1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: San Francisco. We're coming to see you soon. Yeah, we're 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: gonna be there on Saturday, January chuck. And since it's 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: San Francisco, we're gonna be wearing nothing but appropriately placed 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: clumps of rice roni. It is the San Francisco treat, Yes, 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: and we're the San Francisco treat too whenever we're in town. 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: So everybody should come see us. That's right. It's part 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: of Sketch Fest as always. We love performing there. You 8 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: can go to s Y s K live dot com 9 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: for details or s F sketch Fest dot com. Uh 10 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: and if you're around Sunday night you can come see 11 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: me do movie Crush Live and a very small fun 12 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: venue where you can shake my hand. Very nice. So 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: come see us, everybody. You won't regret it. We're pretty 14 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: sure that's correct. And hey, another thing, this is weirdly 15 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: edited in real time. We're recording this in our time. 16 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: Two days previous melted out of my ear. Well, we 17 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: wanted to kind of front load this with a listener 18 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: mail because of what's going on in Australia. All this 19 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: was sort of happening, been happening for a little while, 20 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: but over the holiday break when we weren't in here 21 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: and had a chance to do something. Um. This is 22 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: from Sally M. Guys who live in Sydney, New South Wales. 23 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: You've probably been hearing about the catastrophic wildfires that are 24 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: being happening across the country since September. Having lived in 25 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: California before, I thought I knew what to expect. However, 26 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: this has been truly unprecedented. Uh. Minor inconveniences for us 27 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: have been happening, but compared to what so many other 28 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: Aussies and our wildlife is experiencing. Yet another example of 29 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: the far reaching effects of this emergency. Uh, there's so 30 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: much need in Australia, and I thought this stuff you 31 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: should know Army might be primed to help out. This 32 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: from Sally M. And this is uh something that you 33 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 1: know has been on our radar for a little while, 34 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: but obviously, UM, being across the world, America's becoming more 35 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: aware and engaged thanks to social media in recent days 36 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: and weeks. It's just devastating to see what's happening there. 37 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: We've always had such incredible support from Australia and and 38 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: we had a chance to visit there, just charmed by 39 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: the people and by the beautiful country and it's just heartbreaking. 40 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: So we want to direct people to quite a few 41 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: places because there are lots of ways that you can 42 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: give money to help out. Um, do you have some. 43 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: I've got some too, Yeah, I've got a bunch, all right, 44 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: go ahead, I mean you can do the the usual, 45 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: the Australian Red Cross, the Salvation Army Australia, St Vincent 46 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: De Paul's Society. Um, there's a something called Food Bank 47 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: in Australia. Those are some pretty good places to start. Yeah, 48 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: And you know, we're huge fans of animals and held 49 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: koalas and petted kangaroos while we were there and to 50 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: see these images of these animals and needs just been 51 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: really tough. So the World Wildlife Fund is always a 52 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: great place to start. There's an organization called Wires Capital 53 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: w I R E s UH, the Port Macquarie Koala 54 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 1: Hospital U, the r s p c A of New 55 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: South Wales is all going to help out our animal friends. 56 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: And if you want to help the firefighters directly, the 57 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: New South Wales Rural Fire Service has set up funds 58 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: for the families of volunteers fighting the fires who have 59 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: died fighting the fires. Yeah, so do what you can. 60 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: It is a dire situation right now, and I think 61 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: people can come together and spare a few bucks. Every 62 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: little bit helps. Yea, and Australia, we are thinking of you. 63 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 1: The whole world is sending you good vibes and hanging there. 64 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: All right, So finally let's get on with the show. 65 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You should know, a production of I 66 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 67 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark and there's Charles W Chuck Bryant, and 68 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: this is part two of two about Image three seventy, 69 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: the most mysterious disappearance of any airliner in the history 70 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: of modern aviation. That's right. We won't do a full recap, 71 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: but where we're picking up now, wait, you want to 72 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: do a full recap twenty minutes easy. We are at 73 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: the point where the plane has crashed, and we're going 74 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: to pick up with post crash investigations, which, um, like 75 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: many airline crash investigations were bungled, and was bungled in 76 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: a lot of ways. Oh yeah, So Ed points out 77 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: that like kind of oddly that there are a lot 78 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: of crash investigations you can point to that, you know, 79 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 1: kind of deferred towards the airline manufacturer when they were 80 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: at fault, or tried to do some cover up or 81 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: was not great, none of them from what I can tell, 82 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: to this one. This is very very not good. And 83 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: the seems to be the roundly, roundly accepted reason for 84 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: the whole thing being bungled was that Malaysia at the 85 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: time was the dictatorship and you could disappear if you 86 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: weren't doing your job very well or if you offended 87 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: the people in charge, and a crash of a Malaysians 88 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: Airline flight in particular was kind of a dicey thing 89 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: to talk about because Malaysian Airlines was the pride of 90 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: Malaysia and it was a at the time, a government 91 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: largely government owned and controlled airline, a state owned airline. 92 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,799 Speaker 1: It was the Malaysia was the majority owner of stock 93 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: and it was publicly traded. Malaysian Airlines was, but they 94 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: owned the majority of it. They called the shots and 95 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: after two fourteen was proved to be a terrible year 96 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: by any airline standards, because not only was MH three 97 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: seventy did vanish. MH seventeen was shot down over Ukraine 98 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: the same year. Just less than six months later, the 99 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: Malaysian government set about buying back all of the shares 100 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: that were outstanding of Malaysian Airlines and took it off 101 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: of public listing, made it a fully stayed owned company. 