1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: We are rolling through the Wednesday edition of the program. 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: We have got a ton locked and loaded for you. 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: I am Clay Travis. He is Buck Sexton. We are 6 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: going to be joined by the man in the middle 7 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: of a congressional debate that is of incredibly high significance. 8 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: Where did COVID come from? And how much might the 9 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: United States, including doctor Fauci himself, have helped to engineer 10 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: this virus via gain of function research, if in fact 11 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: it all came from that research, which we still do 12 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: not know. By the way, of course, this was these 13 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: were comments that I just opened the show with that 14 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: if you even suggested on social media in recent history, Buck, 15 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: you were not allowed to have that conversation. And this 16 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: all is tied into one of the biggest stories, maybe 17 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: in American history, if it's determined that doctor Fauci has 18 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: been lying about the United States' role in helping to 19 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: support gain a function research on coronaviruses that led to 20 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: an outbreak that has devastated in many parts of the globe. 21 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: The economic and life of many. This is a this 22 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: is you know, I know sometimes in the media people 23 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: will exaggerate for effect and say, oh, this is a 24 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: really big story. But this is a pretty monumentally massive story, 25 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: buck Sexton, And we are going to discuss this in 26 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: great detail. I mean a big part of it is 27 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: if there was even an effort and what let's just 28 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: say that we will seed some degree of good faith 29 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: to the other side that I don't think it deserves, 30 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: meaning the Fauchiites and the international health bureaucracy consensus that 31 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: clearly was coordinating in the beginning and deciding what the 32 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: official narrative would be, even if we would concede. You 33 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: know what, they really did think that this probably came 34 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: from the wet market and not from the lab. The 35 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: fact that they would then, as scientists, be a part 36 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: of a suppression campaign of what was clearly a possible 37 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: theory and therefore one that should be disproven, right, the 38 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: hypothesis should have been tested, not discarded. That brings up 39 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: a whole lot of other questions about why do we 40 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: continue to live in a society. At least I can 41 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: speak here in America, and it's true in a lot 42 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,839 Speaker 1: of other places around the world where we hold up 43 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: Fauci and those like him as though they haven't been wrong, 44 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: as though they haven't been dishonest, as though they are 45 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: heroes that we should all follow blindly into transformations of 46 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: our society, abandoning key aspects, key points of our constitutional 47 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: protections and of our day to day lives. I mean 48 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: these people, meaning the Fauciites, made it so you couldn't 49 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: go to church or synagogue or mosque or wherever for 50 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: school or work for months on end, right, but on 51 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: the religious side of it, I mean clear constitutional violation, 52 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: And the fact of the matter is that that judges 53 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: were too cowardly to say, sorry, you don't get to 54 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: just make some determination about you know, the big box 55 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: store can be open to go buy a lawnmower, This 56 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: was true in California. But your church is shut down 57 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: because that's not important, you know, But the lawnmower store 58 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: store is important, or the protests are permissible all over 59 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: the streets in the country, but you're not allowed to 60 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: go to church. That was a critical moment, Clay, because 61 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: that was the breaking point for people who were willing 62 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: to hear out and look. In the beginning, I still 63 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: say two weeks was a valid everyone just lock it 64 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: down for two weeks while we figure out what's going on. 65 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: I think that that's a reasonable thing to do based 66 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: on what we were seeing then. But it was two weeks, 67 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: it wasn't six months, it wasn't eighteen months, and it 68 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: wasn't what we're seeing now, which is a transference or 69 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: a transfer of the initial pitch into forever COVID, which 70 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: is what we're facing, the forever faucism. And I very 71 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: much want to tell people that say mask up. This 72 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: is what saying people, This is what smart people do 73 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: to go Faucci themselves. And Faucci is clearly clearly personally 74 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: offended by the notion that he may have been a 75 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: part of the suppression of the lab leak through in 76 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: the beginning. This is why we had that fiery exchange 77 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: which Grand Paul, and we're setting the table by the way, 78 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: buck because Rand Paul is going to be with us 79 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: live on the program in the third hour here to 80 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: help us understand his arguments in a way that isn't 81 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: actually being shared go figure by many people in the media. 