WEBVTT - The Half-Alien Human Hybrid Superspy Guy: Jeffrey Alan Lash

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth. How you doing, Zaren?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm great? Really, Oh I've I've never felt better.

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<v Speaker 2>Really. That's smile on your face just sells it.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels so good.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, I got a question for you. Yeah, do

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<v Speaker 2>you know what's ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 1>I do? I do? Do you like? Uh? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>like wild and unexpected taste sensations?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So I want you to think about, like, what's

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<v Speaker 1>your like?

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<v Speaker 2>Feels like a set up?

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<v Speaker 1>What would be like the best toothpaste ever?

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, that'sh chocolate Mermaid flavor?

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<v Speaker 1>Perfect. Okay. So I'm not going to tell you where

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<v Speaker 1>I got this. I cannot reveal who told me about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh God, this is gonna be bad, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 1>The calls coming from inside the house. Anyway, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to read you the blurb and then you got to

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<v Speaker 1>guess the parts that are taken out. Okay, Boca, that's

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<v Speaker 1>like a tooth like a mouth company.

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<v Speaker 2>They do like toothpaste and Spanish.

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<v Speaker 1>And like yeah but with a K b Oka and

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<v Speaker 1>they do like mouthwash and that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Boca has teamed up with to create a one of

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<v Speaker 1>a kind flavor sensation. Just like Boca is all about

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<v Speaker 1>celebrating pure ingredients and unforgettable flavors for that and taste

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<v Speaker 1>is irresistible, a flavor that excites the palette and awakens

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<v Speaker 1>the senses. Now you can carry that craving with you

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<v Speaker 1>from morning tonight while also enjoying healthier teeth. A match

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<v Speaker 1>made in flavor heaven. And now something truly worth smiling.

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<v Speaker 2>About, paprika, butter and bacon.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, think about what that would I mean, legitimate lisair

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<v Speaker 1>and think about like what would you be talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>I do not know?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So who did they team up with? Grillo's pickle?

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<v Speaker 1>And so, just like Boca, Gorillas is all about celebrating

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<v Speaker 1>puer ingredients. And so they were saying for pickle lovers

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<v Speaker 1>that briny, sweet and tangy taste is irresistible.

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<v Speaker 2>As a toothpaste, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's cucumber. Dill is the flavor of the toothpaste.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually you brush your teeth to get the dill pickle

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<v Speaker 1>flavor out of your mouth. Uh huh, there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's it. That's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Picklemongers use vanilla to wash their hands to get the

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<v Speaker 2>smell off their hands. He said, like, what if you

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<v Speaker 2>put it in your mouth and then just like breathe on.

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<v Speaker 1>It walked around all day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was a bit. That's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>It's made especially for close talkers.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm giving you that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>You got a second. I got one for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I got all the time in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, do you remember how I used to be a journalist.

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<v Speaker 1>I do remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's not the ridiculous part, but.

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<v Speaker 1>That it was kind of ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>I was telling somebody about the state of the industry

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<v Speaker 2>the other day. Use flash, it's bad.

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<v Speaker 1>It's terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, we got to talking and he reminded me

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<v Speaker 2>about a story I did a while back. I was like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right. That's one of my favorite stories I recovered, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I was like, ah, I should tell Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 2>that story. It's about this guy who died in La right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well I lived down there, right and his dad did

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<v Speaker 2>you do it?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I did not do that one. His death unleashed this

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<v Speaker 2>super strange mystery that gripped LA for a while. The

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<v Speaker 2>thing was, Elizabeth. When this dude died, his body was

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<v Speaker 2>left in an suv oh yeah, and the reason why

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<v Speaker 2>his dead body was left in the suv was for

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<v Speaker 2>the CIA or some other super spy organization to come

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<v Speaker 2>and retrieve his dead body. Oh yeah. The problem was

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<v Speaker 2>they never showed up, so his body stayed there for weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>right up until the LAPD discovered him. And that's when

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<v Speaker 2>things got super weird. Okay, you see, Elizabeth, Allegedly this

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<v Speaker 2>dead guy was a shape shifting half alien, half human

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<v Speaker 2>hybrid who was secretly a super spy guy for the

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<v Speaker 2>US government. Yeah. Like I said, this story is all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of while this is ridiculous crime A podcast about.

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<v Speaker 4>Absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons, it's always ninety

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<v Speaker 4>nine percent murder free, a one hundred percent ridiculous ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Elizabeth, oh zaren? Do you like stories about aliens,

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<v Speaker 2>UFOs and UAPs which is what they call them now

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<v Speaker 2>and all that kinds of freaky show?

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<v Speaker 1>Or why not? You do I like anything weird? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>When I was doing my research on this one, I

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<v Speaker 2>was surprised to learn that your favorite band, the Decembrists,

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<v Speaker 2>have never recorded a song about aliens.

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<v Speaker 1>That is kind of well, if aliens drowned, they would.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'd assumed they'd have a song about it, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, a charming summertime encounter with an alien

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<v Speaker 2>spacecraft while standing outside of philatalist convention and while conversing

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<v Speaker 2>with a color blind butterfly collector.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, yeah, are they listening?

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<v Speaker 2>The lyrics are there?

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<v Speaker 5>Bro.

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<v Speaker 2>My point is, I think they could make a hell

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<v Speaker 2>of a song out of this story in particular, So

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<v Speaker 2>pay attention. Anyway, enough hype, let's let the good times

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<v Speaker 2>roll was bit. This story begins with a woman named

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<v Speaker 2>Catherine and Lebron Goren who comes home and finds her

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<v Speaker 2>fiance's dead body in the suv right where she left it. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>just so you know, she didn't kill it, Okay, In

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<v Speaker 2>this story, the guy died of natural causes.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like behind the wheel of an suv.

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<v Speaker 2>No, she put him there, oh boy? Yeah? So anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>he was not supposed to be in the suv when

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<v Speaker 2>she got back, because it had been like two weeks

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<v Speaker 2>since Catherine left her fiance's body in the suv and

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<v Speaker 2>it's summertime in La. She left him covered in bags

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<v Speaker 2>of dry ice, but those had melted long ago in

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<v Speaker 2>the summertime sun, so now she comes back to this

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<v Speaker 2>mummified body in the suv, wrapped up in blankets.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, I don't mean to be gross, but

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<v Speaker 1>mumified are like bloated out.

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<v Speaker 2>I think at this point we're getting into the mummification period.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the gas is pretty much leaked out, but

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's smell crazy in there, right. So his fiance,

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<v Speaker 2>Catherine lebron Goren, she gets over her shock at seeing

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<v Speaker 2>him still there because you see, Elizabeth this she expected,

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<v Speaker 2>as he said, some super secret government agency to come

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<v Speaker 2>and collect his body. So you know, as far as

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<v Speaker 2>she knows, he's half alien, half human hybrid superspy guy.

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<v Speaker 2>So she's like, now, come on, come get your guy.

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<v Speaker 2>So she's like, when she sees they didn't do that,

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<v Speaker 2>she phones her lawyer, right, so maybe he'll know what

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<v Speaker 2>to do with this dead super spy guy. So he

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<v Speaker 2>listens to his client's story and he's like, I should

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<v Speaker 2>probably charge her more. And then he's like, okay, look,

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<v Speaker 2>look I'll handle this. So he hangs up with her.

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<v Speaker 2>He calls the LAPD and he tells them, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I got a dead body you can find. I can

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<v Speaker 2>tell you right where to find it. Yeah, what for real, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you know where this dead body is? Sir? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, look, look, it's my client's fiance and she

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<v Speaker 2>says she left his body in the suv. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>some super secret spy agency. He could come and claim

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<v Speaker 2>his body, just as he had instructed her to do.

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<v Speaker 2>So really, it's on him. The ALAPD is like, is

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<v Speaker 2>the suv parked on a city street? The lawyer has

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<v Speaker 2>to be admit, yeah about that? What if it is?

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<v Speaker 2>So the LAPD sent some cops out to find this

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<v Speaker 2>dead body in the suv park on a city street. No,

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<v Speaker 2>turns out it's parked, not like in downtown La or

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<v Speaker 2>it can skid row or someplace where people like leave

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<v Speaker 2>things to be forgotten. No, the suv is parked in

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<v Speaker 2>Pacific Palisades. Oh, which, if you don't know, it's this

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<v Speaker 2>rich little neighborhood. I'm on a bluff above the Pacific

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<v Speaker 2>Ocean between Santa Monica and Malibu.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like money, money, money, peach boys saying of

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<v Speaker 1>it exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, this story erupts as soon as LAPD got

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<v Speaker 2>to get the body. The next day, the newspaper headlines

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<v Speaker 2>are announcing in bold typeset, twelve hundred guns, two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and thirty thousand dollars in cash. Dead body found in

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<v Speaker 2>suv left to rot for weeks parked on the street

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<v Speaker 2>in wealthy La neighborhood. People were like, what is going

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<v Speaker 2>on with this story? So it turns out the dead

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<v Speaker 2>body just the beginning of this mystery the LAPD. They

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<v Speaker 2>are shocked when they find that. They track the dead

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<v Speaker 2>body back to a condo. The alleged half alien human

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<v Speaker 2>hybrid super spy guy was keeping the aforementioned arsenal of

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<v Speaker 2>twelve hundred guns inside, yes, of a booby trapped condo.

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<v Speaker 2>So when the police go in, there's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>crossbow bolt samed at the door, you know, IEDs in

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<v Speaker 2>the bathroom. Right, So they're like, oh no, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>so the the twelve hundred guns. By the way, that's

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<v Speaker 2>worth approximately five million dollars, right, this is like so serious, cat.

