WEBVTT - Mrs. Doubtfire with Emily Heller 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.720 On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:07.680 women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:12.080 or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in best 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:16.079 start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hello and 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:18.440 welcome to the Beckdel Cast. My name is Caitlin, name 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:20.959 was Jamie, and you're listening to the podcast about the 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:25.480 portrayal of women in movies. It's true. Hey, guess what. Yeah, 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:28.680 when women in movies usually are not portrayed well or 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:33.280 at all. Oftentimes, just to start the cast out, ever 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:36.320 seen the movie the thing? Pretty sure there's no women 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:41.120 in it? No? Is that? Is that a vagina monster movie? Um? Yeah, 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:43.960 you could probably argue yes. I went on Okay, so 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:46.600 I went on a date last night and I pregamed 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:49.680 by watching Teeth. I didn't know you went on a date. 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:54.120 Listen it was white, Fine, you tell me it was. 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:58.400 I know that we're codependent. I did. It was an 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:00.520 impromptu and I was in the middle of watching teeth 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:02.920 and like, let me just finish watching teeth and then sure, 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.920 lets me. Yeah that's a great way to Yeah, I 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:09.480 can't recommend watching teeth before going on a first date. 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:13.520 Enough a blast. If you're not familiar with the movie teeth, 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.200 we'll get it. Yeah, well, we'll get there. But it's 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:21.440 about a woman whose vagina is full of teeth. She 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:30.240 bites dude sticks off with her vigilante justice feminist icon teeth. Yeah. 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:32.560 So this is the Betel cast we use for our 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:35.160 yardstick of how women are treated in film. We used 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.840 the Bechdel tests, inspired by Alison Bechtel, uh, and our 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:42.440 interpretation of it is the movie must have two female 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:45.920 characters with names speak to each other at some point 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:48.280 in the movie about something other than a man. Only 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.120 has to be I think that this comes up a lot. 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:52.279 People were like, oh, it has to be a whole scene, 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.520 then nothing would pass. It literally has to be two 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:59.320 lines of dialogue that happens, the lowest bar possible, all right, 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:02.360 And yet so many movies managed to still not pass 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:05.360 the Bechtel test, some of the most famous movies of 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:08.760 all time. I'm excited about the movie we're talking about today. Yes, 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:12.040 So before we talk about it, though, let's introduce our guest. 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:16.639 She is a comedian. She is terrific. Emily Heller, Hello, 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:27.520 are you doing Mrs delt Am? Why wouldn't I amazing 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:32.600 that really it always gets a laugh. So we're talking 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:35.840 about Mrs deult Fire. We are. Did you first see 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.600 the movie? What's your history with this movie? Okay, I 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:41.440 definitely saw it as a kid, possibly when it came out, 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:45.840 I don't remember, but then I definitely watched it again 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:49.400 as an adult, you know, maybe like eight years ago, 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:55.240 then again yesterday. You know, I'm from the Bay Area too, 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:59.400 So okay, the bus that Mrs Doubtfire gets on is 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:04.000 a bus I used to ride when I lived there, exactly. Yeah, 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:08.000 And you know, I started comedy in San Francisco, so 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:11.600 I was like Robin Williams was like around, Wow, yeah, 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:15.400 that's wild. But yeah, so I feel like pretty connected 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:17.880 to this movie in a lot of boys. Sure, this 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:21.040 movie was a huge movie of my childhood. There were 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:23.680 like probably like ten different movies that I just watched 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:26.720 all the time. This was one of them. I saw 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:34.720 The Brave Little Toaster a lot, Jumanji. Dude. I got 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:36.760 in so much trouble, Like the most trouble I ever 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:38.280 got in as a kid was when I was eleven 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.720 years old. It was the first time ever my parents 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.040 were letting me go to the movies without an adult. 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:45.920 They organized this whole thing where this big group of girls, 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:48.920 We're going to go see Tom and Hook. Yeah, that 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.800 JTT movie. And then while we were in line winning 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.400 to buy tickets, one of the girls revealed that she 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.040 had not seen Jumanji, and we were all like, you 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.600 haven't seen Jumanji. And we got to the front of 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:01.640 the line. We like, does Jumanji get out at the 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:03.680 same time as Tom and Huck? And they were like yeah, 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:06.760 and they were like, we're seeing Jumanji instead, Like, I 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.360 changed the plans. We went to go see Jumanji instead. 