WEBVTT - It Came From Outer Space

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin, there's a place in our world where the known

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<v Speaker 1>things go. A corridor of the mind, lined with shelves

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<v Speaker 1>cluttered with proof. Huh, rock, this could be a meteorite. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's got some strange green goo on the inside. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just leave that there, moldy old birthday cake, and right

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<v Speaker 1>beside it an old poster authorized personnel only, US Government

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<v Speaker 1>quarantine station yesh a photo of the President rolling up

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<v Speaker 1>a sleeve getting a shot. This place, this evidence room,

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<v Speaker 1>stores the facts that matter and matters of fact. It

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<v Speaker 1>lies in a time between now and then, in the

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<v Speaker 1>long shadow of doubt. The sign on the door reads

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<v Speaker 1>the last archive step across the threshold to the Apollo

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<v Speaker 1>eleven command module, hurtling at ten thousand, one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>ninety five ft per second towards the surface of the Earth. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>a follow eleven remains the prime story, with the world

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<v Speaker 1>awaiting your landing today at about the eleven forty nine

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<v Speaker 1>am Houston time, July twenty fourth, nineteen sixty nine, four

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<v Speaker 1>days after six hundred and fifty million people on Earth Watch,

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<v Speaker 1>Neil Armstrong walk on the Moon. Now that looked like

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<v Speaker 1>the easy part. The hard part would be getting the

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<v Speaker 1>three astronauts home. Mission Control in Houston was updating the

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<v Speaker 1>astronauts with the latest news from Earth and cracking a

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<v Speaker 1>few jokes. Air Canada says it has accepted twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred reservations for flights to the Moon in the past

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<v Speaker 1>five days. It might be noted that more than one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred have been made by men for their mothers in law.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's Houston trying to keep things late, because

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<v Speaker 1>after all, the Apollo eleven astronauts were about to pierce

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<v Speaker 1>the atmosphere at about a thousand degrees fahrenheit and splash

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<v Speaker 1>down into the ocean. Nashville, Tennessee now reports it is

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<v Speaker 1>being flooded by Moon's songs. A song at the top

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<v Speaker 1>of the bestseller's list this week is in the year

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five twenty five. I like to imagine to hear

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<v Speaker 1>in my head NASA Command in Houston playing that song

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<v Speaker 1>while guiding the astronaut's reentry, preparing them for what's to

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<v Speaker 1>come in twenty five twenty five. If man is still alive,

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<v Speaker 1>if woman can servive, they may find eleven and at

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<v Speaker 1>eleven Horn at Quadri Flag Dot are over our better

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<v Speaker 1>train there WI the water r right right. The Apollo

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<v Speaker 1>eleven modules splashed down into the Pacific Ocean, not too

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<v Speaker 1>far from Hawaii, where the astronauts were to be retrieved

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<v Speaker 1>by waiting swimmers. This is where the story often ends.

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<v Speaker 1>The astronauts safely returned to Earth. Our world knit closer together.

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<v Speaker 1>We went to the Moon. They went to the Moon,

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<v Speaker 1>and they came back. But let that mission control tape

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<v Speaker 1>roll just a few seconds longer after splash down, and

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<v Speaker 1>things start to get a little strange, And the first

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<v Speaker 1>astronaut has been scrubbed down, and now the astronauts are

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<v Speaker 1>scrubbing down the swimmer. Immediately after contact, the astronauts were

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<v Speaker 1>scrubbed down by a swimmer, washed from head to toe

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<v Speaker 1>while floating in the middle of the ocean, because NASA

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<v Speaker 1>was worried about a moon plague. Nobody had ever been

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<v Speaker 1>to the Moon before, and NASA had to wonder what

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<v Speaker 1>if there was life there? Not aliens with big eyes

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<v Speaker 1>and weird shaped skulls, but bacteria viruses. No one knew

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<v Speaker 1>what the astronauts might bring back with them, So after

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<v Speaker 1>the astronauts came back to Earth, they did something we

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<v Speaker 1>day in the age of masks and COVID tests know

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<v Speaker 1>all too well they quarantined. Most extraordinary part of the

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<v Speaker 1>Apollo eleven flight to the Moon will start after they

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<v Speaker 1>get back, the beginning of the most rigorous three weeks

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<v Speaker 1>quarantine any human beings have ever had to endure. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the Last Archive, the show about how we know

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<v Speaker 1>what we know, how we used to know things, and

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<v Speaker 1>why it seems lately as if we don't know anything

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<v Speaker 1>at all. I'm Jill Lapour. This episode picks up where

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<v Speaker 1>our last one left off, the end of the Moon mission.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the Apollo mission is a rift in history,

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<v Speaker 1>a hinge where everything changed, a fracture in time and space.

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<v Speaker 1>We used to look at the stars and wonder. After Apollo,

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<v Speaker 1>we'd seen space as something else, cold, lifeless, a vacuum,

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<v Speaker 1>or if there was life out there was dangerous. That

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<v Speaker 1>splashdown led to waves of doubt, doubt about science, a

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<v Speaker 1>wave we're still riding today, a tidal wave still crashing.

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<v Speaker 1>When the astronauts landed safely on Earth, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>in the ocean, President Richard Nixon celebrated, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest week, and the history of the world has the creation,

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<v Speaker 1>but the danger hadn't entirely passed. Even before the astronauts

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<v Speaker 1>went to the Moon, scientists had begun to plan for

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<v Speaker 1>the risk, however small, that the astronauts might bring something back.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think there really is any chance of bringing

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<v Speaker 1>back banks from the Moon. It's an exceedingly unlikely event. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>sure it was exceedingly unlikely. But what if it did happen,

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<v Speaker 1>And what if normal disinfectants couldn't kill it, what if

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<v Speaker 1>medicine couldn't cure it? Scientists painted a picture frightening enough

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<v Speaker 1>that NASA built the Lunar Receiving Laboratory in Houston, where

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<v Speaker 1>the returning astronauts were whisked after splashdown to quarantine for

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one days. NASA kind of made a big show

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<v Speaker 1>of it all, rather than Nixon waving to the astronauts,

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<v Speaker 1>the curtains have been drawn. There they are in the

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<v Speaker 1>rear window. The curtains have been drawn. I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's as if the window is a little theater. Today

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<v Speaker 1>people use the term hygiene theater to talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>things we do to protect against coronavirus, when a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of those things probably don't make any difference, Like a

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<v Speaker 1>rental car agency that vacuums the car in front of you,

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<v Speaker 1>or a hotel with elevator operators who pressed the buttons

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<v Speaker 1>with gloves on and then wipe down the buttons after

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<v Speaker 1>each press. Anyway, did these things really do anything to

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<v Speaker 1>protect against COVID nineteen? Probably not, but it makes some

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<v Speaker 1>people more comfortable with the risks they've already decided to take.

