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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites of the Podcast presented by BET

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Speaker 1: three six five. We are part of the Volume podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: I am Chad Moment of the Action Network. Today. I'm

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Speaker 1: joined as always by my co host, my companion, my compadre,

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Speaker 1: my BFF professional better Signmon Hunter l O Simon.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Chad. What a sports weekend, brother.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, the Draft was amazing and we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about that, no shortage of drama, and you

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Speaker 1: and I we are going to go through the entirety

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Speaker 1: of the league. We're going to talk about the NFC today.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow we're going to touch on the AFC a very

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Speaker 1: special episode. It's going to come out a day earlier

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Speaker 1: than usual. Thursday, we'll do an episode, our third episode

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Speaker 1: of the week, about the Kentucky Derby, with our annual

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Speaker 1: guest Mike Conti. But dude, I don't know about you. Like,

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Speaker 1: for some reason, I ended up kind of having no

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Speaker 1: plans this weekend, and so I watched a ton of

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Speaker 1: the Draft, and then I watched so much NBA and

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Speaker 1: these games were insane. The Clippers and the Nuggets was insane.

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Speaker 1: The Pistons and the Knicks was insane. The Lakers and

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Speaker 1: the Tea Wolves was insane, but also somehow I found

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Speaker 1: myself watching the Cubs and the Phillies on Saturday, and

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Speaker 1: the Cubs and the Phillies last night. It was like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's especially someone like me who was kind of

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Speaker 2: a phony NBA fan, where I just because my team

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Speaker 2: sucked the Sixers. I barely watch any but I mainly

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Speaker 2: watched college basketball. But as soon as the playoffs hit,

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Speaker 2: I feel like we all just dive back in because

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Speaker 2: that's when everyone's trying. The games are really competitive and

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Speaker 2: it just means so much more and you really can tell,

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Speaker 2: like the level of plays, so just such a huge

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Speaker 2: step up. So yeah, for me, it's really fun. But

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Speaker 2: I know is like someone that tries to bet it.

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Speaker 2: It is crazy jumping into it trying to especially you

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Speaker 2: know the actually newhere. We have a ton of basketball content.

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Speaker 2: We've been trying to bet these overtime bets. I love it.

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Speaker 2: It's like fifteen to one, sometimes twenty to one. That

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Speaker 2: to me has been really fun sweating these games. Like

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Speaker 2: I don't pick a side, I'm just betting overtime and

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Speaker 2: hoping to hit one in every series. So yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: been really fun.

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Speaker 1: The athleticism of these guys is ridiculous, and like even

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Speaker 1: the third fourth level guys. The ability their hands are

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Speaker 1: just remarkable, like you cannot help but love watching it.

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Speaker 1: And the level of competitiveness is so intense, like like

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Speaker 1: that Piston's next game yesterday or watching it on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: like I love this's team. It's so much fun. I

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Speaker 1: but Anthony Edwards is just glorious to wash like we are.

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Speaker 1: It is. If you're not watching the NBA plass right now,

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Speaker 1: to get into the NFL drafts because here's how crazy

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Speaker 2: I mean I lost money on it. I thought, uh,

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Speaker 2: one in the fifth round. So there's clearly a disconnect there.

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Speaker 2: Like we just said, we all at worst I'll use

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Speaker 2: the second round pick. He was three rounds later, Chad.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely the craziest storyline of the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, what's interesting about the NFL, and what's interesting

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Speaker 2: You don't like prank calls.

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Speaker 1: I love prank calls. I do like I used to

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Speaker 2: As always, humor is subjective. I am a fan of

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Speaker 2: That's all I'll give back the Giants, Giants to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, seven to one for the division, I said something different.

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Speaker 2: they they could have taken one higher up. They waited

429
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: to what pick nine something like that to take this kid. Yeah,

430
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that. I I liked how they

431
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 2: started though. I liked that they went offensive guard. They're

432
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 2: attacking the offensive line, which they need to do now.

433
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 2: Like you said, they've lost all these Hall of Famers

434
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 2: across this last two years. It's it's a position of need.

435
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 2: So I know it sucks, right, people are hoping they're

436
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: gonna take a receiver there, which they just didn't grade out.

437
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 2: The receiver is high enough to take them there, and

438
00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: that's that's how it is. When you're looking, you're a

439
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: big board in. You know, they went after the edge

440
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: in the next round, so that's good. But yeah, what's

441
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 2: is the team we're going to dive into a lot

442
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: this summer. I just love the value on this Cowboys team.

