. Then when we got together as a
Speaker 1: force and Rich was our first guest, which was kind
Speaker 1: of a really big deal for us, and uh that
Speaker 1: that to us gave us some legitimacy that you came
Speaker 1: on as our first way back when it's neat man like,
Speaker 1: I love planning flags around here. That's what I told
Speaker 1: Actually when I first got hired by Steve Bornstein, and
Speaker 1: I got a phone call in the middle of July. Okay,
Speaker 1: like my last sports Center was in late May. When
Speaker 1: I left the sports Center said I had no earthly
Speaker 1: idea it was in fact my last sports centator for
Speaker 1: a few days left to negotiate that all went to hell,
Speaker 1: and then I got married a week later. Um, and
Speaker 1: then on my honeymoon is where I signed the NFL
Speaker 1: network contract. And then later on that summer, I was
Speaker 1: just getting ready to transition to move from Bristol out
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles, and I got a little bit and
Speaker 1: I got a phone call from an NFL executive I
Speaker 1: had literally never heard of. I mean like, I was
Speaker 1: not very well versed in the NFL world when I
Speaker 1: got hired here. Um, I was a baseball guy on
Speaker 1: ESPN and so um. Other than Paul tag Lebu, I
Speaker 1: didn't know anybody else who was in the NFL power
Speaker 1: structure in any way, shape or form. So I called
Speaker 1: up Bornstein and I'm like, you know, hey, Steve, I
Speaker 1: got a call from an NFL executive wants to meet
Speaker 1: with me. You know, like, what can you tell me?
Speaker 1: He goes, who was it? I'm like Roger Goodell and
Speaker 1: he goes, hang up the phone and call him now,
Speaker 1: don't talk, Like, don't say another word to me, hang up.
Speaker 1: Because he was the CEO at the time. He's always
Speaker 1: calling me. It's very annoying, but you know, I feel,
Speaker 1: you know, but it was. It was one of those
Speaker 1: things that we just got started and it was really
Speaker 1: very exciting. And he was from the beginning from get go, like,
Speaker 1: we have hired you to do a job, go out
Speaker 1: and do it. And if anybody ever gives you grief
Speaker 1: for the job, you know, you call me up and
Speaker 1: we'll try and and fix it. And you know, so
Speaker 1: coming here starting and planning the flag for And I
Speaker 1: told him, and I told everybody else, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: you hired me to plan a flag. I'll try as
Speaker 1: many as possible. And the fact that UM in this
Speaker 1: room is it's pretty cool. UM. And you know the
Speaker 1: reason you're the face rich as you're the face of
Speaker 1: NFL Network. You were the first face people saw in
Speaker 1: November two thousand three when they UM Network went on
Speaker 1: the air for the first time. And I was thinking
Speaker 1: about that as we look ahead now to what's going
Speaker 1: on in the NFL. UM. Back in November two thousand three,
Speaker 1: Drew Brees struggling in a second season with the Chargers
Speaker 1: as a starter, Eli Ben and Philip Revers. Rivers were
Speaker 1: seven months away from being drafted. Yeah, I interviewed Ben
Speaker 1: on the Total Access set prior to the draft. He
Speaker 1: was here UM as a fresh faced kid out of
Speaker 1: Miami of Ohio and a prospect, and we try to
Speaker 1: get as many prospects as they were here in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: And I interviewed him like what number would you you
Speaker 1: know why you number seven? And he said, because he
Speaker 1: loves James Bond. He wanted to meet Jessica Alba. I
Speaker 1: mean there's like a whole interview closed way to Baggy.
Speaker 1: I mean seriously, like we have I love those flashbacks,
Speaker 1: so but I mean it interrupted. No, no you didn't.
Speaker 1: But and then Tom Brady and Bill Belichick or cruising
Speaker 1: towards a Super Bowl. So some things have changed, some
Speaker 1: things have happened, but this is this is a time
Speaker 1: of change. Rich as someone that's been around the game
Speaker 1: as close as you have UH for years now, because
Speaker 1: you have UH Andrew Luck retiring, Foals gets injured, Sam
Speaker 1: Donald gets motto, but Big Ben and Drew brees with
Speaker 1: these injuries. Cam Um, who was such a big when
Speaker 1: when Mark and I came to the company in two
Speaker 1: thousand ten and when Cam showed up a year later
Speaker 1: that was such a huge deal. And now you don't
Speaker 1: know what's going on with his career, does feel like
Speaker 1: a time of transition, right. I do agree with that, Um,
Speaker 1: And the neat thing is is, as of about two
Speaker 1: three years ago, a lot of the conversation was around
Speaker 1: who's going to be next. We also thought by Brady
Speaker 1: would be long gone by age forty two also, but
Speaker 1: we were wondering who is going to be that next
Speaker 1: generation is Peyton Manning was was transitioning out and retiring,
Speaker 1: and Mahomes is a revelation. Dak Prescott has been nothing
Speaker 1: short of absolutely phenomenal, and I think is one more
Speaker 1: of those performances away from actually getting the majority of
Speaker 1: football fans to feel that he deserves the big fat
Speaker 1: contract that he's going to get. Um, you've got Wentz
Speaker 1: and golf, Josh Allen is two and oh is We're
Speaker 1: currently sitting here and you might be the Fluke whatever,
Speaker 1: but the two and o quarterbacks are also including Jimmy
Speaker 1: g and you know, Lamar Jackson, John Watson. We're seeing
Speaker 1: that already, which is why you're beginning to see. I
Speaker 1: think maybe Daniel Jones is going to get a start
Speaker 1: because he's more mobile and obviously couldn't be less mobile,
Speaker 1: couldn't be who is That's true. So again, I think
Speaker 1: you are seeing of a transition in a way that
Speaker 1: nobody even saw coming a few years ago. Um, all right,
Speaker 1: it's great to have Rich here, and by the way,
Speaker 1: keep an eye out. Rich is a part of it.
Speaker 1: By the way, before you transition to something else, you
Speaker 1: speed bumped over Donald has motto, I mean like you
Speaker 1: just kept about we're gonna get into you kept going
Speaker 1: like that was normal. Yeah, okay, I mean it's been
Speaker 1: richly covered this show. He was commiserating with Rich on
Speaker 1: DM about the Jets a week ago, lamenting, you know,
Speaker 1: whether or not Donald was the guy and whether the
Speaker 1: Jets were a team to be excited about or be
Speaker 1: afraid of. And then the next day he comes down
Speaker 1: with the teenagers the disease to me, you know, do
Speaker 1: you want to get into this now? Do you want to?
Speaker 1: I don't want to mess copy of what you want
Speaker 1: to do? Did we do? You know that I can't
Speaker 1: sometimes just lay back and be a guest, but I
Speaker 1: will do that. Okay. Let me just first of all
Speaker 1: and modest our producer Erica rich should have had a rundown,
Speaker 1: by the way, do not put that on. We were
Speaker 1: we were taking our notes from me. I really appreciate
Speaker 1: it when we came on the Rich Eyes and show.
Speaker 1: Yes we didn't. There wasn't you know. We talked for
Speaker 1: a minute beforehand just to say hi, you come and
Speaker 1: talk rundown. It was beautiful, as opposed to some of
Speaker 1: the shows here where you have to go through every
Speaker 1: single point everyone's gonna makest loose, very loose rundown. So
Speaker 1: Rich is gonna there's the run though. Rich is going
Speaker 1: to sit in with us through some news around the league.
Speaker 1: But before we get to that, we'll go over the
Speaker 1: last game played in Week two of the two thousand
Speaker 1: and nineteen NFL season, and it did involve my Jets
Speaker 1: and Marx Brown's hit it. Ricky, here's make Peel throwing
Speaker 1: and it felt. Tell back up here and you're in
Speaker 1: the clear Corty piece of fifty. He trended in the forty.
Speaker 1: He's going into the end Zune ten touchdown. He's a
Speaker 1: ripe back in the end hit stadium, eighty nine yards.
Speaker 1: Oh b J Indeed, Oh b J goes off on
Speaker 1: a big day and his return to the meadowlands. Six catches,
Speaker 1: one sixty one and a touch UH and the Cleveland
Speaker 1: Browns cruise passed the undermanned UH New York Jets twenty
Speaker 1: three to three at MetLife Stadium. The Browns get back
Speaker 1: to one who won the Jets and deep trouble at
Speaker 1: owned two. With a lot more tough games coming up
Speaker 1: on the schedule, what were your thoughts Rich watching this game? Well,
Speaker 1: It's tough to pick out what the most Jets moment
Speaker 1: is dan Um. Could it be Um blowing the sixteen
Speaker 1: point lead at home in week one in Division two
Speaker 1: Arrival that you have dead two rights because they couldn't
Speaker 1: stop turning the ball over in the first half in
Speaker 1: Jets and Building, Or could it be Um having Odell
Speaker 1: Beckham point out what is plainly obvious to so many
Speaker 1: people who cover the National Football League is that Greg
Speaker 1: Williams has a reputation? Uh. Could it be Greg Williams
Speaker 1: then being given the podium by the Jets to make
Speaker 1: the situation far worse by saying he's never done anything
Speaker 1: like that, even though there's actual legal testimony to refute
Speaker 1: that someone on the Jet staff right. Or could it
Speaker 1: be that he then would call Odell Beckham not dynamics
Speaker 1: only have in point to the Giants as proof since
Speaker 1: they've been such great grocery shoppers of late as well.
Speaker 1: Could it be Odell Beckham then going on that turf
Speaker 1: and ripping one off for eight nine yards through Greg
Speaker 1: Williams defense. Or could it be or could it be
Speaker 1: that the Jets have the football gods point out have
Speaker 1: something occur to their savior that points out a his
Speaker 1: youth and inexperience. B also his tag him in a
Speaker 1: way with the moniker of unreliable because he doesn't answer
Speaker 1: the bell for weeks at a time, in a way
Speaker 1: that others who have been given the opportunity as a
Speaker 1: top five pick have been able to answer the bell
Speaker 1: all the time. Top fifteen. But let's go top, Let's
Speaker 1: go first round. Could there be an odd illness that
Speaker 1: the football gods would bestow upon this young man at
Speaker 1: the outset of a Monday night football game, just before
Speaker 1: they take on the Patriots on the road. Could that
Speaker 1: be possible? Yes, But that's not the most Jets thing.
Speaker 1: The most Jets thing, I have saved it on my phone.
Speaker 1: I have saved it on my phone. The most Jets
Speaker 1: thing of all of Monday Night Football was ESPN putting
Speaker 1: up a graphic during Monday Night Football of Donald's standing
Speaker 1: there with the hero shot, as they make all players
Speaker 1: do in front of a green screen to use during
Speaker 1: broadcasts of the subsequent year, standing there in the hero
Speaker 1: shot and it says out indefinitely mononucleosis in like a
Speaker 1: thousand exactly. That wasn't the most Jets moment. No, you
Speaker 1: got to it. The most Jets moment was him then
Speaker 1: as they roll tape, pointing to the screen that you
Speaker 1: the man, I'm the man. That's right, that's right, I've
Speaker 1: got moto. Yes, the most Jets moment of all the
Speaker 1: slow handles, like the pregnant pause, like twins are kind
Speaker 1: of come out of at some point, at some point
Speaker 1: there is like an ESPN like they were having to
Speaker 1: get in the graphics. Look, I made this, it's a
Speaker 1: great shot. We use it anyway, forgotten it. There wasn't
Speaker 1: enough time to redo the graphic and roll that nobody
Speaker 1: won't even think of. And and poor Sam, you know,
Speaker 1: because again, if I'm a quarterback in the NFL, you know,
Speaker 1: like I've got a little bit of you know, for
Speaker 1: the lack of a better way of putting it, like
Speaker 1: a little bit of Aaron Rodgers in me where I
Speaker 1: look at everything, askance. I'm always thinking that this could
Speaker 1: turn out to be. And I'm sorry that this word
Speaker 1: is not appropriate if your podcast little douch okay, Like
Speaker 1: what like I tell him, I tell all the time
Speaker 1: here in the history of the NFL network is we've
Speaker 1: shot promos. I will not do fun with football. I
Speaker 1: will not do what they do at CBS, which is
Speaker 1: James Brown, who I love. Here's a football, Hey, Boomer,
Speaker 1: you've got it. No, coward's got it. We're not going
Speaker 1: to do the forced hilarity. I refused to do it.