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<v Speaker 1>That takes up a lot of LOTO.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, yeah, a longer room for twelve hundred guns.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, soon enough rumors start to swirl together with fact,

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<v Speaker 2>and the news story started reporting on all the guns

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<v Speaker 2>this guy has, and then they start talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>alien talk. Then that creeps into the news and the

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<v Speaker 2>black Ops agency talk, and that all comes into the

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<v Speaker 2>second wave of stories. Right now, the lawyer for Catherine

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<v Speaker 2>lebron Gorn, he helped all this along because he's the

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<v Speaker 2>guy who called the LAPD, right, So he tells reporters

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<v Speaker 2>when they come calling on him, He's like, look, this

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<v Speaker 2>guy could have been working for anyone. Oh yes, So

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<v Speaker 2>that proporter's like, what what do you mean? Right, So

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<v Speaker 2>he also the reporter they find out from the lawyer.

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<v Speaker 2>He added that his client was told by the mysterious

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<v Speaker 2>dead man that he had multiple storage units all around

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<v Speaker 2>the LA area, right, and inside of those were probably

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<v Speaker 2>more guns. But not just more guns, but also bulletproof

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<v Speaker 2>super spy guy SUVs and an amphibious assault vehicle for

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<v Speaker 2>his black ops missions. He's got like James Bond like

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<v Speaker 2>garages around all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So at this point the half alien human hybrid super

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<v Speaker 2>spy guys talks starts really cooking, right because reporters find

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<v Speaker 2>the mother of a missing woman who's involved in this story.

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<v Speaker 2>The missing woman her name is don Marie vad Bunker

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<v Speaker 2>will get into her in a little bit. She's the

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<v Speaker 2>assistant of Catherine de Broun. Goren. Okay, the fiance, the

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<v Speaker 2>mysterious dead guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so Catherine's rich, right, She's this daughter of a

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<v Speaker 2>guy who built a real estate empire and fortune in

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<v Speaker 2>La back in the day, and she now just coasts

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<v Speaker 2>on that largesse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's how she can have an assistant and a

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<v Speaker 2>half alien human hybrid. You know, she can afford it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just that's the hottest successor.

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<v Speaker 2>You kidding me? So the assistant she goes missing, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and her mother grows worried. So she inserts herself into

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<v Speaker 2>this narrative by contact or the press contacts her. She

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<v Speaker 2>contacts the press. I do not know, but she does interviews,

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<v Speaker 2>and she claims that her daughter told her. She's terrified

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<v Speaker 2>of what's going on because you know, her boss's boyfriend

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<v Speaker 2>is an alien, so she's scary. Yeah right, so you

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<v Speaker 2>know it's specifically Elizabeth. He is a reptilian shape shifter.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really hard to hear.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, especially for a mother and her boss. Catherine

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<v Speaker 2>was also an alien according to Don Marie.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really terrifying totally.

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<v Speaker 2>She's from some distant watery planet. Yeah. But not only that,

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<v Speaker 2>but the assistant, Dawn Marie told her mom that she

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<v Speaker 2>saw the mystery dead guy shape shift into his reptilian form.

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<v Speaker 2>She said she saw she saw it with her own

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<v Speaker 2>two eyes, Elizabeth. Wow, yeah, did you see that there

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<v Speaker 2>were congressional hearings on Capitol Hill this past week about

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<v Speaker 2>UAPSE aka UFOs. I saw headlines but okay, well the

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<v Speaker 2>news flash the leading experts say aliens are real, and

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<v Speaker 2>that we've recovered spaceships and so have other countries around

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<v Speaker 2>the world, and there are possibly biologics, which means recovered bodies. Wait, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>your thoughts.

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<v Speaker 1>This should be like headlines. The headlines are crowded.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a little bit right now. Wow yeah, so all

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<v Speaker 2>this UFO stuff gets admitted, right, and so you'd think

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<v Speaker 2>this normal alien talk would be like, oh, big news,

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<v Speaker 2>as you said, right, Yeah, back then it was big

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<v Speaker 2>news because this was like speculation. So people are going

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<v Speaker 2>now that we have facts, we're like, God's boring.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of judge everything by do I get a

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<v Speaker 1>BBC breaking news ort and I didn't get an alien?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know why. Apparently they're waiting for like

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<v Speaker 2>an actual body. They're like, show them, give me the

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<v Speaker 2>body where I can put my finger in it. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know about reptilians, Like, I'm just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>breeze past that you know about David I and the

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<v Speaker 2>say that.

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<v Speaker 1>Cat Yeah yeah yeah. And it's also like it's totally

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<v Speaker 1>anti Semitic, oh yeah, and racist in a lot of senses. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's it feels to me like a very nineties

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theory, very Adbusters. Oh yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So David IKI, for those who don't know, is a

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<v Speaker 2>brit and he published books, and one of his books

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<v Speaker 2>is about vampiric blood drinking aliens who are humanoid reptilian

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<v Speaker 2>looking creatures and they can obviously shape shift, because who

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<v Speaker 2>wants to look like a reptile? So these lizard people,

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<v Speaker 2>as they get called, Yeah, he says that Queen Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 2>was one of them. Also most of the British royal

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<v Speaker 2>family sure, yeah. And then that means also the Bush

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<v Speaker 2>family because they're related. So he says, George W. Bush,

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<v Speaker 2>and I assume his father, George H. W. Bush, all reptilians.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So these lizard people they're from apparently the Alpha Draconis

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<v Speaker 2>solar system, and they are here on Earth and they

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<v Speaker 2>live in subterranean bases waiting to take over.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never been there, but I hear it's beauediful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, great sunsets. So this guy David Ikey, right, he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't come up with this idea on his own. The

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<v Speaker 2>idea had been around for a while, and most folks

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<v Speaker 2>they trace it back to the writer of the Conan,

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<v Speaker 2>the Barbarian fictional universe. Yeah, Robert E. Howard, And he

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<v Speaker 2>had a story called Shadow Kingdom, and in that story

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<v Speaker 2>he's got shape shifting serpent headed snake men. And then

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<v Speaker 2>you know, fast forward a few decades and you get

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<v Speaker 2>now online videos of people trying to prove that Beyonce

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<v Speaker 2>and Miley Cyrus are lizards. So thank you Robert E. Howard. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>not long after hearing about some of these shape shifting

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<v Speaker 2>reptilian alien talk from her daughter don Marie, the daughter

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<v Speaker 2>goes missing. So the mother's like, the alien's got my baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Then weeks later, her mother receives a handwritten letter from

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<v Speaker 2>her daughter. She's fine, Elizabeth, and the postmark is from Sacramento.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of weird because she's from LA. They're like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what's up with that? Moving on, Yeah, her mother's like, uh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad I heard from her and then she never

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<v Speaker 2>hears from her again. Hmm.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, thanks for her mother's concern and adventually, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's legitimately troubling, oh totally, but thanks for a mother's

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<v Speaker 2>concern and her coming forward to the press and also

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<v Speaker 2>filing a miss persons report. Some police action takes place

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<v Speaker 2>on this story.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, A little while later, the police up in Oregon

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<v Speaker 2>contact the mother and they inform her they just they

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<v Speaker 2>found don Marie. She's no longer missing. Don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>worry about her. Yeah, she was just walking around in

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<v Speaker 2>a motel parking lot after dark by herself, late at night,

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<v Speaker 2>and the cops recognized her from the missing person's bulletin

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<v Speaker 2>they've been put out, so they pulled over. They spoke

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<v Speaker 2>with her outside the motel parking lot and they told

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<v Speaker 2>her and about her mother filing the report. She's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>tell my mom, I'm fine. And also, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of a strange from her, so don't tell

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<v Speaker 2>her where I am, but tell her I'm fine. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>clearly not missing. So they do that, okay, and then

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<v Speaker 2>she disappeared again.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of sounds like last through this.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh dude, I'm telling you this story, like you keep thinking, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I got my hands on it, and then it shape

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<v Speaker 2>shifts away, Lizzie. So as more early news stories come out,

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<v Speaker 2>reporters find that the mystery dead guy, he's this creature

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<v Speaker 2>of habit, right, they start asking people who did you

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<v Speaker 2>know him? Did you know him? They talk to neighbors,

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<v Speaker 2>They find some waiters who come forward and they tell

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<v Speaker 2>the reporters about this mystery dead man. He would always

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<v Speaker 2>come to their restaurant, and of course he'd always eat

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing. He ordered raw filet mignon raw, don't

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<v Speaker 2>even put a match under it. He told the waiters

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<v Speaker 2>how he liked to eat that because he believed it

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<v Speaker 2>was vitally important to eat bloody cuts of red meat.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. So he's like a quoto dragon.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, I remember vampiric blood drinkers. So anyway, occasionally he

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<v Speaker 2>would mix this up. He'd also order a raw buffalo steak,

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<v Speaker 2>so when he wanted to mix it up, boom. But

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<v Speaker 2>he liked the red meat anyway. Raw red meat is

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<v Speaker 2>part of a growing theory online that this mystery dead

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<v Speaker 2>guy was indeed a half alien half human hybrid, because

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<v Speaker 2>that's the only explanation right, of course, probably part reptilian.

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<v Speaker 2>So keeping score, what do we have going so far?

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<v Speaker 2>We have an eccentric gun collector. We have a secret

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<v Speaker 2>arsenal big enough to invade Cuba. We have a rich

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<v Speaker 2>fiance who is the heiress of a real estate fortune

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<v Speaker 2>in La. She has an assistant who told her mother

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<v Speaker 2>that her boss and her boss's fiance are both aliens,

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<v Speaker 2>and that she's personally seen it that her boss is

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<v Speaker 2>a shape shifting reptilian. We also have a super spy

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<v Speaker 2>guy doing black ops missions for a secret government agency

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<v Speaker 2>we've yet to name check that maybe possibly part of

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<v Speaker 2>inter cosmic warfare. Of course, you're falling along so far.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, okay, but I haven't told you this guy's

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<v Speaker 2>name yet. His neighbors they nicknamed him Skinny Bob. His

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<v Speaker 2>government name was Jeffrey Allen.

