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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave

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Speaker 1: Pash Podcast. I'm your host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals broadcaster

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Speaker 1: Dave Pash. Our guest this week is first year Arizona

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Speaker 1: Cardinals defensive coordinator Nick Rawlis. Nick is the youngest coordinator

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. He just turned thirty years of age

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Speaker 1: a month ago, and we'll talk with him about how

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Speaker 1: he got into coaching, to begin with his experience with

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Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings and then the Philadelphia Eagles working with

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon and Nick Siriani. We'll also talk with coach

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Speaker 1: Rowlis about some of the current players he's mentoring, including

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Speaker 1: Zaban Collins, and the growth that Rowlis is seeing in

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Speaker 1: Collins so far in camp.

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Speaker 2: What I love that I've seen from him when he's

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Speaker 2: on the edge is I think you can kind of

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Speaker 2: let it loose a little bit more when you're playing

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Speaker 2: with a little bit less vision on everything. Your vision

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Speaker 2: shrinks a little bit on the edge and you can

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Speaker 2: let your physical tools completely take over. And I'm seeing

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Speaker 2: him just use those tools and go make plays on

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Speaker 2: the edge.

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Speaker 1: We'll also talk with Nick about his famous brother Mike Rawlis,

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Speaker 1: step all right, Time for our conversation with a very

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Speaker 1: entertaining young coach. Nick rawllis defensive coordinator of the Arizona Cardinals. So, Coach,

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Speaker 1: I actually want to start with what we were just

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Speaker 1: talking about off the air, talking about my voice with

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Speaker 1: which this is how I talk normally, but obviously during

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Speaker 1: a game you change it like a little bit, but

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of used to it. And so I was

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Speaker 1: asking you when you are calling the defense, because when

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Speaker 1: the crowd's really loud. Like in an outdoor football game,

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Speaker 1: I probably have to talk a little bit louder as

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Speaker 1: opposed to like an indoor basketball game. Do you feel

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Speaker 1: like you are you talking the same all the time.

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Speaker 2: Well, when you're talking to the players on the sideline,

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Speaker 2: if it's loud, you have to talk a little bit louder.

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Speaker 2: But when you're actually sending the call in to the

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Speaker 2: green dot, you don't want to raise your voice just

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Speaker 2: because the crowd is loud, because you know your your

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Speaker 2: mouth is right up next to that mic and it's

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Speaker 2: going to be screaming, and that guy his microphone is

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Speaker 2: right in his ear. So you just want to talk

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Speaker 2: normal because otherwise it's going to sound a little distorted

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Speaker 2: and also kind of hurt his ear drums maybe. So

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Speaker 2: you got to be able to just give the call

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Speaker 1: And how did it go last weekend? First time doing

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Speaker 1: it in a game, it was it was good.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're used to doing it in practice like

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Speaker 2: you're just you're giving the calls. It's it's normal. You know.

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Speaker 2: JAG's great advice med was make sure you hit the

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Speaker 2: button right.

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Speaker 1: That's hit the button, so it's like here, just turn it,

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Speaker 1: make sure the mic is on before you start talking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, like you have to. You have to hold

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Speaker 2: it's on and you got to give the call. You

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Speaker 2: So you'll start getting like beeps like you're out. You

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Speaker 1: So you want to make sure you don't start giving

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy to think that this stuff probably happens, right.

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Speaker 1: They're probably times in games when you see guys are

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Speaker 1: It's interesting. We had our production meeting for the TV

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Speaker 1: gonna miss calling plays and he said, in a way yes,

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Speaker 1: because it's fun. But then he said, but Nick is

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Speaker 1: he said it, he didn't have to say that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's quite a compliment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, JG's I think he would. I think he feels

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Speaker 2: just you know, for you to say that, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: he said that, it's a great compliment. I think he'd

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Speaker 2: say really good things about a lot of people on

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Speaker 1: So you're thirty years old, and you just turned thirty.

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Speaker 1: You're the youngest coordinator in the NFL. You got hired

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Speaker 1: in the spring or the winner, whatever that was exactly,

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Speaker 1: age that I did. I was twenty nine. I've been

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Speaker 1: here twenty two years. So as you look at my hair,

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Speaker 1: But at age twenty nine. And it was interesting because

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Speaker 2: I didn't decide until I was done playing. You know,

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Speaker 2: once I made that decision, I was either going to

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Speaker 2: Like what I loved about the thought of being around

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Speaker 2: But you know, I got my graduate degree in sporting

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Speaker 2: really want to have the greatest influence on the player,

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Speaker 1: So you and I want to talk about your playing career.