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:11.840 Jumanji did not get out at the same time as 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:15.320 Tom and Huck got out twenty minutes later, and my mom, 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:18.000 who had showed up to the movie theater to pick 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:23.240 us up, thought we had all been kidnapped. She waited 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.239 outside the exit of Tom and Huck watched every single 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.920 person leave, none of us were in there, and she 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:33.120 was so furious with me. Did you ever end up 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:36.280 seeing Tom and Huck? Though? No, I didn't know. Here's 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:43.000 a thing, but I did see again, that's fine JT very. 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.839 I mean, yeah, I wasn't that big of a JTT fan. 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:47.760 I mean I kind of was, but I didn't really 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.640 know it was JT T. Is he? Because there's J T. T. 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:54.080 And then every child slash teen actor of that era 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:57.240 who looks exactly like him, but wasn't him. Um, no 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:01.200 one looks exactly like that. No one had the same sparkle. 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.520 It was truly. It was his coloring of like the 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:08.240 dark eyebrows and the light eyes and sandy hair. It 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:12.040 was like a very unusual the contrast. Yeah, the contrast, 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:15.560 and that's like smirky. I can't even picture Big Treasure 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.760 Island is or is that a J T T. Poser? 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:21.599 Great question? You know what, let me check it out. 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:26.320 I'm most familiar with the Christmas Carol top the podcast, 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:29.920 the Gang. It's not him, it's not him. Yeah, there's 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.080 just a lot of lookalikes out there. I do like 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:35.560 on a Muppet movie Wikipedia page, they build all of 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:40.039 the Muppets before any human. Top build is Kermit the 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:42.560 frogs as it should be, I guess, But Kermit the 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:48.480 Frog got build before Tim Curry. Anyways, this is top Fire. 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.720 So yeah, I saw this movie a ton as a kid, 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:56.279 but I hadn't seen it probably for fifteen or twenty years. 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:02.039 Watching it again. Interesting, it's interesting things that happened. What 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.360 about you, Jamie, what's your history? I didn't see this 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.040 movie for a while. My older cousins would watch it 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.360 all the time, but I wasn't allowed to. And then 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:11.360 eventually I think I probably saw it around the time 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:14.200 it was like seven or eight, and then probably again 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.600 in high school and then again for this but I hadn't. 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:18.680 I haven't seen it in like a good at least 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.279 between ten and fifteen years, like it's been. It's been 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.320 a bit. And yeah, there are some there have been 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:27.320 some big cultural shifts that would have make this movie 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:30.480 somewhat impossible. Now, I will say the writer of this 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:32.839 movie Randy myam singer. She and I follow each other 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:36.960 on Twitter. She's an outspoken feminist. She seems really cool. Yeah, 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.960 the movie was written by two women, and then it's 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:42.800 adapted from a novel, also written by a woman. There's 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.760 a lot of interesting gray area. It's been adapted from 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:51.119 a novel, a novel called Madam Doubtfire alias Madam doubt 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:56.280 Fire and I Love alias Madame tout Fire. Makes it 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.320 sound like a spy movie, which it sort of is. Yeah, 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:04.640 he's definitely spying on his family, his wife and her 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:13.400 New Relationship, also directed by Chris Columbus of the first 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:17.640 two Harry Potter movies and Home Alone Alone and the 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:23.000 Really Stinky on screen adaptation of Rent. Oh Yeah, Oh, 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.640 Chris Cars, you're all over the place, buddy, what's happening Anyways, 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:30.360 he's a millionaire. We're fine. I'll do the recap of 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:35.600 Mrs Stuffire. Mrs stuff Fire is about a man named 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:39.880 Daniel Hallard played by Robin Williams, and he's a party anymore. 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:41.440 He has kids and he loves him. He wants to 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:44.920 have fun with them, and he's dad. He's a bad dad. 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:50.120 And he was married to Miranda played by Sally Field. 