102 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: So they certainly didn't want the bad press no short 103 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: follow now. So there's a lot of people who say 104 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: the Malaysian government covered this up, not because they did 105 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: anything nefariest, but because they were worried that something embarrassing 106 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: was going to come out. And this is not a 107 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: government that could handle embarrassment very well, and so they 108 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: literally obfuscated the the investigation into what happened at mhe. Yeah, 109 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: so the first problem here is, uh, we know now 110 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: that this plane crashed in the South Indian Ocean, and 111 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: it took a week before they were looking in the 112 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: South Indian Ocean, so the first twenty four hours was 113 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: in the South China Sea between Malaysian and Vietnam. Um 114 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: they ended up hooking up and uh creating a joint 115 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: Agency Coordination Center. Are actually Australia's who created that, and 116 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: they led the search efforts because it was close to them, 117 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: and uh they found no trace even after they did 118 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: all this ocean floor mapping UM search. You know, they 119 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: had that seventh arc Pegg searched all along there and 120 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: twenty thousand square miles. Yeah, which is you know, even 121 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: if you find that seventh arc and you know it's 122 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: somewhere in here, that's still a vast, vast area. And 123 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: this thing is on the bottom of the ocean at 124 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: this point, and we should say it. By this time, 125 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: Australia has stepped up and been like, well this happened 126 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: not too far from US. I guess where the closest 127 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: major country, certainly Western democracy in this in this area. Um, 128 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: we'll we'll head this up. Malaysia will help you out. 129 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: And they footed a lot of the bill, which was 130 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: pretty cools from Yeah. And I think it was the 131 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: most and still is the most expensive search in aviation history. Yeah, 132 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: which is kind of surpresent. You think that more would 133 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: have been spent, but I think they usually find them 134 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: sooner than this. This was not found. They searched for 135 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: two solid years for this thing in UM, just on 136 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: that seventh arc. There's a lot of people who at 137 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: the time we're like, no, you know how it forms 138 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: a circle. Well, there's a northern arc in a southern arc, 139 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: and some people said, no, northern ark somewhere, it's in Kazakhstan. 140 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: The southern arc was in the Indian Ocean. Most people said, 141 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: it's probably the southern arc um so that's where they searched, 142 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: and they still didn't find it. Yeah, and it took 143 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: so long to even get there. By that point, there 144 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: were a lot of things. If you had that first 145 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: twenty four hours, it's sort of like a a murder investigation. 146 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: Those that first day is so key. The first forty 147 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: eight is forty eight let's say I'm making I'm there 148 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: and down to buddy. Okay. So Malaysia then heads up 149 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: what's called the Joint Investigation Team. Uh, the US was involved, China, Britain, 150 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: and France. This was the one that was meant to 151 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: follow the protocols of just the internationally agreed upon accident 152 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: investigation to make for for everybody. And Malaysia did not 153 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: help out very well. No, so they issued the Malaysian 154 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: Ministry of Transport issued a preliminary and a final rep wort. 155 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: The preliminary report um ED describes as more or less 156 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: a reprint of the Boeing seven seven seven manual just like, well, 157 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: here there was the plane, which I think is kind 158 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: of standard to have technical information, but this is the 159 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: whole report. Uh. And then the second one, the final report, 160 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: basically pointed out where air traffic control failed along the way. Yeah, 161 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: and I saw in that languish article UM that that 162 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: they were politically speaking the easiest targets they were not 163 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: going to. There wasn't going to be any backlash by 164 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 1: kind of taking them to task, especially taking the ho 165 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: Chi min air traffic controllers to task too. They should 166 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: have been taking the task. Eighteen minutes is a very 167 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: long time to let an airliner in your jurisdiction just 168 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: be disappeared, so that that was a big problem. But 169 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: the Malaysian Air Force also UM should have been criticized 170 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: for covering up the fact that they hadn't done anything 171 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: for an hour that they were tracking this this unidentified 172 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: UM airplane in their airspace and let an entire search 173 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: multi national search be mounted in the South China Sea 174 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: like a couple of days before they were like, um, 175 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: actually we we think they went this way, you know, 176 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: because it takes a long time to even as symbol 177 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: that kind of search squad. So I think if they 178 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: searched for two days and didn't get start till a 179 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: week later. That's like four days just a like move right, 180 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: you know. And so in that time, an oil slick, 181 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: a debris field, all that stuff can just vanish, and 182 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: an airliner really can in an area the size of 183 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: the Indian Ocean, especially even when you know where to look, 184 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: can just disappear. And that is why a lot of 185 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: people say we will probably never find m H three seventeen. 186 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: There's there's another couple of reasons why too, are we 187 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: gonna get to this? The police in Malaysia and this 188 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: bore a little bit of fruit. They conducted some background 189 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: check on everyone on the plane, uh, and they did 190 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: find two passengers who were Iranians that had stolen passports. 