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Speaker 2: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson show

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Speaker 2: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 2: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Drive by him, Dale Lolli. He is

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Speaker 3: the Matt Williamson And Uh, well, Matt, you starting at

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Speaker 3: quarterback this weekend for the Browns.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how about that? Man? I mean obviously had an

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Speaker 1: ankle at the half and.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't going to be able to play this week regardless.

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Speaker 3: He has a high ankle sprain too.

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Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah, that's what the That's what.

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Speaker 3: The initial MRI was he was going in for was

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Speaker 3: because he had a high he had an ankle sprain.

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Speaker 3: They wanted to check it out. Turned out it was

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Speaker 3: a high ankle sprain, so he probably wasn't he made it.

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Speaker 3: He may have played through it, but he was going

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Speaker 3: to be severely compromised as he was. If you watched

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Speaker 3: that game the Ravens, he was. He was gimping around

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Speaker 3: on that the entire game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if people didn't watch, he there was one snap

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Speaker 1: where Walker k him in at the very end of

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Speaker 1: the half because Watson hurt himself and just went straight

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Speaker 1: to the locker. Yeah, you know, and so he went

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Speaker 1: into halftime.

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Speaker 3: Early, super taped up, Superta come back in the second half,

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Speaker 3: and a lot of times I maybe people might say, well,

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Speaker 3: how did you how did you finish the game? You

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Speaker 3: tape them up and you you immobilize it.

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Speaker 1: Don't let the swelling kick in.

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Speaker 3: As soon as you take that shoe off, and then

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Speaker 3: the tape off, he just boom.

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Speaker 1: He played fine in the second half, but he was

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Speaker 1: compromised for sure. And then I guess he was seen

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Speaker 1: in the boots afterwards, and I guess it was worse

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Speaker 1: than any of us thought originally. So he goes in

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Speaker 1: and they and he's like, you might as well check

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Speaker 1: out the shoulder while here too. It's bugging me well,

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Speaker 1: because that's been lingering forever.

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Speaker 3: Apparently, according to the reports, Deshaun Watson injured his right

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Speaker 3: shoulder in the first quarter of that game.

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Speaker 1: That's been the one that's been in.

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Speaker 3: That's it's the one that was injured. And you wonder

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Speaker 3: because the shoulder before it was a there was a

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Speaker 3: strain in there, the rotator cuff, which is a tear.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you wonder.

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Speaker 3: If that it wasn't quite as stable as it normally

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Speaker 3: would be. And that led to what turned out to

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Speaker 3: be now a fractured shoulder for him.

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Speaker 1: Oh this is a fracture.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a fraction.

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Speaker 1: I know the season is done, but I mean, wow, okay,

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Speaker 1: so needless say, he is not in the equation for

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Speaker 1: multiple reasons obviously. So I see this when I'm getting

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Speaker 1: up early in the morning. Okay, Watson's out, all right,

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Speaker 1: So I run and I scrambled. I'm like gonna be PJ. Walker.

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Speaker 1: And I do all this homework on PJ. Walker, And

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't think he's very good, but you

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Speaker 1: know I've watched him a fair amount. He's a backup,

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Speaker 1: and he was like his numbers were like worst very good,

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Speaker 1: like the worst in the league. So I'm saying to myself, like,

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Speaker 1: why they even playing this dude. I mean, they've seen

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Speaker 1: enough of him. He's been in the league long enough.

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Speaker 1: We know he's I'm being kind seeing he's a backup.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know if he's that. So

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Speaker 1: now they're going to dtr which he was terrible in

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Speaker 1: his one start. But I think that's the play I

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Speaker 1: would make if I was the Fanski.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, at least he was an opportunity A

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Speaker 3: to get better, right and B he's going to be

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Speaker 3: on your team next year.

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Speaker 1: You would hope, like I really liked the draft pick

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Speaker 1: and he played well the preseason. Like you need somebody

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Speaker 1: cheap behind Watson because he's a sixty three million dollar

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Speaker 1: cap hit. That's a different story altogether. This is a

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Speaker 1: terrible trade. So you can't be having a Trubisky out

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Speaker 1: there as your backup. So go draft someone that's pretty

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Speaker 1: NFL ready by rookie standards.

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Speaker 3: And is similar in style to your starter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he moves well. He played one game, so I

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Speaker 1: don't want to take too much away from that against

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Speaker 1: a good defense. But it was a really bad game.

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Speaker 3: It was a horrendous game. Now, I will say, going

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Speaker 3: into that week, Watson was expected to start that game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder how much first team reps at took.

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Speaker 3: People have said that if you remember back to that week,

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Speaker 3: I don't Watson didn't take it. Remember he showed up

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Speaker 3: the game before the Ravens. Watson shows up on the

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Speaker 3: injury report is questionable. Didn't practice?

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Speaker 1: Was that the first of that weird so was the first? Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's when didn't practice? Didn't practice?

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Speaker 3: Thursday got three, Like threw the ball three times on

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Speaker 3: Friday and said, ook, I'm done, and then he ended

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Speaker 3: up trying to play. You know, oh yeah, he's not

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Speaker 3: going to play this week.

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Speaker 1: That's the one where he warmed up on Sunday morning

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Speaker 1: and he looked terrible. They were showing clips.

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Speaker 3: So the people saying that that Dorian Thompson Robinson he

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Speaker 3: didn't get any snaps that week, bull crap. He took

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Speaker 3: all the snaps that week.

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Speaker 1: Because Walker wasn't the two at that point, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: he wasn't. I don't think he was on the team.

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Speaker 1: They just traded Josh Dobbs before that. That was so

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Speaker 3: Thompson Robinson got all the snaps that week. Still went

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Speaker 3: out and completed I think it was eighteen of thirty

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Speaker 3: seven passes or something like that, no touchdowns, three interceptions,

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Speaker 3: got sacked four times the fourth. It was not good.

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Speaker 1: It was not good at all. And it just shows

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Speaker 1: preseason is a lot different than the regular season. Like

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Speaker 3: Against third and fourth exactly against guys who were the

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Speaker 3: guy that the Steelers signed to their practice squad day.

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Speaker 3: The linebacker was working at Amazon. That's what a lot

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Speaker 3: of those guys that he played against in the spring

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Speaker 3: or in the summer, that's what they're doing now where

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Speaker 3: they're working on the docks at Amazon.

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Speaker 1: So you were right about the numbers. He completed just

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Speaker 1: under fifty three percent of his passes, and I don't

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Speaker 1: of twenty eight, average depth of target of nine to four.

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Speaker 1: And this is a deal with all the Browns quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Long time to throw. I mean, he's a two point

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Speaker 1: nine guy. I mean only one game. But when I

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Speaker 1: They hold the football better. Not this week.

