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Speaker 4: What do we have, Crystal, indeed we do so.

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Speaker 2: Pam Bondi says we are not getting any more Epstein files.

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Speaker 4: We'll see if she holds true to that.

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Speaker 2: There's also a bunch of more developments there, including revelations

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Speaker 2: about significant allegations against President Trump's will break that.

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Speaker 4: Down for you.

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Speaker 2: Marco Rivio Okay, have quite a speech in Munich calling

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Speaker 2: for a full on return to colonialism. True to Parsi

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Speaker 2: is going to join to talk about that. Also give

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Speaker 2: us an update on Cuba in where we are with

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Speaker 2: Democrats also went to Munich. We're going to take a

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Speaker 2: head into twenty twenty eight. Anthropic is now fighting with

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Speaker 2: is deploying their technology, and Obama says that aliens do exist.

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Speaker 4: He's now sort of like.

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Speaker 2: Cleaning up the comments, but interesting noteworthy Sacer of course

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Speaker 1: That aliens exist. Aliens real. Tom DeLong tried to tell us.

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Speaker 1: He tried to tell us all along.

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Speaker 3: But let's go ahead and get to that Pambondi letter

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Speaker 3: General Pambondi is saying, who WHOA, WHOA?

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Speaker 1: Not so fast.

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Speaker 3: So all of this was in a letter that was

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Speaker 3: accordance with the Files Act. The list of names includes

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Speaker 3: all persons that were government official or political exposed person

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Speaker 5: You've supported most of what Donald Trump has done during

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Speaker 6: Look, this is about the Epstein class, the people who

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Speaker 6: They're billionaires who are friends with these people, and that's

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Speaker 6: told us that even though you know, he had dinner

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Speaker 6: He's still in with the Epstein class. This is the

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Speaker 3: In fact, one of the things Massy noted Crystal is

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Speaker 3: investigations which will preclude them from being able to release everything.

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Speaker 3: That's part of the switch around that's currently happening. Because

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Speaker 3: But if you open investigations, you can stall that off

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Speaker 3: for six months, a year, three years, maybe you know,

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Speaker 3: He seems to have kept his gig now for now.

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Speaker 3: A Casey Wasserman, a Hollywood agent, is going to sell

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Speaker 3: his agency. You know he lost Chapel Roans. Like fine,

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Speaker 3: you know, okay, cool, that's nice to see. I guess

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Speaker 3: Kathy Brumler, Kathy Rumler, the Golden Sacks lawyer. But that's

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Speaker 3: Pam Bondi her disastrous press conference. By the way, as

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Speaker 1: So here we are, it's over.

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Speaker 2: It's over as of now, Well, what's the dow at

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Speaker 3: I do believe that the dawn thou right, good greenlight

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Speaker 3: to talk about a file billionaire to Baal. The futures

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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean I want to underscore part of what

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Speaker 2: Massey said. Calling this to Epstein administration is quite stunning,

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Speaker 2: pretty stunning. I also want to underscore in the way

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Speaker 2: in the files we know, the unredacted files named some

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Speaker 2: million times close friends with Jeffrey Epstein, hanging out with

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Speaker 2: And so by putting his name in this list of

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Speaker 2: three hundred various people, you're kind of trying to equate,

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Speaker 4: Because now if you.

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Speaker 3: So you've got major geopolitical situation might be kicking off.

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Speaker 1: Everything. He threatened members of Congress. They all voted for it.

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Speaker 2: the early two thousands, you still wanted to look the

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Speaker 2: other way and make sure that him and Galaine and

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Speaker 2: all of the powerful people that they were in league

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Speaker 2: with that they got off scott free. So it's you know,

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Speaker 2: it is horrifying, and it's such an extraordinarily disturbing glimpse

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Speaker 2: into the way the global power actually operates, How money, power, sex, horror,

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Speaker 2: how this all intermingles to gather there and creates an

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Speaker 2: entire system that you know, is extraordinarily powerful, and I'm

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Speaker 2: quite sure continues to be the fact that Epstein is

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Speaker 2: gone doesn't mean that the Epstein class is gone, doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean that things are not operating in exactly the same way,

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Speaker 2: which is part of why there's been such an effort,

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Speaker 2: such an unbelievable effort to cover all of this up.

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Speaker 2: That spans not just this administration, although this one is

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Speaker 2: certainly the most brazen, but that spans, you know, whatever

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Speaker 2: party is in power, because they all benefit from the

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Speaker 2: way things operate presently.