82 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: But if you missed this, this is a portion cut 83 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: three of what happened yesterday in an explosive Senate hearing, 84 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: Senator rand Paul going after doctor Fauci. If the point 85 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: that you are making is that the grant that was 86 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: funded as a sub award from Eco Health to WUHAN 87 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: created sauce coovie two, that's where you are getting Let 88 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: me finish. We don't know the lab, but all the 89 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: evidence is pointing that it came from the lab. You 90 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: and there will be responsibility for those who funded the lab, 91 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: including yourself. It is molecularly impossible. No one's saying those 92 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: it is mogular lows virus caused the pandemic. What we're 93 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: alleging is the gain of function research was going on 94 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: in that lab, and NIH funded it. That is not 95 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: away from it. It meets your definition, and you are 96 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: obstru skating the truth. I want everyone to understand that 97 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: if you look at those viruses and that's judged by 98 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: qualified virologists and evolutionary biologists, those viruses are molecularly impossible. 99 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: Results are and you are implying that what we did 100 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: was responsible for the deaths of individual I totally resent that. 101 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: And if anybody is lying here, Senator, it is you. 102 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: Big debate about gain a function research and the United 103 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: States helping to fund that gain of function research. And 104 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,799 Speaker 1: just to make clear, Buck, for everybody out there, gain 105 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: a function research is arguably what is done to try 106 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: and reverse engineer in the event that there are virus 107 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: This is my understanding. You tell me if you understand 108 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: it differently, Buck, But I do think there's a lot 109 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: of people out there who don't understand gain a function research. 110 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: It's basically biologically in a lab as opposed to naturally 111 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: in the world creating a virus that is dangerous, with 112 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: the idea being that in creating these dangerous viruses, we 113 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: can help to better understand them if they naturally emerge 114 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: in the world and we have to respond to them. 115 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: The idea with gain of function is that's what we're 116 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: trying to do basically right now, they're where they tweak 117 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: existing viruses yea. And this is essential because to them 118 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: more virulent, that's right to usually make it more transmissible 119 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: and in some cases maybe even more dangerous to humans. 120 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: And this is why the actual amino acid chains that 121 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: are present in COVID nineteen are central to the debate 122 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: over whether this came from a lab or not, because 123 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: there are some telltale signs, some fingerprints that you can see, 124 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: so to speak, through gain of function research, and it 125 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: seems some signists already saying that those are present with 126 00:07:55,600 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. But I also think there's a broader issue 127 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: that has to be addressed in the background of the 128 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: whole gain of function Fauci debacle here, and that is 129 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: consensus is not science. And this idea that you get 130 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: a bunch of people together who say we think the following, 131 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: therefore everyone else needs to shut up and do what 132 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: we say. This should not exist in a free society. 133 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: And if you actually go, and it's fascinating to do so, 134 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: if you go and look at the history of modern 135 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: medicine at various points, you will see the most elite 136 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: scientific communities in the world were flat out wrong as 137 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: wrong can possibly be. I mean, in the Victorian Victorian 138 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: period in England, they believed that you would get cholera 139 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: from miasma. They call this the miasma and Miasmatic theory. 140 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: The great book by the way, about how they determined 141 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: where cholera came from. And there's this Johnson wrote a 142 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: great book, This doctor John Snow who was going around saying, guys, 143 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: I really think it's from the water, and let me 144 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: show you the data and the faucie of that time, 145 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: the faucis of that mid nineteenth century, mid late nineteenth 146 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: century period. We're saying that's crazy. We know it's in 147 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: the myasthma. They had absolutely no idea Doctor Joseph Lister, 148 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: a Scotsman, trying to present to everybody, if only we 149 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: would clean surgical instruments, we would prevent infection, believe it 150 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: or not. At that period of time, and this actually 151 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: unfortunately related to James Garfield after he was shot in 152 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: the back and they had the doctors trying to treat him. 153 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: Those doctors refuse Lister's prescription or Lister's idea, I should say, 154 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: of clean the instruments to antisepsis, which is what it 155 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: was called. Doctors at that and when I say doctors, 156 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: I mean the London College of Medicine, I mean the 157 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: top in the world were absolutely convinced that it was 158 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: actually a mark of how good a doctor you were 159 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: to have filthy garments that had all the blood and 160 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: splatter and everything. It was like a badge of honor. 161 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 1: I mean the absolute from a bacteriological and epidemiological perspective. 