443
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, you've bet the Cowboys on this spot.

444
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, so yeah, they're they're they're right now for me,

445
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 2: the to me, the best value in this division. They

446
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 2: were eight to one Mechad had a live show what

447
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: was that like a month ago? Now they're down to

448
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 2: seven to one and most books are six to one

449
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 2: at some book. So it's just a team that pros

450
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 2: are going to bet. In the public, they'll just stay

451
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 2: away because they had a year from hell last year.

452
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: I think that's the only thing you said at the

453
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 1: live show in the entire show was bet the Cowboys

454
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: to win the NFC East that how did you feel

455
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: about the Eagles? Let's talk about the Eagles. Yeah, everyone

456
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: loves what how we did? Everyone thinks hiw he's a genius,

457
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 1: like getting another player that he feels like they need

458
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: at linebacker. Did you have thoughts?

459
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Eagles minus one sixty right now, bet thrus is

460
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 2: five to win this division and coming in this draft,

461
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: I honestly it's I think most Eagles fans at this

462
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 2: point of we think we have the greatest football team ever.

463
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: There are no weaknesses. What could we do to make

464
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: this team better? So going in, I was just hoping

465
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: to go tight end or some type of d end.

466
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 2: And yeah, Jahad Campbell the kid they took in the

467
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 2: first round, stud linebacker from Alabama. Typical dumb fan, I am.

468
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 2: I know very little about this kid. What the hell

469
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 2: do I am? I watching tape on Alabama's linebackers. No,

470
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: so I've dove in on him, love him. Find out

471
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,959
Speaker 2: he's from timber Creek, like literally twenty minutes away from

472
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: me here in South Jersey. So he's a local kid.

473
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 2: Stud doesn't need necessary play linebacker, can be an edge player.

474
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: So you know how he does it? Once again, how

475
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: does this guy fall right into his lap? Trades up,

476
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: which I want to bet, which I did not deserve

477
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 2: to win. I'd made a bet that Eagles would trade

478
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 2: up because I had info that how he was going

479
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: to try to move up, and apparently he was getting

480
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 2: rejected for an hour by every team trying to trade up,

481
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: and he saved my ass trade up one spot for

482
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: me to win that bet fifth round pick, and yeah,

483
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: you know it's it's a team that how he clearly

484
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: loves our offense. He took I think it was five

485
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: straight defensive players in this draft, so there's certain things

486
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: I like about teams doing that, and like, I think

487
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 2: our offense has zero weaknesses attack the defense, and that's

488
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 2: exactly what he did. So once again, how most people

489
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 2: are giving him the classic A A plus, I'll give

490
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 2: him a bat plus.

491
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: He did say something interesting about Dallas Goddard. He's part

492
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: of the team for now. What is that about?

493
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: I think he stays. I think they were going to

494
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 2: try to move him, but the tight ends they wanted

495
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: got taken, and they basically because this was a really

496
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: good tight end class and it just didn't work out

497
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 2: with the board. And he's got a one year deal.

498
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 2: How he doesn't really like playing playing guys on the

499
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: team on a one year deal, So that's why I

500
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 2: wouldn't be shocked if they don't move him, I would

501
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: not like to me. I know he does get injured

502
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: when he's out there, tests so much trust to him,

503
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 2: especially on third downs, which is like we talk all

504
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 2: the time. If you have the right guy on third downs,

505
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,239
Speaker 2: it changes the whole dynamic of your team. So I

506
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: hope they keep them Chad because they didn't address the position,

507
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 2: but still would not be shocked ause how he just

508
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 2: has a weird thing about keeping guys on one year deals.

509
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: Last team in the NFC East Washington two to one,

510
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: maybe two twenty to win the division. I don't have

511
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: a strong opinion about their drafts. I don't know that

512
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: they did anything to immediately vault them any higher, any

513
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: closer to the Eagles, and they didn't lose ground to

514
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. The key for them is they got Jaden Daniels,

515
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: and now what can they do to improve their defense.

516
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: I don't know that they did anything spectacular to help themselves.

517
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: No, and there are Yearly so another team I would

518
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 2: not touch. Their odds is they should be closer to

519
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: plus three fifty plus four hundred for this division than

520
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 2: they are. They're just they're just beloved by everybody. People

521
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 2: are making Jamie Daniels the top five quarterback already in

522
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: this league, a guy who's played one year. So that's

523
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 2: just stay away from them. And you know, this draft,

524
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 2: they had five picks. What are you going to do?