191 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: Apparently they were just seeking political asylum though although that 192 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: does factor into some of the conspiracy theories that pop 193 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: up later on. Yeah, anytime you have two Iranian nationals 194 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: traveling under fake passports on him plane that disappeared, some 195 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: people are going to say, sure, I don't know about 196 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: that one, Yeah, exactly. Um. And then here was the 197 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: one thing about their final report from the police, UH 198 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: is they described Captain Sahari basically saying like this guy 199 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: was great, nothing wrong, he was a great pilot. Uh uh, 200 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: nothing to alarm anybody here about Captain Sahari And that's 201 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: in the final report and we'll get to him. But 202 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: that does not appear to be true. No. Um, So 203 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: after the search after two years, in a hundred and 204 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: sixty million dollars and a hundred and twenty thousand sorry 205 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: a square kilometers, I think it's a square miles. Still 206 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: a lot of square miles searched. Um, the Australians, the Malaysians, 207 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: and the Chinese that made up the tripartite um Commission 208 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: that we're kind of running the show in this search 209 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: said officially, we don't know what happened. All we can 210 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: say is that we believe MH three seventy ended somewhere 211 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: in the Southern Indian Ocean. That was that's the official 212 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: stance on what happened to a vanished airliner that they said, 213 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: we don't know, And that's as far as we're gonna go. Yeah, 214 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: and I do want to point out quickly there was 215 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: one private agency called in um or I think volunteered, 216 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: called Ocean Infinity from Texas. Yeah, they performed a search 217 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: basically pro bono. If they find the plane, they get paid. 218 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: But just as a sort of a nerd in this way, 219 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: I looked into that company. They're awesome. Yeah, it's really 220 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: cool man they are. They call it cbed Intelligence, and 221 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: it's it's like James Cameron style stuff. The resources and 222 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: the toys that these dudes play with, it's pretty pretty cool. Yeah, 223 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: they'll have a mothership at least, this is what they 224 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: did for the MH three seventy search. They have a mothership, 225 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: and I think the mothership goes through and maps the 226 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: underwater terrain in three D first, and then that forms 227 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: their search area. They release some autonomous drones. Yeah they 228 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: look like torpedoes, but they're drones that can be controlled 229 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: from this mothership and they go through and scan using 230 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: sonar like in detail the sea bed. It's so cool 231 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: and rus photography. It's like really cool stuff. It works 232 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: really well. Ocean Ocean Infinity has a great track record 233 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: finding stuff there. Who I would call they found like 234 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: a missing submarine from Argentina. They found a bunch of 235 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: other things. I would call them too. By the way, 236 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: we should get them on the we should hire them 237 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: out for the Tybee Island nuke. We totally should. I'm 238 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: surprised they haven't just done that for fun. Yeah, as 239 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I think they should solve the mystery. Yeah, 240 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: the broken era or the empty quiver. And they're like, 241 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: we spent how many multimillions of dollars just to say 242 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: we solve that mystery? Right? No, No, they're from Texas, 243 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: so anytime they find something, they don't think about that. 244 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: Instead they just shoot their six shooters into the air. 245 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: About that, right, So that's fine, that's a good enough 246 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: for them, let's pay enough. But Ocean Infinity, Yeah, they 247 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: know what they're doing, and they still couldn't find There 248 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: were some things that were found in the search Number one. 249 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: This was uncharted um territory and now huge swaths of 250 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: it are now mapped. They found an underwater volcano, an 251 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: enormous one that they had no idea existed before. They 252 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: found a couple of shipwrecks from the nineteenth century that 253 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: had just been totally lost. But they still found no 254 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: trace whatsoever of MH three seventy, despite two major searches 255 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: and an official finally, an official final report from Australia 256 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: is saying we don't know we will probably never know. 257 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: All we can say is that the flight ended almost 258 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: certainly in the Southern Indian Ocean. That's right, And um, 259 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: we should shout out the Independent Group. Uh, this is 260 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: an online group of enthusiasts Internet. Yeah, who got together 261 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: to try and figure this out. And uh Ed even 262 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: pointed out, like, you know, you hear Internet sluz and 263 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: you're like, come on, get off the tinfoil hat. But 264 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: it turns out that these people a lot of more. 265 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: There were engineers, they worked in aviation formally or currently, 266 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: and they were really interested in trying to help and 267 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: I think ended up helping in a lot of ways. Yeah, 268 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: and even even beyond like tinfoil hats, Internet slus can, 269 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: they've done things like identified John does and Jane does. Um, 270 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: they've done a lot of cool stuff. But typically they're 271 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: not qualified in what they're doing. They're just very interested 272 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: in and very dogged in their pursuits. Right with the 273 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: Independent Group, these are actual like people with PhDs and 274 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: electrical engineering and secondary radar and satellites and the stuff 275 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: that they're they're doing. They just all happened to come together, 276 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: bound by their common interest in the search for this plane. 277 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: And if you go and read, I will give you 278 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: a thousand dollars if you can make it through one 279 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: of their blog posts. It's so dan and so scientific, 280 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: but they're so legitimate. The Australian government when they wrapped 281 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: up their search, maybe at some point during it they 282 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: actually acknowledged and thank the Independent Group for their work 283 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: because they were relying on it to some extent. Yeah, 284 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: and I'm sure like no one ever and this kind 285 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: of thing or search and rescue, no one ever wants 286 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: this to happen. But this is their chance to really 287 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: get involved and try and do some good. Who the 288 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: Independent Group? Yeah, sure. They also agitated for um more 289 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: transparency in this stuff, and I think they got their hands. Well. 290 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: They went around about way um the they made friends 291 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: with some of the family of MH three seventy, just 292 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: by the families um hearing about what they were doing. 