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<v Speaker 1>Lash Jeffrey Allen is Skinny Bob. That's like, that's totally

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<v Speaker 1>like a nickname I would have for a neighbor or

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<v Speaker 1>a dog. Well, yeah, but I mean, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you have your neighbors.

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<v Speaker 2>That you know their name an Cavamack references.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, Well, Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 2>When I first started covering the story, this Dudejeffrey Allen Lash,

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<v Speaker 2>was a John Doe in the La County Morgue. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>they've been there for six weeks. No autopsy results were released,

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<v Speaker 2>which was odd. Yeah, and uh naturally obviously that helped

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<v Speaker 2>fan the flames of online theories. And this mystery dead

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<v Speaker 2>guy was, you know, indeed, shape shifting half human, half

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<v Speaker 2>alien hybrid super spy guy. Right. Because the lapd kept

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<v Speaker 2>stalling and saying, oh, we need a little more time,

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<v Speaker 2>people were like, they're trying to get together their cover up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, cause of death, excessive raw red meat.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's take a little break, okay, And after these

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<v Speaker 2>cozy commercial breaks, I queued up just for you, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>introduce you to Jeffrey Allen Lash, the man, and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>solve this super weird mystery together.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice, Elizabeth, we're back, sarn.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, how you doing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>I was checking online forums for this story when I

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<v Speaker 2>was doing my research.

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<v Speaker 1>I love online form oh the best, just.

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<v Speaker 2>The collection of opinions. I found this guy, Jeffrey Allen Lash.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a father, obviously, because a lot of people do,

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<v Speaker 2>and his father was quite an interesting fellow. Elizabeth. We

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<v Speaker 2>talked about the occult scene in and around LA in

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<v Speaker 2>the forties and early fifties. The scenes kind of ties

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<v Speaker 2>together a very interesting mix. You got Hollywood folks and

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<v Speaker 2>then like there's also physicists and scientists from the Jet

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<v Speaker 2>Propulsion Lab in Baceadena. Then he got your amateur occultists

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<v Speaker 2>in the vein of like Aleister Crowley and Anton Levy

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<v Speaker 2>and they're hanging around with like a young l ron

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<v Speaker 2>Hubbard in his pre scientology days. And then you throw

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<v Speaker 2>in like Ronald and Nancy Reagan who come into the

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<v Speaker 2>scene because they're into the occult and alleged sex and

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<v Speaker 2>drug parties. It's a wild bit, right. Jeffrey Allen Lash's

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<v Speaker 2>father all up in that scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh yeah, his dad.

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<v Speaker 2>He was certainly an odd fellow, right, So he's super secretive. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a scientist, a microbiologist. He founds his own lab,

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<v Speaker 2>which he was the lab director for like thirty years,

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<v Speaker 2>so he's good at it now. Around the time young

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<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Allen Lash was born or made or hatched or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever he was, his father was working with a pioneer

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<v Speaker 2>in gender affirming surgery. At the time. This guy was

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<v Speaker 2>known as a back alley sex change surgeon.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, his name is doctor Elmer Belt and he's huge

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<v Speaker 2>with like UCLA medicine. But he was also considered the

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<v Speaker 2>first person to perform the gender affirming surgery in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So his father's association with doctor Belt is also

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<v Speaker 2>what gives some folks online the asked to keep cooking

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<v Speaker 2>on their conspiracy theory with the mystery dead Guy's father

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<v Speaker 2>in the back alley sex change surgeon work together on

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<v Speaker 2>a secret plan to create a half alien, half human

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<v Speaker 2>hybrid and then raised him to be a super spy guy.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, in this confusing first weeks when everybody's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to sort fact from fiction, there was one man who

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<v Speaker 2>came forward and he said, I knew Jeffrey Allen lash right.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew him over the years, and I watched him change.

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<v Speaker 2>The man was a local AM radio reporter. I love

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<v Speaker 2>that the station kf I AM in LA. His name

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<v Speaker 2>is Eric Leonard, and since he'd personally known the mystery

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<v Speaker 2>dead guy all that's all over the local news, he

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<v Speaker 2>agreed to sit down for an exclusive interview with his

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<v Speaker 2>own station. So Leonard said he'd want to set the

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<v Speaker 2>record straight, right, so.

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<v Speaker 1>He gets interview himself.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we actually going did talk to people, but that'd

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<v Speaker 2>be great. He's just turning his head, So Eric Leonard

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<v Speaker 2>says on air, and I quote, part of my job

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<v Speaker 2>is to know lots of unusual people, and in those

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<v Speaker 2>travels I wound up crossing paths with this guy. So

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<v Speaker 2>then he gets into how he knows him. He goes

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<v Speaker 2>over what he recalls of Jeffrey Allen Lash. Acording to Leonard,

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<v Speaker 2>Lash was a very interesting character when I first ran

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<v Speaker 2>across about fifteen years ago. He was a very wealthy

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<v Speaker 2>person who was extremely secretive about everything in his personal life.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't want people he meant to even know his name.

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<v Speaker 2>He was paranoid, clearly, and that paranoia got worse over

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<v Speaker 2>the years. He thought he would become the target of

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<v Speaker 2>outside evil forces. He wanted to take his things, steal

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<v Speaker 2>his money, get ahold of his gun collection, which was

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<v Speaker 2>really one of his prize possessions.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So you get a little sense of this guy paranoid,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't like seeking wealthy anyway. Leonard says he learned about

0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:35.600
<v Speaker 2>Lash's health troubles and quote, it appears that he told

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<v Speaker 2>friends and others that he had als, but it may

0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:40.440
<v Speaker 2>have been something else. He knew maybe two years ago

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<v Speaker 2>that he was going to suffer a horrible death, and

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<v Speaker 2>he'd begun planning for that, and he was living his

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<v Speaker 2>life in a way that everybody would find highly unusual.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, in this reporter's estimation, could this man he

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<v Speaker 2>knew be the shape shifting, half alien human hybrid black

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<v Speaker 2>ops superspy guy everyone's talking about. Leonard unsurprisingly had his doubts.

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<v Speaker 2>The best of my knowledge, and from the few interactions

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<v Speaker 2>I had with him, and certainly from the stories that

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<v Speaker 2>people who knew him much better than me, they told

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<v Speaker 2>me he was a kind of a harmless kook. He

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<v Speaker 2>was somebody who was very well off, and if he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have money and means, he probably would have been

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<v Speaker 2>treated by society very very differently.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, you can be weird as all get out.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you got enough money?

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<v Speaker 2>The British eccentrics showed us the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this raises the question, was last just playing at

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<v Speaker 2>being a super spy guy because he had money? Or

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<v Speaker 2>if so, why would he want people to think he

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<v Speaker 2>was a reptilian? That doesn't quite jive? And was he

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<v Speaker 2>actually wealthy? Was even that true. Ye, back to Leonard,

0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:37.320
<v Speaker 2>he'd never worked today. As far as I knew, the

0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:39.440
<v Speaker 2>money came from his father's side. He had a mother

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<v Speaker 2>and father, they're both deceased. He has no relatives anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>no brothers, no sisters. He was the end of the line.

0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:48.879
<v Speaker 2>He was the sole recipient of his family's wealth. But

0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:52.520
<v Speaker 2>he was extremely evasive about where that came from. But

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<v Speaker 2>the best I've been able to deduce his father worked

0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:58.160
<v Speaker 2>in science and had patents that were licensed and were

0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:02.520
<v Speaker 2>involved in some very very heavily used pharmaceuticals, and the

0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:05.520
<v Speaker 2>royalties from that came in the millions, millions of millions

0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:07.640
<v Speaker 2>of dollars. When I first met him, he was receiving

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<v Speaker 2>a disbursement from the family trust somewhere in the neighborhood,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is an educated guest, somewhere in the neighborhood

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<v Speaker 2>of thirty or forty thousand dollars a week a week, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and twenty month, Yeah, one hundred and sixty

0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:23.640
<v Speaker 2>dollars a month. Yet, depending on which one you guess.

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<v Speaker 1>What pharmaceutical money.

0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:27.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. How much trouble with that theory is that microbiologists

0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:29.000
<v Speaker 2>rarely patent anything.

0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:31.880
<v Speaker 1>You don't know, not anything that's worth.

0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:34.720
<v Speaker 2>A fortune, and his father was just that. So was

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<v Speaker 2>this any of this true? Right? Well, let's just get

0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:39.520
<v Speaker 2>past all that, because Leonard doesn't know the answer to that.

0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:42.359
<v Speaker 2>Does he Was this guy a super spy guy or not? Leonard?

0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Good question.

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<v Speaker 2>So, according to the KFI AM radio reporter, Leonard, from

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<v Speaker 2>everything I know, it's very unlikely, especially because the two

0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:52.000
<v Speaker 2>people I know that know him are the real deal.

0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:55.600
<v Speaker 2>They're involved with actual stuff, with actual agencies, and they

0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:59.679
<v Speaker 2>are very serious individuals. Well, isn't that exactly what they

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<v Speaker 2>would hey, Leonard?

0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:03.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean if they know him and they're both big

0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:05.160
<v Speaker 2>muckety MUCKs and real agencies, they are like, oh yeah,

0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:05.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't worry about that.

0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:09.240
<v Speaker 1>I know zero muckety MUCKs and real agencies, and this

0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:10.920
<v Speaker 1>guy's got two exactly.

0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:13.639
<v Speaker 2>And they're both trying to act like there's no story here.

0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:15.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So, try as he might, Leonard obviously did not help

0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:20.120
<v Speaker 2>put out the flames of online theories. He let them

0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:23.280
<v Speaker 2>burn on. At this point, Elizabeth, I started doing research

0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:24.919
<v Speaker 2>on this story, and I reached out to some folks.