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Speaker 1: That's right, all right, let's get to treat to Parsy.

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Speaker 4: All right, guys.

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Speaker 2: So we have a whole range of issues with regard

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Speaker 2: to foreign affairs, everything from Iran to Cuba, but most

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Speaker 2: notably the Munich Security Conference and doctor Treta Parsi is

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Speaker 2: going to join us now to break down some pretty

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Speaker 2: remarkable speeches that we're given there, just back himself from

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Speaker 2: Munich and still recovering from the flight and the time

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Speaker 2: change and all of that.

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Speaker 1: Welcome, great to see you, you just easer, good to

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Speaker 1: see you.

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Speaker 9: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 2: So most noteworthy speech that occurred there was Sectuary of

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Speaker 2: State Marco Rubio, who explicitly called for a return to

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Speaker 2: colonialism and sharing the spoils of that colonialism with European allies.

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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to a little

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Speaker 2: bit of that.

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Speaker 10: We cannot continue to allow those who blatantly and openly

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Speaker 10: threaten our citizens and endanger our global stability to shield

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Speaker 10: themselves behind abstractions of international law which they themselves routinely violate.

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Speaker 10: This is the path that President Trump and the United

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Speaker 10: States has embarked upon. It is the path.

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Speaker 1: We ask you here in Europe to join us on.

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Speaker 10: It is a path we have walked together before and

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Speaker 10: hope to walk together again. For five centuries before the

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Speaker 10: end of the Second World War, the West had been expanding.

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Speaker 10: It's missionaries, it's pilgrims, it's soldiers, it's explorers, pouring out

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Speaker 10: from its shores to cross oceans, settle new continents, build

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Speaker 10: vast empires, extend out across the globe. But in nineteen

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Speaker 10: forty five, for the first time since the age of Columbus,

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Speaker 10: it was contracting. Europe was in ruins, half of it

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Speaker 10: lived behind an iron curtain, and the rest looked like

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Speaker 10: it would soon follow. The great Western Empires had entered

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Speaker 10: into terminal decline, accelerated by godless communist revolutions and by

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Speaker 10: anti colonial uprisings that would transform the world and drape

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Speaker 10: the red hammer and sickle across vast swaths of.

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Speaker 1: The map in the years to come.

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Speaker 10: Against that backdrop, then, as now, many came to believe

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Speaker 10: that the West's age of dominance had come to an end,

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Speaker 10: and that our future was destined to be a faint

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Speaker 10: and feeble echo of our past. But together our predecessors

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Speaker 10: recognized that decline was a choice, and it was a

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Speaker 10: choice they refused to make.

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Speaker 2: You can see there at the end and getting a

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Speaker 2: standing ovation, apparently from any of the Europeans in the room,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Parcy, What did you make of his remarks?

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Speaker 9: Well, there's a couple of things. One is just to

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Speaker 9: look at the remarks themselves, and then also the European reaction.

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Speaker 9: Here you have a Secretary of State that is decrying

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Speaker 9: the end of the Cold War, he is decrying the

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Speaker 9: fact that the West is no longer expansion, is decrying

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Speaker 9: the collapse of Western non American empires, decrying decolonization and

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Speaker 9: the end of Western empires, and gets a standing ovation

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Speaker 9: for that. I mean, there's so much to unpack it,

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Speaker 9: because at the end of the day, you could see

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Speaker 9: that the Europeans, by standing up and giving a standing

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Speaker 9: ovation for this, are willing to accept any basis or

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Speaker 9: a partnership with the United States as long as they're

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Speaker 9: allowed to continue to live in the illusion that they

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Speaker 9: matter to the United States. It didn't matter that the

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Speaker 9: values that he was putting forward here are values that

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Speaker 9: vast majority of Europe already has abandoned decades ago. But

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Speaker 9: Rubia was going back to this era of empire, imperialism,

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Speaker 9: colonization as something positive and he got a standing ovation

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Speaker 9: for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, putting those together, doctor Parsi, it seems

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Speaker 3: to me that they abandon it internally.

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Speaker 1: But we've talked here before.

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Speaker 3: If you look at the European stance on let's say Iran,

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Speaker 3: they're very quick to say not the legitimate government. It

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Speaker 3: has no legitimacy on Venezuela. They de facto supported the

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Speaker 3: United Their only complaint is there wasn't a full on

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Speaker 3: regime chain. They fully believe in no colonialism or expansion

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Speaker 3: on their continent, but outside of their continent they seem

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Speaker 3: fine with it.

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Speaker 1: So is this just a reconciling of their own hypocrisy.