Speaker 1: I will walk it for actual chemistry. They all know
Speaker 1: here at this network, in every promotional department, if you
Speaker 1: want me to have fun with football, it ain't happening.
Speaker 1: Like I might hold it out. I might do that.
Speaker 1: They sometimes want me to take it in the right hand,
Speaker 1: flip it to the left, because it never know when
Speaker 1: it can be used that you look doc. And in
Speaker 1: the case of Sam Donald, God bless him, ESPN is like,
Speaker 1: all right, Sam, now stand there, now stand at you're
Speaker 1: turning your left. That's it. No, a little bit more right,
Speaker 1: shoulder front, Okay, there you got it now point now,
Speaker 1: point there you go. We're gonna use that when you
Speaker 1: have motto. Okay, right. It's any man with swollen internal
Speaker 1: organs is going through enough at the moment is at risk? Man?
Speaker 1: What are we doing? They They said today that Donald
Speaker 1: told reporters that when he saw Trevor Simeon, Uh, what
Speaker 1: do you think Sam did when he was sitting in
Speaker 1: his apartment in Paramus, New Jersey, and and saw that
Speaker 1: graphic come up. Um, by the way, I just and
Speaker 1: I want to get to the Browns mark because you
Speaker 1: deserve it, because you're back on. Sorry, you're back on.
Speaker 1: But I thought the most Jets thing of all is
Speaker 1: the only good thing that team has left to me
Speaker 1: right now is Jamal Adams and how he was playing
Speaker 1: his ass off at the end. Another story him, And
Speaker 1: that's Greg Williams written all over too. I could just
Speaker 1: imagine Bud Kilmer on the sideline being like, get his
Speaker 1: ass out of the game anyway. So the Jets are
Speaker 1: a mess, and we know they're a mess, and with
Speaker 1: the schedule ahead, it's gonna get uglier before it gets
Speaker 1: They have their own overall selection at the quarterback in
Speaker 1: this game. Patriots don't have. Aren't haven't cornered the market
Speaker 1: on overall selected quarterback. That's a very sunny and at
Speaker 1: least at least and then I'm done, Okay, at least
Speaker 1: with the Jets having a guy named Thicking, they now
Speaker 1: have a guy named Falk just for the headline writers
Speaker 1: in time for being a twenty two point underdog. There
Speaker 1: there is there is another world here. Where and look,
Speaker 1: nothing is that's happening to the jets here. Here's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Where it is? You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a support group. It's a
Speaker 1: support group. And you're out of congratulations. Well uh look no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I know you don't only here it. Baker Mayfield is
Speaker 1: a thousand percent the real deal in a way that
Speaker 1: we've yet to see Donald b Donald seeing it. This month.
Speaker 1: The one moment that Donald has has ever shown like, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's got it was when he overcame his own pick
Speaker 1: six mistake to start week one. Other than that or
Speaker 1: that all right, you know what, his ankles all banged up.
Speaker 1: He's coming back late in the season where he knows
Speaker 1: his coach is a dead man walking, and he's still
Speaker 1: thrown out there. Baker Mayfield has planted his flag in
Speaker 1: the middle of the Cleveland fan base and say follow
Speaker 1: me to freedom. And he has done it. And and
Speaker 1: the throws that he we saw where our eyes popped
Speaker 1: out of our heads at the combine, Mayhawk was sitting
Speaker 1: next to me and and DJ was chiming into that
Speaker 1: deep middle throw just comes out like a cannon out
Speaker 1: of his arm. It's not just you know, the moxie,
Speaker 1: and it's not like him creating place. He's stepping back,
Speaker 1: hitting his back foot and delivering serious professional football throws
Speaker 1: with regularity. And we saw it last night. So congratulations, man,
Speaker 1: I'm not putting. You're out. You're out, You're out, You're off.
Speaker 1: And Myles Garrett, Myles Garrett is no conscience, He's no conscious.
Speaker 1: He's coming to wreck you and correct, He's coming to
Speaker 1: wreck you. He's coming to wreck your line and steal
Speaker 1: your soul. That's what Mark has always wanted from the brand.
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna stand up. Although, according to ESPN's Booger McFarland,
Speaker 1: when Jamal Adams is aggressive, he's selfish. When Myles Garrett
Speaker 1: is aggressive, he's like, hey, they don't let us play anymore.
Speaker 1: And I know Booger is on your show, Um, but
Speaker 1: that that was that was awful. Bugger. Let's let's let's
Speaker 1: set up the mound mark because it's cathartic and I
Speaker 1: understand the need for that. This this was obviously a
Speaker 1: much needed win. And I'll and I'll say this, I
Speaker 1: didn't think Baker played that well last night. I thought
Speaker 1: the Jets defense. That why Greg Williams was so furious
Speaker 1: on the sidelines after that Odell back and play was
Speaker 1: not just because the game basically got iced on an
Speaker 1: eighty nine yard touchdown, which was a killer. It was
Speaker 1: also because the Jets d really played well despite being
Speaker 1: undermanned against a far superior offensive unit, and that all
Speaker 1: got washed away. He knew that was happening. But let's
Speaker 1: focus on where the Browns are, because not only are
Speaker 1: they back to one on one, one on one, they
Speaker 1: also have a a f C North that doesn't have
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger involved anymore. And I feel like it kind
Speaker 1: of you're back to zero, You're okay, and it's time
Speaker 1: to move forward. This was a good first step. I
Speaker 1: I guess to be honest, because despite the fact that
Speaker 1: I'm out of the club, that you guys are members
Speaker 1: of it at the moment, the private world of crap
Speaker 1: I hear you. I came out of last night's game,
Speaker 1: not the whole lead up to the game. Was rather
Speaker 1: joyous because on this show we had spent months and
Speaker 1: we we wager sandwiches back and forth on various NFL
Speaker 1: elements in the In the Baker Donald Part two, after
Speaker 1: last year's so clearly, you know, emotionally was on Cleveland
Speaker 1: tilting towards the Browns doing what they did, and you thought,
Speaker 1: it's in New York, why not have it flipped this
Speaker 1: way and had this be the new duel between as
Speaker 1: you said, the new wave of quarterbacks that have arrived.
Speaker 1: We didn't get that. The whole thing was a rather
Speaker 1: joyless affair. From that angle. As a Browns fan, I
Speaker 1: didn't want if you win, everyone's gonna say you should
Speaker 1: have won based on everything the way the table was set.
Speaker 1: Obviously had they lost, and there was a moment in
Speaker 1: the game where with you know, Luke Falkon there and
Speaker 1: the Jets are rolling, thought the Browns should be up
Speaker 1: in this game about three Well, there was one dry
Speaker 1: as a Browns I'm allowed to. I'm allowed to, you
Speaker 1: said going into the game, you had a terrible psychic
Speaker 1: energy about you. Call us to trust that are gonna
Speaker 1: lose this. I did had no confidence in them winning,
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm not We don't.
Speaker 1: You guys dealt with a lot more in the past
Speaker 1: week and it continues. I'm not gonna bemoan the Browns
Speaker 1: but I came out of it with a fair amount
Speaker 1: of concern. And you look at the fact that they
Speaker 1: have a short week to play the Rams, they then
Speaker 1: play the Ravens on the road where they've they're about
Speaker 1: one in twenty and since next five opponents are all
Speaker 1: two and oh right, the next opponents right, Because there
Speaker 1: was in in August, we we threw around some scenarios
Speaker 1: that could be thorny for teams, and I mentioned the
Speaker 1: Browns on the show starting one in five. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't just me trying to be wildly pessimistic. It is
Speaker 1: if there is a roadmap for that to happen because
Speaker 1: of who they're playing, and because I look at Cleveland
Speaker 1: and it just felt out before that Odell Beckham play,
Speaker 1: they they were out of sync. And even last year's
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield inside that offense experience had a little more
Speaker 1: daring do and some trickery, and to me just I
Speaker 1: thought he was playing outside of his head and I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. Think Greg Williams, maybe he
Speaker 1: knows him better. Baker Mayfield was legit confused on some
Speaker 1: of those I know that, and again he still he
Speaker 1: still was in his second year. You need n't play
Speaker 1: a full year last year, Mark and you know and
Speaker 1: and uh, what I would take out of that last
Speaker 1: night is I a few things I don't buy into.
Speaker 1: The whole should beat anybody? Okay, that whole business of
Speaker 1: Lamar did it against the crappy Dolphins. Well, you know what, No,
Speaker 1: you still have to when Hollywood Brown has two steps,
Speaker 1: put it on him. When you do have somebody who's
Speaker 1: got mark Ingram hit the whole. You do have to
Speaker 1: hold onto the football. You do have to do the
Speaker 1: right things. You have to have the killer instinct as well.
Speaker 1: And the thing that I was totally mystified about with
Speaker 1: the Browns last night, with all the good things that
Speaker 1: we saw, I thought the line was vastly improved. I
Speaker 1: thought the defense was just lights out. I thought Myles
Speaker 1: Garrett that is on the resume week two of the
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen Defensive Player of the Year on Monday
Speaker 1: Night football grown ass man becoming a bigger grown ass man.
Speaker 1: I loved it. I thought it was terrific. Now my
Speaker 1: concern was what's going on with Freddie Kitchens Week one?
Speaker 1: An absurd number of penalties and dumb penalties. They clean
Speaker 1: that up, They clean that up, which is all they
Speaker 1: need to do to win, because their talent is far
Speaker 1: superior to the Jets, especially when you, as you call
Speaker 1: them undermanned. I I didn't miss that moniker that you
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier. But before the half, you're up thirteen to three.
Speaker 1: It's third and tenor in your own forty. They called
Speaker 1: time out. They come out and they run a running
Speaker 1: play and then go ahead and try and get the
Speaker 1: Jets to call a time out and trick them into
Speaker 1: calling time out, and burned the time out, burn of
Speaker 1: time all the way down to a minute five, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, where's the Freddie Kitchens two thousand eighteen, Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield daring do I understand that the defense was confusing, whatever,
Speaker 1: but go hurry up. Let's go and and and and
Speaker 1: nail and nail the Jets right through the heart right
Speaker 1: before send them into halftime down twenty three. Instead, they
Speaker 1: punt and Gaze made the mistake of from the ten
Speaker 1: yard line with Luke Falk. Let's throw one over the middle.
Speaker 1: And even if I forget, but it's Bell whoever, and
Speaker 1: I don't even know the name. He drops the ball,
Speaker 1: which gives Freddie Kitchens a free pass with the one
Speaker 1: time out he didn't have left to call. He had
Speaker 1: two left, not three. So then he gets the ball
Speaker 1: back and Kitchens gets three out of it when he
Speaker 1: deserves zero out of it. And why would Adam Gaze think,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna try and get some points
Speaker 1: on the board with Luke Falk you when the Jets
Speaker 1: were setting the record last night for most second and
Speaker 1: twenty three's from inside their own five yard line because
Speaker 1: of the million holding penalty, you mean, call right now
Speaker 1: a little bit until it was concerned about that, Like,
Speaker 1: what's like is Freddy focus? I think there was whispers
Speaker 1: Freddie and Todd munkin the o C who doesn't call plays,
Speaker 1: that there was some abrasive scenario between them, which you know,
Speaker 1: you want to just dismiss until it becomes a thing,
Speaker 1: and it's not a thing at this point. But there
Speaker 1: were other whispers that Freddy Kitchens was not the guy
Speaker 1: that set the offense on fire last year. They haven't,
Speaker 1: they haven't been hasn't think in the first two weeks.
Speaker 1: I don't think Baker Mayfield's come out and it's two
Speaker 1: weeks now and come out and been as you know,
Speaker 1: aggressive has had in many big throws. He's had the
Speaker 1: big time throws, but he also has four interceptions, He's
Speaker 1: taken eight sacks. He's not as decisive. It hasn't been
Speaker 1: two great weeks for him. Maybe it is the Greg
Speaker 1: Williams factor, but you have to feel good that the defense,
Speaker 1: which I think can save their floor in terms of
Speaker 1: making it so that the offense doesn't need to be
Speaker 1: they showed up. Then again, they're playing a Jets team,
Speaker 1: who you know, maybe even if Sam Donald was there,
Speaker 1: we would be talking about they're one of the worst
Speaker 1: teams in the league. I think that's one of the
Speaker 1: things I'm not saying. You you want Sam Donald there,
Speaker 1: of of course you do, but there's a scenario here
Speaker 1: where his absence is covering up some other issues that
Speaker 1: they have. Their offensive line has been a disaster through
Speaker 1: two weeks, and they're just a little a little inconsistent
Speaker 1: on it. Also, that's same Brown's defense, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: the entire game, but they got worked over by the
Speaker 1: Titans for an eighteen twenty minute chunk of that game
Speaker 1: where they were tired out, and it was the offense too.