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<v Speaker 1>Neil Armstrong celebrated his birthday in the quarantine tank. They

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<v Speaker 1>had a cake and everything. The astronauts waved at their

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<v Speaker 1>wives from behind plate glass. Everyone took the quarantine seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>but it really was hygie theater. I mean, after the

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<v Speaker 1>splashdown as the module bobbed in the water, the astronauts

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<v Speaker 1>inside had opened the hatch and let all the air out,

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<v Speaker 1>and after the swimmer wiped the astronauts down, he threw

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<v Speaker 1>the rag in the ocean. If there really had been

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<v Speaker 1>a moon plague, we'd all be dead by now. Later,

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<v Speaker 1>when people started claiming the whole mission had been a hoax,

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<v Speaker 1>the quarantine was one of those fishy details that they

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<v Speaker 1>fixated on. Why were the first astronauts held in quarantine

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<v Speaker 1>so long after their first trip when most scientists agree

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<v Speaker 1>that the Moon is sterile and there's no chance of

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<v Speaker 1>disease transmission. That's the Queen of conspiracy, May Brussel on

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<v Speaker 1>our community radio show in nineteen seventy seven. Was it

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<v Speaker 1>because they needed a period of reconditioning after the spurious trip?

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<v Speaker 1>Or could they not bear to face hordes of cheering

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<v Speaker 1>people so soon after playing their role in this show

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<v Speaker 1>on Earth? Seriously? Anyway back to nineteen sixty nine, cover

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<v Speaker 1>protective garments. These voyagers to and from the Moon went

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<v Speaker 1>into isolation. They were remained in this mobile quarantine facility.

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<v Speaker 1>One person watching all this, the reentry the quarantine was

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty six year old recent medical school graduate, Michael Crechton.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy, he was hard to miss. He was six

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<v Speaker 1>foot nine. Crichton would go on to write some of

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest bestsellers of the twentieth century, books and films

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<v Speaker 1>like Jurassic Park. He created the TV show Er. One

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<v Speaker 1>of his less successful projects was Westworld, released as a

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<v Speaker 1>film in nineteen seventy three, the decades later became an

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<v Speaker 1>HBO series. Pretty early in his prolific career, Crechton got

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<v Speaker 1>invited onto late night TV the Dick Cavett Show. My

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<v Speaker 1>next guest is Michael Crichton, he's an unusual young man.

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<v Speaker 1>During the four years that he spent at tim Medical School,

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<v Speaker 1>he suddenly got the writing bug, wrote seven novels, a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of movies, and became a doctor the writing bug. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they haven't cured that. Crichton got the writing bug at Harvard,

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<v Speaker 1>where he was an English major. One time he turned

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<v Speaker 1>in an essay that had actually been written by George Orwell.

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<v Speaker 1>When the professor gave him a B minus, Crechton quit

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<v Speaker 1>English and moved to anthropology. After graduation, he taught at

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<v Speaker 1>Cambridge University, doing research on skulls from the British Museum.

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<v Speaker 1>He went back to Harvard for medical school, but then

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<v Speaker 1>he started thinking about writing seriously as a way to

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<v Speaker 1>make some money. And my purpose was really to see

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<v Speaker 1>if I could write something that the average reader could

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<v Speaker 1>come away with a little information. Normally books didn't take

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<v Speaker 1>him long, but there was one story he wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>write and couldn't quite crack. It was a story about

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<v Speaker 1>a disease that came from space. He'd been poking at

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<v Speaker 1>it for years, but it just felt implausible to him. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>a while before the Apollo astronauts came crashing back down

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<v Speaker 1>to Earth. Word spread about Nassa's plan for the quarantine.

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<v Speaker 1>Crechton heard about it, and that's when everything clicked. He

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<v Speaker 1>haven't read The Andromedistrain. It's a science fiction book about

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<v Speaker 1>a giant, hearnie it. The Andromedist Strain is not about

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<v Speaker 1>a giant Hernia. But it is the book that truly

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<v Speaker 1>launched Crechton as a bestselling author, and it did that

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<v Speaker 1>by crystallizing all kinds of fears about science run a muck.

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<v Speaker 1>The Andromedist Strain opens with a government satellite called Scoop

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<v Speaker 1>seven crash landing in a town in Arizona. So far

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<v Speaker 1>so plausible satellites do fall to Earth. Crechton had done

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<v Speaker 1>his research anyway. Some scientists go to recover the satellite,

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<v Speaker 1>only to find that nearly everyone in the town is dead.

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<v Speaker 1>The scientists die to it. Turns out the satellite was

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<v Speaker 1>carrying a highly contagious pathogen from space Andromeda. Michael Creton

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<v Speaker 1>is always at great timing. The novel came out two

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<v Speaker 1>months before the Apollo eleve, an astronaut, splashed down in

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean. It was a blockbuster even while Neil Armstrong

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<v Speaker 1>and those guys were in quarantine eating Armstrong's birthday cake.

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<v Speaker 1>Americans were devouring the Andromedist Strain. Two years later, Universal

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<v Speaker 1>released it as a movie. This is a recording. State

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<v Speaker 1>your name and your message, and hang up Major zor

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<v Speaker 1>Manchik Scoop Mission Control A twelve. We have evidence here

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<v Speaker 1>on film of a natural death caused by Scoop seven

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<v Speaker 1>Returning to Earth. Crichton wrote The Andromeda Strain like a

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<v Speaker 1>piece of very learned science journalism. He filled the book

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<v Speaker 1>with real facts. He even included a fake appendix and

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<v Speaker 1>a fake bibliography. The makers of the movie took the queue.

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<v Speaker 1>They set the film in an elaborate, scientifically plausible disease

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<v Speaker 1>laboratory called Wildfire. An actual journal Clinical Infectious Diseases published

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<v Speaker 1>an actual article calling Andromeda Strain the most significant, scientifically

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<v Speaker 1>accurate and prototypic film of its kind. Until now, Wildfire

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<v Speaker 1>has been like a game, never believe this could really happen.

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<v Speaker 1>The point of the novel is that this really could happen.

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<v Speaker 1>After the satellite crash lands on Earth, the government calls

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<v Speaker 1>in five top scientists. They're moved to that secret lab

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<v Speaker 1>Wildfire burrowed deep underground. They're meant to study Andromeda, to

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<v Speaker 1>learn its secrets and how to stop it. What they discover, though,

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<v Speaker 1>is that Andromeda isn't like a normal Earth organism. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not a virus, it's not some kind of bacteria. It

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<v Speaker 1>was exactly what Carl Sagan and other scientists had been

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<v Speaker 1>so worried about, an entirely unknown alien organism potentially infecting

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<v Speaker 1>all of us, dividing and mutating at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>and nothing to stop it. Normal checks and balances don't

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<v Speaker 1>exist for it. In the Andromeda strain, scientists find themselves

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<v Speaker 1>in a scenario where the laws of nature, centuries of

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<v Speaker 1>scientific inquiry are moot. That fear just radiates out of

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<v Speaker 1>America in the late nineteen sixties, the Adam Bomb pollution

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<v Speaker 1>Computer's gone rogue. Crechton is a key to understanding this

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<v Speaker 1>fear of the future. So I decided to call a

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Crechton expert. So, just backing up, can you tell

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<v Speaker 1>us how you got interested in Michael Gryton? Did you

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<v Speaker 1>read you know? Did you see Jurassic Park as a kid?