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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 9: I think some of these things that you mentioned obviously

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Speaker 9: are true, but the more recent developments, this vast abandonment

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Speaker 9: of international law, for instance. Not to say that Europe

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Speaker 9: always has been perfect or anything like that, but this

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Speaker 9: is a more recent development. The whole tone at the

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Speaker 9: UNO conference this time was more regime change than I've

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Speaker 9: ever seen before. And I think, again, these are some

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Speaker 9: new developments, not to say that there hasn't been in

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Speaker 9: a root for it, or that it's been always perfectly

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Speaker 9: different before. But remember two thousand and three, the Europeans

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Speaker 9: went out of their way to stop the regime change

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Speaker 9: war in Iraq, and they paid a very high price

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Speaker 9: for it. Back then, Germany, France took the lead, and

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Speaker 9: they had all of Europe, with the exception of some

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Speaker 9: Eastern states, and the UK on their side fighting against

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Speaker 9: that war because of its illegality, because of its neo

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Speaker 9: colonial character, and because it was regime chain. That is

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Speaker 9: not what we're seeing right now. So in many ways

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Speaker 9: Europe has already changed, but this is still taking them

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Speaker 9: a much more explicit step in the direction that it

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Speaker 9: should embrace its colonial pass, it should embrace its pursuit

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Speaker 9: of empire. And I have to tell you as much,

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Speaker 9: which is the Europeans are increasingly saying, look, we can't

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Speaker 9: stand up for international law. We just have to do

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Speaker 9: whatever it wants to say. The idea that there would

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Speaker 9: be an embraced empire is still a step that I

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Speaker 9: don't think most Europeans have been willing to take so far.

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Speaker 2: It was very I mean, it was very disturbing to me,

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Speaker 2: but it was also I thought extraordinary the way it

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Speaker 2: almost seemed to he was rebuking the lessons that were

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Speaker 2: learned from World War two, I mean World War two.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that's taken from this is you know,

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Speaker 2: when you have an expansion is power, like Germany for example,

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Speaker 2: this is a disaster for humanity. It's a problem for

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Speaker 2: a variety of nations. We need to put these institutions

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Speaker 2: in place, and by the way, I feel like this

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Speaker 2: gets lost from the Trump administration. We set up those

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Speaker 2: institutions to benefit us. It has been a tremendous benefit

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Speaker 2: to the United States of America, and then we run

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Speaker 2: around acting like we're the victims of these institutions that

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Speaker 2: we ourselves set up.

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Speaker 4: But I thought the.

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Speaker 2: Almost rebuke of the learnings of World War Two was

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Speaker 2: something that was pretty doing to me.

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Speaker 9: Well, if you want to drive matters in the direction

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Speaker 9: of a great power competition, this is what you have

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Speaker 9: to do, right, You have to rebuke these lessons because

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Speaker 9: these lessons were there to make sure that we didn't

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Speaker 9: have another great power competition in the world. And only

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Speaker 9: point about these institutions, I totally agree with you. I

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Speaker 9: think I've said it on the show before. Not only

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Speaker 9: did the United States play a critical role in establishing

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Speaker 9: these these institutions lawed in many cases obviously in need

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Speaker 9: of significant reform, particularly the UN. Pushing it back towards

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Speaker 9: more focused on piece of security I think would be

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Speaker 9: a good thing. It has strong support internationally to go

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Speaker 9: in that direction. But it was a very useful institution

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Speaker 9: to the United States in the past. But here's the

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Speaker 9: more important point. If we are going towards a multipolar world,

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Speaker 9: and Rubio is the one who said it exactly a

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Speaker 9: year ago, then not only is the world multipolar, unipolarity

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Speaker 9: is an aberration, he said, which kind of contradicts what

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Speaker 9: he said in the Munich speech. But if that is

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Speaker 9: the case, that means that the United States no longer

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Speaker 9: has the power to constrain its rivals such as Russia, China,

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Speaker 9: our future countries in the same manner that it did before.