Speaker 1: But I I would say Cleveland right now is not
Speaker 1: even close to looking like a playoff team. They look
Speaker 1: like they have some issues to work out despite known talent.
Speaker 1: Well they have, and they have a very difficult schedule
Speaker 1: coming up, but so does the rest of the National
Speaker 1: Football May I close this out with one yes, crazy
Speaker 1: asked Hinfoil had suggestion for the New York Jets. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm here, Okay, I want to just give a little
Speaker 1: bit of a history lesson to the younger audience of
Speaker 1: the Around the NFL podcast. Okay, um, Way before the
Speaker 1: Patriots were the Patriots as we currently know them, the
Speaker 1: Jets and the Dolphins had the most bad blooded rivalry
Speaker 1: in the American Football Conference Eastern Division, hands down. The
Speaker 1: whole bit. The eighties were all about Don Shula wedding
Speaker 1: the field for the a f C championship game because
Speaker 1: Freeman McNeil was coming into town after they let the
Speaker 1: top that they let it just rain, no tarp on
Speaker 1: the field, the old Orange Bowl, and a J. Dewey
Speaker 1: with three picks. It's terrible. So all of that, the
Speaker 1: fake Spike Dan Marino being drafted after Kenn o'bron parton
Speaker 1: me O'Brien drafted before, just terrible. What the Dolphins are
Speaker 1: doing right now, what the Dolphins are doing right now,
Speaker 1: this naked tank job that is going on in the
Speaker 1: NFL right now, because we have to call it what
Speaker 1: it is. It is beyond the pale, because they're amassing
Speaker 1: all these picks. And Chris Greer even said it today
Speaker 1: when he spoke today, that they can have any player
Speaker 1: they want in the draft, and we know which player
Speaker 1: they want in the draft. It's I heard about this
Speaker 1: at the draft in Dallas, three months after TWA was
Speaker 1: put in the game by Nick Saban out of the
Speaker 1: blue to beat Georgia in overtime. I heard it at
Speaker 1: that draft in Dallas. The Dolphins want to We all
Speaker 1: know that's what they want. The Jets should tell Sam
Speaker 1: stay home, Sam, Sam, stay home because we're concerned about
Speaker 1: your spleen. Whatever it's we gotta be. We're taking the
Speaker 1: long view on Sam Spleen, whatever, whatever, whatever they want
Speaker 1: to concoct. And the Jets should tank worse. They should
Speaker 1: when the Dolphins come into town, play worse, tank worse,
Speaker 1: finish first overall, and come to the Dolphins say you
Speaker 1: want to ah too bad. You can't have him. Say
Speaker 1: to the rest of the NFL, hey who wants to
Speaker 1: and about ten teams will raise their hands and hand
Speaker 1: Joe Douglas a million picks, and Chris Greer could sit
Speaker 1: there with all of his picks and take Herbert from Oregon,
Speaker 1: which we know that now they don't cover him, and
Speaker 1: whoever else they want. And tough, tough dolphins. We tank harder, harder,
Speaker 1: screw you over for a j Dewey and the fake spike.
Speaker 1: It's bitter, it's awesome, it'll it's nuts. It won't happen,
Speaker 1: nor should it. But it's a great idea that I
Speaker 1: want to bring to his many deer gates. The extra
Speaker 1: spiteful nature of not doing the trade I thought you
Speaker 1: were going towards. The Dolphins will be so desperate that
Speaker 1: they'll pull a dick Ricky Williams and give the Jets.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. You don't know what you said. Sam's
Speaker 1: savior right now. You don't get it. Your tank was
Speaker 1: for nothing, and they have it within their power because
Speaker 1: they the Dolphins twice, the Dolphins. You could make sure
Speaker 1: that two wins and they go one. You got it,
Speaker 1: you got the single. It's in their hands. They could
Speaker 1: do it. If you thought Adam Gaze's body language is bad.
Speaker 1: Now he will collapse within himself. He will not make
Speaker 1: it to week. My problem, I'm telling Buffalo Bills is
Speaker 1: the only organization and the division with an adult in
Speaker 1: the room. If I ever own a boat, though, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be calling it naked tank job, naked float around
Speaker 1: on the season. By the way, this is like I
Speaker 1: saw that in cinemax. By the way, Shannon Tweed was
Speaker 1: great tank All right, So rich, do you want to
Speaker 1: sit in on news? How much? How much time? I got? No? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got ten more minutes? All right, it's time flies
Speaker 1: when you're giving tinfoil having theories. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'll survive, but I like the theory. Of course. It
Speaker 1: makes look. Sam's got to have playing time. Gaze has
Speaker 1: got to have a shot. I totally get it. But
Speaker 1: what the Dolphins are doing, somebody's gotta take, somebody's gotta take.
Speaker 1: You've got to prevent it. The one person, one team
Speaker 1: that can prevent it is a team that's already owing
Speaker 1: to that's tanking without really even knowing it. Right now,
Speaker 1: the mono is doing the tank job for you for
Speaker 1: at least another three weeks. He'll come back, He'll be
Speaker 1: a shell of himself. It'll take two more weeks. They
Speaker 1: can try as hard as they want. They'll be Owen
Speaker 1: six oh and seven because they play the Patriots twice
Speaker 1: in weeks three weeks seven. That's two losses by the
Speaker 1: time the Dolphins come to town. Here's what you do.
Speaker 1: Just lay down, literally lay down. There's a dark course
Speaker 1: there in Carolina being run by a hedge fund manager
Speaker 1: and Kyle allen Thirt, and it will be strange. The
Speaker 1: highlights will be like, why is everybody knocked down? Like
Speaker 1: bowling pins? Is Josh Rosen runs untouched for eighty five yards? Like?
Speaker 1: It'll be what the hell? Well, you need to keep
Speaker 1: the theory? Who to announce it here? But then you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to keep down? Yeah, well why the Dolphins
Speaker 1: are doing it in playing some element of surprise? Though,
Speaker 1: you know, you know what rich Everything you're saying makes
Speaker 1: sense and it's interesting and I like it, but I
Speaker 1: also still can't believe it is September seventeen and this
Speaker 1: is what we're talking about with it. Let's do some news.
Speaker 1: What have that happened to Gary Cooper? The strong silent
Speaker 1: time that was an American We'll get to that in
Speaker 1: a minute, a few minutes, But let's start with the
Speaker 1: rundown of these injuries. Since we last spoke to you
Speaker 1: on Sunday, we now know that Drew Brees is going
Speaker 1: to have surgery on his torn ligament in his right thumb.
Speaker 1: Rap Sheet reports that the time frame for recoveries approximately
Speaker 1: six weeks. Um sean um Sean Payton has to now
Speaker 1: move forward west with Teddy Bridgewater, who has been, let's say,
Speaker 1: underwhelming in his limited time behind center. But now they're
Speaker 1: calling on Teddy to keep the ship afloat until Drew
Speaker 1: can come back. I think anybody who's ever met or
Speaker 1: spent time around Teddy Bridgewater wants him to succeed. But
Speaker 1: nothing we've seen from him in real game action since
Speaker 1: his catastrophic injury would give you confidence that he's going
Speaker 1: to succeed. And last week performance against the Rams, in
Speaker 1: which he got very little help from his running game
Speaker 1: or his receivers, the game was just too fast for him.
Speaker 1: So with a week of prep does that go away?
Speaker 1: But if I'm a Sames fan, that scares me, and
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna wander in the back of my mind,
Speaker 1: should Taysom Hill be quarterback in this team? I would
Speaker 1: like to say something you hit on the name that
Speaker 1: nobody's talking enough about. If you don't think Sean Payton
Speaker 1: sitting back here and saying, what do I have here
Speaker 1: at my disposal that I can use in the next
Speaker 1: six weeks? If you if you think the Ravens can
Speaker 1: suddenly turn on a dime last year and change their
Speaker 1: offense from Flacco to Lamar Jackson so successfully, and Sean
Speaker 1: Payton is the guy who can probably do that within
Speaker 1: literally five minutes. On the back of a cocktail napkin.
Speaker 1: I think Taysom Hill is gonna way more snaps than
Speaker 1: anybody thinks. And I would look for who is the
Speaker 1: third string? Do they have a third string? Just resigned
Speaker 1: J T. Barrett today? Right? That was the sign, Like
Speaker 1: I was like, let's see if they sign a third
Speaker 1: QB because and that's and this is Sean Payton just
Speaker 1: because he's Sean Payton. I mean, you think, Okay, your
Speaker 1: your your goat has a thumb injury that you know
Speaker 1: is serious enough he can't grip the ball, so you're
Speaker 1: just gonna take the backup, put him out there and
Speaker 1: your third stringer, let's make him a slot receiver. I
Speaker 1: mean who does that sort of stuff, Somebody who's got
Speaker 1: the right amount of crazy like Sean Payton. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I want to see it's gonna be. We're about to
Speaker 1: to the point where I'm thinking of picking him up
Speaker 1: in fantasy. I'm sorry, Don't you think that the point
Speaker 1: is to get a difference maker, not a guy who's average.
Speaker 1: Don't you think he's going to see a ton more
Speaker 1: snaps out there in the perfect time to uncork it
Speaker 1: is in Seattle first week. Nobody's thinking fantasy player though.
Speaker 1: I don't know, But you can all those other guys
Speaker 1: you mentioned or even and you can pick any of
Speaker 1: them up off the waiver. Witers stopping him from doing it,
Speaker 1: No one stopping him from doing it. He invested a
Speaker 1: third round pick in Teddy Bridgewater, then he signed him
Speaker 1: for seven and a half million dollars. He's invested a
Speaker 1: lot of practice time. I don't think Teddy Bridgewaters looked comfortable.
Speaker 1: He needs to pull the trigger a little faster when
Speaker 1: he's buying center. But Sean Payton's the offensive genius. There's
Speaker 1: nothing more. Just like Bill Belichick loved going eleven and
Speaker 1: five with Matt Castle more than practically anything he's probably
Speaker 1: ever done. Sean Payton wants to show that he can
Speaker 1: run this offense and that they can light people up.
Speaker 1: Whether it's with Teddy, whether it's with Tayston Hill. You're right,
Speaker 1: it'll probably be some combination of the two. But right
Speaker 1: now he believes Teddy Bridgewater is his best option. But
Speaker 1: at this point, because you're running on a time with Breeze,
Speaker 1: no matter what I mean, they are in full blown
Speaker 1: hunt for the franchise quarterback of the future. I know
Speaker 1: you got to look at both these guys and find
Speaker 1: out what you have. You got Steve Young, that's what
Speaker 1: they keep calling on. I think Taysom Hill's is what
Speaker 1: he's thinking. I guess by the way of Famer, if
Speaker 1: he's that good, he should be playing what Yeah, what
Speaker 1: I'm thinking is you have to You can't be looking
Speaker 1: at Teddy Bridgewater is the plug in answer without challenging
Speaker 1: him this season with Taysom Hill and then challenging with
Speaker 1: every other option you can and if Breeze goes down, well,
Speaker 1: you guys all have your laptops that I don't know
Speaker 1: if you have the ability to call it up like this,
Speaker 1: But how many how many snaps does Taysom Hill get
Speaker 1: with Breeze. It feels like it's five six a game
Speaker 1: right with Breeze with the goat where they split number
Speaker 1: nine out wide right and sometimes they'll do it in
Speaker 1: the red zone and you're like, with that, So you
Speaker 1: don't think he'll double that with Teddy Bridgewater now and
Speaker 1: just and and and and come as close as they've
Speaker 1: ever seen to a two quarterback offense. I could see
Speaker 1: the play snaps last week. I could see he rescues
Speaker 1: him as a tight end or slot receiver when he's
Speaker 1: your backup quarterback. Well that's why they signed J. T. Barrett.