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<v Speaker 1>Jurassic Park was, in fact the first movie that I

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<v Speaker 1>saw in the theater without parental supervision, and I remember

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<v Speaker 1>going to the theater and being like, I guess I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be a paleontologist because that career will

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<v Speaker 1>be obsolete. Joanna Rayden is an amazing historian of science

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<v Speaker 1>at Yale. She's writing a book about Michael Creighton. In

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<v Speaker 1>the course of studying post war ideas about science, she

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<v Speaker 1>started seeing Creton everywhere, not just in science fiction, but

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<v Speaker 1>interacting with and criticizing actual science and scientists. He goes

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<v Speaker 1>to medical school and it becomes disgruntled with what he

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<v Speaker 1>observes as a culture that has embraced new technology but

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't updated its morality, that they're not willing to or

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<v Speaker 1>able to take seriously the consequences of what it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to mean to manipulate life. Creighton was only a toddler

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<v Speaker 1>when the at M bombs fell on Hiroshima in Nagasaki.

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<v Speaker 1>He grew up watching science change in the shadow of

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<v Speaker 1>the bomb. Science it seemed had won the war, so

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<v Speaker 1>the government began investing massively in research, and scientists had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of say and where the money went. They

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<v Speaker 1>became close government advisors and popular heroes. In nineteen sixty,

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<v Speaker 1>Time magazine named scientists just scientists in general, the men

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<v Speaker 1>of the year. Six years later, Time released an issue

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<v Speaker 1>with the cover story is God Dead? The answer yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because now we have scientists. The US government had spent

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<v Speaker 1>fifty million dollars on scientific research in nineteen thirty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy it spent almost fifteen billion dollars. Most

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<v Speaker 1>of that was for the Department of Defense. M I

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<v Speaker 1>seen is more than one hundred million dollars a year

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<v Speaker 1>from the federal government to a conductor a search. Most

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<v Speaker 1>of it relates to the raging of rule. Scientists had

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<v Speaker 1>the power of gods, and like God, the things they

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<v Speaker 1>did were often mysterious, secret and a little menacing. The

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty six Atomic Energy Act had been introduced by

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<v Speaker 1>a senator who called the bombing of Hiroshima the greatest

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<v Speaker 1>event in world history since the birth of Jesus Christ,

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<v Speaker 1>and treated atomic science as a kind of religious secret.

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<v Speaker 1>You couldn't really be sure what scientists were doing, but

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<v Speaker 1>chances were it had to do with war, and by

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<v Speaker 1>Crechton's adulthood, the Vietnam War had called the worship of

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<v Speaker 1>science into question, knocked the scientists off their plints. All

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<v Speaker 1>of this finds a place in the paranoid plot of

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<v Speaker 1>the Andromeda strain. Crechton was very upset about that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of secrecy. This is Hallmark. What he's so effective at

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<v Speaker 1>doing is taking the kind of incoate emotions about emerging

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<v Speaker 1>science and technology and telling readers what they should be

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<v Speaker 1>afraid of what specifically. During the years Crechton was in

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<v Speaker 1>college and medical school, his fellow students were afraid of

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<v Speaker 1>the secrets being kept from them, the things their professors

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<v Speaker 1>did in the name of national security. Students protested at

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<v Speaker 1>universities across the country. They tried to hold their universities

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<v Speaker 1>to account. The year Crechton finished Harvard Medical School nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty nine, Harvard undergraduates occupied university Hall and kicked out

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<v Speaker 1>the president and the deans. They clashed with police officers violently.

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<v Speaker 1>On the day Crechton graduated, the mood was tense. This

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<v Speaker 1>commencement isn't a property, it is an obstanity. Our interested

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<v Speaker 1>students do not lie in the key party with these criminals,

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<v Speaker 1>these fewty benets and rocket fallers. It lies in fighting them,

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<v Speaker 1>in alliance with the people, and we should get out

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<v Speaker 1>of here. NBC News reported that for the first time

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<v Speaker 1>in Harvard's history, students walked out of their own graduation ceremony.

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<v Speaker 1>Some threatened to burn their diplomas. I don't know if

0:17:55.356 --> 0:17:57.996
<v Speaker 1>Michael Crechton walked out or not, but that tension, that

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<v Speaker 1>skepticism of the establishment and especially of the secrecy of

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<v Speaker 1>government science, it's all over his work. In the Andromeda Strain,

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<v Speaker 1>most of the scientists don't even know the original purpose

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<v Speaker 1>of that Scoops satellite. They came crashing back down to Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know much more than when we got here.

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<v Speaker 1>We know about Scoop now, it's possible, but Scoop found

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<v Speaker 1>was no accident. I suspect they were looking for the

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<v Speaker 1>ultimate biological weapon. The Andromedis Strain is about a world

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<v Speaker 1>where the government pays scientists to develop weapons that could

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<v Speaker 1>wipe out life on Earth, and it's all done in secret.

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<v Speaker 1>At Harvard an mit. In nineteen sixty nine, when students

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<v Speaker 1>found out the kind of work their professors were doing

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<v Speaker 1>for the war in Vietnam, napalm, psychological warfare, they held

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<v Speaker 1>protests and even staged mock trials. In the Andromedis Strain,

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<v Speaker 1>the scientists themselves come to realize what their work is

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<v Speaker 1>really for. Wildfire was built for jerm warfare, wildfire and

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<v Speaker 1>Scoop's not true, Ruth, I learned about Scoop the same

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<v Speaker 1>time you did. The purpose of Scoop was to find

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<v Speaker 1>new biological weapons in outer space and then used wildfire

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<v Speaker 1>to develop them. It's stink Stall, you're clawing your tops.

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<v Speaker 1>We have no another giant leap from any kind. I

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<v Speaker 1>wish I could believe you. The SCOOP satellite hadn't just

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<v Speaker 1>accidentally brought home this terrible pathogen. It had been sent

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<v Speaker 1>to search for possible biological weapons. Crichton was raising an alarm,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of people shared his fears, not least

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<v Speaker 1>because of all the revelations about chemical warfare in Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 1>Hear the androministran came out in theaters. Crechton published an

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<v Speaker 1>op ed in The New York Times decrying scientific secrecy.

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<v Speaker 1>He believes that there are lessons from physics that life science.

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<v Speaker 1>Life scientists should be learning, that they should be integrating

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<v Speaker 1>an effort to deal with accountability and social responsibility into

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<v Speaker 1>the mainstream of science. And he's upset because he sees

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<v Speaker 1>that possibility slipping away. Do you want to cultivate a

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<v Speaker 1>humility and self reflection? Absolutely? In some ways, Crichton's critique

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<v Speaker 1>caught on, or at least public support for government funded

0:20:15.236 --> 0:20:20.756
<v Speaker 1>scientific research seemed to fall, which wasn't really a good thing. Gradually,

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<v Speaker 1>the Apollo Missians lost the public support. In nineteen seventy two,

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<v Speaker 1>NASA terminated the program. We went to the Moon, we

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<v Speaker 1>came back, and then we stayed home and confronted a

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<v Speaker 1>different plague. Seventy you've got to come and be automating. Five.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you around it, so Fa Shafe gives time, or

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<v Speaker 1>the judgments, day's gonna shake his money? Where has been?

