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Speaker 2: Elizabeth. How you doing, Zaren?
Speaker 1: I'm great? Really, Oh I've I've never felt better.
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Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Oh God, this is gonna be bad, isn't it?
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Speaker 1: Usually you brush your teeth to get the dill pickle
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Speaker 1: So that's it. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Picklemongers use vanilla to wash their hands to get the
Speaker 2: smell off their hands. He said, like, what if you
Speaker 2: put it in your mouth and then just like breathe on.
Speaker 1: It walked around all day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a bit. That's ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: I'm giving you that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2: You got a second. I got one for you.
Speaker 1: I got all the time in the world.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you remember how I used to be a journalist.
Speaker 1: I do remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not the ridiculous part, but.
Speaker 1: That it was kind of ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I was telling somebody about the state of the industry
Speaker 2: the other day. Use flash, it's bad.
Speaker 1: It's terrible.
Speaker 2: So anyway, we got to talking and he reminded me
Speaker 2: about a story I did a while back. I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's right. That's one of my favorite stories I recovered, right,
Speaker 2: and so I was like, ah, I should tell Elizabeth
Speaker 2: that story. It's about this guy who died in La right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well I lived down there, right and his dad did
Speaker 2: you do it?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I did not do that one. His death unleashed this
Speaker 2: super strange mystery that gripped LA for a while. The
Speaker 2: thing was, Elizabeth. When this dude died, his body was
Speaker 2: left in an suv oh yeah, and the reason why
Speaker 2: his dead body was left in the suv was for
Speaker 2: the CIA or some other super spy organization to come
Speaker 2: and retrieve his dead body. Oh yeah. The problem was
Speaker 2: they never showed up, so his body stayed there for weeks,
Speaker 2: right up until the LAPD discovered him. And that's when
Speaker 2: things got super weird. Okay, you see, Elizabeth, Allegedly this
Speaker 2: dead guy was a shape shifting half alien, half human
Speaker 2: hybrid who was secretly a super spy guy for the
Speaker 2: US government. Yeah. Like I said, this story is all
Speaker 2: kinds of while this is ridiculous crime A podcast about.
Speaker 4: Absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons, it's always ninety
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Speaker 2: Oh Elizabeth, oh zaren? Do you like stories about aliens,
Speaker 2: UFOs and UAPs which is what they call them now
Speaker 2: and all that kinds of freaky show?
Speaker 1: Or why not? You do I like anything weird? You know?
Speaker 2: When I was doing my research on this one, I
Speaker 2: was surprised to learn that your favorite band, the Decembrists,
Speaker 2: have never recorded a song about aliens.
Speaker 1: That is kind of well, if aliens drowned, they would.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd assumed they'd have a song about it, like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, a charming summertime encounter with an alien
Speaker 2: spacecraft while standing outside of philatalist convention and while conversing
Speaker 2: with a color blind butterfly collector.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, are they listening?
Speaker 2: The lyrics are there?
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 2: My point is, I think they could make a hell
Speaker 2: of a song out of this story in particular, So
Speaker 2: pay attention. Anyway, enough hype, let's let the good times
Speaker 2: roll was bit. This story begins with a woman named
Speaker 2: Catherine and Lebron Goren who comes home and finds her
Speaker 2: fiance's dead body in the suv right where she left it. Oh,
Speaker 2: just so you know, she didn't kill it, Okay, In
Speaker 2: this story, the guy died of natural causes.
Speaker 1: Just like behind the wheel of an suv.
Speaker 2: No, she put him there, oh boy? Yeah? So anyway,
Speaker 2: he was not supposed to be in the suv when
Speaker 2: she got back, because it had been like two weeks
Speaker 2: since Catherine left her fiance's body in the suv and
Speaker 2: it's summertime in La. She left him covered in bags
Speaker 2: of dry ice, but those had melted long ago in
Speaker 2: the summertime sun, so now she comes back to this
Speaker 2: mummified body in the suv, wrapped up in blankets.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I don't mean to be gross, but
Speaker 1: mumified are like bloated out.
Speaker 2: I think at this point we're getting into the mummification period.
Speaker 2: I think the gas is pretty much leaked out, but
Speaker 2: I know it's smell crazy in there, right. So his fiance,
Speaker 2: Catherine lebron Goren, she gets over her shock at seeing
Speaker 2: him still there because you see, Elizabeth this she expected,
Speaker 2: as he said, some super secret government agency to come
Speaker 2: and collect his body. So you know, as far as
Speaker 2: she knows, he's half alien, half human hybrid superspy guy.
Speaker 2: So she's like, now, come on, come get your guy.
Speaker 2: So she's like, when she sees they didn't do that,
Speaker 2: she phones her lawyer, right, so maybe he'll know what
Speaker 2: to do with this dead super spy guy. So he
Speaker 2: listens to his client's story and he's like, I should
Speaker 2: probably charge her more. And then he's like, okay, look,
Speaker 2: look I'll handle this. So he hangs up with her.
Speaker 2: He calls the LAPD and he tells them, you know,
Speaker 2: I got a dead body you can find. I can
Speaker 2: tell you right where to find it. Yeah, what for real, Like,
Speaker 2: how do you know where this dead body is? Sir? Well,
Speaker 2: he's like, look, look, it's my client's fiance and she
Speaker 2: says she left his body in the suv. So that's
Speaker 2: some super secret spy agency. He could come and claim
Speaker 2: his body, just as he had instructed her to do.
Speaker 2: So really, it's on him. The ALAPD is like, is
Speaker 2: the suv parked on a city street? The lawyer has
Speaker 2: to be admit, yeah about that? What if it is?
Speaker 2: So the LAPD sent some cops out to find this
Speaker 2: dead body in the suv park on a city street. No,
Speaker 2: turns out it's parked, not like in downtown La or
Speaker 2: it can skid row or someplace where people like leave
Speaker 2: things to be forgotten. No, the suv is parked in
Speaker 2: Pacific Palisades. Oh, which, if you don't know, it's this
Speaker 2: rich little neighborhood. I'm on a bluff above the Pacific
Speaker 2: Ocean between Santa Monica and Malibu.
Speaker 1: So it's like money, money, money, peach boys saying of
Speaker 1: it exactly.
Speaker 2: So anyway, this story erupts as soon as LAPD got
Speaker 2: to get the body. The next day, the newspaper headlines
Speaker 2: are announcing in bold typeset, twelve hundred guns, two hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty thousand dollars in cash. Dead body found in
Speaker 2: suv left to rot for weeks parked on the street
Speaker 2: in wealthy La neighborhood. People were like, what is going
Speaker 2: on with this story? So it turns out the dead
Speaker 2: body just the beginning of this mystery the LAPD. They
Speaker 2: are shocked when they find that. They track the dead
Speaker 2: body back to a condo. The alleged half alien human
Speaker 2: hybrid super spy guy was keeping the aforementioned arsenal of
Speaker 2: twelve hundred guns inside, yes, of a booby trapped condo.
Speaker 2: So when the police go in, there's like, you know,
Speaker 2: crossbow bolt samed at the door, you know, IEDs in
Speaker 2: the bathroom. Right, So they're like, oh no, right, and
Speaker 2: so the the twelve hundred guns. By the way, that's
Speaker 2: worth approximately five million dollars, right, this is like so serious, cat.
Speaker 1: That takes up a lot of LOTO.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yeah, a longer room for twelve hundred guns.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So anyway, soon enough rumors start to swirl together with fact,
Speaker 2: and the news story started reporting on all the guns
Speaker 2: this guy has, and then they start talking about the
Speaker 2: alien talk. Then that creeps into the news and the
Speaker 2: black Ops agency talk, and that all comes into the
Speaker 2: second wave of stories. Right now, the lawyer for Catherine
Speaker 2: lebron Gorn, he helped all this along because he's the
Speaker 2: guy who called the LAPD, right, So he tells reporters
Speaker 2: when they come calling on him, He's like, look, this
Speaker 2: guy could have been working for anyone. Oh yes, So
Speaker 2: that proporter's like, what what do you mean? Right, So
Speaker 2: he also the reporter they find out from the lawyer.