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Speaker 1: So in twenty seventeen, you go to Wake Forest. I

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Speaker 1: think one of the most underrated coaches in college football

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Speaker 1: is Dave Clawson.

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Speaker 2: They do a great job there.

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Speaker 1: So tell me why Wake Forest after playing at Minnesota

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Speaker 1: and what about that experience? It was just one year

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Speaker 1: right that you were there. What how did that boost

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Speaker 2: So the reason that I went to Wake Force was

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Speaker 2: of my avenue in and I'm jsovel. I'm really appreciative

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Speaker 2: not easy to get those jobs when you're just getting out.

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Speaker 2: You got no nothing to show for right, I don't

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Speaker 2: know how to work XOS, the visio, all the tools

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Speaker 2: And so there was a learning curve there. So what

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Speaker 2: You know, you're in the locker room. That's completely different, dynamic, right,

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Speaker 2: And so going to Wake Forest was a great experience.

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Speaker 2: I was a volunteer at quality Control and the people

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Speaker 2: he coordinated position coaches, the graduate assistance, they did a

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a thing where it's like, hey, come sink

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Speaker 1: And then you go to the NFL the next year.

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Speaker 1: I understand its quality control coach, but still to be

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Speaker 1: able to get that job after one season of college football,

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Speaker 1: you're with the Vikings. How did that come about? Who

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Speaker 1: you had a contact?

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Speaker 2: Luck? Well, oh yes, But so here's what happened at

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Speaker 2: my pro day. Okay, so I wasn't actually doing anything.

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Speaker 2: the pro day. And the main contact I had who

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Speaker 2: That was another person that really helped me out and

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Speaker 2: helped shape my philosophies on defense with Jeff Howard, who's

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Speaker 2: And it wasn't actually until that summer going into the

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Speaker 2: He would wear this. I think he would wear the straw.

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Speaker 2: I never I had never made that connection before.

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Speaker 1: Well it's a bad segue. I was trying to get

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Speaker 1: And I guess you were in some way talking smack

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Speaker 2: It to me, is Diamondwa's page.

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Speaker 2: I'm a football coach. What the heck, let's get your brother,

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Speaker 1: So, like I'm curious, So does he talked to you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sports entertainment, right, right, you're you're like the

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Speaker 2: Let's let's let's end this with the wrestling thing. If

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Speaker 2: You got to go digging. I don't know where you

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Speaker 1: Does your brother have it?

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Speaker 2: It was a great match. I won't spoil the ending

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Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna spell. Then you gotta go back

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Speaker 2: down in the basement.

436
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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, coach, you were talking about Shaye Thompson.

437
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: Weren't you saying there was something else that connected the

438
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 1: two of you along with your brother?

439
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Shae is I don't want to. I don't

440
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 2: know exactly, but he is far along with his belts

441
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 2: in jiu jitsu. So do not mess with Shaye. He

442
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 2: will choke you out. Okay. So yeah, So you know,

443
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 2: when I was in college and I think my brother

444
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 2: was moving on to WWE, during our you know, downtime

445
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 2: and like the indoor of the football field, Shae would

446
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 2: actually take us through jiu jitsu training using the graces teaching,

447
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 2: and so Shae would be sitting there instructing, demonstrating for us,

448
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: and we would be on the ground rolling with each

449
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 2: other learning jiu jitsu. And so I do remember one

450
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 2: time that we did decide, hey, let's let's roll, right,

451
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 2: that's the term, you know for like, hey, let's kind

452
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: of spar and we ended up sparring for for probably

453
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 2: a good you know, five minutes. You get tired, like

454
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 2: a good someone who's good in jiu jitsu does not

455
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 2: get tired, right, that's the whole purpose. You want to

456
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 2: be able to conserve your energy. We're like on the

457
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 2: go and we're like constantly bad on each other. The

458
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 2: match ended, Now I shouldn't call it a match, it's

459
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 2: not a match, but it ended with terrible jiu jitsu technique.

460
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 2: My brother has me pinned on the ground with his

461
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 2: hand on my throat, just choking me, and I'm close

462
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 2: to passing. I refuse to tap, so he ended up.