0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:26.760
<v Speaker 2>I did some interviews, and at one point I tracked

0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:29.359
<v Speaker 2>down Don Marie's mother. Okay, and I asked to speak

0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:30.600
<v Speaker 2>with her. I'm like, give me the goods.

0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Elizabeth, you thought this story is odd, Here's where

0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:37.439
<v Speaker 2>it takes another turn. No, wa, yeah, I drove up

0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:40.159
<v Speaker 2>to meet her. She lives up like a Inventora County

0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:42.359
<v Speaker 2>and I go and I talked to Laura vad Bunker,

0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:44.159
<v Speaker 2>that's the mother. I asked her about her daughter, and

0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:46.959
<v Speaker 2>she interrupts to tell me that she adopted don Marie

0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:50.160
<v Speaker 2>earlier that year. She adopted a thirty nine year old woman.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, yeah, you can you do that?

0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:54.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, totally. Can you adopt anybody if you want to?

0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:55.080
<v Speaker 1>You can't?

0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can. You just have to do the lookout

0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:59.920
<v Speaker 2>where well they have to agree to. But you see,

0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:03.200
<v Speaker 2>don Marie had been dating their son, okay, the bad

0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:06.240
<v Speaker 2>Bunker's son. Yeah, they got married and then the vad

0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Bunkers helped the couple to get a house. But not

0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:10.680
<v Speaker 2>long after that, things kind of go south. Her son

0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:13.639
<v Speaker 2>walks out on don Marie. That leads to this terrible

0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:16.280
<v Speaker 2>downward spiral for her. Don Marie then loses the home,

0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:19.600
<v Speaker 2>she loses her car. At some point, the family's like,

0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:21.399
<v Speaker 2>we understand if you want to, like, you know, annull

0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:23.399
<v Speaker 2>the marriage, and so she did. She annulled the marriage

0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:25.399
<v Speaker 2>to their son. But the bad Bunkers were like, but

0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:27.359
<v Speaker 2>we love you, We're not prepared to say goodbye to

0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:29.760
<v Speaker 2>our daughter in law. So they adopted her and they

0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:32.080
<v Speaker 2>dropped the in law part and they just made her

0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:37.840
<v Speaker 2>their daughter, which means she's now her ex husband's legal sister. Yeah. Right,

0:24:38.000 --> 0:24:40.280
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, that was about the same time that don

0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:43.120
<v Speaker 2>Marie got a job working for Catherine Lebron Goren as

0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:44.200
<v Speaker 2>her personal assistant.

0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, like when you hit a low point

0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:48.879
<v Speaker 1>in life, you've got to go get a job working

0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:51.040
<v Speaker 1>for some like rich.

0:24:52.880 --> 0:24:55.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good call because it'll at least keep

0:24:55.359 --> 0:24:58.160
<v Speaker 2>your life interesting exactly. So at this point she's mostly

0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:00.399
<v Speaker 2>taking care of like processing legal paper work because I

0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:01.840
<v Speaker 2>remember real estate Empire allowed to leave.

0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:04.400
<v Speaker 1>I forgot about the real estate thing. I was like, Oh,

0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:05.600
<v Speaker 1>she's just in a lot of trouble.

0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:08.720
<v Speaker 2>No, she has lawyers, but you know, anyway, so she's

0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:11.400
<v Speaker 2>going mostly dah. Marie is going through boxes of contracts

0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:13.720
<v Speaker 2>for her boss, Catherine, and at this point she's yet

0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:17.640
<v Speaker 2>to meet her boss's mystery fiance. Then six months before

0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:20.439
<v Speaker 2>he dies, don Marie gets brought inside the circle of trust.

0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:24.080
<v Speaker 2>She meets Jeffrey Allen Lash, although she knows him as

0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:26.919
<v Speaker 2>Bob Skinny Bob. Yeah, he can introduce himself, is he

0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:29.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm Bob oh? I remember, he doesn't want people to

0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:34.240
<v Speaker 2>know his name, not even his fiance's assistant. According to

0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:37.040
<v Speaker 2>our adopted mother, though, this is when don Marie started

0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:41.640
<v Speaker 2>to change lauras she noted that do Marie's diet changed dramatically.

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.320
<v Speaker 2>All she wanted to eat was raw food. She said

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:46.920
<v Speaker 2>this was a suggestion from Jeffrey Allen Lash. Only eat

0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:48.679
<v Speaker 2>raw meat, anything with blood in it.

0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh God.

0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:51.400
<v Speaker 2>This is just the start, though, because soon don Marie

0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:53.720
<v Speaker 2>starts talking about how Jeffrey Allen Lash is so important

0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:56.080
<v Speaker 2>in her life, and then also he's secretly a shape

0:25:56.080 --> 0:25:59.800
<v Speaker 2>shifting half alien, half human hybrid. Her adoptive mother starts

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:02.200
<v Speaker 2>to question some of this weirdness, right, She's like, what's

0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:04.440
<v Speaker 2>going on, Dummer. He's like, I'm healing him, I'm helping

0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:07.840
<v Speaker 2>to save the world. That's the raw meat talking you

0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:10.560
<v Speaker 2>all protein hopped up. So to prove to her adoptive

0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:13.679
<v Speaker 2>mother how special Bob is aka Jeffrey Allen Lash, she

0:26:13.880 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 2>arranged for Laura to meet him, right, just because I

0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 2>forgot to tell you this. Laura is a wreaky healer,

0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:21.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, like lay your hands on people but don't

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:25.399
<v Speaker 2>actually touch them, and so she's called in. Of course

0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:28.359
<v Speaker 2>heal Bob. All right, So Laura meets him. He's in

0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:30.320
<v Speaker 2>an suv because that's just where he loves to be,

0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:33.600
<v Speaker 2>and he's acting weird as ever. The mother Laura, she

0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:36.480
<v Speaker 2>performs a wreaky healing or Reichy healing on him. She

0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:38.760
<v Speaker 2>told me that she said he was the sickest man

0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:39.879
<v Speaker 2>alive I've ever seen.

0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:44.720
<v Speaker 1>This is so fringes of la, Like you had a

0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:48.080
<v Speaker 1>deck of cards with all the elements of fringe la.

0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 1>You started pulling him lagor like the magnet poetry refrigerator exactly.

0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:59.000
<v Speaker 2>They just overturned the box and just started throwing things

0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:00.879
<v Speaker 2>up on the refrigerator. Was like, oh wow, this is

0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:01.959
<v Speaker 2>an amazing story.

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Does Aaron tell this story?

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:06.600
<v Speaker 2>So at this point, don Marie and her mother they're

0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:08.680
<v Speaker 2>trying to like it's kind of suss out, like is

0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:12.320
<v Speaker 2>he actually a half alien human hybrid super spy and

0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:14.840
<v Speaker 2>so dah Marie told her adoptive mother, who was willing

0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:18.240
<v Speaker 2>to entertain the idea. And I quote, this is Laura

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 2>telling the story about Don Marie. So one day she

0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:23.840
<v Speaker 2>came home very emotional and crying. She said, there's a god.

0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:26.679
<v Speaker 2>There's a god. There's a god. And I said, okay,

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:30.199
<v Speaker 2>what's going on? And she says, I saw Bob and

0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:33.320
<v Speaker 2>really he has yellow eyes. He's got like a reptilian body.

0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:36.160
<v Speaker 2>And I said, how did this happen? And she tells

0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:38.040
<v Speaker 2>me I saw him in the suv like that, and

0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:41.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, okay. So I started being very careful with

0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:44.400
<v Speaker 2>her mentally and emotionally. I saw major changes in six

0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 2>weeks that I could not explain. She was devoted to

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Catherine and Bob. It was like she gave up her

0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 2>whole life to.

0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Do this six weeks.

0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Six weeks.

0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:52.120
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:54.840
<v Speaker 2>So now that she's actually met him and seems somewhat reasonable,

0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:56.760
<v Speaker 2>I had to ask, you know, did Laura think that

0:27:56.880 --> 0:28:00.199
<v Speaker 2>jeffreyon Lash was a half alien half human hybrid? You

0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:01.200
<v Speaker 2>did the wreky on him?

0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:03.200
<v Speaker 1>She saw him in the suv? Was he dead then?

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:05.520
<v Speaker 2>No, he was a lot more just close to death.

0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Man. He looked terrible.

0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:10.000
<v Speaker 2>So she told me, and I quote, our government says

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 2>there's no area fifty one. Our government says there's no UFOs.

0:28:13.200 --> 0:28:16.159
<v Speaker 2>Our government says we've never recovered aliens. Well, we all know,

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:18.280
<v Speaker 2>if you do your research on it, that's a one

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:22.040
<v Speaker 2>hundred percent lie because apparently we as humans cannot accept

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:24.800
<v Speaker 2>the truth that we are not the only ones here. Okay,

0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 2>well the government has come around, So I gotta give her.

0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:28.560
<v Speaker 1>That one as like, well, what else is?

0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:33.199
<v Speaker 2>Youre? Right? And so anyway, after that one weird encounter. So,

0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:35.720
<v Speaker 2>according to Laura, the mother DN Marie once told her

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:39.400
<v Speaker 2>that Lash told her that quote. He was half alien,

0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:41.080
<v Speaker 2>half man, and he was a hybrid, and he was

0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:43.480
<v Speaker 2>a high security operative for a government agency that we

0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:45.160
<v Speaker 2>don't know about. And the only thing that I can

0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:46.960
<v Speaker 2>think of that would be higher than the CIA is

0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:49.600
<v Speaker 2>the DA. There's also a man who came forth and

0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:51.360
<v Speaker 2>sent us a picture and he said, Bob worked with

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:54.360
<v Speaker 2>the DIA in nineteen ninety six. What's the DIA The

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 2>Department of Defense Intelligence Agency?

0:28:57.600 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh oh, oh, okay, yeah, it's like.