525
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: Not much I am going to use you know, go great,

526
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,719
Speaker 2: got offensive tackle at pick twenty nine. Love it like

527
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: that's what they should be doing. Yeah, it's ten year

528
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 2: plan now with the quarterback that they have, you were

529
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: thinking ten years now every draft you should be thinking

530
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 2: ten years. So yeah, I like this Washington team, but

531
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 2: nothing no value here for me, divisionally imbenting on them.

532
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: One of the great anecdotes from the draft was Cliff

533
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: Kingsbury leaving a note for the Washington GM on his

534
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: door that just says, stop by, please take Oregon left

535
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: tackle Josh Connolly. Who's the guy they took from Oregon?

536
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: So good for them. Let's talk about the NFC West

537
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: forty nine ers made a very important pick in the

538
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: seventh round of the draft, which to me says everything

539
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: we need to know about how serious they are when

540
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: it comes to keeping Brock Purty. Are you ready?

541
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

542
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: They chose Curtis Rourke, Indiana University starting quarterback in the

543
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: seventh round. To me, that clearly says we're not messing

544
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: around with Brock Purty. We're going to recreate the seventh

545
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: round magic and they're gonna bring Curtis Rourke into the

546
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: starting lineup replacing Brock Party when he wants his sixty

547
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: five to seventy million a year, they're gonna be like, eh,

548
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: we got the winner who took the Indiana Hoosiers to

549
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: the college football playoff.

550
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 2: As just say, the only reason you draft this kid

551
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: is he's a winner and he's smart. That's what That's

552
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: what they're saying themselves. So yeah, the their draft Chad

553
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: just what I talked about earlier. It's they went in

554
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: with a plan. They attacked the weakness of their team.

555
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: What is the weakness right now the forty nine ers,

556
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: it's that defense. They have a whole total overhaul of

557
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: this defense. So yeah, they started with an edge, a

558
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: D tackle, D lineman dB D lineman Like that just

559
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: shows you exactly what they're playing. Was there just to

560
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: attack that D line and attack what they think is

561
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 2: weakness ran on their team is that defense? So yeah,

562
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: not much to say of the forty nine ers. Yere

563
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: plus one forty five don't like that value at all.

564
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: I think they're overrunder win totals like ten and a half. Yeah,

565
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: I can't do it. So yeah, interesting team coming into

566
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 2: this season. Yeah.

567
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: They went Michael Williams, is it mkal or Michael Edge

568
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: rusher from Georgia. Then they went defensive tackle, then they

569
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: went linebacker, then they went cornerback, defensive tackle. They had

570
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: a wide receiver, a running back, like a safety. They

571
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: basically just rafted all defenders other than Curtis Rourke future

572
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: starting quarterback. The Rams in a while plus win sixty

573
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: five to win the division. There was a lot of people.

574
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: There were a lot of people who were like, will

575
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: the Rams go after Shadoor Sanders? It felt like, you know,

576
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: they need that pick, they need a guy who can

577
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: back up Matthew Stafford. Were you surprised at the Rams draft?

578
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: Kind of a quiet draft, like they weren't aggressive, they

579
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: traded out. Were you surprised at the Rams draft?

580
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 2: No, because all the whisperers you hear is that they

581
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: actually like Dart and that if you look they traded

582
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: out right after you got taken and they trade out

583
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: for a ton, like that's a great trade by getting

584
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: out of there getting a first round pick, for next year,

585
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: which we talked about before the draft. I think next

586
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: year is a really good draft class. So if that's

587
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 2: the route that they want to go with McVeigh, they're

588
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: going to have opportunity. But yeah, this whole draft that

589
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: kept trading down, and yeah, this is a team that

590
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: you know, one of those front offices I just trust

591
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: and everything they do. Like they hadn't had a first

592
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: round pick for years and they finally did get one.

593
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: You know, they had the best defensive player of the

594
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: season last year and first so yeah, this is a

595
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: team that you know, I wouldn't bet them at this

596
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: point plus one sixty five. They were plus two hundred.

597
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: It's come down. I'll wait. This is a slow starting team.

598
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 2: We have the history on it. Every year they start

599
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: slow and then they figure out if this season is

600
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: a long So yeah, we just have to trust this team. Right,

601
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: it's McVeigh in this front office. I assume they nailed

602
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: the draft, but if we look at these pieces on

603
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: the draft board, I got no.