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.200 And he throws a party for his twelve year old 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.920 son and she comes in on it. The house is 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.800 a mess. She's like, this is too much. Well, and 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.160 she to he wasn't allowed to have a birthday party 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:04.000 because his grades were two less right, so he So 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:08.160 this is a classic the cool parent overriding the mean parents. 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:11.360 Like he's he's like acting like a dad who's already 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:15.920 been divorced, right, Like, why are you acting out of 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:20.240 spite like this towards a woman you're currently alright? Well, 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.240 so yeah, she comes home. She's fed up with all 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:26.000 of his antics, and she was like, let's get a 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:29.400 divorce and he's like no. And in the divorce proceedings 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:32.320 he's granted no custody except for like he can only 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.280 see them on Saturdays or something like that, and he's like, 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.839 I need to see my kids more. And he finds 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:38.680 out that Miranda is going to take out an ad 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:42.920 in the newspaper to hire a housekeeper. So he goes 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:46.920 to his brother, who is a makeup artist for the 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:52.000 movies for Hollywood, except not Stage Francisco. First, he sabotages 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:54.800 the ad so that she can't get any real inquiries, right, 0:08:55.200 --> 0:09:01.120 some classic print journalism manipulation. Yeah, and then yeah, So 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.520 he calls and puts on this whole facade of like 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.440 I'm the best, I'm Mrs doubtfund. So his his brother, 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:11.679 who is like does makeup for movies. He calls him 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:14.720 up and says, make me a woman, and his brother says, 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:18.240 I'm so happy for you, which is like, oh, this 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.360 is a very this is a joke. I didn't notice 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.720 as a kid. There are tons of those, and and 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.760 begs a lot of questions of like why did he 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:31.280 like that? Doesn't the character, and that statement didn't necessarily 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:33.320 like line up, but I was like, oh, interesting, what's 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:37.000 the story there? Yeah, so yeah, he makes all these 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.680 like this prosthetic mask and this whole body suit and 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:43.560 everything like that to turn Daniel into Mrs Doubtfire and 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:49.480 then he poses as the family's housekeeper. Four months. Yeah 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:53.240 it seems like it's months. Yeah, it's a while. Sally Field, 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:58.880 while an intelligent and empowered woman, does not recognize it's 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:02.680 for ex husband. That is definitely the biggest buye in 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:06.600 this movie is that she does not recognize she's capable 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:10.480 in literally every other way. And also, I don't know 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:11.880 if you either of you have been in like a 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:16.640 long term relationship, but there's one thing I know very well, 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:20.040 and it's my boyfriend's face, you know what I mean, 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.480 Like I see that thing all the time. I know 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:27.760 exactly what his teeth looked like. I know exactly, I know, 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:31.560 you know, and they did do like fake teeth and 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:35.760 like lots of prosthetics and stuff like that. But but 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:40.280 he's recognizable as Robin Williams. Yeah, you've had three children 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:44.440 with this, Like this person has been inside you would 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.120 thank you as someone who has never been in a 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.440 long term relationship, but knows how faces work. I do, 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:55.800 I think I would recognize anyway. Yeah, so no one. 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:57.640 I feel like that's a big problem for the movie. 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:01.160 TUTSI as well. But yeah, well, now, the thing is, 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:04.560 this movie is set in San Francisco, which I think 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:08.040 at the time probably had one of the most robust 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:11.760 transgender communities in the entire country. You don't live in 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:16.280 San Francisco and not know about transgender people, especially if 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.240 you're like an adult. What I'm saying is like, it's 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:20.920 a lot easier for transgender people to pass sometimes in 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.600 like the middle of America or like places where there 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.040 are no transgender people because no one's looking for it. 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.600 And so the fact that that also wasn't a factor 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:33.040 in this, Like there's a few tongue in cheek jokes, 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:35.080 but you're like, why is this set in the one 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.200 city where this would be the hardest to pull off? 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:41.480 That's true and I mean necessary. Yeah, I mean maybe 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.640 she thought that Mrs Doubtfire was just a transgender woman 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:46.480 and just didn't say anything about it, which would be 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:50.920 interesting also but would be pretty progressive to not call out. 