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Speaker 9: It still have the interests of constraining them, but it

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Speaker 9: doesn't have the same power any longer. So there's a

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Speaker 9: delta now between its interest and its power. What alternative

604
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Speaker 9: instruments do you have to be able to fill that delta? Well,

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Speaker 9: the obvious answer is international law. International law. These institutions

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Speaker 9: who have served exactly that purpose for all other countries

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Speaker 9: throughout this period and will increasingly play that role for

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Speaker 9: the United States that no longer have the unipolar leverage

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Speaker 9: and benefit that it did in the past.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, one of the things that's interesting, doctor Parsi,

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Speaker 3: is we can parse a lot of what's happening here,

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Speaker 3: and let's say that we are moving in a shift

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Speaker 3: to multipolarity, which I would argue makes international law or

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Speaker 3: the fiction of it, kind of less useful and of itself. However,

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Speaker 3: within that same framework, as you and I are thinking generally,

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Speaker 3: I think both aligned as restrainers. How does this how

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Speaker 3: does this idea conflict generally with let's say, any coherent

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Speaker 3: vision of restraint that was originally supposed to be a

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Speaker 3: part of the second Trump administration.

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Speaker 9: To me, it seems to have been a complete leap

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Speaker 9: away from restraint. Restraint at the core was that we

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Speaker 9: have to have a more narrow definition of US interests

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Speaker 9: instead of thinking that we have to defend everything outside

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Speaker 9: in the world, instead of thinking that we have to

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Speaker 9: think about alliances or the free world as the thing

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Speaker 9: we have to protect. We go back to our national

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Speaker 9: interest and narrow definition of it. Not because we're against alliances,

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Speaker 9: not because we're against the free world, but because those

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Speaker 9: type of conceptions led the United States to constantly enter

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Speaker 9: into war. And if we have that type of a

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Speaker 9: definition in which we believe that every corner of the

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Speaker 9: world is part of a US vital interest, and we

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Speaker 9: will be at war somewhere all the time. And that

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Speaker 9: is the history of the last twenty or plus years.

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Speaker 9: Here you have an expansion of the US interest because

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Speaker 9: he's not only talking about an alliance system, He's not

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Speaker 9: only talking about the free world. Now he's talking about

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Speaker 9: Western civilization as the core of what the United States

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Speaker 9: needs to defend, and without even being able to define

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Speaker 9: exactly what is it. I mean, is Latin America part

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Speaker 9: of Western civilization or is it part of the Global South,

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Speaker 9: as many people in Latin America will define themselves. Is Russia?

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Speaker 9: I mean, it's such an ambiguous term, and to have

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Speaker 9: that as the basis of what you have to defend

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Speaker 9: in the opposite direction of restraint, in my estimation.

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Speaker 2: There was a part in the speech that I found

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Speaker 2: to be interesting coming from Marco Rubio, who has centered

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Speaker 2: a lot of his politics around, you know, being some

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Speaker 2: of Cuban immigrants and you know, wanting to overturn that regime.

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Speaker 2: And we'll ask you more specifically about that in a moment,

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Speaker 2: but where he explicitly frames himself as the direct descendants

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Speaker 2: of Spaniards, so as the you know, the colonizers versus

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Speaker 2: the colonized, and I thought that was I thought that

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Speaker 2: was an interesting moment as well, and an interesting choice

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Speaker 2: to put in this speech where, like you said, they're

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Speaker 2: trying to claim all of Western civilization, talking about this

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Speaker 2: shared Christian heritage and the Scots, Irish and all of

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Speaker 2: these sorts of things.

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Speaker 9: Well, I mean he was, I mean it was noteworthy

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Speaker 9: because there's no mention of anyone else contributing to the

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Speaker 9: United States. Now, of course, in his defense, he's saying

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Speaker 9: this to an European audience, trying to console them and

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Speaker 9: reassure them that the United States still is there, which

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Speaker 9: again I think is contradictory in many different ways because

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Speaker 9: the message was supposed to be you have to understand,

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Speaker 9: you have to stand on your own legs. What Urubio

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Speaker 9: gave with this type of reassurance is another bite at

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Speaker 9: the illusionary apple for the Europeans to think that there

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Speaker 9: still is an ability for them to rely on the

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Speaker 9: United States without actually taking full responsibility, despite the fact

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Speaker 9: that he keeps on saying Europe has to step up, etc.

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Speaker 9: The way this whole thing landed in Munich was that

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Speaker 9: this was the opposite of vamps and as a result,

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Speaker 9: they can go back to the old illusion that they

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Speaker 9: lived in, in which they can just rely on the

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Speaker 9: United States.