604
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,239
Speaker 1: Clue, right, I mean, it's a lot of sort of

605
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: It wasn't shiny, spectacular, explosive players. It was a lot

606
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: of continuing to build depth for the Rams. In all

607
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: the places where they like to build death. They're building

608
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: depth at tight end, they're building depth across the defensive line,

609
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: and look, they've been brilliant at it. We saw it

610
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: last year. If they think, all right, we can get

611
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: through one year with Matthew Stafford and then next year,

612
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: if we've got two picks, we can package trade up

613
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: get one of the top quarterbacks coming out of the

614
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: draft that could put him in a really good position.

615
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: Totally agree with you. It's interesting to me. It makes

616
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: me feel better about the Giants loving Jackson Dart that

617
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: Sean McVay like Jackson Dart so much. Arizona Cardinals plus

618
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: five point fifty to win the division. We talk about

619
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: guys dropping, We talked about trade or we talked about

620
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: Mike green Will Johnson, who they took in the second round,

621
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: the cornerback from Michigan. He dropped because of an injury.

622
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: But people are loving this pick, talking about him having

623
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: all pro potential that you don't often get in the

624
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: second round. Are we more enthusiastic about the Arizona Cardinals

625
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: right now?

626
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? This mean is the best Valus division. If you're

627
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 2: looking just divisional odds, well, you know, you can get

628
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: a plus five to fifty plus six on you shop around.

629
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: To me, this draft, they needed to attack the defense.

630
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: Just say a couple of teams you've already talked about,

631
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: and they did, like first round pick de tackled then

632
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: like you said, will Johnson cornerback. Then they went edge,

633
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 2: and then they went and then they went d back

634
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: Like this is how they should have drafted, right. That's

635
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: the weakness of this team is their defense, for sure.

636
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 2: So confidence in Kyler Murray every year it gets less

637
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: and less. Chad, I think you're in the same boat.

638
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: So this is a team where every year it feels

639
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: like it's a make or break career year for Kyler.

640
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: We all know he's got the talent, he's got the tools,

641
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: he's got the weapons offensively, no more excuses were over.

642
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 2: I think everyone's kind of over. I think Arizona is

643
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: about a year or two away from being over it

644
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 2: as well. So I love what they did attack the defense.

645
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: You got a defensive minded head coach. He should not

646
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: have scout these players. So uh yeah, to me, best

647
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 2: value right now Arizona in this division.

648
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: Divisional odds Seattle six to one. They got Sam Darnold

649
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: they drafted Jalen Milroe. It can be interesting for a

650
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: couple of packages a game. They really focused on the

651
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: offensive line. That was the issue last year. We saw it.

652
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: They couldn't stop anybody from getting to Gino last year

653
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: and that ultimately became the achilles heel for the team.

654
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: So the first thing they do they draft this guy,

655
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: grays Abel, who's the guard from North Dakota State who

656
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: Mel went crazy over. And it was a sort of

657
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: a non spectacular, non high profile names yet players who

658
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: if you look at draft experts, everybody loved what Seattle did.

659
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 1: They loved they drafted high quality, high potential for need

660
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: on their team.

661
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love this kid, you know. I've saw a

662
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: couple of interviews with him. His personality as well, It's like,

663
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: this is the exact kind of guy one on my

664
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 2: offensive line. He's got that personality for it and just

665
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 2: an absolute dog. But that's not going to fix their

666
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: issues the companies coming season. That the more I look

667
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 2: at their team, I'm excited to see what their defense

668
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: is going to be like in year two. But their

669
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 2: offensive line is terrible, and that's Sam Darnold's achille heels pressure,

670
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 2: especially up the middle so great that they took a guard,

671
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 2: a guy who think is gonna be a good player,

672
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: But they have a lot of holes to fix, and

673
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: I just don't think they did enough in this draft

674
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: to fix those holes on that offensive line.

675
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: Let's do the NFC South because we love Baker and

676
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: last year, at this time, I think we were thinking

677
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: the Bucks might be the worst team in the division.

678
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: Now they are the odds on favorite to win again.

679
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: They chose a Mecca a Buka, the wide receiver from

680
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: Ohio State, which could just tell you something about how

681
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: they feel about Chris Godwin. They also chose a guy

682
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: that we talked about last week on the podcast with

683
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: Thorne Eystrom, who loved Benji Morrison, the cornerback from Notre Dame.

684
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: They drafted him in the second round. And you know,

685
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: if you want to talk, maybe I'm getting soft. You

686
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: loved the prank call of Obrook's kid to Shador Sanders.

