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I'm Jen Mueller alongside John 11 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: Boyle from Seahawks dot Com. John Boyle, it has been 12 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: far too long, it has been. We did this after 13 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: the season, and I don't think we've talked since. So good. 14 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: Good to see you again and be talking about Seahawks 15 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: football and the draft in an offseason that's been pretty 16 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: interesting so far. Well, the Seahawks have certainly stayed top 17 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: of mine during the off season. I don't think we've 18 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: actually stopped talking about the Seahawks, at least not individually. 19 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: How would you characterize just all of the off season 20 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: up to this point for the Hawks, I mean it's 21 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: I think it's been a pretty successful one when you 22 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: look at the moves, you look at the players they 23 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 1: were able to get back, the players are able to add. 24 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited about what this team's done so far 25 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: this off season. Obviously, we gotta wait and see what 26 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: happens with the draft, and there's a few free agents 27 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: still out there to figure out. But yeah, I'm very 28 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: encouraged by what I've seen so far well, and I 29 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: think the first thing we need to recap is taking 30 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: it all the way back to February when the Seahawks 31 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: did in fact make a coaching change. And it's important 32 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: to keep in mind the coaching changes that were made 33 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: because that will play into how the Seahawks are approaching 34 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: the rest of the off season. And what is happening 35 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: right now is the team goes through their virtual OTAs 36 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: and starts to put a brand new offense in place. 37 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: The Seahawks parted ways with Brian Schottenheimer. They hired Shane Waldron. 38 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,559 Speaker 1: He is a former tight end and long snapper at Tufts, 39 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: but he was also part of that Rams offense that 40 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: gave the Seahawks so many problems there in LA the 41 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: last couple of years, he has made I think a 42 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: very positive first impression, certainly when he met the media. John, 43 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: how do you read that higher? And what's going to 44 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: happen to the offense as a result. Yeah, I mean 45 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: it's gonna be one of the most interesting things to 46 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: watch really all the way up until the season starts, 47 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: because we know what an advantage teams have when they 48 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: change coordinators. Yes, there's learning and there's catching up to you, 49 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: but the advantage you have is teams don't know for 50 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: sure what they're gonna see. So I know we'll get 51 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: glimpses of it in training camp in the preseason, but 52 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: we're not really gonna know what Shane Waldron's offense looks 53 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 1: like until the regular season starts. Obviously, we're you know, 54 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: we're all assuming there'll be elements of what the Rams did, 55 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: and there's some things in that RAMS offense I think 56 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: would be great for Russell Wilson the Seahawks, the way 57 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: they move quarterbacks, the way they bootleg, create some easy completions, 58 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: catching run opportunities. I'm really excited to see kind of 59 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: what his take on it is, how much of it 60 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: is Sean McBay offense. How much of it is what 61 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: he does, And there's obviously some carryover elements of the 62 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: offense that Russell Wilson likes that they're familiar with. So, 63 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: you know, I do think though overall, it's a good hire. 64 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: It's a guy that will bring some good ideas to 65 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: the offense well, and I think that you can do 66 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: both pretty easily. Right, you don't have to change everything 67 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: that Russell Wilson has done. But the Rams had the 68 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: seventh highest run to pass ratio last season. That's not 69 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: really changing anything in the Seahawks offense. It's just the 70 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: way that you would call plays. The Rams had a 71 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: tendency to run a lot of plays out of just 72 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: a very few looks that caused problems for the defense. 73 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: You could do that in Seattle very easily without changing 74 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: the entire offense. That's really just a formation thing. And 75 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: then the reduced splits that we saw the Rams use 76 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: where you get more of the field. Imagine DK metcalf 77 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: if he's lining up a little bit further inside, and 78 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: then he can use that sideline to his advantage a 79 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: lot more. I say, there being a lot of opportunities 80 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: here without making major changes. Again, all of this depends 81 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: on how wants to implement it. But if it worked 82 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: so well for the Rams, I don't know why you 83 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't try to replicate some of these things with a 84 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: lot of talent on the Seahawks offense. Yeah, and another 85 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: big thing these Rams offensive had done well in recent 86 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: years is protect the quarterback. And some of that has 87 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: been the guys walking up front, but a lot of 88 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: that is the designer plays a