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<v Speaker 1>Physical Therapy and Art Van Furniture in Mattress. Hello again, everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Jonnyac along with Tom Fayer and another edition of

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<v Speaker 1>Bears All Access for coming to you from P ANDC

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<v Speaker 1>Studio at Hallis Halls. The Bears wrap up the bourbon

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<v Speaker 1>a portion of their training camp and are now back

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<v Speaker 1>in the building and ready to practice tomorrow. We are

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<v Speaker 1>going to look at the Bears Centennial scrapbook tonight with

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<v Speaker 1>two Hall of Fame writers, the great Don Pearson now

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<v Speaker 1>in retirement and enjoy himself, and the guy who's still working,

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<v Speaker 1>Damn Pompey. Well, you know you're nipping at his heels,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're still churning out KYLEA minches so a way

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<v Speaker 1>to go working just moments before I started the show.

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<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, now I appreciate you coming

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<v Speaker 1>to halla sauce. We take a look at this book

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<v Speaker 1>one more time, but before we do that, just a

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<v Speaker 1>quick talk about training camp wrapping up and what was accomplished.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think it was more of accomplishing with

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<v Speaker 1>expectations because last year you didn't know what the expectations were,

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<v Speaker 1>and you didn't know what you were going to accomplish

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<v Speaker 1>because we didn't know a lot about Matt and Maggie

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<v Speaker 1>his staff and the way everything was gonna kind of,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fit together. And then when you look at

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<v Speaker 1>the end result, I think they went into training camp

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<v Speaker 1>this year with as high as expectations as you guys

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<v Speaker 1>were both here in eighty four, probably the highest expectations

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<v Speaker 1>since eighty five. I agree with that. I don't remember

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<v Speaker 1>any time it's been this high. I'm not sure it

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<v Speaker 1>was eighty four, eighty five, I'm telling you, you really

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<v Speaker 1>think so, it's just off the charts. I think, yeah, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the fans who turned out will verify that because the

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<v Speaker 1>last practice that was open to the public almost ten

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<v Speaker 1>thousand fans, So they drew very well over the course

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<v Speaker 1>or training camp. Many days were you there a couple? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of days? Yeah, what was your opinion. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I thought the defense just looks outstanding. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if it could be better than last year, it might

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<v Speaker 1>have taken a step up. Now, you know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's some areas where the depth is questionable, where you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to get injuries because that could be a big,

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<v Speaker 1>big deal. But boy, the starting unit just looks unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think, you know, people were somewhat concerned about

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<v Speaker 1>a drop off with Vic Fangio being gone, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't see that as being a possibility. But you know, Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>the national media doesn't seem to be as hyped on

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<v Speaker 1>the Bears as you know, you listen to different shows,

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<v Speaker 1>you see them and stuff, and it just their expectations

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<v Speaker 1>aren't as much as us are the people that have

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<v Speaker 1>come out to see the Bears, or even the people

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<v Speaker 1>that have been able to witness practices such as yourself. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think if you look at the team

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<v Speaker 1>from a distance, you see, you know, you see questions

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<v Speaker 1>still about Mitch Trubisky, right, you see people having some

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<v Speaker 1>skepticism whether or not he's going to be a quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>who could win games for you consistently when he has to. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you see an unsettled kicking situation. Uh, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if the team can stay as healthy as it

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<v Speaker 1>did last year, because that was the healthiest Bears team

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<v Speaker 1>that we've seen. And when was the last time you

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<v Speaker 1>guys have seen a team a Bears team that healthy. Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>You can you think back that far? I mean no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>long time, long time you even think of Super Bowl?

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<v Speaker 1>You lose Mike Brown and Tommy Harris. Well, they were

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<v Speaker 1>they were, they were healthy before that point that that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of got him there, right, but then in the

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<v Speaker 1>game itself they were without there. Well, Don, was the

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<v Speaker 1>history that you've been around the NFL? And Dan, are

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<v Speaker 1>you okay with the modern day playing of in the

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<v Speaker 1>preseason games? Because back in the day, you were covering

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<v Speaker 1>starters in every preseason game. Seven games sometimes? Can you

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<v Speaker 1>imagine that half a season and ridiculous and the and

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<v Speaker 1>the regulars are playing. But another fact, But back then,

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<v Speaker 1>did you think it was ridiculous? Then I'll tell you what.

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<v Speaker 1>Back then, when they're playing seven games, sometimes these guys

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<v Speaker 1>really were getting himself ship. Yeah, there weren't the OTAs.

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<v Speaker 1>The guys weren't working out all year, they were working

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<v Speaker 1>separate jobs, so they would come into camp literally out

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<v Speaker 1>of shape and have to get themselves in shape. So

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't that big a deal to play seven games.

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<v Speaker 1>Well seven games is a big deal because that's when

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<v Speaker 1>they would play in a college All Star games. So

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<v Speaker 1>but in six games, you know, that's a lot. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and the other thing Tom could speak to this,

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<v Speaker 1>guys are getting injured more today than they ever were

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<v Speaker 1>back then. It seems like now. Sometimes back then they

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<v Speaker 1>injuries were more catastrophic. You know, you had the injuries

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<v Speaker 1>that ended careers, it seemed more frequently. But boy, you

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<v Speaker 1>see more, you know, soft tissue injuries now it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like than ever before. You know, it makes injuries nowadays

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<v Speaker 1>in training camp catastrophic. Is when we went to training

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<v Speaker 1>camp back in the eighties and stuff, you had an

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<v Speaker 1>unlimited roster. So you were a training camp with one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty guys a time.

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<v Speaker 1>So if a guy got hurt, there's ten guys standing

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<v Speaker 1>behind them that eventually you're gonna find one of them. Nowadays,

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<v Speaker 1>there's ninety guys. Ten of those guys are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be on a practice squad and then the rest of them,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's you just hope there isn't injuries because

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<v Speaker 1>they are catastrophic. Then I would like to see the

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<v Speaker 1>roster has expanded a little bit. I've got a question

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<v Speaker 1>going back to when you were talking about the transition

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<v Speaker 1>of defensive coordinators. Yeah, you will remember this time, and

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen this much about it, But when Buddy

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<v Speaker 1>left in nineteen eighty five and Vince Tobin came in

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty six, although team everybody loved Buddy and

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<v Speaker 1>everybody was worried about there's going to be a drop off,

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember the team, the defensive players saying, hey, look,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna play harder than we've ever played before. You

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<v Speaker 1>know why, because if there's a drop off, Buddy's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get all the credit. Seriously, and the players we want

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<v Speaker 1>to show everybody that the players. I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the players today, if it's not public, I bet they're

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<v Speaker 1>saying the same thing. They all love Vic, they love

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<v Speaker 1>Vic Vangield. They lived what he did. But if they'd

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<v Speaker 1>have a drop off, Vick is gonna get all the credit.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't want Vick to get all of credit. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know that that's the truth. Yea, it is what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the guy's an important leadership roles when you

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<v Speaker 1>talk about fence Nick and you talk about Singletary and

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<v Speaker 1>Hampton in McMichael, and it's the whole crew of guys,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know they're they're similar leadership on this defense.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you got Danny Trevathan and then you you

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<v Speaker 1>have what Khalil Mack has brought along and what Roquan

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<v Speaker 1>is developing into in the influence of Keem Hicks on

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<v Speaker 1>the entire defensive line and the most underrated of all

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<v Speaker 1>Eddie Jacks, right, But you know he's such a young guy,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's a loud voice in there. You would be surprised.

