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Speaker 1: On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,

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Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in best

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hello and

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Beckdel Cast. My name is Caitlin, name

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Speaker 1: was Jamie, and you're listening to the podcast about the

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Speaker 1: portrayal of women in movies. It's true. Hey, guess what. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when women in movies usually are not portrayed well or

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Speaker 1: at all. Oftentimes, just to start the cast out, ever

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Speaker 1: seen the movie the thing? Pretty sure there's no women

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Speaker 1: in it? No? Is that? Is that a vagina monster movie? Um? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you could probably argue yes. I went on Okay, so

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Speaker 1: I went on a date last night and I pregamed

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Speaker 1: by watching Teeth. I didn't know you went on a date.

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Speaker 1: Listen it was white, Fine, you tell me it was.

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Speaker 1: I know that we're codependent. I did. It was an

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Speaker 1: impromptu and I was in the middle of watching teeth

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Speaker 1: and like, let me just finish watching teeth and then sure,

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Speaker 1: lets me. Yeah that's a great way to Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: can't recommend watching teeth before going on a first date.

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Speaker 1: Enough a blast. If you're not familiar with the movie teeth,

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Speaker 1: we'll get it. Yeah, well, we'll get there. But it's

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Speaker 1: about a woman whose vagina is full of teeth. She

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Speaker 1: bites dude sticks off with her vigilante justice feminist icon teeth. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So this is the Betel cast we use for our

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Speaker 1: yardstick of how women are treated in film. We used

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Speaker 1: the Bechdel tests, inspired by Alison Bechtel, uh, and our

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Speaker 1: interpretation of it is the movie must have two female

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Speaker 1: characters with names speak to each other at some point

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Speaker 1: in the movie about something other than a man. Only

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Speaker 1: has to be I think that this comes up a lot.

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Speaker 1: People were like, oh, it has to be a whole scene,

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Speaker 1: then nothing would pass. It literally has to be two

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Speaker 1: lines of dialogue that happens, the lowest bar possible, all right,

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Speaker 1: And yet so many movies managed to still not pass

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Speaker 1: the Bechtel test, some of the most famous movies of

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Speaker 1: all time. I'm excited about the movie we're talking about today. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So before we talk about it, though, let's introduce our guest.

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Speaker 1: She is a comedian. She is terrific. Emily Heller, Hello,

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Speaker 1: are you doing Mrs delt Am? Why wouldn't I amazing

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Speaker 1: that really it always gets a laugh. So we're talking

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Speaker 1: about Mrs deult Fire. We are. Did you first see

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Speaker 1: the movie? What's your history with this movie? Okay, I

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Speaker 1: definitely saw it as a kid, possibly when it came out,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember, but then I definitely watched it again

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Speaker 1: as an adult, you know, maybe like eight years ago,

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Speaker 1: then again yesterday. You know, I'm from the Bay Area too,

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Speaker 1: So okay, the bus that Mrs Doubtfire gets on is

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Speaker 1: a bus I used to ride when I lived there, exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And you know, I started comedy in San Francisco, so

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Speaker 1: I was like Robin Williams was like around, Wow, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's wild. But yeah, so I feel like pretty connected

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Speaker 1: The Brave Little Toaster a lot, Jumanji. Dude. I got

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Speaker 1: They organized this whole thing where this big group of girls,

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Speaker 1: We're going to go see Tom and Hook. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: Great question? You know what, let me check it out.

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Speaker 1: I'm most familiar with the Christmas Carol top the podcast,

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Speaker 1: on a Muppet movie Wikipedia page, they build all of

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Speaker 1: frogs as it should be, I guess, But Kermit the

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I saw this movie a ton as a kid,

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Speaker 1: but I hadn't seen it probably for fifteen or twenty years.

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Speaker 1: Watching it again. Interesting, it's interesting things that happened. What

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Speaker 1: about you, Jamie, what's your history? I didn't see this

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Speaker 1: movie for a while. My older cousins would watch it

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Speaker 1: between ten and fifteen years, like it's been. It's been

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Speaker 1: a bit. And yeah, there are some there have been

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Speaker 1: the movie was written by two women, and then it's

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Speaker 1: adapted from a novel, also written by a woman. There's

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Speaker 1: a novel, a novel called Madam Doubtfire alias Madam doubt

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Speaker 1: Fire and I Love alias Madame tout Fire. Makes it

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Speaker 1: sound like a spy movie, which it sort of is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Chris Cars, you're all over the place, buddy, what's happening Anyways,

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Speaker 1: Mrs Stuffire. Mrs stuff Fire is about a man named

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Speaker 1: Daniel Hallard played by Robin Williams, and he's a party anymore.

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Speaker 1: He has kids and he loves him. He wants to

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Speaker 1: And he was married to Miranda played by Sally Field.

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Speaker 1: And he throws a party for his twelve year old

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Speaker 1: this is a classic the cool parent overriding the mean parents.

