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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. Today,

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Speaker 1: I'm here with Rich Browning former Fittest Man on Earth?

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Speaker 1: Maybe still is how's it going? Rich?

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Speaker 2: Pretty good? Doing good? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Uh. The Fittest on Earth is more of a CrossFit

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Speaker 3: or rebuk.

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Speaker 2: Uh marketing title.

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Speaker 3: I would say I competed at the CrossFit games and

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Speaker 3: won a couple of times when when people ask I,

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Speaker 3: you know, that's that's more. But to my kids is

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Speaker 3: I'll always be the fittest on Earth. You know, try

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Speaker 3: still thinks. My son thinks I'm still the strongest man

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Speaker 3: on Earth.

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Speaker 1: So whatever that that's all that matters, right, That's the

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Speaker 1: only title that really matters kids.

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Speaker 2: That whatever your kids think is all all that matters

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Speaker 2: to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I'm excited to have you on. You know,

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Speaker 1: you got to kind of laugh, like I'm not the

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Speaker 1: right guy to be giving a workout information or recommendations.

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Speaker 1: But I have been able to maintain, you know, being

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Speaker 1: in good enough shape to get it done in the

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Speaker 1: mountains hard enough, and that not to be like something

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Speaker 1: that limits my success. And and so that's kind of

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Speaker 1: my level, just doing just enough and then having a

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Speaker 1: pretty strong mental game as well. To add to to

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Speaker 1: being in good enough shape has has been able to

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Speaker 1: get to get me through it. But I'm curious to

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Speaker 1: dive into this conversation with you, so you know, individual

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Speaker 1: specific plans, like these ideas of like how can you

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Speaker 1: affect this through food and supplementation, like some of these

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Speaker 1: things that may help people get ready or be better

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Speaker 1: in the mountains, you know, this fall or in the future.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean when I'm when i'm when I'm talking

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Speaker 3: to anybody, that's the goal, right, is that at no

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Speaker 3: point are you like, oh I was not prepared or

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Speaker 3: you know, we want no. At no point do we

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Speaker 3: ever question, hey, should we go after something, can we

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Speaker 3: get there?

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Speaker 2: Or can we get something out? So you know, that's

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Speaker 2: that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 3: Whether you're doing you know, crossbit, whether you're bike in

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Speaker 3: running any of that stuff, or just rucking. You know,

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Speaker 3: that's the whole goal is to be as well rounded

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Speaker 3: as possible when you know you don't know what's going

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Speaker 3: to happen, and you're.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yep. And then there there's another thing. I hunt

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Speaker 1: because I love it and and there's there's a little

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Speaker 1: bit of the physical struggle in it. But I don't

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Speaker 1: want to be. I don't want that to override having fun. Right,

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Speaker 1: if you can't do something and you're not just you know,

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Speaker 1: hunched over, can't catch your breath, like, that's a miserable experience.

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Speaker 1: So if the elks where it's at and I need

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Speaker 1: to get there, I want to do that and have

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Speaker 1: as much fun as possible. Where if you're just gassed

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Speaker 1: and sore and like, it's less fun. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's less fun and you're going to accomplish the same thing.

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Speaker 1: So that that's kind of my goal. I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: It's already a you know, secondhand fun where it's miserable

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Speaker 3: in the moment fun after. So why not you know,

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Speaker 3: at least bring that misery down just a little bit

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Speaker 3: while you're in the moment and be as prepared as possible.

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Speaker 1: Yeh. But but I always kind of joke with my

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Speaker 1: buddies it doesn't matter how good a shape I'm in

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Speaker 1: or not. During season, I've always just pushed. If you're

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Speaker 1: in better shape, you just go farther, and so you're

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Speaker 1: if you you were just in worse shape and didn't

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Speaker 1: and self levels. But uh, it's still the pack outs funner.

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Speaker 1: You know, everything's a little funner when when your legs

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Speaker 1: are in shape, your lungs are able to handle it

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Speaker 1: and all of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, But so you can also get there

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Speaker 3: quicker if you're in better shape.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's for sure, for sure, for sure.

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Speaker 1: So let's let's jump into some questions on hunting. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, you you've accomplished a ton in the in

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Speaker 1: your athletic career, but what what made you want to

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Speaker 1: did this this passion for hunting, you know, get some legs?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I always tell people I grew up in a

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Speaker 3: that whitetail hunt like crazy. My dad, uh su super impatient.

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Speaker 3: I'm super impatient. Probably have you know a touch of

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Speaker 3: I can't sit still. I was always you know, doing

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Speaker 3: I'd go out I'd say ten or fifteen times growing up,

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Speaker 3: but never really you know, never saw anything. Even if

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Speaker 3: really had a great chance for it. So it never

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Speaker 3: end of my individual career, so twenty thirteen, fourteen fifteen range,

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Speaker 3: I had a really good friend of mine, Charles. We

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Speaker 3: invited me out turkey hunting, and man first first morning

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Speaker 3: hearing those gobbles, then instead of sitting and waiting for him,

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Speaker 3: a position, and after that I was hooked, and you

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Speaker 3: know from there, did that three or four years.

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Speaker 2: And went on our first elk hunt.

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Speaker 3: I need to look it up, is probably twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 3: sixteen or seventeen, and man got skunked with a guide

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Speaker 3: in Montana rifle hunting. Didn't see we heard one elk

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Speaker 3: one for the rest of the week. Hiked our balls

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Speaker 3: nastiest country I've ever been a part of, and had

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Speaker 3: a blast and from then on I was hooked.

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Speaker 2: And that actually took us three to three years.