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:53.880 And yeah, but there's no mention in that, and instead 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:58.400 there is like whenever Daniel is making calls to basically 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:00.960 make it so that Mrs doubt Fire when she calls 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:04.680 is going to be like the best possible scenarios, right, 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.840 because he does this whole like montage of calling calling, 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.520 of doing like bad candidates, and one of the bad 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:13.400 candidates is him saying I don't work with the males 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:15.960 because I used to be one, and then oh yeah, 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:19.640 and then she's like oh, She's like yikes and hangs 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:22.920 up the phone, and it's like, but also like, I 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:26.160 get that it was teeing up that terrible transphobic joke, 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:29.720 but why would a transgender woman not want to work 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:34.880 with boys like that? Logically, like, setting aside the transphobia 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:39.480 of that joke, what is the logical explanation for makes 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:43.480 no sense? That just doesn't track on anyone. Yeah, So 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:47.520 basically Daniel works as Mrs del Fire for the family's 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:52.320 housekeeper for months, yes, taking care of the kids, being 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.280 a better father than he ever had been before basically, 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:57.320 which is kind of in some ways makes them more 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:00.840 culpable because it's like, Okay, you understand how rules can 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.400 benefit children, and you understood it before you just were 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:07.600 unwilling to enforce it. Cool, but as a woman, not 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:11.120 as much of a problem. Yeah, there's some weird, some 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.520 weirdness going on. Yeah, and then his two older children 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:17.920 find out about his true identity and he tells them 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:20.040 to keep it a secret. And then towards the end, 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:23.480 at the big dinner scene with all the switchers between 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:27.800 his like big work opportunity and then the birthday dinner 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:30.280 for his ex wife. For his ex wife, Sally Field's 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:34.360 character finds out, Oh, you're actually my husband faking being 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:37.600 our our housekeeper at this whole touch and Sally Fields, 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:42.640 I mean just a sec that's yeah, the fucking distrust 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:44.600 I would have of every person around me for the 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.640 following five years of my life, right, you know what 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:50.120 I mean, especially upon finding out that it's like, oh, 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:54.400 also two of my children new and my my ex 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:58.319 husband like swore his children to secretly. There's just he 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.040 was also asked me a lot lot of questions about 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.120 my sex life with my new boyfriend, which just makes 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.760 the ending of this movie. It's a family movie, but 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:11.480 like makes the end completely bananas, Like yeah, right, because 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.280 then I mean they have a fight. He's granted no 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:19.360 custody he gets supervised visits, but he starts playing Mrs 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:24.800 Delfire on TV, so I guess he's trustworthy. And then 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.480 Miranda approaches him at work and she's like, you know what, 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:30.040 things were better? You should see the kids and da 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.560 da da. And then because she realizes that she can't 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:34.840 find another housekeeper as good as Mrs doubts there and 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:36.680 they all miss her and they're like, She's like, what 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:38.880 are we talking about. She's not a real person. Why 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:42.360 are we talking but yeah, yeah, and then like she 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.280 opens the door to their new housekeeper, and then it's 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:48.240 the reveal that it's Daniel, and she's like, you can 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.040 hang out with your dad more. Yeah, the end every 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:55.600 day after school. Yeah, okay. I do kind of think 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:59.120 it's interesting that they bothered to include the custody battle 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.480 of like, oh, for sure he would not get custody 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:03.840 after all of this, I was like, oh that, I mean, 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:08.280 that seems kind of realistic, or more realistic than than 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:10.080 a lot of parts of the movie. But then at 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.720 the end, it just it bugged me that like Sally 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.680 Field's character is the one to be like, you know what, 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:19.240 I was not wrong, but like I forgive you for 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:25.840 this massive weirda. Yeah, yeah, I mean she does seem 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:27.800 like she's being a little bit too