463
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 2: He was a pretty good brother. He he just he

464
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 2: got off and we started laughing, like what kind of

465
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 2: terrible jiu jitsu was that towards the end. But I

466
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 2: don't know. I just I guess I was refusing to tap,

467
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 2: you know, you just kind of give the little tip

468
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 2: tap like when it's over. None of us, neither of

469
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 2: us tapped, but he was. He. I just remember he

470
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 2: ended up with his hand on my throat and just

471
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 2: started squeezing away and it just started kind of going

472
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: black on me. And then he let up.

473
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Speaker 1: But you you didn't tap out, because you would you

474
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: refuse to tap out to your brother.

475
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 2: I refuse to tap out now. He if he would

476
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Speaker 2: have put me in some real jiu jitsu where I felt,

477
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 2: you know, your arms start to break or something like that,

478
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: you're gonna tap pretty quick. I can't say I'm some

479
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: kind of mental warrior, but I was willing. I was

480
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: willing to pass out.

481
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Speaker 1: Good stuff onto football, which is the reason you're on

482
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: the show, but this has been great talking about this.

483
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: So we talked a little bit about calling the defense.

484
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: You were down on the field for the first game.

485
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: Are you going to be up in the booth?

486
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 2: I'm going to stay down. The original plan was to

487
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 2: kind of test out both during preseason, and you know, honestly,

488
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Speaker 2: I liked it down on the field. I've spent most

489
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 2: of my career in the booth. I was actually in

490
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 2: the booth last season in Philly. I thought it was

491
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 2: kind of the best playoff of JG being on the field,

492
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 2: and I felt like I see things really well in

493
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: the box. I spent one year on the sideline in

494
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one in Philly, and I did not like it.

495
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: But you know, when you're a position coach and you're

496
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: on the sideline, you're sub and you got to stand

497
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 2: somewhere near the ball when you're calling it. You can

498
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: stand either way behind the defense or way behind the offense,

499
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 2: and you know, you see a lot more. And so

500
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: I was like, I can see everything that I need

501
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: to see. I like being down on the field for

502
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 2: the communication piece to my coaches, to JG to the players.

503
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 2: So I liked it down there.

504
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Speaker 1: How much communication. Do you think there will be in

505
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: game once the regular season gets going between you and JG?

506
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: Is that a constant thing or is he pretty much

507
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: just letting you handle it. If he wants to chime

508
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: in or ask a question, he will.

509
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think honestly, I would say that he lets

510
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: us defensively as coaches go, but I think we actually

511
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: will seek him out more often. Hey, JG, what do

512
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 2: you think of this? Should we do this? This? Or this? Like,

513
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: we're not going to let He's awesome to work for

514
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 2: in that regard, but I'm not going to let his

515
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 2: brain go unused. You know what I'm saying. I'm going

516
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 2: to constantly be picking it. So that kind of exists

517
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: in the building on a normal workday, but also on

518
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 2: those headsets definitely kind of feeding off of each other.

519
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: Are your philosophies pretty much the same? Do you see

520
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: the game differently?

521
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 2: We see the game very similar, and I think that's

522
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: why we have really good rapport.

523
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: You know, I did a lot of Micah Parsons games

524
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: at Penn State, and I don't believe he played outside

525
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: at all. If I recall, I think he was just

526
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: an inside linebacker. And then obviously the Cowboys put him outside.

527
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: The rest is history. It's interesting watching Xavi and Collins.

528
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: You guys are taking a guy that played solely inside

529
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: backer at Tulsa, played a little bit off the edge.

530
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: Last He played some off the edge.

531
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Speaker 1: In college too, okay, but primarily wasn't inside line back

532
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: so far.

533
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: In the league. Yeah, he's been primarily inside.

534
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: What do you seeing out of him that you think

535
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: I'm not comparing to Micah Parsons, But look, this guy's

536
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: inn elite athlete. He's sixty threes two sixty five. What

537
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: do you see in him that says this guy could

538
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: be an excellent pass rusher? Obviously, you guys coach has

539
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: On Reddick, but he was a pass rusher in college

540
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: who we try to turn it to an inside linebacker

541
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: and that that didn't work out too well. And then

542
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: obviously you know it was great for you guys in

543
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: Philly last year.