Speaker 2: He added that his client was told by the mysterious
Speaker 2: dead man that he had multiple storage units all around
Speaker 2: the LA area, right, and inside of those were probably
Speaker 2: more guns. But not just more guns, but also bulletproof
Speaker 2: super spy guy SUVs and an amphibious assault vehicle for
Speaker 2: his black ops missions. He's got like James Bond like
Speaker 2: garages around all.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So at this point the half alien human hybrid super
Speaker 2: spy guys talks starts really cooking, right because reporters find
Speaker 2: the mother of a missing woman who's involved in this story.
Speaker 2: The missing woman her name is don Marie vad Bunker
Speaker 2: will get into her in a little bit. She's the
Speaker 2: assistant of Catherine de Broun. Goren. Okay, the fiance, the
Speaker 2: mysterious dead guy.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Catherine's rich, right, She's this daughter of a
Speaker 2: guy who built a real estate empire and fortune in
Speaker 2: La back in the day, and she now just coasts
Speaker 2: on that largesse.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's how she can have an assistant and a
Speaker 2: half alien human hybrid. You know, she can afford it.
Speaker 1: That's just that's the hottest successor.
Speaker 2: You kidding me? So the assistant she goes missing, right,
Speaker 2: and her mother grows worried. So she inserts herself into
Speaker 2: this narrative by contact or the press contacts her. She
Speaker 2: contacts the press. I do not know, but she does interviews,
Speaker 2: and she claims that her daughter told her. She's terrified
Speaker 2: of what's going on because you know, her boss's boyfriend
Speaker 2: is an alien, so she's scary. Yeah right, so you
Speaker 2: know it's specifically Elizabeth. He is a reptilian shape shifter.
Speaker 1: That's really hard to hear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, especially for a mother and her boss. Catherine
Speaker 2: was also an alien according to Don Marie.
Speaker 1: Oh really terrifying totally.
Speaker 2: She's from some distant watery planet. Yeah. But not only that,
Speaker 2: but the assistant, Dawn Marie told her mom that she
Speaker 2: saw the mystery dead guy shape shift into his reptilian form.
Speaker 2: She said she saw she saw it with her own
Speaker 2: two eyes, Elizabeth. Wow, yeah, did you see that there
Speaker 2: were congressional hearings on Capitol Hill this past week about
Speaker 2: UAPSE aka UFOs. I saw headlines but okay, well the
Speaker 2: news flash the leading experts say aliens are real, and
Speaker 2: that we've recovered spaceships and so have other countries around
Speaker 2: the world, and there are possibly biologics, which means recovered bodies. Wait, yes,
Speaker 2: your thoughts.
Speaker 1: This should be like headlines. The headlines are crowded.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit right now. Wow yeah, so all
Speaker 2: this UFO stuff gets admitted, right, and so you'd think
Speaker 2: this normal alien talk would be like, oh, big news,
Speaker 2: as you said, right, Yeah, back then it was big
Speaker 2: news because this was like speculation. So people are going
Speaker 2: now that we have facts, we're like, God's boring.
Speaker 1: I kind of judge everything by do I get a
Speaker 1: BBC breaking news ort and I didn't get an alien?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why. Apparently they're waiting for like
Speaker 2: an actual body. They're like, show them, give me the
Speaker 2: body where I can put my finger in it. So anyway,
Speaker 2: do you know about reptilians, Like, I'm just kind of
Speaker 2: breeze past that you know about David I and the
Speaker 2: say that.
Speaker 1: Cat Yeah yeah yeah. And it's also like it's totally
Speaker 1: anti Semitic, oh yeah, and racist in a lot of senses. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's it feels to me like a very nineties
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory, very Adbusters. Oh yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So David IKI, for those who don't know, is a
Speaker 2: brit and he published books, and one of his books
Speaker 2: is about vampiric blood drinking aliens who are humanoid reptilian
Speaker 2: looking creatures and they can obviously shape shift, because who
Speaker 2: wants to look like a reptile? So these lizard people,
Speaker 2: as they get called, Yeah, he says that Queen Elizabeth
Speaker 2: was one of them. Also most of the British royal
Speaker 2: family sure, yeah. And then that means also the Bush
Speaker 2: family because they're related. So he says, George W. Bush,
Speaker 2: and I assume his father, George H. W. Bush, all reptilians.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: So these lizard people they're from apparently the Alpha Draconis
Speaker 2: solar system, and they are here on Earth and they
Speaker 2: live in subterranean bases waiting to take over.
Speaker 1: I've never been there, but I hear it's beauediful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great sunsets. So this guy David Ikey, right, he
Speaker 2: didn't come up with this idea on his own. The
Speaker 2: idea had been around for a while, and most folks
Speaker 2: they trace it back to the writer of the Conan,
Speaker 2: the Barbarian fictional universe. Yeah, Robert E. Howard, And he
Speaker 2: had a story called Shadow Kingdom, and in that story
Speaker 2: he's got shape shifting serpent headed snake men. And then
Speaker 2: you know, fast forward a few decades and you get
Speaker 2: now online videos of people trying to prove that Beyonce
Speaker 2: and Miley Cyrus are lizards. So thank you Robert E. Howard. Anyway,
Speaker 2: not long after hearing about some of these shape shifting
Speaker 2: reptilian alien talk from her daughter don Marie, the daughter
Speaker 2: goes missing. So the mother's like, the alien's got my baby.
Speaker 2: Then weeks later, her mother receives a handwritten letter from
Speaker 2: her daughter. She's fine, Elizabeth, and the postmark is from Sacramento.
Speaker 2: That's kind of weird because she's from LA. They're like, well,
Speaker 2: what's up with that? Moving on, Yeah, her mother's like, uh, well,
Speaker 2: I'm glad I heard from her and then she never
Speaker 2: hears from her again. Hmm.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But anyway, thanks for her mother's concern and adventually, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's legitimately troubling, oh totally, but thanks for a mother's
Speaker 2: concern and her coming forward to the press and also
Speaker 2: filing a miss persons report. Some police action takes place
Speaker 2: on this story.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, A little while later, the police up in Oregon
Speaker 2: contact the mother and they inform her they just they
Speaker 2: found don Marie. She's no longer missing. Don't have to
Speaker 2: worry about her. Yeah, she was just walking around in
Speaker 2: a motel parking lot after dark by herself, late at night,
Speaker 2: and the cops recognized her from the missing person's bulletin
Speaker 2: they've been put out, so they pulled over. They spoke
Speaker 2: with her outside the motel parking lot and they told
Speaker 2: her and about her mother filing the report. She's like, oh,
Speaker 2: tell my mom, I'm fine. And also, by the way,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of a strange from her, so don't tell
Speaker 2: her where I am, but tell her I'm fine. I'm
Speaker 2: clearly not missing. So they do that, okay, and then
Speaker 2: she disappeared again.
Speaker 1: Kind of sounds like last through this.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, I'm telling you this story, like you keep thinking, oh,
Speaker 2: I got my hands on it, and then it shape
Speaker 2: shifts away, Lizzie. So as more early news stories come out,
Speaker 2: reporters find that the mystery dead guy, he's this creature
Speaker 2: of habit, right, they start asking people who did you
Speaker 2: know him? Did you know him? They talk to neighbors,
Speaker 2: They find some waiters who come forward and they tell
Speaker 2: the reporters about this mystery dead man. He would always
Speaker 2: come to their restaurant, and of course he'd always eat
Speaker 2: the same thing. He ordered raw filet mignon raw, don't
Speaker 2: even put a match under it. He told the waiters
Speaker 2: how he liked to eat that because he believed it
Speaker 2: was vitally important to eat bloody cuts of red meat.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So he's like a quoto dragon.