0:21:05.916 --> 0:21:22.236
<v Speaker 1>Or Carrots down and Strong. Michael Crichton's novel The Andromeda

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<v Speaker 1>Strain came out in nineteen sixty nine. In nineteen seventy six,

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<v Speaker 1>another disease appeared to be in the air. It didn't

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<v Speaker 1>come from space. It came, it seemed from pigs. Joe

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<v Speaker 1>brought it home from the office. He gave it to

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<v Speaker 1>Betty and one of these kids, and to Betty's mother,

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<v Speaker 1>But Betty's mother went back to California the next day.

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<v Speaker 1>On her way to the airport, she gave it to

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<v Speaker 1>a cab driver, a ticket engine and one of the

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<v Speaker 1>charming stewards at Scoop Joe's kid gave it to some

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<v Speaker 1>other kids, and missus Merrill got it and gave it

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<v Speaker 1>to her husband In California. Betty's mother gave it to

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<v Speaker 1>her best friend Dotty, but Dotty had a heart condition

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<v Speaker 1>and she died before she died. This uncanny and really

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<v Speaker 1>hard to listen to public service announcement is part of

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<v Speaker 1>a much forgotten moment in public health history, the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy six swine flu scare. If a swine flu epidemic comes,

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<v Speaker 1>this is how it could spread. You will want to

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<v Speaker 1>be protected, especially if you're elderly or chronically ill. Get

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<v Speaker 1>a shot of protection, a swine flu shot. The story

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<v Speaker 1>begins just after New Year's Day nineteen seventy six. Fort Dix,

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<v Speaker 1>an army base in New Jersey. The barracks filled up

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<v Speaker 1>with new recruits. A couple of weeks later, some of

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<v Speaker 1>them started to get sick. It looked like the flu,

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<v Speaker 1>a bad flu. People went to the hospital. One man died.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctors from the Centers for Disease Control were sent samples

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<v Speaker 1>of the virus. By mid February, they'd run their tests,

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<v Speaker 1>four came back positive for swine flu. Today, there is

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<v Speaker 1>news of a new potentially very dangerous influenza strain. Health

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<v Speaker 1>officials say it may be related to the strain that

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<v Speaker 1>killed so many people in nineteen eighteen. In nineteen eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>an influenza pandemic took the lives of fifty million people worldwide.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a flu strain that jumped species and infected humans.

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<v Speaker 1>So in nineteen seventy six, swine flu wasn't a completely

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<v Speaker 1>novel virus, But scientists believe if you hadn't been alive

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighteen, you wouldn't have immunity. There's no vaccine

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<v Speaker 1>for the new swine virus, but one could be developed

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<v Speaker 1>if there's an epidemic. Antibody tests seemed to indicate that

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<v Speaker 1>as many as five hundred recruits at Fort Dix had

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<v Speaker 1>been infected by swine flu. It hadn't been detected outside

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<v Speaker 1>the base yet, but it could be silently spreading. The

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<v Speaker 1>head of the CDC, doctor David Sensor, wanted a vaccine made,

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<v Speaker 1>and he wanted as many Americans as possible to get it.

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<v Speaker 1>He said it was unacceptable to plan for less than

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent coverage. He made his urgently to President

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<v Speaker 1>Gerald Ford. Implementing this vaccination program would cost one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and thirty four million dollars, but without it, Ford's advisers

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<v Speaker 1>projected that as many as a million Americans could die

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<v Speaker 1>from the flu in nineteen seventy six alone. Ford faced

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<v Speaker 1>two bad options. He would look terrible if he spent

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<v Speaker 1>the money and no pandemic came. If he didn't pull

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<v Speaker 1>the trigger and the pandemic did come, he would look

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<v Speaker 1>even worse. In in nineteen seventy six, he was facing

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<v Speaker 1>an election. I am asking each and every American to

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<v Speaker 1>make certain he or she receives an inoculation this fall.

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<v Speaker 1>The facts that have been presented to me in the

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<v Speaker 1>last few days have come from many of the best

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<v Speaker 1>medical minds in this country. Ford approved the massive inoculation budget.

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<v Speaker 1>The vaccine was to be grown in chicken eggs. The

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<v Speaker 1>Secretary of Agriculture got involved, telling everyone the roosters of

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<v Speaker 1>America are ready to do their duty. Pretty much immediately though,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of Americans were suspicious of the national vaccine plan.

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<v Speaker 1>As you know if you listen to the first season

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<v Speaker 1>of The Last Archive, Americans have historically always been suspicious

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<v Speaker 1>of national vaccine plans. Also, think about for his awkward position,

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<v Speaker 1>he'd become president in nineteen seventy four, when Nixon resigned,

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<v Speaker 1>and then, despite all the criminality the Watergate hearings had exposed,

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<v Speaker 1>Ford had pardoned Nixon. Some people thought this vaccine program

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<v Speaker 1>looked more political than scientific, as if either Ford were

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<v Speaker 1>getting pressured by the scientists, or else he was pressuring

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<v Speaker 1>the scientists to make him look good. The administration's plan

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<v Speaker 1>to inoculate nearly everybody against swine flu is in trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>Quickly things got harry. Legal battles very nearly held up

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<v Speaker 1>the whole vaccination project. Then when the vaccines were finally

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<v Speaker 1>rolled out, it all went to hell. Now four thousand

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<v Speaker 1>Americans acclaiming damages from Uncle Sam think to three and

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<v Speaker 1>a half billion dollars because of what happened when they

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<v Speaker 1>took that shot. That's from a sixteen minutes investigation that

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<v Speaker 1>came out a few years later. In nineteen seventy six.

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<v Speaker 1>The government had mobilized the country with ads urging Americans

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<v Speaker 1>to roll up your sleeves. Millions had obliged, But then

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<v Speaker 1>came reports that a small number of people who were

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<v Speaker 1>vaccinated had developed something called killone Baret syndrome, a sort

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<v Speaker 1>of paralysis in that sixteen minutes documentary Mike Wallace quirrelled

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<v Speaker 1>now XCDC head David Sensor about how much the public

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<v Speaker 1>knew about the risks. You didn't feel it was necessary

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<v Speaker 1>to tell the con people that information. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>over the years we have tried to inform the American

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<v Speaker 1>people as fully as possible. It really did look as

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<v Speaker 1>though the government had been lying, even though it hadn't.

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<v Speaker 1>But the government had another problem. It turned out that

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<v Speaker 1>the virus never spread past the army base. There was

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<v Speaker 1>no swine flu pandemic. This, of course, wasn't really a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a good thing, it was a great thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but it did make the government look terrible. The vaccine

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<v Speaker 1>program was suspended. It was a public relations disaster, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a time bomb for public health. The scientists

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<v Speaker 1>had thought universal vaccination would be at worst a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to educate the public about the wonders of preventative medicine,

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<v Speaker 1>the power of scientific forethought, and at best it would

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<v Speaker 1>stave off a pandemic, save millions of lives. But the

0:27:44.516 --> 0:27:48.076
<v Speaker 1>public did not seem educated. The public seemed angry and scared.