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Speaker 3: No, he had better not because the Brown's also missing

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Speaker 3: their tackles.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess we want to practice reports and stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious what they I was listening to podcast on

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Speaker 1: playing Dwan Jones and the left tackle. Luck. I don't

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Speaker 1: other thing is they have like ten percent of their

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Speaker 1: snaps with six offensive linemen on the field, which I

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Speaker 1: have a theory about it kind of want to get into,

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Speaker 1: Steeler move, But are you gonna try it out a

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Speaker 3: I mean you could and then bump everybody else at

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Speaker 3: the center in the middle if we've seen that before,

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Speaker 3: and then you're you're right tackle.

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Speaker 1: He's still your right tackle. Yeah, he's still your right tackles.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that'll be out of their repertoire

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's gonna be old school type football.

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Speaker 1: It is. It is in that.

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Speaker 3: You know, I feel the Steelers have Cam Hayward back.

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Speaker 3: I feel pretty good about that. Uh you know, Keanu

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Speaker 3: Benton is playing well. Uh so you feel good about that.

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Speaker 3: And you know at some point during this game they

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, They're not gonna just run and run

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Speaker 3: The interesting thing about Thompson Robinson's numbers. I look back

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Speaker 3: the three interceptions came late in the fourth quarter when

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Speaker 3: the game was all well decided. The first one he

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Speaker 3: They set up up at the ten yard line. They

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Speaker 3: take it in there. But beyond that, it wasn't like

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Speaker 3: he was throwing interceptions, and that's what led to the

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Speaker 3: twenty eight to three lead. Was already when he threw

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Speaker 3: he threw interceptions.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, the game was pretty wide settled at that point.

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Speaker 1: And then he threw some picks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, before that he had they had fifty

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously they're going to trust their defense to

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Speaker 1: you know, defense is going to have to make some plays,

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Speaker 3: This is going to be another game. And the Steelers

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Speaker 3: have played all their games this way this year where

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Speaker 3: any drive that ends in a kick is a good one.

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Speaker 1: It's fine, it's fine. Yeah, don't turn the ball over.

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Speaker 3: Set him up with a short field, don't make anything

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Speaker 3: you know, if it's if it's a situation where you're

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Speaker 3: looking at you're at the Cleveland thirty eight and Mike

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Speaker 3: Toman's looking at we can either try the field goal

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Speaker 3: here and if Boswell misses it, they're going to get

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Speaker 3: the ball to forty five. Or we can punt them

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Speaker 3: deep and try to pin them down at the five,

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Speaker 3: pin them down at the five.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, maybe that no man's land land where it's

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Speaker 1: a real hard punt or a short punt, but a

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Speaker 1: real far kick or a field goal. But you don't

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Speaker 1: want to quite go for it. You don't want to

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Speaker 1: give them the ball midfield, no where. If they get

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Speaker 1: twenty yards now they get a field goal, don't give

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Speaker 1: them any points. And I'm sure their passing game is

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Speaker 1: going to be massively condensed. And I'm sure they'll take

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Speaker 1: some go ball shots which aren't difficult throws, you know,

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Speaker 1: off play action. I'm sure as you've been bringing up

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Speaker 1: a lot of short throws in Djoku and then after

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Speaker 1: the catch stuff with him, maybe they'll try to get

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Speaker 1: with him. They seem like they've been trying to manufacture

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Speaker 1: traditional you know, ball comes out on time out patterned

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Speaker 3: Yeah, at some point, you know, this kid is going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was in well over his head that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's gonna be a lot on the

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Speaker 1: I just don't know where Browns points are gonna come from. Now.

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Speaker 1: Like I can't imagine their offense average and four yards

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Speaker 3: That was back in Week four. In that game, the

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean that's I think that's what it was.

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Speaker 3: That's the other thing, Young quarterbacks do. Yeah, they'll turn

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Speaker 3: so I'll just I'll give ground and you can't.

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Speaker 1: Do that, though, Like I expect him to be better

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Speaker 3: They're hoping he's he's gotten better.

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Speaker 1: They're hoping that he is. He a better.

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Speaker 3: Opportunity to get better. He will get better as this

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Speaker 1: No he's not.

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Speaker 3: But he's at least started games before.

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Speaker 1: This is fourth year in the league, and yeah, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you look at what Baltimore did in that

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Speaker 1: Which is enough than it was.

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Speaker 3: Just don't screw it up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't screw it.

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Speaker 3: And that's what they didn't do last week against the Brons.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the Steelers are gonna have the same

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd take that. If you can run them all

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean what the Browns are so good at

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Speaker 3: They get nine for twenty seven from Lamar in that game,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like they're not gonna score

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Speaker 3: That, Yeah, I don't know problem doing that in this game.

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Speaker 3: If if it's third and eight and you try to

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Speaker 1: This or because again to them or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Cleveland's defense sets itself up for that to allow that

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Speaker 1: no break. Yeah, you know, just do whatever I do.

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Speaker 3: And if they do that, you're gonna have some opportunities

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Speaker 3: to hit some plays.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's screening.

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Speaker 3: They go yeah, they go zero zero coverage or something

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Speaker 3: like you know, okay, they're gonna bring seven eight guys

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Speaker 1: You know, there's nobody in the no goalies back there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so why not we're going to get to a break.

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Speaker 3: Dale Lolly, and Uh. We have the injury reports here

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Speaker 3: for today.

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Speaker 1: I've been really curious to see the browns for the Steelers.

452
00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:10,000
Speaker 3: Deontay Johnson UH has a thumb. He didn't practice today.

453
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,359
Speaker 3: He banged it up in the game blocking still played,

454
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Speaker 3: came back and played, so I don't think that's anything serious.

455
00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,840
Speaker 3: Patrick Peterson has got his day off of arrest.

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Speaker 1: UH.

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Speaker 3: Same with Isaac samlhu Keanuneil with the rib did not practice,

458
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Speaker 3: but that was expected. Mike Tomlin kind of mentioned that

459
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Speaker 3: on Tuesday. Uh, Micka Fitzpatrick with the hamstring did not practice.

460
00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,159
Speaker 3: Montrevius Adams with the ankle did not practice, and they

461
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:35,800
Speaker 3: gave Cam Hayward the day off.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so Adams and Manker are the ones here. Yeah,

463
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Speaker 1: to keep an eye on it.

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00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,640
Speaker 3: Pat Farmouth was listed as limited today. But the all

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Speaker 3: expectations are are that he's going to play on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they don't have to even tell you anything about.

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Speaker 3: Him, no, they well they do today, Tomorrow they don't

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Speaker 3: because he's still in the the way that that works

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Speaker 3: with that, I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: That's weird. That's a weird game out there with the team.