Speaker 2: Basically, I remember vampiric blood drinkers. So anyway, occasionally he
Speaker 2: would mix this up. He'd also order a raw buffalo steak,
Speaker 2: so when he wanted to mix it up, boom. But
Speaker 2: he liked the red meat anyway. Raw red meat is
Speaker 2: part of a growing theory online that this mystery dead
Speaker 2: guy was indeed a half alien half human hybrid, because
Speaker 2: that's the only explanation right, of course, probably part reptilian.
Speaker 2: So keeping score, what do we have going so far?
Speaker 2: We have an eccentric gun collector. We have a secret
Speaker 2: arsenal big enough to invade Cuba. We have a rich
Speaker 2: fiance who is the heiress of a real estate fortune
Speaker 2: in La. She has an assistant who told her mother
Speaker 2: that her boss and her boss's fiance are both aliens,
Speaker 2: and that she's personally seen it that her boss is
Speaker 2: a shape shifting reptilian. We also have a super spy
Speaker 2: guy doing black ops missions for a secret government agency
Speaker 2: we've yet to name check that maybe possibly part of
Speaker 2: inter cosmic warfare. Of course, you're falling along so far.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, but I haven't told you this guy's
Speaker 2: name yet. His neighbors they nicknamed him Skinny Bob. His
Speaker 2: government name was Jeffrey Allen.
Speaker 1: Lash Jeffrey Allen is Skinny Bob. That's like, that's totally
Speaker 1: like a nickname I would have for a neighbor or
Speaker 1: a dog. Well, yeah, but I mean, like, you know,
Speaker 1: you have your neighbors.
Speaker 2: That you know their name an Cavamack references.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Well, Elizabeth.
Speaker 2: When I first started covering the story, this Dudejeffrey Allen Lash,
Speaker 2: was a John Doe in the La County Morgue. Right,
Speaker 2: they've been there for six weeks. No autopsy results were released,
Speaker 2: which was odd. Yeah, and uh naturally obviously that helped
Speaker 2: fan the flames of online theories. And this mystery dead
Speaker 2: guy was, you know, indeed, shape shifting half human, half
Speaker 2: alien hybrid super spy guy. Right. Because the lapd kept
Speaker 2: stalling and saying, oh, we need a little more time,
Speaker 2: people were like, they're trying to get together their cover up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, cause of death, excessive raw red meat.
Speaker 2: So let's take a little break, okay, And after these
Speaker 2: cozy commercial breaks, I queued up just for you, I'll
Speaker 2: introduce you to Jeffrey Allen Lash, the man, and we'll
Speaker 2: solve this super weird mystery together.
Speaker 3: Nice, Elizabeth, we're back, sarn.
Speaker 2: Okay, how you doing.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I was checking online forums for this story when I
Speaker 2: was doing my research.
Speaker 1: I love online form oh the best, just.
Speaker 2: The collection of opinions. I found this guy, Jeffrey Allen Lash.
Speaker 2: He had a father, obviously, because a lot of people do,
Speaker 2: and his father was quite an interesting fellow. Elizabeth. We
Speaker 2: talked about the occult scene in and around LA in
Speaker 2: the forties and early fifties. The scenes kind of ties
Speaker 2: together a very interesting mix. You got Hollywood folks and
Speaker 2: then like there's also physicists and scientists from the Jet
Speaker 2: Propulsion Lab in Baceadena. Then he got your amateur occultists
Speaker 2: in the vein of like Aleister Crowley and Anton Levy
Speaker 2: and they're hanging around with like a young l ron
Speaker 2: Hubbard in his pre scientology days. And then you throw
Speaker 2: in like Ronald and Nancy Reagan who come into the
Speaker 2: scene because they're into the occult and alleged sex and
Speaker 2: drug parties. It's a wild bit, right. Jeffrey Allen Lash's
Speaker 2: father all up in that scene.
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, his dad.
Speaker 2: He was certainly an odd fellow, right, So he's super secretive. Also,
Speaker 2: he's a scientist, a microbiologist. He founds his own lab,
Speaker 2: which he was the lab director for like thirty years,
Speaker 2: so he's good at it now. Around the time young
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Allen Lash was born or made or hatched or
Speaker 2: whatever he was, his father was working with a pioneer
Speaker 2: in gender affirming surgery. At the time. This guy was
Speaker 2: known as a back alley sex change surgeon.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his name is doctor Elmer Belt and he's huge
Speaker 2: with like UCLA medicine. But he was also considered the
Speaker 2: first person to perform the gender affirming surgery in the
Speaker 2: United States.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So his father's association with doctor Belt is also
Speaker 2: what gives some folks online the asked to keep cooking
Speaker 2: on their conspiracy theory with the mystery dead Guy's father
Speaker 2: in the back alley sex change surgeon work together on
Speaker 2: a secret plan to create a half alien, half human
Speaker 2: hybrid and then raised him to be a super spy guy.
Speaker 2: So anyway, in this confusing first weeks when everybody's trying
Speaker 2: to sort fact from fiction, there was one man who
Speaker 2: came forward and he said, I knew Jeffrey Allen lash right.
Speaker 2: I knew him over the years, and I watched him change.
Speaker 2: The man was a local AM radio reporter. I love
Speaker 2: that the station kf I AM in LA. His name
Speaker 2: is Eric Leonard, and since he'd personally known the mystery
Speaker 2: dead guy all that's all over the local news, he
Speaker 2: agreed to sit down for an exclusive interview with his
Speaker 2: own station. So Leonard said he'd want to set the
Speaker 2: record straight, right, so.
Speaker 1: He gets interview himself.
Speaker 2: No, we actually going did talk to people, but that'd
Speaker 2: be great. He's just turning his head, So Eric Leonard
Speaker 2: says on air, and I quote, part of my job
Speaker 2: is to know lots of unusual people, and in those
Speaker 2: travels I wound up crossing paths with this guy. So
Speaker 2: then he gets into how he knows him. He goes
Speaker 2: over what he recalls of Jeffrey Allen Lash. Acording to Leonard,
Speaker 2: Lash was a very interesting character when I first ran
Speaker 2: across about fifteen years ago. He was a very wealthy
Speaker 2: person who was extremely secretive about everything in his personal life.
Speaker 2: He didn't want people he meant to even know his name.
Speaker 2: He was paranoid, clearly, and that paranoia got worse over
Speaker 2: the years. He thought he would become the target of
Speaker 2: outside evil forces. He wanted to take his things, steal
Speaker 2: his money, get ahold of his gun collection, which was
Speaker 2: really one of his prize possessions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you get a little sense of this guy paranoid,
Speaker 2: doesn't like seeking wealthy anyway. Leonard says he learned about
Speaker 2: Lash's health troubles and quote, it appears that he told
Speaker 2: friends and others that he had als, but it may
Speaker 2: have been something else. He knew maybe two years ago
Speaker 2: that he was going to suffer a horrible death, and
Speaker 2: he'd begun planning for that, and he was living his
Speaker 2: life in a way that everybody would find highly unusual.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So yeah, in this reporter's estimation, could this man he
Speaker 2: knew be the shape shifting, half alien human hybrid black
Speaker 2: ops superspy guy everyone's talking about. Leonard unsurprisingly had his doubts.
Speaker 2: The best of my knowledge, and from the few interactions
Speaker 2: I had with him, and certainly from the stories that
Speaker 2: people who knew him much better than me, they told
Speaker 2: me he was a kind of a harmless kook. He
Speaker 2: was somebody who was very well off, and if he
Speaker 2: didn't have money and means, he probably would have been
Speaker 2: treated by society very very differently.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can be weird as all get out.