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<v Speaker 1>Sixty minutes interviewed the husband of a woman who had

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<v Speaker 1>become terribly sick a man with my government because they

0:27:57.316 --> 0:28:00.196
<v Speaker 1>knew the facts, but they didn't release those facts because

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<v Speaker 1>if they had releasing the people wouldn't have taken. And

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<v Speaker 1>they can come out tomorrow and tell me there's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be an epidemic, and they can drop off like

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<v Speaker 1>lives makes me. I will not take another shot of

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<v Speaker 1>my government tells me to take. This old sixty minutes

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<v Speaker 1>documentary is now on the internet. Anti vaxers share it

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, again and again. That's the surviving legacy

0:28:25.076 --> 0:28:30.796
<v Speaker 1>of the swine flu campaign of nineteen seventy six. A

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years after the fiasco, the US Department of Health, Education,

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<v Speaker 1>and Welfare publish a report trying to figure out what

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<v Speaker 1>exactly had gone wrong. Toward the end, the author shared

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<v Speaker 1>something they'd heard from a science reporter. The CDC was

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<v Speaker 1>almost the last federal agency widely regarded by reporters and

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<v Speaker 1>producers as a good thing, responsible, respectable, scientific, above suspicion.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the CDC's lost its innocence. Innocence lost, and what

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<v Speaker 1>would replace it? Disillusion and doubt. This episode started with

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<v Speaker 1>a moon plague that never came. Instead came the Andromeda strain.

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<v Speaker 1>The book and the film, a story about why you

0:29:24.676 --> 0:29:27.636
<v Speaker 1>can't trust government scientists who do their work in secret.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy six, that fear broke out into the

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<v Speaker 1>real world with the swine flew pandemic that wasn't but

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<v Speaker 1>hold onto your face mask because this virus is mutating

0:29:38.676 --> 0:29:44.796
<v Speaker 1>one more time into the worst strain of all. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety, Michael Crichton, nearly fifty years old, was still

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<v Speaker 1>on top of the world. That year, his newest book,

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<v Speaker 1>Jurassic Park, electrified readers with yet another tale of scientific hubris,

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<v Speaker 1>reeking havoc, not by way of an alien biological weapon,

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<v Speaker 1>but by way of dinosaur DNA. People hadn't forgotten Crechton's

0:30:04.716 --> 0:30:07.636
<v Speaker 1>first book, though he said he'd begun to get phone calls.

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<v Speaker 1>People wanted him to speak at medical conventions about a

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<v Speaker 1>new disease from a pathogen that they claimed the US

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<v Speaker 1>government had had a hand in creating, just like the

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<v Speaker 1>fictional Andromeda strain. In late nineteen eighty and early nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty one, five gay men in Los Angeles developed a

0:30:28.556 --> 0:30:33.356
<v Speaker 1>series of strange, rare infections. Their immune systems weren't working.

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<v Speaker 1>People began to die in September of nineteen eighty two,

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<v Speaker 1>the CDC gave the sickness a name, Acquired Immune deficiency

0:30:42.756 --> 0:30:49.476
<v Speaker 1>Syndrome AIDS. AIDS is caused by HIV, the human immuno

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<v Speaker 1>deficiency virus. Most people catch HIV through sex, though it

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<v Speaker 1>can be transmitted through blood too. It originated in primates,

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<v Speaker 1>then jumped to humans in West Central Africa in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventies. While Americans worried about moon plagues, andromeda strains,

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<v Speaker 1>and swine flus, HIV was already spreading, though it didn't

0:31:10.236 --> 0:31:13.756
<v Speaker 1>yet have a name. Scientist f the National Centers for

0:31:13.876 --> 0:31:16.716
<v Speaker 1>Disease Control and at LATA. They released the results of

0:31:16.796 --> 0:31:20.316
<v Speaker 1>a study which shows that the lifestyle of some male

0:31:20.436 --> 0:31:24.556
<v Speaker 1>homosexuals has triggered an epidemic of a rare form of cancer.

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<v Speaker 1>That's NBC News. In one of the earliest broadcast reports

0:31:29.276 --> 0:31:33.156
<v Speaker 1>about AIDS in the United States, a lot remained unknown.

0:31:33.876 --> 0:31:37.556
<v Speaker 1>There was confusion and discord. Then in July of nineteen

0:31:37.636 --> 0:31:40.516
<v Speaker 1>eighty three, a newspaper in India ran on its front

0:31:40.556 --> 0:31:45.796
<v Speaker 1>page an anonymous letter to the editor. AIDS, a deadly,

0:31:45.876 --> 0:31:48.956
<v Speaker 1>mysterious disease which has caused HAVOC in the US, is

0:31:48.996 --> 0:31:51.916
<v Speaker 1>believed to be the result of the Pentagon's experiments to

0:31:52.036 --> 0:31:57.076
<v Speaker 1>develop new and dangerous biological weapons. The letter writer claimed

0:31:57.116 --> 0:31:59.756
<v Speaker 1>that the US government had created AIDS in a lab

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<v Speaker 1>on a US base called Fort Petrich. This story is

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<v Speaker 1>not true. It's Soviet disinformation. It came the KGB. We

0:32:10.556 --> 0:32:14.316
<v Speaker 1>know this because a former top ranking intelligence official admitted

0:32:14.356 --> 0:32:18.516
<v Speaker 1>as much. Years later, the Stasi called it Operation Denver.

0:32:19.356 --> 0:32:23.796
<v Speaker 1>Americans came to call it Operation Infection. In nineteen eighty five,

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviets published another article promoting the myth. That same year,

0:32:28.396 --> 0:32:32.076
<v Speaker 1>an East German scientist published a report supposedly proving that

0:32:32.316 --> 0:32:36.036
<v Speaker 1>HIV was a man made virus. And then a KGB

0:32:36.316 --> 0:32:40.116
<v Speaker 1>really got going, telegramming instructions about the project to their

0:32:40.156 --> 0:32:45.916
<v Speaker 1>colleagues and places like Bulgaria. The goal of these measures

0:32:46.196 --> 0:32:49.676
<v Speaker 1>is to create an opinion that this disease is the

0:32:49.836 --> 0:32:54.316
<v Speaker 1>result of secret experiments with a new type of biological

0:32:54.436 --> 0:32:58.516
<v Speaker 1>weapon by the secret services of the USA and the

0:32:58.676 --> 0:33:06.396
<v Speaker 1>Pentagon that spun out of control. The disinformation had been planted, cultivated,

0:33:06.796 --> 0:33:10.476
<v Speaker 1>and now it was ready to harvest. Good Evening. This

0:33:10.836 --> 0:33:14.556
<v Speaker 1>is the CBS Evening News Day and rather reporting. Nineteen

0:33:14.596 --> 0:33:18.676
<v Speaker 1>eighty seven millions of Americans watched CBS News every night.

0:33:19.596 --> 0:33:23.676
<v Speaker 1>A Soviet military publication claims the virus that causes AIDS

0:33:23.916 --> 0:33:28.196
<v Speaker 1>leaked from a US Army laboratory conducting experiments in biological warfare.

0:33:28.436 --> 0:33:31.156
<v Speaker 1>The article offers no hard evidence, but claims to be

0:33:31.236 --> 0:33:35.356
<v Speaker 1>reporting the conclusions of unnamed scientists in the United States, Britain,

0:33:35.396 --> 0:33:39.156
<v Speaker 1>and East Germany last October of Soviet newspaper relays to

0:33:39.276 --> 0:33:41.676
<v Speaker 1>this day, a not small number of people believed that

0:33:41.756 --> 0:33:45.756
<v Speaker 1>AIDS is a man made disease. The US government made disease?