544
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Speaker 2: I think, like first off, with Zavin, he is such

545
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 2: a physical freak that you can use him in multiple ways, right,

546
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 2: whether that's on the edge, stacked inside, whatever. He has

547
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 2: the physical ability and the brain to do it right.

548
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 2: And so that's one thing that not necessarily everybody has.

549
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,479
Speaker 2: And when I talk about the brain and not just

550
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: knowing what to do, but being able to process right.

551
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 2: Being inside is such a processing position. What I love

552
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: that I've seen from him when he's on the edge

553
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: is I think you can kind of let it loose

554
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: a little bit more when you're playing with a little

555
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 2: bit less vision on everything. Your vision shrinks a little

556
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 2: bit on the edge and you can let your physical

557
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: tools completely take over. And like you said, he's a

558
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,959
Speaker 2: physical freak, and that's where I'm seeing him. Just use

559
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 2: those tools and go make plays off the edge.

560
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: Kaiser White has not played yet in the preseason. Was

561
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: with you guys in Philadelphia. What is it about him

562
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: that a reason you guys targeted him is, Hey, we

563
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: need to bring him with us here to be one

564
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: of the centerpieces of our defense.

565
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean there's a lot of things with Kaizer. Obviously,

566
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: when you're with somebody, anybody can watch the tape and

567
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: recognize that Kaizer is a really good linebacker.

568
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: Right.

569
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 2: He's big, he's fast, he's violent, he's got really good

570
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: cover skills former safety. But the thing that when you're

571
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: in the dirt with him is you realize how intelligent

572
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: he is, how he can run the show. That's such

573
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: an important position to get everything aligne and situated. And

574
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: knowing that he could do that, knowing the type of

575
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: leader that he is, the type of locker room guy

576
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: that he is, and I Kaysiers he's one of my favorites.

577
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: You know, I love that guy, And it was it

578
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: was a no brainer.

579
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: How's Isaiah Simmons coming along? Because you know, you go

580
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: back to Clempson, he played all over the place and

581
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: then you know, tried to play linebacker here, tried to

582
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: play safety here, the position that you guys have him

583
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: and now a lot of times he's like the deepest guy.

584
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: Is that where you see him having the chance to

585
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: have the most success and sustain something in the NFL.

586
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think, similar to the conversation with Zavan,

587
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: like he can do a lot because he is so

588
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: physically gifted and sometimes as a coach you want to

589
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: try to overdo it. He could use him this way,

590
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: we could use him this way. So far with you know,

591
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: playing playing in the back end, he's done a phenomenal

592
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: job at just getting better every single day at at

593
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: playing defensive back. And the thing that I love of

594
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: him back there is he is so physically gifted and

595
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: rangy right, and he's going to be able to make

596
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: plays when he's when he's a little bit lower, when

597
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 2: he's blitzing, when he's down in the box in the

598
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: run game, because he's he's a big physical dude, but

599
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: not everyone has the ability to cover grass like he does,

600
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: and so I think he can make plays all over

601
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: the field. I plan for him to make plays all

602
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 2: over the field. But he is doing a phenomenal job

603
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 2: so far throughout training camp.

604
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: How would you assess the corner position right now?

605
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: Great competition, guys that are locked in and improving every day.

606
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: I'm seeing a lot of growth. I'm seeing the competition

607
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: get really tight, but also a room that is together,

608
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: and those guys want to see each other get better

609
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: and are pushing each other. And I'm happy with the progress.

610
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: We got a lot more progress to make, but I'm

611
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: excited over the next However many weeks I can't we

612
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: have left to see who really steps in and takes

613
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: certain roles.

614
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: Key Trell, who played at Louisville six round draft pick.

615
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: I'm just based on what I'm watching, like it looked

616
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: like he belonged. The game was not too big for him.

617
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: When you go back and watch the film of this

618
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: first preseason game, what did you see?

619
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess you know, I've seen Key

620
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: Trell in practice too. I know that he can get

621
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: from A to B right, He's fast, he's sticky on routes,

622
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: and he's shown that throughout training company show that in

623
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: the first preseason game. What I also love about Key

624
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: Treill is he is he's ferocious. You know, he's not

625
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: the biggest guy, but he plays big and he ain't

626
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: turning down any kind of contact and I do appreciate

627
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: that with his game as well.

628
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: We saw a lot of batt at footballs. We saw

629
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: obviously the block on the field goal on special teams.