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<v Speaker 1>Well think he's he's um had the best training camp

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<v Speaker 1>of any you know, one of all the defensive players.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's the You had one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>training camps I've seen of a young guy rebounding from

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<v Speaker 1>one year to the name he got He got tempt

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<v Speaker 1>there's a w BBM practice ball for the entirety of

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<v Speaker 1>training camp. You could make a case for Prince Mugamar.

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<v Speaker 1>You can make a case every snap for Khalil Mack,

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<v Speaker 1>and you certainly can make a case for all Kan

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<v Speaker 1>Smith it is a name defense. Now across the board.

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<v Speaker 1>You got guys on there that our top one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>players used to be top one hundred players. You got

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<v Speaker 1>guys with tremendous stats now coming out from last season.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's really a name defense requiring a nickname at

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<v Speaker 1>some point, I would think, right, you know, to me,

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<v Speaker 1>the bigger issue, as opposed to the defensive players being

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<v Speaker 1>motivated by the transition of defensive coordinators, is what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of buttons is put out I'm going to push on

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<v Speaker 1>game day and his game plans and how is that

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<v Speaker 1>going to be different? And that's something that we really,

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<v Speaker 1>we really don't know yet. We have no idea how

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<v Speaker 1>you guys might have a little bit of a better

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<v Speaker 1>idea from being able to observe up close and watching

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<v Speaker 1>some of the tape for the practices. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be an aggressive unit, man, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna love it. I think the player you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>love it. You think of the personalities of the four

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<v Speaker 1>defensive coordinators, it Vic Fangio and Buddy Ryan. There's similarities

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<v Speaker 1>between a little cantankerous in front of the media and

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to answer you, not always the way you

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<v Speaker 1>want to hear it, the way they want to say it.

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<v Speaker 1>And we don't know a lot about coach Pagano yet,

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<v Speaker 1>how he's gonna be at the podium on during the

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<v Speaker 1>game weeks in the regular season. But Vince Toben was

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit um, you know, he was a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit mellower than than what Buddy Ryan was and the

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<v Speaker 1>and the way he you know, got into the faces

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<v Speaker 1>of the players and stuff. One thing I think, though,

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<v Speaker 1>one little difference is that you know, the players in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty six and the Vince Toben era, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they were still loyal to Buddy. You know, they loved

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<v Speaker 1>Buddy and he was always going to be their guy,

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<v Speaker 1>right And Vince was kind of you as the outsider

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<v Speaker 1>who never really was quite accepted the way that Buddy was.

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<v Speaker 1>Pagano is already I think you love and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's just you can't not love that guy if you're

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<v Speaker 1>playing for him. And that's been his history, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a difference from what we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the eighties. Pompey Don Pearson joining us as we will

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<v Speaker 1>now begin our look at the centennial scrapbook that they

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<v Speaker 1>put together over months and months of research. We've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about it on several occasions with these gentlemen, once training

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<v Speaker 1>Camp with Dan Pompey, once Indicator with Don Pearson, and

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<v Speaker 1>also at the one hundred celebrations, So a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>discussion about it. It's a great book. Go and get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Go to the Bear's website, buy it. It's great to

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<v Speaker 1>have in your family to pass down through generations because

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<v Speaker 1>it's all there, it's all encompassed the one hundred year

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<v Speaker 1>history of the Chicago Bears with Paul's Orang, Our engineer

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan tread Up, our producer. This is Bears All Access

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<v Speaker 1>Act Tom there with our guests, the Hall of Fame

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<v Speaker 1>writers Dan Pompey and Don Pearson. They authored the Centennial

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<v Speaker 1>scrap Book, which is going to be the bulk of

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<v Speaker 1>our discussion here on this week's Bears All Access and

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<v Speaker 1>we're coming to you from P ANDC Studios at Hollis Hall.

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<v Speaker 1>And every time we visit, I always say, okay, what's

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<v Speaker 1>being talked about the book? Now several weeks after we

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<v Speaker 1>asked you these these questions before. So it's when people

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<v Speaker 1>get it, they have their own opinions about, you know, where,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, the player rankings are, or they it jogs

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<v Speaker 1>their memory about. Tom brought up something the other day

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<v Speaker 1>and we found out a little more about who was

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<v Speaker 1>the presenter for George Hallis at the Hall of Fame,

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<v Speaker 1>which we didn't know. I didn't know. Maybe you guys knew,

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<v Speaker 1>did you guys know? I know, but I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>I could bring it up right now. Oh okay, Well

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why that would be the case. But

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<v Speaker 1>Tom there found out and he's got the info. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's stuff like that, you know, he wasn't there,

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<v Speaker 1>did the presenter? He was George George when he wanted

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<v Speaker 1>into the Hall of Fame. The Bears were playing out

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<v Speaker 1>all okay a game I think in New Orleans September seventh,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty three, David Lawrence was as presenter who was

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<v Speaker 1>a politician, of of or advisor to Kennedy. I believe

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<v Speaker 1>it was Wow. I'll tell you what. It wasn't as

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<v Speaker 1>big a deal in nineteen sixty. But you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you think of probably the most the most important inductee

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<v Speaker 1>into the history of the Hall of Fame, it is

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<v Speaker 1>George Hallis. You know, so that's a just I you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was sitting there and I was just was curious. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the thing is, that was obviously the first year of

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<v Speaker 1>the Pro Football Hall of Fame. It'd be like if

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<v Speaker 1>you started something today and said, yeah, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>give an award to somebody, and you know, it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the recognition that it has now. We didn't understand

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<v Speaker 1>what the Pro Football Hall of Fame would come to

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<v Speaker 1>represent at that point. So obviously if we did know,

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<v Speaker 1>they would have arranged it so that Hellis would have

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<v Speaker 1>been there and it would have been a much bigger

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<v Speaker 1>deal in his life. Well, what he accomplished over the

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<v Speaker 1>course to the rest of the time and what has

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<v Speaker 1>happened since over these uh many years, is something else.