forgiving, but she's 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:30.000 also like, I think this is the best outcome for 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:33.080 my kids, you know what I mean, how do you 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:37.120 protect your kids after something like that? So yeah, it's 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:40.640 definitely messed up. But I can see if I've learn 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.280 like a kid and then I found out my dad 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.080 was doing this thing that was like kind of funny 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.520 to me and kind of bizarre, I would be like, 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:51.320 oh Dad, what, but like cool, I don't know, I 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.880 wouldn't be like afraid of Yeah, I mean like giving 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:58.760 it the most possible credit. It's like she probably assessed 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.880 that her kids were not traumatized by this, is not 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:07.560 visibly traumatized by it, and that it was In performing 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:14.440 the Mrs Doubtfire ruse, he demonstrated his willingness to change 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:19.160 his parenting style to write adjust for the things that 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:23.760 he needed to. But also but also it is Doubtfire 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:28.040 like it is bizarre because it's like, you know, he 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:32.320 is more like Daniel is more respectful of her parenting 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:35.160 style by the end of the movie and definitely like 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:37.920 sees the value of it. But but again, it's like 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:39.960 we sort of see that he knows that at the beginning, 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:44.360 he's just not doing it. Yeah, right, he This movie 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.680 is just like it's yeah, but that's it. It is 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:52.080 a way longer than I remember. Over two hours long. 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:56.120 Oh man, it's insanely long. But but it's I mean, 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:59.200 I enjoy this movie. It's just there's just so much 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:01.880 like this movie could not be made right now. I 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:06.040 just get thinking of the storyline in Arrested Development when 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:10.600 Tobias the Mrs feather Bottom combination Mary Poppins and Mrs 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:14.360 dowdfire thing. Yeah, but the joke there is that everyone 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:18.159 knows that it's clearly Tobias playing this character. They're just 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:26.480 tolerating it, yeah, and letting him do housework, let go 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.600 to free labor. So one of the first things I 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:31.879 wanted to bring up about the movie as it relates 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.280 to the portrayal of women is a segment that I 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:40.560 call breaking Shrews. It's like breaking news discussion the shrews 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:44.240 in the movie. I appreciate that quietly, thank you so much. 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:48.359 Pretty Much every female character that we see on screen, 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:52.199 basically everyone is presented as a shrewish character. In some 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:58.680 aside from Marral Wilson's character rest too young to Shrew 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:02.920 quite yet just about everyone else, including the older daughter 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:05.320 lydia Um. She's the one who's all like, no, we 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:08.159 shouldn't have a party. Mom said we couldn't. Later on, 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:12.280 she is judging her dad's apartment that he moves into 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.679 and she's like, this place is detestable. She's always just 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:18.800 kind of being like rules, rules, rules, I'm no fun, right, 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:24.520 impossible to please. Yeah. Then we see the neighbor lady 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:29.240 who basically knarcs on them for having a giant, disruptive 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:33.159 party with barn animals. Yeah, but she's all like, I'm 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:35.679 going to tell on you, and she calls Miranda at 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:39.080 work about it, and who then comes in and Shrew's 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:42.280 out shrews herself right into a divorce. And when I 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:46.560 was a kid, When I was a kid, I definitely 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:50.800 was like, oh, yeah, she's a mean mom. I was 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:53.040 so on Daniel side when I was Yes, And now 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.240 now I see this movie and I'm like, I'm on 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.920 Miranda's so on her side. I feel like, what that's 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.719 thing about this movie that is like both brilliant and sad, 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:06.000 which is that like kids totally see the mom character 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:08.760 as the bad guy, but as a woman. I was like, oh, 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:11.440 this was made for me in some ways, because it's like, 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.280 I feel like, in some ways, a very compassionate portrayal 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:19.440 of Sally Field. She gets ample opportunity to explain all 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:23.199 of the ways that Daniel's behavior ruined their marriage and 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:26.320 it's totally totally legit. And then she gets to have 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:33.720 this fucking fantasy hot boyfriend here who's like, I've been 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:38.080 following her career and like her career success is a 