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Speaker 1: Like he's he's like acting like a dad who's already

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Speaker 1: movies for Hollywood, except not Stage Francisco. First, he sabotages

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Speaker 1: some classic print journalism manipulation. Yeah, and then yeah, So

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Speaker 1: And so the fact that that also wasn't a factor

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Speaker 1: that the movie is making because him not having a

424
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 1: job is you know, like a deal is made of it,

425
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 1: where in some ways, like I think it's like portrayed

426
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: a lot of like you know, a man not having

427
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: not being the breadwinner of the family is portrayed not

428
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: not in extreme ways by this movie, but that's like

429
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: somehow stripped him of his masculinity in some ways. Well,

430
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: and we should point out too that when we first

431
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: meet him, it's when he quits his job because they're

432
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,239
Speaker 1: trying to make him do a pro cigarette voice over

433
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: for a children's cartoon, which is a very easy way

434
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: to get people on your side, to be like, I'm

435
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: quitting because I don't think kids should smoke cigarettes. They're like, oh,

436
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 1: we're on board. We love this guy. Yeah. Um, And

437
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 1: so you're like, oh, well, it's not his fault he

438
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 1: doesn't have a job, like he quit and righteous anger,

439
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: right right, And I love how the movie portrays that

440
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: as something that could just happen, like oh no, there

441
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: every day. Yeah, sometimes you just have to walk off

442
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: the job that you probably have signed a contract for,

443
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: just leave by walking off that day. Anyway, So Sally

444
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: Field's character is pretty shrewish throughout the movie. There's a

445
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: few other shrews that I wanted to mention. The grandma

446
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: who doesn't even get any lines and you only see

447
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: here for like one very brief scene, but but he

448
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: makes a crack about her being dead, being a corpse

449
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 1: and like smelling like from alde Hyde. The court liaison

450
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: lady Mrs Selner something that, Yeah, she's an old shrewish

451
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: lady with his divorce parole officer, which is like that,

452
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that it does. The way that custody

453
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: is traded in this movie is like a little uncanny valley,

454
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: like is he being watched that carefully? For where are

455
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: these government resources going? Also, you don't ever see this

456
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: character on screen, but Daniel's brother Frank played by Harvey

457
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: fin scene. Sorry, um, sorry, it's for sounding so intense.

458
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,719
Speaker 1: Actually he is on the phone with their mother and

459
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 1: she's like ba ba bad, like being all and he's like,

460
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk to mom about my divorce. Yeah,

461
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: just very overbearing mother. And they're like no, no thanks,

462
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: and they're just very dismissive of her. So generally, any

463
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: woman you see on screen is probably portrayed as a

464
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: shrewd oh. And then the housekeeper who comes into interview

465
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: at the very end when they're trying to find someone

466
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: to replace Mrs Doubtfire, she's not like, I don't do bathtubs,

467
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: I don't do carpets, I don't do cleaning, I don't

468
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: I don't do reading, I don't do Yeah, we're all

469
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: the uh yeah, not a single woman in this movie

470
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: gets to have any fun, right except no, presumably off screen,

471
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: when Sally Field is fucking Pierce Browsn. Oh my god,

472
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: can we get what hit the cutting room floor in

473
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: terms of they did like a full penetration. I would

474
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: watch Pierce Browsing in full penetration now seventeen. Oh yeah god.

475
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: And I mean Sally Field is a fun person. There's

476
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: like a really amazing interview I saw her do on

477
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: I think it was Johnny Carson about when she was

478
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: fucking Burt Reynolds, and it's very saucy Sally. I love it. Yeah,

479
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: it's just kind of not fair that you see all

480
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: these fun male characters and then no, well it really yeah,

481
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: I guess it really is just Robin Williams who's fun

482
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: because there aren't any other fun guys in this Like

483
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: Harvey Firestein is still a little bit of a knack,

484
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: but he does have he is more fun, but it

485
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: is like, well, I'll give him that. There's like a

486
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: gay character in this movie. There are two gay characters

487
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: in these movies, both played by real life gay comedians.

488
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: Comfort it's him and it's Scott Capurroh, who was like

489
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: a local San Francisco stand up like a local. Yeah.

490
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: Scott Capurro plays as Daniel refers to him later in

491
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: the movie Aunt Jack, who's like Harvey firesteins, like, you know,

492
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: not clearly articulated, like partner in both business and love.

493
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: But there's a weird It's confusing because at the beginning,

494
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: Harvey Firestein says, like, make this guy look like a man,

495
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: and he was like, like you would know. And it's like, wait,

496
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: what does that mean because that seemed like a dig

497
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: about how rarely he has sex. But then it's like,

498
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: but their partner together there that that part of it

499
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: was unclear, but well, their their relationship ships seems mostly

500
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: just professional until that line where he says Uncle Frank

501
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: and Aunt Jack. Well, I remember my mom when I

502
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: was very young, explaining my too, like I have two

503
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: gay uncles, and she explained their relationship to me based

504
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: on Mrs Doubtfire. They're like, you know, you know Rob

505
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: Williams brother and Mrs Doubtfire. It's like that, and I

506
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: mean it must have registered. I was like, oh, okay, cool,

507
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: and that was interesting. So that was, I guess, possibly

508
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: the first gay couple I had seen on screen or

509
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: at least the most high profile example, because that was

510
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,239
Speaker 1: what my mom went to to explain a real life

511
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: gay couple. To me, that's really interesting. Yeah, I just

512
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: because it's not done super super well in the movie,

513
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: but it was understand I'm really am curious about like

514
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes conversations about how to deal with

515
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: gay issues in this movie, because it seems like there

516
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: were multiple opportunities for them to like talk about it

517
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: in a deeper way, and they like really swerved around them.

518
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering, like where that came from, because like

519
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: it seems like they probably wanted Harvey fire Stein's character

520
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: to be a drag queen, Like it seems logical that

521
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: he would be like I'm going to go to my

522
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: brother who's drag queen and does drag makeup to like

523
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: forts as opposed to like, yeah, a movie industry makeup artists.

524
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: I guess that explains the latex and stuff. But but

525
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: then later on, at the very end of the movie,

526
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: the movie kind of ends with Mrs doubtfire giving, like

527
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: on her own TV show, giving this speech in response

528
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: to a letter from a viewer about the viewers parents

529
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,239
Speaker 1: getting divorced, and she gives this speech about how like

530
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: the only thing that makes a family is love, and

531
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: families can look like a lot of different things. You know,

532
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: some families have one mom, have one mom, and some

533
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: families have one dad. And you're like, but what as

534
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: also yeah my line? And I just have to believe

535
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: that there's a version where he says that and it's

536
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: cut out. I would love to see a first draft

537
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: of this script, yeah, because I mean I have to

538
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: assume that they got notes on notes on notes in

539
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: of what what people were comfortable saying, were they and

540
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: what they weren't. But that's really interesting about Harvey Firestein's character.