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Speaker 3: Public land over the counter in Colorado self, you know, D, I, Y,

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Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, to finally kill one

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Speaker 3: and so man it just from then on, you know,

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Speaker 3: elk hunting has kind of been my my passion. I

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Speaker 3: still turkey hunt a lot, but elk hunting is has

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned, you know a D D ad HD.

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Speaker 1: I think I've got some of that as well, which

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Speaker 1: you know doesn't lend itself sometimes to be impatient in

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Speaker 1: for meal deer, and that's where you know, similar to you,

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Speaker 1: I'm drawn to archery elk hunting because it's it's action,

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Speaker 1: you know, very rarely unless you're you know, calling one

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Speaker 1: with with. My ADHD handles that better because there's action.

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Speaker 1: I'm able to move, I'm able to call, I'm able

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Speaker 1: to walk to the next ridge, I'm able to do

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Speaker 1: something where you know, sometimes I struggle if there's not

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Speaker 1: a lot of action in a white tail tree, you know.

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Speaker 1: Stand it's like, might get fidgety. I need to move.

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Speaker 1: I need to move to a different tree. I need

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Speaker 1: to go see some different ground, which we all know

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Speaker 1: is not the right answer.

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Speaker 2: Never, it's never once worked for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, have you you you said you do come

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Speaker 1: back still turkey hunt? Uh, you're okay whitetail hunting. Now

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Speaker 3: The last two years I've come to it's been an

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Speaker 3: acquired taste. It's taken probably two years to actually get

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Speaker 3: Even with a bad day in the elk wood, are

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Speaker 3: still a good day, right, you know, you're still moving,

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Speaker 3: you're covering some ground. You feel like you got something accomplished.

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Speaker 3: A bad day in the whitetail woods is not really good,

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Speaker 3: you know, if you're not seeing anything but and you're

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Speaker 3: I'm not looking forward to November. And we've got about

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Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty acres here at the house that

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Speaker 3: we have a couple stands set up and then we

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Speaker 3: have a three thousand acre lease just down the road.

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Speaker 3: And for me now it's like getting the kids, you know, getting.

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Speaker 2: The kids into it.

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Speaker 3: I killed a dough archery with my son last year,

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Speaker 3: and man, you'd have thought we killed you know, a

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Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty inch deer with how excited he

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Speaker 3: was and and just you know, I made the shot

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Speaker 3: and he goes, good shot, dad. You know, he's eight,

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Speaker 3: and so it was like, I don't know, it was

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Speaker 3: it all. It makes it all worth it.

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Speaker 1: That's that's so cool. And I know, you you know,

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Speaker 1: played some college baseball and one thing I've always you know,

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Speaker 1: is you've got this competitive spirit. Obviously, you know you

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Speaker 1: and if when once you accomplish X. You can go

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Speaker 1: say trophy hunting. But you start with a spike, you know,

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Speaker 1: to kill a two point Well that now you have

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Speaker 1: a guy that loves the competition, you can't necessarily play anymore,

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Speaker 1: like hunting really fills that that in for me as well.

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Speaker 1: Do you find that same challenge that that youlenging yourself

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Speaker 1: within hunting that you kind of get from CrossFit or sports?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I played a little bit of baseball,

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Speaker 3: like you said, went to college, got up there and

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Speaker 3: just decided college baseball wasn't where I needed to be

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Speaker 3: and kind of came up. I came home and worked

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Speaker 3: and found CrossFit. CrossFit was a way to kind of

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Speaker 3: started enjoying hunting and I was like, man, you know,

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Speaker 2: That's just not me.

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Speaker 3: Like, I'm cool with having one or two other guys

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Speaker 3: way my brain works, too, similar to where you know,

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Speaker 3: like which way's faster? And I think I think yes,

434
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Speaker 3: the answer is yes. I think some you know, you

435
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Speaker 3: have to be able to you need to have a

436
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Speaker 3: capacity to if you need to go short fast burst,

437
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Speaker 3: get steep, or if you you know, need to do

438
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Speaker 3: that long slow approach that's in your bag of tricks too.

439
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Speaker 1: Yep, yep. So let's jump into this like individual style training.

440
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Speaker 1: You've trained at such a high level for so long,

441
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Speaker 1: but that that is to get the most out of you.

442
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Speaker 1: Do you think there's like a single style that works

443
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Speaker 1: for everyone or should is it truly individual? And with

444
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Speaker 1: that like or is there something that everybody should be doing,

445
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Speaker 1: you know as a general workout. But then to specialize

446
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Speaker 1: whether you know I've I've did everything butt CrossFit, I've

447
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Speaker 1: I used to bite, you know, twenty miles to a

448
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Speaker 1: small little town and then twenty miles back. I used

449
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Speaker 1: to you know, just put a fifty pound pack on

450
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Speaker 1: and try to do five or six miles and get

451
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Speaker 1: a hundred you know, a thousand feet and a hundred

452
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Speaker 1: floors in you know, lift it back in my younger

453
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Speaker 1: days in high school sports, you know, lifted heavy. Just

454
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Speaker 1: a big guy in general. So like lifting, he's been easy,

455
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Speaker 1: but tried to like maintain that is there? Is it individual?

456
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Speaker 1: And then when it is individual? One thing that I've

457
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Speaker 1: always wondered is like, well how do I figure out

458
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Speaker 1: Like you just have to do you know, bicycle riding

459
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Speaker 1: for a year and see what you feel like in

460
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Speaker 1: the mountains and then like well that was terrible, Like

461
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Speaker 1: now I'm gonna lift for a year. Like how do

462
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Speaker 1: you how do you dial in what the right thing

463
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Speaker 1: is for you?

