WEBVTT - The Disappearance of Flight MH370, Part II 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:04.480 San Francisco. We're coming to see you soon. Yeah, we're 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:08.680 gonna be there on Saturday, January chuck. And since it's 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:12.440 San Francisco, we're gonna be wearing nothing but appropriately placed 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.680 clumps of rice roni. It is the San Francisco treat, Yes, 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:17.960 and we're the San Francisco treat too whenever we're in town. 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:20.000 So everybody should come see us. That's right. It's part 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:22.479 of Sketch Fest as always. We love performing there. You 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:24.239 can go to s Y s K live dot com 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:28.360 for details or s F sketch Fest dot com. 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This is 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:10.040 from Sally M. Guys who live in Sydney, New South Wales. 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:13.360 You've probably been hearing about the catastrophic wildfires that are 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.679 being happening across the country since September. Having lived in 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.360 California before, I thought I knew what to expect. However, 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:23.720 this has been truly unprecedented. Uh. Minor inconveniences for us 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:25.560 have been happening, but compared to what so many other 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:29.640 Aussies and our wildlife is experiencing. Yet another example of 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:33.080 the far reaching effects of this emergency. Uh, there's so 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:35.280 much need in Australia, and I thought this stuff you 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.160 should know Army might be primed to help out. This 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:41.640 from Sally M. And this is uh something that you 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:43.559 know has been on our radar for a little while, 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:47.800 but obviously, UM, being across the world, America's becoming more 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:52.200 aware and engaged thanks to social media in recent days 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:55.600 and weeks. It's just devastating to see what's happening there. 0:01:55.920 --> 0:02:00.080 We've always had such incredible support from Australia and and 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.440 we had a chance to visit there, just charmed by 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:05.840 the people and by the beautiful country and it's just heartbreaking. 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:08.359 So we want to direct people to quite a few 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:11.600 places because there are lots of ways that you can 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:15.080 give money to help out. Um, do you have some. 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:17.760 I've got some too, Yeah, I've got a bunch, all right, 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:20.040 go ahead, I mean you can do the the usual, 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:23.560 the Australian Red Cross, the Salvation Army Australia, St Vincent 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:27.240 De Paul's Society. Um, there's a something called Food Bank 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:31.040 in Australia. Those are some pretty good places to start. Yeah, 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:35.040 And you know, we're huge fans of animals and held 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:37.720 koalas and petted kangaroos while we were there and to 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:41.000 see these images of these animals and needs just been 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.600 really tough. So the World Wildlife Fund is always a 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:48.120 great place to start. There's an organization called Wires Capital 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:52.760 w I R E s UH, the Port Macquarie Koala 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:55.959 Hospital U, the r s p c A of New 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:58.640 South Wales is all going to help out our animal friends. 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:02.080 And if you want to help the firefighters directly, the 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:06.160 New South Wales Rural Fire Service has set up funds 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:09.040 for the families of volunteers fighting the fires who have 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:12.120 died fighting the fires. Yeah, so do what you can. 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:15.799 It is a dire situation right now, and I think 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:19.920 people can come together and spare a few bucks. Every 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:23.080 little bit helps. Yea, and Australia, we are thinking of you. 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:27.119 The whole world is sending you good vibes and hanging there. 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:29.960 All right, So finally let's get on with the show. 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.120 Welcome to Stuff You should know, a production of I 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:43.120 Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:45.840 I'm Josh Clark and there's Charles W Chuck Bryant, and 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:51.280 this is part two of two about Image three seventy, 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:55.040 the most mysterious disappearance of any airliner in the history 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:59.040 of modern aviation. That's right. We won't do a full recap, 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:02.080 but where we're picking up now, wait, you want to 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.080 do a full recap twenty minutes easy. We are at 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:08.160 the point where the plane has crashed, and we're going 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:14.560 to pick up with post crash investigations, which, um, like 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:19.880 many airline crash investigations were bungled, and was bungled in 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:23.960 a lot of ways. Oh yeah, So Ed points out 