541
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: That would make way more sense. I'd be interested in

542
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: how that was portrayed in the book, or if that

543
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: character even appears in the book. I mean, the book

544
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: seems like when is the book set? Was this like

545
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: a modern update of the book because it no, I

546
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: think it was released in sometime in Yeah, it came

547
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: out in for teenage and young adult audiences. Yeah weird.

548
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I guess that would that would make sense. Yeah, Well,

549
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: speaking of the movie skirting around issues that could have

550
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: been addressed, Um, there are a few brief moments where Daniel,

551
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: who is in costume as Mrs Doubtfire, experiencing life the

552
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: way a woman might experience. Yeah, but so much more

553
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: commentary could have been made, and it just could have

554
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: been better handled. Like he gets hit on by that

555
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: by a creepy bus driver who's like not even like driving,

556
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: like stops the bus and it's like, are you going

557
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,239
Speaker 1: to drive the bus? Are you gonna like trap this

558
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: woman in your bus? Like yeah, at the behest of

559
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: literally everything else going on, there's that, And then he

560
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: gets off the bus and he's wearing heels, needs to

561
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: something like, oh my back, if I find the misogynists

562
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: bastard who invented heels, I'll kill him. So there's that

563
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: kind yeah, no I'm saying, Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

564
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: And then there's a moment where he almost gets mugged

565
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: in broad daylight crossing a street. A guy like snatches

566
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: her purse, and then he kind of like beats him

567
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: off and gets him back. But those are the only

568
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: moments where there's any sort of even calls attention to

569
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: the fact that that he's that he's maybe giving up

570
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: some of his privilege in playing this character, and like

571
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: what that might teach him about what women go through.

572
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: This was like one of my big things I was

573
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: taking notes about in the latter half of the movie

574
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: is and I think that this is something that does

575
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: different in a way that works better for me. That's

576
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: that I do have to reatch Titsy. I'm sure there's

577
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: something there as well, but they're like there at no

578
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: point does Daniel's character get really into the Mrs doubt

579
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: Fire character. It's always like a facade. It's never like

580
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: where in TITSI as I remember, it's a lot of

581
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: the character art comes from really like living as this

582
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: female character and learning how to communicate as a woman,

583
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: and like all all this stuff, and that there's a

584
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: real arc there where I like even like the climactic

585
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: scene with the with the dinner when he's going back

586
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: and forth between being a man and being a woman,

587
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: Like I feel like there's just like there's so much

588
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: opportunity there to make a real comment and have your

589
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: character learn a real lesson about something like that, but

590
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: but it just doesn't really happen. It doesn't. Yeah, I

591
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: feel like the closest it comes is in the scene

592
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: where Mrs Doubt was having a heart to heart with

593
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: Miranda about the divorce, and it's really Daniel probing her,

594
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: trying to find out like, come on, is there any

595
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: hope for Daniel And surely you must have tried to

596
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: solve these problems and she's like, yeah, he didn't want

597
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: to talk about anything serious and at a certain point

598
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: he turned me into this shrew and I didn't like

599
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: who I was with him, and it's like he finally

600
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: gets it. Like that's the point when you see, like, Okay,

601
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: this character is learning something in this scene that was

602
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: upon rewatching one of my favorite scenes. I think because

603
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, yeah, you guys weren't a match. Like,

604
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: you guys weren't a match, and also like you didn't

605
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: have some of the necessary communication that you need to

606
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: have about like how you're going to raise your kids together,

607
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: and like what you value in a responsible partner and

608
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: like and just like another impressive way that the movie

609
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: let's Sally Fields character be heard and understood. Yeah, where

610
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, as a kid, you probably don't

611
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: lose much from the movie by not seeing that scene,

612
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: but watching it as an adult. Yeah, Like that's one

613
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 1: of the semp where we're like, oh, that's that's pretty

614
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: because I didn't remember that scene even happening. Of course,

615
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: you probably tune it out as a scene with two

616
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: adults or a scene where something goofy isn't happening or whatever.

617
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: I remember scene where Mrs Tolfire is vacuuming all wild

618
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 1: and wacky because that was in the trailer. Yeah, yeah,

619
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: that's a good trailer. I totally forgot about Stew's character altogether. Really, yes,

620
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: and so that was a real pleasant horny surprise, as

621
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: a real kamikazee horny moment. Yeah, I don't. I mean,

622
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: this movie is is tricky. I think that it's important

623
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: to mention exactly how huge of a movie this was.

624
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: This movie was the biggest movie of ninety three, behind

625
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 1: Jurassic Park million dollar budget four hundred fifty million dollars

626
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: at the box office. This movie was fucking massive. Yeah,

627
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: which again I I does this movie do as well

628
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: in ninety three if they make more nuanced points, I don't.

629
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. Probably not. If they didn't do anything,

630
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have tested that well with audiences. I'd be

631
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: really yeah, now that you're tucking it up, I'd be

632
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: really interested in, like, what kind of rewrites this movie

633
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: went through before it made because even in ninety three,

634
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: I feel like this movie seems like sort of like

635
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Speaker 1: a risky movie to be making. But it, I mean

636
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: it worked. Yeah, I mean it is like post TUTSI.

