1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of I Heart Radio. I'm 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today on the show, we're talking 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: about interspecies, buddies, friends, pals, comrades, and chumps who don't 5 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: see speciation as a barrier to friendship. We'll talk about 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: the difference between mutualism and commence alism, why every birdie 7 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: loves a cappy barra, and how the beaches of the 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: Galapagos are a great place for friendship and also the 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: only time you want to be inside the mouth of 10 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: a giant moray discover the some moore. As we answer 11 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: to the angel question, do some animals actually enjoy getting 12 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: crap from their friends? Just so you know, our producer 13 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: Joel Monique will return in a few weeks, so we'll 14 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: get to hear her lovely voice again soon. Today on 15 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: the show, I've invited my good friend, artist and filmmaker 16 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: Randall Maynard. Welcome, Thank you. Do I talk now? This 17 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: is where I talk. You talk now, This is where 18 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: you talk. This is how all of our this is 19 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: how all of our conversations go. Where I have to 20 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: tell Randall like, this is where you talk now, this 21 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: is where is this? What's what's going on? I say, 22 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: what's going on? Where am I? And then you explain 23 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: the situation. I'm so confused, but I just go along 24 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: with it because it's like, why, let's just let's just 25 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: go ahead. That's that's fine. I'm talking about animals. Yeah, 26 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: we're talking about animals. I just want to let you 27 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: know that I came prepared by bringing a tiny plastic 28 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: turtle that I'm shoving into the webcam. And it's also 29 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: unrelated to every animal we're gonna be talking about in 30 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: this episode mostly. But yeah, no, I appreciate the turtle, 31 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: the turtle drop as we like to I don't feel 32 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: like you do, but I thank you for lying. Yeah. 33 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: Now that's what keeps, Honestly, what keeps friendships afloat are 34 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: nice lies, kind lies like yeah, that's great that that 35 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: plastic turtle you're showing me. I love it. Oh, but 36 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: you did give me a very nice gift. You gave 37 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: me a Creature feature podcast action figure of me surrounded 38 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: by various like scorpions and horn toads. It's very lovely. 39 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: I will be posting that to the Creature Feature Instagram, 40 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: which is at Creature Feature Pod on Instagram. So check 41 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: that out to see. It's definitely on the shelves at 42 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: every store. You know, It's at Target and Walmart and 43 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: Price Co and Toys for Kids remember that are us, 44 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 1: we are toys. Yeah, but that thank you for I 45 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: couldn't think of a toy store that was currently open, 46 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: either to uh just closing in general or because of 47 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: the pandemics, so wherever toys are found. But it basically 48 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: has just like a fistful of plastic creatures jammed into 49 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: the package with you, which I thought was the best 50 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: representation of your relationship with animals. Were just to be 51 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: literally surrounded by them, Yeah, in a closed type quarters 52 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: in a transparent bubble. Yeah. Could you could you make 53 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: these like they're like action figure these sort of special 54 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: action figures where it's you know how it has like 55 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: the plastic box that it's in and then the cardboard 56 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: backing and then it says Creature Feature Podcast Special. So 57 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: it's very very lovely you've made all sorts of these 58 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: two Um will definitely plug those later, you're Yeah, this 59 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,119 Speaker 1: is I just I'm gonna yeah, it's gonna just lead 60 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: to the whole episode is gonna be talking about toys 61 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: that I make. Yeah yeah, and co opting your podcast 62 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: to talk about toys. But also no, because because I 63 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: will be arrested by the podcast. Try funeral for for DV. 64 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: And you know, today we're talking about friendship and I 65 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: feel like there is a lot of complexity between animals, 66 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: and often we just kind of called them symbiotic relationships. 67 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: Sometimes people get confused about like symbiosis, because often symbiosis 68 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: is just a general term for animals who work together 69 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: or benefit from each other, when in fact, symbiotic relationships 70 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: describe any linked relationship between two animals. So it can 71 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: be positive, it can be negative, it can be deadly. 72 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: Um So, parasitism is a symbiotic relationship, and that is, 73 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: of course where one animal leaches off of another to 74 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: its detriment or even death. There's a movie about that 75 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: called Venom that if you can watch that, and it'll 76 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: tell you all you need to know about symbiosis. It's 77 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: where an alien attaches itself to Tom Hardy and it 78 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: becomes a big monster, and it's just it's a perfect 79 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: example of what you're talking about. Let me go through 80 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: the terms and you tell me, what is symbiote and 81 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: Tom Hardy's relationship in that movie, because there is there 82 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: are positive symbiotic relationships such as mutualism where both organisms 83 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: benefit and commence ali is um where one benefits but 84 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: the other is neither harmed nor hindered in any way. 85 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of a lopsided relationship, but the 86 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: one of the animals just like it's totally indifferent. It 87 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: doesn't matter at all. I actually haven't seen what's that? 88 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: What's the movie? It's called Venom? Venom? Yeah, how would 89 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: you describe Tom Hardy and the goose suits relationship. It's parasitic, 90 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: But it's confusing because I think it combines a few 91 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: of those things where it's there is a there's a 92 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:51,239 Speaker 1: mutual benefit also, but there's also there's a parasitic nature. 93 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: But I think once it's I think, honestly, like if 94 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: if I'm being totally candid and respect to the creator's venom, 95 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: I think, once the it's it's just I'm just parasitic. 96 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: But then once it it gets on a certain host 97 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: and it becomes cool that it's it's not a danger 98 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: anymore in the sense of for the sake of drama. 99 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: The parasitic part only comes back if it's necessary. Otherwise 100 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: it's a mutual, beneficial sort of thing where they're they're 101 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: helping each other. I guess yeah, so um yeah, yeah, 102 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: so it's combining. It's kind of like it's it's rolling 103 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: through all the levels of friendship, yeah, where it starts 104 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: off as a sort of parasite and then turns into 105 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: mutualism as all healthy relationships. I was gonna say, just 106 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: like our friendship, where I started off where I was 107 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: very you described me as very parasitic, but then eventually 108 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: came around to finding it to be mutual, and then 109 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: now have evolved in to complete indifference. Just exactly at 110 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: first sucking all of my blood. Then I was like, hey, 111 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: I had too much blood anyways, too much blood floating around. 112 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: I'm glad he got rid of some of it. And 113 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: then now it's just like I don't care whether or 114 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: not my blood is gone. Just take the blood. It 115 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: doesn't matter anymore. Nothing matters. It's who cares well. So 116 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: our first group of animals we're going to talk about 117 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: are on the Galapagos Islands, which is home to really 118 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: incredible creatures that have evolved in very difficult evolutionary niches. 119 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: Of course, it's the famous place that Darwin went and 120 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: farted around in and wrote his silly books about. But 121 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: it really is incredible not just to see like the 122 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: cool animals, but also to see how their relationships are 123 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: with each other. And I think the best demonstration of 124 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: this is the seaside friendships along the coast of the 125 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: Galapagos Islands. And let's start with the marine iguana, because 126 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: the marinea iguana is very interesting animal who has a 127 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: bunch of friends. So the marine iguana is it looks 128 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: very dragon like. And this is the really mean description 129 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: that Charles Darwin had for marine iguanas that I think 130 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: is kind of unfair. So he said, quote, the black 131 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: lava rocks on the beach are frequented by large two 132 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: to three foot or point six to point nine most 133 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: disgusting and clumsy lizards. They are as black as the 134 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: porous rocks over which they crawl and seek their prey 135 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: from the sea. Somebody calls them imps of darkness. They 136 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: assuredly will become the land they inhabit. Did he say 137 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: somebody called them that? Like he heard that? Yeah, real 138 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: weasel words. Darwin just like insult them to their face, 139 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: not be like, oh, somebody said you're an imp of darkness. 