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:28.719 that like kind of oddly that there are a lot 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:32.040 of crash investigations you can point to that, you know, 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:35.359 kind of deferred towards the airline manufacturer when they were 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.479 at fault, or tried to do some cover up or 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:41.719 was not great, none of them from what I can tell, 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:46.159 to this one. This is very very not good. And 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:50.719 the seems to be the roundly, roundly accepted reason for 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.599 the whole thing being bungled was that Malaysia at the 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:57.839 time was the dictatorship and you could disappear if you 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.680 weren't doing your job very well or if you offended 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:05.080 the people in charge, and a crash of a Malaysians 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.600 Airline flight in particular was kind of a dicey thing 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:11.520 to talk about because Malaysian Airlines was the pride of 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:15.760 Malaysia and it was a at the time, a government 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:20.840 largely government owned and controlled airline, a state owned airline. 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:24.799 It was the Malaysia was the majority owner of stock 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.200 and it was publicly traded. Malaysian Airlines was, but they 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:29.800 owned the majority of it. They called the shots and 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:33.560 after two fourteen was proved to be a terrible year 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.560 by any airline standards, because not only was MH three 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:41.560 seventy did vanish. MH seventeen was shot down over Ukraine 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:45.400 the same year. Just less than six months later, the 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.200 Malaysian government set about buying back all of the shares 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:52.560 that were outstanding of Malaysian Airlines and took it off 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:56.200 of public listing, made it a fully stayed owned company. 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:59.960 So they certainly didn't want the bad press no short 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.880 follow now. So there's a lot of people who say 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.800 the Malaysian government covered this up, not because they did 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:09.240 anything nefariest, but because they were worried that something embarrassing 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:11.279 was going to come out. And this is not a 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:14.800 government that could handle embarrassment very well, and so they 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:23.320 literally obfuscated the the investigation into what happened at mhe. Yeah, 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:27.240 so the first problem here is, uh, we know now 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:30.279 that this plane crashed in the South Indian Ocean, and 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:32.479 it took a week before they were looking in the 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:37.080 South Indian Ocean, so the first twenty four hours was 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:40.720 in the South China Sea between Malaysian and Vietnam. Um 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:43.680 they ended up hooking up and uh creating a joint 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:48.719 Agency Coordination Center. Are actually Australia's who created that, and 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:52.000 they led the search efforts because it was close to them, 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:56.480 and uh they found no trace even after they did 0:06:56.520 --> 0:07:00.640 all this ocean floor mapping UM search. You know, they 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.840 had that seventh arc Pegg searched all along there and 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:07.159 twenty thousand square miles. Yeah, which is you know, even 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.000 if you find that seventh arc and you know it's 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.560 somewhere in here, that's still a vast, vast area. And 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:14.200 this thing is on the bottom of the ocean at 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:16.400 this point, and we should say it. By this time, 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.920 Australia has stepped up and been like, well this happened 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.760 not too far from US. I guess where the closest 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:28.440 major country, certainly Western democracy in this in this area. Um, 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.080 we'll we'll head this up. Malaysia will help you out. 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.360 And they footed a lot of the bill, which was 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:39.400 pretty cools from Yeah. And I think it was the 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:45.000 most and still is the most expensive search in aviation history. Yeah, 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.360 which is kind of surpresent. You think that more would 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:49.120 have been spent, but I think they usually find them 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:52.520 sooner than this. This was not found. They searched for 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:56.280 two solid years for this thing in UM, just on 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:58.760 that seventh arc. There's a lot of people who at 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:00.720 the time we're like, no, you know how it forms 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.600 a circle. Well, there's a northern arc in a southern arc, 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.760 and some people said, no, northern ark somewhere, it's in Kazakhstan. 