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<v Speaker 1>And you guys captured it in great detail. As you

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<v Speaker 1>continue to think about what you guys accomplished here what

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<v Speaker 1>resonates with you about what you guys accomplished and putting

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<v Speaker 1>this thing together. I think it's just to remind people

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<v Speaker 1>of the different aspects that the Bears of football, that

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<v Speaker 1>the Bears have touched throughout the years, and that's why

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<v Speaker 1>we set it up in this structure. Nobody has rivalries

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<v Speaker 1>like the Bears do. I mean, I had somebody who

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<v Speaker 1>was reading it the other day and they read the

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<v Speaker 1>whole I think they might have been a fan of

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<v Speaker 1>that team up north, but you read the whole thing,

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<v Speaker 1>which is fascinated by the by remembering some of these

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<v Speaker 1>these old games, and nobody has the kind of the Bear.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bears and the Cardinals are the oldest rivalry who

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<v Speaker 1>have played the most games. The Bears and the Packers,

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<v Speaker 1>who've played the second most games in the NFL, Bears

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<v Speaker 1>and the Alliance. No, not everybody knows that. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think just to remind people of the impact that the

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<v Speaker 1>Bears have had and so many and so many aspects

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<v Speaker 1>of the of the game. Well, and to Don's credit,

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<v Speaker 1>with the rivalries, you know, we started out the book, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>not even thinking of highlighting the rivalries, and as Don

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<v Speaker 1>started digging with some of these things and looking at well,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, you know, how can we ignore you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we were going to write about the Bears and the packers, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but then he said, well, how can we ignore the

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<v Speaker 1>Bears and the giants, the Bears and the forty nine ers,

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<v Speaker 1>the Bears and the Redskins. Yeah, and you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>section about the rivalries kept growing and growing and growing,

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<v Speaker 1>and Don just kept digging further and further. Was there

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<v Speaker 1>a lot left on the cutting room floor from the

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<v Speaker 1>rival reach after then? Pretty much get it all in.

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<v Speaker 1>We we got as much in as I think we

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<v Speaker 1>we we wanted to. Uh. That was remarkable about the book,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, and it's to the credit John Vaselli and

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<v Speaker 1>the designer, and Mark Vansell, the producer, and Scott Hagel

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<v Speaker 1>the Bears to be able to accommodate us, because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure. We kept asking how long do you want

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<v Speaker 1>this story? How many pages is the book going to be?

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<v Speaker 1>And it did seem to keep expanding, And for that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they hardly cut anything. We kept We kept waiting at

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<v Speaker 1>the end to say, oh, yeah, half of your copies

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<v Speaker 1>on the floor. But it didn't. It didn't happen that way.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean so you did a lot, so not a

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<v Speaker 1>lot was left out, no period. Absolutely, I mean, could

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<v Speaker 1>we have done more. Absolutely. You know. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>things we talked about early on that we didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>was a chapter on the broadcasters, for instance. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>that would have been fascinating. You know, you look at

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<v Speaker 1>the history of the Bears broadcasters going back, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>got a couple of pretty good guys. Now, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you go back to the Wayne Larvy days. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Red Grange was broadcaster for the Bears for many men.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys know the history probably better than house brick

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<v Speaker 1>house and cups in it U George Connor for many years.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, that was something that we could have done.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that we've we've thought about, I

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<v Speaker 1>think since too. You know, we did the top one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred players. We just did it in list for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago Tribune has done a very good job. I've thought

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<v Speaker 1>of giving a biography of each player. That's something we

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<v Speaker 1>could have. I mean, you know, there was you could

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<v Speaker 1>have gone on and on. This book could have been

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<v Speaker 1>an encyclopedia. I added up the words. Had we've done

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<v Speaker 1>a biography of everybody, who would have been the eighty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand words. We ended up with really hundred players, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because you just wouldn't be throwing statistic you'd be digging

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<v Speaker 1>to find out, okay, a little bit more about each

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<v Speaker 1>because that's in your nature. Both of you guys are storytellers.

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<v Speaker 1>That that could be, that could be a second a

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<v Speaker 1>second printing. Maybe yuh, we know another way. We hope,

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<v Speaker 1>we hope for a second printing up. Matt and Nagy said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if we do well, maybe he'll have an add endom.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, no, Matt, it won't be at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the book. He'll be a new beginning. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know that's a funny story. We might be, but we

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<v Speaker 1>relate our deadline or soft deadline. Dan and I are

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<v Speaker 1>not used to this, were used to deadlines every single day.

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<v Speaker 1>But was in the middle of the last season. So

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<v Speaker 1>a year ago in the summer, we looked around, we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking and we said, what if the Bears go

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<v Speaker 1>to the Super Bowl? And everybody laughed. So they win

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<v Speaker 1>the division and we emailed each other and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>as we were saying what if they won the super Bowl?

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<v Speaker 1>So we had to turn around and add stuff about

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty eighteen season, and I think we did a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good job of highlighting that twenty eighteen season. They're

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<v Speaker 1>looking ahead, go ahead, And even some of the chapters

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<v Speaker 1>we had written about the past, we found ways to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of freshen them up or tie them into something

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<v Speaker 1>that was happening current currently with the team, or a

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<v Speaker 1>current player if there was a way to work that

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<v Speaker 1>player in. But are you brought up, Maggie, because interests

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<v Speaker 1>me is when you look at some of the other

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<v Speaker 1>organizations around the NFL and have a shorter history of

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<v Speaker 1>the Bears, they have an unbelievable amount of head coaches.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bears don't have that many head coaches. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>ever think about ranking the head the head coaches for

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<v Speaker 1>the Bears? And if you did, is there an obvious

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<v Speaker 1>number one? And if George Hallis is the obvious number one,

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<v Speaker 1>who would be number two? What would be the obvious Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, obvious?

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<v Speaker 1>N right? Uh, all right? Wasn't argument. Wasn't was Patty

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<v Speaker 1>Driscoll because was he a good head coach? Or he

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<v Speaker 1>was on a head coach for two years so he

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have You know, the Hallis took three he retired

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<v Speaker 1>three different times and appointed interim coaches. So after Hallis

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<v Speaker 1>and Dicken and Lovey, it would have been pretty pretty

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<v Speaker 1>tough to to get to ten. I think doesn't surprise

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<v Speaker 1>you though, there's so few head coaches in the history

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<v Speaker 1>well the Chicago Bear. When you have one guy that

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<v Speaker 1>did forty of the hundred years and he hasn't been

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<v Speaker 1>around for forty years, Yeah, it's it's probably not a surprising,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to think that they didn't have as many.

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<v Speaker 1>You compare it to the Cardinals at the team across

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<v Speaker 1>town and they they had probably more ex Bear head

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<v Speaker 1>coaches than the Bears. Yeah, they kept tapping that well.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty seven and there they kept tapping that well. With

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago ties to Dick McCann, Hall of Fame Award winning writers,

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<v Speaker 1>who authored the centennial scrapbook that is now available for purchase.