0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:01.320
<v Speaker 2>The CIA, but for the right, like bigger, yeah, for

0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:04.760
<v Speaker 2>the military. More So, I had to follow up on this, right,

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 2>being a diligent journalist, I asked well, wait, someone emailed

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 2>you and told you Bob worked for the DIA, And

0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 2>so she told me, yes, under a different name, it

0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:15.720
<v Speaker 2>wasn't Jeffrey Lash. The man came forward from another agency

0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 2>that deals with extraterrestrials and things like that. And what

0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 2>I got out of my conversation with Bob was that

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:22.520
<v Speaker 2>he was working on aliens. But you can't find any

0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 2>information online about Bob or Catherine, just what their parents did.

0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:27.320
<v Speaker 2>That seems very odd to me.

0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Like, here's the thing. When I hear crazy stories like this,

0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:32.680
<v Speaker 1>I always have to take a pause and be like,

0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:33.920
<v Speaker 1>what if it's true?

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes, right there you go. That's how I do it.

0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:38.640
<v Speaker 2>I always like to keep open the potential of like,

0:29:38.680 --> 0:29:40.960
<v Speaker 2>well why not. Yeah, it's a much more interesting world alive.

0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Bit So I asked her, do you think he is

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 2>a secret Black Ops half alien spot? She thought a moment,

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:48.840
<v Speaker 2>and then she told me I thought about this for

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:52.120
<v Speaker 2>a long time. Either he believed this one hundred percent

0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:55.840
<v Speaker 2>or he's one hundred percent sociopath. It's one or the other.

0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 2>There is no third way.

0:29:57.120 --> 0:29:58.800
<v Speaker 1>Well he believed it when.

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so she was yeah, exactly so, mostly though, she's

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:04.880
<v Speaker 2>just worried about her adopted daughter, because she in MINDA

0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Marie is still missing at this point. So she had

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:11.479
<v Speaker 2>sent that one suspicious hand letter from Sacramento. But at

0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:13.080
<v Speaker 2>this point when I talked to her, she's only heard

0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:15.280
<v Speaker 2>from the police in Oregon. So and she may be

0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 2>an adoptive mother, but she's still a mother. She still

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:21.040
<v Speaker 2>got a mother's full concern, so adopt this exactly. So

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:23.040
<v Speaker 2>she was worried that Da Marie was hiding out, perhaps

0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:24.720
<v Speaker 2>from some secret government agency.

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, you got to go to the Pacific Northwest or

0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:28.040
<v Speaker 1>something like that.

0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:32.320
<v Speaker 2>She may know too much. She's probably hiding up there

0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:36.040
<v Speaker 2>with Bigfoot. So Catherine de bron Goren at this point resurfaces.

0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 2>She comes back to La she finds her fiance's dead

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 2>body in the suv. She calls her lawyer, he calls

0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:43.959
<v Speaker 2>the LAPD. And clearly she's not hiding from anyone. So

0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:46.520
<v Speaker 2>what's the story there, or she is hiding she's bad

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:49.200
<v Speaker 2>at it. But her lawyer told the press that his

0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 2>client quote still very much believes that her dead fiance

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 2>was working with the CIA. So the LAPD is quick

0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:57.040
<v Speaker 2>to determine there was no foul play.

0:30:57.320 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Why is the lawyer making public state he doesn't need.

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:02.120
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't need to. I don't I do not know. I

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:04.720
<v Speaker 2>think he just likes talking to the press anyway. Since

0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 2>there's no murder for them to investigate the LAPD, he's like, well,

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 2>we're just gonna focus on the booby trapped condo and

0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:11.960
<v Speaker 2>all those guns and the storage and its Yeah, now,

0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 2>your people, Elizabeth the web Slute, they stay on this

0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 2>case and the guns because the guns they had for

0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 2>probate court. Which brings us to Jeffrey Allen, Lash's lawyer. Okay,

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:23.600
<v Speaker 2>his name Bob Rentzer. He was Lash's on call lawyer

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 2>for roughly a decade, and in fact, he'd been called

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 2>into action with a time or two before in the

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:30.120
<v Speaker 2>past when Jeffrey all and Lash ran into some trouble

0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:30.560
<v Speaker 2>with the law.

0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 1>He's actual Bob.

0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:36.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So there was this burglary back in the day

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 2>and all of Jeffrey all and Lash's guns were stolen.

0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:42.400
<v Speaker 2>He was distraught. He filed a police report, and then

0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:44.640
<v Speaker 2>he filed an insurance claim. Then the company paid out

0:31:44.640 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 2>on all of his guns. But then the LAPD started

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:49.719
<v Speaker 2>to find his guns at different raids and crime scenes

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:51.920
<v Speaker 2>and they collected them and then they returned the guns

0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:54.520
<v Speaker 2>as they were recovered. And then this is where the

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:57.240
<v Speaker 2>story takes another weird turn. But rather than me tell

0:31:57.240 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 2>you about Elizabeth, I'd like you to close your eyes

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 2>and I'd like you to picture it.

0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Well.

0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:06.320
<v Speaker 2>It's a call morning at the Lost Hill Station of

0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:09.360
<v Speaker 2>the LA Sheriff's Department, and you, Elizabeth, have been transferred

0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:11.360
<v Speaker 2>from the Flying Squad in London and are doing an

0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 2>immersive exchange with the LA Sheriff's Department as part of

0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 2>a pilot program. At the moment, DCI Dutton, you are

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 2>seated in the lobby of the Lost Hill Station waiting

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:21.840
<v Speaker 2>for your liaison officer to arrive. So you flip through

0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:24.560
<v Speaker 2>a two year old copy of law Man magazine as

0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:27.920
<v Speaker 2>you wait, But you hear this tremendous promotion outside, and

0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:30.160
<v Speaker 2>being curious as you are, you pop up out of

0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:32.440
<v Speaker 2>the uncomfortable seat and take a short walk over to

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:35.320
<v Speaker 2>the sliding glass doors. A slide apart and you step

0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:38.960
<v Speaker 2>through to the outside. The desert air greets you. It's dry, Chris.

0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:42.280
<v Speaker 2>You're filled with the sounds of men working unloading a truck.

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.080
<v Speaker 2>Perhaps You walk around the corner through an open gate

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:48.040
<v Speaker 2>into a police yard where you spy inmates from the

0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 2>detention facility at the sheriff station busy loading a truck

0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 2>with what looks to be hundreds of guns. The inmates

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 2>are under the watch of a few Sheriff's deputies, each

0:32:57.200 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 2>one of them tot's a shotgun. The inmates move in

0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 2>an or procession, walking back and forth between the open

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 2>back of the truck in the crates of the guns

0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 2>on the loading dock of the sheriff station. You wonder yourself,

0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 2>fly me, that's a mess of firearms. The guns are

0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 2>wrapped in wax paper. They're sealed. You can't actually see

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:16.640
<v Speaker 2>the guns. But what else is gun? Shaped like that?

0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 2>Over your shoulder, you sense some movement and see the

0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:21.880
<v Speaker 2>approach of two men. One is a rumpled lawyer, the

0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:24.280
<v Speaker 2>kind you find in an office and a half abandoned

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:26.680
<v Speaker 2>strip mall in the valley. The other, you assume is

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:29.000
<v Speaker 2>his client or his maybe his junior partner, due to

0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 2>the fact that he never speaks. The lawyer walks into

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:33.960
<v Speaker 2>the seat, his client trailing after him, and you hear

0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 2>the lawyer ask, are those my client's firearms you're loading?

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:39.880
<v Speaker 2>A sheriff deputy calls over and says that they'll be

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:42.360
<v Speaker 2>done loading them soon and that they can drive them

0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:45.720
<v Speaker 2>home or do whatever his client wants with his arsenal.

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 2>You study this man, the client. He doesn't look back

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 2>at you. Instead, he's just hyper focused on his guns.

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 2>You can see his jaw kind of clench. He's pissed.

0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:56.720
<v Speaker 2>It's something. All you can tell is that something ain't

0:33:56.760 --> 0:33:59.320
<v Speaker 2>right with this guy. His lawyer turns back to quietly

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:02.000
<v Speaker 2>confer with his client, But standing where you are, you're

0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:04.280
<v Speaker 2>close enough to hear what is said as his words

0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of drift over to you, carried by that desert breeze.

0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:09.880
<v Speaker 2>The lawyer tells his client that those are all your guns,

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:13.240
<v Speaker 2>not one is missing. But the client is still staring

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:17.360
<v Speaker 2>at the deputies handling his weapons. He replies, to clenched teeth,

0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:22.000
<v Speaker 2>there's one that's unwrapped. Look at it. To my mind,

0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:26.479
<v Speaker 2>that destroys the pristine, original condition of the firearm. It's

0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:30.440
<v Speaker 2>been spoiled. You silently wonder yourself, is this guy the

0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:32.000
<v Speaker 2>most American guy there? Ever?

0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:32.279
<v Speaker 1>Is?

0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:36.319
<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth? What you just witnessed was Jeffrey Allen lash having

0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:38.359
<v Speaker 2>his stolen guns returned to him. But if you can

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:40.680
<v Speaker 2>believe that the La Sheriffs would come back and take

0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:43.880
<v Speaker 2>his guns again. Oh yes, but anyway, let to take

0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:46.200
<v Speaker 2>a little break and after these home baked ads, we'll

0:34:46.320 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 2>get to the truth of this mystery. Nice and we're back, Elizabeth,

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:11.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes we are. So how you joined this one so far?

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 2>I love this right because in all these directions you

0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 2>don't know where it's We'll see if we can land

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 2>this bad boy.

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Please.

0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:18.920
<v Speaker 2>All right, I know you don't go in for the

0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:22.000
<v Speaker 2>woo woo quite like I do, but you are open minded, right, yeah,

0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:24.200
<v Speaker 2>you will entertain it nearly as long as I will.