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.400 The southern arc was in the Indian Ocean. Most people said, 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.720 it's probably the southern arc um so that's where they searched, 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:17.680 and they still didn't find it. Yeah, and it took 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:19.720 so long to even get there. By that point, there 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.120 were a lot of things. If you had that first 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:25.200 twenty four hours, it's sort of like a a murder investigation. 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:27.960 Those that first day is so key. The first forty 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.920 eight is forty eight let's say I'm making I'm there 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:34.760 and down to buddy. Okay. So Malaysia then heads up 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:39.560 what's called the Joint Investigation Team. Uh, the US was involved, China, Britain, 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:42.600 and France. This was the one that was meant to 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:47.760 follow the protocols of just the internationally agreed upon accident 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:52.520 investigation to make for for everybody. And Malaysia did not 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:57.000 help out very well. No, so they issued the Malaysian 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:00.280 Ministry of Transport issued a preliminary and a final rep wort. 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:04.760 The preliminary report um ED describes as more or less 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:08.800 a reprint of the Boeing seven seven seven manual just like, well, 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.160 here there was the plane, which I think is kind 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:14.520 of standard to have technical information, but this is the 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:18.679 whole report. Uh. And then the second one, the final report, 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:24.280 basically pointed out where air traffic control failed along the way. Yeah, 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:29.040 and I saw in that languish article UM that that 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:33.240 they were politically speaking the easiest targets they were not 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:36.280 going to. There wasn't going to be any backlash by 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:39.199 kind of taking them to task, especially taking the ho 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:42.560 Chi min air traffic controllers to task too. They should 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.920 have been taking the task. Eighteen minutes is a very 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:47.760 long time to let an airliner in your jurisdiction just 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.920 be disappeared, so that that was a big problem. But 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:55.079 the Malaysian Air Force also UM should have been criticized 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.240 for covering up the fact that they hadn't done anything 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:03.520 for an hour that they were tracking this this unidentified 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:07.000 UM airplane in their airspace and let an entire search 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:11.559 multi national search be mounted in the South China Sea 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:14.640 like a couple of days before they were like, um, 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:17.880 actually we we think they went this way, you know, 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:19.679 because it takes a long time to even as symbol 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.760 that kind of search squad. So I think if they 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:25.640 searched for two days and didn't get start till a 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:29.400 week later. That's like four days just a like move right, 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:31.880 you know. And so in that time, an oil slick, 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:35.680 a debris field, all that stuff can just vanish, and 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.960 an airliner really can in an area the size of 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.840 the Indian Ocean, especially even when you know where to look, 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:45.880 can just disappear. And that is why a lot of 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:50.320 people say we will probably never find m H three seventeen. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.160 There's there's another couple of reasons why too, are we 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:57.520 gonna get to this? The police in Malaysia and this 0:10:57.679 --> 0:10:59.760 bore a little bit of fruit. They conducted some background 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:03.560 check on everyone on the plane, uh, and they did 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:08.240 find two passengers who were Iranians that had stolen passports. 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:12.080 Apparently they were just seeking political asylum though although that 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:15.280 does factor into some of the conspiracy theories that pop 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.640 up later on. Yeah, anytime you have two Iranian nationals 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.560 traveling under fake passports on him plane that disappeared, some 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:23.800 people are going to say, sure, I don't know about 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.680 that one, Yeah, exactly. Um. And then here was the 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.720 one thing about their final report from the police, UH 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:36.040 is they described Captain Sahari basically saying like this guy 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:41.439 was great, nothing wrong, he was a great pilot. Uh uh, 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:46.080 nothing to alarm anybody here about Captain Sahari And that's 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.960 in the final report and we'll get to him. But 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:53.360 that does not appear to be true. No. Um, So 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:57.960 after the search after two years, in a hundred and 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:02.800 sixty million dollars and a hundred and twenty thousand sorry 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:06.440 a square kilometers, I think it's a square miles. Still 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:11.679 