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<v Speaker 1>Many have already been purchased, but you can check it

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<v Speaker 1>get it, and hopefully it's the only way to get it,

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<v Speaker 1>the only way to get it, and get it your

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<v Speaker 1>piece of Bears history. There's so much in there that

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to enjoy from just the way these guys

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<v Speaker 1>tell the story. It's not chronological, and we talked about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a significant part of this book because

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<v Speaker 1>you could easily have done it that way, but the

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<v Speaker 1>way it's paired with the day to day historical impact

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<v Speaker 1>of life in general and this world, I think ties

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<v Speaker 1>it all together very nicely. And then you can type

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<v Speaker 1>groups of players together very nicely, and I think that

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<v Speaker 1>also played well in the actual one hundred year celebration

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<v Speaker 1>in Rosemont in June when we had groups of players together.

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<v Speaker 1>I was taken by a couple of things it happened

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<v Speaker 1>there that and you can read the book to find

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<v Speaker 1>out more about these guys. But well, when Eddie Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>was sitting in the safety seminar as we had the

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<v Speaker 1>round table of discussion we had with Doug Plank and

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Brown, you know, is a young hip guy looking

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<v Speaker 1>at these guys tell stories, and he was just he

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<v Speaker 1>go it just kept looking like, wow, did that really

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<v Speaker 1>have the Doug Plank hit people that way all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mike Brown's emotion, the tears. I mean that those

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<v Speaker 1>are things that left an impression on a young guy

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<v Speaker 1>like Eddie Jackson, you know. Jeff's what's interesting is the

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<v Speaker 1>Bears have got all this great history, you know, hundred

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<v Speaker 1>years of history. They've got more history than any more

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<v Speaker 1>good history than any team in the NFL probably, and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of it's just kind of been forgotten about,

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<v Speaker 1>right and this year, this book, uh, this celebration has

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<v Speaker 1>been I think a great opportunity to go back into

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<v Speaker 1>that history and to examine a lot of these things

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<v Speaker 1>and to you know, wake up the echoes the past.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really surprising to me. I guess it shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be at my age. I actually got to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>Red Grange. I didn't get I didn't cover him, but

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<v Speaker 1>I did get to talk to him in his retirement

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<v Speaker 1>in Florida, which is one of the highlights of my career.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was astonishing to me how many people not

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<v Speaker 1>only forgotten about the Red Grange Tour in nineteen twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five and twenty six, they never knew about it at all.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't know it happened that this was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the great things that got or one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that got pro football on the map because college football

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<v Speaker 1>was where it was at. Pro football was sort of

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<v Speaker 1>people looked down on pro football players and something that

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<v Speaker 1>was sort of beneath the dignity of why do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that is? Part of it was because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these these teams, including the Decatur Staley's, there were a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of hard scrabble industrial teams. They they hired players

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<v Speaker 1>that were still had college eligibility. In some cases they

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<v Speaker 1>had high school players. He just didn't feel right right.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just the or of college football was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be pure, and you know, Alma Mater that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of isn't that one of the elements. George Hallis didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want anybody to sign a player until after their college

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<v Speaker 1>eligibility was up, and it was probably one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that college coaches of this era would agree with

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<v Speaker 1>with George Hallis from the beginning. Yeah, that was one

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<v Speaker 1>of it. He said, that was one of his protest

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<v Speaker 1>accomplishments after the Red Grange, after they did sign Red

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<v Speaker 1>Grange after his eligibility was done. But that being said,

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<v Speaker 1>he did end up signing a guy actually from Notre

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<v Speaker 1>Dame Tom who we got kicked out of school for

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<v Speaker 1>being married. So he got kicked off the team and

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<v Speaker 1>Hallis signed him and Hallis got fined. He said, well, women,

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<v Speaker 1>he got kicked off the team and they said no,

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<v Speaker 1>he's supposed to graduating, and Hollis said, okay, then find me.

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<v Speaker 1>So he agreed with the concept. He was always pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good about pushing that maybe instituting a rule and finding

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<v Speaker 1>your way to get around it. Well, you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>kind of goes back when I signed in the USFL

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<v Speaker 1>and George Allen was my head coach. He said, look,

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<v Speaker 1>don't say anything until the day we announce you, because

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<v Speaker 1>we want to make a splash in the NFL. So

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<v Speaker 1>it was a little bit of George Hallis rubbing off

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<v Speaker 1>on George Allen when I went through the same process,

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<v Speaker 1>No doubt. I think a lot of hellis rubbed off

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<v Speaker 1>on a lot of people. Yeah, I tell you first

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<v Speaker 1>lady the National Football League, Virginia McCaskey. You guys, A

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<v Speaker 1>big reason this book is as in depth as it

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<v Speaker 1>is because you have an unbelievable resource right there, and

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<v Speaker 1>we've talked about her and her ability to reflect and

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<v Speaker 1>do so accurately with wit and sharpness. I mean, how

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<v Speaker 1>great was that sit down with her? Well, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that that's the main reason the book is really unique.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we didn't unearth any new ground and find

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<v Speaker 1>out that the Bears have actually won ten championships instead

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<v Speaker 1>of nine or anything like that. We didn't. All of

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<v Speaker 1>this history has been reported before. We put it in

0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:15.000
<v Speaker 1>a different context of different structure. But the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>really was different is to have a Virginia Hallis mccaskey's

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<v Speaker 1>voice throughout and to think that she was actually on

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<v Speaker 1>the Red Grange tour when she was only three years old.

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<v Speaker 1>She doesn't remember it, but she's been told about it

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<v Speaker 1>and to have her voice throughout the book, probably more

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<v Speaker 1>than she would like, but as much as we could

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<v Speaker 1>get in there, I think makes the book very unique.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Going back to what I said at the

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<v Speaker 1>top of the segment too, about how so much of

0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:46.280
<v Speaker 1>the history has kind of been forgotten about. I think

0:24:46.359 --> 0:24:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Don and I figured out as we've gone, as we

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<v Speaker 1>went through the process that we had kind of forgotten

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<v Speaker 1>about a lot of this stuff, and as we did

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<v Speaker 1>our research and did our interviews, you know, we kind

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<v Speaker 1>of had our memories jogged a little bit. The interesting

0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:05.400
<v Speaker 1>thing is she had not forgotten any She remembered every

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<v Speaker 1>bit of it. Well, I say, did you ever reintroduce

0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 1>or to who are player? Or a topic that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>just rekindle the memory and her memory? Bank? Boy, we

0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:17.600
<v Speaker 1>were talking once and I don't remember one time saying