scheme the way they 89 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: get the ball out, you know, create some of those 90 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: easy intermediate completions. And Andy Dickerson, who they brought over, 91 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: he's a running game coordinator here, but he worked on 92 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: the offensive Mino Rams and they were a very good 93 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: past protecting unit. So I do think that's another advantage 94 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 1: of making us changes. You might create ways to avoid 95 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: some of the hits. Russeles has been taken well, and 96 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: they did bring in a couple of players that should 97 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: help with that. Gabe Jackson is a guard. They brought 98 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: him in from Las Vegas. I know that he has 99 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: played right guard. I think that is where he's going 100 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: to slide in and they're going to slide Damian over 101 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: to play left guard. Of course, we had the retirement 102 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: of Mikeya Potty and that position. They were doing a 103 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: lot of of sharing those reps during the course of 104 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: the season, So if you can solidify that offensive line 105 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: certainly helps with protection. And then the addition of Gerald Everard, 106 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: who I found was so pleasant and I just enjoy 107 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: talking to him when he met with the media. Yeah, 108 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: he's a really interesting guy. He's got you know, he 109 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: just was pretty entertaining to talk to, and I think 110 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: he sees this opportunity to you know, be in a 111 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: familiar setting coaching wise, and really you know, he's had 112 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: a really good career so far, but I think both 113 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: he and the Seahawks are hoping there's a whole other gear, 114 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: another level he can take. So it's funny you mentioned 115 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: in the guards. When they made that move, my first 116 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: thought thought was they'll move him to left guard and 117 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: keep keep Damian Lewis at right guard, because if you 118 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: go back early enough and gave Jackson's career, he did 119 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: start out at left guards. So we'll see what they 120 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: want to do. I think, you know, either option works. 121 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: It is probably just you know, which guy's more comfortable 122 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: on the left side. If Lewis can do it, they 123 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: move him. But either way it's it's a really good tandem. 124 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: Well and at any rate, it's consistency, right, made sure 125 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: that you were plugging in the same five guys every 126 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: week and keeping him healthy, and that consistency goes a 127 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 1: long way. I think we've got the two biggest acquisitions 128 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: on offense covered. I think perhaps the biggest resigning for 129 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: the Seahawks is on offense as well, Chris Carson returning. 130 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,119 Speaker 1: How much confidence John does that give? You just didn't 131 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: in where the Seahawks run game was going, because there 132 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: was a lot of names that were thrown out there 133 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: before that deal was done. I mean, that's a huge 134 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: move to keep him here. I think a lot of 135 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: us thought heading into the offseason that there's a good 136 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: chance he'd be gone. I mean, he was one of 137 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: the best running backs in the NFL over the last 138 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: three years, since he got healthy his second year. And 139 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: I mean the Seahawks we all know they didn't have 140 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: a lot of caps face a lot of money to 141 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: throw around, so we all thought, oh, this could be 142 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: tough to keep him. And you know, you love a 143 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: shod penny, but you don't know about the depth beyond 144 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: that because Carlos Hide was also free agent. So to 145 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: bring back Chris Carson, you know, especially going into a 146 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: year in which Pete Carroll has made it clear he 147 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: wants to get back to running the ball more effectively 148 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: and being more balanced on offense, that's just huge for 149 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: this offense to have Chris Carson and know you've got 150 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: that one two punch with Carson and Penny heading into 151 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: the year. The other offensive positions and players that will 152 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: be coming back to the Seahawks fullback Nip Bolore, center 153 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: Ethan post It, guard Jordan Simmons, and tackle Cedric A. 154 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: Boy Heat. So that is what you're looking at on offense. 155 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: Those are the biggest editions, the biggest signings, the biggest 156 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: free agents retain. Now I have waited a good eight 157 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: or so minutes to bring up the next position group, 158 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: the physician group that I am most excited to see, 159 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: because I could honestly talk about the defensive line for 160 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: a full podcast. This is the deepest group that certainly 161 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: I've seen since twenty twelve and thirteen. I am so 162 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: impressed by what that unit is shaping up to be, 163 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: oh for sure, and it's funny. You know, you go 164 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: back to obviously they released Carlos Dunlap hoping to get 165 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: them back, but you just don't know in that situation 166 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: what's going to happen. And then a lot of us 167 