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Speaker 3: Right and I think that is the part that grates

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Speaker 3: me more than anything, is that, if anything, what's ironic

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Speaker 3: about this administration is if you were to ask the Europeans,

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Speaker 3: they would say this is the most anti European US

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Speaker 3: administration in decades. That was one of the most pure

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Speaker 3: pro europe speeches I've ever seen. It was a direct

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Speaker 3: contravention of a lot of the restrain and philosophy that

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Speaker 3: goes back to the original pivot to Asia, where it's

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Speaker 3: this acknowledgement that Europe is increasingly an irrelevant power power base,

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Speaker 3: that there's a rising GDP in Asia, that the US

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Speaker 3: is an Asian power with you know, significant interests. China

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Speaker 3: is our main geopolitical rival, most of our interests, of

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Speaker 3: our economic like trading partners and all that lie outside

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Speaker 3: of the continent. It's really only blood and shared history

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Speaker 3: that seems to combine us together. Rubio's declaration was based

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Speaker 3: on we will fight for that shared interest so called

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Speaker 3: Western civilization, which again we don't even really agree between

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Speaker 3: US and Europe on what that even seems to mean.

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Speaker 3: So the confusion of this centered more than anything, whereas

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Speaker 3: it made it so that for me, the Trump doctrine

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Speaker 3: if there is such a thing basically doesn't exist. This

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Speaker 3: speech is the mirror image of the Jdvan speech from

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Speaker 3: one year ago in Munich. It is actually the mereor

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Speaker 3: image of a similar speech given in the exact same conference.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you were present at the Elbert Colby speech which

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Speaker 3: specifically talked about share Yes, shared interest in history and

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Speaker 3: all that is great, but we need to actually operate

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Speaker 3: on real hard power and on what our mutual interests,

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Speaker 3: like economic interests, may be. So it just seems to

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Speaker 3: be either a freelancing but regardless, it's very important for

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Speaker 3: what the vision of foreign policy and this administration is

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Speaker 3: going to look like.

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Speaker 9: I agree with most of what you said there, Sagar,

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Speaker 9: and I don't think it is freelancing. I think this

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Speaker 9: is an effort by a former neocon so essentially tried

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Speaker 9: to co opt much of the restrainers within the administration

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Speaker 9: by appealing to some of their conservative values which tend

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Speaker 9: to lend themselves to this idea of this civilization or discourse,

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Speaker 9: and as a result make sure that he gets a

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Speaker 9: new conservative at its root policy in the clothes of

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Speaker 9: something that is supposed to sound to certain conservatives as restraint.

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Speaker 9: I mean, keep in mind, he talked about the Western Century.

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Speaker 9: A colleague AMAI pointed out that this is the exact

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Speaker 9: same language of the neocons in the nineteen nineties when

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Speaker 9: they talked about the New American Century. So to me

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Speaker 9: it sounded that this was a very clever and I

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Speaker 9: have to say, you know, although I strongly disagree with

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Speaker 9: a lot of elements in that speech, it was a

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Speaker 9: brilliant speech for his purposes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's using the language of Christian nationalism to you know,

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Speaker 2: advance the agenda that Marco Rubio has, and that's a

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Speaker 2: place to shift a part of what that agenda is.

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Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and put B two up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: We've been tracking here the you know, ongoing US triggered

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Speaker 2: crisis in Cuba, which is becoming quite dire. This is

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Speaker 2: a dispatch from the Guardian. They say no fuel, no tours,

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Speaker 2: no cash. This was the week the Cuban crisis got real,

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Speaker 2: and you know, talk about just how incredibly difficult things

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Speaker 2: have been made there by US policy. Can you just

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Speaker 2: describe to us, you know, what the latest is there

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Speaker 2: and what our goals are.

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Speaker 9: I think it's very important here to make the connection

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Speaker 9: to Gaza, the United States has had an embargo on

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Speaker 9: Cuba for decades. Even when the Obama administration had the

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Speaker 9: opening with Cuba, they did not touch the embargo because

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Speaker 9: the embargo goes through Congress, and Obama essentially chose not

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Speaker 9: to do that. He only lifted executive orders. Never in

745
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Speaker 9: that embargo did we pursue disdegree of closure of the

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Speaker 9: island so that they can't even get food, medicine, and fuel.

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Speaker 9: But guess who else just did this two years ago

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Speaker 9: and is still doing it. This is what the Israelis

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Speaker 9: did to Gaza. This is the excessive form of capital

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Speaker 9: collective punishment that the Israelis pursued and continue to pursue

751
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Speaker 9: in Gaza, which they normalized through their action, and now

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Speaker 9: it is being adopted by the Trump administration against the

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Speaker 9: Cuban people. And this is very important to understand. But

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Speaker 9: so much about what was happening in Gaza was about

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Speaker 9: exactly the destruction of these norms of the use of

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Speaker 9: force and international lalities, things that we have built up

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Speaker 9: since Second World War to make sure that civilians are

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Speaker 9: protected in conflict. We may not be able to end

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Speaker 9: conflict altogether, but we're giving rights to civilians so that

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Speaker 9: they are protected. Those are now being destroyed, first in Gaza,

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Speaker 9: and now we see its replication in Cuba.