687
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: I love the complete, total, genuine, authentic emotional response that

688
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: Ben Morrison had when he was got when he got

689
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: the call from the Bucks and was just full water works,

690
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: full tears, joy, relief, pride, happiness with his family. That

691
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: to me was like those homecoming videos that you get

692
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: on TikTok where the soldiers come home and they're hugging

693
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: their kids and the kids see them and they freak out.

694
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: That to me, what that was. I could just watch

695
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: that all day. Go Bucks, Go Ben Morrison.

696
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

697
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

698
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 2: And I would say just from the top, pretty interesting

699
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 2: that they open at plus one ten for this division,

700
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: like the fact that the books are giving them so

701
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: much more weight over Penix in Atlanta, which I think

702
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: is going to be the really Joe public team. So

703
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 2: that shows that early smart money's got to be Tampa, right,

704
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: That's that's professional money here making that number what it is.

705
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: And looking at this draft, like you just said, they

706
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: had to attack that secondary. That was their biggest weakness

707
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 2: last year. I know they had horrible amount of injuries

708
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 2: and at the end of the day though, they just

709
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: had a talent weakness at that position. Even their starters

710
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 2: before they got hurt weren't great. So the fact that

711
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: you know they're going after their cornerbacks, they're going after

712
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: d line and like you said, start out the top

713
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: with a wide receiver because you know Godwin is coming

714
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 2: off a major injury. Love it all, Chad and it's

715
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: just Tampa. Like we keep saying, it's incredible the organization

716
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: they are in this division where you know, as much

717
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 2: as we love shitting on this division, this is a

718
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: Tampa team that is an expansion team has won multiple

719
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 2: Super Bowls, and it's it's pretty incredible at this point

720
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: that Tom Brady, now, what is a year three since

721
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: he's been gone, and they've won the division two years

722
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: in a row since he's left, so really really impressive,

723
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: And like Chad's basically saying, We're just gonna trust this

724
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: front office. They just keep making the right draft picks

725
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: and the right moves.

726
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: Uh, speaking of Atlanta not understanding their moves for the

727
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: second year in a row. Yeah, okay, Like they got

728
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: their their their edge rusher in the middle of the

729
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: first round, and then they trade a first round uder

730
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: the Rams, who basically fleeced them to get back into

731
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: the first round and draft another EDG rusher who wasn't

732
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: even like the highest rated ED rusher left on the board.

733
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's bizarre, especially where I love the Walker pick.

734
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 2: It felt like that was a oh great, you guys

735
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 2: are attacking the edge, you need the ends. Great, Now

736
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: I'll take another one in the second round. Maybe No,

737
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 2: they traded back and they take another DN, which is good.

738
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 2: I liked the idea for their team, but like you said,

739
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 2: it's really stupid value, especially where they have an unproven

740
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 2: quarterback in Penix being their starting next tray. I mean,

741
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 2: they could shit the bed. This could be a top ten,

742
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: top fifteen pick. So who bizarre move rams like we said,

743
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 2: just the rich getting richer. Smart move by them. And yeah, overall,

744
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 2: this is a team that need to attack the defense.

745
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 2: Like we talked about, they used their first four picks

746
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: attacking the defense. Their last pick, picked to eighteen, took

747
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,479
Speaker 2: an old lineman. So yeah, this, like you said, plus

748
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: two to thirty plus two forty for them to win

749
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,919
Speaker 2: this division. I'm not touching Atlanta. I just I don't

750
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: really trust this team, and I don't know how I

751
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: feel yet about Penix.

752
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: Is it truly in the year to say, all right,

753
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: we're going in on the Panthers at plus four to

754
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: thirty five because they basically they addressed every need. They

755
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: needed a receiver for Bryce Young, they needed edge rushers,

756
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: they did that. They needed help like along the defensive

757
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: line generally, they did that like they were great. They

758
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: were totally great. Love the Panthers if we believed in

759
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: them at the end of the year. We have to

760
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: believe in them. At plus four thirty five.

761
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you said, like, this is the team we're

762
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 2: gonna love. And you know the fact that they were

763
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: plus five hundred, got bet down at plus four to fifty.