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:27.239
<v Speaker 2>So I got to ask a question for you. How

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:29.520
<v Speaker 2>much did Jeffrey Allen Lash love those guns?

0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:31.600
<v Speaker 1>I would say a lot, Yeah.

0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 2>Right, little worrisome, Yeah, the teeth clenching. They're like, don't

0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 2>touch my guns are not pristine. I mean, dude's like

0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 2>not right.

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, he's like the kind of people who have like

0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:41.720
<v Speaker 1>the figurines in the box.

0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, totally. But if the figurine could kill

0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:48.239
<v Speaker 2>like thirty people, well some cans. Now remember how you

0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:50.239
<v Speaker 2>were there when he had them returned to him his

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:51.960
<v Speaker 2>guns and he got all weird bad right because I

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 2>touched the bear wood skin or whatever the.

0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Guns were at various places. They weren't all in one location.

0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:59.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they had to be collected and given back, but.

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:02.760
<v Speaker 1>They were able to get all of them. Apparently, that's weird.

0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:05.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So the insurance company they had paid out on

0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 2>these stolen guns, right, so when they find out that

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:10.560
<v Speaker 2>Lash got his stolen guns back, the insurance company is like, bro,

0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:13.640
<v Speaker 2>that's fraud. So they filed charges against Lash. So what

0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:15.440
<v Speaker 2>does that mean. It means the sheriff deputy you have

0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:17.440
<v Speaker 2>to come back out and seizeon and pound all of

0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:19.759
<v Speaker 2>his guns again. And you know how that's gonna go.

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:23.840
<v Speaker 2>He hated that, I say so. Now, dropping back into

0:36:23.880 --> 0:36:26.680
<v Speaker 2>this ongoing saga of stolen is seze guns. His lawyer,

0:36:26.880 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 2>the real Bob Bob Rentzer, swans back in like a

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:32.360
<v Speaker 2>legal superhero from a strip mall, and he helps Lash

0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:36.200
<v Speaker 2>navigate the many intricacies of the La County courts. He

0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:39.640
<v Speaker 2>gets the fraud charges dismissed, He gets the guns returned

0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:43.040
<v Speaker 2>to Lash yet again. Now, after that whole stolen gun

0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:46.080
<v Speaker 2>debacle and getting it returned and then taking in returned

0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:48.000
<v Speaker 2>and so forth, Lash is now worried that people are

0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:49.799
<v Speaker 2>gonna take his gun. So yeah, this is probably when

0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:53.680
<v Speaker 2>he starts booby trapping condos anyway. Yeah, but he was

0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:55.759
<v Speaker 2>a super spy guy. Why did he have to go

0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 2>through the open court to get his guns back?

0:36:57.800 --> 0:36:59.600
<v Speaker 1>That's a good well, you know, you don't want to

0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:01.000
<v Speaker 1>draw sure, but.

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:02.680
<v Speaker 2>It seems like kind of a strike against him being

0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:06.080
<v Speaker 2>part of a super secret black OPA team. So, just

0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:08.800
<v Speaker 2>like with Don Marie's adoptive mother, since I have Lash's

0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 2>lawyer on the phone, I asked him, what was this

0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:14.040
<v Speaker 2>dad like to deal with personally? Yeah, Renzer told me

0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:17.080
<v Speaker 2>it was very, very nice to me. He wasn't demanding

0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:19.200
<v Speaker 2>at all, very friendly. In fact, he'd been to the

0:37:19.200 --> 0:37:21.439
<v Speaker 2>house several times. He was always welcome at the house.

0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:23.640
<v Speaker 2>I tell you we had an attorney client relationship. We

0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:26.920
<v Speaker 2>also had a very cordial, friendly relationship. We would go

0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:29.000
<v Speaker 2>out to dinner together. I was friends with his father.

0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:31.920
<v Speaker 2>That's how I met Jeff Okay. I asked where the

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:33.839
<v Speaker 2>money came from? Did you know the dad right?

0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 1>Exactly?

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:36.680
<v Speaker 2>The lawyer, He explained, I had no idea he was

0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 2>getting his money. He didn't never appear to have a

0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:41.439
<v Speaker 2>job like he was always available at all times during

0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:43.719
<v Speaker 2>the day. It was never like also you after work.

0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:45.839
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he ever used that word work in

0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:49.600
<v Speaker 2>any of our conversations. Huh, So, what about the big question?

0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:53.520
<v Speaker 2>Was this dude a half alien, half human eivor or not? Bob, So,

0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:55.800
<v Speaker 2>over the phone, I asked him that. He laughed at me, Elizabeth,

0:37:56.800 --> 0:37:59.239
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I'm a lawyer, come on, brother. I was like, Bro,

0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 2>I have to and he was like all right. So

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:04.440
<v Speaker 2>when I did ask him and he decided to answer,

0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:07.080
<v Speaker 2>he said no. And if he was, he would have

0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:10.160
<v Speaker 2>told me that's ridiculous, son. They never would file criminal

0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:11.920
<v Speaker 2>charges on him or any of his cases. If he

0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:14.800
<v Speaker 2>were a government agent, they would have brought disciplinary proceedings

0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:17.160
<v Speaker 2>against him when that case was filed criminally against him

0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:19.480
<v Speaker 2>for the insurance rod. So we got a pretty good

0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:20.000
<v Speaker 2>answer there.

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:20.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:22.399
<v Speaker 2>So I said, well, what was he really like then, Bob?

0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:25.319
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, well, a bright, average ordinary guy with

0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 2>an extraordinary interest in guns. Yeah. I'd say five million

0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:33.400
<v Speaker 2>dollars worth of guns qualifies as more than an extraordinary interest. Yeah,

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:38.440
<v Speaker 2>maybe obsessive. Anyway, he chalked all this obsession on guns

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:41.200
<v Speaker 2>to a complex human emotion. You know what that human

0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:45.239
<v Speaker 2>emotion was? Elizabeth Renser says, how do you explain love.

0:38:45.840 --> 0:38:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh gun, he loved guns. You can't explain love. It's

0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:52.840
<v Speaker 2>an emotional feeling. It's so true, Elizabeth. You can't explain love.

0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Especially when it's an inanimate object.

0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:57.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and some men they would love guns like other

0:38:57.440 --> 0:39:00.400
<v Speaker 2>people love puppies, you know. And that second may be

0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:03.440
<v Speaker 2>the key to underwinding this mystery. But according to his fiance,

0:39:03.600 --> 0:39:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Catherine lebron, Gorn's lawyer, Lash, remember I told you stash

0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:09.520
<v Speaker 2>guns all around the LA basin, so it's just the

0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:12.120
<v Speaker 2>ones they found. And he also said that he likely

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:14.120
<v Speaker 2>paid the rent on them for at least ten years

0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:18.000
<v Speaker 2>in advance, which means sometime about next year, quite possibly,

0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:19.880
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of storage units in LA will come up

0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 2>for auction. So some lucky buyer out there might win

0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:25.799
<v Speaker 2>an arsenal of guns, maybe some amphibious assault vehicles or

0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:27.000
<v Speaker 2>a bulletproof suv.

0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:27.799
<v Speaker 1>Who knows.

0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Good luck La County. But that mystery we will have

0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:33.560
<v Speaker 2>to wait on. Anyway. The mystery we can solve today

0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:36.319
<v Speaker 2>was Jeffrey Allen Lash, a shape shifting half alien, half

0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:40.520
<v Speaker 2>human hybrid superspy guy for a secret black ops government program. Hell,

0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:42.839
<v Speaker 2>that's a mouthful. It is to answer that we need

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:47.040
<v Speaker 2>to introduce a new character, a mysterious blonde woman Elizabeth.

0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:49.839
<v Speaker 2>As reporters interviewed the neighbors, and me being one of them,

0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 2>the story came out about how every night a mysterious

0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:55.000
<v Speaker 2>blond woman would pull up in a Mercedes ben in

0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:57.920
<v Speaker 2>front of the booby trapped condo townhouse, the one of

0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:01.200
<v Speaker 2>the Pacific Palisades. The mysterious blonde, as I said, every night,

0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:03.600
<v Speaker 2>and she'd show up. Her car has no license plate,

0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:06.040
<v Speaker 2>just like Jeffrey al and Lash's car always had no

0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:08.560
<v Speaker 2>license plate, had no license never, never for years.

0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:11.000
<v Speaker 1>So they came down from Oakland exactly.

0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:12.359
<v Speaker 2>But every six months he would go get a new

0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:14.800
<v Speaker 2>least Mercedes or whatever and then just do the things.

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 4>It style.

0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:22.759
<v Speaker 2>So each night, though, this woman in the Mercedes with

0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:25.359
<v Speaker 2>no license plates, she'd drop off a green trash bag

0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:28.359
<v Speaker 2>on the front steps of the condo every night, every night,

0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:30.280
<v Speaker 2>full of what's in the bag?

0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:31.520
<v Speaker 1>The bag?

0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:35.239
<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth, So I wondered about this little detail. It was like,

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:37.759
<v Speaker 2>every night, why is a mysterious blonde dropping off a

0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:40.560
<v Speaker 2>trash bag? Is it drugs? Is it money? Is it ammo?