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: thought when they went out and spent a little money 168 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: on Kerry Hyder Junior, that, okay, that's probably means they're 169 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: not gonna be able to get done Lap back. And 170 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: you know, but Hires a good player, led the forty 171 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: nine ers of sacks, so you know that's a great 172 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: move on its own. And then you're able to go 173 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: back and still resigned dune Lap. I mean, we saw 174 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: in the twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen teams what a deep 175 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: defensive line rotation does for this team, a deep pass rush, 176 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: and you know they've got guys coming back. They resigned 177 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: Benson Mayoa. You know, we're gonna see Darryl Taylor for 178 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: the first time when he's healthy. I am very excited 179 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: about this pass rush. And you know, carrying off of 180 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 1: they had the most sacks in the NFL over the 181 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: last nine weeks of the season, they had thirty four sacks, 182 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: and now they've added guys to that group. It's it's 183 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: gonna be fun to watch. Okay, that was a little 184 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 1: bit of a test. I was trying to test my 185 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: enthusiasm against your answer, and I was waiting to see 186 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: if you were going to match it or if you 187 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: were going to tell me that I was crazy. Thankfully 188 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: you did not tell me I was crazy. I mean, 189 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: I can, but it doesn't just have to be about 190 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: the defensive line. What, John, there's a reason that we 191 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: haven't talked in few months. Okay, let's just let's keep 192 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: this polite and above board. I mean, usually we have 193 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: travel and all this time to do the fun stuff 194 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 1: off the field, you know, outside of the podcast of 195 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: giving each other a hard time. But it usually happens 196 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: over a few beers. Yeah, the hotel bar, the plane ride, 197 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: the bus ride, none of that we haven't had that. 198 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: You make it sound like we don't work when we're 199 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: on a road trip, John, We work, folks, We work 200 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: very hard. But we have been saving up the jabs 201 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: and the barbs. They are going to be flying the 202 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: first round of beers that we end up having. But 203 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: let's go back to the Carrey Hyder conversation. You know, 204 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: he has drawn a lot of comparisons to Michael Bennett, 205 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: and I think that it's not just the stature or 206 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: the body type the position that he plays, but if 207 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: things go the way that Pete Carroll would like them 208 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: to go with that rotation, ideally he would be playing 209 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: about the same number of snaps that Michael Bennett did 210 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: during those years that you're talking about. Mike be did 211 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: not play over fifty six percent of those snaps. And 212 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: so if you start looking at how deep this is 213 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: and really just kind of the versatility that carry brings, 214 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: that's a fun element that I can only imagine complimenting 215 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: Carlos Dunlap. So well, oh for sure. And I mean 216 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: you go back to what you just said with Michael 217 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: Bennett in those early years. I mean people forgetting him 218 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: in class April. We're not starters in twenty thirteen and 219 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: nobody on that team. I think Bennett did lead defensive 220 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: lineman in playing time in twenty thirteen, even though it 221 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: was under sixty percent. So deep rotation and guys who 222 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: are versal, you know, carry hyder. The Michael Bennett comparison 223 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: also goes back to kind of their path to the NFL. 224 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: Both undrafted guys kind of had to make their way 225 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: before getting established, and then that versatility of you know, 226 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: he's a guy you can line up outside in these 227 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: passing downs, he can line up inside kind of similar 228 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: They did a lot of that with LJ. Collier last year. 229 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: I think you'll probably see a handful of guys that 230 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: they move in and out. And you know, I think 231 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: this is getting a little off topic, but you look 232 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: at defensive tackle right now, it doesn't look very deep, 233 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: you know, especially they did have to let Jared Reid 234 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: go some salary Caprilein moves, which which is potentially big loss. 235 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: But I think some of those defensive tackle snaps that 236 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: we're looking at will be filled by guys who our 237 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: list as ends on the roster. Well, yes, exactly. And 238 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: I think that you could see even maybe an LJ 239 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: call you're not outside rushing quite as much, but helping 240 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: out with some of that interior work. They did resign 241 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: Puna Ford. That is a huge pickup, and it's fun 242 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: to watch people get on board and really back Puna 243 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: because he is I think one of our favorites in 244 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: there just for watching in personality and al Wood coming 245 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: back that is going to be one of the more 246 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: underrated signings of the Seahawks. Yeah, I mean, this is 247 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: this team. Over the years, this front office has been 248 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: really good at finding good value veteran defensive tackles. That's 249 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: a position They've just always been able to kind of 250 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 1: find that guy who has had a solid career and 251 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: put him in a good spot to succeed here. And 252 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: they've They've had a lot of success with a lot 253 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: of those guys, including Alwood a couple of years ago. 254 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: So you know, bringing him in, You're right, that's a 255 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: that's a really solid a guy who can help you 256 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: a lot and play a lot of snaps and be 257 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: a great run defender. So yeah, you know, again, losing 258 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: Jarren Reid is tough, but overall, when you look at 259 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: this defensive line and bringing punafore back, I'm very excited 260 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: about this group. Well, and is it overstated, And we've 261 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: talked about how good this group is going to be, 262 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: But I also think it's not just the return of Dunlap. 263 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: It's having him here for an entire year, right, It's 264 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: the benefit of getting these guys in the building, whether 265 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: that's virtually or actually in the building, right, knowing that 266 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: they can start from day one together instead of what 267 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: last offseason felt like, right, and what training camp felt like, 268 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: and what it was when Dunlap came in during the 269 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: middle of the year. Yeah, I mean for any player, 270 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: jumping in mid season is always going to be challenged. 271 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: And you know, he was coming from a totally different 272 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: defense and just joined the team on the fly and 273 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: still played incredibly well. He had five sacks. He basically 274 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: closed out two wins with end of game sacks. So yeah, 275 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: give him a full off season, even if some of 276 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: its virtual, just season learning the defense, being here for 277 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: training camp in a preseason, all of that. Get all 278 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: these guys and we hear it all the time. Defensive 279 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: line is there's cohesiveness, it builds. There's chemistry of knowing 280 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: how a guy next to you likes to rush and 281 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: things like that, so they can build that together starting 282 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: training camp instead of in October. Well, now, let's move 283 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: to the back end of this defense, because I do 284 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: think the defensive line and the back end of this 285 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: defense it's a combination that you need to talk about together. 286 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: Because the Seahawks do lose a couple of pieces back there. 287 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: You don't have Shatt Griffin back this year and Quentin Dunbar, 288 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: who he didn't see for the full season. He ended 289 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: up signing with the Lions. So I do think there's 290 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 1: a huge question mark around who's going to play cornerback 291 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: and is there enough depth in the secondary. I also 292 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: think that my stress level about that has gone down 293 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: knowing what's going to happen up front. Oh, for sure, 294 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 1: A good pass rush, as we all know, is the 295 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: best friend of the secondary. It'll make life easier on 296 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: those guys. To me right now, cornerback is, you know, 297 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: one of the most intriguing positions going into training camp. 298 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: We'll see what happens going forward. There's obviously the draft 299 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: coming up, there's free agency. They might not be done 300 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: adding to that group. But as it stands now, you've 301 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: got four guys with starting experience. You've got Trey Flowers 302 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: to Mary's Randall, DJ Read, and then they went out 303 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: and added Aquila Witherspoon. None of those guys, I think 304 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: you can just assume this guy is starting at this 305 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: position to start the season. You know, I wouldn't want 306 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: to handicap it yet, but I think you got to 307 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: give all those guys chances at starting jobs. Randall was 308 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: a three year starter at Green Bay, a former first 309 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: round pick before he got moved to safety. So you know, 310 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: all those guys can do different things. You know, I 311 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: don't know who's going to end up where, how that 312 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: competition plays out. And again, they might still be adding guys, 313 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: but they've added some guys and I feel like they've 314 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: got good depth there. But do they have the two 315 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: starters they want yet? I don't know. We left to 316 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: wait and see. Well, and I think certainly the player 317 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: that we are least familiar with, at least from a 318 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: how does he fit into the Seahawks system, Aquila Witherspoon. Right, 319 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: we know that he came from the forty nine ers, 320 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: We know that he can play either side of the field. 