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Speaker 1: On this episode of news World. For over a thousand years,

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Speaker 1: the people of Hungary have fought against oppression and survived

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Speaker 1: to wholeheartedly embrace their freedom and their national identity. Hungary's

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Speaker 1: decades long fight against communism and fascism is a stark

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Speaker 1: warning to the West. Love of progressivism and its vibrant,

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Speaker 1: freedom loving democracy in the heart of Europe is an

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Speaker 1: example from America. All of this is detailed by doctor

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Speaker 1: Shay Bradley Ferrell in her new book, Last Warning to

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Speaker 1: the West, Hungary's triumph over Communism and the Woke Agenda.

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Speaker 1: Here to discuss her new book, I'm really pleased to

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Speaker 1: welcome my guests, doctor Shay Bradley Farrell. She has president

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Speaker 1: of Counterpoint Institute for Policy Research and Education in Washington,

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Speaker 1: expert with experience in international development. Previously, doctor Shay worked

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Speaker 1: alongside senior Trump administration officials, including Secretary of Mike Pompeo

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Speaker 1: and Senior Advisor Ivanka Trump One a variety of issues

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Speaker 1: while serving as vice president of international affairs for a

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Speaker 1: DC public policy organization. Shay, welcome and thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining me on newts World.

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Speaker 2: Mister speaker. It's certainly an honor and a privilege to

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Speaker 2: be with you today. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So I'm fascinated. Tell us what you saw your first

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Speaker 1: time visiting Hungary back in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Well, I will tell you. As I drove into the

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Speaker 2: I was greeted with Gothic architecture, Baroque architecture, beautiful historical designs.

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Speaker 2: And that kind of describes the journey of the book

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Speaker 2: that I wrote, of Hungary in its darkest days of

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Speaker 2: communist oppression to its modern era today, where it has

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Speaker 2: pulled itself out of all of this and become a

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Speaker 2: very prosperous society. And the last thing I'll say on that, though,

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Speaker 2: is last year when I was doing the research for

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Speaker 2: things that I kept hearing over and over again from Hungarians,

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Speaker 1: No, it's very sobrin Chlischen and I visited a couple

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Speaker 1: former Secret Police headquarters, which included the jail in the

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Speaker 1: basement where they tortured people and is now a public museum.

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Speaker 1: And I have to say, one of the most impressive

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Speaker 1: on their horses looking down into the Danube as they

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Speaker 1: arrived from Central Asia. I found Budapest to be just

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Speaker 1: an astonishing city, which I recommend to people all the time.

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Speaker 1: Is a place to go and you're in a different

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Speaker 1: Danube is so beautiful it is.

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Speaker 2: And mister speaker, can I say too, that museum that

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Speaker 2: you spoke about, it's called the House of Terror because

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Speaker 2: the Nazis, as you know, occupied it with the Aerocross

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Speaker 2: in and occupied with the Secret Police, as you said,

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Speaker 2: and it is one of the fundamental reasons I wrote

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Speaker 1: Well, and of course the rebellion in nineteen fifty six

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, under the Trump administration, Hungary had a

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Speaker 2: But we have drifted into this very antagonistic relationship with

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Speaker 2: If you look at any of his social media, you'll

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Speaker 1: Well, it tells you, frankly about the Biden administration that

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Speaker 2: There's three main reasons, and that is gender, migration and war.

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Speaker 2: The EU is pushing the transgender ideology into hunger. They

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Speaker 2: we don't want that. So they adopted amendments to their

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Speaker 2: The second thing is illegal immigration. The EU constantly is

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Speaker 2: part during the Arab uprisings. They took in hundreds of thousands,

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Speaker 2: in Ukraine. There are people again under a referendum said

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Speaker 2: no to sanctions because the energy sanctions that we have

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Speaker 2: Energy crisis has also would have done the same thing

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Speaker 2: to Hungary, would have crushed their economy. You know, even

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Speaker 2: their infrastructure for energy is Soviet era. They're trying to

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Speaker 2: it can't happen overnight. So those are the three main reasons.