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Speaker 3: What I would tell you is you've done CrossFit, if

465
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Speaker 3: you've ran, if you've biked, if you've rode, if you

466
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Speaker 3: you know, lifted weights, if you've done body weight movements,

467
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Speaker 3: you've done cross it all, cross of it did was

468
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Speaker 3: take everything that was good in fitness and combine it

469
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Speaker 3: into one and then basically look at the science of.

470
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Speaker 2: How the body works and how you fuel.

471
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Speaker 3: And there's three energy systems, and we try to train

472
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Speaker 3: each energy system. We may do that separately by just

473
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Speaker 3: doing what you would call long slow monostructural stuff.

474
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Speaker 2: Or we might do high intensity intervals.

475
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Speaker 3: We might train that Fosagen or glycolytics system by doing

476
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Speaker 3: heavyweight would be the Fossagen glycolytics kind of that middle one.

477
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Speaker 2: And so I say, you train all.

478
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Speaker 3: Of those things right, And what I've what we've learned

479
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Speaker 3: through years of doing this is, you know, cross fit

480
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Speaker 3: or a version of CrossFit is really for bang for

481
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Speaker 3: your buck. You've got an hour, hour and a half

482
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Speaker 3: warm up, workout, cool down, You've got strength, you've got

483
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Speaker 3: heart rate, you've got you know. We try to change

484
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Speaker 3: up the time domains, we change up the movements. We've

485
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Speaker 3: what we've done with Mayhem Hunt is try to take

486
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Speaker 3: out a ton of the skill because that's what really

487
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Speaker 3: limits people on their intensity.

488
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Speaker 2: So it's a lot of gruntwork. It's a lot of.

489
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Speaker 3: Picking sand bags up, carrying dumbells, carrying sand bags, stuff,

490
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Speaker 3: you'd use in the mountain and not doing as many

491
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Speaker 3: bar muscle ups or some of the high skilled gymnastics

492
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Speaker 3: stuff that guys and girls. One, it's gonna limit them,

493
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Speaker 3: limit their intensity in the workout, but it's also you know,

494
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Speaker 3: might cause some energy, but it might be our injury.

495
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Speaker 3: But every once in a while it's fun to like

496
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Speaker 3: get up there and do those things if you've got

497
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Speaker 3: the time. But yeah, most people have got an hour,

498
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Speaker 3: hour and a half. And so what we want to

499
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Speaker 3: do is change up the stimulus, you know, heavy, light, moderate,

500
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Speaker 3: We want to go short, fast intervals with long breaks.

501
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Speaker 3: We want to go kind of one to one, or

502
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Speaker 3: we want to just grind for an hour.

503
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Speaker 2: You know, there's if you you don't want every want

504
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Speaker 2: to get in.

505
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Speaker 3: A situation and be like, oh man, I'm not you know,

506
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Speaker 3: this is not what I'm I was prepared for. So

507
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Speaker 3: we try to like touch as many of those different

508
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Speaker 3: things and those different energy systems and different movement patterns.

509
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Speaker 2: And heavyweight, lightweight, moderate weight.

510
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Speaker 1: Again.

511
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Speaker 3: So I think the more diverse your training can be,

512
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Speaker 3: the better off you're going to be.

513
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Speaker 1: Gotcha, you you kind of answer my next question, you know,

514
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Speaker 1: just just to put you in a situation if someone

515
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Speaker 1: only has thirty to four minutes a day, what kind

516
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Speaker 1: of training would they prioritize? Runing season, So you're you're

517
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Speaker 1: like CrossFit gym style training or you know if you

518
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Speaker 1: could do it at home, Like is that would you

519
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Speaker 1: recommend bike one day and then lift a different day?

520
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Speaker 1: Or do you think you should try to exercise and

521
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Speaker 1: do all that and want like a quick fifteen minute

522
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Speaker 1: max you know max bike ride and then you know,

523
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Speaker 1: like what what would be? You know, like the ideal

524
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Speaker 1: you have you can train four days a week and

525
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Speaker 1: you got thirty to forty minutes a day like getting

526
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Speaker 1: ready for the mountain and average outdoorsman.

527
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think one your foundation needs to be you've

528
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Speaker 3: got to get time on your feet, right. You need

529
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Speaker 3: to have have a pack on, so a rock twice

530
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Speaker 3: a week, you know, thirty forty minutes if you can

531
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Speaker 3: find hills, find hills, and then I think on those

532
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Speaker 3: off days or those days where you're not outside hell,

533
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Speaker 3: you can still be outside, grab a cooler, grab some dumbbells,

534
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Speaker 3: grab a jump rope, and you can do kind of

535
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Speaker 3: circuit their CrossFit workouts. You know, once again, CrossFit's just

536
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Speaker 3: taken all these things that worked for years and combined

537
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Speaker 3: it into one package and just kind of defined it right,

538
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Speaker 3: And you know that's the beauty of kind of what

539
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Speaker 3: we do is we've got different levels for people. Kind

540
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Speaker 3: of the highest level, you've got a little bit of everything.

541
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Speaker 3: We got kind of the middle of the road. You've

542
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Speaker 3: got everything, but you don't quite have the fitness or

543
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Speaker 3: you don't have your very limited equipment, and you know,

544
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Speaker 3: you just show up and you can do it at

545
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Speaker 3: the house on an app or whatever.

546
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Speaker 2: But and it's just getting people moving.

547
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Speaker 3: And something that they enjoy and kind of look forward

548
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Speaker 3: to and feel they may not look forward to it,

549
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Speaker 3: but they feel better when they're done.