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<v Speaker 1>I completely forgot that or that really slipped my mind,

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<v Speaker 1>did you now? The other were things that she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know about that it never knew about, because I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you what, her dad was a very secretive guy. He

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<v Speaker 1>kept his family in the dark on a lot of issues.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are a lot of things she didn't know about,

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<v Speaker 1>but anything that she knew about, she remembered, for instance, Yeah,

0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:42.520
<v Speaker 1>George Hellis, I think almost had two. There were two

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<v Speaker 1>sides of George Hellis, two personalities. We asked her about

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:49.800
<v Speaker 1>his salty language, you know, which he is well known for,

0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:52.320
<v Speaker 1>and she said, well, he never spoke that way around

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<v Speaker 1>the house. He had one way of speaking at work

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<v Speaker 1>in another way of speaking at home. And that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of how I think he treated a lot of things

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<v Speaker 1>with his business. He separated the business from the home life.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you learn about her love of the game, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you I think you saw at the Bear's convention when

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<v Speaker 1>they asked her about memories of her dad. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard for her to put into words what her love

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<v Speaker 1>of the game means to her and her family. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean a lot of a lot of sports teams talk

0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:29.919
<v Speaker 1>about a family atmosphere or keeping it in the family.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bears I think are probably the most sincerely legit

0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 1>have the most sincerely legitimate claim to be in a

0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:43.679
<v Speaker 1>family organization. It was difficult for her to express I

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:47.600
<v Speaker 1>think how important it was. Although you know she said, hey, money,

0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:52.480
<v Speaker 1>what did she say money? What would money mean? Means nothing?

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<v Speaker 1>It's the legacy soul. I would you agree, Dan, I

0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:59.520
<v Speaker 1>think I think the Bears to her, that's her life,

0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:01.760
<v Speaker 1>that's her. That's yet, it's her, it's her mark. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think, uh, you know, the other thing that I

0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:09.760
<v Speaker 1>wasn't aware of is that for many many years, I

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<v Speaker 1>think until the time her father stopped coaching, after every

0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:18.400
<v Speaker 1>time the Bears lost, she cried. She would cry after

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<v Speaker 1>every game ever, every loss. I don't know. I don't

0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 1>think she does it much anymore. But you guys probably

0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:27.480
<v Speaker 1>have witnessed a few times. I'll bet well you know

0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:32.080
<v Speaker 1>I have not witnessed tears. But you know what the

0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:34.720
<v Speaker 1>loss meant. You could see it on her face because

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<v Speaker 1>you get on the team bus and you first place

0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:40.359
<v Speaker 1>you go to with her when they win or lose,

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:43.520
<v Speaker 1>and you can it's it's it's heartbreaking when they lose.

0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:48.440
<v Speaker 1>When they win, big smile. That's that's the essence right there.

0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, her seriousness has never lessened about the love

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:53.359
<v Speaker 1>of the game and the love of the Bears. And

0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:56.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, sometimes the different family members that can have

0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:58.359
<v Speaker 1>an effect on you, but not her. This is Bears

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<v Speaker 1>and more. This is the kickoff of the season that

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<v Speaker 1>is a memorable one in National Football League history, certainly

0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 1>one for the Bears. They hope it's more memorable than

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<v Speaker 1>just that ending in Miami with a Super Bowl win

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 1>and appearance as this season begins, and these things like

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<v Speaker 1>block parties, the kickoff a season, or a concert on

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<v Speaker 1>Wednesday at Thursday Night before Thursday Night season opener. When

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 1>you talk about the on page two seventy of the

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:54.760
<v Speaker 1>Bears Scrapbook, more than playing a game, they molded a sport,

0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 1>inventing positions and formations and strategies. So that was the

0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:03.040
<v Speaker 1>building block. But now look what's been built, and look

0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 1>at the different aspects of things. You could even we

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 1>just talked about it before we started the show tonight.

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Hard knocks all these elements if the man was sitting

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<v Speaker 1>right here on this show with us and he saw

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<v Speaker 1>all of this happening. We always talk about this. What

0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:22.920
<v Speaker 1>would be going through his mind? George House, Well, I'm

0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 1>sure he'd be amazed. But the first thing he comes

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 1>to my mind, he'd be thinking ahead. That's what he'd

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<v Speaker 1>be doing. He wouldn't be looking behind and saying, look

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 1>what we've done. Because I remember when he when he

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<v Speaker 1>talked about the advent of television, and he couldn't couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>believe that at first the networker probably wasn't a network,

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<v Speaker 1>but the TV would pay the Bears would pay the Bears,

0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 1>and he said, I can't believe they're what they're paying

0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 1>us to do this, you know. But but he worried

0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:59.160
<v Speaker 1>about the impact that that television would have on the gate,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, so he was always looking ahead. It didn't

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<v Speaker 1>affect the gate. It me from time to time, depending

0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:09.760
<v Speaker 1>on the city you're talking about, but it did allow

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<v Speaker 1>for almost all of this. When you think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>the TV money is is critical. Another thing I think

0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 1>he would he would be concerned about as the Bears

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<v Speaker 1>are and all the National Football League is the future

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<v Speaker 1>of this board. As far as safety is concerned. I

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<v Speaker 1>think he would take it very seriously. He would probably

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<v Speaker 1>be at as his daughter is, at the forefront of

0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 1>a looking at the concussion issue, and I think Allis

0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:41.120
<v Speaker 1>would have been right there. You know, with George Hallis

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<v Speaker 1>chapter five, you said what makes a bear? If he

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<v Speaker 1>was sitting here and he said, this is my definition

0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:48.680
<v Speaker 1>of what makes a bear. From the conclusion that you

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:52.280
<v Speaker 1>guys came up with is what makes a Bear different

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<v Speaker 1>than what makes any player from any other team. I

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<v Speaker 1>think so, I really do. I think there's something unique

0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:02.560
<v Speaker 1>and special about being a Chicago Bear, and I think

0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 1>you can define it by looking at the great players

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 1>in history, which is what we tried to do in

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<v Speaker 1>that in that chapter you're referring to, I think so

0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:14.920
<v Speaker 1>many of them brought something that was special and unique

0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:18.400
<v Speaker 1>in defining I mean, you were a Miami Dolphin, tom Right,

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<v Speaker 1>what was different about being in Chicago Bear? There's only

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 1>one important guy in Miami and everybody in Chicago. When

0:31:25.800 --> 0:31:28.600
<v Speaker 1>I was playing for the Bears, everybody was equally as important.

0:31:28.960 --> 0:31:31.719
<v Speaker 1>In Miami, it was one guy and that was Dan Marino.

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<v Speaker 1>What about the history, I mean, did you feel the

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:37.200
<v Speaker 1>history and the you know, the lineage, the you know,

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>the baton being passed from year to year and generation generation.