140 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: I heard out there that they're calling him. It's not me, 141 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: it's it's you know. That's just what I hear. This 142 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: is a that's word on the that's word on these 143 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: the word on the beach, word on the beach, on 144 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: these rocks, is that you guys are called imps. Who 145 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: else was there that was calling him that? Nobody? He's 146 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 1: he doesn't even want to is he's scared of He's 147 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: scared of disparaging these creatures, even in writing, like taking 148 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: a finch and giving it a swirly gonn to cancel, Darwin. 149 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: He's just angry and just calling animals ugly. That's not scientific. 150 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: You're like, oh, this one's really dark and ugly. Look 151 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: at that piece of ship. It's an imp of darkness. 152 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: And the poor little Maria Bile just like I know, 153 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: he's just minding his own business, trying to regulate pal. 154 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get some thermal regulation. Didn't ask 155 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: for your opinion. You're interrupting some really good therma regulation 156 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: just to spew your hatred, Darwin. And to be fair, 157 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: what's sad is that Darwin missed out on an opportunity 158 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: because this, I want to clearly has a better relationship 159 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 1: with a rock that it does with a human, and 160 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: being that visited the island, they could have could have 161 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: had a great time with the partying with the iguanas. 162 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: I mean seriously, like, if Darwin hadn't been so judging, 163 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: probably would have had a great time with these iguanas 164 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: because they are really cool, cool reptiles. So they are 165 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: indeed ashy, black, are kind of chunky, they have sort 166 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: of a snub face, um, they have spines running along 167 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: their backs, they have long, thick tails, and they're about 168 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: the size of a small to medium sized chihuahua. And 169 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: they do like to hang out on the lava rocks 170 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: on the coast of the Guapagos Islands because they are 171 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: cold blooded, which doesn't mean that their blood is always cold. 172 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: It just means that they are ectothermic, meaning that they 173 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: have to warm themselves up by sitting in the sun 174 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: and cool themselves off by being in the shade or 175 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: in the water. And so when they aren't hanging out 176 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: on the rocks heating up, they're actually often diving into 177 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: the water because They are excellent swimmers, and their diet 178 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: is made up mostly of algae, so they're very they're 179 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: just little vegetarians. They nibble off of rocks this algae, 180 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: or they dive underwater and swim very gracefully, like some 181 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: kind of sea dragon. And one of the consequences of 182 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: them eating algae is that they take in so much 183 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: salty water with their diet they have to expel some 184 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: of the excess, which they do with these like salty 185 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: wet sneezes. So yeah, just like a seed dragon, except 186 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: they snort out salt water instead of fire of fire. 187 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 1: It's just this horrible right sling. It's not saltwater everywhere mucus. 188 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: That's projection as human. Sorry, that was that was That 189 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: was very darwinianen of me to just so judgment salt. 190 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: Now it's really just like a spray of salt water. Yeah, 191 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: that's gotta be grosser, it's gotta be awesome at the 192 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: same time. Uh. I don't know why, just because it's 193 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: like an experience. I don't know why not. I don't 194 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: know why. I think I sneezed dragons a little shot 195 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: of like vizzy, you know, clear out your yes, Yeah, 196 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: what's you're problem, Like, you haven't had that names of 197 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: spray that helps clear the sciences. Just shove one of 198 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: these marine iguanas under your nose and there you go. 199 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: Go find an iguana. Find it clear you right up. 200 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: Don't actually do that because they're actually they'reguas. They're not dangerous. 201 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: We're dangerous to the iguanas. We can actually like they 202 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: are they lit humans pick them up. They just because 203 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 1: I just don't think they understand how much danger of 204 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: human poses. So they're pretty chill, especially when they're lethargic 205 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: and they haven't warmed up on the rocks yet. They 206 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: get very sleepy. So when you pick one up, it's 207 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: just kind of like chills out. But you shouldn't do that. 208 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, they could potentially bite you, but more importantly, 209 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 1: you carry pathogens that could hurt the iguana. So don't 210 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: do it. Leave those iguanas alone. As we've learned this year, 211 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,719 Speaker 1: the one thing Americans care about the most is not 212 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: hurting each other with I mean, it's funny because like 213 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: on the Galapagos Islands, they tell people to stay like 214 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: six ft away from the iguanas. So already we've tried 215 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 1: to get people to social distance from the vulnerable. So right, 216 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: and so the iguanas does standard chance. But we still 217 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: love them. They're great, Darwin dar No matter how much 218 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: should Darwin talks about these, they're fantastic, right, And a 219 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: lot of animals do love the iguanas, so they actually 220 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: have um. They do have a few predators, so they 221 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: will be kind of snippy when disturbed to protect themselves, 222 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: but otherwise they're pretty chill, and they will be extremely 223 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: permissive of little visitors who come to them. So among 224 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 1: their friends there are Darwin's finches and sally lightfoot crabs 225 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: who come over to the iguanas and pick off mites 226 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: and ticks and dead skin and basically give them free 227 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: skincare in return for just being able to eat whatever 228 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: they find. So it's not in common to see crab 229 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: crawling all over an iguana picking at it, and the 230 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: iguana is perfectly happy to let this happen because this 231 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: is a case of mutualism. The iguana gets free skincare, 232 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: gets its parasites taken off of it, and the crab 233 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: gets a tasty meal of skin junk. Yeah it's uh 234 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: and and and to be h to paint a picture 235 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: of this. It looks horrifying, and I would assume, as 236 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: a human that that I would need to intervene if 237 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: I saw something like this, because it looks like an 238 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: iguana is being eaten by a swarm of crabs, and 239 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: I would be like, no, don't, I gotta save us 240 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: iguana and broom he. I guess as much as a 241 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: lizard can show happiness on there with their limited facial expression, 242 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: I would say it's more of a contentment, like he 243 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: looks he doesn't. He doesn't seem alarmed. It doesn't seem 244 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: alarmed that he's covered in crabs. However, if I woke 245 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: up covered in crabs this way, this would be terrifying. 246 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: But so yeah, I guess. I guess the lesson to 247 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: take away is let creatures eat things off your skin 248 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: if you want, exactly. That's the lesson of the day. 249 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: If you see if you see an iguana covered in crabs, 250 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: don't freak out and bring a broom and start sweeping 251 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: them off because they're doing their own thing. You gotta 252 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: let let animals do their own right exactly. And another 253 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: thing you should not be alarmed if you see is 254 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: an iguana wearing a little lizard as a hat. So 255 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: there are these little tiny lizards called lava lizards that 256 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: are just like a few inches a few centimeters big, 257 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: so they are literally like smaller than the head of 258 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: one of these iguanas. But they will climb up on 259 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: the iguana for a better vantage point when hunting flies. 260 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: And this doesn't necessarily help out the iguana because I 261 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: don't think flies are able to really pestor the the 262 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: iguana have such thick skin that the flies can't really 263 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: bite them, it can't really get bother them. But the 264 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: lava lizards don't bother them either, so they just ignore 265 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: the little lava lizards let them crawl all over and 266 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: catch flies from this great vantage point. And it's it's 267 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: very cute to see because it's this tiny lizard. It's adorable. 268 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: It's a lizard hat. And it's funny because the lizards, 269 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: like I have the high ground, but it's at the 270 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: top of the head of another animal, which is a 271 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: little bit confusing to me. I think it would find 272 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: there's probably higher things to get on top of, but 273 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: they've just decided that unless it's alive, they're not gonna Technically, though, 274 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: there is a taller perch that they do use, which 275 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: is the sea lion who welcomes the little lava lizards 276 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: because the lava lizards eat up these flies, and the 277 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: sea lions are actually pestered by these flies. Seem much 278 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: more bothered by them than the iguanas do, probably because 279 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: they you know, they get in their eyes and and 280 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,479 Speaker 1: they kind of like bother them. They get they can 281 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 1: get on their fur and it's annoying. So the lava 282 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: lizards will just crawl over these sea lions and jump. 283 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: They literally leap in the air and snap the flies 284 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: right out of the air. As the sea lions seems 285 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: very content to have this happen because it's a personal 286 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: fly swatter going around getting rid of all the flies. 