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Speaker 3: And then Friday they have to make an injury designation

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Speaker 3: and by Saturday they would have to activate him, which

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Speaker 3: is the expectation, and now the roster moves indicate they will.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so interesting.

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Speaker 3: For the Browns.

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Speaker 1: This is a long I bet they've bet a lot.

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Speaker 3: And this is what happens to teams the week after

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Speaker 3: they play the Ravens. This will be Cincinnati coming out

479
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Speaker 3: of this week. Yeah, and we'll get to that game

480
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Speaker 3: later in the show here because that obviously has some

481
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Speaker 3: the injury designations have come out for that one. So

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Speaker 3: wide receiver David Bell with the knee was limited, didn't.

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Speaker 1: Play last week. I don't think he's not good.

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Speaker 3: Either, resting were Joe Buttonio?

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Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense.

486
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Speaker 3: Amari Cooper did not practice. He was listed his rest

487
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Speaker 3: but he's also dealing with the ankle issue though, same

488
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Speaker 3: thing with Grant Delput except his injuries.

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Speaker 1: A shoulder, he's been really good for them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Marquise Goblin with a concussion did not practice. Uh

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Speaker 3: day one Jones with the knee, he did not.

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Speaker 1: Practice practice okay, yeah, Uh.

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Speaker 3: Rodney McLeod was rested. Uh Greg Newsom with the groin

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Speaker 3: was limited.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Then you're looking at David and Joku with he's they

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Speaker 3: list is not injury related breast and then they call

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Speaker 3: a knee, So which is it resting? So he did

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Speaker 3: not practice konk at that time? Is that what it?

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Speaker 1: I think? So? I don't say it properly either, but

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Speaker 1: when I hear it.

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Speaker 3: Too many w's and stuff in there, ours and where

503
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Speaker 3: there shouldn't be ours. Anyway, he's got a groin, he

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00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 3: was limited Zadarius Smith was rested. Pierre Strong has a hamstring.

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Speaker 3: He was full participant. I don't think he played. Less League.

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Speaker 3: Wyatt Teller with an ankle, did not.

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Speaker 1: Practice, Okay, veteran day off like Potonia. Yeah, I thought

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Speaker 1: so too.

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Speaker 3: Juan Thornhill with a calf he did not practice and

510
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Speaker 3: he didn't play last week.

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Speaker 1: No, he's important for them.

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Speaker 3: Anthony Walker was given the day off and rest.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Denzel Ward with the neck injury limited.

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Speaker 1: No, it's better than I thought. I thought there was

516
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Speaker 1: a chance he might be out. Yeah, well he was out.

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Speaker 1: We don't know what limited was right, right? And then

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Speaker 1: right the defensive end with the knee was limited.

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Speaker 3: Uh. And then you also had who did I miss

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Speaker 3: your Oh Michael Dunn, the guard. He has a calf issue,

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Speaker 3: but he was a full participant today. That's a link.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot, there's a lot. Yeah. I think corner

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Speaker 1: is something to pay attention to for them, certainly offensive tackle,

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Speaker 1: just secondary in general, secondary general. Yeah, Thornhill as well,

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Speaker 1: delp It as well. So no, I'd be a little concerned.

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Speaker 1: And obviously your your quarterbacks out as well, and your

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Speaker 1: best running back and some of the stuff that goes saying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some issues as.

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Speaker 1: What were we making fun of earlier in the week

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Speaker 1: that one of the the Beat reporters or maybe it

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Speaker 1: was ESPN Nation guy there in the driver's seat, like

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Speaker 1: talk about all the air coming out of the driver's seat,

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Speaker 1: and it's amazing that Watson is poorly he's playing. Is

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Speaker 1: that important? You know? I mean like quarterback. So of

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Speaker 1: course it's not amazing, but man, I mean there was

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Speaker 1: a lot of optimism in that building. Now would be

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Speaker 1: really the whole tone has to change.

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Speaker 3: As poorly as he has played this year. Yeah, they're

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Speaker 3: five and one in the six games he did start. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: one the loss was to the Steelers, and he provides

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Speaker 3: hope you know still you know right, I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: just that the rest of these guys just.

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Speaker 1: We talked about their easy schedules and then we went

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Speaker 1: through and it wasn't as easy as we thought. The

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Speaker 1: Denvers in Houston's look tougher now than they did.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, them going to now with with you know,

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Speaker 3: Dorian Robinson, Thompson, right, they're a dog in Thompson Dobson.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're a dog in that game, yeah,

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Speaker 1: without doubt. And then that defense is not gonna have

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Speaker 1: the benefit of playing very few snaps.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, anymore, give out that stat again.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the craziest things I've ever heard, to

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Speaker 1: be honest with you. So I've been harping on I'm

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00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: worried about the Steelers and that the defense is out

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00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,360
Speaker 1: there too much. So the Steelers d has been out

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00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 1: there for seventy five more snaps than the Steelers offense,

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Speaker 1: which is more than a whole football game. And that

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00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: gets concerning. I mean, like I looked at the Jets

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00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 1: today there at sixty I mean, teams like that, and

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Speaker 1: what happens as your defense starts to well, then you

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Speaker 1: lost another linebacker or you know why the Ravens gets

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00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: get beaten. That game against the Browns, well, the Browns

563
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: ran twenty five more plays in You could see it.

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Speaker 3: At the end of that game in the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 3: when when when Cleveland is running the football against them

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Speaker 3: and they're just winning the line of scrimmage, I mean,

567
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Speaker 3: just just shoving the Ravens off the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just fatigue gets everyone eventually.

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Speaker 3: Now, I will say this, Baltimore's defensive front.

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Speaker 1: Is not that deep no, it's not. No, it's a

571
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: great point. But I mean you even mentioned it on Monday,

572
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Speaker 1: Like I rewatched that game, and boy, the Browns were

573
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: the more physical deam and they absolutely were. Like I

574
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: bet Harbaugh has harping on that like crazy, I bet

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Speaker 1: they're not the least physical team on Thursday night.

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Speaker 3: Well, I guarantee Mike Tomlin showing that film to say, hey,

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Speaker 3: look this is this is them pushing around Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of it just comes down to just

579
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Speaker 1: being on the field too much. I mean, you run

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Speaker 1: twenty five more plays and your opponent, well, you got

581
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Speaker 1: a better chance of you know, a ball hitting off

582
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Speaker 1: someone's helmet, and you get you know, that kind of

583
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: stuff too. If you don't screw it up, you and

584
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: that many play and you don't screw it up. But

585
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 1: here's what's the bonkers thing is while the Steelers are

586
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: minus seventy five in plays, which is concerning, they're plus

587
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: one sixty six, which is like eighty more plus than

588
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Speaker 1: any who.