321 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: He was actually chosen higher than Shaq Griffin was in 322 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: that twenty sixteen draft. I know that he is coming 323 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: out of a defensive scheme that is similar to what 324 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: the Seahawks run. But John, do you have any questions 325 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,479 Speaker 1: as to whether he can transition to the right footwork 326 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: into that technique because we have not seen it happen 327 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: where outside free agents come in and seamlessly fit into 328 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: playing cornerback. Yeah, I mean, just as you said, I 329 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: think I feel worse about it and be more worried 330 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: about him being an outside free agent had he not 331 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: come from a defense so similar and being teammates. I mean, 332 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: we all saw when Richard Sherman was here. We saw 333 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: how he takes young guys under his wing and likes 334 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: to coach guys up. So it's not just the system. 335 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: But you also had kind of the pre eminent Pete 336 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: Carroll era cornerback working with him in San Francisco. So 337 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be a hard adjustment 338 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: when you talk about technique scheme, knowing the defense. Ye, 339 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: we'll just have to see how he plays and how 340 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: he competes with the other guys. But I think he's 341 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: gonna fit in just find knowing the defense. You know what. 342 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: That is a great point because I kept thinking about 343 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: Robert Selah, right, like if it's the coach in the scheme, 344 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: but you gotta look at whom his mentor would have been. Yeah. Absolutely. 345 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: You go back to every quarterback, whether it's Shack, whether 346 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: it's Trey Flowers, the old Simon back in the day, 347 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: just about every cornerback that's come through post Richard Sherman 348 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: had Richard Sherman in his here coaching him up. And 349 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure whether Spoon had the same thing down there. Well, 350 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: you know, we haven't talked to him yet, but that'd 351 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: be something might be curious to ask him. Well, and 352 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you brought up the name Richard Sherman, 353 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: because Richard Sherman is one of the names that skews 354 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: every single draft conversation that we have had since about 355 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: twenty twelve, Right, Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, cam Chancellor, Russell Wilson, 356 00:16:55,840 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner, kJ Wright. That group of players was so 357 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: good is still so good, the ones that are playing 358 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: right and so talented that when it comes around too, 359 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 1: who were the Seahawks going to pick? And how do 360 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: we evaluate draft classes? I think that there is an 361 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: unfair measurement and standard that was set by some of 362 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: the greatest and franchise history. Oh for sure. I mean 363 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: they literally drafted two Hall of Famers ninety minutes apart 364 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: on a Friday in twenty twelve. I mean, you draft 365 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner and Russell Wilson. It's a it's an impossible 366 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: standard to keep up and be. I think people tend 367 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: to see the failures in the draft that their own 368 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: team has and not be aware of the other ones. 369 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: I mean, the draft is just it's hard to nail it. 370 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: And there are a few exceptions, but for the most part, 371 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: you find me a team that's consistently picking late, which 372 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: the Seahawks, because they win, that's what they do. I 373 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: think Baltimore is one example of obviously nailing the quarterback 374 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: late in the first round, and they've made some other 375 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: really good picks, but just teams that pick late don't 376 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: tend to have a ton of hits. And one last 377 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: point I would make. I've seen people point out of 378 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: like you go look at a draft class and like, Okay, 379 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: they only hit on these three or four guys and 380 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: they drafted eleven. Well, I think what the point people 381 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: miss is part of the reason John Schneider loves to 382 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: trade back and acquire picks is he understands you're not 383 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: going to get a lot of these right. And it's 384 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: kind of this volume approach of if you drafted five 385 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: or six guys and you nailed three or four of 386 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: them people had hailed at as a great draft, you 387 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: do some maneuvering and draft eleven guys and hit on 388 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: four of them. People are gonna go, oh, you only 389 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: hit on four of eleven, but that's kind of the point. 390 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: You give yourself more shots to succeed if you are 391 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: drafting a lot of guys. Well, and here's the other 392 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: thing I'm going to add on to that, you gotta 393 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: understand what the Seahawks needs were. When you have so 394 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: many franchise players on the team, you're not looking for 395 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: these big time players to come in. And Bobby Wagner's 396 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: not going anywhere. He hasn't gone anywhere since twenty twelve 397 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: when he was drafted, so you don't need to fill 398 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 1: a lot of holes. The Sea Hawks have had a 399 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: lot of consistency, and yes they've turned over the roster 400 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: in a number of places, but year over a year, 401 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: even if you only hit on one or two, even 402 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: if it's Tyler Lockett, who's still on the team from 403 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: that twenty fifteen draft, right, pretty big piece. Frank Clark 404 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: was part of that draft. He's a big piece for 405 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: Kansas City right now. Twenty sixteen was Jay Reid. I 406 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: realized that he's not with the Seahawks now, but he 407 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 1: was a pretty good player that you needed on your defense. 