287 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: I'd be stoked if I could have a setup like that, 288 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: I know, right, just your personal fly hunter going around. Yeah, 289 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: I love that. Put them on your put them in 290 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: your ear like a like a flower or a bluetooth 291 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: little headset, and you get a little lizard there and 292 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: you're like, hey, buddy, right, anybody just hang out right here, 293 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: don't even worry about it. And then if you see 294 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: a fly, just get that thing exactly. And the sea 295 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 1: lions and the marine iguanas also co exist peacefully, so 296 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: they don't really help each other, but they don't really 297 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: bother each other either, And the sea lions even allow 298 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: the marine iguanas to kind of crawl on top of 299 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: them because you know, there it just doesn't they don't 300 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: really compete, they don't have many conflicts, so you have, 301 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: um uh, you know that. This just very interestingly how 302 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: you can see all sorts of different relationships between animals 303 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: living on this shoreline. Where you have mutualism where the 304 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: sea lions like the little lizards snap up flies around them. 305 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: You have commence alism where the lava lizards snap up 306 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: flies around the marine iguanas even though the marina iguanas 307 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: don't really need the help. And you have mutualism of 308 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: the crabs eating the skin and parasites off of the 309 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: marina iguanas. It's just it's really cool. It's like, you know, 310 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: this big old beach party of all these animals. Gonna say, 311 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: there's a whole shoreline culture that's outstanding because it's just 312 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: creatures crawling all over each other, freely, using each other 313 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: as mountains they watch whatever. It's basically it's bay watch 314 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: with lizards. Don dun dun dun dunt John. And by 315 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: the way, we edit that out of the show because 316 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: that we can pitch that right right, I'm just imagining 317 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: a lizard running across the beach and slow motion. Definitely 318 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: not imagining a lizard with boobs. That's not happening. So 319 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: don't god lizard and a mikini. Don't think about a 320 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: lizard in a bikini, do you think about it? Think 321 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: about a lizard covered in crabs and how that is okay? 322 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: And it's beautiful. Actually it's horrible looking. It's a beautiful 323 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:10,239 Speaker 1: it's friend. It looks like monsters eating each other. But 324 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: we should we should think of it as a beautiful thing. 325 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: I blame Darwin for this feeling that I have this 326 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: this bias that I have against the lizards, and and 327 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: you know, I feel like this this set off a 328 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: chain reaction because he comes back, he writes his book. 329 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:26,959 Speaker 1: By the way, you can find all his writing. Darwin 330 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 1: did about the shoreline of uh can you edit in? 331 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: That sounded like I know what I was talking about 332 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: here in the O the Virgin Islands speak the Cayman 333 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: Islands or whatever. Lava Town, USA, Lava Town. It's actually 334 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: just called lava Town. Yeah. When he's Darwin write about 335 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: his lizard adventures and all this ship talking. You can 336 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: read about that in his book Lizards are bullsh by Darwin, 337 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: and it's just a lizard with the middle finger pointing 338 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: at it on the cover. You can't miss it. Yeah, 339 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: but I think that led directly to Godzilla and a 340 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: stigma to lizards. I have read that the lizards are Bullshit. 341 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: It's actually kind of a required reading and most evolutionary 342 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: biology courses it's considered the seminal text on evolutionary biology. 343 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I am familiar with with that famous work. 344 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: Thank you. I wasn't questioning it. But that's okay, you 345 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: can go ahead and just just go ahead and brag 346 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: about that. And then his his sequel to lizards are 347 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: Lizards are Bullshit? Two? Oh, it turns out we all 348 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: are lizards. We all came from lizards. Right. It's like, sorry, 349 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: it's a redaction mostly, but it's it's fine, what do 350 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: we know? Lizards are bullshit? There's no way we're related 351 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: to them. Part two? Whoops, we are sorry, but that 352 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: turns out by Darwin, and that's why, you know, That's 353 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: an important thing about science. It's constant evolution of theories. 354 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: Gross I'm editing. People are wrong a lot, No, no, 355 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: leave it in it all stays in the Galapagos Islands 356 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: are not always such a friendly place, especially for babies. 357 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: As soon as marine iguanas hatched from their eggs, they 358 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: are immediately cast into the most dangerous peril of their lives, 359 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: running from their hatchery towards the coast to escape the 360 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: jaws of the swift, merciless Galapagos race or snakes who 361 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 1: love to pick off hatchling iguanas. The iguana sprint as 362 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: soon as they hatch, trying desperately to outrun and dodge 363 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: the many snakes who congregate to feast upon them. It's 364 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 1: amazing that these poor little iguanas grow up to have 365 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: such a mellow disposition. When we return, we're going to 366 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: visit the reigning champion of chillness, the most bodacious buddies 367 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: of the animal kingdom, the cappy baras. Who's the biggest 368 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: rodent of them all? Is it the rat? Not by 369 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: a long shot? Is it a spiny porcupine? Close but 370 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: not yet. How about a beaver who can topple trees 371 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: and capnee. Nope, the biggest rodent in the world is 372 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: the capa bara and it is one of the most 373 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: laxed animals in the world. Now, as I've been saying this, 374 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,719 Speaker 1: Randall has been holding a dinosaur in the camera and 375 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: making it talk, which I feel like I have to 376 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: um just sort of inhabit the space, the mental space 377 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: of the capybara to be able to ignore the shenanigans 378 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: going on with the dinosaur. So thanks for the dinosaur interlude. 379 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: But now we are going to talk about the capybara, 380 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: which is the largest rodent in the world that lives 381 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: in South America near bodies of water in Savannah's and forests. 382 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: And it is a big old guinea pig and and 383 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: most famously the pet of the Tick from the animated 384 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: series The Tick where he thought he found a dog 385 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: that could talk, but he was hallucinating and it turned 386 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: out he stole a capybara from the jungle and it 387 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: was in very terrible shape. Yes, yes, I I too 388 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: remember that episode of the nineties famous popular TV animated 389 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: series The Tick. Yeah, but now they are actually kind 390 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: of the size of a dog, like imagine a guinea 391 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: pig just sized up to be bigger than a golden retriever. 392 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: It weighs about seventy two hundred and forty pounds, so 393 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 1: that's thirty two to sixty four and they grow to 394 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: be almost five ft long one point five meters and 395 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: two ft high point six meters, so g D huge 396 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: is what terms are chunk masters, they're they're they're just big. 397 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: They're big, they're chunky, and they're funky and so yeah, 398 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: they are like guinea pigs in a lot of different 399 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: ways to other than just their appearances. They are very 400 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: chill social animals. They are living groups from about ten 401 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: to up to a hundred, and they um like guinea 402 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: pigs and rabbits and other rodents. Uh, they eat their 403 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: own feces or it's actually a special type of poop 404 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: that they eat called the Sika trope that has undigested 405 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: fermented sugars in it, which sounds great. I mean, yeah, 406 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: if it's sugar even then why not? Yeah, I mean 407 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 1: you know what I say, If it's sugary, why if 408 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: it's sugary and it comes out of your butt, sure 409 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: why not? Yeah? Yeah great? Yeah, So you know, they 410 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: eat their sugary duties, so they are actually semi aquatic 411 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: as well. They are extremely good swimmers with webbed feet, 412 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: and they can take naps in the water to stay cool, 413 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 1: so they just float in the water with their snouts 414 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: resting against the shore and just sleep. They're like the 415 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: surfer dudes of the animal Kingdom, except they mostly lived 416 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: near freshwater sources. But yeah, they're just like very the 417 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: very definition of chill. Like you look up chill, you 418 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: just see a capybara sitting eyes closed, chilled, chilled out. 419 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: A capabara capabara always looks like you just smoked and 420 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: j and he's like, what's up, man's let's go on. 421 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: What do you want to do? Yeah? You want you 422 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 1: want to eat some of my sugary poop I just had. 423 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: I just I just dropped some for you. And you're like, 424 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: you know, you don't want to be rude, but you 425 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: gotta be like, I'm not gonna do that, but thank you, No, 426 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: d it's fine, pooped enough for both of us, head 427 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: in and out. Now that's and there's like, that's okay, 428 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: I already. Me me poop is too poop, Yeah, you 429 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: know me me dukie is sued dukie as they say, 430 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: as they say, as the Cathy Barra says. So, yeah, 431 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: they are very calm animals, and they have a lot 432 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: of cool bird friends. Who doesn't like to have coolbird friends? 