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00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 3: Has especially almost twenty plays a game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's eighteen point eight. Yeah, it just happened to

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00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: I did the math, of course, and nerve what the

592
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: calculator on the phone. But think about that. I mean,

593
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: if you play one hundred and sixty six more snaps,

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Speaker 1: that's well over two whole games. And we're not even

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Speaker 1: midway November yet. If that would keep up, it's like

596
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: four or five game difference between your offensive defense. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They're very talented. Yeah, they're well coached. Yeah they got

598
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett. But when you're never out there, sure makes

599
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,479
Speaker 1: it a lot better, right, Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. I mean

600
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: you can't the Browns can't snap the ball twenty five

601
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 1: more times than the Steelers in this game. Yeah, you're

602
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: gonna end up losing somehow. I mean, it's just too.

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Speaker 3: Hard unless you you know, you see you have five

604
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:56,719
Speaker 3: long touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: Right if they put two you and you take it

606
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: to the house and you get it right back to it.

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00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, they give them you know, it's a pick six,

608
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 3: or it's a block kick, it's whatever it may be.

609
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 3: Those those changes drives, Yeah, those change the dynamics of

610
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 3: the plays run against you.

611
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: But I guarantee, if you do a study, you know

612
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: who are the most injured defenses. It's the ones that

613
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: are out there too much. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The more you play, the you know you've had things

615
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 3: happen the more you open yourself up to injury.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And if you can run, get three yards of carry,

617
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: and I snapped the ball twenty five more times than you. Well,

618
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: those three yards of cary turning eight yards of carry

619
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Speaker 1: at the end of the game.

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Speaker 3: How important is this game? Let me just so we've

621
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Speaker 3: gone over this chart the last couple of weeks or

622
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Speaker 3: that the NFL sends out. Oh yeah, yeah, if the

623
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 3: if the winner of this game will be seven and

624
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Speaker 3: three and maybe in first place, and may be in

625
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Speaker 3: first place. Since twenty twenty or two thousand. Since the

626
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 3: two thousand season, of the teams that have started the

627
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 3: season seven and three, eighty four point six percent have

628
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Speaker 3: made the playoffs. Wow, it's one hundred and fifteen out

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Speaker 3: of one hundred and thirty six.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah. But if the Brown win, I don't think

631
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: I love their chances.

632
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 3: So yeah, you know what I mean here winning the

633
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 3: Division of the If you get the seven three, if

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00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 3: you're seven and three fifty one point five percent of

635
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 3: the time, seventy out of one hundred and thirty six times,

636
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 3: you win the division.

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00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: Wow. I guess that adds up.

638
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 3: If you lose this game, that number drops all the

639
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 3: way down. You're six and four, fifty nine point one

640
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 3: percent of the teams that are going to start six

641
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 3: and four go to the plus ninety seven out of

642
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 3: one sixty four. So you still get a shot.

643
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it mean's over fifty percent still, I mean,

644
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: you're a winning record to.

645
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 3: Win the division. Your numbers straw. Remember it was fifty

646
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 3: one point five percent before it drops to twenty five percent.

647
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: And some of those are bad divisions, right, this year's

648
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: version of the NFC South, like that ain't going to

649
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: cut it in this division this year. You know.

650
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, if you're the if you are the Cincinnati Bengals,

651
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 3: like you going to bring up like we want to

652
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 3: talk about desperation here, Yeah, five and five teams ten

653
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 3: weeks into the season, eleven weeks into the season, whatever

654
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: it may be, when your by came. If you drop

655
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 3: the five and five, you make the playoffs thirty point

656
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 3: five percent of the time.

657
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: Wow. And they would have no tie breakers in their favor.

658
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: Oh not this particularly, They couldn't.

659
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 3: They couldn't win the division in a tiebreaker, right unless

660
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 3: they they swept the Steelers.

661
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: And there was the two that tie for the same record.

662
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: That's the only way they could go Yeah, you're right.

663
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 3: If it's a to win a division, it drops off

664
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 3: to eleven point seven percent. If you're five and five,

665
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 3: that's eighteen out of one hundred and fifty four.

666
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: Wow, And that's not that much more than half the

667
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: season played. No, you know what I mean, you still

668
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: got seven games. Seven games could go on fire and

669
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: sweep those seven games conceivably.

670
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, one team that has started five and five has

671
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 3: gone on to win the Super Bowl. Really out of

672
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty four teams that have started five

673
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 3: and five.

674
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: So side question, who do we want to win Thursday?

675
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 3: You know I've been kicking that around, if you know,

676
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 3: because on one hand, you can get rid of the

677
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 3: Bengals almost you can get rid of the Bengals, which

678
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: is really nice, and Joe Burrow's a Bengals. On the

679
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 3: other hand, you still have you still have two games

680
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 3: against the Bengals, and you have a game in hand

681
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 3: against Baltimore that you've already beaten them. And you know,

682
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 3: so if you think the Ravens are going to lose

683
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 3: more game, I don't Know's I mean?

684
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: I know Thursday night, the Bengals are the more desperate team. Yes,

685
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: I mean, they need it more than the Ravens. That

686
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're going to win their four point Could

687
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: you hope for a tie?

688
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: A tie would benefit you both on both sides of it.

689
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, they'd be nice to get rid of the Bengals.

690
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: I mean they are scary. I mean, and you might

691
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: have the Browns already got rid of themselves, whether they

692
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: win or lose. You know, they might be a two

693
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: horse race for playoff spots at this point, considering the

694
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: Watson injury, which is kind of nice too. But the

695
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: Ravens lose the divisions, pretty.

696
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 3: Take the divisions?

697
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,959
Speaker 1: Why, Yeah, you can win it. You could be three

698
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: to zero in the division on Monday and in first place. Yeah,

699
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: I mean, no one else is undefeated in the division.

700
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 3: At the very least, you could go into that Week

701
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: seventeen game in Baltimore with an opportunity Week eight team

702
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 3: whatever it is to win the division with the decree. Possibly, Yeah,

703
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 3: they might be by the time that you roll around

704
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 3: to that a game ahead of you.

705
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a bad result on Thursday.

706
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: I don't think there is either, right, I think either

707
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: way it is fine. That'd be great get rid of

708
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: the Bengals. Yeah, I'll get rid of the Bengals and

709
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: Browns in one week. All right, here we go.

710
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 3: We've been saying all along though that we think the

711
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 3: Bengals finish ahead of the Browns. Anyways, this just kind

712
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 3: of hold. This just puts it in stone.

713
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: I think even if Cleveland beats the Steelers and the

714
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: Bengals lose the Ravens, I think the Bengals will have

715
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: a better records all said, and that, yeah, there's a

716
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: better team. They're better team.

717
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 3: And I think is more tape gets out there on

718
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: Dorri and Thompson Robinson.