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Speaker 3: Let's move on to Iran, doctor Parsi, while we have you,

763
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Speaker 3: there's some major major developments here. Let's put ce one

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Speaker 3: up here on the screen. President Trump apparently told Prime

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Speaker 3: Minister NETANYAHUO, this is, according to CBS News, he would

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Speaker 3: support in Israeli strike on Iran's ballistic missile program. This

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Speaker 3: was back in December, not necessarily indicative of the latest

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Speaker 3: meeting that just happened between Prime Minister nata Yahoo and

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Speaker 3: between President Trump. What do you make let's say, both

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Speaker 3: of the news itself and of the timing of the

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Speaker 3: league for when it's coming out right now.

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Speaker 9: Clearly something happened on December twenty ninth of last year

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Speaker 9: when Natanyahu, almost six months to the day, came back

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Speaker 9: to the US and said, hey, let's have another war

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Speaker 9: with Iran. But what we saw immediately after that was

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Speaker 9: not that the Israelis would take the lead, but rather

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Speaker 9: that the US would take the lead. In fact, take

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Speaker 9: a look at Natanyahu's profile on this issue since then,

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Speaker 9: up until just a couple of days ago, he was

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Speaker 9: staying completely quiet. He was letting Trump take the lead.

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Speaker 9: He was avoiding an impression that Israel is the country

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Speaker 9: pushing the US into war because Trump essentially took full

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Speaker 9: ownership of the war and was in the lead taking

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Speaker 9: of doing an attack. So I don't think that is

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Speaker 9: actually what was being said. I mean, it may have

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Speaker 9: been that it was said, but it was not part

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Speaker 9: of the final decision. The final decision was that the

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Speaker 9: United States would take the lead. The reason why I

789
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Speaker 9: think this is now being leaked incidentally by CBS, and

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Speaker 9: you can draw your own conclusions about that, is because

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Speaker 9: of an effort to sabotage the talks that are taking

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Speaker 9: place and the next round that will take place tomorrow

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Speaker 9: in Geneva. The Iranians have made it absolutely clear there's

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Speaker 9: not going to be any restrictions or at least limitations

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Speaker 9: on the size of their missile program. This is the

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Speaker 9: only de terrence they have left against Israel. For them

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Speaker 9: to dismantle their missile program means that they would be

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Speaker 9: completely defenseless against Israel, and it has shown its ability

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Speaker 9: or its willingness to attack any country that is defensiveness

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Speaker 9: against it. So for them to leak this at this

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Speaker 9: point seems to be more of an effort to try

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Speaker 9: to sabotage those talks because of the fear that Trump

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Speaker 9: ultimately will agree to this. I mean, first of all,

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Speaker 9: let's keep in mind Trump didn't even talk about missiles

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Speaker 9: until December twenty ninth, So this is not an old

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Speaker 9: American red line. This is a very new red line

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Speaker 9: that is no more than five weeks old, and he

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Speaker 9: may be putting it to rest. And this is something

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Speaker 9: than that I think certain elements are trying to solbotage.

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Speaker 2: There were some also significant reporting from Reuters that we

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Speaker 2: can put up on the screen. They say exclusive US

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Speaker 2: military preparing for potentially weeks long RAN operations. US military

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Speaker 2: is preparing for the possibility of sustain weeks long operations

814
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Speaker 2: against Iron if Trump orders an attack to US officials

815
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Speaker 2: told Reuters. The disclosures by the officials, who spoke on

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Speaker 2: condition of anonymity, raises the stakes for the diplomacy underway.

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Speaker 4: They say.

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Speaker 2: They go on to discuss the build up and the

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Speaker 2: region and the preparations for what they expect would be

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Speaker 2: a longer protracted, more protracted conflict than what we saw

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Speaker 2: in the previous bombings of Iran.

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Speaker 4: What do you make of this?

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Speaker 2: Development, because one of the things that we have been

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Speaker 2: hearing is that perhaps the reason for the delay is

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Speaker 2: just further preparation so that it can be a more

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Speaker 2: widespread or more large scale military action.