433 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: So many cool birds and they are all friends, coolbird friends, 434 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: cool bird friends. Coming this Saturday on Saturday mornings on 435 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: Fox Fox Kids, which doesn't exist anymore, because that's a 436 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: hundred year old reference. Yeah, coming a bird friends. So 437 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: black vultures, Jukana's cowbirds and many other birds perch on 438 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: capa baras and clean ticks and other parasites off their skin. 439 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: So again a bit a bit like the light footed 440 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: crabs cleaning off ticks and junk off of the iguana. 441 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: These birds will sit on the capa bara and clean 442 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: ticks and stuff off of them. Let me also just 443 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: point out, by the way this objectively, if you saw 444 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 1: a capa bara laying down on land and the vulture 445 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: was on top of it pecking at it, right, you 446 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: would not assume that was a positive symbiotic relationship. It 447 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: would look like you just ran into the corpse of 448 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: a capa bara being eaten right, just viciously, mercilessly devoured 449 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: by a vulture, and you'd be like, oh my god. 450 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: And then it's like and then someone would, hopefully someone 451 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: would explain to you, perhaps the spirit of Darwin would 452 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: come to you and say, do not be afraid. It 453 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:08,959 Speaker 1: is a chet friendship therein what Darwin would what Darwin 454 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: would say would be God, damn, that is an ugly dog. Yeah, 455 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: he'd be like, look at these ugly animals. That's stupid 456 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: giant pig am I right, and try to ghost hie 457 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: five you and you'd be like, get out of here. 458 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: It looks like hell. Earth is hell. That's what That's 459 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: what Darwin said. And Darwin's my favorite quotes. I'm just 460 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: saying Earth is hell. And then right before he died 461 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: the Origin of Species, a book of total ugoes. Yeah, 462 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: Darwin was a mean It was a mean, mean girl. 463 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: So the capa bara will even allow birds to write 464 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: on them like they are the bird's noble steed. And 465 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: birds not only clean parasites off the capa bara, which 466 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: is a mutualistic relationship, they also will perch on them 467 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: as a cappa bara trots around and wait for insects 468 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: to get stirred up from the grass that the cava 469 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: barra is striding in and then they will go off 470 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: and snap up the insects. So basically they are like 471 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: hunting on capa bara back and the cappa bar is 472 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: happy enough to let them do it. It doesn't really 473 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: get anything out of that specific relationship, but it's you know, 474 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: they're just very chill, they're all right with it. Yeah, 475 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: birds kind of trade them like horses. I would say 476 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: this was the parasitic exploitation if if I don't know 477 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: if that's part of the thing, but I would I 478 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: would add that on there, onto the one of those levels, 479 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: because they're not parasitic exploitation. Yeah, because this is just 480 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: a bird going like, oh look an animal I can 481 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: hang out on, and if it rides around then I 482 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,719 Speaker 1: don't have to fly or walk or anything. That's cool. Well, 483 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: but if it doesn't negatively affect the capa bara, which 484 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't, then it's just commence ali is um. Because 485 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: the bird benefits in the capa bar is like whatever, 486 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: it's fine, it's cool. That's true because it has course 487 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: for it's got that. It's got like the layers of fur, right, 488 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: because it's because since since it goes in the water, 489 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: it's got that what it's called the water hair for 490 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: and they don't really you know, bird feet don't really 491 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: bother them that much. I don't think the bird feet 492 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: are really bothering them too much. I mean, I mean, 493 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: it's it's like you could pick it all apart and say, 494 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: like this bird is kind of an asshole, right, like 495 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: if it picks too hard at it, like that bird 496 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: specifically maybe in a hole, but yeah, in general, like 497 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: the relationship with the birds, like it either helps the 498 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: cap of barrow because the bird is cleaning their fur, 499 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: or it just it's fine. It's like, you know, it's 500 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: got a bird on its back. Now, who's going to complain? 501 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: That looks badass. One thing I'm really resentful for when 502 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: I see nature and I see how far we've disconnected 503 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: ourselves from animals, because I really I love animals and 504 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to brag, but I eat plant based. 505 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: I don't need any I don't need animals love it. 506 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: Uh uh they're the best. And the thing that bums 507 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: me out is how in nature animals just land on 508 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: each other and they're super cool. And I wish as 509 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: humans we had evolved to just be super chill with 510 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: animals and landing all over us where we like to 511 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: land on us, like the most Quito, the noblest that's 512 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: a little different, Yeah, the dynamics a little different. And 513 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: then there's other animals that that that try to grab 514 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: us and it's horrific, like the like the condor which 515 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: tries to just grab a human and just lifted off 516 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: the ground to go. Do you think this happens, Oh, 517 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,239 Speaker 1: I've heard all of it. It happened. I like how 518 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: you just casually drop this, like you know, like how 519 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: condors go and grab you. You know how that happens 520 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, yeah, you know, you know that's 521 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: what they're doing out there. But this pro bird behavior 522 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: with Cappa barros means that in captivity they lit ducks 523 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: just walk all over them. And I provided a video 524 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: which I will include in the show notes that shows 525 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: ducks just trouncing all over this poor capa bara who 526 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: doesn't seem to mind they are eating. I think they 527 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: are eating like parasites off of the capa bara, So 528 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: I think it's getting some benefit. But it does look 529 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: like it's a gang of ducks just bullying this capa barbing. 530 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: What are you gonna do about it? I'm sitting on 531 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: it I'm sitting on you. What are you gonna do 532 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: about it? Nature? So far, aren't you? You just come 533 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: over here, lazy boy, let me sit on you now. 534 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: But the ducks, the ducks are actually helping him by 535 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: cleaning his fur. Yeah, I see, that's so they're they're cool. 536 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: And the capavar is cool with everything, so it doesn't matter. 537 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: He's like old school chill. He just doesn't he doesn't 538 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: care about anything. The baby capa bears, by the way, 539 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: if you see one, we'll just melt your heart. That's 540 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: that should be a good test of like whether or 541 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: not someone is capable of empathy or some sort of like, right, 542 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: the new psychopath test baby capybara. And if it doesn't, 543 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: if they don't go, oh my god, oh that's the 544 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: cutest thing I've ever seen. Oh, I don't even know 545 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: what to do. Then there it's like, you know, it's 546 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: like blade runner. Then you just got to shoot them 547 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: whatever they right, right, I forgot you forgot holp. You know. 548 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: They just you know, if you don't cry when you 549 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 1: see a capabara, you have no soul. That's what science says. 550 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: That's the takeaway. Yeah, well, so I want to talk 551 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: about another instance of an animal being surprisingly chill when 552 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: another animal just kind of like sits on it goes 553 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: all around. And have you ever heard of this thing 554 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: where like it's actually a myth of birds sitting inside 555 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 1: of crocodile mouths and picking cleaning their teeth. The idea 556 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: is that these Egyptian plovers will sit inside a nile 557 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: crocodile's mouth and clean meat from their teeth without getting 558 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: eaten by the crocodile. Like their nature's little dentist. I 559 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: guess it's like one of those factoids that gets spread around. Yeah, 560 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 1: it's like the ostrich with the head and the sand 561 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: kind of right, right, Like there's just not that the 562 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: evidence of it is paper thin. So it's just something 563 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: that like probably some like old dude noted in some diary, 564 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: like yeah it was it was all a nile crocodile 565 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,720 Speaker 1: and it had buds in its mouth. Who would have fought? 