408 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: It also has to be drafting for kind of what 409 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: it is that you meet and what's realistic. I think 410 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: people miss that part of it too. Yeah, and that's 411 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: going back to kind of you notice when your team 412 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: gets stuff wrong more than when every other team. And 413 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 1: like twenty seventeen, look, Malik McDowell. You could not have 414 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: foreseen how that would turn out, and that was undoubtedly 415 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: turned out to be a bad pick because of what 416 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: happened with him. But to my point of this kind 417 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: of volume shooting, so to speak, you still got Shot 418 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: Griffin who's a pro bowler. You got a stud running 419 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: back in the seventh round in Chris Carr David Moore 420 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: who is a solid number three guy. He did just 421 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: leaving free agency, but was a big contributor for his 422 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: four years. And then Ethan Posk, who you emerged as 423 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: a really quality starting center last year. So that's four 424 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: guys out of a draft class. Again, if you had 425 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: only drafted seven guys that year, you'd look at okay, 426 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: four starting caliber, a good players, solid, But because some 427 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: of those didn't work out in the unfortunate situation with 428 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: Millie mcdwell, people wanted to just say, oh, twenty seventh 429 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: draft was terrible. But was it though I don't know. 430 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, I'm certainly not going to call anything 431 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: a terrible draft class, not if John is running that one. 432 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: But I will say this, pressure who's on this year? 433 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: With the Seahawks only having three draft picks, They've got 434 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: a second round pick, a fourth round pick, and a 435 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: seventh round pick. I'd like to set an over under 436 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: on who buys the first round of tricks? John his 437 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: two whether we really only have three picks, like, we've 438 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: got to have at least four more, right, I would 439 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: think so. I mean it's a little trickier too. I 440 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: mean in the years where they've really turned the obvious 441 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: one was where they turned four picks into what was 442 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: it eleven picks a couple of years ago. That was 443 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: where you, you know, you had traded Frank Clark to 444 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: get a first round pick and you had your own 445 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: first round pick, so you had all this capital to 446 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: build off of. This year, that's a lot tougher when 447 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: you're sitting at fifty six is your first pick, Like, yeah, 448 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: you can move back at fifty six and add something, 449 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: but you're not gonna get you know, the extra third 450 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: or fourth round or to move back a few spots 451 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: like you would in the first round. So I still 452 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: think they do some maneuvering, whether it's you know, trading 453 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: back on those picks, whether it's trading away a pick 454 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: for next year. You know, we saw him do that 455 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: last year. They trade a sixth round or for a seventh. 456 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: You know, there's always a chance if there's a player 457 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: on the current roster that some other team likes, that 458 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: a trade happened. So I'd be pretty surprised if they 459 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: don't make five or six picks at least, just because 460 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 1: I don't think John Schier can sleep at night if 461 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: you only pick three players. That's just not in his 462 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: BNA D. I think it would drive him crazy. But 463 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be a situation of 464 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: turning three picks into eleven or something. But yeah, they'll 465 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: they'll add some some way or another. So well, and 466 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: the Seahawks have in some ways already made their selections. Right, 467 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: Jamal Adams right came out of this draft essentially, Yes, 468 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: and without knowing how anybody who played this last college 469 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: season is going to perform or be able to adapt. 470 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: With how crazy that was, I still stand by that 471 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 1: being a great choice. Because I'd rather have two proven 472 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: defenders instead of taking my chances on somebody who is 473 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: going to have to get up to speed in a hurry. Well, 474 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: and that's a really good point. I think one reason 475 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: we see a team that in most years loves to 476 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: have as many draft picks as possible be a little 477 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: more willing to give them up is they understood going 478 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: back to last summer when that Jamal Adams trade happened, 479 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: we don't know at that point. They don't even know 480 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: if there'd be a college football season or what it 481 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: would look like if there was. There was no combine, 482 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of