637
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, this is like a very well

638
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 1: known movie trope. It does seem like they were trying

639
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 1: hard to like not alienate anyone, but also to give

640
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: some kind of wink at like the gay culture that

641
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: made this movie possible. So I don't know, it's it's interesting. Well,

642
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Speaker 1: I talked to a few trans friends of mine about

643
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: this movie. Oh, I'm very interested to hear that. So

644
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: um Riley Silverman, who was on our Batman, I messaged

645
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: her and I said, I'm curious about your thoughts on

646
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: movies where a sist character dresses up as or takes

647
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: on the identity temporarily of a person of a different

648
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: gender for the sake of the story. Other movies that

649
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: come to mind are Tutsie, the Bird Cage, some like

650
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: a hot Shakespeare Love. Is this inherently problematic? Is it

651
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: okay as long as no transphobic comments or jokes are made?

652
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: Something else? Thoughts? She responded and said, it's a gray area.

653
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: For sure. Some trans people will tell you it's inherently awful.

654
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: I think that's too broad of a brush. I do

655
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: think with comedies there's a fine line because so many

656
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: of the jokes are based in the humor of presenting

657
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: a male seeming person as female. I sort of feel

658
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: less bugged by these movies as a trans woman and

659
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: more just as a woman, because so much of it

660
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: is just really heightened genderal stereotypes. I feel like the

661
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: fact that guy dressed as woman is meant to be

662
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: demeaning feels so misogynist to me. And I said, totally,

663
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Speaker 1: a lot of these movies and TV shows take the

664
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: stance of a man being and in how humiliating. Yeah,

665
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: there's like definitely some like kind of transphobic isn't it

666
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: funny for a man to wear a dress type of humor.

667
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: But then there's also like there was this whole school

668
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: of like, wouldn't it be weird if a dad played

669
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: a role in his kid's life in a real way

670
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: where you're like, he doesn't know how to cook, he

671
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to clean, Like he's not a functional adult,

672
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: and these are only roles he's willing to learn while

673
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: not identifying as a man, Like somehow it's emasculating if

674
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: he does that while he's a man, right, I mean

675
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: later on in the movie His Gross Apartment does you

676
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: could argue that, you know, what he learns being misses

677
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: doubtfire informs his life as a kind of single father

678
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: now because he cleans his place, he learns how to cook.

679
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: But it's only after he has assumed the role of

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00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: a woman that he bothered to do any of that. Yeah,

681
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: to grow up basically yeah, um. And then I said

682
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: the reverse of this, which the reverse of a male

683
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: character dressing up as a female character. The reverse of that,

684
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Speaker 1: like in Shakespeare in Love, where a woman dresses as

685
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: a man, is empowering because then she gets to do

686
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,479
Speaker 1: a thing that she wants to do because people see

687
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: her as a man and therefore she deserves respect. Yeah.

688
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: Like it's more of a radical act when women take

689
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Speaker 1: on drag in movies in order to accomplish something, because

690
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Speaker 1: it's like understood that her gender is the reason why

691
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Speaker 1: she can't do it, And in movies like this, it's

692
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: like oh no, it's yeah, or like one of the guys. Um,

693
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: And it's like in movies like this, it's like, no,

694
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: it's because a man feels entitled to a place like

695
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: like in Titsie and in this it's like no, men

696
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: dress and drag to gain access to a place they

697
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: feel entitled to that they aren't entitled. Yah. She also

698
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: brought up She's the Man soccer vehicle. Um. And then

699
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: Riley said, I think the bigger problem with this stuff

700
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 1: is less the movies themselves and more how people equate

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00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: them with the trans experience after the fact. And I said, yes,

702
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: that just shows the huge lack of understanding of what

703
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: the tra experience is. And she said yep, and it's

704
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: part of the demonization of trans people, along with transplantic

705
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: horror films like Sleepaway Camp. And then we That was

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Speaker 1: pretty much the end of lasts like, thanks for your input, goodnye.

707
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: But yeah, so that was that conversation. Left it but

708
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: still friends. UM. I read. I read a very interesting

709
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: editorial that I found from around the time this movie

710
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: came out from a drag performer named Charles Bush. He

711
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: published a opinion piece in The Washington Post when this

712
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: movie came out that's pretty generally praises the movie in

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Speaker 1: terms of presenting Drag to a family audience in a

714
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Speaker 1: way that he found to be generally respectful. But but

715
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Speaker 1: his main criticism was that it didn't do enough like

716
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: it appears respectful just because there's not much being said

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Speaker 1: where the passage that I highlighted was although there are

718
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: glimpses of a fully fleshed out characterization in Robin Williams

719
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: portrayal of a sixth year old Scottish nanny, the humor

720
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: of the film of a rises above the mechanics of

721
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: how he's going to get in and out of Drag,

722
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: which I think, yeah, like that's as far as it's examined,

723
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: is like, isn't the costume funny? And that's the scene

724
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 1: wild that he has to put this on and take

725
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: which is which you know works, And I don't even

726
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: think that that is like a necessarily like horrifying bad

727
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: thing to see. It's a family comedy in nine. But

728
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, there's a lot of that's of

729
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: the movie is him getting in and out of the costume. Yeah,

730
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Speaker 1: I think we could cut a half hour out of this,

731
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: and we should because it's two hours. Yeah. I also

732
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: spoke with another trans woman friend named Olivia asked for

733
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: the same question, just basically your take on this thing

734
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: that happens in movies and television, and she said an

735
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: interesting thought offhand, I would say that as long as

736
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: there's no real transphobia in punch lines or the narrative,

737
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: then it should be fine. I know that before I

738
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: came out or even really knew I was trans, I

739
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: was drawn to narratives about gender swapping and that sort

740
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: of thing. So I think even if there are some

741
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: problematic elements that are inherent to the times they were

742
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: made in overall their effects might be positive. So for

743
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: her it was like, oh, interesting that I can see