630
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: It feels like a little bit of a cliche question

631
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: because I know everybody on it, But why do you

632
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: think it worked this past game? And do you think

633
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: that's something that we're going to see a lot of

634
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: this year.

635
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: I do hope they did a great job. It's obviously

636
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: it's something that we work on and harp on and

637
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: constantly coach in the meeting. And I mean give credit

638
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: to the players, like they went out there and got

639
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: it done. You know, sometimes you can sit here and

640
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: talk about it and practice it all you want, but

641
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: if they don't go go execute it, it just doesn't happen,

642
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: you know. And they went out there and in situations

643
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: where they could, whether they went on their rush and

644
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: they matched the quarterback's hand, or they were stalled and

645
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: got their hands up, or they recognized quick gaming they

646
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: got their hands up, they did a phenomenal job. And

647
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: I would love if that continues throughout the season without

648
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: it out because tip passes obviously, you know, they completely

649
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: take away a pass play, but they lead to interceptions,

650
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: right and takeaways are a huge statistic towards winning games.

651
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Speaker 2: So it's something we're going to keep practicing. It's something

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Speaker 2: that we're going to keep harping on, and I hope

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Speaker 2: it's something that they keeps seen show up in the game.

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Speaker 1: Last one for you coach, anybody in particular, or if

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Speaker 1: you want to name a few guys that have really

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Speaker 1: stood out to you that maybe you weren't sure about

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Speaker 1: coming into camp. Either they were veterans who had bounced around,

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Speaker 1: or undrafted players that nobody knew much about. You know,

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Speaker 1: who are some of those guys to you so far?

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I mean, we could talk for a minute here.

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Speaker 2: I guess I'll start with the linebacker room. Josh Woods,

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Speaker 2: Chris Barnes, and Zeke Turner our vets that are playing

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Speaker 2: really good linebacker play right now, and I'm glad those

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Speaker 2: guys are here. They're pushing each other and I'm just

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Speaker 2: seeing steady in the game. I saw very physical play,

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Speaker 2: guys attacking the football, playing big in the run. And

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Speaker 2: then they got two rookies below them are playing really

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Speaker 2: good too. So you know, that's a room that's popped

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Speaker 2: out that maybe around the league there's there's not as

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Speaker 2: much recognition, But being in the with those guys, I

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Speaker 2: got a lot of appreciation for how they're playing. And honestly,

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Speaker 2: I could keep going with every position on that. Well.

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Speaker 1: Listen, man, I appreciate the time. I've got some homework

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Speaker 1: to do, and that's to somehow find this video you

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Speaker 1: against your brother. We also need to get to the

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Speaker 1: bottom of what happened between your brother and Baron Corbin

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Speaker 1: because Baron Corbin is actually a former Cardinals player Tom Pestock,

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Speaker 1: So we need to get to the bottom of that.

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Speaker 1: Unless you have inside information, because I guess they formed

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Speaker 1: the alliance at one point, but now they're mortal enemies.

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Speaker 1: Is that true? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You know, Baron Korben, he just he just started treating

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Speaker 2: Ridick Moss not great. You know, Riddick Moss was was

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Speaker 2: this kind of his sidekick, and you know, he started

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Speaker 2: blaming him on losses and it just created a feud.

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Speaker 2: And those guys they're just they're just not close anymore

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Speaker 2: because of it.

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Speaker 1: Well, hopefully the same does not happen with you and JGI.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we have to worry about that. Hey, man,

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate the time.

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Speaker 2: Next, Thank you appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I think we could have talked with coach Rallis for

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Speaker 1: another half hour just on wrestling in jiu jitsu. Man,

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Speaker 1: that's some wild stuff, the battles between him and his

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Speaker 1: brother and his refusal to tap out during a jiu

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Speaker 1: jitsu match, and we're gonna have to find this video

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Speaker 1: and figure out who actually won the wrestling match between

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Speaker 1: him and his brother. But most importantly for Cardinal fans,

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Speaker 1: getting a feel for Nick as a person, his philosophy

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Speaker 1: on football, and again going back to the comment that

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Speaker 1: Jag told us during our production meeting that he thinks

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Speaker 1: Nick Rallis is a better play caller than he is.

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Speaker 1: We got to see it in preseason game number one,

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Speaker 1: and we'll get to see it again against the Chiefs

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