293 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: And from one of the families they got the raw 294 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: M Marsett data. At a time when M Marsett was 295 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: saying this actually belongs to Malaysia or Malaysian Airlines, we 296 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: can't release it. Malaysia was saying, well, no, M Marsett 297 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: has to release it. They just went around both and 298 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: got the raw data, and we're able to really do 299 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: some much better calculations than they had before with the 300 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: raw m Marsett data. All right, so let's take a 301 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: break and we'll go start up our own Internet sleuthing concern. 302 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: Get that ramped up. What are we going to get 303 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,239 Speaker 1: to the bottom of puppies? Sure? Okay, why are they 304 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: so darn cute? That sounds like us? All right, we'll 305 00:17:39,240 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: be right back, okay, Chuck. So, um we at wreckage? 306 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: Not quite yet. I want to talk about the Yeah, 307 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: we are at wreckage. I think they'll tie in nicely 308 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: to I was gonna say, yeah, I mean because this 309 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: thing disappeared. That is not to say there were no traces, 310 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: because we have pieces of this plane. Now. There are people, um, 311 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: sort of like these Internet slues that are captured by 312 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: a story such that they will spend a large portion 313 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,959 Speaker 1: of their life trying to solve it and looking for 314 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: stuff and savings. Yeah, sure, a lot of money. I think. 315 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: I think by people you really mean person. Now there 316 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: are a lot of other people. There was one man 317 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: called Zahid Raza who searched for years and he was 318 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: murdered in Madagascar. So he was. His job was as 319 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:57,959 Speaker 1: the Malaysian Council to Madagascar's like the ambassador to Madagascar. Yeah, 320 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: and the conspiracy minded will say, now this guy's finding stuff, 321 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: and they took him out. So there was a dude 322 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: who did leave his life in I think Seattle and 323 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: moved well, actually just started moving around the world, which 324 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: he did normally anyway. But his name was Blaine Gibson. Yeah. 325 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: He factors big into that William Langwish article. He talks 326 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: about him a lot. But he just became moved by 327 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: this and decided that he was going to go start 328 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: finding wreckage. And he has I think a third of 329 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: the debris found from MH three seventy has been personally 330 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: found by Blaine Gibson. Just globe trotting, basically, but he 331 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: figured out if it was the Southern Indian Ocean, then 332 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: this wreckage is probably going to start to show up 333 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: somewhere around the southern the southwest coast of Africa, um 334 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: South Africa, Mozambique, Madagascar. And he was right. And the 335 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 1: first piece turned up in two thousand and fifteen. It 336 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: was a six ft piece of an airplane and it 337 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: felt like, no, I can't a matter of fact. I 338 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: mean looking for this and then finding it. It's like 339 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: a searching for a needle in a haystack. But it 340 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: was found on Reunion Island, um off of Madagascar, I 341 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: think off it's under the control of Mauritius. And this 342 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: was a really big deal for a couple of reasons. One, 343 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: it showed in controvertibly that the Southern arc was correct, 344 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: that that there, that it hadn't flown north into Kazakhstan, 345 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: that the flight had ended to the Indian Ocean. Yeah, 346 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it showed that it crashed. That's a big one. 347 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: It showed that it had broken up like it wasn't 348 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: like a fire or anything like they had come apart. Well, 349 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: and it wasn't secretly landed somewhere, because some of those 350 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,719 Speaker 1: conspiracies get pretty out there, right. But the other effect 351 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: that this had was that it devastated the MH three 352 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: seventy families who had been holding out hope because it 353 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: was disappeared. This airliner vanished and people were saying, no, 354 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: it actually is, and um the air based Diego Garcia 355 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: under US control. No, it's under Russian control and kazakh 356 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: stunt it's somewhere are people are somewhere maybe maybe there's 357 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: this hope. This dashed those hopes. And it came um 358 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: a full more than a year after the plane disappeared, 359 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: So they had been like really holding onto this hope 360 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: to desperate degree for more than a year and then 361 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: it was dashed. So it was a big deal when 362 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: it was found. And that was the first of several 363 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: pieces that that washed up in that area. Yeah, this 364 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: was a part of the airplane called a flap iron. 365 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: It's on the back edge of the wing and it's 366 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: a control surface, you know, the kind of kind of 367 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: flaps up and down on it. It's a great name 368 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: for it now all know. Uh and the serial numbers 369 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: confirmed it. So it was definitely from uh MH three seventy. 370 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: And then many other pieces have I think what dozens 371 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 1: at this point the pieces of plane have been found. Um. 372 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: What's creepy is other pieces have been found, but they're 373 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,719 Speaker 1: not from MH three seventy. It's like, well, what planes 374 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: are these coming from? Well, yeah, that's creepy. Yeah, I 375 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: think maybe every is there any way to completely tag 376 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: every square inch of an airplane? I don't know, and 377 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: not necessarily with a stamp, but Um, I don't know. 378 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: I know it means some kind of technology. If there's 379 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: a you could probably attach some sort of marker to 380 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: atoms eventually, and you will be able to tag any 381 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: any part of any plane down to can you find 382 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: a little four inch piece of metal and you know 383 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: what it is? You just like analyze the atomic makeup 384 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 1: and being oh, look, mh three seventy. But that's the 385 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: future everyone, that's not too far. Once we get into nanotechnology, 386 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: that will be commonplace. Although we'll also probably be able 387 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: to make planes that don't come apart, right. Uh. So 388 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: the other thing that suggests to is that, um, the 389 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: plane hit and we talked earlier about when a plane 390 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: is descending into an ocean like that, it's going super fast, 391 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: and this really kind of confirms that because they didn't 392 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: find much wreckage the plane. Um, these parts probably ripped 393 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: off on