744
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 1: a story about this, even if it's not really identical

745
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: to the trans experience or anything like that, it's still

746
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: there's a possibility for something positive to be gleaned from,

747
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: just like even watching gender be played with in any way, yeah,

748
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 1: with without the punishments being so like, it's not being demonized,

749
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: it's just being utilized in a kind of I will say,

750
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: there's like a really awful moment when Daniel's two older

751
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: kids find out about them stout by her ruse and

752
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: his son is like, it's a he shey, we gotta

753
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: call the police, and that part of it You're like, okay, also,

754
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: is a child being raised in San Francisco really saying that, Yeah,

755
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: I certainly hope not. I don't know, yeah, I mean

756
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: the San Francisco element is like the biggest sort of

757
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: like question mark on that thing, Like I don't understand. Well,

758
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: I think it was Robin Williams is from the Bear

759
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: and he lived there, and I think whenever he had

760
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: the opportunity he would shoot things there so he could

761
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 1: be with his family and stuff. And Zelda, his daughter,

762
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: is one of the extras in the party scene. She's

763
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: a little girl jumping on a couch. Oh yeah, yeah,

764
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: that scene was very uncomfortable. But apart from that and

765
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: that moment that we mentioned before where Sally Field hangs

766
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: up the phone and be like, oh, you used to

767
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: be a man. Yikes, those are the only two sort

768
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: of blatantly transphobic moments that I there's like definitely sort

769
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 1: of a I don't know how if I mean even

770
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: in a position to call it subtle or not, but

771
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: there's definitely something problematic about like storylines that hinge on

772
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: someone's true gender identity or sex being hidden, as like

773
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: this giant betrayal. That's like this trope in stories about

774
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: trans people were like hiding the fact that their trans

775
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: is somehow a betrayal of the people around them more like,

776
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: and that's a big part of this movie. But it

777
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: is also it's like, well, notes that you pretended to

778
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: be a different person than you're, right, but does play

779
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: into like, well, of course everyone understands that because of

780
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: course we all think that's bad. You know, you can

781
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: it can play into that event and and just kind

782
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: of on a basic level of you know, like a

783
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: man donning woman's identity and then learns the lesson whatever,

784
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: the lesson maybe whether it's this movie took you whatever,

785
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: and then at the end of the day, Okay, he's

786
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: back in a hetero normative space, like he returns to

787
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: what everyone finds to be normal and acceptable. Well, he

788
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: does continue to be missed doubtfire forever Yeah on TV,

789
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 1: which just taking away a role that a woman could

790
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: have had an entertainment. Yeah, I don't know. Also, I

791
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 1: U this movie was supposed to be filmed in Chicago,

792
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: but e R said no. When e Er had enough

793
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: hour to just say you can't film in this whole city,

794
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: e Er said no e ER was filmed here. They

795
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: said e R had a lease with the city during

796
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: that time period. They just leased the whole city. What

797
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: is the budget for e Er? They could just least Chicago. Yeah,

798
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: that doesn't supposed Chicago, but then they relocated to San

799
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: Francisco because we are only real quick about your point

800
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: a few moments ago. Um, So, the song Dude Looks

801
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: Like a Lady by Aerosmith was featured prominently in the

802
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: featured prominently and it had like a resurgence because of

803
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: this movie because it was I think it first released

804
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: in the late eighties and then yeah, oh, I assumed

805
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: that it came out around the same time. Interesting, No,

806
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: I think it was eight seven, but don't quote me

807
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: on that. That might be wrong. But so, yeah, this

808
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: song was like hugely popular again because of this movie.

809
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: And I read a Vox article about Caitlyn Jenner's response

810
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: to this song and basically being like, I love this

811
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: song and everyone's like, well, how about how it's very

812
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: offensive to trans people because it's still saying dude. Yeah. Yeah.

813
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: I'll just read a quick paragraph from the article. It says,

814
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: in general, the lyrics blur the line between being a

815
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: trans woman, a cross dressing man, or a man who

816
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: simply has feminine traits. The song also plays on the

817
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: idea that trans women intentionally deceive men or are in

818
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: disguise that they are as for Lola as well by

819
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: The Kinks I'm not super familiar with that song, same

820
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: song set up um and that they are unattractive, repulsive,

821
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: as evidenced in one of the video's first scenes where

822
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: Steven Tyler recoils at this side of a construction worker

823
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,959
Speaker 1: whose gender identity is purposefully unclear, and at one point

824
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: mixes pronouns going from oh, she like it in one

825
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: line too, oh he was a lady in the next. Also,

826
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 1: that plays on a roller coaster at Disney World. Why

827
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: does Arrowsmith have their own roller coaster? I'm not that

828
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: upset about it, am I mom practically creams every time

829
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: we go to Disney roll then she gets to go

830
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: on the Aerosmith roller coaster. Wait what episode did we

831
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: first talk about that? In the How My Mom? Okay,

832
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: so how my Mom tried to be tried and failed

833
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: to be an Aerosmith groupie and then became became a

834
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: groupie for this other band called the Beaver Brown band

835
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: was just like supposed to be. My mom always she

836
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: was like Beaver Brown was going to be as big

837
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: as Aerosmith, and nothing worked out for them. They couldn't

838
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: catch a break check out because the Beaver Brown band.

839
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Speaker 1: But they are terrible. They aren't really bad. My mom

840
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: just followed him around for a while on a while, child,

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00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: Can we talk about the scene between Miranda and Stu

842
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: when he first comes to her office, approaching her basically like,

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00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: O help me design this AIRB and B. Nope, that's

844
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Speaker 1: not what just to be and be a bend breakfast. Yeah,

845
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: and um, here's how this scene plays out, he says.