Speaker 1: Oh you got enough money?
Speaker 2: The British eccentrics showed us the way.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Now this raises the question, was last just playing at
Speaker 2: being a super spy guy because he had money? Or
Speaker 2: if so, why would he want people to think he
Speaker 2: was a reptilian? That doesn't quite jive? And was he
Speaker 2: actually wealthy? Was even that true. Ye, back to Leonard,
Speaker 2: he'd never worked today. As far as I knew, the
Speaker 2: money came from his father's side. He had a mother
Speaker 2: and father, they're both deceased. He has no relatives anywhere,
Speaker 2: no brothers, no sisters. He was the end of the line.
Speaker 2: He was the sole recipient of his family's wealth. But
Speaker 2: he was extremely evasive about where that came from. But
Speaker 2: the best I've been able to deduce his father worked
Speaker 2: in science and had patents that were licensed and were
Speaker 2: involved in some very very heavily used pharmaceuticals, and the
Speaker 2: royalties from that came in the millions, millions of millions
Speaker 2: of dollars. When I first met him, he was receiving
Speaker 2: a disbursement from the family trust somewhere in the neighborhood,
Speaker 2: and this is an educated guest, somewhere in the neighborhood
Speaker 2: of thirty or forty thousand dollars a week a week, yes,
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty month, Yeah, one hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: dollars a month. Yet, depending on which one you guess.
Speaker 1: What pharmaceutical money.
Speaker 2: Yeah. How much trouble with that theory is that microbiologists
Speaker 2: rarely patent anything.
Speaker 1: You don't know, not anything that's worth.
Speaker 2: A fortune, and his father was just that. So was
Speaker 2: this any of this true? Right? Well, let's just get
Speaker 2: past all that, because Leonard doesn't know the answer to that.
Speaker 2: Does he Was this guy a super spy guy or not? Leonard?
Speaker 1: Good question.
Speaker 2: So, according to the KFI AM radio reporter, Leonard, from
Speaker 2: everything I know, it's very unlikely, especially because the two
Speaker 2: people I know that know him are the real deal.
Speaker 2: They're involved with actual stuff, with actual agencies, and they
Speaker 2: are very serious individuals. Well, isn't that exactly what they
Speaker 2: would hey, Leonard?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean if they know him and they're both big
Speaker 2: muckety MUCKs and real agencies, they are like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't worry about that.
Speaker 1: I know zero muckety MUCKs and real agencies, and this
Speaker 1: guy's got two exactly.
Speaker 2: And they're both trying to act like there's no story here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, try as he might, Leonard obviously did not help
Speaker 2: put out the flames of online theories. He let them
Speaker 2: burn on. At this point, Elizabeth, I started doing research
Speaker 2: on this story, and I reached out to some folks.
Speaker 2: I did some interviews, and at one point I tracked
Speaker 2: down Don Marie's mother. Okay, and I asked to speak
Speaker 2: with her. I'm like, give me the goods.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, Elizabeth, you thought this story is odd, Here's where
Speaker 2: it takes another turn. No, wa, yeah, I drove up
Speaker 2: to meet her. She lives up like a Inventora County
Speaker 2: and I go and I talked to Laura vad Bunker,
Speaker 2: that's the mother. I asked her about her daughter, and
Speaker 2: she interrupts to tell me that she adopted don Marie
Speaker 2: earlier that year. She adopted a thirty nine year old woman.
Speaker 1: Wait, yeah, you can you do that?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, totally. Can you adopt anybody if you want to?
Speaker 1: You can't?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can. You just have to do the lookout
Speaker 2: where well they have to agree to. But you see,
Speaker 2: don Marie had been dating their son, okay, the bad
Speaker 2: Bunker's son. Yeah, they got married and then the vad
Speaker 2: Bunkers helped the couple to get a house. But not
Speaker 2: long after that, things kind of go south. Her son
Speaker 2: walks out on don Marie. That leads to this terrible
Speaker 2: downward spiral for her. Don Marie then loses the home,
Speaker 2: she loses her car. At some point, the family's like,
Speaker 2: we understand if you want to, like, you know, annull
Speaker 2: the marriage, and so she did. She annulled the marriage
Speaker 2: to their son. But the bad Bunkers were like, but
Speaker 2: we love you, We're not prepared to say goodbye to
Speaker 2: our daughter in law. So they adopted her and they
Speaker 2: dropped the in law part and they just made her
Speaker 2: their daughter, which means she's now her ex husband's legal sister. Yeah. Right,
Speaker 2: So anyway, that was about the same time that don
Speaker 2: Marie got a job working for Catherine Lebron Goren as
Speaker 2: her personal assistant.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, like when you hit a low point
Speaker 1: in life, you've got to go get a job working
Speaker 1: for some like rich.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good call because it'll at least keep
Speaker 2: your life interesting exactly. So at this point she's mostly
Speaker 2: taking care of like processing legal paper work because I
Speaker 2: remember real estate Empire allowed to leave.
Speaker 1: I forgot about the real estate thing. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: she's just in a lot of trouble.
Speaker 2: No, she has lawyers, but you know, anyway, so she's
Speaker 2: going mostly dah. Marie is going through boxes of contracts
Speaker 2: for her boss, Catherine, and at this point she's yet
Speaker 2: to meet her boss's mystery fiance. Then six months before
Speaker 2: he dies, don Marie gets brought inside the circle of trust.
Speaker 2: She meets Jeffrey Allen Lash, although she knows him as
Speaker 2: Bob Skinny Bob. Yeah, he can introduce himself, is he
Speaker 2: I'm Bob oh? I remember, he doesn't want people to
Speaker 2: know his name, not even his fiance's assistant. According to
Speaker 2: our adopted mother, though, this is when don Marie started
Speaker 2: to change lauras she noted that do Marie's diet changed dramatically.
Speaker 2: All she wanted to eat was raw food. She said
Speaker 2: this was a suggestion from Jeffrey Allen Lash. Only eat
Speaker 2: raw meat, anything with blood in it.
Speaker 1: Oh God.
Speaker 2: This is just the start, though, because soon don Marie
Speaker 2: starts talking about how Jeffrey Allen Lash is so important
Speaker 2: in her life, and then also he's secretly a shape
Speaker 2: shifting half alien, half human hybrid. Her adoptive mother starts
Speaker 2: to question some of this weirdness, right, She's like, what's
Speaker 2: going on, Dummer. He's like, I'm healing him, I'm helping
Speaker 2: to save the world. That's the raw meat talking you
Speaker 2: all protein hopped up. So to prove to her adoptive
Speaker 2: mother how special Bob is aka Jeffrey Allen Lash, she
Speaker 2: arranged for Laura to meet him, right, just because I
Speaker 2: forgot to tell you this. Laura is a wreaky healer,
Speaker 2: you know, like lay your hands on people but don't
Speaker 2: actually touch them, and so she's called in. Of course
Speaker 2: heal Bob. All right, So Laura meets him. He's in
Speaker 2: an suv because that's just where he loves to be,
Speaker 2: and he's acting weird as ever. The mother Laura, she
Speaker 2: performs a wreaky healing or Reichy healing on him. She
Speaker 2: told me that she said he was the sickest man
Speaker 2: alive I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: This is so fringes of la, Like you had a
Speaker 1: deck of cards with all the elements of fringe la.
Speaker 1: You started pulling him lagor like the magnet poetry refrigerator exactly.
Speaker 2: They just overturned the box and just started throwing things
Speaker 2: up on the refrigerator. Was like, oh wow, this is
Speaker 2: an amazing story.
Speaker 1: Does Aaron tell this story?