limitations on the exposure that 483 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: they can have to players to get to know them. 484 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: So there's probably less certainty about this draft than any 485 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: in recent history. So yeah, you're a little more willing 486 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: to trade away picks for you know, again, two guys 487 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: who will be huge parts of your defense this year. Okay, 488 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: but that brings us with the last big pressing question 489 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: on this podcast. Who do you think the Seahawks need 490 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: to go after or let's make it even more general, 491 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: what position do the Seahawks need to store up in 492 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: the draft. You know, again, we don't know for sure 493 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: what's still going to happen in free agency, although at 494 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: this point most free agency is probably done until after 495 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: the draft. Most guys who haven't signed by now will 496 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: probably wait it out till after the draft. But we 497 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,479 Speaker 1: talked about a little bit. I think cornerback could make 498 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: a lot of sense. You know, maybe there's a guy 499 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: that you throw into the starting competition with those four 500 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: guys we talked about receiver right now. Look, they've got 501 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: probably the best one of, if not the best receiver 502 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: duos in the NFL, but they don't have a clear 503 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: cut number three on this team right now. They you know, 504 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: they lost David Moore in free agency, Philip Dorsett, who 505 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: never played last year but looked like he was going 506 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 1: to be the number three before he got hurt. He's 507 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: gone to now. So you've got Freddy Swain, who had 508 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: a very promising rookie year, but he's really the only 509 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: other guy in the roster with any real playing time. 510 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: So I think you need to add whether it's a draft, 511 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: we know this team's had success with undrafted free agents, 512 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: or maybe there's a veteran guy still out there one 513 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: way or another, I think you need to add help 514 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: at receiver, and then the third one, I'll bring up 515 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: his offensive line. You don't go into the draft feeling 516 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: like you need anything necessarily because you made the trade 517 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: for Gabe Jackson and you resigned Ethan Postic. But I 518 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: do think there's if the right guys there, especially some 519 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: interior line guys that you would might want to add 520 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: both depth and competition, or if you look at tackle, 521 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: maybe it's looking long term because both your starting tackles 522 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: are heading into the last year of their contract. Well, 523 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: I was actually going to bring up linebacker. We haven't 524 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: talked about linebacker at all, and we knew what kJ 525 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: Wright was doing because the one I'll say, the other 526 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: one I do wonder is they're so deep at defensive end. 527 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: Is there a player in that group that they see 528 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: is a hybrid breservance potentially if they you know, if 529 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: Kj's back, obviously you've got your starting three. You know 530 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: you've got a great starting three. If if that isn't 531 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: the case, is there's somebody who can kind of do 532 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: that dual role like a Bruservant. I don't know, Bruservant 533 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: was awfully unique, but yeah, that's that's a good point. 534 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: Strong side linebacker if Kj's not back, is pretty open 535 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: right now. Well, and I would take linebacker out of 536 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: the draft because we're probably going to need to play 537 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: special teams, right because your depth that special teams is 538 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: going to be tested if Cody Barton needs to play, 539 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: and then Ben bur Curvin is also one of your 540 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: backup linebackers. So I like doing that in the draft. 541 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: I actually like them. This is just me finding a 542 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: wide receiver and free agency because I think what's missing 543 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: is the slot guy. I know that Tyler can play slot, 544 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: but I'd like to see him on a more of 545 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: an outside I think. And I'd like to have a 546 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: veteran who can play the slot, who who can make 547 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: those things happen. That's just me, works for me, you know. 548 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: Usually this is the point in the podcast where I 549 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: would ask what needs to happen for a Seahawks win. 550 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: And I don't have any question like that to ask 551 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: you because we have no control over what is going 552 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 1: to happen in the Seahawks draft. But here's what we 553 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 1: do know, John Boyle. It is not going to be 554 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: four months between when we talk again, because we are 555 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: going to do this again after the Seahawks draft so 556 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: that we can evaluate the draft class and how things 557 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: are looking. How does that sound? That sounds wonderful, fantastic. 558 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: Get those barbs ready to go, because we will spar 559 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: and jab and with that we will wrap up this 560 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: edition of the Seahawks Insiders podcast. Things for Joining Us