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<v Speaker 1>The only history I felt when I was down there

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<v Speaker 1>was how often they talked about them beating the Bears

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<v Speaker 1>in eighty five, and it was it was there that

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<v Speaker 1>was their biggest victory other than probably the Super Bowl

0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:54.240
<v Speaker 1>win of seventy two when they finished their undefeated season.

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<v Speaker 1>It was that was the one benchmark that they had

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<v Speaker 1>up to that point, that was the most important win.

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<v Speaker 1>And there and there, I'm saying, when you were a Bear,

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<v Speaker 1>did you feel those things that the tradition and the

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:08.760
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, but you know it too

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, grown up here, you kind of grew

0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 1>up with the tradition because you never had the opportunity

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:16.200
<v Speaker 1>to change of the channel and watch a different game.

0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:18.440
<v Speaker 1>You were going to watch the Bears no matter if

0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 1>they were good or bad. So I think that's what

0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:23.920
<v Speaker 1>built the tradition of the Bears, is when you were

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<v Speaker 1>a Bears fan, you were a Bears fan for life.

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<v Speaker 1>I think because George Hallis was around for that long.

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<v Speaker 1>The thread that goes through the time of the founding

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<v Speaker 1>and the two way players and all the championships and

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<v Speaker 1>the monsters of the midway right up until the modern

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<v Speaker 1>day because of Dicka's influence. Is the toughness. The two

0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 1>way players were tough though they have this defensive mentality.

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:54.480
<v Speaker 1>They've always had this defensive mentality. And I think that

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<v Speaker 1>toughness is what I know. Every national football is tough,

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:04.680
<v Speaker 1>but and would say that we're everybody. Every football player

0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:07.120
<v Speaker 1>by definition has to be tough. But I think the

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Bears have that that there's something about the Bears and

0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:16.520
<v Speaker 1>their their their history that uh underscores that. And eighty

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<v Speaker 1>two you said there was a reporter that asked Allie

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<v Speaker 1>if he was crazy for hiring did no see now, see, well,

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want I didn't want to say that word.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I just looked at that on the

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<v Speaker 1>front page. He was on the front page. See who

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<v Speaker 1>was the reporter and was it a well was it

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:33.320
<v Speaker 1>a well respected reporter? That he was a very well

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:37.480
<v Speaker 1>respected reporter named Bill Gleason, and he George Allis didn't

0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:40.120
<v Speaker 1>get along at all. Gleason was a Cardinal fan, but

0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:43.160
<v Speaker 1>he knew about the Bears. He covered the Bears, and

0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 1>it was a sincere question. And he wasn't the only

0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:50.680
<v Speaker 1>one thinking it because when when he hired did get

0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:53.480
<v Speaker 1>People thought, what is he hiring a special teams coach

0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:57.920
<v Speaker 1>who's never had any head coaching experience, and he'd and

0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:02.480
<v Speaker 1>plus Alice, had you surp Jim Fink's power at the time,

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 1>and and had fired Neil Armstrong and and hired all

0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:10.440
<v Speaker 1>on his own. It was actually a very legitimate question.

0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it was at the time we were The

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:15.160
<v Speaker 1>rest of us is probably afraid to ask, what did

0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 1>did you guys know the personality of Mike Ditka before

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 1>he came here as a head coach? Did you know

0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:24.200
<v Speaker 1>like that that's the way he was going to represent himself.

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:26.880
<v Speaker 1>We'd seen him throw a lot of clipboards down in Dallas, Right,

0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:29.880
<v Speaker 1>that's what you mean. I would say, you know, the

0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:33.279
<v Speaker 1>hiring of Mike Ditka and eighty two and then maybe

0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:38.080
<v Speaker 1>you agree or disagree with this probably was perceived similarly

0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 1>to the hiring of Kingsbury in Arizona this year. Everyone thought,

0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:45.000
<v Speaker 1>what are you doing? You know, why are you hiring

0:34:45.040 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 1>that guy? Everyone around the league, uh, you recall similarly, Yeah,

0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:54.200
<v Speaker 1>I I don't think there. I don't remember anybody in

0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:57.360
<v Speaker 1>the league saying, oh, I you know, that doesn't surprise

0:34:57.480 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 1>me that he would hire Mike Ditka. People say, oh boy,

0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:04.439
<v Speaker 1>what's he got? What's he gotten himself in for? Well,

0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:06.920
<v Speaker 1>he knew, he knew what he was getting himself in for.

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<v Speaker 1>Don Pearson, Dam Pompei. Our guests here on Bear's Hall Access.

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<v Speaker 1>It's brought to you by IGS Energy in Chicago Sports

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<v Speaker 1>Radio six seventy to score back to the toughness thing,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's something that the family wants this organization to

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<v Speaker 1>play with a toughness, and it is all through its history,

0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:26.239
<v Speaker 1>and it's you know, the first person you're gonna think

0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:29.920
<v Speaker 1>of as tough as obviously Dick Butkus, you're gonna remember

0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:34.479
<v Speaker 1>Walter Payton, and whether it's the young people now knowing

0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:36.760
<v Speaker 1>about them because they can punch it up on YouTube

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:38.759
<v Speaker 1>if they never got to see him play. But if

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:42.120
<v Speaker 1>you go deeper into it, you guys wrote about Ed

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Sprinkle called the meanest man in Pro football by Kyler's

0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Magazine in nineteen fifty. So it's way back there too.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, you know there's others that we can talk about.

0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it would go back to Joe Atkins. Yeah,

0:35:57.120 --> 0:36:00.040
<v Speaker 1>we'd go back to George Trafton and these guys that

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:03.000
<v Speaker 1>that that played. Uh you know, but the Bears had

0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:05.440
<v Speaker 1>the last guy that played without a helmet, Dick Plasman,

0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:08.279
<v Speaker 1>and he ran into the wall at Rigular Field one

0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:10.920
<v Speaker 1>time and Virginia mccaski was there and they carted him

0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 1>out and Virginia said, I thought he was dead, and

0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:20.920
<v Speaker 1>he went to the hospital. And he went to the

0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:23.480
<v Speaker 1>hospital and came back and played the later in the season.

0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:26.280
<v Speaker 1>May ended up. You know, he played without a helmet.

0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:29.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, how many guys. So is it any surprise

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:31.440
<v Speaker 1>to you that the last guy in the National Football

0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:35.279
<v Speaker 1>League to play without a helmet is a Bear? You know?