719
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be good.

720
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: It's not gonna be good, Like.

721
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: It might not even matter. The one thing.

722
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 3: So the great thing about this for the Steelers not

723
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: that I wanted to see anybody get.

724
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: Hurt, No, no, no, But that's the way the league works.

725
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: So even the other end.

726
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 3: Of that, the Browns go into Baltimore last week and

727
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 3: beat the Ravens, they lose their quarterback.

728
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: Right right right, just when you're riding high and just

729
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: in your your scariest point, you lose your most important player.

730
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: Yeah and you and you did the Steelers a favor,

731
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 3: assault you did you did the Steelers and the Bengals

732
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 3: a solid by knocking off the Ravens.

733
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and the Chiefs for that matter. And you

734
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,479
Speaker 1: got to think the Texans a little bit too, for

735
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: just when the Bengals beat the Bills. Boy, the Bengals

736
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: could kind of.

737
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 3: As it turns out, last week was a really good

738
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 3: weekend for the Steelers as opposed to just some of

739
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 3: the previous ones where the they have won and everybody

740
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: else won or they were on a buy.

741
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, so it's not bad. I mean, Baltimore really

742
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: shouldn't be concerned either, No, I mean things are breaking

743
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: their way too. They need to win. Although you could

744
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: excuse away some of their losses for their eyes.

745
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 3: They got some they get some issues.

746
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: I think Stanley's banged up, and thenk Humphrey's banged up.

747
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 3: Humphrey is out again, out and Stanley is doubtful to playing,

748
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 3: and then you start looking at some of the other

749
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: stuff that they've.

750
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: I mean, but they could lose to the Bengals and

751
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: still be very comfortable.

752
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, they'd be fine. At the same time,

753
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 3: they have blown now in the last two seasons six

754
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: double digit leads in the.

755
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: Fourth quarter, Yeah, that's insane.

756
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 3: After having never done so previously. I mean, nobody blows

757
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: a double digit lead in.

758
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: The fourth quarter very rare. It is rare.

759
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to do, except they've done it six

760
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: times now in the in the last two years.

761
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: You gotta wonder if that's a trend. I mean, I

762
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: do think a lot of this past one was the

763
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: Browns running more plays, being more physical, beat in your face,

764
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: you know. But I don't think physicality is something that

765
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: Ravens lack. I have heard the theory that they don't

766
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: have a great pass rusher to close things out, but

767
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: they lead the lead in sacks. I mean, you would

768
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: think they could close teams out running the ball. Maybe

769
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: it's more fluke than anything. They also have a great

770
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: kicker that should steal things, and they're usually great on

771
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: special teams. I actually think they're low in DVOA and

772
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: special teams are. Yeah, I mean, yeah, they must be.

773
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: Then you know, again, if they if they get that

774
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 3: kick that Tucker gets blocked on that one, they win

775
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 3: the game.

776
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's eight plays that didn't go their way that

777
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: they win. If it goes the other way.

778
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean it's.

779
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: Easy to explain away and its fluky, but six and

780
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: two years is insane. Crazy, Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.

781
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: Again, they'd never done that before under I'm looking for

782
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 3: that stat that, but they had never done that before

783
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 3: under Harbor, and all of a sudden they can't. I mean,

784
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: they've won some games where they had double digit leads

785
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 3: but because they.

786
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: Were up they won. Yeah. Yeah, they've won a lot

787
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: of them. But the fact that people have come back

788
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: is concerning.

789
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you look at the win probability on that

790
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: one until about what was that, uh, eleven twelve left

791
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: in the third quarter. In the fourth quarter, this is

792
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: right after a sack by the Ravens. By the Ravens,

793
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 3: it's it's fourth and or second and fifteen at the

794
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 3: Cleveland twenty and Watson hits a deep pass to Amari

795
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 3: Cooper for twenty five yards. Before that, the Ravens are

796
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 3: leading thirty one seventeen.

797
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: They had a fourteen point lead at three different times.

798
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: They had a win probability at that point according to

799
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: next Gen stats, are like ninety six point seven. Wow,

800
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 3: ninety six point seven with eleven minutes left in the

801
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter, and then you after the Elijah

802
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: Moore touchdown reception that was yeah, Deshaun Watson was sacked

803
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 3: by Justin mattic Bouquet that made it ninety six point seven.

804
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 3: He fumbled on the play. They've they've the Browns recovered it.

805
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: Whatever.

806
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: So after the touchdown to Elijah Moore went to ninety

807
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: one percent, which.

808
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: Is still okay, they hit you with a ray cross.

809
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 3: But after the Greg Knewsom pick six, they had a

810
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 3: sixty point seven percent chance, but they missed the extra point,

811
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 3: which put the Ravens back up to sixty seven point

812
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 3: four percent.

813
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: And then you're thinking, we're fine, yeah, you know, we

814
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: still got that.

815
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 3: We got eight sixteen left.

816
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: Were watching this, leaders were like, all right, I will

817
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: that got out a hand for a minute, but we'll

818
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: be fine. Yeah.

819
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: The Browns get the ball back with four point fifty

820
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 3: five remaining and Baltimore's a fifty nine point three percent

821
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 3: chance to still win the game. Then they get another

822
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 3: sack by oh Way that increases Baltimore's chances to sixty

823
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 3: six point six places down or something that's with that's

824
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 3: with three h two left.

825
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: Three h two left, and you got a two to

826
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: three chances.

827
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 3: And then they come back out and Cooper catches this

828
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 3: seventeen yard pass. Now it drops back down the fifty

829
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 3: four fifty five point four percent, they get a sixteen

830
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 3: yard scrambled by what It just kept going down and

831
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 3: down and down and down.

832
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: And then it goes below fifty percent. Like, yeah, you

833
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: still have the lead. I mean, you're still the only

834
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: time you were get to stop when they needed it. Yeah,

835
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: I mean the clock went to zeros. Is the first

836
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: time the Browns had to lead in that game.

837
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 3: The Ravens have reached at least an eighty five percent

838
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 3: win probability, including against the Steelers and all three of

839
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 3: their losses this season.

840
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: I know the Colts one went weird too, Yeah, right.

841
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 3: Like they just can't close people out.

842
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: Don't quote me, but I think they had a game

843
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: last year where they were like up to ninety nine

844
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: percent at one point, like they really threw one away. Yeah,

845
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: And I don't remember the specifics of it, just sticks

846
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: on my head.

847
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 3: So Lamar Jackson is minus twenty eight on dropbacks in

848
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter and overtime in one score games in

849
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 3: twenty twenty.

850
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: Three, minus twenty eight what EPA, Oh okay, right, wow, significant,

851
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: that's significant. That's absolutely significant. Wow.