764
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: Now they're down to plus four to twenty five. It

765
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 2: makes sense. I think most professionals are like us. But

766
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: they're just gonna look at the team that they have

767
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: so much potential. And like said, this draft, they attacked

768
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: all the needs we talked about, right, They needed edge help,

769
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 2: some dns. They wouldn't got two of them. The first

770
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: round pick is gonna be interesting. Chad like this kid McMillan,

771
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: this fire receiver, like a couple of really bad clips

772
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 2: of them out there, him talking about he doesn't love football,

773
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: doesn't like like doing the extra work right, reading through

774
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: the playbook. I think what he came out and said afterwards,

775
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 2: he was just young and stupid and he was just

776
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: talking out of his ass. And I hope that's true,

777
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 2: because shed all the time. It's easy to act like

778
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 2: you love this the great ones though they love it

779
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 2: and they put in the work and that's what you're

780
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: going to need, especially if you're going to be the

781
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: number one receiver of this team. So we're on the

782
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: same page. It's never to worry for us to show

783
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 2: our love on this Panthers and the fact that it's

784
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 2: still above plus four hundred. I love that value right

785
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: on this Panthers team to win this division.

786
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: Look at Nick Saban, who I love had great comments

787
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: about this happens in every field. Just because you have

788
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: innate talent as a football player doesn't mean it translates

789
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: when you get to the higher levels. In the same

790
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: way you might have innate talent as a doctor. Doesn't

791
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: mean it's going to translate if you don't commit to

792
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: the process, if you don't do the work, if you're

793
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: not passionate about it, if you don't want to study

794
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 1: on a regular basis. You can be the greatest doctor,

795
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: the greatest football player in the world. There's very few

796
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: people who can get away with not doing all the

797
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: stuff that it takes to elevate to the next level.

798
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 3: And it can't be an outcome.

799
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:56,479
Speaker 2: Orient the guy.

800
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 3: If you're going to be productive, because you're going to

801
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 3: focus on what you need to do to get it right.

802
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of times when guys have talent,

803
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 3: you just assume that they have that. Everybody's smart that

804
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,959
Speaker 3: goes to medical school, but everybody doesn't make it through,

805
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 3: and some that make it through don't make good doctors.

806
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 3: So it's the same kind of thing with athletes. When

807
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 3: people are a process oriented and then they have a

808
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 3: discipline to execute it, that's when you get a talented

809
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 3: player who becomes a great player.

810
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 2: But like I always love the story about young guys

811
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 2: who come in they see the veteran quarterback and how

812
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: eye open is and you know, Mahomes tells a great

813
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: story by Alex Smith where he was just like I

814
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: knew how hard I had to work, but seeing the

815
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 2: fact that he was always the first one in, last

816
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: one out, like really, it does instill into you. It's

817
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: like you want to be the best. The guy who

818
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: was already much better than you was putting in that

819
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: extra hours. Like we talk the time, the Kobe story,

820
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: Kobe going to the gym with the USA basketball team

821
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 2: at four or five in the morning. Lebron James couldn't

822
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 2: believe it. He goes, wait, you're practicing before our practice

823
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 2: and lifting, and that's when he realized, like that's what

824
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 2: it takes to be great. So yeah, it's it's really

825
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,479
Speaker 2: interesting what did in this draft this Panthers team.

826
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: Saints went with Calvin Banks first pick, tackle from Texas.

827
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: We had a long conversation about them in the podcast

828
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: last week where his position was going to be. He

829
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: was starting to get all this love. People thought he

830
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: might go before Will Campbell, who went forth over all

831
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: the Patriots. He did not. But what got interesting was

832
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 1: everyone thought Shed Sanders to the Saints was the exact

833
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: right spot, and then in the second round they draft that,

834
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, eighty five year old quarterback from Louisville. So

835
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: clearly sand Sanders was never in there in the Saints

836
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: draft plans. There's seven to one right now to win

837
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: the NFC South.

838
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was reading about that kid, Tyler. I think

839
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: he's like twenty sixth a quarterback they took from Louisville.

840
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 2: Uhrathley my age seriously though, very bizarre, very bizarre pick.

841
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 2: Like I had said before, I know that he has

842
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 2: a ton of talent. It's someone who can never stay

843
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: healthy and like you know, has never proven to be

844
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 2: what he just got to draft that. So, yeah, the Saints,

845
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 2: I thought they had the worst draft in this division.

846
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 2: But I think it's also just, you know, part of

847
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 2: the deal with this Saints team. It's just they're going

848
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 2: to be doubted every step just because they've just been

849
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: a train wreck here this last five six years. So yeah,

850
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: don't much have to say about the Saints team. Would

851
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: not touch them at plus eight hundred plus seven to fifty.

852
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 2: Ton't win this division.

853
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 1: Best division in football, NFC North Detroit Lions best record

854
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: in football last year, number one seed, did it with

855
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: masking tape on their defensive side, on the defensive side

856
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: of the ball. So what do they do? First pick?

857
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: They draft a guy from Ohio State defensive tackle. Great move,

858
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: but then they go offensive line, wide receiver, offensive line.