550
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

551
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you just you need to expose yourself

552
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Speaker 3: to as many different things and kind of you know,

553
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Speaker 3: obviously within reason and have a plan.

554
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Speaker 1: One of the things that I did is because I

555
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Speaker 1: live in Washington, Western Washington, where we get seventy inches

556
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Speaker 1: or eighty year, and I bought myself one of those

557
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Speaker 1: I call the you know, the Devil's Ladder, but it's

558
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Speaker 1: it's not it's basically a reverse escal era steps right there,

559
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Speaker 1: just never.

560
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Speaker 2: Ending steps and step sa master.

561
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Speaker 1: Yeah. It does. I mean you can you know, crank

562
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Speaker 1: the intensity up? You can do that, But I just

563
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Speaker 1: get bored as So that's like one thing I fight

564
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 1: is like I'm just it's literally step after step, watching

565
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Speaker 1: a screen that tells me how high I've climbed, and

566
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Speaker 1: I'm yeah, it's great. But how one thing that I

567
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: think a lot of people can benefit from. I'm stubborn

568
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: and too dumb, Like I know where I need to

569
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Speaker 1: be to get in the mountains and be successful. So

570
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Speaker 1: I'll just force myself through it, like you know, mentally tough,

571
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: not giving myself that much credit, but I just do

572
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: what I need to do. Why it's raining, But I

573
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Speaker 1: think a lot of people just get bored. Is there

574
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Speaker 1: a way to work at excitement? Like should people be

575
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Speaker 1: like trying to beat their last pr So I'm so competitive,

576
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Speaker 1: like I've never got on that stair climber and not

577
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Speaker 1: beat what I did the day before in the day

578
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Speaker 1: before that, even if it's one step. And if I'm

579
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Speaker 1: having a I if I'm having a crappy day, I'm like, well,

580
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Speaker 1: i might need an extra two minutes, but I'm not

581
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Speaker 1: getting off of this until like I beat yesterday's steps.

582
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Speaker 1: But do you have any advice for like keeping in

583
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, the the training fund and engaging and not

584
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: people like giving up like, man, I just don't want

585
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Speaker 1: to use thirty minutes and do this and get bored.

586
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Speaker 2: Work out with people, I mean that's the most fun

587
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: for me.

588
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Speaker 3: You know, Like if you've got a buddy that you're

589
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Speaker 3: on the StairMaster for five minutes, you know, they may

590
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Speaker 3: be doing a little five minute am rap what we

591
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Speaker 3: would say a wrap as many reps as possible of

592
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Speaker 3: like ten burpies ten or one hundred foot lunch or

593
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 3: you know, like just different things and then you guys flip,

594
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 3: but you're still like you're trying to one You're trying

595
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 3: to one up him what he got on his steps.

596
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 3: You may be trying to beat him on whatever round

597
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 3: you're doing. And then you just keep doing that and

598
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 3: kind of cycling through. That was one one thing to do, yeap.

599
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 3: Working out with people's is what it's all about.

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Speaker 1: Really.

601
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Speaker 2: It builds that camaraderie.

602
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Speaker 3: It gives you somebody to hold accountable, even if it's

603
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 3: a virtual like hey, I'm doing this workout today, I'll

604
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 3: let you know my well. We never share times on

605
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Speaker 3: whatever we're doing until after, like you both finish the

606
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 3: workout and then you share times because it's always easier

607
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 3: to beat somebody's time when you know it's their time.

608
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 3: You know, it gives that a little bit of competitive

609
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 3: it makes it fun. And then you know there's something

610
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 3: to the monotonous, boring stuff because it's sometimes you mentally

611
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 3: you need that. But yeah, you definitely need to change

612
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 3: it up every once in a while of you know,

613
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 3: throwing some you know, five minutes on the climber, rest

614
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 3: for a minute or two and try to increase the

615
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 3: intensity there and try to get you know, as many

616
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Speaker 3: steps as you can in five minutes, rest a little bit,

617
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 3: go again, or change up the movement and come back

618
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 3: to it, or you know, do ten flights of stairs,

619
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Speaker 3: ten push ups and do that for thirty minutes, you know,

620
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Speaker 3: cause there you know, I think there's you need a

621
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Speaker 3: lot of upper body maybe you know, drawing a bow, uh, falling,

622
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 3: you know, like the stronger you are, because I mean,

623
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Speaker 3: how many times are you going to fall off some

624
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 3: dead ball or you know, slip on the side of

625
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 3: a hill and if you don't have that strength or

626
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 3: you know that reaction to you know, stop yourself all

627
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 3: out of this is is, Yeah, you want to be

628
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: prepared in the mountains, but you also want to try

629
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Speaker 3: to prevent injury as much as possible. So the stronger

630
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 3: you are, the better off you're going to be. And

631
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Speaker 3: so doing some upper body stuff, I think that gets

632
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: lost in the weeds a lot where guys are like,

633
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: I don't want to get too big upper body because

634
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 3: you know it's going to slow me down in the mountains.

635
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: But I've not found that to be true.

636
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: Gotcha? Can you touch on like the mental So before

637
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Speaker 1: I get to the mental side, how hard should you

638
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: push it in to work out? Are you a heart

639
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: rate guy? Are you just self driven to I'm just

640
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: going to push his heart I mean you mentioned earlier

641
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,479
Speaker 1: one of your biggest things where you're able to suffer

642
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: more or endure more of that at the end is

643
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: that it was a difference like what's the right target

644
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: when you're training it. Should it be a heart rate thing?