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Speaker 9: Well, this league may have had the intent of putting

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Speaker 9: pressure on the Iranians by saying that the US is

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Speaker 9: ready for a longer war, but he may also have

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Speaker 9: had the opposite intent. He may have had the intent

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Speaker 9: of putting pressure on the administration itself, recognizing which I

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Speaker 9: think many people then dependagon recognize that Trump ultimately does

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Speaker 9: not want to have a long war. He likes quick,

834
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Speaker 9: glorious successes, and if he gets dragged into something that

835
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Speaker 9: is longer, what he tends to do is that he

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Speaker 9: cuts them short and he would draws, which I think

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Speaker 9: is the right thing to do when you're in something

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Speaker 9: that is not working. But that's not something the Pentagon likes.

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Speaker 9: The Pentagon doesn't like to be sent off into a

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Speaker 9: military confrontation and then be pulled back without having succeeding,

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Speaker 9: particularly if it's only after a couple of weeks. So

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Speaker 9: I think this is also a bit of a warning

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Speaker 9: of essentially saying, don't put us into something that you're

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Speaker 9: not intending to finish, and this will not be finished quickly,

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Speaker 9: and it will not be finished easily, and it will

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Speaker 9: probably drag on much more than weeks, probably months. So

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Speaker 9: I think again, part of the reason why this hasn't

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Speaker 9: happened yet is not that he just didn't have the

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Speaker 9: resources there to pursue it. Even with those resources, we

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Speaker 9: have like a third of the navy in the Persian

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Speaker 9: Gulf now we're in the Arabiancy. Even with those resources,

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Speaker 9: this is going to take a very long time. And

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Speaker 9: by the way, keep in mind that a couple of

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Speaker 9: weeks is also exactly what they said about Iraq and

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Speaker 9: he ended up being a decade.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, very very important point. We have Prime Minister

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Speaker 3: Natanya who now laying out conditions, you know, before we

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Speaker 3: even play that doctor Parci. Everything thing about this is

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Speaker 3: giving me the exact same you know, deja vu of

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Speaker 3: the Iran nuclear deal in twenty fifteen, and then a

861
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Speaker 3: lot of people forget the two thousand and nine crisis

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Speaker 3: with Iran as well, where Neatsaanya who is working the

863
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Speaker 3: press openly trying to push the US into war, intimating

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Speaker 3: that well, if you don't do it, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: do it trying to box in using the Republican Party.

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Speaker 3: So I do want to set the stage. This is

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Speaker 3: a well established playbook here from Prime Minister Netanyahu. Before

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Speaker 3: we now, let's actually take a listen to what he

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Speaker 3: says are acceptable conditions.

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Speaker 1: According to him, Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 11: I said that if a deal is to be rich,

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Speaker 11: it should have several components, several components that we believe

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Speaker 11: are important not only for the security of Israel, but

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Speaker 11: for the security of the world, the United States, the region,

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Speaker 11: the world. The first is that all enriched material has

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Speaker 11: to leave Iran. The second is that there shall be

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Speaker 11: no enrichment capability, not stopping the enrichment process, but dismantle

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Speaker 11: the equipment and the infrastructure that allows you to enrich

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Speaker 11: in the first place. And the third is to deal

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Speaker 11: also with the questions of ballistic missiles. There's an empty

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Speaker 11: cr limitation of three hundred kilometers, and Iran is supposed

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Speaker 11: to adhere to it. Of course it doesn't, as the

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Speaker 11: Rising Line operation by itself manifested. Everybody knows that. And

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Speaker 11: the fourth is stop the dismantled the axis silver terror

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Speaker 11: that Iran has built. It's been smashed, but it's still there.

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Speaker 11: It's trying to recover as iiron itself is trying to do.

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Speaker 11: And the last thing is remember Ronald Reagan's dictum Visa

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Speaker 11: VI the Soviet Union. Trust but verify, distrust, distrust, and

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Speaker 11: always verify. So there has to be real inspections, substantive inspections,

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Speaker 11: no lead time inspections, but effective inspections for all of

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Speaker 11: the above.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of that?

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Speaker 9: Well, as you pointed out, this is exactly what we've

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Speaker 9: seen in the past. Whenever there is any chance of

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Speaker 9: a deal, he goes out and he puts out impossible

896
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Speaker 9: conditions in order to signal clearly that he will attack

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Speaker 9: the deal if it is made that meets short of

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Speaker 9: these conditions, which it obviously will. These are impossible conditions

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Speaker 9: to reach. These are poison pills that he puts in

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Speaker 9: there in order to sell potage diplomacy. Now here's where,

901
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Speaker 9: from my standpoint, is a positive. For about a month

902
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Speaker 9: he kept a very low profile. Things were going his way.