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, like it might make sense that to
Speaker 1: do that that when you're already on your backup. We
Speaker 1: saw last night with the Jets. I mean they almost
Speaker 1: went to didn't I did? You? Were you the one
Speaker 1: who tweeted out like yeah, I was curious, and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, you know these assaulters confirmed it
Speaker 1: was Browning test to Lucas or brook Penning Penning. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's let's give one star where prepare for the opponent,
Speaker 1: Where Sean preparing. It's gonna think he was playing with
Speaker 1: a bunch of backups and and and against backups. Well
Speaker 1: that's fair, but I mean but not three starts? Are four? No,
Speaker 1: but just the offensive line and that I think you're
Speaker 1: at thirty six snap slash right, how many this year?
Speaker 1: Already twenty something? We're already seeing a massive uptick, right,
Speaker 1: sandwiches and other news. Ben Roethlisberger yes out for the year.
Speaker 1: That elbow injury UM that he suffered was serious enough
Speaker 1: that it's going to require surgery. Here was Big Ben's statement,
Speaker 1: this is shocking and heartbreaking for me to miss this
Speaker 1: much of a season and feel like I'm letting down
Speaker 1: so many people. I can only trust God's plan, but
Speaker 1: I am lely determined to battle through the challenge and
Speaker 1: come back stronger than ever next year. Crushing blow Mark
Speaker 1: for the Steelers, who um are O and two. And
Speaker 1: this is a season that had Super Bowl expectations And
Speaker 1: now you turn it over to Mason Rudolph And I
Speaker 1: saw your twitter, Mark, and I thought the same thing
Speaker 1: watching this game that he looks like he can play
Speaker 1: a little bit. Rudol would be interesting to see give
Speaker 1: him a full week and see if he could sling
Speaker 1: a little bit, because he seemed under control and and
Speaker 1: he made some nice throws, but please, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is a big drop off from the last season's passing leader.
Speaker 1: It is. I don't know if last year, even last
Speaker 1: year's Big Ben was the big bend that we've grown
Speaker 1: accustomed to in general. It is interesting because Chris Mortenson
Speaker 1: reached right out to Jake Delone when he found out
Speaker 1: about this injury, and it was alone that went and
Speaker 1: had very similar Tommy john S surgery and came back
Speaker 1: the next year, went twelve and four and had one
Speaker 1: of his better years. So it's not the end of
Speaker 1: Big Ben. And the other problem is Big Ben's contract
Speaker 1: makes it utterly impossible to part with him next year
Speaker 1: from a cap and money standpoints. So I don't I
Speaker 1: think he's still in the in the in the in
Speaker 1: the docket for next season. But Mason Rudolf. To me,
Speaker 1: these things happen fast. And if Rudolph were to have
Speaker 1: one of those seasons where he captures the imagination of
Speaker 1: the Steelers fan base and saves what looks like they're
Speaker 1: a very good team still in their defense, if they
Speaker 1: can get a little bit more on track, they've got right.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a second. I mean, Mason
Speaker 1: Rudolph's in one of those interesting backup quarterback positions where
Speaker 1: you've got the it's kind of like any given Sunday
Speaker 1: scenario where you've got what's his name, the aging guy
Speaker 1: on a quad and you've got you know, we've got
Speaker 1: the new guy coming. And I kind of liked Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 1: I think he's gotta They've tried to find backups to
Speaker 1: Big Bend for a while and they've all been Jabronis.
Speaker 1: This guy is a little different, and I think the
Speaker 1: coaching staff likes him a lot. Was it was it
Speaker 1: a guy named Mike Jabroni, Mike Jabrowni. They had ted
Speaker 1: jib Brownie not talking about the left, which wasn't a fine.
Speaker 1: Big Ben's successful. They've been drafting guys as yes, and
Speaker 1: it's exciting and we'll see how it goes. A couple
Speaker 1: of things. One, uh, shameless self promotion the grind on
Speaker 1: epics tomorrow night. Um, there's two, there's two, Yes, there's two. Features.
Speaker 1: One is Charles Woodson with the Patriots and Dolphins, and
Speaker 1: Charles caught up with Brady and did ask him about
Speaker 1: the the tuck rule. So number one, that's number one.
Speaker 1: Number two it was also um Bettis was in Pittsburgh, um,
Speaker 1: you know, in the stadium when Ben went through all this,
Speaker 1: and he did meet up with Juju Smith Schuster and
Speaker 1: its streamed to meet when he was asking about, you know,
Speaker 1: his new role. It seems it's gonna he's not fully
Speaker 1: adjusted as to being quote unquote the man then number
Speaker 1: one guy. It takes a lot, especially when everybody else
Speaker 1: is dropping the football left and right. Dante Montcrief is
Speaker 1: just suddenly like Edward Stonehan's um and so I'm I'm
Speaker 1: curious to see if Mason Rudolph will have the ability
Speaker 1: to move the offense. He definitely did a better job
Speaker 1: than Ben did in the first six quarters and just
Speaker 1: his two quarters in there, Judy smith Schuster had a
Speaker 1: sign of life that you know, well, Ben Ben once
Speaker 1: an offense sort of like what Aaron Rodgers used to have,
Speaker 1: the isolation routes where the receivers have to win one
Speaker 1: on one and he's playing from empty spread formations. They
Speaker 1: bring in Mason Rudolph and they're running sort of a
Speaker 1: more normal NFL offense where the receivers don't have to
Speaker 1: win one on one every route. So we'll see what
Speaker 1: happens Jimmy G's and the Diners are his first up.
Speaker 1: And then number two is we all know Pittsburgh Steeler
Speaker 1: fans very well. I mean I know a bunch of
Speaker 1: Obviously Damnishek is one of them. Do you and unlikable crowd? Well,
Speaker 1: that's just my opinion. Okay, understood, But do you know
Speaker 1: of any one's Pittsburgh stewdar fan one. I just want
Speaker 1: the name of one who has been comforted by the
Speaker 1: news that Jake Dilone came back. Well from this, I know,
Speaker 1: I know, is there one? Let's see, he came back
Speaker 1: and then got the worst contracts. Love Jake, but is
Speaker 1: there a single I mean, Rudolph. Rudolph's only a second year,
Speaker 1: so if he plays well, that's a good. Problem was
Speaker 1: I was surprised if people thought, oh this is this
Speaker 1: is the end of Ben Roethberg. No, he just signed
Speaker 1: a huge contract, no reason. Why more. Let me call Jake.
Speaker 1: Jake had that same injury stealer fans. Don't worry Jake
Speaker 1: came back. He'll be carried by his defense in his
Speaker 1: running game to the playoffs, and then he'll throw four
Speaker 1: interceptions against because maybe worse you to look at Chris
Speaker 1: Mortonson's Twitter feed from last night during Monday Night football.
Speaker 1: Just go back and look at it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a half scenario, but I think
Speaker 1: someone intered. Someone interpreted there were three rats, and I
Speaker 1: was thinking they're the rats jumping off the Dolphins ship.
Speaker 1: That was all right, Well, let's get to that. Um
Speaker 1: Dolphins they draft to make a Fitzpatrick and the two
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen Yeah, would jumping in the organic fish tank? Uh?
Speaker 1: They draft Patrick first round two thousand eighteen. He expresses,
Speaker 1: you know, displeasure with the organic fish tank. He says,
Speaker 1: I want out. And the Steelers, who aren't looking to
Speaker 1: throw in the towel on the season just because Ben's out,
Speaker 1: make a trade. Uh? They trade? Yeah, who trades twenty
Speaker 1: two year old defensive bout you choose in the first
Speaker 1: a year later? Who does that? It doesn't matter if
Speaker 1: he wants out. We're talking about and Chris carews like, hey,
Speaker 1: we told him we want you here. Man, coach wants
Speaker 1: you here, the owner who wants you here. Then the
Speaker 1: twenty two year old stays. But let's let's hear it
Speaker 1: from I mean, what are you talking about here? Is
Speaker 1: everyone getting get out of jail free card because they
Speaker 1: asked for let's let's hear from the GM with Minka.
Speaker 1: Just one of those things. Um. You know, the player
Speaker 1: expressed that, you know, maybe time for him to change,
Speaker 1: and so we tried to make your work myself. Brian
Speaker 1: Steve had multiple conversations with him about saying we wanted
Speaker 1: them here. I mean it was a core piece and
Speaker 1: one another something like this before the kid just felt
Speaker 1: it was time for him to move. And we told
Speaker 1: what the value was, told teams and we had multiple offers.
Speaker 1: Of course you did. He's year old, stuffs one best
Speaker 1: for the organization. He won he won the Best Defensive
Speaker 1: Back in College award like eighteen months ago. He's a
Speaker 1: guys you hold onto. Pardon me, I'm sorry. Lead to
Speaker 1: the guys you hold onto. You don't trade these guys.
Speaker 1: And here's here's a wake up call for the Dolphins
Speaker 1: and Dolphins fans. Chris Greer Um, who I've never met
Speaker 1: and I have heard nothing but the most respectful things about.
Speaker 1: I just have to say this. He could be uh
Speaker 1: George Young and times ten like to the tenth degree,
Speaker 1: like name the some of the greatest grocery shoppers and
Speaker 1: Drafters in the history of the NFL. He could be
Speaker 1: that to the tenth degree. You draft all these guys
Speaker 1: with all these picks next year, certainly when you don't
Speaker 1: get to it, because the Jets are gonna do what
Speaker 1: I say. But even with two of they can go
Speaker 1: Owen sixteen with two of the first year, you still
Speaker 1: have to when you hit the win it now button.
Speaker 1: Look at the Clippers. They would never have gotten Kauai
Speaker 1: and Paul George if they already didn't have the group here.
Speaker 1: Look at the Browns, your Browns who are out of purgatory.
Speaker 1: They still got enough people together on defense that when
Speaker 1: John Dorsey started turning all of these picks mostly on
Speaker 1: offense that they had into human beings on offense. There
Speaker 1: you can win the Dolphins even with you don't have
Speaker 1: a left tackle, you don't have a defensive back like
Speaker 1: Minke of Fitzpatrick. You hold onto these people. I never
Speaker 1: thought i'd see a team voluntarily turn itself into an
Speaker 1: expansion organization like this, and it's pathetic. Even from a
Speaker 1: competitive spirit angle, you can't win. You can't compete on
Speaker 1: a on a level playing field, and there is no
Speaker 1: more level playing field in pro sports than the borderline
Speaker 1: socialist structure or of the NFL, where you get carried
Speaker 1: along no matter what happens. Can't compete on that level,
Speaker 1: So they're stripping it down to the lowest level to
Speaker 1: give themselves an advantage in the draft. And it takes
Speaker 1: no special insight or acumen to strip your team down.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't. It takes a patient owner and extraordinarily
Speaker 1: uh downtrodden fan base bordering on apathy, and a hierarchy
Speaker 1: of the sport willing to look the other way or
Speaker 1: perhaps more accurately, throw their hands up because they have
Speaker 1: no solution while the competitive integrity is stained for the
Speaker 1: whole thing. It's just to me, the competitive spirit of sports.
Speaker 1: You're saying, I quit, I don't want to compete in
Speaker 1: this setting. Okay. I think they looked at though. I
Speaker 1: think they looked at Part of it was they looked
Speaker 1: at the Steelers. They see an O and two team
Speaker 1: that's starting Mason Rudolph, and they think, we got Minka Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 1: We've seen him. You're talking, this is a guy we keep.
Speaker 1: You're right, it's crazy that they trade him in Tonto,
Speaker 1: because you're just gonna have to replace them. These are
Speaker 1: guys in rookie contract that said Minka Fitzpatrick has played
Speaker 1: a thousand snaps in the NFL. Anyone that says this
Speaker 1: guy is a future superstar is just basing it off
Speaker 1: of a draft profile. They didn't they haven't watched all
Speaker 1: of his snaps. He's been fine. He hasn't make graded
Speaker 1: out number one one amongst slot corners on PFF last year.
Speaker 1: Like he's he's had up, he sat downs, he looks fine.
Speaker 1: My point is, I think they looked at the Steelers
Speaker 1: and they thought, could this be a top five pick?
Speaker 1: If there's a chance that it is, I guess we're
Speaker 1: just So what's the narrative here? Before I tap out?
Speaker 1: If you don't know, um, what is the narrative here?