the way down, and most of the plane 394 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: fairly intact hit the ocean and went south very very fast. Yeah, 395 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: right to the bottom, right to the bottom. So this 396 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: also dashed the hopes of the families even further in 397 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: that those four electronic location transmitters the beak of the 398 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: life beacons that were supposed to go off, and all 399 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: four failed. Some family members and a lot of conspiracy 400 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: theorists are saying all four of those failing. No way, 401 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: it means that the plane didn't didn't descend quickly, didn't 402 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: catch fire, didn't hit water because some of those transmitters 403 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: are supposed to go off when they hit water, but 404 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: if they broke up on the way down, Because here's 405 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: the thing is the planes if it entered a steep 406 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: decline at six miles an hour, which is about what 407 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: they think that was cruising at, if it drops from 408 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: thirty five thousand feet at six hundred miles an hour 409 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: within two minutes, it's going to just break up, either 410 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: on the way down or the moment it hits water. 411 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: So much so that some of these beacons that are 412 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 1: designed for the scenario are not going to function. And 413 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: there's another there is one beacon that is designed to 414 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: go off on impact. It's designed for that kind of thing, 415 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: but it needs fifty seconds above water it's to transmit 416 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: to the satellite. So they think this thing hits so 417 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: fast that that beacon might have just gone right down 418 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: underwater and not been able to transmit in that fifty seconds. 419 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: So it's an explanation that the plane came apart in 420 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: the Southern Indian Ocean. Didn't just crash in the Southern 421 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: Indian Ocean. It came into a million pieces in the 422 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: Southern Indian Ocean. Yeah, and you know, we mentioned the 423 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: black boxes and the previous episode. Obviously we don't have 424 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: these black boxes. They're down there with everything else. I 425 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: haven't recovered any anything like that, but they think that 426 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: they probably wouldn't tell much of a story anyway. No, 427 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: not unless there was some sort of final communications or something. 428 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: That's what it would take. It would take whoever was 429 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: in charge of the plane at that time still talking 430 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: and explaining. And if you were the only person alive 431 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: on this plane, Uh, who would you be talking to. Well, 432 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: let's go ahead and talk about who this might be, because, um, 433 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: all indications point that it was the captain of the 434 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: airplane himself, Captain Shaw, yep, Captain Zahariamad Shaw. That's right. So, uh, 435 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: the wreckage basically, I mean, there's a lot of a 436 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: lot of clues. Again, we can't say anything for sure, 437 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: but no one ever claim you know, it's unlikely it 438 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: was terrorists because one thing terrorists do, which is what 439 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: makes them. Terrorists claim responsibility. They like to brag, well, 440 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: so everyone knows who it was. No one did this, 441 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: no one even falsely did this, which happened. Sometimes the 442 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: same can be said for a kidnapping because there are 443 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: some theories about that that there were some important people 444 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: aboard that they wanted to disappear or something. Right, But 445 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 1: like if you were kidnapping somebody, you want them alive 446 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: and they can't be alive if the planes and a 447 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: million pieces in the Southern Indian Ocean, that's right, uh, 448 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: And there were only two people on that plane who 449 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: knew and had the knowledge and access to do this stuff, 450 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: and that was Captain Shawn, first Officer hamid Um. Also, yeah, 451 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: there's something really important to point out here to Chuck, 452 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: there was no distress call and for if if it 453 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: was a hijacking, between the time that Zahari said goodnight 454 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: Malaysian three seven zero and the transponder went off at 455 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: exactly the right time, right when it hit a ho 456 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: Chi Minh air Traffic Controls jurisdiction, it would have taken 457 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: a minute for terrorists to make their way into the cockpit, 458 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: which was sealed with an electronic lock. A lot super bolted. Um, 459 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: it would have taken less than a minute at a 460 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: precise moment in time for terrorists to take control of 461 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: the plane. That just would not have happened. Uh. The 462 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: idea that these two are working together is not very plausible. Uh. 463 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: The idea that it was UM First Officer Hamid himself 464 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 1: is not plausible because, like we said, this is a greenhorn. 465 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: He was just getting started in his career. He was 466 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: super happy to be to have this job, this great 467 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: job flying the Pride of Malaysia. Um. Nothing at all 468 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: points that he had anything to do with this. No, 469 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't. And also it would have been much harder 470 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: for him to get um Captain Shaw out of the cockpit. Yeah, 471 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 1: like once you uh go take a bathroom break would 472 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: have been like I don't need to He's like no, 473 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: but seriously, go do it. I'm wondering how Captain Shawn 474 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: might have gotten him out. So one thing Lang was 475 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: this is a well I will keep going back to 476 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: all day long. The language. Well yeah, um he said 477 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: that Captain Shaw was known as a uh somebody who 478 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: wanted to know all the details of what was going on, 479 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: So it would have been very normal back and check 480 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: on something exactly. It would have been very normal, It 481 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: would have been very easy. And first Officer how Meade 482 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: would have hopped right up and gone right out of 483 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: the cockpit, leaving Shaw alone to lock the door, lock 484 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: him out. And that's all it took. That's all it took. 485 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: So when you start, uh, we said that the report 486 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: from the Malaysian police came back as a glowing report 487 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: for uh for Shaw. When you start doing a little 488 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: digging around, that's not exactly the case. Um. Before this 489 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: plane disappeared, in the months before, he had separated from 490 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: his wife, he was living by himself. Apparently was having 491 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: an affair with a married woman I think a platonic affair, 492 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: but of a weird emotional affair. Yeah. He also involved 493 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: her children that he was really into. Um. He would 494 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,719 Speaker 1: apparently was very big on social media. Uh. But he 495 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: did not leave like a Facebook post no suicide note 496 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: no suicide note no that e O. And he was 497 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,479 Speaker 1: on YouTube. He did d I Y repair things on 498 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: YouTube videos, which is pretty remarkable. Um. But here's the 499 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: big clue to me and everyone else is that he, 500 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: like Microsoft, has a flight simulator that's a lot of 501 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: fun and if you ever played around with one of those. 