566 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: And we just take that as fat But he's really 567 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: just tripping balls on opium or something. Yeah. Right, it 568 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: was about on my journey is and I I began 569 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 1: to see a bird and I'm sure it was some 570 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: sort of dentist bird. I mean, that's that much, we 571 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: can surmise confidently. Then in the sun turned into a 572 00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 1: baby's head. But there is an actual, real instance of 573 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: something like this happening that to me is even more impressive. 574 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: And you have to go under the sea, you know, 575 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: like the screen wipe wher it goes all like and 576 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: there's like bubbles and so it looks like you're going underwater. 577 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: Imagine that happening like water. Yeah, that's how it sounds. 578 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: Wooboy booby, that's really good. Fully work. That's very good, 579 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: fully work. Thank you. That's so buddy. But so under 580 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: the water, there are these cute little fish called cleaner rass, 581 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,280 Speaker 1: and they like to dart in and out of the toothy, 582 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: demonic smile of large moray eels that could easily just 583 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: snap the little fish right up like it's nothing and 584 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: just slurp it up like it. Have you seen more 585 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: a eel before, just like hanging around like in person 586 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: or uh yeah, like when you get picked up and 587 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 1: they drafted me into the water. Yeah, when I fight 588 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 1: it off and I landed into the shore, Yeah, then 589 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,280 Speaker 1: I like I'm like, oh, the eels carried me to safety. 590 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, that's of course, of course. I mean, we've 591 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: talked about this before. I don't know how many times 592 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: I have to tell you about it. Yeah. No, they're 593 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: flotsam and jetsam. In Little Mermaid they're mores. That's a more. 594 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: And so the Little Mermaid the flotsam and jetsam, they're 595 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,720 Speaker 1: the eel. They're the eel things that are Ursula's pets, 596 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: the companions. Oh I forgot that part? How could you forget? 597 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: The Ursula and those eels were the whole movie? To me, 598 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: I could give less of a Cara Aeriel and her 599 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: whole like teenage drama, Like there's a cute bool, I'm 600 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna abandon my tire ecosystem just for this 601 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: cute boy. But no, like where it's at is octopus, 602 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 1: Ursula and her cool more friends, she's I don't remember. 603 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 1: The bird combing is feathers with a fork, And that 604 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,320 Speaker 1: was my big takeaway from the movie was that birds 605 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: don't know a bit about combing the hair. Well, they 606 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,720 Speaker 1: do know about like grooming their hair, just not with forks. 607 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not with forks. Yeah, you can't. You 608 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 1: can't learn everything you need to know about being a 609 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: human through birds, especially through seagulls. You cannot trust seagulls. 610 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: I think that is the other lesson. Yeah, you can't 611 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: trust seagulls. You may think this is unrelated to what 612 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: we're talking about if you're listening to this, but and 613 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 1: it is not, because it comes back full circle. So 614 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: don't trust seagulls. So don't never trust back to the eel, 615 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:52,800 Speaker 1: because always trust an always always, because they're they're honest 616 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: and they don't eat the little fish that go in 617 00:38:55,239 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 1: their mouth. Right. Well, what happens is the more is 618 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: actually a client of the cleaner rass who goes around 619 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: the more's mouth and its lips and its head and 620 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 1: picks off little parasites and cleans their mouths. So it 621 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,800 Speaker 1: is acting as like a little fish dentist and dermatologists 622 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: all rolled into one cute little package. And these cleaner rests, 623 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,800 Speaker 1: they're little fish. They have this blue streak or another 624 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 1: bright colored streak along their side that actually signals to 625 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 1: fish that these are the cleaner rast So it's like 626 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: this dark band on their side, and then it's it's 627 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: branding essentially that fish learn that if you live, these 628 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: little cleaner wrasts clean you up, then you're you will 629 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 1: get a nice bit of free skincare. It's not just 630 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: more a eels. They will offer free parasite removal for 631 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 1: mini fish and they actually have little cleaning stations where 632 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: fish literally line up like they're at a car wash. 633 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,320 Speaker 1: So the one accurate thing in that terrible movie what 634 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,879 Speaker 1: was it, like a shark tail is sort of trying 635 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,360 Speaker 1: to ride on the coattails of finding Nemo. Nobody remembers 636 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: had an eye right right, but they didn't. I don't know. 637 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: All I remember is the fish like making sex faces. 638 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 1: And then also like they had a fish car wash, 639 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: and that is actually accurate. So yeah, and so like 640 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: you'll have fishes lining up to get serviced by these 641 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 1: cleaner rass and get get fully detailed, and the cleaner 642 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: rass get to eat parasites from the fish. And we've 643 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,879 Speaker 1: actually talked about this before on the show, how there's 644 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 1: this whole really interesting kind of economy of fish and 645 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: cleaner rass where the cleaner rass, if they start to 646 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,359 Speaker 1: nibble at the fishes flesh itself, where like at their 647 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,400 Speaker 1: stress coat, the fish will boycott the cleaner rass. And 648 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 1: then if the fish like eat a cleaner rass instead, 649 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: of just patiently allowing the pickoff parasites, the cleaner rass 650 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 1: will ban them from their services and a northm so 651 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,799 Speaker 1: other cleaner raps will be like, no, you ate my friend, 652 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 1: I'm not your you know, no no shoes, no shirt, 653 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: no eating my friends. Please, you ate with cleaners. So 654 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: it's like if you rob a bank and you get 655 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: that exploding ink on you version of that he except 656 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,320 Speaker 1: it's like you we all saw you eat Fred. You 657 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,320 Speaker 1: can't come back. You can't come back to bow Jangles. 658 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: You ate, one of our waiters. Speak from experience, but 659 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: just something to be clear about because when these little 660 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,320 Speaker 1: fish are called cleaner rass and it keeps sounding like 661 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:44,279 Speaker 1: cleaner ass and it's cleaner rass w R A S 662 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 1: S E, and it could sound like either cleaner rats, 663 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,800 Speaker 1: which you don't want to get confused. You want people 664 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 1: to be confused with rats and fish. It happens all 665 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: the time, and that's that's terrible. And then cleaner ass 666 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,360 Speaker 1: just sounds like that's not we should all strive for 667 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 1: to be honest. But right, but but but I mean 668 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,800 Speaker 1: that on its own time and its own podcast. Although 669 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,399 Speaker 1: with the cleaner wraths you could get a cleaner ass 670 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,880 Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. Yeah, so if anyone, if we 671 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: can mark this down, is host creature, your future host 672 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:26,839 Speaker 1: Katie Golden Uh endorsing that you put fish into your butts. Yeah. Now, 673 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: let's let the lawyers come at me. I don't care. 674 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,720 Speaker 1: So I feel like the trust between the cleaner wraths 675 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 1: and the more a eel is more impressive than the 676 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:46,839 Speaker 1: alleged relationship between birds and nile crocodiles, because al right, first, 677 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: I gotta put this in perspective, because more eels, there 678 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: are many different species and more eels, but the big 679 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: ones get huge. So the largest more A, the giant 680 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 1: more which lives in the Indo Pacific Ocean in coral reefs, 681 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,240 Speaker 1: can grow to be nine ft long or three meters 682 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: and sixty six pounds or thirty whereas cleaner wrath tend 683 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,800 Speaker 1: to be around four inches or ten centimeters long, so 684 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 1: teeny tiny compared to the more a and more eels. 685 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,839 Speaker 1: When you're a little fish faced with this more eel, 686 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 1: they are have a more terrifying set of jaws than 687 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,800 Speaker 1: a crocodile because they actually have two sets of jaws. 688 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 1: The teeth that you see as they open their mouths, 689 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 1: but inside their mouth, near their throat, they have a 690 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 1: second set of jaws, a smaller set of jaws called 691 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 1: fairyngeal jaws, which looks like the little alien that comes 692 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 1: out of the alien mouth and alien. Yeah, I was 693 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: just gonna say, it's like the alien mouth. It's like, yeah, 694 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: if you imagine, you think you're going to escape the 695 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,479 Speaker 1: jaws of a more a eel and then it's like, oh, sorry, 696 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: there's a second mouth inside. Go freak yourself. You're still 697 00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: getting eaten exactly if you're a little turtle to his 698 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,439 Speaker 1: mind in your own business over there, Right, that's good. 699 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,880 Speaker 1: It's good to like he's holding up a blue plastic turtle, 700 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 1: And it's always good to like incorporate prop comedy in 701 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 1: an audio medium. But I like to do I like 702 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 1: to do a lot of visual aids and right, yeah, yeah, 703 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: there are visual learners and they are not listening to 704 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:29,400 Speaker 1: this podcast. But imagine if we were scuba diving, all right, 705 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 1: imagining it. Ah, the water is so cold burr. Yeah, right, 706 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,880 Speaker 1: there we go where I hope everyone I forgot to 707 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 1: do the roder water we're scuba diving. I'm ignoring the 708 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 1: fact that I'm terrified because I'm basically hydrophobic. Normals water 709 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: roader water. And then we both do bain impressions to 710 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 1: each other the entire time. But most importantly, I point 711 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,720 Speaker 1: out this horrific giant eel that I don't know about 712 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,000 Speaker 1: it because and I go, oh my god, what's that? 713 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:12,759 Speaker 1: And you go, that's a more clap clap clap clap, night, 714 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 1: good night, good night. That was a long that was 715 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: a long walk or that, and it's totally worth it. 716 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,920 Speaker 1: I regret nothing. Friendships are a wonderful thing in the 717 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: animal kingdom, but sometimes there's a little stinker trying to 718 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 1: take advantage of mutual friendliness. Giant mores may not seem 719 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 1: to risk much when allowing a tiny cleaner rasp into 720 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,360 Speaker 1: their mouths, but the cleaner rass could nip at the 721 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 1: morays flesh instead of at parasites. The rass knows that 722 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,759 Speaker 1: these sorts of actions can get punished and typically stick 723 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,640 Speaker 1: to gentle cleaning. However, there are other species of fish 724 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,360 Speaker 1: that can take advantage of this trust, such as the 725 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,760 Speaker 1: tiny and terrible saber tooth blinny fish. This little deviant 726 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,800 Speaker 1: impersonates the cleaner rass and tricks the more into trusting 727 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 1: it long enough to get a good bite out of 728 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,279 Speaker 1: the moray before quickly darting away from its shocked mark 729 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 1: when a saber tooth blinny hits your eye like a 730 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,880 Speaker 1: big pizza pie that somewhere Anyways, when we return, we're 731 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,480 Speaker 1: going to talk about some animals who share their meals, 732 00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,840 Speaker 1: or well what used to be their meals. I guess this. 733 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:29,680 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Ants. You may be familiar 734 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 1: with these resourceful little insects making a pest of themselves 735 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,600 Speaker 1: at picnics, are in your own kitchen. They are often 736 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: indomitable conquerors, but sometimes they are little heroes or should 737 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 1: I say anti heroes. You get a randal anti anti 738 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:50,799 Speaker 1: heroes because they're talking about ants anti anti heroes. Yeah, 739 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,600 Speaker 1: I'm waiting for the laugh. Ye, I'm waiting for the 740 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 1: last year. Where is still? Is there a delay? Is 741 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 1: there a delay? Didn't hear me laugh? I think there's 742 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,960 Speaker 1: of the lay. There must be some sort of interference. 743 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,239 Speaker 1: My microphone is I'm picking up the cut off when 744 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,960 Speaker 1: you were like busting a gut. Yeah, it clipped, it clipped. 745 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,320 Speaker 1: Is too loud? The laughing was so loud it clipped 746 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:20,120 Speaker 1: the laughter we're going to talk about meat ants. Bump 747 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,400 Speaker 1: bump umb. I'd like a good threatening name for an ant, 748 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,920 Speaker 1: meat ants, meat ants. I like the idea that these 749 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,960 Speaker 1: were named meat ants because we used we farm them 750 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:37,759 Speaker 1: for meat. Like these are some media and succulent ants. Yeah, 751 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,840 Speaker 1: I know it's a weird name, and it's it's for 752 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,440 Speaker 1: the worst reason. Little ants on a skewer, just like 753 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,160 Speaker 1: like an ant kebob. These are the media stunts I've 754 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:55,720 Speaker 1: ever had. No. Meat ants are relatively normal looking ants 755 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,000 Speaker 1: found only in Australia, so you know, some weird stuff's 756 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,680 Speaker 1: about to go down. So they of course, of course 757 00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:07,840 Speaker 1: they're Australian. I knew it. They're so horrific. So meat 758 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: ants do eat meat, typically from carcasses, but they do 759 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:17,200 Speaker 1: attack and successfully defeat large prey such as the cane toad. 760 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 1: And the cane toad, as we've discussed before, is a 761 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:25,760 Speaker 1: horrible toxic, invasive toad who is devastating the local fauna 762 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,239 Speaker 1: of Australia. And meat ants are actually immune to the 763 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 1: cane toads toxin and they can attack the toads and 764 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 1: devour them. So they are little Australian heroes defeating the 765 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:42,640 Speaker 1: horrible toads get at their anti heroes, so I think 766 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,279 Speaker 1: there's a delay is that anti heroes get it. And 767 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,640 Speaker 1: they're also helpful to farmers because they clear away animal 768 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:55,239 Speaker 1: carcasses and they can actually skeletonize an animal carcass over 769 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,360 Speaker 1: the course of a few weeks. So that's that's cool. 770 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:04,120 Speaker 1: I think that's pretty cool. I like the words skeletonized. 771 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,000 Speaker 1: That's like that really takes the murder out of it. 772 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,440 Speaker 1: They didn't murder the animal carcass with it. Was the 773 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:17,040 Speaker 1: animal killed or was it just skeletonized. I think in 774 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,880 Speaker 1: the case of really big animals, it's that they don't 775 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,279 Speaker 1: kill the animals. It's that the animal is dead and 776 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 1: the ants come in and helpfully turn it into a 777 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,759 Speaker 1: skeleton and you can hang it up as Halloween decorations 778 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,200 Speaker 1: instead of just having a moldering animal. Here's the thing. 779 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:40,240 Speaker 1: I respect that you know what you're talking about, because 780 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,400 Speaker 1: I don't. But I'm just gonna say I've seen some okay, 781 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,640 Speaker 1: and I've seen I've seen an aunt killer guy. I'm 782 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:51,120 Speaker 1: just saying, is this the same day that you got 783 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,640 Speaker 1: picked up by a condor and got thrown into the ocean. 784 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,000 Speaker 1: You've got a lot going on. One thing we know 785 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:02,359 Speaker 1: about nature is that it's completely unscientific and its total 786 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,680 Speaker 1: mystery and that anything can happen, Like I just have 787 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,520 Speaker 1: to trust you when you say you saw an aunt 788 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,399 Speaker 1: kill a guy. There's no way to confirm exactly. There's 789 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,239 Speaker 1: no way to confirm it, no way to deny it, 790 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,160 Speaker 1: and definitely can't prove a negative. No, never been done, 791 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:21,920 Speaker 1: So it will back to science. Thanks, thank you for 792 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:26,279 Speaker 1: your very inventive anterlode, But back to science. So the 793 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:32,360 Speaker 1: ants actually dabble in farming because they form symbiotic relationships 794 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:37,040 Speaker 1: with tree hopper nymphs, which is actually so nymphs are 795 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,279 Speaker 1: like young forms of insects, so they can go through 796 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,360 Speaker 1: sort of these different metamorphosis and so the nymphs stage 797 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 1: is a like baby stage of the metamorphosis usually after 798 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,280 Speaker 1: like their larval form, So like these baby tree hopper 799 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:57,040 Speaker 1: insects such as the jacid tree hopper. And that's actually 800 00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,480 Speaker 1: what you see in that image which also included in 801 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,600 Speaker 1: the the show notes. It looks like a looks like 802 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,719 Speaker 1: a wingless b that is red and black but with 803 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,320 Speaker 1: no stripes, if that makes sense. But it's actually plant 804 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 1: hoppers and tree hoppers will attach themselves to a branch 805 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,200 Speaker 1: or a stem and shove their proboscis inside of the 806 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,920 Speaker 1: plant and suck out some of the sugary juices flowing 807 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,600 Speaker 1: through the plant and get a nice meal there. But 808 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,360 Speaker 1: sometimes but they suck out so much sugary juices that 809 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,080 Speaker 1: sometimes they can't process all of it, so some of 810 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,120 Speaker 1: it uh comes out of there, but as something called 811 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,960 Speaker 1: honey dew, which is this sugary fluid, and so ants 812 00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,799 Speaker 1: love to eat this like sugar poop. So they will 813 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:51,640 Speaker 1: protect the tree hopper nymphs by acting as shepherds, and 814 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,760 Speaker 1: they actually do this with a number of young insects 815 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,560 Speaker 1: such as caterpillars, which are the larval forms of moths 816 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,080 Speaker 1: and butterflies. At a pillar can also excrete honey dew 817 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:06,680 Speaker 1: as a byproduct of eating leaf material, and the ant 818 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,840 Speaker 1: can also partake of the caterpillar. So they're basically like 819 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:16,879 Speaker 1: shepherd's protecting the tree hoppers and caterpillars and harvesting their 820 