645
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: Should it be as hard as you can go and

646
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: forget about all of that. Should it be a distance thing?

647
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: Like what's what's your opinion on that? And then I'm

648
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: going to segue that into like how do you push

649
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: through those mental barriers? And just ye. You know, do

650
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: you have any tips or tricks to push it harder?

651
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know, once again, whatever works, Like,

652
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: if you think you need a heart rate monitor, go

653
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 3: for it. I think there's some value to doing some long, slow,

654
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 3: what we call zone two work that's going to raise

655
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 3: your your floor on your your heart rate stuff. I've

656
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 3: been doing it for I've been working out for twenty

657
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: plus years, so I know what it feels like. I

658
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 3: know kind of what the stimulus of a workout is

659
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 3: or what the goal of a workout is, So I.

660
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: I don't really I don't. I don't wear a heart

661
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: rate monitor a ton.

662
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: I did a little bit while I was training for

663
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: Leadville last year, and I do wear a whoop just

664
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: to like, you know, at the end of the day

665
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 3: kind of know what what I've done and you know,

666
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 3: track some of those things. But for the most part,

667
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 3: it's just all intuitive, and once again, you want to

668
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 3: change up that stimulus.

669
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: I think there's some.

670
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 3: Days where you you know, you want to just kind

671
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: of get in their conversational pace, which what we would

672
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 3: probably call zone two and just move for a long time.

673
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 3: And then there's some days that we want to all right,

674
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 3: we want to burn up the legs, and so we're

675
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 3: gonna do two minutes of you know, a leg centric

676
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 3: couplet or triplet, two or three movements and you know,

677
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 3: try to get as much as we can there and

678
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 3: burn the legs out rest and then you know, build

679
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: some lactate and then try to flush out a little bit.

680
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 3: So there's like, you know, it's hard to you know,

681
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: give one or two things.

682
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: You know.

683
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 3: That's kind of the value of what we do with

684
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: maham Hunt is is you know, you'll get a work

685
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 3: out every day and you'll know the stimulus and hey,

686
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: this is what we want you to do. This is

687
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: where you push, this is where you don't push, This

688
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 3: is you know, just move at this point.

689
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: And so it's fun for me. That's the stuff that

690
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: I enjoy the most.

691
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 3: And I nerd out on is like looking at a

692
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 3: workout trying to dissect it all right, or building a

693
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 3: workout like that. I I I know, all right, hey,

694
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 3: this is going to prepare for September when we hear

695
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: a bugle, you know, and we've got to go up

696
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 3: and down and over and through and then I've got

697
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 3: to calm down and take a shot, you know, like,

698
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: we like to do a lot of heart rate stuff

699
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: where we're adding in a shot.

700
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: So there's that's a good way to add in some fun.

701
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 3: You know when people are like, ah, it's just so

702
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: boring every two to three minutes of a you know

703
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: of your staremaster hop offchet an arrow at twenty and

704
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,239
Speaker 3: trying to calm that heart rate down to make that

705
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 3: make a good shot. A lot of people are gonna

706
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 3: be like, oh, it just creates target panic and all that.

707
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 3: I you know, I I disagree. It's it's helped me

708
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 3: be able to really just concentrate on the shot, block

709
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 3: out the noise, take a good shot. Now I'm not

710
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: doing all of my shooting at a high heart rate,

711
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 3: but it adds some fun to some Zone two sessions

712
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: that are forty minutes long.

713
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I was just kind of curious, Like I know,

714
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: on that that stepper, like one sixty eight to one

715
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 1: seventy two, I can go at that pace all day.

716
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: It's pretty high. But like I'm I'm comfortable in that zone.

717
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: But as soon as I get to like one seventy five,

718
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: like things are starting to fade, Like performance is going

719
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: to start going down, and so I just and now

720
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: I paid so much attention to that stupid thing on

721
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: the machine. Like I can tell like when I'm out,

722
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: when I'm out hiking in the woods, like oh, getting

723
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: above one seventy two, you know, like start.

724
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 3: But that's good to know, man, That's that's that's why

725
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: you do it, is because you got to know it. Hey,

726
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 3: the wheels are about to fall off, and I'm not

727
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: going to be able to make this shot or I'm

728
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 3: not gonna be able to continue to go. And so

729
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 3: what I would say is, you know, if you're doing that,

730
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: maybe for two or three minutes, hit that one seventy five,

731
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 3: then back it down for four or so minutes back

732
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 3: to that like one fifty five one sixty. Yeah, back

733
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 3: like you could play around with that a ton and

734
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 3: just you know, it might edge that up to where

735
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: you get more comfortable in that range. But you're not

736
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 3: gonna be able to stay in that range for twenty minutes.

737
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: It's just not not it's.

738
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 2: What you can't do.

739
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 3: And so you know, I would argue that, hey, man,

740
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: that's that's great that you know that and you know

741
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 3: that feeling. And that's what we're trying to show people

742
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 3: is there's benefit you know, obviously there's benefit because you're

743
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 3: getting physically stronger, getting mentally stronger, but you also know

744
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: your body a whole lot more and know that hey,

745
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 3: you know, stuff starting either to shut down or I'm

746
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 3: you know, I couldn't make it detrimental for the rest

747
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 3: of the hunt.

748
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. So switching gears a little bit still definitely

749
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: affect performance. So you know there's a training side, but

750
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: then there's also the food that goes through the mouth.

751
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: You know, any supplementation, Like how how much does that

752
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: affect the performance and the ability to recover in the mountain?

753
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: Is performing the mountains and you know, be just as

754
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: strong on day one as you are on day ten,

755
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, on a long, tough hunt.