846
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: And the pretense of the scene is that they're just

847
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: having a business meeting and she's showing him told her

848
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 1: like this guy asked for you specifically. So she starts

849
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: describing what the look of this um airbnb, which is

850
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: what I'm going to call now um in San Francisco.

851
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: She could be developing, she's just describing it. And he says,

852
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: you've never looked better or you look better than ever,

853
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: and she ignores him and keeps talking business stuff, and

854
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 1: he says, I've been following your career. Again. She barrels

855
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: through and just keeps talking about the designs. He says,

856
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: I'd love to get reacquainted again. She ignores him, keeps

857
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: just talking business. Uh. And then he says can we

858
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 1: talk over dinner? And that's what gets her to be like, yes,

859
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: this is so nice, which I think sends a dangerous

860
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: message because to push past the no yeah she's ignoring

861
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: her does not mean no. And also, yeah, like saying

862
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: nothing doesn't like is a yes, right, because like this

863
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: could be considered sexual harassment in the workplace for sure.

864
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: She's like, he's like, you look good, let's go to

865
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: this is this is a test where I suggest doing

866
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: one of my favorite movie tests, which is replaced the

867
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: conventionally attractive mail with Steve Bushemy in this scene. How

868
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: does it hold up? And this scene would read us

869
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: very creepy. Yeah, so love it for her character to

870
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: not respond in the way you think she might because

871
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: she's technically being harassed. For her to be like, oh, yes,

872
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: this is so nice. Let's start dating, because I mean

873
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: they have they have a history. And he was like

874
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: they like data in college. Yeah, And then also like,

875
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard. What I'm saying is it's hard

876
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: because and I'm hard and they're harty. For ste I

877
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: will say that is like, there are two very refreshing

878
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: things about the male characters in this movie, which is

879
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: that like Robin Williams's character does not see his children

880
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: as a burden. He's like all he wants to do

881
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: is spend time with them, and that's like not the

882
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: most common thing. But then also, yeah, like Pierce Browsman

883
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: is like cool single mom with three kids. He's in,

884
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: He's in. There's a scene at the pool when like

885
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: when Mrs doubtfire overhears him having a conversation with the

886
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: bartender that I kind of thought was gonna like the

887
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: bartender being like, you don't like kids, why are you

888
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: dating this woman? And you kind of think he's going

889
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: to reveal like I actually deal money from her, or

890
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: just like I'm gonna love her and leave her. And

891
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: he's like, she's changed my mind because she's that amazing

892
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: of a woman and I love these kids, and like

893
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: and you're like, this is kind of I thought the

894
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: same exact thing. I thought you were gonna. There's gonna

895
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: be like a reveal that he because I didn't remember

896
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: exactly what happened in that story beat and I was

897
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: just like, oh, he's going to be revealed to be

898
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 1: this like devious, sneaky, evil dude, but like, no, he's

899
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: just a pretty nice guys. Well, a movie that this

900
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: reminded me of that came out, I just like it

901
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: came out a year later. The Santa Claus comes out

902
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: a year after Mrs tim Allen Yes with with Tim

903
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 1: Allen who Santa dies and then Tim Allen is Santa

904
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 1: because he witnessed Santa's death or something maybe weirdly responsible

905
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 1: for it. Whoever finds Santa's body is the new Santa Santa.

906
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: So that's the movie, but it is there's a lot

907
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: of elements to the Santa clause that is very similar

908
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: to Mrs staff Fire, and that it's a recently divorced couple.

909
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: The dad is taking on this new identity, and there's

910
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: a little bit of a body horror element to it,

911
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: like what, yeah, they're both basically wearing fat suits they

912
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: I mean, they're both for sure why And there is

913
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 1: a Stu character in the Santa clause, but it's it's

914
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: done way less tastefully. I think where Judge Reinold plays

915
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: this because I remember having crush on him when I

916
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: was little and my mom being like why would you

917
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: like meal? Also name is where Neil is just as

918
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: lovely new partner for for this mother, but the narrative

919
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: is constantly like basically calling him whatever you would call

920
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: a kuk in, like this guy is not masculine. This

921
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: guy's a dweeen, he's their relationship is super de sexualized,

922
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: whereas this is like, no, it's super sexualized, like you

923
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: can't just yeah. There are some definite inversions of the

924
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: tropes here, because like usually these movies have something to

925
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: do with like the dad working too hard and not

926
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: understanding what it is to be a father enough. People

927
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: like Cramer remembersus Cramer liar, Liar. All of those movies

928
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: are about like a dad who has to learn how

929
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: to like be a dad, and this is about the opposite.

930
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: It's like he has the warmth, he has the fun,

931
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: he has the interest in his children. What he needs

932
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: to learn how to do is like be responsible, and

933
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 1: that's not usually how that goes. That is, I didn't

934
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: think of it that way. In some ways, it's like

935
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: a way of elevating these like traditionally female characteristics of

936
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: like nurturing and caring and rules and boundaries and stuff

937
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: like that, the emotional labor that women do in these

938
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: stuff and and uh Sally Fields character can do. I

939
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: mean she can't like literally do everything, but she knows

940
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: how to do everything. It's like she could delegate to

941
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: she was the breadwinner and she knew how to care

942
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: for the kids. Like so, I mean she she's given

943
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: all the skills and is not the villain of the

944
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: movie ostensibly, but I do think that there's there is

945
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 1: a subtext for kids that she's the mean one. Yeah,

946
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: if there's any mean one in this movie, yeh. Can

947
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: we go back to the pool seem really quick? Because

948
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: I just want to mention that there's a line where

949
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: they're all like trying to get Mrs doult Fire to

950
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: like put on a bathing suit to get in the pool,

951
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: and she's just like, no, it would be like reenacting

952
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: The Titanic, and I just wanted to mention the Titanic