Speaker 2: So at this point, don Marie and her mother they're
Speaker 2: trying to like it's kind of suss out, like is
Speaker 2: he actually a half alien human hybrid super spy and
Speaker 2: so dah Marie told her adoptive mother, who was willing
Speaker 2: to entertain the idea. And I quote, this is Laura
Speaker 2: telling the story about Don Marie. So one day she
Speaker 2: came home very emotional and crying. She said, there's a god.
Speaker 2: There's a god. There's a god. And I said, okay,
Speaker 2: what's going on? And she says, I saw Bob and
Speaker 2: really he has yellow eyes. He's got like a reptilian body.
Speaker 2: And I said, how did this happen? And she tells
Speaker 2: me I saw him in the suv like that, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay. So I started being very careful with
Speaker 2: her mentally and emotionally. I saw major changes in six
Speaker 2: weeks that I could not explain. She was devoted to
Speaker 2: Catherine and Bob. It was like she gave up her
Speaker 2: whole life to.
Speaker 1: Do this six weeks.
Speaker 2: Six weeks.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: So now that she's actually met him and seems somewhat reasonable,
Speaker 2: I had to ask, you know, did Laura think that
Speaker 2: jeffreyon Lash was a half alien half human hybrid? You
Speaker 2: did the wreky on him?
Speaker 1: She saw him in the suv? Was he dead then?
Speaker 2: No, he was a lot more just close to death.
Speaker 1: Man. He looked terrible.
Speaker 2: So she told me, and I quote, our government says
Speaker 2: there's no area fifty one. Our government says there's no UFOs.
Speaker 2: Our government says we've never recovered aliens. Well, we all know,
Speaker 2: if you do your research on it, that's a one
Speaker 2: hundred percent lie because apparently we as humans cannot accept
Speaker 2: the truth that we are not the only ones here. Okay,
Speaker 2: well the government has come around, So I gotta give her.
Speaker 1: That one as like, well, what else is?
Speaker 2: Youre? Right? And so anyway, after that one weird encounter. So,
Speaker 2: according to Laura, the mother DN Marie once told her
Speaker 2: that Lash told her that quote. He was half alien,
Speaker 2: half man, and he was a hybrid, and he was
Speaker 2: a high security operative for a government agency that we
Speaker 2: don't know about. And the only thing that I can
Speaker 2: think of that would be higher than the CIA is
Speaker 2: the DA. There's also a man who came forth and
Speaker 2: sent us a picture and he said, Bob worked with
Speaker 2: the DIA in nineteen ninety six. What's the DIA The
Speaker 2: Department of Defense Intelligence Agency?
Speaker 1: Oh oh, oh, okay, yeah, it's like.
Speaker 2: The CIA, but for the right, like bigger, yeah, for
Speaker 2: the military. More So, I had to follow up on this, right,
Speaker 2: being a diligent journalist, I asked well, wait, someone emailed
Speaker 2: you and told you Bob worked for the DIA, And
Speaker 2: so she told me, yes, under a different name, it
Speaker 2: wasn't Jeffrey Lash. The man came forward from another agency
Speaker 2: that deals with extraterrestrials and things like that. And what
Speaker 2: I got out of my conversation with Bob was that
Speaker 2: he was working on aliens. But you can't find any
Speaker 2: information online about Bob or Catherine, just what their parents did.
Speaker 2: That seems very odd to me.
Speaker 1: Like, here's the thing. When I hear crazy stories like this,
Speaker 1: I always have to take a pause and be like,
Speaker 1: what if it's true?
Speaker 2: Yes, right there you go. That's how I do it.
Speaker 2: I always like to keep open the potential of like,
Speaker 2: well why not. Yeah, it's a much more interesting world alive.
Speaker 2: Bit So I asked her, do you think he is
Speaker 2: a secret Black Ops half alien spot? She thought a moment,
Speaker 2: and then she told me I thought about this for
Speaker 2: a long time. Either he believed this one hundred percent
Speaker 2: or he's one hundred percent sociopath. It's one or the other.
Speaker 2: There is no third way.
Speaker 1: Well he believed it when.
Speaker 2: Yes, so she was yeah, exactly so, mostly though, she's
Speaker 2: just worried about her adopted daughter, because she in MINDA
Speaker 2: Marie is still missing at this point. So she had
Speaker 2: sent that one suspicious hand letter from Sacramento. But at
Speaker 2: this point when I talked to her, she's only heard
Speaker 2: from the police in Oregon. So and she may be
Speaker 2: an adoptive mother, but she's still a mother. She still
Speaker 2: got a mother's full concern, so adopt this exactly. So
Speaker 2: she was worried that Da Marie was hiding out, perhaps
Speaker 2: from some secret government agency.
Speaker 1: Anyway, you got to go to the Pacific Northwest or
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 2: She may know too much. She's probably hiding up there
Speaker 2: with Bigfoot. So Catherine de bron Goren at this point resurfaces.
Speaker 2: She comes back to La she finds her fiance's dead
Speaker 2: body in the suv. She calls her lawyer, he calls
Speaker 2: the LAPD. And clearly she's not hiding from anyone. So
Speaker 2: what's the story there, or she is hiding she's bad
Speaker 2: at it. But her lawyer told the press that his
Speaker 2: client quote still very much believes that her dead fiance
Speaker 2: was working with the CIA. So the LAPD is quick
Speaker 2: to determine there was no foul play.
Speaker 1: Why is the lawyer making public state he doesn't need.
Speaker 2: Doesn't need to. I don't I do not know. I
Speaker 2: think he just likes talking to the press anyway. Since
Speaker 2: there's no murder for them to investigate the LAPD, he's like, well,
Speaker 2: we're just gonna focus on the booby trapped condo and
Speaker 2: all those guns and the storage and its Yeah, now,
Speaker 2: your people, Elizabeth the web Slute, they stay on this
Speaker 2: case and the guns because the guns they had for
Speaker 2: probate court. Which brings us to Jeffrey Allen, Lash's lawyer. Okay,
Speaker 2: his name Bob Rentzer. He was Lash's on call lawyer
Speaker 2: for roughly a decade, and in fact, he'd been called
Speaker 2: into action with a time or two before in the
Speaker 2: past when Jeffrey all and Lash ran into some trouble
Speaker 2: with the law.
Speaker 1: He's actual Bob.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So there was this burglary back in the day
Speaker 2: and all of Jeffrey all and Lash's guns were stolen.
Speaker 2: He was distraught. He filed a police report, and then
Speaker 2: he filed an insurance claim. Then the company paid out
Speaker 2: on all of his guns. But then the LAPD started
Speaker 2: to find his guns at different raids and crime scenes
Speaker 2: and they collected them and then they returned the guns
Speaker 2: as they were recovered. And then this is where the
Speaker 2: story takes another weird turn. But rather than me tell
Speaker 2: you about Elizabeth, I'd like you to close your eyes
Speaker 2: and I'd like you to picture it.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: It's a call morning at the Lost Hill Station of
Speaker 2: the LA Sheriff's Department, and you, Elizabeth, have been transferred
Speaker 2: from the Flying Squad in London and are doing an
Speaker 2: immersive exchange with the LA Sheriff's Department as part of
Speaker 2: a pilot program. At the moment, DCI Dutton, you are
Speaker 2: seated in the lobby of the Lost Hill Station waiting
Speaker 2: for your liaison officer to arrive. So you flip through
Speaker 2: a two year old copy of law Man magazine as
Speaker 2: you wait, But you hear this tremendous promotion outside, and
Speaker 2: being curious as you are, you pop up out of
Speaker 2: the uncomfortable seat and take a short walk over to
Speaker 2: the sliding glass doors. A slide apart and you step
Speaker 2: through to the outside. The desert air greets you. It's dry, Chris.
Speaker 2: You're filled with the sounds of men working unloading a truck.