162 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: Worst thing you could do. I mean, with Clay, we 163 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: could go on and on. I mean I've done a 164 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: whole studies and gone on long rants before about cholera outbreaks. 165 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: Here in New York City, the biggest bank in the world, 166 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,719 Speaker 1: JP Morgan was founded essentially as a charter in New 167 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: York based going back to the time of Hamilton and Jefferson. 168 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: Is founded so that they can have clean water in 169 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: New York City. That's where it became chemical bank, and 170 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: that it was acquired by JP Morgan because they were 171 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what do we deal with what 172 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: do we do with cholera? But even then there was pushback. 173 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: My point here, Clay and I know you and I 174 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: see this the same way. Consensus does not determine the truth. 175 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: Consensus is just group opinion. And if we keep getting 176 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: battered into submission by people with lab coats who have 177 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: authoritarian and clearly left wing sympathies, we're gonna get dragged 178 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 1: through more misery than we already have on this. Science 179 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: is mess is an easy way to sum that up, 180 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: and messy arguments in science are decided by debate over time. 181 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: And so with a new virus, arguably the worst thing 182 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: you could do in terms of trying to determine the 183 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: best responses is to insist on whatever the experts in 184 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: quotation marks agree on right now, because challenging conventional wisdom, buck, 185 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 1: as you well know, is hard to do, and it 186 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: requires a long time to convince people who are highly 187 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: trained and highly skilled that their conventional wisdom may well 188 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: be wrong. And so as you continue here, we're gonna 189 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: play a new clip. And the big allegation that Rand 190 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: Paul has made about doctor Fauci is that he has 191 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: lied to Congress in his testimony surrounding gain of function research, 192 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: whether American tax dollars supported it, and more. And we're 193 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: gonna play you more clips of that exchange and continue 194 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: to discuss it as it is, I believe one of 195 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: the integral stories that must be discussed as we discuss 196 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: COVID madness. 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I think you 233 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: could also make the case, maybe one of the biggest 234 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: stories in the world for a very long time, the 235 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: origins of the biggest pandemic we've seen in a hundred years, 236 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: one that we are still dealing with today. And if 237 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: we are going to be serious about not only getting 238 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: out of this one, but being better prepared for the 239 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: next one, and given population growth and density and the 240 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: fact that we now know that there are people out 241 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: there who can play with viruses, I don't want to 242 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: get all Tom clancy and start thinking about what the 243 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: long term you know, thriller novel implications of this are. 244 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: But clearly gain a function research is real and going on, 245 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: and we're thinking about it in the context with Clay. 246 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: When you're talking about it of how we can use 247 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: it for good, it can also that's the that's the 248 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: only reason to do it. It could also it could 249 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: also be used for evil, which I think now everyone 250 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: is well aware of. And if something like this could 251 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: be going on a lab in China, where else could 252 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: this be happening. But with all this, accountability is essential. 253 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: Who knew what when, what decisions were made by different 254 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: individuals in positions of power during this pandemic. Senator Rampaul, 255 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: who is Clay that will be with us later, he 256 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: had the following to share with well. He said this 257 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: on TV that he's pushing for doctor Fauci to be 258 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: held accountable legally. Yes, and I will be sending a 259 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: letter to the Department of Justice asking for a criminal 260 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: referral because he has lied to Congress. We have scientists 261 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: that will line up by the dozens to say that 262 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: the research he was funding was gaining a function. He's 263 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: doing this because he has a self interest to cover 264 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: his tracks and to cover his connection to Wuhan Lab. 265 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: Now does he deserve all of the blame. No, there's 266 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: still some conjecture as to whether or not it came 267 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: from the lab. But he's lying about whether or not 268 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: he funded gain a Function research. And yes, he should 269 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: be punished. We have to push him on this. That's 270 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: a big allegation. It's massive. And look again, I don't 271 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: think it's crazy to say that this could be the 272 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: biggest story of most of our lives if the United 273 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: States was in any way partly responsible through gain a 274 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: Function research, for helping to lead to the creation of 275 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: a virus that otherwise would not have existed, that escaped 276 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: from a Chinese lab, and that has been responsible for 277 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: the death of millions of people who have died with COVID. 278 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: I say with because a lot of these people had comorbidities, 279 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: they were elderly, they may have died of other causes 280 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: as well, but still the very essence of how this happened. 