903
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Speaker 9: There was no need for him to be out there

904
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Speaker 9: saying these things. Then things changed. He came back to Washington, DC,

905
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Speaker 9: he apparently did not have a good meeting with Trump,

906
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Speaker 9: and now he's out there giving this commentary again, which

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Speaker 9: I think is should be interpreted as a sign that

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Speaker 9: he's nervous, that he's not in the room, and that

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Speaker 9: he's trying to influence it from the outside, whereas before

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Speaker 9: just a couple of weeks ago, he felt confident enough

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Speaker 9: that he did not kill the need to influence it

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Speaker 9: from the outside. That does not mean that chances for

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Speaker 9: a deal necessarily are great or that things will work out,

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Speaker 9: but it does mean I think that the type of

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Speaker 9: control that Natanieo felt that he had up until a

916
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Speaker 9: week ago is no longer there, and he's back into

917
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Speaker 9: his old playbook of trying to sabag charging this from

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Speaker 9: the outside.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and finally, we wanted to underscore a bit of

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Speaker 2: the bipartisan nature of some of this approach here vis

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Speaker 2: a vis Iran. We had some comments from Nancy Pelosi

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Speaker 2: backing up Besant's desire to cause economic suffering among the

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Speaker 2: Iranian people.

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Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.

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Speaker 2: Is there a way to sort of bring about the

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Speaker 2: regime fallen without using American force?

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Speaker 1: I guess is the question there?

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Speaker 12: Well, use economic forces, use economic lose use. There are

929
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Speaker 12: ways that cripple their econway and some of that has

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Speaker 12: been in the works.

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Speaker 11: It does feel very tenuous though the regime there, you know,

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Speaker 11: more than has on a long time.

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Speaker 12: I agree with you. I agree with you, but again,

934
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Speaker 12: it's not about a threat from war. It's hopefully it's

935
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Speaker 12: more about just make their economy, weaken their economy, and

936
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Speaker 12: that weekends the support they do have, because they do

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Speaker 12: have support in the rural areas and the more conservative

938
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Speaker 12: moms and all the rest of that. But we have

939
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Speaker 12: to make them feel the pain as well.

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Speaker 2: I have to make them feel the pain as well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it reminds of the comments that you just

942
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Speaker 2: made tying Gaza to QBA. I think there's a you

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Speaker 2: know it tie in here as well. Not that sanctions

944
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Speaker 2: on Iran or anything new.

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Speaker 9: No, and we have to remember during the Obama years

946
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Speaker 9: it was called crippling sanctions. Hillary Clinton constantly used the

947
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Speaker 9: language of crippling their economy. I wrote on Twitter. This

948
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Speaker 9: was not a slip of the tongue. This is not

949
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Speaker 9: her accidentally saying that the quiet part out loud. This

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Speaker 9: was always the intent to get to a stadium which

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Speaker 9: you destroy the economy and as a result, to get

952
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Speaker 9: people to rise up to overthrow the government. But to

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Speaker 9: do so, you have to make their lives as miserable

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Speaker 9: as possible, so that they have no choice but to

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Speaker 9: go out on the streets and risk their lives. But

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Speaker 9: the playbook has been to never admit it, constantly say

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Speaker 9: that the medicine shortage is not because of sanctions, it's

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Speaker 9: because of the regimes incompetence and corruption. And without a doubt,

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Speaker 9: there is a tremendous amount of incompetence and corruption in

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Speaker 9: the running government, for sure. But these type of shortages

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Speaker 9: do not occur by themselves. They do occur as a

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Speaker 9: result of the sanctions. The latest research has made it very,

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Speaker 9: very clear that the sanctions is the triggering thing that

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Speaker 9: really causes the degree to which the economy is collapsing.

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Speaker 9: But you don't admit it until the very end when

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Speaker 9: you think a regime change is about to happen, because

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Speaker 9: at that point you want to take credit for it.

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Speaker 9: But up until that point and you go and you

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Speaker 9: gas it and you say, well, sanctions have nothing to

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Speaker 9: do with the sanctions, have nothing to do with the

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Speaker 9: fact that medicine cannot get it and sanctioned, that nothing

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Speaker 9: to do with the fact that the currency is collapsing,

973
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Speaker 9: that the economy is collapsing. But once it does, then

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Speaker 9: you take credit for it because you say that you achieve.

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Speaker 3: This, well said sir, Well, thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: joining us for so much of your time.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate your dispatch from Munich. Thank you, sir,