Speaker 2: Perhaps You walk around the corner through an open gate
Speaker 2: into a police yard where you spy inmates from the
Speaker 2: detention facility at the sheriff station busy loading a truck
Speaker 2: with what looks to be hundreds of guns. The inmates
Speaker 2: are under the watch of a few Sheriff's deputies, each
Speaker 2: one of them tot's a shotgun. The inmates move in
Speaker 2: an or procession, walking back and forth between the open
Speaker 2: back of the truck in the crates of the guns
Speaker 2: on the loading dock of the sheriff station. You wonder yourself,
Speaker 2: fly me, that's a mess of firearms. The guns are
Speaker 2: wrapped in wax paper. They're sealed. You can't actually see
Speaker 2: the guns. But what else is gun? Shaped like that?
Speaker 2: Over your shoulder, you sense some movement and see the
Speaker 2: approach of two men. One is a rumpled lawyer, the
Speaker 2: kind you find in an office and a half abandoned
Speaker 2: strip mall in the valley. The other, you assume is
Speaker 2: his client or his maybe his junior partner, due to
Speaker 2: the fact that he never speaks. The lawyer walks into
Speaker 2: the seat, his client trailing after him, and you hear
Speaker 2: the lawyer ask, are those my client's firearms you're loading?
Speaker 2: A sheriff deputy calls over and says that they'll be
Speaker 2: done loading them soon and that they can drive them
Speaker 2: home or do whatever his client wants with his arsenal.
Speaker 2: You study this man, the client. He doesn't look back
Speaker 2: at you. Instead, he's just hyper focused on his guns.
Speaker 2: You can see his jaw kind of clench. He's pissed.
Speaker 2: It's something. All you can tell is that something ain't
Speaker 2: right with this guy. His lawyer turns back to quietly
Speaker 2: confer with his client, But standing where you are, you're
Speaker 2: close enough to hear what is said as his words
Speaker 2: kind of drift over to you, carried by that desert breeze.
Speaker 2: The lawyer tells his client that those are all your guns,
Speaker 2: not one is missing. But the client is still staring
Speaker 2: at the deputies handling his weapons. He replies, to clenched teeth,
Speaker 2: there's one that's unwrapped. Look at it. To my mind,
Speaker 2: that destroys the pristine, original condition of the firearm. It's
Speaker 2: been spoiled. You silently wonder yourself, is this guy the
Speaker 2: most American guy there? Ever?
Speaker 1: Is?
Speaker 2: Elizabeth? What you just witnessed was Jeffrey Allen lash having
Speaker 2: his stolen guns returned to him. But if you can
Speaker 2: believe that the La Sheriffs would come back and take
Speaker 2: his guns again. Oh yes, but anyway, let to take
Speaker 2: a little break and after these home baked ads, we'll
Speaker 2: get to the truth of this mystery. Nice and we're back, Elizabeth,
Speaker 2: Yes we are. So how you joined this one so far?
Speaker 2: I love this right because in all these directions you
Speaker 2: don't know where it's We'll see if we can land
Speaker 2: this bad boy.
Speaker 1: Please.
Speaker 2: All right, I know you don't go in for the
Speaker 2: woo woo quite like I do, but you are open minded, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: you will entertain it nearly as long as I will.
Speaker 2: So I got to ask a question for you. How
Speaker 2: much did Jeffrey Allen Lash love those guns?
Speaker 1: I would say a lot, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, little worrisome, Yeah, the teeth clenching. They're like, don't
Speaker 2: touch my guns are not pristine. I mean, dude's like
Speaker 2: not right.
Speaker 1: Well, he's like the kind of people who have like
Speaker 1: the figurines in the box.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, totally. But if the figurine could kill
Speaker 2: like thirty people, well some cans. Now remember how you
Speaker 2: were there when he had them returned to him his
Speaker 2: guns and he got all weird bad right because I
Speaker 2: touched the bear wood skin or whatever the.
Speaker 1: Guns were at various places. They weren't all in one location.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had to be collected and given back, but.
Speaker 1: They were able to get all of them. Apparently, that's weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the insurance company they had paid out on
Speaker 2: these stolen guns, right, so when they find out that
Speaker 2: Lash got his stolen guns back, the insurance company is like, bro,
Speaker 2: that's fraud. So they filed charges against Lash. So what
Speaker 2: does that mean. It means the sheriff deputy you have
Speaker 2: to come back out and seizeon and pound all of
Speaker 2: his guns again. And you know how that's gonna go.
Speaker 2: He hated that, I say so. Now, dropping back into
Speaker 2: this ongoing saga of stolen is seze guns. His lawyer,
Speaker 2: the real Bob Bob Rentzer, swans back in like a
Speaker 2: legal superhero from a strip mall, and he helps Lash
Speaker 2: navigate the many intricacies of the La County courts. He
Speaker 2: gets the fraud charges dismissed, He gets the guns returned
Speaker 2: to Lash yet again. Now, after that whole stolen gun
Speaker 2: debacle and getting it returned and then taking in returned
Speaker 2: and so forth, Lash is now worried that people are
Speaker 2: gonna take his gun. So yeah, this is probably when
Speaker 2: he starts booby trapping condos anyway. Yeah, but he was
Speaker 2: a super spy guy. Why did he have to go
Speaker 2: through the open court to get his guns back?
Speaker 1: That's a good well, you know, you don't want to
Speaker 1: draw sure, but.
Speaker 2: It seems like kind of a strike against him being
Speaker 2: part of a super secret black OPA team. So, just
Speaker 2: like with Don Marie's adoptive mother, since I have Lash's
Speaker 2: lawyer on the phone, I asked him, what was this
Speaker 2: dad like to deal with personally? Yeah, Renzer told me
Speaker 2: it was very, very nice to me. He wasn't demanding
Speaker 2: at all, very friendly. In fact, he'd been to the
Speaker 2: house several times. He was always welcome at the house.
Speaker 2: I tell you we had an attorney client relationship. We
Speaker 2: also had a very cordial, friendly relationship. We would go
Speaker 2: out to dinner together. I was friends with his father.
Speaker 2: That's how I met Jeff Okay. I asked where the
Speaker 2: money came from? Did you know the dad right?
Speaker 1: Exactly?
Speaker 2: The lawyer, He explained, I had no idea he was
Speaker 2: getting his money. He didn't never appear to have a
Speaker 2: job like he was always available at all times during
Speaker 2: the day. It was never like also you after work.
Speaker 2: I don't think he ever used that word work in
Speaker 2: any of our conversations. Huh, So, what about the big question?
Speaker 2: Was this dude a half alien, half human eivor or not? Bob, So,
Speaker 2: over the phone, I asked him that. He laughed at me, Elizabeth,
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm a lawyer, come on, brother. I was like, Bro,
Speaker 2: I have to and he was like all right. So
Speaker 2: when I did ask him and he decided to answer,
Speaker 2: he said no. And if he was, he would have
Speaker 2: told me that's ridiculous, son. They never would file criminal
Speaker 2: charges on him or any of his cases. If he
Speaker 2: were a government agent, they would have brought disciplinary proceedings
Speaker 2: against him when that case was filed criminally against him
Speaker 2: for the insurance rod. So we got a pretty good
Speaker 2: answer there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I said, well, what was he really like then, Bob?
Speaker 2: And he's like, well, a bright, average ordinary guy with
Speaker 2: an extraordinary interest in guns. Yeah. I'd say five million
Speaker 2: dollars worth of guns qualifies as more than an extraordinary interest. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe obsessive. Anyway, he chalked all this obsession on guns
Speaker 2: to a complex human emotion. You know what that human
Speaker 2: emotion was? Elizabeth Renser says, how do you explain love.
Speaker 2: Oh gun, he loved guns. You can't explain love. It's
Speaker 2: an emotional feeling. It's so true, Elizabeth. You can't explain love.