852
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,479
Speaker 3: Jackson in the fourth quarter when they scored differentials within

853
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 3: seven is seventeen of thirty three for one hundred and

854
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 3: fifty eight yards a touchdown but two interceptions.

855
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to think more and more what could

856
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: be the cause of this. And the one thing we

857
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: didn't bring up is not that it gets easier to

858
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: play against Lamar as the game goes on, but maybe

859
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: he slows down a little more at his age than

860
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: he did when he was twenty two. And I was

861
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: also thinking, is there something in their protections or their scheme.

862
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: I don't think it's particularly great because I saw a

863
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 3: stat on Ronnie Stanley. He's having his worst season. Yeah,

864
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 3: I could see that he's given up more pressures than

865
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 3: ever before.

866
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, And I don't know that.

867
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 3: The rest of it's just they're okay, but they're not

868
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: great and past protection. Those guys are not brought into

869
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: past protect.

870
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: No, I hear you. I mean Morgan Moses is a

871
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: run blocker. They get run blockers, Yeah, they do. And

872
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: the other thing I was thinking too is I know

873
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: everyone's raving about their defensive coordinator, and frankly, I couldn't

874
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: have been wrong. I thought their defense was going to

875
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: be pretty bad this year coming into the season, because

876
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: I don't think it's super talented. But they live on

877
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: scheme defensively, yea more so than stud.

878
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 3: And then you start figuring out how the same maybe you.

879
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: Start to get a beat on it by the fourth quarter,

880
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: like Okay, well they always check to this or these

881
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 1: simulated pressures, don't Yeah.

882
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 3: They keep showing this and dropping out of it right

883
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 3: like you a little bit though in that situe, Like

884
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 3: I'm watching that game, they were bringing the heat on

885
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 3: Watson and they pressured him.

886
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: The Steelers blitz Watson heavy. Yeah. I think it was

887
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: the most blitzed he was at all year. It was

888
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 1: his Steeler game. Yeah, and it was also his worst

889
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: game of the year. So I wonder, do they blitz

890
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: this guy or you know, do they know something in

891
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: their protections that they can exploit or why bother blitzing

892
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: this guy? You know.

893
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,479
Speaker 3: But that's a fascinating game as well.

894
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

895
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 3: T Higgins and now is out, as is Hubbard their

896
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 3: defensive end.

897
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 1: So was it Hendrickson too?

898
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 3: I think Hendrickson's supposed he might be questionable.

899
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: Hubbar didn't play last week. Yeah, Yeah, so interesting. I

900
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: can't wait to key pieces.

901
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 3: But obviously a lot on the line in the AFC North.

902
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 3: This is a great week.

903
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: Great weekends, especially around here. Yeah, I was looking at

904
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: the slate today for our podcast. There's a lot of

905
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: double digit lines. There's a lot of not close type games.

906
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: But not Inssily, but then even in the in the

907
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: like the games like that.

908
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 3: So you get the Thursday night game, which we know

909
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 3: we do Cincinnati in Baltimore. Obviously everybody in Pittsburgh gonna

910
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 3: be watching the Steeler game at one o'clock. The night

911
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: game on Sunday night is okay, it's it is Denver

912
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 3: and Denver.

913
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, I thought mad, I know the Monday

914
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 1: air is awesome.

915
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 3: The Monday Night is a great game. Yeah, it's the

916
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: exact opposite of last week. No New York teams.

917
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: Stuck watching the Giants. Yeah that's good stuff. Yeah.

918
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 3: So anyway, we're gonna get to another break. He is

919
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 3: Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the

920
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with

921
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 3: more right after this.

922
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamsonshow on

923
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 2: your twenty four to seven, home of the Black and

924
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

925
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 3: Welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is Matt Williamson.

926
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 3: This is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio and Matt

927
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 3: with Dorian Thompson Robinson starting this game for the Cleveland

928
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 3: Browns on Sunday. I thought we'd take a look back here.

929
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: What our friend Greg zer line or Lancier line. Yes, yeah,

930
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 3: Craig's a kicker. Lances the draft analyst for NFL dot Com.

931
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: And the son of former Steeler offense line coach.

932
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 3: Yes, well yes, So here's what he had to say

933
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 3: on his write up. First of all, getting to his

934
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 3: measurables and everything from the combine came in at six

935
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 3: to just two hundred and.

936
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: Three pounds, so he's a smaller, slighter type of guy.

937
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 3: He's probably a little heavier than that. Now. He probably

938
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 3: dropped the weight to be faster.

939
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, combine tricks.

940
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, arm length thirty and five eights hand nine and

941
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 3: seven eighths.

942
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: Shorter arms too.

943
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's uh, there's a Kenny Pickett.

944
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: Small hands, right, I think Kenny was under nine.

945
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: Okay, oh so yeah, bigger hands all right, I mean

946
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 3: they're not big, big I was thinking ten was number

947
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 3: but ten huge, Yeah, tennis huge.

948
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: You're right, Okay, So he ran a four five six, No,

949
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: he can scoot, yeah.

950
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: One five to one split, thirty two and a half

951
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 3: inch vertical, ten to one on the broad jump, seven

952
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 3: to eight in the three cone, four four four in

953
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 3: the twenty yard shuttle.

954
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's very good numbers. He's an athlete, better than

955
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: I remember. Actually, I would have guessed he ran like

956
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: a four or five eight, But he's he can scoop more.

957
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 3: And I thought, looking at this, he was rated is

958
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 3: the number two. This is what Lands wrote, the number

959
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 3: two dual threat quarterback nationally coming out of Bishop Gorman

960
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 3: High School in Las Vegas before signing for UCLA.

961
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: So he never transferred. I think he spent his whole

962
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: time at usually.

963
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, eight starts as a true freshman. Then he started

964
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 3: eleven games in twenty nineteen as a sophomore, threw for

965
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 3: twenty one touchdown twelve interceptions, had another four rushing touchdowns,

966
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 3: then second team All Pack in twenty twenty when he

967
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 3: had he was ninety of one thirty eight they didn't

968
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 3: play all their games, twelve touchdowns, four interceptions, and added

969
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 3: another three hundred and six on the ground, starting five games,

970
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 3: because that's basically all they played that year, and then

971
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 3: he started. He was second team All League selection in

972
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, starting eleven games. He threw for twenty

973
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 3: four hundred yards, twenty one touchdowns, six interceptions, so he

974
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 3: cut the interceptions down that year by quite a bit

975
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: and had nine touchdowns rushing as well, six hundred and

976
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 3: nine yards rushing up.

977
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he is a good runner. Yeah.

978
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 3: His final season, which would be his fifth.

979
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's twenty four, alright, Yeah, he was.

980
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 3: He was an older guy coming in.

981
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: COVID screws up some of these guys timelines, of course.