00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:21,160 Speaker 1: sugary butt juice. Nothing wrong. That is a really nice 821 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:25,720 Speaker 1: way of describing a human centipede like scenario between ants 822 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:32,000 Speaker 1: and these things just spring sugar and the I literally 823 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:33,719 Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was looking at at this 824 00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:38,040 Speaker 1: reference photo. I'm looking at an image of a creature 825 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,800 Speaker 1: that looks like a rejected like concept dark from a 826 00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:47,200 Speaker 1: rejected David Cronenberg movie. And then it's it's springing something 827 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,239 Speaker 1: sugary and an ant is on its but eating it 828 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,600 Speaker 1: right out of it. But as they're on this branch together, 829 00:52:55,040 --> 00:53:00,680 Speaker 1: so they're they're creating this, this this chain of horrific 830 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,080 Speaker 1: insect interaction. What sort of this is this benefit? Is 831 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:11,000 Speaker 1: parasitic beneficial? No, no, it's not parasitic at all. Parasitic 832 00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,640 Speaker 1: is only when one animal is harmed and the other 833 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,359 Speaker 1: gets something. So this is actually mutualistic. No, I mean, 834 00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,440 Speaker 1: I mean to to me. I mean to me, not 835 00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,600 Speaker 1: to the bugs, because I'm learning something. But it's parasitic, 836 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:32,280 Speaker 1: so it's taking away from I see. Yeah, it's painful, 837 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,279 Speaker 1: but it's hurting me and it's taking away from my 838 00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,800 Speaker 1: my soul. But but then I yeah, but then I 839 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:44,240 Speaker 1: learned something. So in terms of evolutionary biology or feelings 840 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:49,920 Speaker 1: aren't actually valid. But this is a mutualistic relationship because 841 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,239 Speaker 1: both of the insects benefits. So the aunt, you know, 842 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,759 Speaker 1: it gets the crappy end of the deal. But that's 843 00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,480 Speaker 1: what it likes the crab, and then it protects the 844 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:07,840 Speaker 1: tree hoppers and caterpillars. So another beautiful friendship that is 845 00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,920 Speaker 1: based around food is dolphins and birds and how they 846 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:17,960 Speaker 1: come together to screw over fish. So there is this 847 00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:24,160 Speaker 1: fascinating relationship between the Great egrets and Atlantic bottlenose dolphins 848 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,800 Speaker 1: who both inhabit the tidal marshes outside of Savannah, Georgia 849 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:33,680 Speaker 1: in North America. So basically what a tidle marsh is, 850 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,279 Speaker 1: it's a marsh land that is connected to the sea, 851 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,880 Speaker 1: and so as the tide goes out, the marshes like 852 00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,480 Speaker 1: get really shallow, and then the tide comes in and 853 00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,480 Speaker 1: the marshes get really full. Uh, And they're all these 854 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:49,800 Speaker 1: like winding snakelike pathways that the water can take. So 855 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,160 Speaker 1: it's it's really pretty when you look at it, but 856 00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,960 Speaker 1: it's all it's it's all saltwater marsh, and dolphins can 857 00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:01,560 Speaker 1: actually go up these winding paths up the marsh, and 858 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,920 Speaker 1: they will do it during low tide, which seems really risky, 859 00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,560 Speaker 1: like why because it almost seems like when the tide 860 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,399 Speaker 1: gets really low there can be only like a few 861 00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,040 Speaker 1: inches of water in certain places, So it seems like 862 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:18,000 Speaker 1: they would be risking stranding themselves, but they actually have 863 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:22,240 Speaker 1: this really interesting hunting tactic that they do at low tide, 864 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,120 Speaker 1: where it'll be a group of like three to four 865 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:29,920 Speaker 1: dolphins all coming together and then suddenly just all three 866 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,000 Speaker 1: or four of them rush onto the shore like they're 867 00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:37,040 Speaker 1: just trying to like shore themselves all at once, but instead, 868 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,120 Speaker 1: what they're doing is they're forcing fish up onto the 869 00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,799 Speaker 1: shore that they've corralled, and the fish are then stranded, 870 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:48,520 Speaker 1: and the dolphins just lie on their sides snapping up 871 00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,200 Speaker 1: the fish as they fall back into the water. And 872 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,399 Speaker 1: the dolphins haven't completely beached themselves so they can still 873 00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,279 Speaker 1: like get back into the water, so they're fine, but 874 00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:04,000 Speaker 1: the fish are definitely not fine. But then these great 875 00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,320 Speaker 1: egrets and other birds have taken notice of these dolphins 876 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,200 Speaker 1: doing this hunting tactic, which this is the only in 877 00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,040 Speaker 1: these marshes in Georgia. These are the only place, this 878 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,240 Speaker 1: is the only place that these dolphins have been observed 879 00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,080 Speaker 1: doing this hunting tactic where they force fish to like 880 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,000 Speaker 1: become stranded on the shore on these mud banks. But 881 00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:30,759 Speaker 1: the birds, well classics, but these birds will watch the 882 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,359 Speaker 1: dolphins and wait for them to do this, and then 883 00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,800 Speaker 1: they go and they start eating up the fish that 884 00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,400 Speaker 1: the dolphins can't reach that have like flipped out of 885 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,680 Speaker 1: you know, just like the excess fish. So they just 886 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,920 Speaker 1: kind of like some of the egrets that observe dolphins 887 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:52,400 Speaker 1: doing this have become so dependent on the dolphin hunting habits, 888 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,800 Speaker 1: they like basically stopped hunting for themselves and they just 889 00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,560 Speaker 1: wait for these dolphins to do this interesting hunting. Oh 890 00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,080 Speaker 1: my god. And so this I would say this is 891 00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,759 Speaker 1: a case of commence alism because I don't think the 892 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,880 Speaker 1: dolphins are negatively impacted by the bird's presence unless the 893 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,000 Speaker 1: birds are like eating fish that they would have otherwise gotten. 894 00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,719 Speaker 1: But I don't think so, because I think a lot 895 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,600 Speaker 1: of these fish gets shoved like way up the shoreline, 896 00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,600 Speaker 1: so they're not going to get them anyways. And we're 897 00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:23,240 Speaker 1: sure they're not blocking the dolphins and eating them. No, 898 00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:29,520 Speaker 1: they're definitely no, they could be like annoying them. I guess, 899 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,000 Speaker 1: like the dolphins. This is like they didn't ask the 900 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,600 Speaker 1: dolphins if they could eat with them, and they're just 901 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,439 Speaker 1: like bothering them, and like, you mind, if I mind 902 00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,760 Speaker 1: if I grabbed some salt, That's how I imagined that 903 00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,000 Speaker 1: conversation going between those animals. It's especially funny because they're 904 00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,480 Speaker 1: in saltwater, so you don't really need anymore. You see 905 00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:54,000 Speaker 1: the humor, it's a it's salt saltwater, marsh salt. Right. 906 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,400 Speaker 1: I appreciate what you did there, that's fine. But this 907 00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,480 Speaker 1: is like, this is like a nation of It started 908 00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,280 Speaker 1: out as feeling like a World War two story where 909 00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,400 Speaker 1: I was just like captivated and like, oh my god, 910 00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,080 Speaker 1: I can't believe what's happened. And then and then it 911 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:13,000 Speaker 1: turned into like when people tell they tell you not 912 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,680 Speaker 1: to feed bears because you're gonna like domesticate or you're 913 00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,000 Speaker 1: gonna make them depend not domesticate, but you're gonna depend 914 00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:25,760 Speaker 1: make them dependent on human sandwiches and beef jerky picnic baskets, 915 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,440 Speaker 1: and they want to wear a little bow ties. You know, 916 00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,160 Speaker 1: where else you get a lunchable out there, it's devastating 917 00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,960 Speaker 1: to the bear population. And they get picnic baskets. And 918 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,680 Speaker 1: then they like start wearing bow ties and just like 919 00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,280 Speaker 1: they have no survival skills and they have to be 920 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,920 Speaker 1: put down. They have to be put down. Like when 921 00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,960 Speaker 1: once they start wearing bow ties, they've actually got to 922 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,720 Speaker 1: be put down, so and the hats hats and little 923 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,880 Speaker 1: tie like they wear like actual ties and collars, but 924 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,480 Speaker 1: they don't wear shirts, which doesn't make any sense, and 925 00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,040 Speaker 1: it's really sad, and they do have to be euthanized, 926 00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,360 Speaker 1: and they don't have jobs, so they're just mocking winds 927 00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,840 Speaker 1: and capitalism. Basically, the zoomers that are listening to this 928 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,760 Speaker 1: are like, I think, really into Yogi bear content. So 929 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,880 Speaker 1: I think this is a good move to bring in 930 00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,200 Speaker 1: the Yeah, it's it's very timely, So this is great, 931 00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,120 Speaker 1: this is this is great. I have more references from 932 00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,320 Speaker 1: a hundred years ago that are going to go over fantastic, 933 00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it is it isn't like that. 934 00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,480 Speaker 1: I think that's an actually very good point, which is 935 00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:32,080 Speaker 1: that these dolphins are because they are creating this different 936 00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,520 Speaker 1: dolphin culture where they do this specific hunting tactic. These 937 00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,680 Speaker 1: other animals are becoming dependent on the dolphins hunting. And 938 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,760 Speaker 1: it actually happens in the ocean as well, where dolphins 939 00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:46,760 Speaker 1: will create these bubble nets where they force fish up 940 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,919 Speaker 1: to the surface out in the open ocean, and these 941 00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,840 Speaker 