0:33:47.716 --> 0:33:51.636
<v Speaker 1>What made so many Americans susceptible to a Soviet disinformation campaign?

0:33:52.276 --> 0:33:57.556
<v Speaker 1>What had so far weakened their immunity? In the nineteen seventies,

0:33:57.716 --> 0:34:00.636
<v Speaker 1>Americans learned that the government had continued to do secret

0:34:00.676 --> 0:34:04.396
<v Speaker 1>research long after the US withdrawal from Vietnam. In nineteen

0:34:04.436 --> 0:34:08.796
<v Speaker 1>seventy five, journalists broke stories about MK Ultra, the CIA

0:34:08.836 --> 0:34:13.796
<v Speaker 1>prom that tested psychedelics on unsuspecting military personnel, prisoners, and

0:34:13.916 --> 0:34:18.676
<v Speaker 1>just ordinary citizens. These insanely unethical experiments were in the

0:34:18.716 --> 0:34:21.836
<v Speaker 1>service of something even worse, drugs as a form of

0:34:21.916 --> 0:34:27.676
<v Speaker 1>mind control. Then came another revelation of horrible malfeasance, for

0:34:27.876 --> 0:34:31.356
<v Speaker 1>forty years, government scientists had studied the effects of syphilis

0:34:31.476 --> 0:34:34.916
<v Speaker 1>on black patients at Tuskegee. By failing to treat them,

0:34:35.636 --> 0:34:40.276
<v Speaker 1>watching them suffer and die, the US government had committed

0:34:40.316 --> 0:34:44.996
<v Speaker 1>horrible wrongs. Russian disinformation works weirdly a lot like a

0:34:45.076 --> 0:34:48.836
<v Speaker 1>Michael Crichton's story. Use real facts, real places, some fake

0:34:48.876 --> 0:34:51.556
<v Speaker 1>studies that look real, and then spin them out into

0:34:51.636 --> 0:34:55.516
<v Speaker 1>something unreal, but, depending on your point of view, just believable.

0:34:56.676 --> 0:35:00.916
<v Speaker 1>Fort Dietrich, the lab that conspiracy theorists said manufactured aids, Well,

0:35:00.956 --> 0:35:02.796
<v Speaker 1>it really was a Fort Dietrich, and it really did

0:35:02.876 --> 0:35:06.516
<v Speaker 1>work on biological weapons. It also played a central role

0:35:06.556 --> 0:35:09.956
<v Speaker 1>in MK Ultra. That lad continues to be in the

0:35:10.036 --> 0:35:13.996
<v Speaker 1>headlines today, at least in the headlines of conspiracy theorists.

0:35:18.116 --> 0:35:21.476
<v Speaker 1>We have watched the news in horror as story after

0:35:21.716 --> 0:35:25.836
<v Speaker 1>story unfolded revealing that the Army and the Central Intelligence

0:35:25.876 --> 0:35:29.796
<v Speaker 1>Agency had released germs and viruses into the population to

0:35:29.996 --> 0:35:34.716
<v Speaker 1>test their biological warfare capability. That's real. Audio from Milton

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<v Speaker 1>William Cooper, one of history's most influential conspiracy theorists. He

0:35:38.716 --> 0:35:41.196
<v Speaker 1>had a radio show called The Hour of the Time,

0:35:41.836 --> 0:35:44.276
<v Speaker 1>broadcast out of his house on a hill in Arizona.

0:35:45.276 --> 0:35:47.476
<v Speaker 1>He sounds like a computer. This is his version of

0:35:47.596 --> 0:35:51.956
<v Speaker 1>masculine scientific authority. But this is really his voice. Cover

0:35:52.156 --> 0:35:56.596
<v Speaker 1>up has become standard operating procedure at all levels and

0:35:56.796 --> 0:36:01.476
<v Speaker 1>in all departments of government. Do we dream reality or

0:36:01.676 --> 0:36:05.916
<v Speaker 1>is reality a dream? Cooper worked from the same playbook

0:36:05.956 --> 0:36:09.876
<v Speaker 1>as Russian disinformation and the Andromedist train. A seed of

0:36:09.916 --> 0:36:13.236
<v Speaker 1>truth than a great big tree of doubt. He claimed

0:36:13.276 --> 0:36:15.756
<v Speaker 1>the CDC had spread AIDS during vaccine trials in the

0:36:15.836 --> 0:36:18.836
<v Speaker 1>late nineteen seventies, just after the swine flu vaccine debacle.

0:36:19.436 --> 0:36:22.276
<v Speaker 1>He claimed the CDC had looked for gay volunteers as

0:36:22.316 --> 0:36:25.436
<v Speaker 1>part of a plan to target undesirable elements of society.

0:36:26.156 --> 0:36:29.276
<v Speaker 1>And that's crazy, sure, But then listen to this notorious

0:36:29.356 --> 0:36:32.636
<v Speaker 1>recording from nineteen eighty two, the first time AIDS came

0:36:32.756 --> 0:36:36.356
<v Speaker 1>up in a White House press briefing. Because the President

0:36:36.516 --> 0:36:40.196
<v Speaker 1>have any reactions to the announced from the Center for

0:36:40.356 --> 0:36:45.036
<v Speaker 1>Disease Control of Atlanta that AIDS is now an epidemic

0:36:45.156 --> 0:36:52.596
<v Speaker 1>in six hund six hundred cases. It's known as gay play.

0:36:55.316 --> 0:36:56.996
<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, I mean it's a pretty serious thing that

0:36:57.516 --> 0:36:59.796
<v Speaker 1>one and every three people. Again, this shod died, and

0:36:59.876 --> 0:37:01.716
<v Speaker 1>I wondered if the president are going to wear anything?

0:37:02.396 --> 0:37:05.236
<v Speaker 1>I don't have it? Are you do you? You don't

0:37:05.356 --> 0:37:10.916
<v Speaker 1>have it? Well, I'm relieved that you didn't answer my question.

0:37:11.436 --> 0:37:14.556
<v Speaker 1>How do you know the White House looks on this

0:37:14.716 --> 0:37:16.596
<v Speaker 1>is a great job now? I don't know a thing

0:37:16.636 --> 0:37:19.996
<v Speaker 1>about it last year. Does anybody in the White House

0:37:20.076 --> 0:37:22.836
<v Speaker 1>know about this epidemic? Laurie, I don't think so. I

0:37:22.876 --> 0:37:28.196
<v Speaker 1>don't think there's been no personal experience here Leicester. So yeah,

0:37:28.236 --> 0:37:31.356
<v Speaker 1>there's no shortage of evidence. Homophobia played a real role

0:37:31.396 --> 0:37:35.476
<v Speaker 1>in the government's negligent response. Reagan didn't say the word

0:37:35.516 --> 0:37:39.396
<v Speaker 1>AIDS in public until nineteen eighty five. The federal government

0:37:39.476 --> 0:37:42.516
<v Speaker 1>did virtually nothing to study it, nothing to halt it spread,

0:37:42.636 --> 0:37:46.676
<v Speaker 1>nothing even to warn people about it. Activists made posters

0:37:46.756 --> 0:37:51.156
<v Speaker 1>that said silence equals death. There was no cabal of

0:37:51.236 --> 0:37:56.156
<v Speaker 1>secret scientists, no biological warfare, just a conspiracy of disregard

0:37:56.276 --> 0:37:59.076
<v Speaker 1>for human life. And if you were gay or black

0:37:59.236 --> 0:38:02.556
<v Speaker 1>or both in the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties, you

0:38:02.596 --> 0:38:06.516
<v Speaker 1>would know this. The government didn't seem to care if

0:38:06.556 --> 0:38:13.316
<v Speaker 1>you died. This episode this season so far has been

0:38:13.356 --> 0:38:16.356
<v Speaker 1>filled with a lot of bullshit. It's important to look

0:38:16.356 --> 0:38:18.916
<v Speaker 1>at how bullshitters gained so much power in the twentieth

0:38:18.956 --> 0:38:21.916
<v Speaker 1>century down to our own day. But I just want

0:38:21.956 --> 0:38:24.436
<v Speaker 1>to make space for a moment for the truth about AIDS.