982
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 3: Completed sixty nine point six percent of his passes with

983
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 3: thirty one hundred and fifty four yards, twenty seven touchdowns,

984
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 3: ten interceptions, rushed for another six forty five and twelve touchdowns.

985
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 3: He ranked six in FBS competition in completion percentage. He

986
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: had forty eight career starts at quarterback, eighty eight passing touchdowns,

987
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 3: twelve two hundred and thirty six yards, So he played

988
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 3: a lot. He played a lot very much like Kenny Pickett.

989
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think we're seeing more o'connells this way

990
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: that some of these rookies, it's a parcels thing. They

991
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: had a lot of experience, come in and look a

992
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: little more comfortable than the others. Still less or you know, right,

993
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: Lance and some of these guys that have twelve career starts. Yeah,

994
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: you know that's different. It's hard. I mean, that's that

995
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: was Trubisky coming out. Poor guy here was the overview.

996
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 3: Five year starter was below average size, above average mobility,

997
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 3: and a recent history of improvement at the position. Like

998
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 3: that sounds somewhat familiar. Thompson Robinson played in the favorable

999
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 3: scheme for quarterbacks, but he also improved as a field

1000
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:21,479
Speaker 3: reader over time.

1001
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: Well.

1002
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 3: He can extend plays and create opportunities for himself outside

1003
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 3: the pocket. He's at his best when he's throwing on

1004
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 3: time and utilizing possession throws as his base. He has

1005
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 3: lapses in vision and judgment against zone defense and when pressured,

1006
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 3: so he must cut down on ill avised throws. Thompson

1007
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: Robinson has the potential to find a home. Is it

1008
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 3: QB three with a QB two ceiling?

1009
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I mean that's not QB one obviously not one.

1010
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: Not a super high pick one thing I mentioned O'Connell.

1011
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: The one thing I think we noticed this year was

1012
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: I think he went in the fifth round. Does that

1013
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: sound right? Okay? That there were some of these dudes

1014
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: that usually go in the six or seventh round that

1015
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: I thought went a round or two earlier than usual.

1016
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: Because sixty nine starting quarterbacks started last year. You know, like,

1017
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: maybe we'll roll the dice on an experienced guy like

1018
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: him that can develop into a two because teams are

1019
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: needing twos more than ever.

1020
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, So here are the strengths listed for him. Has

1021
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: shown improvement under head coach Chip Kelly Well Okay, gets

1022
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 3: through his progressions with good timing, ken layer throws between

1023
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 3: the linebackers and safeties. Delivers football with a tight spiral,

1024
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 3: enough arm to challenge to see him and cover two buckets.

1025
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 3: Very accurate passer in quick game and on possession throws.

1026
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 3: Improvational talent improvational, Yeah, talent, improv improv talent to make

1027
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: plays when the pocket breaks down. Mobility creates additional stress

1028
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 3: on defenders. Shifty runner in the open field with twenty

1029
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 3: eight career rushing touchdowns.

1030
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: Twenty eight ton that's a lot. Yeah. So he Knowlays

1031
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: is fast, but he is kind of a swively hipped guy.

1032
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:59,479
Speaker 3: Weaknesses needs to narrow base and shortened stride him working

1033
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 3: from the pocket, it loses track of lurking zone defenders,

1034
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 3: which leads to interceptions.

1035
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: Note ding ding ding d.

1036
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 3: Few anticipatory throws into zone holes between the hashes.

1037
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: The trip Kelly offense is weird. I mean, I haven't

1038
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 1: studied it, but it's bizarre.

1039
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, decision making can be problematic when he's not in rhythm. Okay,

1040
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 3: Delivery operation needs to become quicker. Throws with an elongated

1041
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 3: wind up, dropping the ball to his waist like yeah yeah,

1042
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 3: with will occasionally throw off platform unnecessarily. And then finally

1043
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 3: below average deep ball passer lacking touch and accuracy.

1044
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: G I said that last thing because I'm sitting here

1045
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: thinking from what I remember as a player in a

1046
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: little bit in the preseason, He's not going to be

1047
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: driving deep ends and which is Amury Cooper's game, even

1048
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: deep outs or comebacks. You know, arm strength. Matthew Stafford throws,

1049
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, like that's not really his bag.

1050
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 3: So do you play more zone in this game? Having

1051
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: probably judged from what because he is a runner?

1052
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I say, you don't want him to get seventy

1053
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: yards on the ground or whatever. You know, I don't

1054
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: know how much designed running they'll do, but I'm sure

1055
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: he'll have freedom to tucket and go and that might

1056
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: be one of their best sources of offense. Really. Yeah,

1057
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: I think you play a lot of zone. Yeah yeah,

1058
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: I mean you've been vary things, and you know guy

1059
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: that boxing one stuff with Porter on Cooper even, but yeah,

1060
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: I think you play a lot.

1061
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 3: This would be a great game to have make up

1062
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 3: his passage.

1063
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was thinking that too. You might be able

1064
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: to get away without him too, and give him ten days.

1065
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: See he'll take the ball away. Yeah yeah, yeah.

1066
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 3: So and you know you've got some other guys.

1067
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: There that would you rush makea back for this one?

1068
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 3: I would not.

1069
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that the rest might do more than

1070
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: needing him to stop this offense.

1071
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 3: But I'd want Patrick Peterson with his eyes on him

1072
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 3: a lot.

1073
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: Mm hm.

1074
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 3: Your point about playing maybe half the field is man

1075
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 3: on Porter side against Cooper, and then on the other

1076
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: side you're playing zone.

1077
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 1: You might see some of that kind of stuff.

1078
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 3: You might see some of that stuff.

1079
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: You may even have to spy him with a Niel

1080
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: or Walker if he plays a lot or Robinson, the

1081
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: non Roberts linebacker, I.

1082
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 3: Would just mush rush him.

1083
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and see if I think you wanted to throw.

1084
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I want to get him throwing off platform,

1085
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 3: you know, see if he'll throw on to the wrong

1086
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 3: team a couple of times.

1087
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did, certainly possible.

1088
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 3: There were some really if I remember correctly. Again, I

1089
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 3: got to go back and rewatch this game now tonight,

1090
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 3: but I just remember some really inaccurate.

1091
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: Throws that that's was definitely true. I mean I remember,

1092
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: and the numbers bear it out. He'd being completely fifty

1093
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: per cent is passing.

1094
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 3: Yea.

1095
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: And they weren't asking him to do really difficult.

1096
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 3: Throws, No, they weren't. I mean through for hit nineteen

1097
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 3: completions for one hundred and twenty yards.

1098
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: Never forget what we said yard for attempt or yards

1099
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: as was really really bad, Yeah, really bad, really bad.