a lot of square miles searched. Um, the Australians, the Malaysians, 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:15.400 and the Chinese that made up the tripartite um Commission 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:18.160 that we're kind of running the show in this search 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:23.360 said officially, we don't know what happened. All we can 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:28.320 say is that we believe MH three seventy ended somewhere 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:31.319 in the Southern Indian Ocean. That was that's the official 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:36.120 stance on what happened to a vanished airliner that they said, 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.480 we don't know, And that's as far as we're gonna go. Yeah, 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:41.040 and I do want to point out quickly there was 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.920 one private agency called in um or I think volunteered, 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:49.160 called Ocean Infinity from Texas. Yeah, they performed a search 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.720 basically pro bono. If they find the plane, they get paid. 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.360 But just as a sort of a nerd in this way, 0:12:56.400 --> 0:13:00.240 I looked into that company. They're awesome. Yeah, it's really 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.920 cool man they are. They call it cbed Intelligence, and 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:08.720 it's it's like James Cameron style stuff. The resources and 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:13.040 the toys that these dudes play with, it's pretty pretty cool. Yeah, 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:15.079 they'll have a mothership at least, this is what they 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.880 did for the MH three seventy search. They have a mothership, 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.280 and I think the mothership goes through and maps the 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:25.840 underwater terrain in three D first, and then that forms 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.960 their search area. They release some autonomous drones. Yeah they 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:32.480 look like torpedoes, but they're drones that can be controlled 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:35.040 from this mothership and they go through and scan using 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:38.280 sonar like in detail the sea bed. It's so cool 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:41.720 and rus photography. It's like really cool stuff. It works 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:45.120 really well. Ocean Ocean Infinity has a great track record 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:48.040 finding stuff there. Who I would call they found like 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.959 a missing submarine from Argentina. They found a bunch of 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:52.679 other things. I would call them too. By the way, 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:54.480 we should get them on the we should hire them 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.240 out for the Tybee Island nuke. We totally should. I'm 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:00.200 surprised they haven't just done that for fun. Yeah, as 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.560 a matter of fact, I think they should solve the mystery. Yeah, 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:05.560 the broken era or the empty quiver. And they're like, 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:09.440 we spent how many multimillions of dollars just to say 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:14.080 we solve that mystery? Right? No, No, they're from Texas, 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:17.240 so anytime they find something, they don't think about that. 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.600 Instead they just shoot their six shooters into the air. 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:22.400 About that, right, So that's fine, that's a good enough 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.800 for them, let's pay enough. But Ocean Infinity, Yeah, they 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:29.320 know what they're doing, and they still couldn't find There 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.200 were some things that were found in the search Number one. 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:37.640 This was uncharted um territory and now huge swaths of 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.520 it are now mapped. They found an underwater volcano, an 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.400 enormous one that they had no idea existed before. They 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:45.720 found a couple of shipwrecks from the nineteenth century that 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:49.600 had just been totally lost. But they still found no 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:56.080 trace whatsoever of MH three seventy, despite two major searches 0:14:56.320 --> 0:15:00.000 and an official finally, an official final report from Australia 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.760 is saying we don't know we will probably never know. 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:05.320 All we can say is that the flight ended almost 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:09.760 certainly in the Southern Indian Ocean. That's right, And um, 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.840 we should shout out the Independent Group. Uh, this is 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:17.120 an online group of enthusiasts Internet. Yeah, who got together 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:20.280 to try and figure this out. And uh Ed even 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.080 pointed out, like, you know, you hear Internet sluz and 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.680 you're like, come on, get off the tinfoil hat. But 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.400 it turns out that these people a lot of more. 