0:38:25.516 --> 0:38:27.756
<v Speaker 1>Since the start of the AIDS pandemic, over thirty three

0:38:27.796 --> 0:38:31.276
<v Speaker 1>million people have died from the disease. At the end

0:38:31.316 --> 0:38:34.556
<v Speaker 1>of twenty nineteen, thirty eight million people were still living

0:38:34.596 --> 0:38:38.996
<v Speaker 1>with it. Meanwhile, all of us, all of us have

0:38:39.196 --> 0:38:41.476
<v Speaker 1>been infected with this other disease that I've been trying

0:38:41.476 --> 0:38:44.476
<v Speaker 1>to tell you about, the pathogen we're trying to isolate

0:38:44.596 --> 0:38:48.356
<v Speaker 1>here in the last archive, the disease of being unable

0:38:48.476 --> 0:38:55.796
<v Speaker 1>any longer to know anything for sure. Operation infection never ended.

0:38:56.636 --> 0:38:59.356
<v Speaker 1>It makes all the real diseases we face worse, and

0:38:59.516 --> 0:39:02.596
<v Speaker 1>Lord knows there are real diseases. We want to begin

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<v Speaker 1>with the latest coronavirus case numbers, as we often do,

0:39:05.196 --> 0:39:07.876
<v Speaker 1>from Johns Hopkins University. Now more than one hundred and

0:39:07.956 --> 0:39:12.036
<v Speaker 1>fifty point five coronavirus infections confirmed worldwide, deaths in the

0:39:12.156 --> 0:39:17.756
<v Speaker 1>US now exceeding five hundred and seventy five thousand. Real

0:39:17.876 --> 0:39:22.836
<v Speaker 1>diseases tangled up with imaginary ones, A slew of COVID

0:39:22.956 --> 0:39:26.676
<v Speaker 1>nineteen misinformation has been going viral on social media. One

0:39:26.836 --> 0:39:31.196
<v Speaker 1>video making the rounds is called Plandemic. The documentary film

0:39:31.236 --> 0:39:35.116
<v Speaker 1>Plandemic came out early in the coronavirus pandemic in twenty twenty.

0:39:35.916 --> 0:39:37.876
<v Speaker 1>It was one of the most popular things on social

0:39:37.956 --> 0:39:41.356
<v Speaker 1>media for a while, spreading faster than the virus. It

0:39:41.516 --> 0:39:46.396
<v Speaker 1>features a scientist named Judy Mikeovitz. Mikeovitz worked at the

0:39:46.476 --> 0:39:49.236
<v Speaker 1>National Cancer Institute and made her name with a paper

0:39:49.276 --> 0:39:52.236
<v Speaker 1>in the journal Science that advanced suspect claims about the

0:39:52.316 --> 0:39:56.356
<v Speaker 1>root cause of the mysterious chronic fatigue syndrome. Science had

0:39:56.356 --> 0:40:00.396
<v Speaker 1>to retract. The paper was a huge scandal. Then Mikeowitz

0:40:00.436 --> 0:40:03.676
<v Speaker 1>was arrested and charged with allegedly stealing information from a

0:40:03.756 --> 0:40:07.076
<v Speaker 1>former employer. The charges were dropped, but for a few

0:40:07.156 --> 0:40:11.396
<v Speaker 1>years she pretty much vanished. In April twenty twenty, just

0:40:11.556 --> 0:40:14.396
<v Speaker 1>a few months into the COVID nineteen pandemic, mike E.

0:40:14.436 --> 0:40:18.636
<v Speaker 1>Fitz reappeared with a book called Plague of Corruption. Then

0:40:18.796 --> 0:40:22.036
<v Speaker 1>she appeared in Plandemic. She seemed to take on the

0:40:22.076 --> 0:40:25.276
<v Speaker 1>scientific establishment like a character out of a Michael Crichton novel.

0:40:25.756 --> 0:40:29.556
<v Speaker 1>Her popularity exploded. I think that's because this video, it's

0:40:29.596 --> 0:40:32.156
<v Speaker 1>as if all the Apollo and Andromeda and AIDS are

0:40:32.276 --> 0:40:36.236
<v Speaker 1>conspiracies and stories had all been edited together into one

0:40:36.356 --> 0:40:40.676
<v Speaker 1>giant ball of craziness. Think of how many people the

0:40:41.036 --> 0:40:47.116
<v Speaker 1>entire continent of Africa you lost a generation as that

0:40:47.476 --> 0:40:51.476
<v Speaker 1>virus was spread through because of the arrogance of a

0:40:51.596 --> 0:40:54.756
<v Speaker 1>group of people, And it includes Robert Redfield, who's now

0:40:54.836 --> 0:40:58.636
<v Speaker 1>the head of the CDC right along with Tony Fauci.

0:40:58.716 --> 0:41:02.476
<v Speaker 1>They were working together to take credit and make money,

0:41:02.636 --> 0:41:05.756
<v Speaker 1>and they had the patents on it, and had that

0:41:05.996 --> 0:41:11.596
<v Speaker 1>not happened, millions wouldn't have died from HIV. Lie after

0:41:11.716 --> 0:41:15.756
<v Speaker 1>lie after lie. This next stuff about Ebola more lies.

0:41:16.356 --> 0:41:19.876
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen ninety nine, I was working in Fort Dietrich

0:41:19.956 --> 0:41:22.796
<v Speaker 1>in you Sam read there, and my job was to

0:41:23.796 --> 0:41:27.716
<v Speaker 1>teach Ebola how to infect human cells without killing them.

0:41:27.996 --> 0:41:32.636
<v Speaker 1>Ebola couldn't infect human cells until we took it in

0:41:32.756 --> 0:41:36.596
<v Speaker 1>the laboratories and talking. This comes straight out of the

0:41:36.676 --> 0:41:41.036
<v Speaker 1>soviets earlier disinformation campaign Fort Dietrich. That's the same lab

0:41:41.116 --> 0:41:43.596
<v Speaker 1>where the Russians said the US cooked up the AIDS virus,

0:41:44.476 --> 0:41:46.836
<v Speaker 1>and even at the start of the pandemic Michamitz didn't

0:41:46.876 --> 0:41:50.436
<v Speaker 1>hesitate to stoke fears about a potential vaccine. If we

0:41:50.796 --> 0:41:55.396
<v Speaker 1>activate mandatory vaccines globally, I imagine these people stand to

0:41:55.436 --> 0:41:57.636
<v Speaker 1>make hundreds of billions of dollars that own the vaccines,

0:41:57.996 --> 0:42:01.876
<v Speaker 1>and they'll kill millions, as they already have with their vaccines.