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Speaker 2: And I would like to point out, as you began saying,

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Speaker 2: you know, Hungary is our ally, they're a NATO ally,

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Speaker 2: they're a member of the European Union, and yet we're

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Speaker 1: For one thing, that the Hungarian erection of fences, which

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Speaker 1: I think at the time involves Syrian refugees, actually worked.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when people talk about our southern border and say, well,

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Speaker 2: And you know what, all the issue of Ukraine and immigration,

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Speaker 2: I spent hours in the Ukrainian refugee center in Hungary.

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Speaker 2: Hungary has allowed three point five million Ukrainian refugees to

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Speaker 2: But they've done their best to help the situation. So

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Speaker 2: they're not against people coming in, they're against people coming

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Speaker 1: Hungry's not a very big country in that sense.

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Speaker 2: No, it is ten million people, small country right there

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Speaker 2: in the heart of Europe.

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Speaker 1: If I remember correctly, Soro spent a great deal of

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Speaker 1: to make Soros the central figure of his reelection campaign.

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Speaker 1: Can you describe that whole? I mean, I don't understand

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Speaker 2: You know, he's Hungarian, but he hates Hungary, I really believe.

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Speaker 2: But he pours billions of dollars in to actually countries

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Speaker 2: all over the world pushing his social and his political agenda.

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Speaker 2: Even in the United States, mister speaker, we see things

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Speaker 2: like the Corporate Equality Index was put up by organizations

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Speaker 2: funded by him, like the Human Rights Campaign. This corporate

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Speaker 2: equality index is what turned target in Nike, And honestly,

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Speaker 2: even Fox News has a transgender transition program for their employees.

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Speaker 2: So all these corporations have bowed to this corporate equality index,

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Speaker 2: and it's a Soorros backed index. I could create an

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Speaker 2: But anyway, the point is they're well funded and it's

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Speaker 2: changing the fabric of our society. Orbon one Orbon likes opposition.

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Speaker 2: I believe he was a freedom fighter at the end

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Speaker 2: so they're winning. But Soros is definitely an antagonist.

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Speaker 1: My impression was talking to some people who'd worked with

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Speaker 1: his reelection and that the people of Hungary overwhelmingly chose

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Speaker 1: Orban over Soros in terms of the future they wanted.

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Speaker 1: Was that your sense of things, Yes.

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Speaker 2: He is not loved there. That is also my sense.

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Speaker 2: A majority of people do not love Soros in that country.

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Speaker 1: We were struck. Listen and I I think We're with

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Speaker 1: also very firm in his religious and philosophical beliefs. But

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Speaker 1: it's really surprised me how much the left in general

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Speaker 1: out of their way to smear him with things that

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Speaker 2: It's absolutely amazing. And that's how I start the book

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Speaker 2: out is at last Morning to the West. How did

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Speaker 2: you know. Orbon spoke at Seapack in Texas last year.

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Speaker 2: He is hated by the left. He's maligned in the

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Speaker 2: And that's why I think think that they are a

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Speaker 2: doing it successfully against the EU. And I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: I have had the pleasure of meeting with him twice

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Speaker 2: of things. He was one of the founders of the

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Speaker 2: Fetez party that is in power right now. But he's

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Speaker 2: a very thoughtful person. He actually asks questions and listens

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Speaker 2: the best solutions. And he is staunchly pro Hungarian. In

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Speaker 2: other words, Hungry first is what he puts in his

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Speaker 2: foreign policy, just like I wish Joe Biden would do

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Speaker 1: When Trump originally talked about America first, he gave a

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Speaker 1: this is one of the things that people in Brussels,

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Speaker 1: or believing, and that is a great deal. Of the

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Speaker 1: boldest things that Orbon has done actually involved referendums where

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Speaker 1: the people of Hungary, by overwhelming majorities, favored policies that

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Speaker 1: are pro family, pro children, and dramatically more conservative than

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Speaker 2: That is absolutely correct. Italy, they now have a conservative president.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I write about this in the book, mister speaker.

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Speaker 2: it's in the very last part of my book that

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Speaker 1: Partly, you have a real contest now between the popular

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Speaker 2: That is exactly right. You know, the EU is as

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Speaker 1: The emergence of a modern democratic Hungary was a long

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Speaker 1: So after this long and painful history, there's a magic

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love this twelve point plan because it's common sense,

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Speaker 1: So from your standpoint, if you could take more bands

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Speaker 2: So it's just another example of the things that we

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Speaker 1: I was really struck that your book, for anybody who

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