Speaker 1: Is the narrative that Brian Flores was bringing to do
Speaker 1: your job defense to South Florida and making him uh
Speaker 1: perform in a scheme that wasn't to his That's what
Speaker 1: satisfaction or the best of his ability, that they were
Speaker 1: making him cover tight ends and it was something that
Speaker 1: he was complaining, was upset that he was playing strong. Okay,
Speaker 1: So so the question, so the questions are don't we
Speaker 1: don't we always and and rightfully so lionized the coaches
Speaker 1: who change their scheme to fit the people that they have, right, Like,
Speaker 1: that's what we say is the mark of an excellent coach,
Speaker 1: that we will change what we do to fit what
Speaker 1: our players do. We still have a philosophy, but we're
Speaker 1: we're we're we're flexible. So what does that say about
Speaker 1: Brian Flores that he's not going to be told what's
Speaker 1: best for the team by his his second year player.
Speaker 1: They didn't they in his mind, he was the best
Speaker 1: option to play that position because they don't have anyone
Speaker 1: to play that position, but they have someone to play
Speaker 1: slot cornerback. I'm not going to question Brian Flores is
Speaker 1: sort of defensive acumen, what's going to make his team
Speaker 1: the best? The question is like, why why do you
Speaker 1: listen to that twenty two year old and just trade
Speaker 1: him because he's unhappy? Like it's so bizarre, And I
Speaker 1: understand the guys who want to be here. I don't
Speaker 1: want him here anymore. But then let's how do we
Speaker 1: not make this work? Right? So let me ask you guys.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting show of faith by the Steelers, by
Speaker 1: the way, in Mason Rudolph and the team that they have,
Speaker 1: they should of course defense, it's missing only what to me,
Speaker 1: And this is why I think Mayock and Gruden went
Speaker 1: and got Antonio Brown, or Gruden got Antonio Brown and
Speaker 1: Mayok didn't. So over my dead body, um that that
Speaker 1: when you need to evaluate a quarterback, as I think
Speaker 1: Gruden still wanted to do with Derek Carr or still
Speaker 1: does even because because he's just he's he's constantly trying
Speaker 1: to change quarterbacks or kick tires on it. To evaluate
Speaker 1: that quarterback, you have to give that player protection. You
Speaker 1: have to give that player weaponry. You have to give
Speaker 1: that player the best ability to win with your offense
Speaker 1: because your defense is strong and quarterback. So the Steelers
Speaker 1: just I mean right, the Steelers just added make of Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 1: They see what their issues are in week two. They
Speaker 1: can see over the steering wheel. Okay, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to get somebody at this position. They're not gonna be
Speaker 1: as talented or maybe even as young. Is this guy
Speaker 1: if we draft him next year in the first round,
Speaker 1: get him. Let's do it now, and let's evaluate Mason
Speaker 1: Rudolph right now. And of course Tomlin's one of those
Speaker 1: defensive coaches that's his forte is the second. Let's see it.
Speaker 1: I can do it. That's the thing. Like, let's see
Speaker 1: the Steelers not ruin a highly drafted defensive back. Let's
Speaker 1: see Mike Tomlin have a top ten defense in the
Speaker 1: last seven or eight years. Hasn't happened once, and you
Speaker 1: look at the talent that they have. And I think
Speaker 1: that's one of the issues with Ben being out is
Speaker 1: a little more focus is going to be on Mike
Speaker 1: Tomlin and that's been a big problem in the first defense.
Speaker 1: Let's let's see if he can have a different speaking defense.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this last one for for
Speaker 1: me if you don't mind, because I do have to run,
Speaker 1: but I really enjoyed this chat here. Um, do you
Speaker 1: think we're seeing with the Dolphins? There's two choices. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's any gray area. Do you think we're
Speaker 1: seeing the coach Norman Dale moment where the fans are
Speaker 1: howling for his head and he's waving his game plan
Speaker 1: in the satchel at them. This is this is what
Speaker 1: I know, and it may be very unpopular right now,
Speaker 1: but I got this. Do you think that's what the
Speaker 1: Dolphins are doing right now? Or they went to Stephen
Speaker 1: Ross or Stephen Ross even went to them in his
Speaker 1: front office and said, uh, to A, we gotta get him.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get him. Whatever you need to do to
Speaker 1: get him. I don't care how much you raise it
Speaker 1: down to the ground. And I trust you, Chris Greer,
Speaker 1: to put players into these spots. And it's just gonna
Speaker 1: be an unmitigated long slog of a disaster. It's only
Speaker 1: there's really I don't think there's any gray area here
Speaker 1: because this sort of stuff doesn't wind up with a
Speaker 1: six and ten, eight and eight. And we'll see how
Speaker 1: it goes three four years down the road with the
Speaker 1: GM and coach like it's one of the two where
Speaker 1: it's gonna work out and Mile and High wins at all,
Speaker 1: or or Hickory wins at all, or we're gonna see
Speaker 1: something like your expert opinions, you guys seeing a ton
Speaker 1: of football, what do you think? My one thing is
Speaker 1: that I think I I am open minded to the
Speaker 1: idea of what they've done to make ensure they get
Speaker 1: the number one pick and ensure they don't get the
Speaker 1: third pick and someone else gets the best quarterback and
Speaker 1: they get up they get the second helpings and they
Speaker 1: continue to win four or five games and be the
Speaker 1: milk toast Dolphins that we've known all along. I feel
Speaker 1: like when you're allowing players to voice their displeasure and
Speaker 1: then be traded no matter what they say, it's not
Speaker 1: a precedent, that is the precedent. It just happened. And
Speaker 1: when you give up a left tackle who Daniel Jeremiah
Speaker 1: feels is a star left tackle, that's a very tough
Speaker 1: position to replace. Has the cut down gone too deep?
Speaker 1: Couldn't you have already gotten this quarterback with where you
Speaker 1: were a couple of weeks ago. Did you need to
Speaker 1: also give up? I think it canceled the top down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to answer your question, I think it came from the
Speaker 1: top down in January and Chris Carreer, who by the way,
Speaker 1: drafted who is there. That's is part of the confusing
Speaker 1: messaging of the entire Dolphin season. Chris Gray was there.
Speaker 1: I know he wasn't the top guy. He was the
Speaker 1: guy underneath Tannon bomb, but he was supposedly was pretty
Speaker 1: integral and drafting Menko Fitzpatrick and Ton So I think
Speaker 1: they presented this vision to try to get out of
Speaker 1: seven and nine and they're trying. Didn't you ensure the
Speaker 1: first pick though before? I think this is an enormous
Speaker 1: leap of faith that this is all gonna work out,
Speaker 1: and I think it has the potential to cripple a
Speaker 1: once proud organization for a decade and permanently hurt the brand.
Speaker 1: I think this way too much. Chack A look of
Speaker 1: the Raiders. They had three first round picks Mayok, who
Speaker 1: is as great a talent evaluator as there is. I
Speaker 1: don't care everyone's like Cleveland Farrell? Why him and not
Speaker 1: anyone else? Because if Mayok was on NFL Network talking
Speaker 1: about Cleveland Farrell and the Open for months, then all
Speaker 1: the fan bases that would think Mayock was crazy for
Speaker 1: taking Cleveland Farrell would be complaining to their team's general
Speaker 1: managers why didn't you listen to Mayok? Okay, So let's
Speaker 1: just say Mayok is as good as they come. He
Speaker 1: turned three first round picks into Farrell, Abram, and Jacobs.
Speaker 1: Those guys look like they are a great a material already,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately about Abram that he's out. But even that,
Speaker 1: what does that make the Raiders eight seven and nine,
Speaker 1: six and ten, nine and seven? If they're lucky, Like,
Speaker 1: when do you start hitting the winning now button when
Speaker 1: you're the Patriots in your division? Like this is all
Speaker 1: kinds of crazy to me, and I hope it does
Speaker 1: work out. I know a ton of Dolphin fans. But
Speaker 1: so you guys don't think he's this is coach Dale.
Speaker 1: They they know what they're doing and it's gonna work.
Speaker 1: They're gonna win it. What I don't think. I just
Speaker 1: think it's the plan under this front office, starting with
Speaker 1: the top. What have they shown that would lead you
Speaker 1: to believe they know what they're doing, that they're in
Speaker 1: on some secret that nobody else knows. Greer said something
Speaker 1: very interesting today. He made it he said, we're going
Speaker 1: to be aggressive in free agency. This is not going
Speaker 1: to be a long rebelt. He was saying, like we're
Speaker 1: playing they got in trouble in the first place, shopping
Speaker 1: in Arch for talent. Yeah next year. I mean, he
Speaker 1: made it sound like we're going to be aggressive and
Speaker 1: this is a short, short rebuild and it's not Flora's plan.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he must have been given assurances that
Speaker 1: he's not gonna you know, this isn't on hand, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get act right. It's not. And again, I'll just
Speaker 1: make this last point. The Clippers would have never gotten
Speaker 1: Kauai and Paul George to come the top free agents.
Speaker 1: They would never have chosen the Clippers if they didn't
Speaker 1: already have the idea of how to win. A coach
Speaker 1: who knows how to win in a front office that
Speaker 1: has the respective players like Kauai and Paul George, like
Speaker 1: Jerry West, and like uh Lawrence Frank. No chance which
Speaker 1: free agent in their right minds, despite how much money
Speaker 1: Stephen Ross might throw them say yeah, I'm ready, I'll
Speaker 1: go there and be part of a rebuild and try
Speaker 1: and win two three years from now. No chance. You
Speaker 1: have to have the ability to show what you're talking about, Chris.
Speaker 1: You can build a team through free agency in the NBA,
Speaker 1: you can turn your entire franchise around and one fell
Speaker 1: swoop like the Clippers did. You can't do that in
Speaker 1: the NFL with free agency. Those players aren't available. Rich Eisen, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: thank you for having me on. It was amazing having
Speaker 1: you here, Rich Uh and you know where to see
Speaker 1: what I think I talked too much now that you
Speaker 1: were awesome Game day morning on on Sundays after the games,
Speaker 1: you come back here and you watch the recaps rich
Speaker 1: in the whole Gang. Also the rich Podcast became the
Speaker 1: Rich Eyes and Show Monday to Friday noon to three eastern. Uh.
Speaker 1: That's syndicated all over, but you can watch it on
Speaker 1: direct TV on the Audience channel. The Grind, The Grind
Speaker 1: on EPICS nine o'clock every Wednesday night, nine Eastern time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they're killing it too. Epics is throwing a
Speaker 1: ton of promotion at it. Um and so this week
Speaker 1: it's Bettest in Pittsburgh and Charles Woodson uh in Miami.
Speaker 1: Next week it's Snoop with DeAndre Hopkins when he comes
Speaker 1: here to Los Angeles hanging out with him. Um, why
Speaker 1: were we not? We're not pulled into this like this
Speaker 1: is this is how this is now. It's rolling, you know,
Speaker 1: And that the idea they contacting some great Hall of
Speaker 1: famers to hang out with their former teams or with
Speaker 1: players and all showing about how long of a slog
Speaker 1: of a season it is the Grind and um, and
Speaker 1: keep an eye out in the months ahead the NFL Onebration. Yeah,
Speaker 1: talk more about we'll talk about that because you're spending
Speaker 1: a lot of personal, well professional one on one time
Speaker 1: with Bill Belichick himself. So we need to get you
Speaker 1: in your back. You know you're a Jets fan. You mean,
Speaker 1: my boy, be square? Are you allowed to do? I
Speaker 1: did have an underlying question is what did he eat
Speaker 1: when he was here? I don't know why. I just
Speaker 1: want to know what sort of plates of food? Can
Speaker 1: you watch and take notes as he eats? Rich and
Speaker 1: then we'll talk about November a little human you mean, like, no,
Speaker 1: he's a human being, Okay, I mean I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't watch him eat things. I didn't see what. He's
Speaker 1: got a great sense of humor. Well, so he don't
Speaker 1: need to have I need more details. We all do
Speaker 1: on this. That's the type of commented chance. Like everyone
Speaker 1: always says that what does he eat? Well? Just like
Speaker 1: you guys, probably at some point at all you all
Speaker 1: got your plates of food, and like, does Belichick have
Speaker 1: diet principles he holds too? Or what did you did
Speaker 1: you watch him eating like a giant kings like he
Speaker 1: wasn't like chewing like a turkey leg? Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Agin assumes everyone just eats giant hunks of rabbie. I
Speaker 1: don't want to I just want to know what I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't take notes or or um but um in
Speaker 1: the green room area. I was out of him Collinsworth
Speaker 1: and me the only one who ordered the egg whites.