1: birds will watch for that and come and descend, and 942 00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,640 Speaker 1: they get a lot of their food just from taking 943 00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:01,760 Speaker 1: advantage of dolphin ingenuity and could you who's smarter though 944 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,720 Speaker 1: in this situation, the dolphins doing all this work or 945 01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,320 Speaker 1: the birds who work smarter not harder, And just you know, 946 01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,960 Speaker 1: the birds are like the c e O s in 947 01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,919 Speaker 1: this situation where they let the dolphins do all the work. 948 01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,480 Speaker 1: I was just about to say that the dolphins are 949 01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,360 Speaker 1: the workers. And then the Jeff Bezos of the of 950 01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,520 Speaker 1: the scene comes down and takes all the fish and 951 01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,920 Speaker 1: is like, well, maybe if you would work harder, you 952 01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,240 Speaker 1: would have had more fish, Jeff birds, and you're like 953 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:33,320 Speaker 1: son of the birds. Yeah, yeah, I which there's like 954 01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,040 Speaker 1: a do you do sound effects on this? Could be 955 01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,400 Speaker 1: like a little ding or something there? What kind of 956 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:42,840 Speaker 1: ding like like like I want want want is that 957 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,360 Speaker 1: the ding that's not a ding? What I mean like 958 01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,960 Speaker 1: a bell? Like a like a bell sound like a 959 01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,720 Speaker 1: ding dong sound? I need to know what sounds just 960 01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,240 Speaker 1: like a dan like if you know, if you go 961 01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,040 Speaker 1: to a place and they're like ring the bell for service, 962 01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,600 Speaker 1: just like ding. You know it's like that kind of thing. 963 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,480 Speaker 1: I'll put it. Hang on, you're doing this on purpose? 964 01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,280 Speaker 1: Go on for half an hour about bells, No that's fine. 965 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:13,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put a right about now. Did you hear 966 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:18,960 Speaker 1: it in the future because I put it in there. Wow, 967 01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:28,440 Speaker 1: that's spooky. Why is this speaking now? Well, this is 968 01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,280 Speaker 1: part of this is the spooky segment. We're talking about 969 01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:36,440 Speaker 1: ghost dolphins. Well, now that we've started talking about ghost dolphins, 970 01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,600 Speaker 1: I think that's a good time to end the podcast, 971 01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:46,000 Speaker 1: to stop recording the podcast, Like, let me go ahead 972 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,680 Speaker 1: and stop you right there, let me go ahead. We've 973 01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,800 Speaker 1: done it. We can't do any more podcast now that 974 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:56,280 Speaker 1: we've sort of jumped to the ghost shark here. Um no, 975 01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,880 Speaker 1: but yeah, thank you so much for joining me today, Randall. 976 01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:04,560 Speaker 1: It has been really fun other than the ghost part. 977 01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:09,480 Speaker 1: You know that that part is bad and I didn't 978 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:13,200 Speaker 1: like it was too spooky. I was scared by it. 979 01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,440 Speaker 1: I was not a fan of what you said. Scientifically, 980 01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,840 Speaker 1: my feelings don't matter. But that's like, you know why, 981 01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:24,080 Speaker 1: because this episode is about friendship. Yeah, that's true. It's 982 01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,720 Speaker 1: friend and when your friends say they don't acknowledge your feelings, 983 01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,880 Speaker 1: what do you say back? That's perfectly fine. I don't 984 01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:36,960 Speaker 1: care anymore. Yeah, that's the ghosts of my feelings leaving 985 01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:41,680 Speaker 1: my body and leaving me a husk of a emotionless 986 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,959 Speaker 1: friendships all about friendships, also about letting your friends plug 987 01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:50,080 Speaker 1: things on your podcast. So you've got anything, I got 988 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,000 Speaker 1: so much going on? I got you can. You can 989 01:02:53,040 --> 01:03:00,280 Speaker 1: find my custom toys and merge at Perfect Retro U 990 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:07,480 Speaker 1: with a c K on Perfect on both Instagram and 991 01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,560 Speaker 1: on eBay, you can buy stuff. So feel free to 992 01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,360 Speaker 1: follow me, look at what I'm doing, and then buy 993 01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,560 Speaker 1: things if you want to, and maybe support an artist 994 01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,800 Speaker 1: maybe if you want, you know where you want to do, 995 01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:23,880 Speaker 1: that's up to you. And then I'm also on this 996 01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:29,640 Speaker 1: website called the Twitter dot com. Twitter. There's it's on 997 01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:34,200 Speaker 1: that Twitter Twitter bird. It's like a little blue bird, 998 01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,960 Speaker 1: but they call it Twitter, and then they put up 999 01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,160 Speaker 1: the you write things on there. You put up like 1000 01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:44,600 Speaker 1: little messages, tweets. So I'm on there and I go 1001 01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,520 Speaker 1: like if you go to uh as my name my 1002 01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:52,160 Speaker 1: first and last name, random manner, so it's the ad sign, 1003 01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:56,520 Speaker 1: you know that little the little appreciate at random manner, 1004 01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,640 Speaker 1: Twitter to or dot and the Twitter dot com. So 1005 01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,400 Speaker 1: then like you just go there and then I'm on 1006 01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,840 Speaker 1: there and then you can click follow and then you'll 1007 01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:13,080 Speaker 1: see all of my and then you know, right, so 1008 01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,240 Speaker 1: like if you want to do that, if you want 1009 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:20,400 Speaker 1: to do that, fel I like the site. I feel 1010 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,640 Speaker 1: like it's a good way to express feelings and you know, 1011 01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,600 Speaker 1: I have really nuanced conversations and all that stuff. It's great. 1012 01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:34,919 Speaker 1: It's great Twitter dot com at random Maynor to Twitter, Yeah, yeah, 1013 01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,960 Speaker 1: great at random Mayer at Twitter, Twitter dot dot com. 1014 01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:44,000 Speaker 1: The website, and I'll on your on your web. Yeah, 1015 01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,240 Speaker 1: I'll post a picture of the creature feature action figure. 1016 01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:51,560 Speaker 1: Unfortunately it is not available for sale anymore. It has 1017 01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:57,120 Speaker 1: been recalled or isn't it is actually has been like 1018 01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:01,960 Speaker 1: just spontaneously come busting. I've heard like it just like 1019 01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:06,040 Speaker 1: suddenly gets like it just goes up. Well, it was 1020 01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:10,000 Speaker 1: filled with real wasps, right, I hope you let them out, 1021 01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,280 Speaker 1: which right, which was I thought a cool feature. But 1022 01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,600 Speaker 1: parents have been complaining also the head, like the head 1023 01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,680 Speaker 1: of the dolls like turning around three sixty degrees and 1024 01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:24,320 Speaker 1: saying like like I'm your Ii'm your best friend, and 1025 01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:29,680 Speaker 1: then like a laugh and and like fires, good, a 1026 01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,560 Speaker 1: lot of fires, which was actually not a defect, like 1027 01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:39,160 Speaker 1: we that was that was a feature that we'd advertised. Yeah, 1028 01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,160 Speaker 1: and I don't understand why parents have a problem with it, 1029 01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,000 Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. I don't know. I feel like 1030 01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,400 Speaker 1: you did just acknowledge a supernatural though which is a 1031 01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:50,520 Speaker 1: huge hurdle for the podcasts and not for it, just 1032 01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,320 Speaker 1: for you as a person, just finally admitting that that 1033 01:05:53,960 --> 01:06:00,800 Speaker 1: it's not haunting. It's not haunted. Its yeah, it's branded 1034 01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:05,800 Speaker 1: by you know, yeah, Demonic Grantic, come on, get with it. Well, 1035 01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,720 Speaker 1: you can find us on the internet at Creature Feature 1036 01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:13,040 Speaker 1: Pod on Instagram, at Creature Feet Pod on Twitter. That's 1037 01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,720 Speaker 1: f E A T not f E T M something 1038 01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,400 Speaker 1: very different. And you can find me on the internet 1039 01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,280 Speaker 1: as well at Katie Golden GEO L D I N 1040 01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,720 Speaker 1: and you could just hear my Katie thoughts. And then 1041 01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,520 Speaker 1: also as always I am at pro Bird Rights where 1042 01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,360 Speaker 1: kiss what birds are. Birds are just better than all 1043 01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,600 Speaker 1: of us, is what I'm saying, because you can just 1044 01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,360 Speaker 1: find that out right there on the bird website at 1045 01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:42,920 Speaker 1: bird Rights. And thank you for listening. I appreciate it 1046 01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:47,040 Speaker 1: very much if you leave a rating or review, I 1047 01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,440 Speaker 1: super appreciate that. That really helps us out with the 1048 01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,480 Speaker 1: robot algorithms, and the robots are like beat boop, this 1049 01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:57,080 Speaker 1: is a good show. Boot Bop and then I also 1050 01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,120 Speaker 1: read all the reviews and I really appreciate it for 1051 01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:01,680 Speaker 1: so thank you for writing those. They make my day 1052 01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,240 Speaker 1: when I read them. And if you want to send 1053 01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:08,240 Speaker 1: in episode ideas or questions, you can also write to 1054 01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:13,640 Speaker 1: Creature Feature Pod at Gmail. That and that is Creature 1055 01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:18,680 Speaker 1: feature the Gmail. So Creature Feature Pod at gmail dot com. 1056 01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:23,400 Speaker 1: That's how that's how mail. Webmail works. Yeah, you just 1057 01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:27,640 Speaker 1: send send a webmail over there. Can they email you 1058 01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:31,600 Speaker 1: some money? Can they email you the podcast money? But 1059 01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,720 Speaker 1: you can't put money in the computer. That's dumb. That's 1060 01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:39,200 Speaker 1: a dumb question. Thanks to the spaces you can't put 1061 01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,560 Speaker 1: money in a computer. Everyone knows that. Thanks to the 1062 01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:45,040 Speaker 1: Space Classes for their super awesome song x Alumina. Creature 1063 01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:48,080 Speaker 1: features a production of I Heart Radio. 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