502 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: Uh not for many many years. It's a ton of fun. 503 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,479 Speaker 1: I've crashed tons of planes because it's really hard, as 504 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: it turns out, to fly one of these. But he 505 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: loved doing this. He loved flying these. It was one 506 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: of his hobby was flying this. Flights them so they 507 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: were able to get into the flights um that he 508 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: flew preceding this disappearance, and one of them really closely 509 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: matches the flight path of MH three seventy right into 510 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: the Indian Ocean. Some people might say, like, hey, listen, uh, 511 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: that doesn't prove anything. But all the other flights that 512 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: he had played around with he took from take off 513 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: to landing, this is the only one where he jumped 514 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: forward like a like a podcast commercial. Don't say that 515 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: he's skipping forward in time on that flight alone to 516 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: see how these fuel calculations were going to play out 517 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: and where this plane would be when it ran out 518 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: of fuel over the Indian Ocean. Flights him over right, 519 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: And that is so suspicious, Like I mean, it's I know, 520 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: you can speculate, but it's almost open and shut case 521 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: when you hear that, it's so suspicious. I saw one 522 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: member of the Independent Group said that this that he 523 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: left it as a bread crumb. Oh interesting, you know that, 524 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: like he wouldn't have learned anything from Microsoft Flight Simulator, 525 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: which is, to a guy in the seven seventies seven, 526 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: basically a game. You know that he was just basically 527 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: leaving something behind. That was That was one guy's interpretation 528 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: in the Independent group. Well, the very least he could 529 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: say if I if I'm here and I'm on this 530 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: header and I put it on autopilot, who knows, he 531 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: may have killed himself. Uh, he may have wanted that 532 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: thing to fly into the ocean for sure. So the 533 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: the idea is that Captain Zahari took control of the 534 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: plane by locking First Officer Hamid out of the cockpit, 535 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: turned off the electrical system, um took the the seven 536 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: seventy seven in a hard turn, back tracking and probably 537 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: going up to about forty ft at the same time, 538 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: accelerating the effects of depressuration depressurization in the cabin, killing 539 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: everyone on board, killing everyone on board, putting it on autopilot, 540 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: and setting a course for the Southern Indian Ocean with 541 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: a plane full of dead people for a good six 542 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: something hours. He may have killed himself at some point. 543 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: He may not. He may There's some data that suggests 544 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: that the plane running out of fuel and dropping from 545 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: the sky would not have hit the ocean as hard 546 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: as the wreckage suggests that it hit, and that it 547 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: might have taken somebody driving the plane into the ocean. 548 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: So he may have been alive to the very bitter end. 549 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: And if he was a seven seventies seven pilot dying 550 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: by crashing a plane in the ocean, I'm betting that 551 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: he wouldn't have killed himself before the crash. It just 552 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: doesn't seem right. But the idea is that he killed 553 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: his passengers and then killed himself by crashing this plane 554 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: into the Southern Indian Ocean. And this like the mind 555 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: recoils from that idea. But the problem is it's happened before. 556 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: Pilots have killed their passengers and yes, multiple times in 557 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: the history of air travel. Yeah, and here's the other 558 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: final clue, which to me is kind of the cherry 559 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: on top. Is that, really I found this one tough 560 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,719 Speaker 1: to reah. I didn't think so, because we we mentioned 561 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: earlier he took a very deliberate path to do a 562 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: little fly by a Penang Island that was out of 563 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: the way and he grew up on Penang Island. And 564 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I don't think that was I 565 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: don't think that was an accident. Okay, Um, I think 566 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: a final little fly by. I mean I could see 567 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: it sure. To me, it's the simulator. Well, it's like 568 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: a smoking gun, both those things to me. So so 569 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: we were saying that people have done this before, right, Yeah, 570 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: German Wings flight remember that one Eli m Mozambique uh 571 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: for seventy egypt Air And that's another article you should read. 572 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: I'm not reading any of these. You got him, man, 573 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: He's so good than Silk Air or flight they murdered 574 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: everyone on board. Um, Like, there's no other way to 575 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: take your own life. Yeah, there's so many other ways 576 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: to take your own life that don't involve the innocent 577 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: lives of your passengers. That this is one of the 578 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: most despicable things you can possibly do. And so in 579 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: response a lot of people's suicide bomber, you know a 580 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,959 Speaker 1: lot of people say there's no way he did this, 581 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: including his face, like they are like, no, this guy 582 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: did not do that. He was a nice guy. He 583 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't kill a bunch of people. But if you follow 584 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: the evidence, and again, nobody can say for certain and 585 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: probably no one will ever be able to say that 586 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: it was Captain Shaw that did this. But if you 587 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 1: follow the evidence and you form your own opinion, there's 588 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: there's a pretty it's it's pretty convincing that he did. Um, 589 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: But a lot of people say no, no way, And 590 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: because they've not been able to explain what happened, it's 