Speaker 1: You are how else would we know that had he
Speaker 1: not been there? Well that I learn, And that's how
Speaker 1: Eisen has been getting sub six seconds even as the
Speaker 1: ages working out for it. I'm working out. I know,
Speaker 1: Chris Westling, I don't think I could run. Which one
Speaker 1: of us are? Which one of us can scare you
Speaker 1: the most? If you had to take us on in
Speaker 1: that race, just by I question which one you'd say
Speaker 1: I need to practice a little bit harder or less? Uh?
Speaker 1: I'm Westling to me is a man who's been refocused
Speaker 1: in life. Uh, and a man who has now got
Speaker 1: a better half. Um. But Rosenthal strikes me as a
Speaker 1: little uh what was that, rang Rangy? Yeah, you might
Speaker 1: be able to I'm putting the miles in each week
Speaker 1: right now, pick him up and put them down now
Speaker 1: correct analysis. But all right, rich eyes and thank you buddy.
Speaker 1: Thanks all right, rich is out the door, and thank
Speaker 1: you to the face. Once again. We will keep going
Speaker 1: with the news now. So you know, by the way
Speaker 1: I mentioned before whatever happened to Gary Cooper? So you
Speaker 1: got make a Fitzpatrick who says I don't want to
Speaker 1: be here anymore, and they just send him out of town. Now,
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, the star quarter cornerback of the Jaguars, he
Speaker 1: has requested at trade uh following brewing tensions with the
Speaker 1: organization that being the Jaguars, rap Sheet reported on Monday night.
Speaker 1: Rap Sheet cited a number of reasons for Ramsey's frustration
Speaker 1: with the team that drafted him fifth overall, in among
Speaker 1: them being the confrontation he had with coach Doug Marone
Speaker 1: in the first quarter of the team's Week two lost
Speaker 1: to the Texans. I just want to I want to
Speaker 1: say this and feel free to disagree with me. I
Speaker 1: know you do feel free. Um, whatever happened to Gary Cooper? Why?
Speaker 1: What is Jalen Ramy supposed to be a leader of
Speaker 1: this team? And is this how the league is now?
Speaker 1: When the tough gets when the going gets tough, you said,
Speaker 1: get me out of here. I mean, he's supposed to
Speaker 1: be the face of this franchise and now maybe things
Speaker 1: are so bad behind the scenes that we don't know
Speaker 1: that he um that he he feels it's toxic and
Speaker 1: it's not a healthy place for him. But this just
Speaker 1: feels like it feels like a guy that once there's adversity, says,
Speaker 1: send me somewhere else, Send me to the Patriots, send
Speaker 1: me to a team that's that's going in the right
Speaker 1: direction rather and you know what, I'm going to be
Speaker 1: part of the solution here. This is a little on
Speaker 1: my radar some of this behavior. I'm saying, sure, but
Speaker 1: there's no Gary Cooper's in with to use that analogy
Speaker 1: on either side. Jalen Ramsey was very composed and I
Speaker 1: thought mature interesting in his press conference today, and one
Speaker 1: thing he made clear that Jaguars are the one that
Speaker 1: put the trade stuff out there, and he he just said,
Speaker 1: all I can say is that there's no that we
Speaker 1: requested the trade that we made sure a hundred percent
Speaker 1: my agent and we've circled back on this that that
Speaker 1: would not get out. We did not want it to
Speaker 1: be a distraction for the team. The Jaguars put out
Speaker 1: there because they want to trade them. They want to
Speaker 1: get the most that they possibly can for him before
Speaker 1: they have to pay him, because it sounds like they
Speaker 1: don't want to. Let's let's listen to Ramsey. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk as soon as I could today
Speaker 1: just because I don't really want it to be a
Speaker 1: distraction for my teammates getting ready for a game on Thursday.
Speaker 1: And right now, I'm still a part of the Jacksonville Jaguars,
Speaker 1: and I'm you know, I'm happy about that. I'm getting
Speaker 1: ready for the game as well. Uh, And that's what
Speaker 1: my focus is right now. I've been in the meetings,
Speaker 1: I've been taking my notes, I've been getting ready for
Speaker 1: I walk those in our practice and everything that we
Speaker 1: gotta do. Idea. Well, I think what Greg's point, that's
Speaker 1: that's a writer talking. Fans don't care who released. Fans
Speaker 1: care that this guy asked for a trade from the franchise,
Speaker 1: not that he's not the one who put the story
Speaker 1: out there. He's the one asking for Gary Cooper thing.
Speaker 1: It's like if they wanted, if they're worried about it,
Speaker 1: being like candle your business, you know, keep keep it quiet,
Speaker 1: let's not have a distraction. They're just they're just businessmen
Speaker 1: that are trying to get the most that they possibly
Speaker 1: can for him. They don't care about this, Greg. It
Speaker 1: is a Gary Cooper free zone. And Greg is correct
Speaker 1: about that. But that's the case all over the league.
Speaker 1: And I think that we are dealing with players who
Speaker 1: we're telling Gary Cooper and the time that we're discussing
Speaker 1: is when butlayers anyways had zero personal direction or power
Speaker 1: nobility to direct their own careers. Now they're feeling incredibly empowered,
Speaker 1: and in any of them are probably being told by
Speaker 1: older players, don't do it the way we did. We
Speaker 1: didn't have a choice. You do, and me, I don't
Speaker 1: like it if I'm a fan and watching Jalen Ramsey
Speaker 1: roll into camp and a Brinx truck right away, you're
Speaker 1: when you're telling me, I don't want to be a distraction,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna talk about it now you already are.
Speaker 1: If you have to address this, you've already become a distraction.
Speaker 1: But in general, the distraction seems to be the players
Speaker 1: aren't all in for the next five or six or
Speaker 1: seven years. There are times, and we're getting to it,
Speaker 1: if you have a certain amount of star power, you
Speaker 1: can direct your way out of a losing situation. They're
Speaker 1: talking about the Chiefs is someone that's whispering talking about.
Speaker 1: But I agree with That's why I'm talking Garret Cooper
Speaker 1: because the idea what you want and the face of
Speaker 1: the franchise and a guy that was that, um, if
Speaker 1: they have a good relationship, is going to get paid
Speaker 1: by the Jaguars. You imagine he's he's that talented as
Speaker 1: a star. But I just I don't like the idea,
Speaker 1: and I think leadership is so important with the organization,
Speaker 1: and some of the things from Jalen Ramsey and the
Speaker 1: last year or so to me have turned me off,
Speaker 1: and I would imagine it might have turned the Jaguars
Speaker 1: off as well. And I know it's always it's very
Speaker 1: popular to always say, well, the team's wrong. Do never
Speaker 1: support the team, always support what the player is doing.
Speaker 1: But sometimes this to me makes a situation in Jacksonville
Speaker 1: when he as a leader, should be working towards getting
Speaker 1: this team out of the rut and getting the season
Speaker 1: back on track. Instead we have this entire soap opera
Speaker 1: playing out and the season is just gonna go first period.
Speaker 1: But he also shut down DeAndre Hopkins. It does raise
Speaker 1: like last week he balled out, he played one of
Speaker 1: his better games. You know that that he's played last
Speaker 1: week to me that he's trying. But since when has
Speaker 1: that been something that we need to say, Well, he's
Speaker 1: still trying. I guess I thought it. It does raise
Speaker 1: interesting questions like who is more important to the organization,
Speaker 1: him or Doug Moron him Tom Coughlin. Now they say,
Speaker 1: by the way they pay him that the players are
Speaker 1: more important. Tom Coughlin and Doug Morone have you know,
Speaker 1: objectively done a much worse job at their jobs over
Speaker 1: the last few years. They decided to pay some offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: They decided to play Mark Easilee, They decided to play
Speaker 1: pay Blake Bordles, They draft one defensive player, have they paid?
Speaker 1: They drafted Leonard four Nette over you know, so they've
Speaker 1: had their own issues. That doesn't mean that everyone should
Speaker 1: go in and request to trade. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: Douglar own has had a laundry list of issues with
Speaker 1: people wherever he's been, and that's part of the personality there.
Speaker 1: But I just would say no one's question if Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey is trying harder he's talented, I'm not, but talent
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with leadership. And I don't see
Speaker 1: someone who over and over reminds me of the core
Speaker 1: leader on a team when he's creating these issues over
Speaker 1: and over and going to magazines and you know, generating
Speaker 1: toxic comments about quarterbacks from the league. That's part of
Speaker 1: today's game, and that's fine, But I don't have to
Speaker 1: say that's the guy I want running my locker room. Necessarily,
Speaker 1: it's fair to wonder where he wants to play. We
Speaker 1: know it's not Dallas. He's already come out and said
Speaker 1: he'd never played for the Jones family. Um, this is
Speaker 1: a guy who thinks he knows more than the coaches.
Speaker 1: We can see that from his comments and his behavior.
Speaker 1: He doesn't like authority. He isn't like the hierarchy of
Speaker 1: the coaches telling him what to do. So to me,
Speaker 1: it's fair to wonder where he wants to play on field.
Speaker 1: Out of all the cornerbacks under twenty eight years old,
Speaker 1: this guy is most likely to go to the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame, I think, and I think Stephan Gilmore has
Speaker 1: been the best corner in the NFL for about the
Speaker 1: last year and a half, but before that it was
Speaker 1: Ramsey and he's probably Most people probably think that Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey is the most talented cornerback in the NFL. Fans
Speaker 1: asking why Stephan Gilmour is not on their team. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like these guys move around there. I'm sure we
Speaker 1: can find, you know, exceptions, but you're not usually looking
Speaker 1: at your cornerback as as you're, you know, team leader.
Speaker 1: If you just kind of look at your best players
Speaker 1: supposed to be your team leader. I'm just saying that,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason the position, that's just sort of the
Speaker 1: history of the position. I would be interested to see
Speaker 1: how much they get for him. I mean, if if
Speaker 1: Minca's worth one first round pick and Laramie tuns is
Speaker 1: worth what he's worth. I know you have to pay
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, but there's reportedly asking for two first That
Speaker 1: sounds about fire up the app the GM. At GM, hey,
Speaker 1: we have a for the first time, we have a
Speaker 1: guy that is gonna wear a gold jacket, uh in
Speaker 1: about twelve years. He is just entering his prime. He
Speaker 1: is the guy that will put you over the top.
Speaker 1: Give it to us. This feels like an Eagle situation.
Speaker 1: To this feels like an Eagle's Jeffrey Chadiah of NFL
Speaker 1: Network has reported that the Chiefs are not interested, and
Speaker 1: if you look a little bit deeper, they've got to pay.
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes they've gotta pay Chris Jones. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they've got the draft pick Ammo either to get him. UH.
Speaker 1: Let us move on. Yes, it has finally happened UM
Speaker 1: for the New York Giants, they are making the switch
Speaker 1: at quarterback. The team announced Tuesday that rookie Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: will start UH this week and going forward. The move
Speaker 1: sends two time Super Bowl m VP Eli Manning UH
Speaker 1: to the bench. He'll be a backup UH and mentor
Speaker 1: role as they say, UM pat Irmer said in a
Speaker 1: statement that they spoke on Tuesday morning told him that
Speaker 1: we are making a change and going with Daniel as
Speaker 1: a starter. Eli was obviously disappointed and you would as
Speaker 1: you would expect, but he said he would be what
Speaker 1: he has always been, a good teammate and continue to
Speaker 1: prepare to help this team win games. So it has happened.
Speaker 1: We one of our our first sandwich prop of the season.
Speaker 1: UM does not cash out for anyone. Mark. You are
Speaker 1: the closest you had week one, week two, weeks two
Speaker 1: when Daniel Jones would replace Eli Manning. And I'm not
Speaker 1: going to give you one of these eighteen month campaigns
Speaker 1: where I should have won this I did not win it.
Speaker 1: I lost. Good no horse shoes and hand grenade scenario here.
Speaker 1: I mean the other one is completely legitimate, legitimate, the
Speaker 1: Philly Special. This one I am willing to because I'm
Speaker 1: logical not beat the drum on this. I lost. Okay, good,
Speaker 1: very big of you. So the Jones will be the starter.