756
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's huge.

757
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 3: I think you know, that's another thing when you're you're training,

758
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: uh to kind of either track or just know that

759
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 3: what's going into your body. Like I know, if I'm

760
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 3: you know, normal kind of training, I'm one hundred grams

761
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: of fat, two hundred grams of car or two hundred

762
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 3: grams of protein, and about four hundred grams of carbs.

763
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 3: Three hundred and four hundred grams of carbs, and you

764
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: don't think you know when you're just kind of trudging

765
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: along just you know, depending on if you're doing a

766
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: ton of glassing or getting to a spot or still

767
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 3: hunting or whatever, your body you're just moving all day

768
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: and so you you consume way more calories than you think.

769
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 3: And so I think being you know, obviously you don't

770
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 3: want to be in too too high of a surplus,

771
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 3: but you'd never want to get in a deficit. And

772
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 3: just knowing that and knowing how your body reacts to

773
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 3: different carbohydrates, different types of protein, fat, and and a

774
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 3: lot of that stuff's got to be light if you're

775
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 3: carrying it, and you don't want to have a heavy pack.

776
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: And so.

777
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's getting to know those things and

778
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 3: knowing that about your body. Usually they say a ground

779
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 3: a gram of protein per pound of body weight, usually

780
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 3: pretty good rule of thumb. And then you know, depends

781
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 3: on how much physical activity you're doing with with fat

782
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,479
Speaker 3: and protein, I mean fat and carbohydrate, and so those

783
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 3: are the two that you kind of can mess around

784
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 3: with a little bit. But yeah, I think you know

785
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 3: everybody's that's another thing where everybody's just different. Like some

786
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 3: people can can be fat adapted where they burn fat

787
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 3: instead of carbs, and some people need a lot more carbs.

788
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 3: And something that I've learned is over the years that

789
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 3: I do really well with carbs and and feel better, more.

790
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: More recovered with carbohydrate. And then sleep.

791
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 3: You know, if you're training in the off season as

792
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 3: much sleep as you can, mountains are going to be

793
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 3: way different. So you don't want to have a bunch

794
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: of bad sleep nights and then go into the mountain

795
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 3: because it's not going to get any better.

796
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: Usually, yeah, yeah, And what twenty nineteen, I trained hard

797
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 1: and then was able to like try to carry Keto

798
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: into the mountains with me, you know a lot of

799
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: coconut oils and and you know, f bombs and all

800
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: these things like trying to get the calories in and

801
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,439
Speaker 1: and it was a weird feeling where I couldn't go,

802
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: you know, like you said that that that last last

803
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: couple hundred yards, like I didn't have anything in the

804
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: tank to run. But I felt like I my like

805
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: in the middle that that like slow steady pace was amazing,

806
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: Like I could do that all day long with better

807
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: And so it's like I traded maybe some high end

808
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: performance for for like just all out, you know, fat

809
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: adapted energy, and it was like a weird mix. But

810
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: then my typical years, you eat good trying to get

811
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: in shape, you know, knock off of five pounds or

812
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: whatever is you're training before a season. Then you switch

813
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: over to skittle snickers and you know, mountain house freeze

814
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: dried and you feel terrible. But then like once you

815
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: get there, once you're kind of you know, hooked on

816
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: the simple sugars. It's almost like you're body, you know,

817
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: complains not not having them, Like, hey, you're not gonna

818
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: be able to climb this next little bit unless you

819
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: have some you know, sour patch kids. You know, like

820
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: it's almost like your body and it's like, you know,

821
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: I pay a lot of attention, but you're like, gosh,

822
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: I don't really want to eat any more, you know,

823
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: simple candy. But that's kind of the rut I fall

824
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: into every year. And uh, you know, pack packing all

825
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: that protein in the mountains is sometimes tough and you

826
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: go into a deficit. Well you know better than I do, Like,

827
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: all right, you're burning all this you know energy, you're

828
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: not you know, feeding your muscles with any protein. So

829
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I'll get by on sixty seventy grams

830
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: and it's just not.

831
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: It's not conducive.

832
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, you almost got to figure out and get get

833
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: creative with it. Yeah, I mean what I look at

834
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 3: it is it's a competition week weekend.

835
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: You know, when we compete at the Games for years.

836
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 3: Man, well, and your stomach's kind of not from just

837
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 3: you know, the stress of competing, which, man, hunting, to

838
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 3: me is the most relaxing and most stressful time of

839
00:36:59,360 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 3: the year.

840
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: You know, I come back better.

841
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,959
Speaker 3: But in it, man, the the the emotional roller coaster

842
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 3: of oh hey, maybe just over this hill there's something there,

843
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 3: or in this next group of heavy timber there's something here,

844
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 3: and then you know, you build that up and then

845
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 3: you're back in an aspen flat the middle of the

846
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 3: day and you're like, this sucks. There's nothing here, you know,

847
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 3: and man, there's just such an emotional roller coaster. So

848
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: it's almost like a competition week So during those kind

849
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 3: of competition weekends or weeks, man, it's it's simple sugars.

850
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 3: It's you know, stuff that I wouldn't normally eat throughout

851
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: the year, but it works, right. It's it's quick, it's light,

852
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 3: it's what I got to eat. It's not optimal, it's

853
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 3: not healthy. You know, people are like, well, you know,

854
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 3: that's not good for you, and it's not good for

855
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 3: the environment or whatever.

856
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: But sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. And

857
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 2: you know, i'd be lying to say that we don't

858
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: do that.