Speaker 1: Especially when it's an inanimate object.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and some men they would love guns like other
Speaker 2: people love puppies, you know. And that second may be
Speaker 2: the key to underwinding this mystery. But according to his fiance,
Speaker 2: Catherine lebron, Gorn's lawyer, Lash, remember I told you stash
Speaker 2: guns all around the LA basin, so it's just the
Speaker 2: ones they found. And he also said that he likely
Speaker 2: paid the rent on them for at least ten years
Speaker 2: in advance, which means sometime about next year, quite possibly,
Speaker 2: a bunch of storage units in LA will come up
Speaker 2: for auction. So some lucky buyer out there might win
Speaker 2: an arsenal of guns, maybe some amphibious assault vehicles or
Speaker 2: a bulletproof suv.
Speaker 1: Who knows.
Speaker 2: Good luck La County. But that mystery we will have
Speaker 2: to wait on. Anyway. The mystery we can solve today
Speaker 2: was Jeffrey Allen Lash, a shape shifting half alien, half
Speaker 2: human hybrid superspy guy for a secret black ops government program. Hell,
Speaker 2: that's a mouthful. It is to answer that we need
Speaker 2: to introduce a new character, a mysterious blonde woman Elizabeth.
Speaker 2: As reporters interviewed the neighbors, and me being one of them,
Speaker 2: the story came out about how every night a mysterious
Speaker 2: blond woman would pull up in a Mercedes ben in
Speaker 2: front of the booby trapped condo townhouse, the one of
Speaker 2: the Pacific Palisades. The mysterious blonde, as I said, every night,
Speaker 2: and she'd show up. Her car has no license plate,
Speaker 2: just like Jeffrey al and Lash's car always had no
Speaker 2: license plate, had no license never, never for years.
Speaker 1: So they came down from Oakland exactly.
Speaker 2: But every six months he would go get a new
Speaker 2: least Mercedes or whatever and then just do the things.
Speaker 4: It style.
Speaker 2: So each night, though, this woman in the Mercedes with
Speaker 2: no license plates, she'd drop off a green trash bag
Speaker 2: on the front steps of the condo every night, every night,
Speaker 2: full of what's in the bag?
Speaker 1: The bag?
Speaker 2: Elizabeth, So I wondered about this little detail. It was like,
Speaker 2: every night, why is a mysterious blonde dropping off a
Speaker 2: trash bag? Is it drugs? Is it money? Is it ammo?
Speaker 2: So it couldn't be very heavy because the mystery blonde
Speaker 2: didn't look all that strong for the people who saw
Speaker 2: My guess was money or drugs? Yeah, maybe cancer drugs,
Speaker 2: maybe more all natural health food supplements. Well, after Lash died,
Speaker 2: the green bag ritual stopped, so there was certainly some connection,
Speaker 2: right the bags wore for him. The mystery blonde who
Speaker 2: is she? Well, it wasn't Catherine lebron Goren and it
Speaker 2: wasn't don Marie Vadbunker. The mystery blonde though she did
Speaker 2: have a lawyer, so she lawyered up and she wouldn't
Speaker 2: answer questions from her reporter anyway. The mysterious blonde woman's
Speaker 2: name is Michelle Lyons. Okay, and Jeffrey Allen. Lash was
Speaker 2: apparently in a complicated love triangle. Michelle Lyons is the
Speaker 2: owner of a lucrative computer consulting firm that works with lawyers. Right,
Speaker 2: so it means, just like Catherine de bron Gorn, she
Speaker 2: also has money. So she gave this money freely over
Speaker 2: to Lash so he could enjoy his great love of guns.
Speaker 1: Oh Man.
Speaker 2: Now, her lawyer estimates that over the years, Lions gave
Speaker 2: Lash about a million dollars. What Yeah, because she wanted
Speaker 2: Lash to feel the love. Yeah, and she and he
Speaker 2: kept his relationship separate from her and didn't tell Catherine
Speaker 2: de bron Goren about it. And that's who's condo he
Speaker 2: lived in by the way in Pacific Palisades with Catherine
Speaker 2: debron Goran.
Speaker 1: So she just lived there.
Speaker 2: She had all the real estates. So she's like, oh,
Speaker 2: she lived there too with her.
Speaker 1: She lived there too. And then this lady's dropping off
Speaker 1: god knows every night.
Speaker 2: Yes, And so I was like, did they know about
Speaker 2: each other? I think they'd be pissed. But apparently Michelle
Speaker 2: Lyons knew that Lash lived with Catherine lebron Goren. She
Speaker 2: just didn't care because you know, she was convinced that
Speaker 2: that was his roommate and business partner. Okay, And so
Speaker 2: she's like, oh, yeah, they just lived together. Yeah, they're
Speaker 2: just you.
Speaker 1: Know, I'm giving him millions of dollars.
Speaker 2: He has a roommate, totally full grown adults who lived
Speaker 2: together in a townhouse their business partners.
Speaker 1: Elizabeth, did did Catherine know about the blonde? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll get to that in a second, but first
Speaker 2: I feel like I should answer your question about the
Speaker 2: green bags. Yeah, what's in the green bags?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: You were right it was all food. It was it
Speaker 2: was the raw meat that he liked to eat. It
Speaker 2: was all the meals that Lash would need for the
Speaker 2: next day.
Speaker 1: Meal prepped him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, meat totally in a trash bag. And she had
Speaker 2: known Lions, had known him first. She had been cool
Speaker 2: with him for thirty one years, thirty one. For thirty
Speaker 2: one years, Elizabeth, And for thirty one years, she never
Speaker 2: took a vacation, so she would always be available to
Speaker 2: him if he needed to her to bring him his
Speaker 2: daily bread or whatever. Thirty one years, no vacation day.
Speaker 2: She took care of him every day for thirty one years.
Speaker 2: As he got sick, I think then she started bringing.
Speaker 1: Him there yeahs of food, but was just always on
Speaker 1: call for thirty one years.
Speaker 2: And as you were wondering did they know about each other,
Speaker 2: Lions and lebron Goren both knew about each other. But
Speaker 2: more than that, they spoke on the phone every day.
Speaker 2: Every day they talked, and.
Speaker 1: So they just thought the other was just a pal.
Speaker 2: Yes, they were both convinced that the other one was
Speaker 2: just like his galpal, his girl Friday. So so for
Speaker 2: a decade at least, both of these women believe that
Speaker 2: they are the super spy guy's one true love and
Speaker 2: that the other one is just his business partner. And
Speaker 2: he tells them just don't ever bring up what we
Speaker 2: got and they don't. So because he demanded they keep
Speaker 2: his secret safe lifestyle. I got to keep my super
Speaker 2: spy guy's secret safe. And he's like, shuah, no problem.
Speaker 2: So anyway, the cover story works for this decade, these
Speaker 2: you're rich women keep buying this guy guns. He gets
Speaker 2: up to twelve hundred guns, and however many are in
Speaker 2: the storage units. And uh, you know. Also, by the way,
Speaker 2: I found out, Jeffrey all and Lash had no money
Speaker 2: of his own. Of course, he did not inherit money
Speaker 2: from his microbiologist father. He had a cult leader's ability
Speaker 2: to convince these women to pay for his dreams. Wow.
Speaker 2: So yeah, not only did that he collect guns, he
Speaker 2: also was just a collector in general. So when they
Speaker 2: got inside and the police got inside the townhouse, they
Speaker 2: found a collection of fifty thousand DVDs and another sixty
Speaker 2: thousand CDs and figures. So what are his favorites? I
Speaker 2: knew you'd want to know.
Speaker 1: I'd like to do it. Point break, No, did not
Speaker 1: have did you know that? Point Break came out in
Speaker 1: nineteen aety one.
Speaker 2: Thank you for telling me that, I'd like to keep
Speaker 2: that at the four of my mind. So apparently he
Speaker 2: was really into early two thousands justin Timberlake. He was
Speaker 2: very glad when Justin brought the Sexy back. Oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 2: because it fits with this guy, because on his bookshelf
Speaker 2: for all these books by pickup artists, he's that guy.