859
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: They don't go back to the defensive line in an

860
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: edge rusher until the sixth round of the draft. They're

861
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: clearly smarter than we are. They are the odds on

862
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: favorite to win the division plus one thirty. At that

863
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: three sixty five, I'm not betting the Lions to win

864
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 1: this division.

865
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: No, you know, we might overrate it a little bit

866
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: on this show how important coaching is, but there is

867
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 2: some truth to our madness and the fact they lost

868
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: such important key figures to this team from the defensive

869
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 2: side and the offensive side of the coaching position, we

870
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 2: have to hold it accountable. And you know, we talked

871
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: about this division. The worst odds are now are Chad's

872
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: Bears a plus four to fifty, which is how crazy.

873
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 2: That's how close this division is right.

874
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: Now, and we're betting the Bears.

875
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: Like you said, though, it's the best division of football.

876
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: So I want to take a position on Detroit. I

877
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: don't think this is the spot to take it, especially divisionally.

878
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 2: It's not a good number. And like you said, I'm

879
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 2: going to trust the front office. I like that they

880
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 2: attacked just the D line. The D line first pick. Great,

881
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 2: Now give me a couple offense alignment, right, keep building

882
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: on what that makes you guys so great? Which is

883
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: that offensive line. That's that's what it's all about. And

884
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: you know the whispers we hear about them moving on

885
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 2: from the wide receiver Williams, we don't know how true

886
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: it is, but they did take a wide receiver at

887
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: pick seventy. That's a big deal. So ye, you're right, like,

888
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: this is not a team we're gonna take a plus

889
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: one thirty. But I'm excited to see what they're gonna

890
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: be like without Ben Johnson. Like this is just a

891
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 2: team that oozes a crazy amount of talent. Can they

892
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 2: stop being cursed? Put it all together? Remains to be seen.

893
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: Packers plus two seventy five. Jordan Love coming back for

894
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: a full season healthy, and I do like what they

895
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: did here. After years of neglecting the receiver room generally

896
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: and trying to patch together with with lower rated players,

897
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: they went out and got a burner in Matthew Golden,

898
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: who had dropped a little bit. A lot of people

899
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: thought he might be the number one receiving prospect, and

900
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: they got him at twenty three. That's a weapon for

901
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: Jordan Love. I love this play. Still not the team

902
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: I would bet to win the division.

903
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't hate the number. I wish it was

904
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: plus three hundred plus two seventy five. It feels like

905
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 2: we missed the best of the number for this division.

906
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 2: You know, love the golden pick. Green Bay fans bitching

907
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: and moaning about them never taking talented receivers. You guys

908
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 2: drafted DeVante Adams. What the fuck you're talking about, Jordan Nelson?

909
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: You drafted him as well. It's like you guys have

910
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: had some great draft picks. Your front office is just

911
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: smart taking them in the second third round. And you know,

912
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 2: Golden here, you definitely slipped right. This is the guy

913
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: that lot of yeah for sure to be a top ten,

914
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: top fifteen pick and maybe the first receiver off the board. Yes,

915
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 2: Speedster excited to see what the floor does with him

916
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: in different packages. You know, this is a team that

917
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 2: went receiver, offensive tackle, receiver. I love that start right,

918
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: they're basically saying that and love. Okay, We'll we failed

919
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 2: you a little bit here. We've not gotten you the

920
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: weapons wide receiverally that we should have in these last

921
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: two three years. We're going to attack that position in

922
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 2: this draft. And you know, obviously they need Golden to

923
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 2: hit right. In this division, the difference between the number

924
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: one team and the last place team is so small.

925
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 2: It's gonna be guys like this, this type of pick

926
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 2: that could change his division. So if Golden hits, he's

927
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 2: a Tyreek Hill type, you know, a sweetzer that can

928
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 2: stretch the field and open up the run game for

929
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs. It's our home run of a draft pick.

930
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, I get why Green Bays fans are so excited.

931
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: How can you not be taking this kid with a

932
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: great name as well, Golden, I love it at pick twenty.

933
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: Three Minnesota Vikings plus four hundred Minnesota Vikings. Look, it's

934
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: basically JJ McCarthy was their number one pick because he'll

935
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: be starting this year. So they did the right things.

936
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: They drafted a guard from Ohio State, Donovan Jackson, to

937
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: help protect him. They drafted a wide receiver from Maryland

938
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: Future School for my younger son, Owen Millman, who has

939
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: decided to commit to Maryland. Uh, we're super excited about that.