281 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: And buck to your point, this is a Frankenstein like 282 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: situation with a virus, where you create something with the 283 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: idea of doing good and instead you create ill. And 284 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: I think The scary thing about this, as you just mentioned, 285 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: is this gain of function research could lead to future 286 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: covids down the line, where nefarious actors who are intentionally 287 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: making as virulent and dangerous of a virus as is 288 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: possible are then intent on unleashing it up on the 289 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: globe in an effort to terrorize and destroy the world 290 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: as we know it. That isn't a crazy idea at all. 291 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: We think of terrorism as being something that it occurs 292 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: in a nine to eleven context or bombing context, but 293 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 1: the scariest way for terrorism to emerge in the future 294 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: is bio terror. We know that this virus attacks certain 295 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: comorbidities Clay. There also could be ways to adjust it 296 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: that it would go after certain genetic markers. There's you 297 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: start to do the people. You start to look at 298 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: what this could do, and it's terrifying. We'll come back 299 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: into the Stone a moment, no doubt, because it is 300 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: a monstrously huge story. 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This is James Golden, 315 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: host of the podcast series Rush Limbaugh, the man behind 316 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: the Golden EI microphone. The next episode in our series 317 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: is out. Make sure to listen wherever you get your podcast. 318 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: We're sharing so many behind the scenes stories. We remembering 319 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: the man. We love. My Pillow and Tunnels to Towers 320 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: Foundation are both sponsors. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck 321 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: Sexton show rolling through the first hour Wednesday edition of 322 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 1: the program. I'm Clay Travis. He is buck Sexton. Encourage 323 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: you just heard that great promo. Encourage you to go 324 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: sign up for the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton podcast. 325 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: All you have to do is put in Clay or 326 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: Buck on iTunes, on Spotify, on Google Play, wherever you 327 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: may go to listen to your podcast and you will 328 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: be able to listen to all three hours of this program, 329 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: including Senator Rampaul is going to join us in the 330 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,959 Speaker 1: third hour, including yesterday we were joined by Senator Ted Cruz. 331 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: By the way, we're talking about the massive story of 332 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: how COVID came to and be a virus, where did 333 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: it come from? And the debate between Rand Paul and 334 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: doctor Fauci over that. What I also say, we were 335 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: having a discussion in the first hour. I like to 336 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: give out book recommendations because I'm an old man who 337 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: still reads print publications a lot. Uh and The Ghost 338 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: Map the book that I was referencing. The Ghost Map, 339 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: the story of London's most terrifying epidemic and how it 340 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: changed science, cities and the modern world. It's the story 341 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: of England in the nineteenth century. You've read it as well. 342 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: Buck and how John snow A, I would say, rebel 343 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: physician challenged the prevailing Moray's of science to demonstrate that 344 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: cholera was spread through water, not by basically smell, which 345 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: was the idea at the time of how virus is spread. 346 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: It turned out that John Snow did not know nothing 347 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: for you game of throws, So doctor john Snow that 348 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,719 Speaker 1: different John, but that But I think that's so important 349 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: because Clay, you know, you and I clan hin orways 350 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: talking off air as well, and we've got a million 351 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: ideas we always want to get onto the show. And 352 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: one thing is just I believe and Clay and I 353 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: share this because we both do like to geek out 354 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: on history stuff that if people knew the history of 355 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: modern medicine, specifically how breakthroughs have always come in the 356 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: face of consensus and expert opposition, they would feel very differently. 357 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: That's right. And you know, when you look at what 358 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: was thought to be the proper procedure, you know, starting 359 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: in the middle of the nineteenth century and then going 360 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: into the early twentieth century for medicine, for how disease spreads, 361 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: for any number of critical factors, the people who thought 362 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: they were the geniuses, Clay, they were often wrong. Conventional 363 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: wisdom is often wrong because it's become conventional, and so 364 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: few people are willing to challenge it. I'll give you 365 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: an example, Buck. This is a crazy one, but it's 366 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: some thing that probably a lot of our listeners have 367 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: dealt with. Which way to put a baby in a 368 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: crib has been debated, and there have been different consensuses 369 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: over years, and they told people the exact wrong thing 370 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: to do right And I can't even remember now because 371 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: I haven't had a baby in a while, so I 372 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: don't want to miss I don't want to miss give 373 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: advice to people. But the question was, Hey, when you 374 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: have a baby, should you lay that baby on its 375 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: back or should you lay that baby on its stomach 376 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: in an effort to try to avoid sudden infant death syndrome, 377 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: which is safer to do for a newborn and for 378 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: everybody out there who has ever had a newborn. You 379 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 1: read everything, you try to study up. You want to 380 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: make sure that you're giving your child, certainly grandparents as well, 381 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: the best possible advantage you can. And we have oftentimes 382 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: taught people science has because science can get it wrong, 383 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: the exact opposite of what they should be doing. The 384 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: conventional wisdom can be wrong, and this is something that 385 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: I'm talking about SIDS that has been studied for decades 386 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: trying to figure out why young, otherwise healthy babies suddenly 387 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: die in their cribs, and we got so much wrong 388 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,719 Speaker 1: about that. Well, with COVID, we're talking about a brand 389 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: new virus that we are learning about in real time. 390 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: Much of the conventional wisdom surrounding COVID has already been 391 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: proven to be wrong or been proven to be adjusted. 392 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: Just look at Fauci saying nobody should wear a mask, 393 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: which was conventional wisdom, and then they flip it, and 394 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: the same thing about which drugs help, the same thing 395 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: about whether ventilators are helpful. I mean, if you go 396 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: study the quote conventional wisdom of COVID, it has adjusted 397 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: in real time, including up to whether or not COVID 398 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: originated from a lab which was banned from discussion on Facebook. 399 00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: I am a believer and I know you are two 400 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: buck that we have to have real debate in order 401 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: to get to the essence. That's what the scientific method is. 402 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure that's the entire purpose of science. I'm sure 403 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people listening bank at JP Morgan Chase 404 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: and I mentioned this before, and this is just one 405 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: of my favorite little bits of health history and policy. 406 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: It all started with the Manhattan Company, which was founded 407 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: in seventeen ninety nine. But I guess who. Aaron Burr, 408 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: the guy who ended up shooting Alexander Hamilton. He founded 409 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: the Manhattan Company in seventeen ninety nine. You had to 410 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: have a charter from the State of New York in 411 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: order to set up a bank, and at that point, 412 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: the Bank of New York, Hamilton's Bank of New York 413 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: had a monopoly. So Burr, his rival says, you know what, 414 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: I want a charter. But to get the charter you 415 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: had to provide a public service. What was the public 416 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,719 Speaker 1: service the provision of clean water into the city of 417 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: New York. Why because they had a feeling, but they 418 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 1: weren't quite sure that there was something wrong with the 419 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: water people drinking, because particularly in the tenements on the 420 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: Lower East Side, they would be outbreaking of yellow fever 421 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: of cholera, and thousands and thousands of people would die. 422 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: So the Manhattan Company later on became and then now 423 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: went through a couple of centuries of changes, turned into 424 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: the Chemical Bank. Those of you who remember Chemical Bank, 425 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: the symbol is oceanis because it was about providing water originally, 426 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: and then later on it became JP more or it 427 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: was the Chase Manhattan Bank and then became JP Morgan, 428 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: Chase and Coach. I think is either one of the biggest. 429 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: I think it's the top three biggest banks in the world. McLay. 430 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: It was all to get people in New York clean 431 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: water so they wouldn't die from diseases that they weren't 432 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: sure how they would get. And I would just note, 433 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: you know, they didn't end up bringing in the water 434 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: from a state like they were supposed to. They relied 435 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 1: on dirty reservoirs because they said, well, we can make 436 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: more money that way, and you know that water is 437 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: clean enough. No, it wasn't. By the way, Buck, this 438 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: is funny. My mom is listening right now and she 439 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: wants to make sure that I get the baby's right. So, 440 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: but this is interesting. She said, when I was born, 441 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: and so I was born in nineteen seventy nine, they 442 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: said put babies on their stomachs. That was the way 443 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: you were supposed to put baby in put a baby 444 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: on its stomach, And now the idea is you put 445 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: babies on their back. So I thought that was right, 446 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: but I didn't want to mess it up. But so 447 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: in the space of my generation, when I was a kid, 448 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: we were told, hey, put them on their stomachs. By 449 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,479 Speaker 1: the time that I have my own kids now to 450 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: fight SIDS, it's put them on their back. And I 451 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: just use that as an example because that is something 452 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: that was told to everyone at the essence of how 453 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: do you take care of a baby that ended up 454 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: being wrong because they're still learning what the correct data 455 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: would show with SIDS. I know, I'm not trying to 456 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: be flipping about this, because I know we're talking about 457 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: COVID and a pandemic and it's been horrible, But just 458 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: to compare it to other convention more recent conventional wisdom 459 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: from from science, right, we all learned the food pyramid. 