Speaker 2: So he'd use psychological war games against these women all
Speaker 2: his life, basically conning them into aiding his obsessions.
Speaker 1: He didn't think it was weird. It like he had
Speaker 1: all these books.
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently they weren't looking at his bookshelf so they
Speaker 2: didn't notice. He was like this amateur pimp trying to
Speaker 2: buy an arsenal with their money. And then one day,
Speaker 2: obviously he died. So that's when all this like the
Speaker 2: cult leader like hold he has on them, it comes apart, right,
Speaker 2: But he'd prepared them for the moment of his death.
Speaker 2: So when he died, Catherine Debron Gorn as I told you,
Speaker 2: she wrapped his body and blankets, hauled his dead body
Speaker 2: into the suv where she loaded it down with bags
Speaker 2: of dry eyes. Then she grabbed Don Marie and they
Speaker 2: cut right. No secret blacks off. Super Spy agency comes
Speaker 2: to retrieve the body. So, now faced with the reality
Speaker 2: of his rotting Corpselebron Goron has to call her lawyer
Speaker 2: when she gets back and she's like, can you make
Speaker 2: this go away? Meanwhile, she goes and she hides her
Speaker 2: assistant who did know too much and she was worried
Speaker 2: that she may talk not about super spy guy's secrets,
Speaker 2: shape shifting aliens. She just knew too much about what
Speaker 2: was going down in this condo. Yeah, like, oh, she's
Speaker 2: a liability.
Speaker 1: So he told her that he he says to the Catherine,
Speaker 1: when I die, that is the most agent of chaos
Speaker 1: move and I love it.
Speaker 2: I thought that'd be going in your will, some weird
Speaker 2: thing you've got to do, like it involves chemistry and
Speaker 2: like blankets.
Speaker 1: It's body in an suv and the Feds will come
Speaker 1: get it. One last, last, one, last agent of chaos moment.
Speaker 2: So the La County Coroner's office, right, they eventually release
Speaker 2: autopsy report. Okay, yeah, and as if they wanted to
Speaker 2: keep the flames of conspiracy theories going, no cause of
Speaker 2: death was listed. Oh interesting, And also they did not
Speaker 2: list if he was a half alien human hybrid or not.
Speaker 2: They didn't clear that up, so yeah, but there you
Speaker 2: have it. So Jeffrey Allen lash he's this charming, delusional,
Speaker 2: exploitative con man who convinces people he was an alien superspy.
Speaker 2: Some how, this cover story works for more than a
Speaker 2: decade to afford him one of the nicest lives I've
Speaker 2: heard about in a long time, and one of the
Speaker 2: most expensive places to live in the world. He got
Speaker 2: to entertain his obsessions, he got to go and like
Speaker 2: you know, eat well, he got out, had a lot
Speaker 2: of love being thrown at him. He was just bumping
Speaker 2: some justin Timberlake whenever.
Speaker 1: He wanted feeling it.
Speaker 2: So anyway, all these people, they somehow decided to express
Speaker 2: their love for each other in guns, which.
Speaker 1: Is just yea, that is weird to me.
Speaker 2: Think they're all like, I love you, here's money for
Speaker 2: a gun. Oh, I love you, Thank you for the gun.
Speaker 2: So in the end, Elizabeth, there's really not much mystery
Speaker 2: to this one. It's one of the most terrestrial stories
Speaker 2: you'll ever hear. Yeah, man emotionally manipulates others to pay
Speaker 2: for his paranoia and arm himself for a war that
Speaker 2: never comes. It's about a human of a story you
Speaker 2: ever hear. So it's a ridiculous takeaway here, Elizabeth, oh Man.
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, sometimes we find ourselves in
Speaker 1: situations and you're so deep into it that you can't
Speaker 1: see how preposterous things yes, And then it's like if
Speaker 1: you tell someone actually, hear the words coming out of
Speaker 1: your mouth, not that I've ever been in that such
Speaker 1: hear the words coming out of your mouth, and you're
Speaker 1: like each word, You're like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Okay, now I hear.
Speaker 1: It, now I hear it. Now. Yeah. So I you know,
Speaker 1: I we we look at these ladies and we're like,
Speaker 1: what in the you know? But like, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is a severe case of it. And I feel like
Speaker 1: they heard it out loud and still were like, yep,
Speaker 1: a lizard.
Speaker 2: Boyfriend, gotta keep a secret, keep it safe.
Speaker 1: Aaron, what's ridiculous takeaway?
Speaker 2: Oh Man? Let me just luxuriate in this moment, right.
Speaker 2: I don't have one, Okay, so there you go, makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: actually I do have one, tiny one, yeah, which is
Speaker 2: like I think that, uh, money is a really interesting
Speaker 2: thing because you give it to people and they rarely
Speaker 2: seem to do anything to help themselves or make the
Speaker 2: world better. They just do weird stuff, and they do
Speaker 2: controlling things, and they do like, oh, wish fulfillment. Like
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, I never could have this.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go get this. But it's never like, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go help these people. I mean, like, I
Speaker 2: know there are people who are like that, but they
Speaker 2: don't tend to be the ones who get the money.
Speaker 2: It's the these people who are like, I'm gonna get money.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what'd you do with it? I bought a
Speaker 2: bunch of guns.
Speaker 1: I never used well that it was a twelve hundred guns.
Speaker 1: You're not on.
Speaker 2: Fire all them. You probably didn't touch all of them.
Speaker 1: No, And it's like it's not for I mean maybe
Speaker 1: one is for home.
Speaker 2: Protection too, Yeah, you only have two hands.
Speaker 1: But the rest it's like, what are you what? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess it's it's a collector.
Speaker 2: Thirty mm I got an invader. No, that's a thirty
Speaker 2: And I've.
Speaker 1: Said I don't understand collector mindset, and but at the
Speaker 1: same and like I can get like if you have
Speaker 1: a couple things, sure, but twelve hundred of anything. I
Speaker 1: don't care if it's guns, anything.
Speaker 2: Anything that's not rice. I'm like, dude, you got a problem.
Speaker 1: That's well.
Speaker 2: As always, we appreciate you listening to us, But before
Speaker 2: we go, should we do a talkback? Elizabeth?
Speaker 1: Yes? Please?
Speaker 2: All right, pretty you can hit us up with the talkback.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I w.
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 5: Elizabeth Zaren and producer d. This is Caitlin from Madison, Wisconsin.
Speaker 5: I just heard you mentioned the pickle witch at Jimmy
Speaker 5: Jones and I had to stop what I was doing
Speaker 5: and go get one. My first observation is it is
Speaker 5: cold to the touch, as you might imagine. It's a
Speaker 5: pickle on the outside instead of bread. I'm about to
Speaker 5: try it and I'll let you know how it is. Hey, guys,
Speaker 5: it's Kaitlin testing the pickle Witch Part two. It is
Speaker 5: as you might expect, very juicy. I now have pickle
Speaker 5: juice all over my jeans. But it's not about alternative.
Speaker 5: If you don't want bread, why not have a pickle
Speaker 5: instead of lettuce? It was quite tasty. I must say
Speaker 5: I liked it. Thanks for the show. Love listening to
Speaker 5: you guys. Hope you're doing great. Love from the Midwest.
Speaker 1: Bye, Hey, Caitlin, come on now, you're amazing.
Speaker 2: That great taking one for the team seriously.
Speaker 1: And I love that. It's like cold and damp, but
Speaker 1: it is. It is a curious tempted.
Speaker 2: I would try one. Probably have to not have pickle
Speaker 2: juice on my jeans because that'd be a bit weird
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: He's such a trooper.
Speaker 2: I appreciate.
Speaker 1: It's amazing and I love her well.
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