Speaker 1: And West, Um, I know you've been pounding the drum
Speaker 1: on this um for a couple of years now that
Speaker 1: it was time for Eli fireworks going off at West's house.
Speaker 1: Well it's finally happened. Well. I think, first of all,
Speaker 1: Eli deserves respect for starting two six games in the NFL,
Speaker 1: leading his team to two Super Bowls, and really engendering
Speaker 1: extraordinary levels of loyalty from his organization and former teammates
Speaker 1: like NFL Networks own Shawn O'Hara, who still have his
Speaker 1: back to this day and are questioning the organization for
Speaker 1: benching him. It does on the subject of leadership. This
Speaker 1: guy clearly has had it his entire career and had
Speaker 1: it in spades, and I think he deserves a ton
Speaker 1: of respect for that. That said, I've been saying this
Speaker 1: for two and a half years, and the way NFL
Speaker 1: a now is his works. Guys like Kirk Cousins, Mitch Robinski,
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, they've all got critics, they've all got haters,
Speaker 1: and every other week those haters are skeptical that they're right.
Speaker 1: They're like, well, maybe I'm looking at this wrong. Trobiski
Speaker 1: is on break, on track to break records for the Bears.
Speaker 1: You know, Cousins looks great. Never in two and alf years,
Speaker 1: as I thought, have I thought Eli has been anything
Speaker 1: other than washed up. I think they made this move
Speaker 1: a couple years too late. I don't understand why they
Speaker 1: paid him what they paid him this year, and I
Speaker 1: don't understand what the organization was doing all offseason. Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones playing so well in camp and especially the preseason
Speaker 1: was a big factor here. I wish I had written
Speaker 1: in one of those preseason winners and losers. It's up
Speaker 1: to Eli when he gets banned, because the second there
Speaker 1: two games under five hundred, that's probably the time. You know,
Speaker 1: I wish I had gone Week three, they lose the
Speaker 1: right out of the thing. I think I was thinking
Speaker 1: week five, they'd be one at three. Doesn't matter. Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones played awesome. That's the problem. I mean, the the
Speaker 1: worst excuse, And this is what the Giants kept saying was, well,
Speaker 1: you know their defense is terrible, and you know what
Speaker 1: does it really meant? Well, that doesn't mean you still
Speaker 1: tried out one of the five or six worst quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in the league. You I think their offense could be
Speaker 1: pretty good. And by the way, we heard forever, oh
Speaker 1: the protect If the protection was better, who could It's
Speaker 1: been perfect through two weeks. The last problem that they've
Speaker 1: had in their two regular season games has been pass protection.
Speaker 1: That has not been a problem. I I would it's
Speaker 1: to me if you're a Giants fan, I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I don't know what if or Giants fan you want
Speaker 1: to work out and not work out. But it suggests
Speaker 1: to me that Pat Shermer is something a little bit
Speaker 1: more uh than a Manchurian candidate in this whole you
Speaker 1: know scenario, because he this had to have been how
Speaker 1: he felt for a long time. He's been talking up
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones while everyone else was killing the team for
Speaker 1: drafting him. He was saying in the early rookie minicamps
Speaker 1: everything this guy is processing information. I like him a lot.
Speaker 1: So I feel that Pat Schremer finally had to be
Speaker 1: given a shot to run the offensive way he wanted to.
Speaker 1: That's out of your Dale Jones. You're walking into a
Speaker 1: scenario where you've got almost no healthy wide receiver's encounter
Speaker 1: right now. It's a it is a rather one dimensional
Speaker 1: attack where they seem to be out of ideas on
Speaker 1: how to fool anyone after the first quarter. From the
Speaker 1: two games I've seen, there is better protection in the past,
Speaker 1: but it's not a great situation of walk into the defense.
Speaker 1: Isn't helping you out, but they needed to do it.
Speaker 1: It's not great, but it could be worse because and
Speaker 1: now we get to see it because Dave Getleman, who
Speaker 1: put everything on the line and he did not have
Speaker 1: a good offseason, Dave Gentleman, but when he took Sae
Speaker 1: Juan Barkley with that pick and passed on all those quarterbacks, um,
Speaker 1: everybody killed him. And see Juan Barkley has turned into
Speaker 1: arguably the best running back in the league and a
Speaker 1: guy that can be potentially, uh you know, potentially like
Speaker 1: a all time talent. Now he's got Daniel Jones in
Speaker 1: the lineup, so now we'll see, Um, if Dave Gotlman
Speaker 1: is a guy that has a future with the Giants
Speaker 1: because if Jones looks like a guy who can play,
Speaker 1: if he makes strides, and they did for all the
Speaker 1: Giants mistakes and paying Eli, and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: money on the hook for Eli and that was all bad.
Speaker 1: But that's not our money. It's it's it's a done
Speaker 1: deal now. Um, they did get him in early here,
Speaker 1: it is the middle of September. He's gonna have essentially
Speaker 1: close to a full season if he stays healthy to
Speaker 1: develop as a rookie passer, and if he does develop
Speaker 1: well and the Giants flash, David Guttlman is going to
Speaker 1: come out of this feeling good and have job security,
Speaker 1: as does Pat Shermer. So you you look at the
Speaker 1: Giants and you see they might be a little interesting
Speaker 1: to watch now. It's certainly wasn't the case West with Eli.
Speaker 1: At this point. Well, I think you're gonna see a
Speaker 1: different offense. You're gonna see the r p O s
Speaker 1: that all these other young athletic quarterbacks are running. And
Speaker 1: we'll see what Pat Shermer's made of as a play caller.
Speaker 1: He got this job for a reason. I think good
Speaker 1: for Sequon Barkley. Yeah, and I think Pat Sheremer had
Speaker 1: to tell the front out, and I think Gettelman is
Speaker 1: he's an ELI guy, even though he took Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1: He's as loyal to ELI as anyone had to be. Like,
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna get fired, give me a chance to
Speaker 1: go with to show you what I can do with
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. Because Pet Sheremers not surviving this. It's like
Speaker 1: they're not Pet Shermer's not gonna be their coach in
Speaker 1: four years unless he can somehow get Daniel Jones to
Speaker 1: look really good and maybe win some games too, but
Speaker 1: especially make Daniel Jones look good this year like he
Speaker 1: is in a one year window, or they'll be moving
Speaker 1: on to another coach. That's actually why I went with
Speaker 1: Week two, because I think these things tend to happen
Speaker 1: quicker in the regular season when suddenly you have a
Speaker 1: whole coaching staff, their families have all moved to this
Speaker 1: air you and you gotta tell your assistant coaches were
Speaker 1: stuck with this guy for the next ten weeks. And
Speaker 1: why isn't Jake Cruden having the same conversation about Dwayne
Speaker 1: haskins um And yeah, ELI has gotten He's been a
Speaker 1: punching bag for a couple of years now, not just
Speaker 1: in this room, but in the media and on Twitter,
Speaker 1: he's become something of a joke. But I think the
Speaker 1: reason why I and we'll talk more about Eli when
Speaker 1: he retires, maybe we'll come as soon as a few
Speaker 1: months from now. But I think maybe one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why in this studio I always kind of defended
Speaker 1: him as having been in New York when he had
Speaker 1: his rise, and the fact that he not only was
Speaker 1: at times a very competent quarterback, and of course what
Speaker 1: he did and beating Bill Bell Chick and Tom Brady
Speaker 1: twice in the Super Bowl, which you can never take away.
Speaker 1: People always slept on a what a good um Uh,
Speaker 1: what the iron man aspect of a guy that's there
Speaker 1: every week and how many teams struggle. Look at the Jets,
Speaker 1: they're on their third quarterback in three weeks. Eli Manning
Speaker 1: every week was there? Uh. And he also did it right.
Speaker 1: He was a good guy with the media, he was
Speaker 1: involved with the community in terms of charity work. He's
Speaker 1: a good guy. And I just think he was a
Speaker 1: great pick for the Giants. And and I don't know,
Speaker 1: you we could argue about Canton when the time comes um,
Speaker 1: but I mean they nailed the pick. He's one of
Speaker 1: the guys where the person will it could propel him
Speaker 1: right into the Hall of Fame if there's any question,
Speaker 1: because the person's kept some people out for years and years.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I could care less about the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame, but sneaky fun to watch. Like in two
Speaker 1: thousand eleven. There was only a couple of those seasons,
Speaker 1: but at that moment in two thousand and eleven especially,
Speaker 1: he completed about as many low percentage How did he
Speaker 1: possibly do that? You shouldn't have even tried it type
Speaker 1: of like amazing throws late in that season. And even
Speaker 1: though he didn't have a great Super Bowl, necessarily in
Speaker 1: a very good one, like he was the reason that
Speaker 1: they won that Super Bowl more more than he made
Speaker 1: a couple of huge throws in that Super Bowl too.
Speaker 1: We talked about the Mario Mannahan throw is the best
Speaker 1: throwing Giants history. The helmet catches the most famous throw.
Speaker 1: But you know you could have that career You've taken
Speaker 1: a second minus maybe Twitter existing where my face is
Speaker 1: being magnetized day after day every time something happens to anyone.
Speaker 1: But all right, let's move on. Um, Cam Newton aggravated
Speaker 1: that foot spring he suffered in the preseason, and maybe
Speaker 1: that shed some light on why he has not looked
Speaker 1: like himself in the early going this season. Um. He
Speaker 1: did not practice on Tuesday, rang alarm bells, then rap
Speaker 1: Sheet and Tom Hells or Pellicero reported that his status
Speaker 1: is up in the air for Sunday against the Cardinals. UM.
Speaker 1: I believe since that reporting it is is it a
Speaker 1: done deal or is it still up in the air
Speaker 1: right now about Newton's availability Either way, Uh, the guy's
Speaker 1: not healthy and and Greg we he didn't play healthy.
Speaker 1: Uh in Week two and again this is the guy
Speaker 1: they need him to be, Cam Newton and he's just
Speaker 1: not that guy right now. People have tried to determine
Speaker 1: when the injury happened. It looked like it was. I
Speaker 1: think it was in the second quarter of Week one.
Speaker 1: At that point, he was seven for eight against the
Speaker 1: Rams and you can see the play where it happened.
Speaker 1: And he hasn't played very well since, so there's kind
Speaker 1: of a one to one comparison. We can talk about
Speaker 1: it again Thursday. We don't need to, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: bemoan it, but it sounds like it's a long term injury.
Speaker 1: Just the way they're talking about it does not seem
Speaker 1: like it's something that, hey, he's got a chance to place.
Speaker 1: It sounds like something that could be a few weeks
Speaker 1: here with Kyle Allen, which is, you know, puts all
Speaker 1: the more pressure on on a GM and a coach
Speaker 1: who I think knows that they need to make the
Speaker 1: playoffs this year, or or a new owner might just
Speaker 1: change it. I would just mention, and I you know,
Speaker 1: not Cam Newton, is you're gonna replace Cam Newton? And
Speaker 1: I that very good chance he's just there next year,
Speaker 1: no questions asked. But you can get out of his
Speaker 1: contract for a song for nothing. And I just that
Speaker 1: feels like a team where the table is set for
Speaker 1: a massive look differently looking Carolina Panthers team next year. Coach, quarterback,
Speaker 1: everything weirder things have happened. I mean, I like the
Speaker 1: idea of Kim Newton, But when is the last time
Speaker 1: we felt like this was a fully healthy quarterback who
Speaker 1: no questions asked. It's gonna be the iron Man scenario
Speaker 1: we just talked about last November. That offense was awesome
Speaker 1: with North North Turner before he heard his shoulder it was.
Speaker 1: It is just feels like it's always something with him though.
Speaker 1: But what these two injuries he's had with the shoulder
Speaker 1: in this foot are obviously serious enough that he's a
Speaker 1: totally different quarterback when he's trying to play through them.
Speaker 1: Sometimes quarterbacks can play through injuries and be close to themselves.
Speaker 1: He is a shadow of himself. And for what it's worth.
Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones of the mm QB, a former Panthers beat writer,
Speaker 1: says he believes Kyle Allen is definitely starting this week
Speaker 1: and he would wager the field over Cam Newton in
Speaker 1: week four two. Kyle and look great, by the way
Speaker 1: in week seventeen. Didn't look quite as good in the past. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the news, alright. So it's a
Speaker 1: supersized edition of the Around the NFL podcast with Rich
Speaker 1: Eyes And do you think Rich liked the face as
Speaker 1: a nickname? Did? What? Did you guys think he was
Speaker 1: prepared to be skept? It cool? But you want him over?
Speaker 1: I mean, what's not to like about it? I think
Speaker 1: it it's core. It's sort of saying you're the dude,
Speaker 1: you're the man. He wasn't sure what you were getting
Speaker 1: at I don't think. I mean, wouldn't you like it if?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind if if you know, this will never happen.
Speaker 1: But down the road you were known as like the
Speaker 1: face of NFL network or the core typist of NFL
Speaker 1: dot com. That feels more achievable, core type that feels
Speaker 1: achieve core typist. It's the fingers of NFL dot com
Speaker 1: over there. Once you explained it to him, I felt
Speaker 1: like he was on board. I mean, I felt like
Speaker 1: I had to explain it there. Yeah, I'm not sure. Yeah, there.
Speaker 1: It did feel like a mixed reaction. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: What if I find a knife in my tire when
Speaker 1: I get to my car, I'll know probably the lanyard
Speaker 1: wielding security people. Um West, I love by the way
Speaker 1: that you're clashing with security. I feel like you're carrying
Speaker 1: on my legacy I've kind of moved away from and
Speaker 1: my war with him. Um, but you are picking up
Speaker 1: the torch, you're taking the baton, and you're fighting the good.
Speaker 1: Do you know why. I know that they have no
Speaker 1: hand to play here, because if it's important enough, they
Speaker 1: wouldn't to just let it go after a week last time,
Speaker 1: they just let it lapse for a year and then
Speaker 1: now they're like, oh, it's important to wear a lang.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the audience knows, but West, when
Speaker 1: he tried to enter the property today, was told take
Speaker 1: out your lanyards show. How about the audience, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure they don't know. Now they do. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: I don't conversation to your point. It is the second
Speaker 1: time this has come around. I think these corporate mantras.
Speaker 1: Obviously they got the security group together well that these
Speaker 1: things have a half life. By a month from now,
Speaker 1: no one's gonna be asking you you put up a
Speaker 1: strong resistance, West, and you've seen a shot to security
Speaker 1: right now because you you didn't. You were like one
Speaker 1: of my my children, who knows. Okay, it's a new
Speaker 1: school year. We're gonna put down some new rules, and
Speaker 1: if they just fight against it as hard as they can,
Speaker 1: after a week and a half, those rules will be
Speaker 1: out there. Well, it's a stupid rule. You don't have
Speaker 1: grown men to wear lanyards around their neck. So it
Speaker 1: feels like you're strangled by a lazy person all day.
Speaker 1: Please they might be singling you out there. I mean,
Speaker 1: none of us the three of us. I think they've
Speaker 1: got got his picture up on the wall and I've
Speaker 1: been stopped. I've been stopped, but I like what I did.
Speaker 1: I took a different text. I said, you know what,
Speaker 1: thank you for letting me know. I absolutely will address it.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you telling me. And then we went our
Speaker 1: separate ways. I never won one again. Well, you don't
Speaker 1: want to get on the lanyard bad boys lists announcing,
Speaker 1: you know, and they have they have the pictures just
Speaker 1: in there back in their little hot back. They want
Speaker 1: to know you work here, so that if someone's walking
Speaker 1: around without a lanyard, then we know that there's you're
Speaker 1: my belt loop and put it through the exchanger every
Speaker 1: day when I come through. So they whatever for someone
Speaker 1: who prances around with the Ricky Hollywood as her Twitter handle,
Speaker 1: you were surprising on board with this, with securities take
Speaker 1: on this, like you know, West, it would be a
Speaker 1: good idea for you to wear this. But you would
Speaker 1: think like Ricky who walks around with her black jeans
Speaker 1: with the holes and the knees, and she's like, I'm
Speaker 1: a bad girl, I'm part of youth culture like that,
Speaker 1: she wouldn't fall in line with this whole policy of management.
Speaker 1: It's it is a surprise. Okay, yeah, let's circle back
Speaker 1: on our third three of the show. We can talk
Speaker 1: about it. Then the show is a little long. Hit
Speaker 1: us up if you think the show is too long.
Speaker 1: Also stop heading up Mark and Dan asking us or
Speaker 1: them how they're feeling, like as their hearts are breaking.
Speaker 1: Yet can you see if Dan is okay? Mark, it's
Speaker 1: the same thing constantly. It's not helping. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I'm fine. I processed the grief of the end of
Speaker 1: the Jet season on last Thursday's show, so I watched
Speaker 1: Monday's game with a sense of detachment that was already over,
Speaker 1: and sure enough it was over. Just a general role
Speaker 1: here in life. Some people, when they're suffering, they need space,
Speaker 1: not smothering. Twitter is not about space, And I know
Speaker 1: people mean, well, sorry, I'm not trying to get on you.
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's helping to ask and then
Speaker 1: tag Mark and Dan in that I'm rock and roll
Speaker 1: Ricky Hollywood, but I follow the rules like Sue me.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like it was this screaming about like
Speaker 1: security threats. It's a jarring juxtaposition. I think you can
Speaker 1: understand where we're coming from. That's all. It's like burned
Speaker 1: security to the ground, doors open all the way. Well,
Speaker 1: there was like a gun you know, seminar that we
Speaker 1: all had to take. It was like an eight hour
Speaker 1: thing on NFL security that you bozos just like sat
Speaker 1: like past that you didn't have to go to that.
Speaker 1: The security guy who's curity guy who says hi to
Speaker 1: me every day and holds conversations with me, knows who
Speaker 1: I am and doesn't need a lanyard to identify me.
Speaker 1: All right, Thursday Night Football put a pin in it
Speaker 1: an a f C South showdown between the Tennessee Tytoons
Speaker 1: one and one. After that dispiriting home loss to the Colts,
Speaker 1: now travel to the big Chlorine Tank in Jacksonville to
Speaker 1: face the Jaguars and um, greg this is a very
Speaker 1: interesting matchup between I'll sell it the Titans. You find
Speaker 1: it interesting, but I'm trying to sell it to the
Speaker 1: greater public. The Titans, which they could not have looked
Speaker 1: better in the second half against the Browns on the road,
Speaker 1: got everybody sucked in and then looked very much like
Speaker 1: the old Titans in week two, Which who's the real Titans?
Speaker 1: In nine? In two thousand nineteen and the Jags anytime
Speaker 1: you this is a caged animal game, West cornered animal game.
Speaker 1: Oh and two, everyone knows your season is over in
Speaker 1: the NFL um when you go and three with the
Speaker 1: added element caged animal of your cornerback trying to get
Speaker 1: out of the cage before the game exactly. Uh so
Speaker 1: there you go. I'll stretch it up that way, Greg,
Speaker 1: caged animal game against the Titans team that we really
Speaker 1: don't know who they are yet. We've seen a ceiling
Speaker 1: and a floor already. It's and and a quarterback in
Speaker 1: Jacksonville that sort of resembles a you know, a cute
Speaker 1: fury caged animals gardener Gardner. Minshew looked fine in his
Speaker 1: first start, but this is a perfect matchup for Tennessee
Speaker 1: to get right. Not only did they kind of wipe
Speaker 1: the floor with Jacksonville. If I remember a few times
Speaker 1: a year ago, they're a vetter in secondary who should
Speaker 1: be able to swarm and kind of swallow this Jaguars offense,
Speaker 1: which was very condensed the week ago. This is just
Speaker 1: so there's such a limited team, they're so thin, you
Speaker 1: know how sometimes you hear oh Dak Prescott He's completed
Speaker 1: eight passes, you know, two different receivers in the first half.
Speaker 1: They've six Jaguars period have caught passes this year. They
Speaker 1: don't have a backup running back, their offensive line is
Speaker 1: very thin, and they were struggling to pick up blitz Is.
Speaker 1: It's just a lot to ask for Minshew, who I
Speaker 1: think is doing a good job, and their defense to
Speaker 1: carry them. I think when you have, you know, the
Speaker 1: b line through both games was that despite some big
Speaker 1: players on offense for the Titans against the Browns, Marcus Mariota,
Speaker 1: he's not a quarterback that propels any offense he's in.
Speaker 1: He seems to hold you back. And and one and
Speaker 1: one thing that I find interesting about a team like
Speaker 1: the Titans versus others is that you get Adam Humphries
Speaker 1: and you mentioned on Sunday Danny finishes Week two with
Speaker 1: negative two yards. I thought he was gonna be, uh
Speaker 1: the perfect thing for Marcus Mariota and a j Brown
Speaker 1: big game Week one, really nothing in Week two. And
Speaker 1: it's just you cannot count on the Titans attack week
Speaker 1: to week outside of I think you know, Henry potentially
Speaker 1: on the ground has been consistent since last November so
Speaker 1: one of the better backs in the league. They're gonna
Speaker 1: need him to be big in this game. But I
Speaker 1: do trust every other element of the Titans and their defense,
Speaker 1: and to me, I'd be surprised that they don't win
Speaker 1: this by ten points or more. They're the better all
Speaker 1: around team. I expect him to win. But you never
Speaker 1: know when a Jaguars defense is perfectly capable of shutting
Speaker 1: down the Tennessee Titans, who are not dynamic on offer.
Speaker 1: I mean they shut down the Texans. The Texans I
Speaker 1: think one of their touchdown I believe was on a
Speaker 1: very short field. Otherwise they did a great job and
Speaker 1: that was without in Gockway and boy A don't know
Speaker 1: if they're back, but they got pressure on Watson and
Speaker 1: that's two weeks in a row for Watson. But Watson
Speaker 1: that didn't shut the offense down against New Orleans mansho
Speaker 1: Mania Thursday night. All Right, I'm you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be open minded about it. Mark, I'm not. I
Speaker 1: never gonna be be on the Minshew bandwagon. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I made that decision, so I'm watching it from the outside.
Speaker 1: But he seems like a likable enough kids think the
Speaker 1: bandwagon I mean, it feels like there was a big
Speaker 1: send off party, like when you say goodbye to a
Speaker 1: boat where a lot, But then you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: a hundred miles out at sea and it's lonely, and
Speaker 1: we're you know, we're gonna have to be reminded that
Speaker 1: the bandwagon is still moving across the country here, Erica.
Speaker 1: You know, message me like ten minutes ago. We need
Speaker 1: to move this along, you know, But we do have
Speaker 1: one sound drop that I got I prepared, so we
Speaker 1: might as well use it. Probably one of the most
Speaker 1: unpleasant auditory moments in NFL press conference history happened today
Speaker 1: with Jalen Ramsey. Let's hit it. Oh, oh that is
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey cracking. Let's do it again. Oh that's gross.
Speaker 1: How bigger n That's the loudest knuckle cracking you heard.
Speaker 1: I mean he's probably got big hands, So I imagine
Speaker 1: that's actually a good question. If you have bigger bones,
Speaker 1: bigger finger's, bigger hands, you crack louder. I guess you would.
Speaker 1: I think right. I love this podcast because we came
Speaker 1: out of it were like, let's let's move let's move
Speaker 1: the rest of it along. We spend five minutes on.
Speaker 1: Now we're talking knuckle cracking. Um. Alright, so that's it
Speaker 1: for Tuesday's show. Thank you for everybody, uh for listening,
Speaker 1: and we'll be back on Thursday night. Uh, well, we'll
Speaker 1: be back Thursday with our preview show. We're working out
Speaker 1: the details. Yes, we were in dialogue with our listeners
Speaker 1: via social media about how we're going to handle the
Speaker 1: show roll out with Thursday Night Football. Internally, it has
Speaker 1: not been locked down, but we're leaning towards releasing the
Speaker 1: Thursday Night Football recap um as its own mini pod
Speaker 1: on Thursday nights and getting out the preview episode earlier
Speaker 1: in the day. Um, that's probably where we're gonna go
Speaker 1: with it, but you'll find out soon enough. Prepare your complaints.
Speaker 1: Dan Hanses signing off our Quiet Storm, The Mailman, The Face,
Speaker 1: the Old Boss and mis Rule Bottleer behind the Glass
Speaker 1: until Thursday m hm