460 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: Now that we understand more about obesity, type two diabetes, 461 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: breakdown of carbohydrates, glucose in the bloodstream, now that we 462 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: understand those things better, we realize being told to eat 463 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: twelve servings twelve servings six to twelve was the advice 464 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: of grain every day. Is bad for human beings, but 465 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: it is good for big agricultural companies who make a 466 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: lot of money selling weed and corn, and these things 467 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: and putting products that are shelf stable out there. So look, 468 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: I understand that's not a life threatening virus. But the 469 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: point that Clinton are making, you know eggs give you 470 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: heart disease, false eggs are actually excellent for you and 471 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: do not create the cholesterol that causes heart attacks. Dietary 472 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: cholesterol is not the problem. The point is we have 473 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: not been able to have a real discussion. We've had 474 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: shut up, peasant, do what you're told on questions, on 475 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: the lab, leak theory, on vaccines, on everything, and I 476 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: think people are finally at just a very basic intellectual 477 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: level saying this is crazy. We can't do this anymore. 478 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: And it's even scarier because we have allowed big tech 479 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: to police what we are able to discuss. And look, 480 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 1: there will be and often is, scientific consensus, and that 481 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: is what we should push towards. But the idea that 482 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: there has ever been any scientific consensus with one hundred 483 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: percent certainty with a brand new novel virus is crazy. 484 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: And that is why debate from scientists, whether it's the 485 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: Great Barrington people or whoever else it is buck needs 486 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: to happen because there are differing opinions about how to 487 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: respond to this virus. Not at the White House, Clay. 488 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: They want to shut you down, buddy, They want to 489 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: shut us all down for having these kinds of conversations. 490 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: We should give everyone an update on just how aggressive 491 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: they want. The censorship of ideas, a censorship of questions, 492 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: let's speak. You can't even do that. I'm just asking questions. 493 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: Can't even do that anymore. We'll come back into that 494 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: together here in just a moment. But we have this 495 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: amazing testimonial from Reggie in Florida. He says, I've got 496 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: a lot of pain from aging, and after only four 497 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: days of using Relief Factor, I'm already experiencing pain and stiffness. 498 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: Can wait to see how I feel in a couple 499 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: more weeks. 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Yeah, my wife, Look, she gets nervous when 509 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: I say her age, but she's forty four years old. 510 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: She just had her forty fourth birthday. She works out 511 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: thirty two. She does look like she's like thirty two. 512 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: Nobody believes that I'm younger than she is by a 513 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: little over a year. But she is in absolutely fantastic shape. 514 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: But sometimes when you work out really hard, you've got 515 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: a lot of aches and pains that you're trying to 516 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: recover from. 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Welcome 526 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I am Clay 527 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: TRAVISI is buck Sexton. We are discussing a lot of 528 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: different topics out there, in particular the Fauci versus Rand 529 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: Paul feud Ran Paul schedule to join us in the 530 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,479 Speaker 1: third hour of this program to talk about where COVID 531 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: came from, and we're discussing how oftentimes people embrace conventional 532 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: wisdom even though conventional wisdom is often wrong in science. 533 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: In particular, that's the case with COVID, where virtually everything 534 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: we were told last March when we had two weeks 535 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: to stop the spread, has later been found to be true, 536 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: much of it right. And as that has occurred, I 537 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: think it's natural that many people out there would be 538 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: skeptical that if you were wrong a lot about COVID 539 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: over the last year, that what you're saying now is 540 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: going to be right. And that goes directly to the 541 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: origination theory. Buck and I have both said that we 542 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: think if you look at the evidence, the most likely 543 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: story for where COVID came from is a Chinese lab. 544 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: You weren't allowed to talk about that on social media 545 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: for much of the last year. Now it seems to 546 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: be emerging as a consensus now. There are, however, plenty 547 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: of people out there who are willing to always take 548 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: conventional wisdom and run with it and not use their 549 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: own powers of thought or analysis. And not surprisingly, many 550 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: of those people work at CNN, and one of them 551 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: is Don Lemon. Here he was analyzing Rand Paul versus 552 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: doctor Fauci. What is wrong with Rand Paul? Seriously? I 553 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: know that's what you at home are thinking, because I'm 554 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: thinking the same thing. Wrong with him? What is he 555 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: trying to prove? There's nothing to prove there, and he 556 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: keeps embarrassing himself. Grandpaul, stop it. You look like an idiot. 