0:40:41.920 --> 0:40:44.560
<v Speaker 2>So it couldn't be very heavy because the mystery blonde

0:40:44.560 --> 0:40:46.279
<v Speaker 2>didn't look all that strong for the people who saw

0:40:46.920 --> 0:40:50.040
<v Speaker 2>My guess was money or drugs? Yeah, maybe cancer drugs,

0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:54.439
<v Speaker 2>maybe more all natural health food supplements. Well, after Lash died,

0:40:54.840 --> 0:40:57.960
<v Speaker 2>the green bag ritual stopped, so there was certainly some connection,

0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:00.960
<v Speaker 2>right the bags wore for him. The mystery blonde who

0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:03.880
<v Speaker 2>is she? Well, it wasn't Catherine lebron Goren and it

0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:06.799
<v Speaker 2>wasn't don Marie Vadbunker. The mystery blonde though she did

0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:10.520
<v Speaker 2>have a lawyer, so she lawyered up and she wouldn't

0:41:10.560 --> 0:41:14.240
<v Speaker 2>answer questions from her reporter anyway. The mysterious blonde woman's

0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:16.960
<v Speaker 2>name is Michelle Lyons. Okay, and Jeffrey Allen. Lash was

0:41:16.960 --> 0:41:20.840
<v Speaker 2>apparently in a complicated love triangle. Michelle Lyons is the

0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:23.719
<v Speaker 2>owner of a lucrative computer consulting firm that works with lawyers. Right,

0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:25.759
<v Speaker 2>so it means, just like Catherine de bron Gorn, she

0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:29.080
<v Speaker 2>also has money. So she gave this money freely over

0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:31.880
<v Speaker 2>to Lash so he could enjoy his great love of guns.

0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:33.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh Man.

0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Now, her lawyer estimates that over the years, Lions gave

0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Lash about a million dollars. What Yeah, because she wanted

0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Lash to feel the love. Yeah, and she and he

0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:46.840
<v Speaker 2>kept his relationship separate from her and didn't tell Catherine

0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:49.840
<v Speaker 2>de bron Goren about it. And that's who's condo he

0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:52.080
<v Speaker 2>lived in by the way in Pacific Palisades with Catherine

0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:52.759
<v Speaker 2>debron Goran.

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:53.879
<v Speaker 1>So she just lived there.

0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:55.520
<v Speaker 2>She had all the real estates. So she's like, oh,

0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:56.520
<v Speaker 2>she lived there too with her.

0:41:56.600 --> 0:41:59.040
<v Speaker 1>She lived there too. And then this lady's dropping off

0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:01.120
<v Speaker 1>god knows every night.

0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:03.160
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And so I was like, did they know about

0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:06.080
<v Speaker 2>each other? I think they'd be pissed. But apparently Michelle

0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Lyons knew that Lash lived with Catherine lebron Goren. She

0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:14.120
<v Speaker 2>just didn't care because you know, she was convinced that

0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:17.960
<v Speaker 2>that was his roommate and business partner. Okay, And so

0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:20.319
<v Speaker 2>she's like, oh, yeah, they just lived together. Yeah, they're

0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:20.680
<v Speaker 2>just you.

0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:22.240
<v Speaker 1>Know, I'm giving him millions of dollars.

0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:24.600
<v Speaker 2>He has a roommate, totally full grown adults who lived

0:42:24.640 --> 0:42:26.560
<v Speaker 2>together in a townhouse their business partners.

0:42:26.560 --> 0:42:29.600
<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth, did did Catherine know about the blonde? Oh?

0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:31.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll get to that in a second, but first

0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:33.560
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I should answer your question about the

0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:35.440
<v Speaker 2>green bags. Yeah, what's in the green bags?

0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:36.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:38.640
<v Speaker 2>You were right it was all food. It was it

0:42:38.680 --> 0:42:40.960
<v Speaker 2>was the raw meat that he liked to eat. It

0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:43.160
<v Speaker 2>was all the meals that Lash would need for the

0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:43.759
<v Speaker 2>next day.

0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Meal prepped him.

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:49.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, meat totally in a trash bag. And she had

0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:53.279
<v Speaker 2>known Lions, had known him first. She had been cool

0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:57.120
<v Speaker 2>with him for thirty one years, thirty one. For thirty

0:42:57.120 --> 0:43:00.160
<v Speaker 2>one years, Elizabeth, And for thirty one years, she never

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:03.359
<v Speaker 2>took a vacation, so she would always be available to

0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:05.880
<v Speaker 2>him if he needed to her to bring him his

0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:09.920
<v Speaker 2>daily bread or whatever. Thirty one years, no vacation day.

0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:11.960
<v Speaker 2>She took care of him every day for thirty one years.

0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:13.680
<v Speaker 2>As he got sick, I think then she started bringing.

0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Him there yeahs of food, but was just always on

0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:18.360
<v Speaker 1>call for thirty one years.

0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:20.799
<v Speaker 2>And as you were wondering did they know about each other,

0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:23.080
<v Speaker 2>Lions and lebron Goren both knew about each other. But

0:43:23.080 --> 0:43:25.600
<v Speaker 2>more than that, they spoke on the phone every day.

0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:29.479
<v Speaker 2>Every day they talked, and.

0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:31.640
<v Speaker 1>So they just thought the other was just a pal.

0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:33.799
<v Speaker 2>Yes, they were both convinced that the other one was

0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:38.000
<v Speaker 2>just like his galpal, his girl Friday. So so for

0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:40.480
<v Speaker 2>a decade at least, both of these women believe that

0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:42.799
<v Speaker 2>they are the super spy guy's one true love and

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:44.920
<v Speaker 2>that the other one is just his business partner. And

0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:46.840
<v Speaker 2>he tells them just don't ever bring up what we

0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:50.960
<v Speaker 2>got and they don't. So because he demanded they keep

0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:54.160
<v Speaker 2>his secret safe lifestyle. I got to keep my super

0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:56.640
<v Speaker 2>spy guy's secret safe. And he's like, shuah, no problem.

0:43:57.239 --> 0:43:59.880
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, the cover story works for this decade, these

0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:02.239
<v Speaker 2>you're rich women keep buying this guy guns. He gets

0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:04.040
<v Speaker 2>up to twelve hundred guns, and however many are in

0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:07.080
<v Speaker 2>the storage units. And uh, you know. Also, by the way,

0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:09.720
<v Speaker 2>I found out, Jeffrey all and Lash had no money

0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:12.080
<v Speaker 2>of his own. Of course, he did not inherit money

0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:15.640
<v Speaker 2>from his microbiologist father. He had a cult leader's ability

0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:18.800
<v Speaker 2>to convince these women to pay for his dreams. Wow.

0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:21.080
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, not only did that he collect guns, he

0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:24.359
<v Speaker 2>also was just a collector in general. So when they

0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:26.560
<v Speaker 2>got inside and the police got inside the townhouse, they

0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:30.400
<v Speaker 2>found a collection of fifty thousand DVDs and another sixty

0:44:30.520 --> 0:44:35.480
<v Speaker 2>thousand CDs and figures. So what are his favorites? I

0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:36.200
<v Speaker 2>knew you'd want to know.

0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:39.600
<v Speaker 1>I'd like to do it. Point break, No, did not

0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:41.640
<v Speaker 1>have did you know that? Point Break came out in

0:44:41.680 --> 0:44:42.399
<v Speaker 1>nineteen aety one.

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for telling me that, I'd like to keep

0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:47.040
<v Speaker 2>that at the four of my mind. So apparently he

0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:52.160
<v Speaker 2>was really into early two thousands justin Timberlake. He was

0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:56.799
<v Speaker 2>very glad when Justin brought the Sexy back. Oh my god, yeah,

0:44:56.840 --> 0:44:59.240
<v Speaker 2>because it fits with this guy, because on his bookshelf

0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:02.759
<v Speaker 2>for all these books by pickup artists, he's that guy.

0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:06.239
<v Speaker 2>So he'd use psychological war games against these women all

0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:09.120
<v Speaker 2>his life, basically conning them into aiding his obsessions.

0:45:09.160 --> 0:45:11.640
<v Speaker 1>He didn't think it was weird. It like he had

0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:12.480
<v Speaker 1>all these books.

0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:15.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, apparently they weren't looking at his bookshelf so they

0:45:15.800 --> 0:45:18.280
<v Speaker 2>didn't notice. He was like this amateur pimp trying to

0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 2>buy an arsenal with their money. And then one day,

0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:24.600
<v Speaker 2>obviously he died. So that's when all this like the

0:45:24.640 --> 0:45:28.160
<v Speaker 2>cult leader like hold he has on them, it comes apart, right,

0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:30.479
<v Speaker 2>But he'd prepared them for the moment of his death.

0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:33.080
<v Speaker 2>So when he died, Catherine Debron Gorn as I told you,

0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:35.880
<v Speaker 2>she wrapped his body and blankets, hauled his dead body

0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:37.919
<v Speaker 2>into the suv where she loaded it down with bags

0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:40.200
<v Speaker 2>of dry eyes. Then she grabbed Don Marie and they

0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:43.920
<v Speaker 2>cut right. No secret blacks off. Super Spy agency comes

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:46.719
<v Speaker 2>to retrieve the body. So, now faced with the reality

0:45:46.760 --> 0:45:49.560
<v Speaker 2>of his rotting Corpselebron Goron has to call her lawyer

0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:51.160
<v Speaker 2>when she gets back and she's like, can you make

0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:53.880
<v Speaker 2>this go away? Meanwhile, she goes and she hides her

0:45:53.920 --> 0:45:56.400
<v Speaker 2>assistant who did know too much and she was worried

0:45:56.400 --> 0:45:58.680
<v Speaker 2>that she may talk not about super spy guy's secrets,

0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:01.359
<v Speaker 2>shape shifting aliens. She just knew too much about what

0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:04.160
<v Speaker 2>was going down in this condo. Yeah, like, oh, she's

0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:04.920
<v Speaker 2>a liability.

0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:09.960
<v Speaker 1>So he told her that he he says to the Catherine,

0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:14.560
<v Speaker 1>when I die, that is the most agent of chaos

0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:16.239
<v Speaker 1>move and I love it.

0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:18.760
<v Speaker 2>I thought that'd be going in your will, some weird

0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:21.920
<v Speaker 2>thing you've got to do, like it involves chemistry and

0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:22.640
<v Speaker 2>like blankets.

0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:25.600
<v Speaker 1>It's body in an suv and the Feds will come

0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:32.400
<v Speaker 1>get it. One last, last, one, last agent of chaos moment.