0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:39.480
<v Speaker 1>I thought thet thee hundred years celebration, the the seminar

0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:42.320
<v Speaker 1>that you guys did with the defensive lineman was really

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:45.640
<v Speaker 1>interesting too when you talk about this toughness and how

0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:49.719
<v Speaker 1>it's uh kind of woven into the fabric of being

0:36:49.760 --> 0:36:52.000
<v Speaker 1>a bear. You know. So you had a Keen Hicks there,

0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:56.680
<v Speaker 1>and you know, he's learning things from guys of previous generations,

0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:59.320
<v Speaker 1>and they learned things from previous It went all the

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:02.279
<v Speaker 1>way back. The oldest guy there was was at o'bradovich,

0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:07.479
<v Speaker 1>and you know, he obviously befriended Hampton and McMichael during

0:37:07.480 --> 0:37:10.480
<v Speaker 1>their playing days, and even before that, you know Jim Osborn,

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:13.520
<v Speaker 1>and I mean every generation has another guy who kind

0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 1>of takes the baton and to the next and he does.

0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:18.799
<v Speaker 1>He is now free to play with the ferocity of

0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:22.440
<v Speaker 1>which he does even in practice. And that's a treat

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:25.279
<v Speaker 1>for a Bears fan to watch. And it's only going

0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:27.960
<v Speaker 1>to get better as they continue to keep on climbing

0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 1>this mountain trying to get to the super Bowl here

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty nineteen. This is brought to you by IGS

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<v Speaker 1>Energy at Chicago's Sports Radio six seventy to score and

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<v Speaker 1>Bears All Access Joniac There, Pompey and Pierson with you

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<v Speaker 1>coming back after this break. One more segment to go

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<v Speaker 1>here on Bears All Access this evening with Tom There.

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:48.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm Jeff Joniac Dam Pompey and Don Pierson, the Hall

0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:51.600
<v Speaker 1>of Fame writers that put together the Centennial scrap Book,

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:53.719
<v Speaker 1>a book that includes a piece of Bears history when

0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:56.320
<v Speaker 1>you buy it, and authentic Bears one hundred uniform patch.

0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:58.879
<v Speaker 1>It's embedded in the front cover. It's a good looking book.

0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:01.920
<v Speaker 1>The dust jacket also doubles as a fold out poster.

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:04.080
<v Speaker 1>There's a clear pocket in the back you can add

0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:06.319
<v Speaker 1>your own piece of Bears history, and everybody's got it.

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:09.640
<v Speaker 1>Anytime you go anywhere, I've heard of a training cap. Hey,

0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:12.160
<v Speaker 1>I've had tickets in my family for this many decades.

0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:15.719
<v Speaker 1>This my my grandfather, you know, took me to my

0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:18.200
<v Speaker 1>first game. It's all there. It is about family. This

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:21.520
<v Speaker 1>is a Bears family. Tom's family iddled buy that radio

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:24.680
<v Speaker 1>listening to our broadcasts, just as they did watching him

0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:27.799
<v Speaker 1>at Soldier Field play for the Bears. H We can

0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:29.680
<v Speaker 1>talk a lot about all the great players that you

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 1>guys rank George Hollis as a player, What don't we

0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:36.040
<v Speaker 1>know about him? If you if you didn't think he

0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:38.480
<v Speaker 1>even played the game, and you only know of him

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:40.640
<v Speaker 1>as a coach or the owner, what about him as

0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:42.680
<v Speaker 1>a player. Well, how many people remember he was the

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:46.800
<v Speaker 1>most Valuable Player in the Rose Bowl in nineteen nineteen.

0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:49.799
<v Speaker 1>I did not know before he became I mean, he's

0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:51.920
<v Speaker 1>the MVP in the Rose Bowl. He was playing for

0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:59.160
<v Speaker 1>the for the the the Great Lakes team that played

0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:03.040
<v Speaker 1>in a Rose Bowl during the First World War. So

0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:05.400
<v Speaker 1>you know what kind of player he was before even

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:11.480
<v Speaker 1>became a Staley or a Bear. And the only thing

0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:14.760
<v Speaker 1>he ever talked about himself as a player was when

0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:17.800
<v Speaker 1>he recovered a fumble and ran ninety eight yards and

0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:20.879
<v Speaker 1>Dorham Thorpe was chasing him. That's really the only time

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:24.000
<v Speaker 1>he bragged him about himself as a player. But he

0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:25.360
<v Speaker 1>was a heck of a player, and of course a

0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:28.880
<v Speaker 1>two way player and at end and I think he

0:39:29.640 --> 0:39:32.600
<v Speaker 1>might be he might be on that top hundred players,

0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:37.000
<v Speaker 1>the first end that we ranked, because the Bears don't

0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:42.680
<v Speaker 1>have a stellar history of receivers. Yeah. I think the

0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:45.160
<v Speaker 1>other thing to point out, too, is that he was

0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:49.000
<v Speaker 1>all decade in the nineteen twenties, which which says something,

0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:51.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean that people don't even think of

0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 1>him as a player. You think of him strictly as

0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:55.240
<v Speaker 1>a coach and as an owner and as an innovator.

0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:56.759
<v Speaker 1>And he you know, he did so many things in

0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:59.480
<v Speaker 1>that area that kind of overshadowed probably what he did

0:39:59.520 --> 0:40:02.719
<v Speaker 1>as a player. But certainly that was a part of

0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:06.360
<v Speaker 1>a town. That record for the ninety eight yard fumble

0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:10.520
<v Speaker 1>return was one that stood for I believe something like

0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:14.719
<v Speaker 1>fifty years. It was an incredible record and when you

0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:17.480
<v Speaker 1>wonder where the toughness may have come from, that's something

0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:21.400
<v Speaker 1>it goes without saying. I mean, he loved talking about

0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:23.440
<v Speaker 1>the fights he would get in. He got into a knockdown,

0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:26.560
<v Speaker 1>drag out fight with his best friend, Patty Driscoll. When

0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Driscoll was planned for the Cardinals. You know, they had

0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:33.319
<v Speaker 1>to separate him. So he was the first of the

0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:35.000
<v Speaker 1>tough player. But you know that that's kind of the

0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:37.000
<v Speaker 1>history of the toughness of the Bears. That kind of

0:40:37.160 --> 0:40:39.399
<v Speaker 1>is related to your head coach and what they bring.

0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:41.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, George Allis brought it to his era, Dicka

0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:43.840
<v Speaker 1>brought it to our ear and you had it matched

0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:46.920
<v Speaker 1>the toughness that he committed himself to in the league.

0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:49.040
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's important for the history of the

0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Bears is that George was the toughest guy around the league,

0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:54.520
<v Speaker 1>and when you talk about the making of a Bear,

0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, toughness always precluded what else you're going to

0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:00.719
<v Speaker 1>say about him, as he needed a tough guy, just

0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:04.080
<v Speaker 1>like Dicka did. And you remember Dan when Virginia McCaskey

0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:09.319
<v Speaker 1>was talking about more recent history and the changes that

0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:15.000
<v Speaker 1>she made or agreed to, and one of the things

0:41:15.000 --> 0:41:19.080
<v Speaker 1>she said was that, you know, I that toughness was missing.