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.840 There were engineers, they worked in aviation formally or currently, 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.880 and they were really interested in trying to help and 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.360 I think ended up helping in a lot of ways. Yeah, 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.440 and even even beyond like tinfoil hats, Internet slus can, 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:46.160 they've done things like identified John does and Jane does. Um, 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.120 they've done a lot of cool stuff. But typically they're 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:53.120 not qualified in what they're doing. They're just very interested 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:56.760 in and very dogged in their pursuits. Right with the 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:01.360 Independent Group, these are actual like people with PhDs and 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:06.640 electrical engineering and secondary radar and satellites and the stuff 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.400 that they're they're doing. They just all happened to come together, 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.720 bound by their common interest in the search for this plane. 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.880 And if you go and read, I will give you 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:17.880 a thousand dollars if you can make it through one 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:21.360 of their blog posts. It's so dan and so scientific, 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:26.320 but they're so legitimate. The Australian government when they wrapped 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.760 up their search, maybe at some point during it they 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.520 actually acknowledged and thank the Independent Group for their work 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.440 because they were relying on it to some extent. Yeah, 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:38.040 and I'm sure like no one ever and this kind 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:39.960 of thing or search and rescue, no one ever wants 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.760 this to happen. But this is their chance to really 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.160 get involved and try and do some good. Who the 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:50.480 Independent Group? Yeah, sure. They also agitated for um more 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:54.080 transparency in this stuff, and I think they got their hands. Well. 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:58.480 They went around about way um the they made friends 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.480 with some of the family of MH three seventy, just 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.640 by the families um hearing about what they were doing. 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:07.320 And from one of the families they got the raw 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:09.960 M Marsett data. At a time when M Marsett was 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:13.520 saying this actually belongs to Malaysia or Malaysian Airlines, we 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.560 can't release it. Malaysia was saying, well, no, M Marsett 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:18.760 has to release it. They just went around both and 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.280 got the raw data, and we're able to really do 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.240 some much better calculations than they had before with the 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.639 raw m Marsett data. All right, so let's take a 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:30.680 break and we'll go start up our own Internet sleuthing concern. 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:33.720 Get that ramped up. What are we going to get 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.239 to the bottom of puppies? Sure? Okay, why are they 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.200 so darn cute? That sounds like us? All right, we'll 0:17:39.240 --> 0:18:09.120 be right back, okay, Chuck. So, um we at wreckage? 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:13.440 Not quite yet. I want to talk about the Yeah, 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:15.639 we are at wreckage. I think they'll tie in nicely 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:19.119 to I was gonna say, yeah, I mean because this 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:21.760 thing disappeared. That is not to say there were no traces, 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:27.040 because we have pieces of this plane. Now. There are people, um, 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:30.679 sort of like these Internet slues that are captured by 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:34.280 a story such that they will spend a large portion 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:36.959 of their life trying to solve it and looking for 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:40.400 stuff and savings. Yeah, sure, a lot of money. I think. 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:43.560 I think by people you really mean person. Now there 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:45.240 are a lot of other people. There was one man 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:49.119 called Zahid Raza who searched for years and he was 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:53.080 murdered in Madagascar. So he was. His job was as 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:57.959 the Malaysian Council to Madagascar's like the ambassador to Madagascar. Yeah, 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:02.919 and the conspiracy minded will say, now this guy's finding stuff, 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:06.160 and they took him out. So there was a dude 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:10.040 who did leave his life in I think Seattle and 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:13.440 moved well, actually just started moving around the world, which 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:17.920 he did normally anyway. But his name was Blaine Gibson. Yeah. 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.280 He factors big into that William Langwish article. He talks 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:24.200 about him a lot. But he just became moved by 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:26.680 this and decided that he was going to go start 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:29.560 finding wreckage. And he has I think a third of 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:33.960 the debris found from MH three seventy has been personally 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:39.639 found by Blaine Gibson. Just globe trotting, basically, but he 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:42.880 figured out if it was the Southern Indian Ocean, then 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:45.119 this wreckage is probably going to start to show up 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:52.600 somewhere around the southern the southwest coast of Africa, um 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:58.600 South Africa, Mozambique, Madagascar. And he was right. And the 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:01.679 first piece turned up