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:40.640 big part of like why he's attracted to her, and 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:43.920 he's like totally like giving her everything. In some ways, 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.640 it's like total wish fulfillment for her. In some ways 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:51.440 like oh, I'm just one breakup away from stew from 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:56.600 sucking pre James Bond Below seven. He is truly a 0:19:56.680 --> 0:20:00.800 vision in this movie. Yeah he's he's like but I mean, 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:04.520 like the camera loves him. There's that whole like diving 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:09.320 board scene. I was just like, I was not expecting 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:11.800 to get Horney during this movie, but I forgot about 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:19.040 ste Nipples. You do see stuis Nips new sub podcast 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:24.200 stuis Nips There. I was expecting going into this movie 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:26.880 because I remember the same same as you, like, not 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:28.439 liking the mom when I was little and being like, 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:30.919 oh my god, she's so mean, She's so terrible, and 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:33.600 also having a very clear like map in my head 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:36.160 of like this is like my parents, where like my 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:39.520 mom is a disciplinarian and my dad is same fun, 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:41.840 same dynamic with my parents. Yeah, I think it's like 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:44.199 a lot of kids parents and and so I remember 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.960 thinking that mom was so mean. But the movie, Yeah, 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:49.760 to its credit, I was expecting a far more like 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:53.360 villainized portrayal of Sally Fields character. But she she does 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:56.600 at every point, like I tried to put myself in 0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:59.119 my mom's head seeing this movie. I'm like, I wonder 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:04.399 if she felt heard, she felt piste off. Robin Williams 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:07.320 started doing some weird you know, I don't know, well, 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:10.000 I mean, and I think it depends on the audience 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:12.520 who's consuming this. When we said when we're kids, were like, 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:15.960 oh boo, mean mom. But we has grown women who 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:20.080 often either have to ourselves or see other women carrying 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:24.040 all the burdens in the emotional labor of maintaining a household, 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:26.240 and we're like, yeah, we hear you, we get it. 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:31.879 It's just frustrating, but she is. You know, nothing's really 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:37.120 done to make her seem like a more reasonable, compelling 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:40.440 character to the young audience who's seeing this. I think 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:43.560 so we as children who I think this movie is 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:48.040 the target demographic for, or like families, people with kids, 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:51.040 the movie is like, yeah, she's the shrewe, she's the 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:53.520 bad guy. She doesn't get her say if the cat 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:57.400 moment at all? Yeah, absolutely, yeah, We're like there there 0:21:57.400 --> 0:21:59.920 could have been a moment in this movie where, because 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:03.840 she has opportunities to explain where she's coming from, we 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:06.320 know that she's not a bad person, she's not a 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:11.040 bad parent, but but at no point her kids express 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:13.320 an interest in spending time with her. At no point 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:17.639 do we understand, Like we as adults can conceptually understand 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:20.000 like she's doing all this stuff for the good of 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:22.840 her children, But at no point, as a kid watching 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:25.439 this did I think what a cool mom? You know, 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:28.480 I never thought, like, you never really see her doing 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:31.600 anything for the kids that's like fun and sometimes you 0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:33.760 like you need that, and especially when you're young. I 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:37.359 remember my first movie I saw that took place in 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:39.240 San Francisco when I was a kid, was the Princess 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:42.840 Diaries and the mom that movie rules. I mean, she 0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:45.760 she's like a full time artist, but there's like scenes 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:48.560 where she and like Mia are like having an awesome 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:51.520 time together, and it's like, oh, even though you know, 0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:54.919 like she has to have her mom moments like Miranda 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:57.119 does in this movie, Like we see that there's a 0:22:57.160 --> 0:22:59.720 relationship there, but that's not really here, And I feel 0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:03.600 like that might be partially connected to like a working 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:06.520 woman kind of stigma of like, oh, she's a little 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:08.439 bit she's not a bad mom, she's a little bit 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:11.800 cold kind of thing. Yeah, she's got a career. She 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:15.199 doesn't have as much time or energy to be a kind, 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:19.200 caring mother right something. She's not around enough to realize 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:24.040