953
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: shout out. So okay. So so it was a tough

954
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: I will say, just to start rapping, is that I

955
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: was expecting to have a lot more issues with this

956
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: movie than ultimately it because I hadn't seen it in

957
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: so long that when you hear the premise and then

958
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: you hear the year it's made, You're like, oh, this

959
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: is probably a fucking nightmare. Yeah it's not. There's a

960
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: lot of missed opportunities. Yeah, there is some stuff that

961
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: is poorly handled, but it's But unlike other sort of

962
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: cross dressing movies that came out around this time, this

963
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: movie doesn't seem like it's setting out to make a

964
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: joke of the gender play as much as it is like,

965
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: let's give Robin Williams a vehicle. It just seems like

966
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: it's really catered to like what he's good at and

967
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,439
Speaker 1: ways he can be funny, and it's not. It doesn't

968
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: seem like they're setting out to say anything about gender necessarily, right,

969
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: which is where like the missed opportunity comes in. But

970
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: it's also like they're not. Yeah, like there's five million

971
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: hours of Robin Williams improvised footage that ye like, I shudder, like,

972
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: I just it makes me exhausted just thinking of how

973
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: much a lot of freestyle goofing a lot of it. Two,

974
00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: which is problematic is he's like appropriating other cultures. There's

975
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: a couple of racist things in here. Also, very very white,

976
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: very white movie. No people with speaking lines, speaking lines,

977
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: no people with people of color, with people we see.

978
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,479
Speaker 1: We see a number of women over forty, but they're

979
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 1: all mean. Also, this is Doubtfire is technically a sixty

980
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: year old woman, but she is not real and she's

981
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: played by a forty year old man. Yeah right, which

982
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: makes for an interesting discussion about the Bechtel test. So

983
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: for me, my friend Lisa, when she watches this movie

984
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: genuinely forgets that they're the same person. Okay, yeah, she

985
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: just like has such a hard time keeping track of

986
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: that and she just thinks that people when she watches that.

987
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: It also makes me very yeah, like why is this

988
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: dinner so stressful? Well, for me, when I was trying

989
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: to figure out if it passed the Backtel test or not,

990
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: I was not counting Mrs Doubtfire's character as a woman,

991
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: because even though that character is presenting as a woman,

992
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: it's not someone who identifies actually as a woman. So

993
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: to me, Mrs Doubtfire is still yeah, it's still it's

994
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 1: still a scene that a man can watch and identify

995
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 1: with that character in some way. Yeah. I think that

996
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: this would this would be harder to apply to a

997
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: movie like to see where the male character does get

998
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 1: so deep into the female persona, but this one is, yeah,

999
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: it's all pretty certain, right, Yes, So because of that,

1000
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 1: I would say I think the movie still does passes. Yes,

1001
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: there's a scene where the daughters are talking about what

1002
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 1: they did in school that day. I painted a picture

1003
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: of a bunny and the teacher liked it. Yeah, ding, Yeah.

1004
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: And there's also scenes where Nadia is like, why do

1005
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: we need a housekeeper? Yeah, not a little bit, we

1006
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: need a housekeeper anyway. Miranda says, this is all I

1007
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: need right now, because she's such they're literally shrewing at

1008
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: each other. But then Lydia said, um, why can't Dad

1009
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: do it? So then she brings up a dead and

1010
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: then it stops passing. But yeah, there's You would think

1011
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: there would be more, considering there are so many female

1012
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 1: characters in the movie, between the two daughters and Miranda

1013
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: and all the many other women who you see, maybe

1014
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 1: only peripherally, But yeah, there's only those kind of handful

1015
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: of scenes where there's another one where Miranda says, like,

1016
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: where were you guys, And they're like, we were upstairs

1017
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: doing our homework. Missus doubtfire, so we had to But

1018
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: it's just these very quick exchanges. You think there'd be

1019
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: more for a movie that you know, I have so

1020
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: many women in it, but nope, a lot of them

1021
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: are very isolated from each other. Yes, yeah that's true. Um,

1022
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: does anyone have any final thoughts before we write the movie?

1023
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: I think we we We talked about this a little bit,

1024
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, the the soundtrack of this movie. There the

1025
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: four main tracks that are not instrumental are Dude, looks

1026
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: like a lady, walk like a man, Luck be a lady.

1027
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: Papa's got a brand new bag. So whoever is choosing

1028
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: for this music for this movie, grow up? All right,

1029
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: So let's write the movie on our nipple scale when

1030
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: we eight based on its portrayal of women, specifically zero

1031
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: to five nipples. Oh, this is another tricky one, I get.

1032
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: Oh god, I don't even know. Maybe a two and

1033
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: a half doesn't deserve more exactly what I was going

1034
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, all right, well we're still I just

1035
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: wanted to give Pierce bros And three nipples. Yeah. Yeah,

1036
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: to me, it's like in the middle two and a half.

1037
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: Because what we already sort of mentioned the missed opportunities

1038
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: to comment on more meaningful things, you know, gender roles

1039
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: and um, I mean we haven't talked about this, but like,

1040
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: child custody is one of men's rights activists biggest fucking

1041
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: forgrom like issues, and this movie does kind of come

1042
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: down on their side a bit that doesn't challenge Yeah. Yeah,

1043
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: it's like men's rights activists are always talking about how

1044
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: women are favored in custody battles and that's a proof

1045
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: that women don't have to advantages in society, and it's like,

1046
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: give me a fucking me a fucking tire iron. So

1047
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: in that way, like you know, they didn't know that

1048
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: when they made this movie. But also that is a

1049
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: little bit of a thing that's get splayed into here.