591 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: formed this vacuum that's being filled by conspiracy theory, and 592 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 1: there's a lot of them. Yeah, so we'll take our 593 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: last break here and we will um, we're not gonna 594 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: go too deep into those, but we will kind of 595 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: rattle off some of the leading ones right after this 596 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 1: and Chuck before we you know, rattle off some of 597 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: these these conspiracy theories. I want to say, because we 598 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: can't explain this, nobody can say that it was Captain Shaw. 599 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: There are some things you can say. It's not like 600 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: it wasn't an accident, it wasn't there was it wasn't 601 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: you know, terrorists or anything like that, but but you 602 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: can't say definitively that yes, it was Captain Shaw. And 603 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: if this floats your boat, this is a there's a 604 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: whole rabbit hole for you to dive down with MH 605 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: three seventy And there's a lot of other interpretations, but 606 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: this seems to be, among uh air disaster experts the 607 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: likeliest explanation. Yeah, we are not saying, to be clear 608 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: that it was Captain Shaw. Nobody can say that it was. Yeah, 609 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: we're just sort of following Acam's razor here and the 610 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,439 Speaker 1: findings of experts like you said that. It just it's 611 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: the cleanest explanation there is. Alright, well, some things that 612 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: aren't so clean. Should we go over some of these? 613 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: This was compiled by The Week dot c O dot 614 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,399 Speaker 1: UK The Week. I didn't see Yeah, I didn't see 615 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: uh any authorship though on this one. Yeah. Maybe they're 616 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: like the economists and they don't. It's all the economists speaking. 617 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: It's all the Week speaking, you know what I mean exactly, 618 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: they're collective. So let me see here. One of these 619 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: is that Captain Shaw parachuted out of the plane to 620 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: meet that woman on a boat. Totally unnecessary because he 621 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: and his wife had already separated. Yeah, he was living alone, 622 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 1: that's right. But that was actually written by a journalist 623 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: in a book called The Hunt for MH three seventy 624 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: by e An Higgins. What else? This one is interesting 625 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,359 Speaker 1: that it was cyber hijacked. This is another book called 626 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,879 Speaker 1: Beneath Another Sky colin A Global Journey into History. Uh. 627 00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: And this is the suggestion that um Boeing's Honeywell interruptible 628 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: autopilot onboard computer was hacked and reprogrammed. Yeah, there's that 629 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 1: kind of that ties into another one that the c 630 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: I a UM got their hands on the plane remotely. 631 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: But the I don't know that it's true, but there's 632 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: a definite thread through conspiracy minded groups that after nine 633 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: eleven they have engineered some sort of mechanism on the 634 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,959 Speaker 1: airliners so that they can be remotely controlled in case 635 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: they are hijacked, so nobody can fly something into the 636 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,240 Speaker 1: world traits and or anything like that. Again makes sense, 637 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: It does make sense. It's it makes so much sense 638 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: that I'm like, wait, did did they actually do that? 639 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 1: But that's the that's like step one to that conspiracy theory. 640 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: Step one is that that's that exists, and then step 641 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: two is that somebody used it to to vanish MH 642 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: three seventy. What else Asian Bermuda Triangle yeah, should we 643 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: just that's all you need to say. Well, this one, 644 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: I thought it was funny because it said that, Um, 645 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 1: when you look at where it crashed, it's the exact 646 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: opposite of the Bermuda triangle on the other side of 647 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: the globe. And then I guess someone just looked and 648 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 1: they're like, UM, no, it's actually not right. So go 649 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: ahead and throw that down the two maybe in the 650 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 1: general neighborhood, but definitely not on these And also there's 651 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: no Bermuda triangle. That's that's a big, big issue with that. 652 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: What do you got? Another one is that that it 653 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: was used as MH seventeen. Remember I said that two 654 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: four two is a terrible year for Malaysian airlines. And 655 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 1: the idea is that they hijacked. They meaning probably the 656 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: CIA or the U S government or some shadowy cabal 657 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: hijacked MH three seventy safely landed it in some at 658 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: Diego Garcia Airbase or somewhere under US control. UM killed everybody, 659 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: or maybe they were dead from hypoxia to begin with. Anyway, 660 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: UM put him in freezers and then stage this changed 661 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: the call sign from a zero or from an O 662 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: to a D on the plane um and then used 663 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: it to be shot down over Ukraine. And supposedly there's 664 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: reports from Ukrainian journalists and humanitarian workers and even Ukrainian 665 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 1: rebels saying that the corpses that fell from this this 666 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: shot down plane MH seventeen over Ukraine were already decomposing 667 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: and rotting as if they died weeks before. Um. I've 668 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,799 Speaker 1: not found anybody who actually said that or anything like that. 669 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: But that's the whole thing, is that it was a 670 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 1: big false flag operation. Okay, but isn't it nuts that 671 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: Like if you can't explain something like a disappeared airliner, 672 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,359 Speaker 1: people go onto the internet and write books and say 673 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: here's what really happened. And then it's this. I think 674 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,720 Speaker 1: about the level of distrust we have for the people 675 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,359 Speaker 1: running the show that this has an audience, Like, I 676 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,919 Speaker 1: do not blame anybody who believes stuff like this because 677 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: we've been lied to for so long that you can 678 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,720 Speaker 1: buy this. You know, that's that some from an agency 679 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: would hijack a plane, kill everybody, and then use it 680 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,760 Speaker 1: to pin it on um, you know, putin controlled uh 681 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: Ukrainian forces. Come on, yeah, it was Hunter Biden. Right. 