1100
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: So no, he's not. You shouldn't be a difficult guy

1101
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: to play against.

1102
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 3: No, and you know you're don't have to stop the run.

1103
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: You just don't want to ever get comfortable.

1104
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't let him get comfortable. Hit him, Treat him

1105
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 3: like lamar. Yeah, get your guy, get your your your

1106
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 3: because I'm sure they're going to try to do some

1107
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 3: stuff where, you know, some mesh points and try to

1108
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 3: get him rolling.

1109
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say I would think, I would think

1110
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: he does some zone read stuff. Yeah, so go hit him. Yeah, no,

1111
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: if you get a shot at him. He's not a

1112
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: big dude, not a big dude, and he is not

1113
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, endeared the endured the riggers of this league

1114
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: yet either. Yeah, but I mean he's not scary, but

1115
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: maybe turns into a good backup or you know, I'm

1116
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: sure I'll have some moments in the league. But don't

1117
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: let it.

1118
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:18,959
Speaker 3: Be this week.

1119
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: Don't let it we don't let it be this week.

1120
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 3: I know a lot of Steeler fans living in their fears,

1121
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 3: and maybe when we talked to Bob Labriel or tomorrow,

1122
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 3: he'll be living in his fears as well, because he

1123
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 3: is the lord of living in his fears. Uh. Everybody

1124
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 3: wants to remember that the handful of times that Steelers

1125
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 3: have lost the backups. O. I know, right, nobody remembers

1126
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 3: the like for every time that that happens, there are

1127
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 3: ten times that they beat the snot out of them.

1128
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: Sure remember the one, right, right?

1129
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 3: Well remember that Ryan Malett game. Yeah, but what about

1130
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 3: the other seventeen before that. Yeah, it happens.

1131
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 1: The teams happen. You don't win every game.

1132
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 3: Mason Rudolph has come in in one games. Sure, just

1133
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 3: got a winning records as a starter.

1134
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: Josh Dobbs came off the streak this last week.

1135
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 3: You want to get half right, it does. Don't let

1136
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 3: it happen against you.

1137
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: And it can. I mean, these guys, if they run

1138
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: the ball in their defense is dominant. The Browns could

1139
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: absolutely win this game with this guy.

1140
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 3: I do like the fact that there are you get

1141
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 3: the preseason look at yes, and you have a lot

1142
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 3: those thirty six pass attempts that he that he had

1143
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 3: against Baltimore. You have that to look at it. He

1144
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 3: can't have changed dramatically.

1145
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: No, and you at least know what their coordinators thinking of.

1146
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: We know him well enough to script our offense this

1147
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: way to make him as comfortable as possible, you know,

1148
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: And you at least have that where the Ravens didn't

1149
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: have that advantage.

1150
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, so I can get after him and

1151
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 3: force him into some errors that.

1152
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: I keep thinking about the six to zero line thing too,

1153
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: Like if I were them, I would want to get

1154
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: as heavy as possible. And I don't know if you

1155
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: can as much now, you know, especially Jones doesn't play.

1156
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 1: Are you just putting lesser players out there? So put

1157
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: tackles out there, but they'd be borderline guys.

1158
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. And does that really help

1159
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 3: you as much against the Steeler? I mean, the Steelers

1160
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 3: have good.

1161
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: Bigs, they do, and a lot of them, a lot

1162
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: of them. Okay, you make us put Watts on the field, yeah, okay,

1163
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: I can handle that, or you know Leao or you

1164
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: know one of those guys, Yeah, you can handle that.

1165
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: Or three man front of Ogan, Joby, Benton and Cam like.

1166
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: That's fine. But Blue I resnapped that with the guys. Yeah,

1167
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: they don't do a lot of fullback unlike Stefanski's history.

1168
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 1: They don't do a lot of two and three tight

1169
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: ends anymore either. That that's why I think they've done

1170
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: to this line extra line thing.

1171
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 3: They tried that against the Steelers in the first game

1172
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 3: and Harrison Bryant.

1173
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: And I think he's fine now that he's not good

1174
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: enough receiver to not be as good a blocker as

1175
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: he isn't you know?

1176
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 3: He does ye that first, that first and now the

1177
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 3: ball was thrown behind him, Yeah, the one that Alex

1178
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 3: high Smith picked off. And but there was another play

1179
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 3: later in that game where they tried to go to

1180
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 3: him and he dropped it. So I mean he's yeah,

1181
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 3: you're right, he's not a good enough receiver to be

1182
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 3: that bad of a block exactly.

1183
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's one of those. Frankly, I thought

1184
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: Gunneral Schessky was this guy. He's like, I went the defense,

1185
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: the defense is thank you when you put him on

1186
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 1: the field, Like, okay, thanks. That's not a hard guy

1187
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: to play against. Yeah.

1188
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 3: So, and the Steeler's get Pat Firemouth back this.

1189
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 1: Week, so that's interesting.

1190
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, they open up some things.

1191
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: Here's the craziest stat is the the plays one we

1192
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: talked about. If your name's not Mark Andrews, they've given

1193
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: up eighty yards to tight ends. Wow. Wow, eighty all

1194
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: year to the tight end position. Not name Mark Andrews.

1195
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: And they played him once twice. Oh, they did play

1196
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: him twice yet, but other than Mark Andrews, eighty yards

1197
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: allowed but to the tight end position.

1198
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Andrews had pretty good success against Yeah, he

1199
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 3: had two touchdowns the first game and that blowout. Yeah,

1200
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 3: but I do believe looking back at this fire mouth,

1201
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 3: I want to say Farmers scored a touchdown against him.

1202
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm wrong about that.

1203
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: I think he only had two or three targets.

1204
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 3: I get that confused with the first game. This is

1205
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 3: the one Pickens had the seventy one yard touchdown catch, yes,

1206
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 3: down the middle of the field against them that the

1207
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 3: Steelers touched. Had a touchdown in week one, and I

1208
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 3: think he then had another one maybe the next week

1209
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 3: or the week after.

1210
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: Uh, at some point this week. I want to talk

1211
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: about his role, you know, and how they changes the

1212
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: offense because they've settled into some good stuff and I

1213
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: think bringing him back absolutely helps. But I'm curious how

1214
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: they handle it. Yeah.

1215
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 3: Remember too, the Steelers did not have Deontay Johnson good

1216
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 3: point or Cam Hayward for this first game.

1217
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, good point.

1218
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 3: It's two big pieces that they were missing. This is

1219
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 3: the first game they had to play again and without

1220
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 3: those two.

1221
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. I bet Cam has a nice day in this one.

1222
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 3: I would think so. Yeah, And it was going to

1223
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 3: get to another break. He is Matt Williams and I

1224
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 3: am Dale Lallie. You're listening to the drive here on

1225
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with our number two