0:42:02.196 --> 0:42:07.116
<v Speaker 1>There is no vaccine currently on the schedule for any

0:42:07.436 --> 0:42:13.436
<v Speaker 1>RNA virus that works. Millions of people watched Plandemic. Even

0:42:13.516 --> 0:42:16.316
<v Speaker 1>when the big social media platforms took it down. People

0:42:16.396 --> 0:42:19.276
<v Speaker 1>kept reposting it as if they alone could stand up

0:42:19.316 --> 0:42:23.836
<v Speaker 1>to some vast conspiracy of secrecy. In the video, Mikerovitz

0:42:23.916 --> 0:42:27.556
<v Speaker 1>encourages people not to wear masks. These are the kinds

0:42:27.556 --> 0:42:30.316
<v Speaker 1>of ideas that spread like viruses and could kill like

0:42:30.436 --> 0:42:34.636
<v Speaker 1>them too. In Plandemic, it's as if time stopped in

0:42:34.796 --> 0:42:39.036
<v Speaker 1>some stagnant pool of the nineteen seventies. The nineteen seventies

0:42:39.036 --> 0:42:44.156
<v Speaker 1>are over. Kip past it. Michael Crechton he never really

0:42:44.196 --> 0:42:46.676
<v Speaker 1>got past it. In the year two thousand and four,

0:42:46.796 --> 0:42:50.436
<v Speaker 1>he published State of Fear, another hit, another story about

0:42:50.476 --> 0:42:54.516
<v Speaker 1>science randomok, only this time it wasn't about Vietnam or

0:42:54.596 --> 0:42:58.796
<v Speaker 1>German warfare or the perils of DNA research. It was

0:42:58.796 --> 0:43:01.996
<v Speaker 1>about the science behind global warming and how Crechton didn't

0:43:02.036 --> 0:43:05.756
<v Speaker 1>trust it, how he doubted it. President George W. Bush

0:43:05.836 --> 0:43:08.516
<v Speaker 1>devoured the book. Crechton met him at the White House,

0:43:08.836 --> 0:43:12.596
<v Speaker 1>and he testified before the Senate. What is an issue?

0:43:12.796 --> 0:43:15.796
<v Speaker 1>It's further the methodology of climate science. It is sufficiently

0:43:15.916 --> 0:43:21.796
<v Speaker 1>rigorous to yield a reliable result. It seems to me

0:43:22.116 --> 0:43:24.956
<v Speaker 1>that all his life Michael Crichton was just looking for something,

0:43:25.356 --> 0:43:29.916
<v Speaker 1>anything to believe in, and not finding it. I asked

0:43:29.956 --> 0:43:33.036
<v Speaker 1>the Crichton expert, Joanna Raidin, about that. She said, he'd

0:43:33.076 --> 0:43:36.116
<v Speaker 1>been raised Presbyterian, but he is, as far as I know,

0:43:36.436 --> 0:43:43.676
<v Speaker 1>was not practicing. Was not a churchgoing person, but rather

0:43:43.876 --> 0:43:47.116
<v Speaker 1>he really embraced the kind of new age, the sort

0:43:47.116 --> 0:43:50.876
<v Speaker 1>of religious new age that is dawning when he's in college.

0:43:50.996 --> 0:43:53.796
<v Speaker 1>But he goes on a number of like kind of

0:43:53.996 --> 0:43:57.076
<v Speaker 1>vision quests. He learns how to read auras. But the

0:43:57.156 --> 0:43:59.676
<v Speaker 1>whole time that he's doing this, he's you can sense

0:43:59.796 --> 0:44:04.396
<v Speaker 1>that he feels the emptiness, the failures of the secular

0:44:04.596 --> 0:44:08.316
<v Speaker 1>to give meaning to the ways that life is being

0:44:08.396 --> 0:44:12.556
<v Speaker 1>transformed in the time that he's living. You feel almost

0:44:12.596 --> 0:44:18.076
<v Speaker 1>a desperateness in the way that he's seeking. Michael Crichton

0:44:18.156 --> 0:44:21.796
<v Speaker 1>went on vision quests, he consulted with a parapsychologist. Like

0:44:21.956 --> 0:44:24.476
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people, he was groping for the answer

0:44:24.596 --> 0:44:28.596
<v Speaker 1>to what happens when God dies. All the people who

0:44:28.716 --> 0:44:31.436
<v Speaker 1>deny science, who think AIDS was made in a lab,

0:44:31.916 --> 0:44:35.196
<v Speaker 1>who say masks or a conspiracy, who watch wildfires burn

0:44:35.276 --> 0:44:37.796
<v Speaker 1>in the West and doubt that there's something changing about

0:44:37.836 --> 0:44:41.916
<v Speaker 1>the climate. All those people descend from that moment that

0:44:42.116 --> 0:44:47.436
<v Speaker 1>Michael Crichton never got past nineteen sixty nine, that moment

0:44:47.756 --> 0:44:51.196
<v Speaker 1>when we raised science to the heavens and then watched

0:44:51.236 --> 0:44:55.036
<v Speaker 1>it all come hurtling back down to Earth, not God's

0:44:55.836 --> 0:45:00.876
<v Speaker 1>but humans. After all, Now it's been ten thousand years,

0:45:01.716 --> 0:45:06.876
<v Speaker 1>Man has right a billion tears or what he never knew.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Man's reign is true, but thrue eternal night, the

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<v Speaker 1>twinkling of starlight so very far away. Maybe it's only

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<v Speaker 1>est game in the twenty five twenty five If Man Survive.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode was written by me Jillapour with Ben Natt

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<v Speaker 1>of Haffrey. It's produced by Sophie Crane mckibbon and Ben

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<v Speaker 1>Natt of Haffrey. Our editor is Julia Barton and our

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<v Speaker 1>executive producer is milo'bell. Martin Gonzalez is our engineer. Fact

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<v Speaker 1>checking by Emy Gain's original music by Matthias Bossie and

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<v Speaker 1>John Evans, Stillwagon Symfinette. Our research assistants are Kimanie Panthier

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<v Speaker 1>and Lily Richmond. Our full proof players are Yoshia Mao,

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<v Speaker 1>Raymond Blankenhorn, Matthias Bossi, Dan Epstein, Ethan Herschenfeld, Becka A. Lewis,

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew Parella, Robert Ricotta, and Nick Saxton. The Last Archive

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<v Speaker 1>is a production of Pushkin Industries. At Pushkin thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>Jacob Weisberg, Heather Fame, John Schnars, Carli Migliori, Christina Sullivan,

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Sandler, Emily Rostek, Maggie Taylor, Maya Kanig, and dan

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<v Speaker 1>Yella Lacan. Many of our sound effects are from Harry

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<v Speaker 1>Jenette Junior in the Star Jenette Foundation Special thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>Simon Leak. If you like the show, please remember to rate, share,

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<v Speaker 1>and review. To find more Pushkin podcasts, listen on the

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<v Speaker 1>iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jill Lapoor