in two thousand and fifteen. It 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:05.240 was a six ft piece of an airplane and it 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.960 felt like, no, I can't a matter of fact. I 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:11.119 mean looking for this and then finding it. It's like 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:13.679 a searching for a needle in a haystack. But it 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:17.480 was found on Reunion Island, um off of Madagascar, I 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:21.720 think off it's under the control of Mauritius. And this 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:25.160 was a really big deal for a couple of reasons. One, 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:30.640 it showed in controvertibly that the Southern arc was correct, 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:34.520 that that there, that it hadn't flown north into Kazakhstan, 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:39.000 that the flight had ended to the Indian Ocean. Yeah, 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:41.200 I mean, it showed that it crashed. That's a big one. 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:43.600 It showed that it had broken up like it wasn't 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:46.640 like a fire or anything like they had come apart. Well, 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.760 and it wasn't secretly landed somewhere, because some of those 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:52.719 conspiracies get pretty out there, right. But the other effect 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:56.600 that this had was that it devastated the MH three 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:59.679 seventy families who had been holding out hope because it 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:02.760 was disappeared. This airliner vanished and people were saying, no, 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:06.600 it actually is, and um the air based Diego Garcia 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:10.280 under US control. No, it's under Russian control and kazakh 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:14.200 stunt it's somewhere are people are somewhere maybe maybe there's 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:18.720 this hope. This dashed those hopes. And it came um 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:23.280 a full more than a year after the plane disappeared, 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:25.840 So they had been like really holding onto this hope 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:27.880 to desperate degree for more than a year and then 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:30.880 it was dashed. So it was a big deal when 0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:33.280 it was found. And that was the first of several 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:36.200 pieces that that washed up in that area. Yeah, this 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:40.520 was a part of the airplane called a flap iron. 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:43.080 It's on the back edge of the wing and it's 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:45.159 a control surface, you know, the kind of kind of 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:47.480 flaps up and down on it. It's a great name 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:51.520 for it now all know. Uh and the serial numbers 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:55.120 confirmed it. So it was definitely from uh MH three seventy. 0:21:55.880 --> 0:22:00.000 And then many other pieces have I think what dozens 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:03.919 at this point the pieces of plane have been found. Um. 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:07.080 What's creepy is other pieces have been found, but they're 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:10.719 not from MH three seventy. It's like, well, what planes 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:15.800 are these coming from? Well, yeah, that's creepy. Yeah, I 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:20.119 think maybe every is there any way to completely tag 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:23.960 every square inch of an airplane? I don't know, and 0:22:24.000 --> 0:22:27.359 not necessarily with a stamp, but Um, I don't know. 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:29.800 I know it means some kind of technology. If there's 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:33.320 a you could probably attach some sort of marker to 0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:36.800 atoms eventually, and you will be able to tag any 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:38.720 any part of any plane down to can you find 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:41.439 a little four inch piece of metal and you know 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:43.879 what it is? You just like analyze the atomic makeup 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:46.439 and being oh, look, mh three seventy. But that's the 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:50.000 future everyone, that's not too far. Once we get into nanotechnology, 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:53.080 that will be commonplace. Although we'll also probably be able 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:56.760 to make planes that don't come apart, right. Uh. So 0:22:57.160 --> 0:23:00.800 the other thing that suggests to is that, um, the 0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:03.760 plane hit and we talked earlier about when a plane 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:07.240 is descending into an ocean like that, it's going super fast, 0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:10.280 and this really kind of confirms that because they didn't 0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:14.120 find much wreckage the plane. Um, these parts probably ripped 0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:16.639 off on the way down, and most of the plane 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:22.480 fairly intact hit the ocean and went south very very fast. Yeah, 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:24.520 right to the bottom, right to the bottom. So this 0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:26.960 also dashed the hopes of the families even further in 0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:32.919 that those four electronic location transmitters the beak of the 0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:34.920 life beacons that were supposed to go off, and all 0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:38.440 four failed. Some family members and a lot of conspiracy 0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:41.560 theorists are saying all four of those failing. No way, 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:46.000