0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:36.640
<v Speaker 2>So the La County Coroner's office, right, they eventually release

0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:39.920
<v Speaker 2>autopsy report. Okay, yeah, and as if they wanted to

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:43.480
<v Speaker 2>keep the flames of conspiracy theories going, no cause of

0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:46.759
<v Speaker 2>death was listed. Oh interesting, And also they did not

0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:49.520
<v Speaker 2>list if he was a half alien human hybrid or not.

0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:52.279
<v Speaker 2>They didn't clear that up, so yeah, but there you

0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:55.840
<v Speaker 2>have it. So Jeffrey Allen lash he's this charming, delusional,

0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:59.400
<v Speaker 2>exploitative con man who convinces people he was an alien superspy.

0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Some how, this cover story works for more than a

0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:04.319
<v Speaker 2>decade to afford him one of the nicest lives I've

0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:05.759
<v Speaker 2>heard about in a long time, and one of the

0:47:05.800 --> 0:47:08.200
<v Speaker 2>most expensive places to live in the world. He got

0:47:08.200 --> 0:47:10.719
<v Speaker 2>to entertain his obsessions, he got to go and like

0:47:10.760 --> 0:47:13.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, eat well, he got out, had a lot

0:47:13.080 --> 0:47:15.440
<v Speaker 2>of love being thrown at him. He was just bumping

0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:17.120
<v Speaker 2>some justin Timberlake whenever.

0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:17.920
<v Speaker 1>He wanted feeling it.

0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:21.360
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, all these people, they somehow decided to express

0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:23.520
<v Speaker 2>their love for each other in guns, which.

0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Is just yea, that is weird to me.

0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:27.160
<v Speaker 2>Think they're all like, I love you, here's money for

0:47:27.200 --> 0:47:29.520
<v Speaker 2>a gun. Oh, I love you, Thank you for the gun.

0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:32.600
<v Speaker 2>So in the end, Elizabeth, there's really not much mystery

0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:35.280
<v Speaker 2>to this one. It's one of the most terrestrial stories

0:47:35.320 --> 0:47:39.000
<v Speaker 2>you'll ever hear. Yeah, man emotionally manipulates others to pay

0:47:39.000 --> 0:47:41.839
<v Speaker 2>for his paranoia and arm himself for a war that

0:47:41.920 --> 0:47:44.560
<v Speaker 2>never comes. It's about a human of a story you

0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:48.319
<v Speaker 2>ever hear. So it's a ridiculous takeaway here, Elizabeth, oh Man.

0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:51.640
<v Speaker 1>I think that, you know, sometimes we find ourselves in

0:47:51.680 --> 0:47:55.200
<v Speaker 1>situations and you're so deep into it that you can't

0:47:55.480 --> 0:47:58.799
<v Speaker 1>see how preposterous things yes, And then it's like if

0:47:58.840 --> 0:48:01.680
<v Speaker 1>you tell someone actually, hear the words coming out of

0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:03.839
<v Speaker 1>your mouth, not that I've ever been in that such

0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:06.680
<v Speaker 1>hear the words coming out of your mouth, and you're

0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:09.320
<v Speaker 1>like each word, You're like, oh my god.

0:48:09.120 --> 0:48:09.959
<v Speaker 2>Okay, now I hear.

0:48:09.880 --> 0:48:13.160
<v Speaker 1>It, now I hear it. Now. Yeah. So I you know,

0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:15.680
<v Speaker 1>I we we look at these ladies and we're like,

0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:17.879
<v Speaker 1>what in the you know? But like, I mean, this

0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:21.360
<v Speaker 1>is a severe case of it. And I feel like

0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:23.400
<v Speaker 1>they heard it out loud and still were like, yep,

0:48:24.640 --> 0:48:25.680
<v Speaker 1>a lizard.

0:48:25.280 --> 0:48:27.439
<v Speaker 2>Boyfriend, gotta keep a secret, keep it safe.

0:48:27.640 --> 0:48:29.160
<v Speaker 1>Aaron, what's ridiculous takeaway?

0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh Man? Let me just luxuriate in this moment, right.

0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:33.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't have one, Okay, so there you go, makes sense. Yeah,

0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:36.440
<v Speaker 2>actually I do have one, tiny one, yeah, which is

0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:40.120
<v Speaker 2>like I think that, uh, money is a really interesting

0:48:40.160 --> 0:48:42.280
<v Speaker 2>thing because you give it to people and they rarely

0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:45.040
<v Speaker 2>seem to do anything to help themselves or make the

0:48:45.080 --> 0:48:47.799
<v Speaker 2>world better. They just do weird stuff, and they do

0:48:48.239 --> 0:48:51.400
<v Speaker 2>controlling things, and they do like, oh, wish fulfillment. Like

0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:52.759
<v Speaker 2>when I was a kid, I never could have this.

0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:54.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go get this. But it's never like, hey,

0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:56.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go help these people. I mean, like, I

0:48:56.520 --> 0:48:57.960
<v Speaker 2>know there are people who are like that, but they

0:48:57.960 --> 0:48:59.640
<v Speaker 2>don't tend to be the ones who get the money.

0:48:59.640 --> 0:49:01.719
<v Speaker 2>It's the these people who are like, I'm gonna get money.

0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:02.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what'd you do with it? I bought a

0:49:02.880 --> 0:49:03.399
<v Speaker 2>bunch of guns.

0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:06.600
<v Speaker 1>I never used well that it was a twelve hundred guns.

0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:07.840
<v Speaker 1>You're not on.

0:49:07.840 --> 0:49:10.239
<v Speaker 2>Fire all them. You probably didn't touch all of them.

0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:13.120
<v Speaker 1>No, And it's like it's not for I mean maybe

0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:14.520
<v Speaker 1>one is for home.

0:49:14.280 --> 0:49:16.640
<v Speaker 2>Protection too, Yeah, you only have two hands.

0:49:16.640 --> 0:49:19.719
<v Speaker 1>But the rest it's like, what are you what? Yeah, yeah,

0:49:19.760 --> 0:49:21.480
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's it's a collector.

0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:23.959
<v Speaker 2>Thirty mm I got an invader. No, that's a thirty

0:49:24.480 --> 0:49:24.920
<v Speaker 2>And I've.

0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:28.239
<v Speaker 1>Said I don't understand collector mindset, and but at the

0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:30.440
<v Speaker 1>same and like I can get like if you have

0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:34.120
<v Speaker 1>a couple things, sure, but twelve hundred of anything. I

0:49:34.160 --> 0:49:36.160
<v Speaker 1>don't care if it's guns, anything.

0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Anything that's not rice. I'm like, dude, you got a problem.

0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:41.160
<v Speaker 1>That's well.

0:49:41.160 --> 0:49:44.200
<v Speaker 2>As always, we appreciate you listening to us, But before

0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:46.239
<v Speaker 2>we go, should we do a talkback? Elizabeth?

0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes? Please?

0:49:46.880 --> 0:49:48.840
<v Speaker 2>All right, pretty you can hit us up with the talkback.

0:49:51.120 --> 0:49:58.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I w.

0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:02.400
<v Speaker 1>What's up?

0:50:02.400 --> 0:50:05.880
<v Speaker 5>Elizabeth Zaren and producer d. This is Caitlin from Madison, Wisconsin.

0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:09.800
<v Speaker 5>I just heard you mentioned the pickle witch at Jimmy

0:50:09.880 --> 0:50:11.839
<v Speaker 5>Jones and I had to stop what I was doing

0:50:11.840 --> 0:50:15.040
<v Speaker 5>and go get one. My first observation is it is

0:50:15.280 --> 0:50:19.160
<v Speaker 5>cold to the touch, as you might imagine. It's a

0:50:19.160 --> 0:50:22.000
<v Speaker 5>pickle on the outside instead of bread. I'm about to

0:50:22.000 --> 0:50:25.959
<v Speaker 5>try it and I'll let you know how it is. Hey, guys,

0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:30.120
<v Speaker 5>it's Kaitlin testing the pickle Witch Part two. It is

0:50:30.160 --> 0:50:32.799
<v Speaker 5>as you might expect, very juicy. I now have pickle

0:50:32.840 --> 0:50:37.120
<v Speaker 5>juice all over my jeans. But it's not about alternative.

0:50:37.160 --> 0:50:39.960
<v Speaker 5>If you don't want bread, why not have a pickle

0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:42.920
<v Speaker 5>instead of lettuce? It was quite tasty. I must say

0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:45.640
<v Speaker 5>I liked it. Thanks for the show. Love listening to

0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:49.480
<v Speaker 5>you guys. Hope you're doing great. Love from the Midwest.

0:50:49.800 --> 0:50:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Bye, Hey, Caitlin, come on now, you're amazing.

0:50:53.680 --> 0:50:57.279
<v Speaker 2>That great taking one for the team seriously.

0:50:56.840 --> 0:50:59.839
<v Speaker 1>And I love that. It's like cold and damp, but

0:51:00.400 --> 0:51:04.759
<v Speaker 1>it is. It is a curious tempted.

0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:07.799
<v Speaker 2>I would try one. Probably have to not have pickle

0:51:07.880 --> 0:51:09.839
<v Speaker 2>juice on my jeans because that'd be a bit weird

0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:10.080
<v Speaker 2>for me.

0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:11.240
<v Speaker 1>He's such a trooper.

0:51:11.719 --> 0:51:12.160
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate.

0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:14.080
<v Speaker 1>It's amazing and I love her well.

0:51:14.120 --> 0:51:16.839
<v Speaker 2>As always, you can find us online at Ridiculous Crime

0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:19.320
<v Speaker 2>on the social media's and now we're on blue Sky,

0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:22.120
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0:51:22.120 --> 0:51:24.959
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0:51:25.000 --> 0:51:27.160
<v Speaker 2>if you need something to hold your hot beverages or

0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:30.200
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