859
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 3: You know, I do a lot of We'll bring those

860
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: kind of apple sauce packets or you know, to try

861
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 3: to clean it.

862
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: Up a little bit. You know, yeah, that does seem

863
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 2: to help.

864
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 3: But man, i'd be lying to say, little Debbie or

865
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 3: you know, for us, it's a peanut butter and jelly

866
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 3: regularly in the pack. I usually have one for lunch

867
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 3: and then another one as soon as we finish that

868
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 3: last climb, just to give us something to look forward to,

869
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: and usually make it the night before, so it's nice

870
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 3: and like soggy and kind of just all mashed together.

871
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: But man, there's something about that sandwich when you get

872
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 3: to the top of that last hill.

873
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's you know. I went through the phase

874
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: of like those little gels, you know, the gu jels

875
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: or the cliff gels, and it's like, man, this is

876
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: like lead straight to you know, diabetes. But yeah, it

877
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: would it does work in the moment, you know, and

878
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 1: your legs are bonking and and nothing seems to be working,

879
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: and it is a is a pick me up, but yeah,

880
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: it's and that's the stuff where I think people just

881
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: have to play with what your body needs, you know,

882
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: if you eat this way down on the you know,

883
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: at home, and what do you need the mountains or

884
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: what can you get by with without it being too

885
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: detrimental to your performance? And and some guys, you know,

886
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: I've got buddies that have you know, got pulled away

887
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: from Spike Camp, slept under a tree and didn't have

888
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: food for days, you know, but that's what they're willing

889
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: to do for success. And so yeah, your body will

890
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: run on it. It's just definitely off.

891
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: It'll figure it out.

892
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just figure it out. Uh. So let's kind

893
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: of close out the whole, uh training or supplementation, Like

894
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: what do you feel like is there is there something

895
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: that like people need to avoid? Is there bad information

896
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: out there? Like is there major mistakes people do with

897
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: training or food or just like put a button on

898
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: this whole you know topic. I know we didn't get

899
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: super deep into it, but you know.

900
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 3: Man, I think that there's a you know, the myth

901
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 3: that there's the perfect training system out there. I think

902
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 3: everybody's different, everybody's time is different, everybody, what everybody enjoys

903
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: is different. I think, you know, doing something is better

904
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 3: than nothing. The best program and the best diet. Really

905
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 3: it goes to nutrition as well. It's something that you're

906
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 3: going to continue to do. Obviously on diet, the more

907
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 3: you can stay away from anything processed. I think, you know,

908
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 3: having a freezer full ELK meet out here year round

909
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 3: helps a ton with that. Trying to eat as many

910
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 3: you know, steal from CrossFit high you know, lean meats, nuts, seeds,

911
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 3: some fruit, little starch, no sugar. If you can abide

912
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 3: by that seventy to eighty percent of the time, you're

913
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: gonna be doing pretty darn good. And then you know,

914
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 3: don't get too uh, too strict with it at times, man,

915
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 3: it's it's enjoy life and have some fun. But I

916
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 3: think fitness, fitness is something that's gonna There's gonna be

917
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 3: times where it's it's a ton of fun and you

918
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: look forward to it, and there's times that are it's

919
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 3: gonna be monotonous and you're gonna hate it. But I

920
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 3: think both times are beneficial, right, And so it's just man,

921
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 3: it's just consistency over a long, long period of time

922
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 3: is what's gonna pay off.

923
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. And you know, one saying that I've kind of

924
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: looked to is don't don't don't be motivated to work

925
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: out and eat clean, like be disciplined, because motivation is

926
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: gonna fluctuate, where discipline is just alwishing yourself to do it.

927
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, the most thing don't last long.

928
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, And for me, I got to a point where

929
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: I was, you know, headstrong enough that like I really

930
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: don't want to get on this machine when I used

931
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: to work out at a commercial gym, like I don't,

932
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: And then I would like, no, that's what you're doing,

933
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: you little you know, your little pansy, Like go get

934
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: on that machine. If that's the one that you were

935
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: dreading today, then you're gonna spend more too on it.

936
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: And and yeah, So it's it was that discipline of like,

937
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: get up, do the work every day, and like you said,

938
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: even if you're doing it wrong, if you're sweating and

939
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: you're breathing hard and you're getting stronger, like it's better

940
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: than sleeping in or or not getting to work out.

941
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: At all man.

942
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it is consistency. Just consistency, Yeah, that discipline.

943
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 4: So yeah, now we're gonna switch switch gears a little bit.

944
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 4: Make an announcement here. You know, I always want to

945
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 4: talk to Rich. I love the aspect of health and fitness.

946
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: But we're also gonna make an announcement here for the

947
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: Meat Eater brand of podcasts. We are excited to announce it.

948
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: Rich is going to be kind of taking over this channel.

949
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: He's going to be the new host of what we're

950
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: calling In Pursuit I believe right in Pursuit podcast. Yeah,

951
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: and uh so excited to make that announcement. I think

952
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: it mirrors. First episode is going to drop on the

953
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: fourteenth of August four. Dirk and I will produce the

954
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: episodes up until that point, and Dirk and I aren't

955
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: going anywhere. We're still going to deliver twelve episodes a

956
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 1: year under the Cutting the Distance podcast name. I believe

957
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna live under the podcast. It's like a special.