557 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: The lying, the misinformation. It's why we can't bridge the 558 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: political gap, even though our lives are at stake, and 559 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: you still have people who are acting like Rand Paul. 560 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: Here's what A recent Washington Post ABC News poll found 561 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: that forty seven percent of Republicans were unlikely to get vaccinated. 562 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: Only six percent of Democrats were. So it's no surprise 563 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: at the White House is trying to fix us, trying 564 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: to bridge the gap by reaching out to wait for it, 565 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: the Fox propaganda network. I mean Don Lemon, to be fair, 566 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: Clay has substantial expertise in looking like an idiot, so 567 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: he speaks of what he knows. But I think he 568 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: is misidentifying it here very clearly by suggesting that Senator 569 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: and doctor Rand Paul, who, as we keep telling everybody, 570 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: we'll be joining us for a robust, deep dive discussion 571 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: into his let's just be honest Fauci throwdown. We'll talk 572 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: about that in the third hour of the program. And 573 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: what I continue to see here is that not only 574 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: have we had the expert class wrong and unwilling to 575 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: be even a little bit honest about it, Beyond that, 576 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: there's the reality of our media apparatus who have just 577 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: in the most disgraceful and obvious fashion, use this as 578 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: a political weapon the whole time. Even I would sit 579 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: here and say, I was Look, you and I have 580 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: both been right about a lot when it comes to 581 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: COVID in terms of prediction where this is going, what 582 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: we're going to see, And that's a matter of public record. 583 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: Your shows in the past, mine are Twitter accounts, you know, 584 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: I famously or not famously. But I called for double 585 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: masking as a mandate about four months before Fauci actually 586 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: said it. I said, just wait, but because I had 587 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: read actual mask studies that show that you know, a 588 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: cloth mask is basically a joke. But anyway, the and 589 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: hats at Alex Baronson for putting a lot of information 590 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: out there. I mean, Clay, I would sit here and say, 591 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: you know, hydroxy chloroquin was I willing to believe that 592 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: maybe that was an effective early intervention treatment. I was 593 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: willing to believe that. Does it look like it is now? 594 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: We haven't really had the studies, but it clearly didn't 595 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: get us out of the pandemic. It clearly wasn't some 596 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: cure all. So there are some areas where I was 597 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: willing to believe something and then had to had to 598 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 1: adjust course. The Fauciites never adjust course. It's oh, whatever 599 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: they are told and whatever they have thought has to 600 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: be the right thing, even when the data is in 601 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: direct opposition to it. And that's what science, if you 602 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: truly follow science, I mean, just use as an example, 603 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: when you have something that is wrong with you and 604 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: you go see doctors. How often do doctors disagree about 605 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,280 Speaker 1: what might be causing your problem? It happens all the time. 606 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: That's because much of science, especially with new viruses, is 607 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: as much an art as it is a science. You're 608 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: trying out arguments, you're examining the data. Are you know 609 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: sometimes what the result is, but you're trying to figure 610 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: out cause and effect. It's messy. It's super, super messy. 611 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: And what has happened with COVID since last March is 612 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: there's been a demand for certainty where the data has 613 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,479 Speaker 1: oftentimes not reflected that certainty being justified. And it's very 614 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: reasonable for intelligent people to want to know where COVID 615 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,879 Speaker 1: came from because we want to try to make sure 616 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: this doesn't happen again, and also to figure out how 617 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: it managed to become the pandemic that it did. That's 618 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: the most important thing we can solve now. But in 619 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: asking those questions important the lack of humility you see 620 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: from the media apparatus, which at every stage has acted 621 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: like not only was there an answer, Clay, and I'm 622 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,919 Speaker 1: in at every phase every decision. Should schools be open, 623 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,879 Speaker 1: should you mask? How well do vaccines work? How long 624 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: will they work? You? Should we have social distancing? And 625 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: restaurants when should they reopen? They have pretended to have 626 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,919 Speaker 1: certainty at every stage of this, and Fouch is they're 627 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: a little you know, lab coat tyrant leader, but clearly 628 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: they've been wrong. So a normal intelligent person would respond 629 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: to their wrongness by saying maybe I'm missing something, maybe 630 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: I need to adjust my process. 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