0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:24.040
<v Speaker 1>She said, I thought the toughness was missing. So she's

0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:25.960
<v Speaker 1>been very very aware of it from the beginning. Then

0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 1>then it had to be a good relationship between Finks

0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:33.040
<v Speaker 1>and Ditka, I because Jim Finks, he's always you know,

0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:35.960
<v Speaker 1>known as uh. It was a working relationship, but that's

0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:38.879
<v Speaker 1>when I'm split. Yeah, but it had to be respectful

0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:42.959
<v Speaker 1>because Jim Pinks was producing players that Ditka was able

0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:47.000
<v Speaker 1>to coach in mold and eventually developed well. He had

0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:50.359
<v Speaker 1>two drafts for Dick in the last two drafts eighty

0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:55.080
<v Speaker 1>two eighty three. I think Jim Finks was he was

0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:59.440
<v Speaker 1>loyal to the McCaskey family, and so he stuck around

0:41:59.680 --> 0:42:02.800
<v Speaker 1>out of respect for the McCaskey family and really saved

0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:04.960
<v Speaker 1>the Bears and the mccaskeys to agree. That saved the

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:08.239
<v Speaker 1>Bears because they were going down a rabbit hole there

0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:11.680
<v Speaker 1>for a while until Jim Finks rescued him. Signed twenty

0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:16.239
<v Speaker 1>starters that played, but it was crazy twenty. I mean

0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:18.000
<v Speaker 1>they kind of, don't you think they both kind of

0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:20.680
<v Speaker 1>had a hand in the development of the toughness because

0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Dicka had a major influence on the players, but Finks

0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:27.080
<v Speaker 1>was able to bring players that that kind of fell

0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:29.880
<v Speaker 1>into the line of coach Dick or what he wanted

0:42:29.960 --> 0:42:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah. I think that the record, the drafting record

0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:39.880
<v Speaker 1>of Jim Finks and his scouts, Jim Palmer and Bill Tobin,

0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:43.959
<v Speaker 1>as really unprecedented. During the draft. I mean, Halis, before

0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:45.719
<v Speaker 1>the draft, you used to be able to sign just

0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:48.760
<v Speaker 1>about anybody wanted to. But once she had the drafts,

0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:52.960
<v Speaker 1>it was supposed to it was supposed to even things out.

0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:56.640
<v Speaker 1>And at the early days of the draft, Halis still

0:42:56.719 --> 0:42:59.240
<v Speaker 1>got the guys. You know, after they won the seventy

0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:01.960
<v Speaker 1>three to nothing, they had like the third pick in

0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:06.240
<v Speaker 1>the drafters I could pick in the draft three days later.

0:43:06.640 --> 0:43:11.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he knew how to find players and tough players,

0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:15.640
<v Speaker 1>and thinks no doubt that that string of draft choices

0:43:15.719 --> 0:43:18.319
<v Speaker 1>that Finx made is really unprecedent. Would you worried about

0:43:18.360 --> 0:43:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Walter Payton statue going up outside Soldier Field much like

0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:28.560
<v Speaker 1>George Hollis number one on the list. Yeah, it's hard

0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:31.160
<v Speaker 1>to say much about Walter that hasn't been said already

0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:34.200
<v Speaker 1>because he meant so much to the team. I think

0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:37.720
<v Speaker 1>one of the things that Down and I talked about

0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:39.440
<v Speaker 1>was when we were putting together the list of the

0:43:39.440 --> 0:43:41.800
<v Speaker 1>top one hundred Bears. I think we both kind of

0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 1>knew Walter would be number one, right, But we were

0:43:45.200 --> 0:43:48.560
<v Speaker 1>looking for a little confirmation and uh, you know, we

0:43:49.360 --> 0:43:52.239
<v Speaker 1>noted that Mike Ditka always said that Walter Payton was

0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:55.640
<v Speaker 1>the greatest bear. And then we asked Virginia mccasky and

0:43:55.840 --> 0:43:58.080
<v Speaker 1>she said the same thing. She said to me, Walter

0:43:58.280 --> 0:44:01.600
<v Speaker 1>was number one. So I guess did you go one? Do?

0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Did you go one to one hundred or one hundred

0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:08.440
<v Speaker 1>to one? Oh? Great question? Uh one hundred, Yeah, it

0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:11.880
<v Speaker 1>was one. Yeah, and the top points for it as

0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:15.600
<v Speaker 1>difficult as the bottom twenty five because we've said that

0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:18.960
<v Speaker 1>of the hundred, we thought all hundred deserved to be

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:22.000
<v Speaker 1>on that list, but there are probably twenty other guys

0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:24.560
<v Speaker 1>that deserved to be on that list too, did we

0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:27.879
<v Speaker 1>we gotta we gotta run. But did you keep rearranging? Yeah,

0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:29.920
<v Speaker 1>you got a number, you stuck with it. No, we

0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:34.920
<v Speaker 1>would probably change it again a lot if we could. Right,

0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:38.040
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, we only scratched the surface of the book. Clearly,

0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:41.799
<v Speaker 1>it's uh cover to cover, it's it's beautiful, number one,

0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:46.680
<v Speaker 1>great photos, great documents from scouting reports to all the

0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:51.120
<v Speaker 1>difference stuff that min Hallis collected and her scrapbook, which

0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:53.879
<v Speaker 1>was the genesis of this particular title of this book,

0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:57.320
<v Speaker 1>the one under your scrap book History of the Chicago Bears,

0:44:57.520 --> 0:45:00.120
<v Speaker 1>penned by the Hall of Fame author's Dan POMPEII and

0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Don Pearson. Thanks so much for joining us. We could

0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:04.719
<v Speaker 1>have spent a few more hours talking about all the

0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:08.040
<v Speaker 1>great history and Bears history. Appreciate it. Thank you, Jeff.

0:45:08.200 --> 0:45:11.719
<v Speaker 1>Our pleasure got to say condolences to the family a

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:14.799
<v Speaker 1>Daryl Drake, Bears Wide Receivers coach for nine years here.

0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:17.840
<v Speaker 1>He was great to all of us, great to me.

0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:20.239
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't tell you how many stories late at night

0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:23.239
<v Speaker 1>here in this building over coffee I had with that

0:45:23.400 --> 0:45:26.760
<v Speaker 1>man passed away just a couple of days ago. Current

0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Steelers wide Receivers coach condolences that Darryl Drake, four time

0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:33.480
<v Speaker 1>fair Paul's Oranger engineer, and Jordan Tredup. And for Don

0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:35.719
<v Speaker 1>and Dan, I'm Jeff Joniac. That'll do it for us

0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:41.680
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0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:45.920
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