940
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: Go Turps. Yeah, they did the things they need to

941
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: do in the first couple of rounds to give JJ

942
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: McCarthy a little bit more support. You're always gonna trust

943
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: their coach. I like the value at Minnesota at this number.

944
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: Don't like it as much as the Bears though, No.

945
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 2: I wouldn't touch it. It's too much unknown with j J.

946
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: I'm excited. Obviously they got high hopes. This kid's a winner,

947
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 2: but like we talked about him coming out, just never

948
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 2: had enough reps, never never had enough reps in college

949
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,959
Speaker 2: of passing the ball, really having the offense on his back,

950
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 2: so a ton of unknown you know, Koc, How can

951
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 2: you not trust this guy? He made Sam Darnold and

952
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 2: do one hundred million dollar quarterback and do a playoff

953
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 2: caliber quarterback. So yeah, to me, worst drafting division just

954
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 2: because they had no fucking picks. Man, They've had to

955
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 2: pick twenty four take a guard. Great, Now they don't

956
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 2: pick till one oh two like that. That's really tough.

957
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 2: So yeah, they mortgage the future. They got the quarterback

958
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: from last year. Like you said, it's they're not They

959
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 2: don't care if they win this year. This is all

960
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 2: about setting up for the next two to three to

961
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 2: four years. So that from my standpoint, I'm with you.

962
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 2: I liked they went guard receiver. Nice way to start it.

963
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, this this to me was enoughing draft from Minnesota.

964
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: Chicago Bears plus four point fifty. There it is there,

965
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: it is there. It look they sucker us every year.

966
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,479
Speaker 1: They truly do. They do, they really do. And so

967
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 1: you know, credit to Ryan Poles and the front office

968
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: who win the off season so consistently that we cannot

969
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: help ourselves but pull the trigger.

970
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: Well, we were negative last year, Smartley, We were all

971
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: over the tread divisionally, and we were on the Bears

972
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 2: under win.

973
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 1: Total, so that's true.

974
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 2: We're back on this year, though.

975
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: We're so back on. I love the Loveland pick, you know,

976
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: I'm raft. I'm all in him being Sam Laporta part

977
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: two for Ben Johnson Luther Burden, who going into the season,

978
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: like a lot of people thought he might be the

979
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: best receiver in the draft. So the fact that he

980
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: dropped to the second round for the Bears and they

981
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: got him, and then they drafted an offensive lineman, a

982
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: six eight dude from Boston College Ye who will help

983
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 1: solidify the offensive line. That was a real issue obviously

984
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 1: for Caleb because he was sacked many times last year,

985
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: partially his fault he should let the ball go sooner.

986
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 1: We're gonna work on that, but they need defensive line help,

987
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: and they kind of ignored it and just said, we

988
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: need to do everything we can to maximize the opportunity

989
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: for Caleb Williams to be successful. Recognizing how important and

990
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: how good the other quarterbacks are in their division and

991
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,439
Speaker 1: in their conference, they need him to be great week one.

992
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: This is the best opportunity to do that. So I'm

993
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: all in. Yeah.

994
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: They also made a deal to Devil and Ben Johnson.

995
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 2: They gave him a ton of money and you can

996
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 2: see in this draft that they let his imprint be

997
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 2: known on this team. And I love the pick with Loveland.

998
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 2: You know, I really thought they couldn't go wrong him

999
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 2: or Warrener, you know, the kid out of Penn State,

1000
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 2: both great tight ends. Loveland's a freak. This kid could

1001
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 2: be Gronk or like you said, Sam Laporta, that's that's

1002
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: the ceiling, you know the fact that they get this

1003
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 2: kid out of Missoo and the next round and where

1004
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: it's like, like Chad said, he's projected to be your

1005
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 2: first round of Steve Smith loves this kid, like can't

1006
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 2: stop raving about him. And then you know it's not

1007
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 2: the sexiest pick, but I like this kid Turner you

1008
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 2: got as an edge. I think he has some really

1009
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: high upside. So overall, like to me, the Bears their

1010
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 2: first fourth picks really knocked it out of the park.

1011
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 2: And yeah, I just I have so much faith in

1012
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson. If I don't really trust your your general

1013
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 2: manager totally, I really do trust Ben Johnson and his

1014
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 2: vision for building this team how he wants to. And

1015
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: you can immediately see his imprint on this team right

1016
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 2: from this get go with this draft.

1017
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: I'm glad we're in agreement. I want to be like

1018
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: having to push you into the Bears.

1019
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm man.

1020
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,320
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00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,600
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