958
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: But this is going to give both Rich the ability

959
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: to dive deeper into in Pursuit and some of these

960
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: topics that we covered today. I'll let him explain here

961
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: in a second. But this will also give Dirk and

962
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,439
Speaker 1: I the ability to focus more on Phelps game calls,

963
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: which is really what our job should be. But then

964
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: when we when we do produce these twelve episodes, we're

965
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: going to dive deeper into the tactics, techniques, the technical side,

966
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: bring on the right biologists and try to interweave you know,

967
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: hunting hunting tactics in with the biology and and hopefully

968
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: it delivers a better podcast because we can only talk

969
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: so many times about how to kill turkey, how to

970
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: kill a dear, how to kill an elk. We want

971
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: to dive a little deeper. And so I think this

972
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: is gonna be a new voice, some fresh energy for

973
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 1: the podcast. And so you're taking over the rains Rich,

974
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: taking it in a little bit new direction. So what's

975
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: the vision behind in Pursuit and where's this podcast going? Yeah?

976
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 3: I think, man, I think it's exactly what we've we've

977
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: been talking about. But it's bringing in guys and girls

978
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 3: that are are professionals and you know, whatever they're doing

979
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 3: and kind of trying to pick their brain on you know,

980
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 3: the one percenter. So you know, the first couple we've had,

981
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 3: we've done for so far, we've got Kip Folks, Joel Turner,

982
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 3: which was incredible, Zach Seeler played or plays defensive tackle

983
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 3: for the Miami Dolphins, Big Hunter, Nate Illingsworth, He's lost.

984
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 3: He's pretty funny on social media. He's lost I think

985
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 3: eighty or one hundred pounds, just like a guy that

986
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: you could relate to, you know. Kip obviously started and

987
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 3: was a part of Under Arm and Joel Turner his

988
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 3: stuff's incredible, shooting shot iq and man, it's just nerding

989
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 3: out honestly, you know, for my own personal you know,

990
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 3: uh uh, I guess health and and learning from these

991
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 3: guys and and kind of figuring out how myself to

992
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 3: be a better hunter. I feel like we've got the

993
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 3: fitness side pretty nailed down, and obviously it's an obsession

994
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 3: of mine, and so to learn and kind of marry

995
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 3: all these guys are into some type of fitness and

996
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 3: maybe show them kind of our world as well. And

997
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 3: so we'll have some kind of episodes that will go

998
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 3: along with it on YouTube of us kind of hanging out,

999
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 3: working out and them kind of talking about their specialty too,

1000
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 3: and then we'll sit down and have an actual podcast

1001
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: of what we talked about and what we've learned. So

1002
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 3: I think selfishly, for me, it's to learn a little bit,

1003
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 3: but also you know, to show everybody else they kind

1004
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 3: of these outliers or top one percenters and people that

1005
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 3: are super relatable as well.

1006
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's funny how those type of people gravitate

1007
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: towards each other, right, Like you know, you doing you know,

1008
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: CrossFit at such a high level. You're like, well, I

1009
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: want to go talk to the guy that is the

1010
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: equivalent on the business side, you know, under armor, you

1011
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: cap and then yep, I want to go talk to

1012
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: the guy that's the equivalent of an archery trainer, you know,

1013
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: you go grab Joel and and so the I love

1014
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: talking businesses in general, and it's like I want to

1015
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 1: talk to the guys that around the biggest, most successful.

1016
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: I want to talk to guys like you you know,

1017
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: and I want to learn and yeah, and and that's

1018
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: just asking the questions from your perspective, and I think

1019
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: people will get a lot out of that. So what

1020
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: do you hope people take away from in pursuit, you know,

1021
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: whether they're a hardcore hunter just getting into it, you know,

1022
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: looking just to level up in life, Like, what's the

1023
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: goal and what do you hope people can take away from,

1024
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: you know, tuning into your podcast.

1025
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's uh, first of all, I think

1026
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 3: it hope, hope they'll take something away that maybe they

1027
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 3: can learn from somebody that makes them a better person.

1028
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 3: And then obviously some little thing that they can do

1029
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 3: to become a better hunter as well. You know, each

1030
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 3: of these guys that we've had on so far, man,

1031
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 3: I've I've learned quite a bit from and you know,

1032
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 3: I think there's just there's more than one way to

1033
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 3: skin the cat obviously, and that Man, it's just fun.

1034
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 3: It's fun, it's a cool space. There's a bunch of

1035
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 3: cool people doing it, and uh, you know the outdoor

1036
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 3: outdoor world is awesome, and so yeah, I.

1037
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 2: Think it's it's to take at least a piece.

1038
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 3: Of something from each of these guests that they can

1039
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 3: implement in day to day life.

1040
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Awesome, awesome. Yeah, the hunting world, I can I

1041
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: can make you know, vouch for that. Like the hunting world.

1042
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: I've been hunting for thirty five years, kind of been

1043
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: quote unquote in the industry for twenty years, and it's

1044
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: just a great group of people. You know, you good guys,

1045
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people willing to share information. So I

1046
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: think you're gonna you know, you're gonna have a blast.

1047
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: You know, you already know a ton, but you're gonna

1048
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: get to meet a bunch more. And and uh, I'm

1049
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: looking forward to tuning in and you know, seeing what

1050
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: your guests have to say, and you know you sharing

1051
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: more of your stuff. And really appreciate having you on

1052
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: the podcast today, rich and wish you all the best

1053
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 1: kind of taking this thing over in the future.

1054
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 3: God appreciate it. Jason, Yeah, it's been awesome. Hopefully we

1055
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 3: uh don't let everybody down. Uh listen to to what

1056
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 3: you guys have done for years.

1057
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 1: I think I think you're gonna be just fine. Thanks

1058
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: for joining, and good luck to fall. If I don't

1059
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: talk to you before then I appreciate it.

1060
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: Brother.

1061
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: Yep, take care