1050
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: That's true, and it is interesting that we see so

1051
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: much custody battle stuff as well. I mean they lay

1052
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: a lot of pipe in those scenes, so it kind

1053
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: of makes sense where that's like, that's when he explains

1054
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: like I need to see my kids every day. I've

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Speaker 1: never not seen them every day, and you're like, that's

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Speaker 1: why he does the misses doubtfa. I think that's the

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00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: first time we kind of hear that even so, yeah, um,

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00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: missed our opportunities and things could have been handled better

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Speaker 1: or differently. But yeah, I'd say like it's probably I mean,

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen the movie White Chicks, but it probably

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00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: does a better job when handling these issues. That's a

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Speaker 1: hot ta. I don't know for sure. I haven't seen

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Speaker 1: that White Chicks, but I'm sure this is better. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, blown away. Okay heard it here first.

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Speaker 1: White Chicks probably isn't a good movie. Icons So yeah,

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Speaker 1: two and a half and Mrs Seller gets two of

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Speaker 1: my nipples because I think she's underappreciated. She's just doing

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Speaker 1: her job. She shows up on time. One thing I

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Speaker 1: think is really interesting about the Mrs Seller character is

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Speaker 1: like she's so hostile at Daniel, but when she meets

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Speaker 1: Mrs Doubtfire, You're like, oh, she's relaxed. She's like it

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01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: feels this immediate kinship and you don't really it's not

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01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: doesn't get explored that much, but you're kind of like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I immediately see a different side of this character now

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Speaker 1: that she's around a woman. It is nice to see that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll and I'm sure like in context of her job,

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Speaker 1: she has to deal with shitty deadbeat your time, Like

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01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: I understand the hostel She's like, let me take your

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Speaker 1: face cream and also rub it on my face. Yeah? What,

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Speaker 1: what a weird movie. Oh and then my other half nipple. Um,

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Speaker 1: I will give to Harvey Fierstein. He earned it, man,

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01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: he really did. Gay, I'll give it two and a

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01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 1: half as well. I'll succumb to the don't we don't

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01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: don't let us peer pressure you. No, I I I'm

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01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: with it. I'm giving two and a half nipples to

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Speaker 1: Pierce Brosnan to do with what he will. But I

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Speaker 1: agree with what you're saying. I think that most of this.

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Speaker 1: I think that this movie would have worked a lot

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01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: better for me if we saw even one scene of

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01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: Miranda connecting with her kids or just like seeing that

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01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: just because she is a single mom who works does

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01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: not just automatically mean that she's cold and can't connect

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01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: with her kids. So if we saw that, I think

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01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: that it would have been higher rating. But it's just

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01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,919
Speaker 1: mostly missed opportunities. Um, and kind of a little bit

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Speaker 1: of lazy writing when it comes to writing female characters. Yes,

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Speaker 1: browsn in, however does get all my nipples? Well? That

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01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: sends an interesting message, Jamie. Um, do you like to

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Speaker 1: be problematic? Uh? Yeah, you know what, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: round it up to three nipples, I think, Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was just giving it some slack for when it

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01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: came out. And also like, how much of this movie

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01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: is just about Robin Williams and not about the premise

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Speaker 1: of the movie. Really just tears through this movie kind

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Speaker 1: of regardless of what was in the script, probably, and

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01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,439
Speaker 1: he's like, give me a movie where I can do voices. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: pretty much. And it was like, you know, at the time,

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Speaker 1: it was a perfect vehicle for him, So yeah, I'll

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Speaker 1: give it three nipples. And again, yeah, sexualizing Pierce Brosnan

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Speaker 1: and that being the only like sex in the movie.

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Speaker 1: I liked reparations. Yeah, the female gaze was catered to

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Speaker 1: in this movie. Yeah, yeah, oh god, can you imagine, like, yeah,

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01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: just getting to be around Pierce Brosnuck. There are a

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Speaker 1: few moments in the movie where Daniel, usually dressed as

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Speaker 1: Mrs Doultfire, will like kind of leer at a woman

1116
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: or like trying to buy her a drink, which is

1117
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: weird because it's like, you just experienced a guy hitting

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Speaker 1: on you and how uncomfortable that made you. Why would

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01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: you then turn around and do that and do something

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Speaker 1: to a woman. I think that that Yeah, harkens back

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01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: to again of Mrs Doubtfire just being strictly treated as

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01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: a costume by the narrative as well. Yeah, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: he could have learned a little bit of a lesson,

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Speaker 1: but it turns out maiden't. It's also funny that in

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Speaker 1: those scenes it's not like, oh, a woman bought her

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Speaker 1: a drink, so she's creeped out, and not like, oh,

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01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: a woman bought her a drink and so she's so

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Speaker 1: relieved that it's not a terrifying man. Yeah, this is uh,

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Speaker 1: this is a lesser horror. Usually. Yeah, that didn't try.

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Speaker 1: If if an older woman was like, here, let me

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Speaker 1: buy you a drink, I'd be like yeah, thanks, yeah, cool, okay,

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Speaker 1: yeah I would accept that so quick, like oh hell

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Speaker 1: yeah wait what? Thank you? All right? Anyway, Emily, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for being here, Thanks for having me,

1135
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: for bringing us this movie. Yeah, where can people find

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Speaker 1: you online? Do you have anything you'd like to plug?

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Speaker 1: I'm at Mr Emily Heller on everything. Also, I'm recording

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Speaker 1: my second album on January a Curious Comedy Theater in Portland,

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Speaker 1: So if you live in Portland, please come to that. Also,

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Speaker 1: after I watched this movie, my boyfriend made a lot

1141
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: of really funny Mrs down Fire memes that I retweeted,

1142
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Speaker 1: so you please go find them. Great. You can follow

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Speaker 1: It's one capital all right, all right, Well thanks for

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Speaker 1: this thing and bye by