682 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 1: So here's another one that I thought was interesting and 683 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: not I'm saying it's interesting, is like, could it be? 684 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: But if you go to look at passengers on an 685 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 1: airplane and try and find a thread, uh, you might 686 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,720 Speaker 1: want to look at the fact that there are twenty 687 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,280 Speaker 1: people that worked for a company all on board called 688 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 1: Free Scale Semiconductor. So I hear that and I think, well, 689 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: we should at least look into this. Is there any 690 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,879 Speaker 1: reason someone would want to tank this company or tank 691 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: twenty people that worked important people that work for this company, 692 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: And the theory is that they might have been killed 693 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: by plane crash, either for secret technology or to manipulate 694 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: stock prices. Right, And apparently that company helped the n 695 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: s A or this CIA or the U. S government 696 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:06,919 Speaker 1: in general create some of its PRISM program surveillance technology, 697 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,360 Speaker 1: so they were supposedly already in cahoots with shadowy agencies 698 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,320 Speaker 1: within the US government to begin with. And since his 699 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: plane was headed to Beijing, China, perhaps these this company 700 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 1: was going over to work with China now and the 701 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 1: CIA didn't like that, so they did this pretty interesting, 702 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 1: as you said, interesting, Yeah, that's all it is. Yeah, 703 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: And then there are other various ones from life insurance 704 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: scams to uh false flag hijackings, to alien abductions. Apparently 705 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,320 Speaker 1: five percent of Americans survey to believe it was subducted 706 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 1: by aliens believe MG three seventy was abducted by aliens. 707 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: I saw that, and my brain wouldn't accept that. I 708 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 1: think I just saw it as five percent Americans believe 709 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,439 Speaker 1: in alien abductions. You know, I can't hear what you're about. 710 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:58,319 Speaker 1: I've done Okay, Uh, you got anything else? Well, if 711 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,080 Speaker 1: you want to know more about mhe three, set a 712 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,359 Speaker 1: neat friend, meet your new hobby because it is all 713 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: over the internet, and follow whatever thread you like. Um. 714 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 1: And since I said that, it's time for listener mail, 715 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 1: this one's a bit long, but boy is it a 716 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,360 Speaker 1: good one, uh and super important one for this gentleman 717 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 1: and his family. Hey guys, my name is Tyler. I 718 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 1: live in Michigan. I got a story for you. The 719 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,839 Speaker 1: Sunday before Thanksgiving, my family and I woke up and 720 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: I went around business as usual. I was playing a 721 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: video game with my two boys, and my wife said 722 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 1: she was going out to the garage to get something 723 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 1: and walked out the door. After about ten minutes, my 724 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,280 Speaker 1: neighbor banged on the door. I opened it to see 725 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: my next floor next door neighbor pointing at my wife 726 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 1: laying motionless on the ground in front of my car. 727 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,839 Speaker 1: Full on panic mode set in. I ran the ten 728 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: feet or so to find her not breathing, fingers and 729 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,720 Speaker 1: face already blew, and my neighbor started calling nine one one. Luckily, 730 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 1: I remembered some advice from your CPR episode, not only 731 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,399 Speaker 1: how much pressure to apply to the stern hum, which 732 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 1: is a lot, but the rhythm, and I began to 733 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 1: say staying alive by the bgs in my head as 734 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 1: I did the chest compressions. Trying to sing along while 735 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 1: my adrenaline was pumping was not easy, but I did 736 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: my best to stay calm and keep singing that part 737 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,399 Speaker 1: of the song in my head. The color started coming 738 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,400 Speaker 1: back to her face a little bit after I started 739 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: the E M T s and police were at my 740 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,319 Speaker 1: house within five minutes and used a defibrulous uh deep 741 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,720 Speaker 1: I always missed that word up defibrillator on her three times, 742 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: gave her three shots of epinephrin before they finally got 743 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 1: her heart beating again. Her brain went without blood for 744 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: twenty minutes, though, and as a result, she has been 745 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,360 Speaker 1: diagnosed with brain damage. She's got a long road to 746 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: recovery ahead of her, but the doctors think she has 747 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,799 Speaker 1: a good chance because of her age. Her heart had 748 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 1: a severe aridmia that ultimately caused cardiac arrest. I'm doing 749 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 1: the best I can for her and my kids while 750 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,799 Speaker 1: she heals. I'm the primary provider for my family. While 751 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,839 Speaker 1: my wife was a primary caregiver. Having to take off 752 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 1: for it can take care of my kids has been 753 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: really scary. But I've gotten tremendous support from friends and 754 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: family uh here in my time of need. So I 755 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:02,879 Speaker 1: just want to thank you guys for the work you do. 756 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 1: Without your podcast, I likely would have been burying my 757 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,400 Speaker 1: wife instead of visiting her in the hospital. This is 758 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,399 Speaker 1: like Christmas time too. I wasn't prepared for this when 759 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 1: you could have given me like sorry in the hand 760 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: with the needle or something first. Uh sincerely, thank you 761 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 1: both so much. That is from Tyler Elliott. He said, 762 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 1: if you guys read this on the show, could you 763 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: shout out my best friend Justin. He got me into 764 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,279 Speaker 1: the show back in the day and has been there 765 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:29,879 Speaker 1: for me and my family every step of the way. 766 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: So Justin is the one who should be thanked. Really, 767 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: It all in a weird way comes back to Justin Man. 768 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 1: What is his name again? Tyler Elliott? And uh, I 769 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 1: hope your wife is recovering and the same here Tyler, 770 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 1: Best of luck to you man. That's a quite a 771 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: herring experience. Not only are we thinking of you, but 772 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,319 Speaker 1: everybody listening to this podcast right now. I was thinking 773 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,280 Speaker 1: about you too, that's right, sending out the best vibes 774 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: into the universe. Wow. Well, if you want to try 775 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,319 Speaker 1: to top Tyler's email best of luck, good luck, you 776 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,319 Speaker 1: can go on to step you Should Know die com 777 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 1: and check out our social links there, and you can 778 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 1: also send us an email yourself to stuff podcast at 779 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 1: iHeart radio dot com. Stuff you Should Know is a 780 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 1: production of iHeart Radio's How Stuff Works. For more podcasts 781 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 1: for my heart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 782 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. H