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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth. How you doing, Zaren?

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Speaker 1: I'm great? Really, Oh I've I've never felt better.

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Speaker 2: Really. That's smile on your face just sells it.

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Speaker 1: It feels so good.

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Speaker 2: Right now, I got a question for you. Yeah, do

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Speaker 2: you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 1: I do? I do? Do you like? Uh? Do you

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Speaker 1: like wild and unexpected taste sensations?

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Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I want you to think about, like, what's

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Speaker 1: your like?

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Speaker 2: Feels like a set up?

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Speaker 1: What would be like the best toothpaste ever?

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Speaker 2: Come on, that'sh chocolate Mermaid flavor?

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Speaker 1: Perfect. Okay. So I'm not going to tell you where

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Speaker 1: I got this. I cannot reveal who told me about this.

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Speaker 2: Oh God, this is gonna be bad, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: The calls coming from inside the house. Anyway, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to read you the blurb and then you got to

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Speaker 1: guess the parts that are taken out. Okay, Boca, that's

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Speaker 1: like a tooth like a mouth company.

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Speaker 2: They do like toothpaste and Spanish.

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Speaker 1: And like yeah but with a K b Oka and

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Speaker 1: they do like mouthwash and that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 1: Boca has teamed up with to create a one of

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Speaker 1: a kind flavor sensation. Just like Boca is all about

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Speaker 1: celebrating pure ingredients and unforgettable flavors for that and taste

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Speaker 1: is irresistible, a flavor that excites the palette and awakens

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Speaker 1: the senses. Now you can carry that craving with you

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Speaker 1: from morning tonight while also enjoying healthier teeth. A match

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Speaker 1: made in flavor heaven. And now something truly worth smiling.

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Speaker 2: About, paprika, butter and bacon.

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Speaker 1: Well, think about what that would I mean, legitimate lisair

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Speaker 1: and think about like what would you be talking about?

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Speaker 2: I do not know?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So who did they team up with? Grillo's pickle?

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Speaker 1: And so, just like Boca, Gorillas is all about celebrating

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Speaker 1: puer ingredients. And so they were saying for pickle lovers

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Speaker 1: that briny, sweet and tangy taste is irresistible.

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Speaker 2: As a toothpaste, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And so it's cucumber. Dill is the flavor of the toothpaste.

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Speaker 1: Usually you brush your teeth to get the dill pickle

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Speaker 1: flavor out of your mouth. Uh huh, there you go.

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Speaker 1: So that's it. That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Picklemongers use vanilla to wash their hands to get the

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Speaker 2: smell off their hands. He said, like, what if you

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Speaker 2: put it in your mouth and then just like breathe on.

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Speaker 1: It walked around all day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a bit. That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: It's made especially for close talkers.

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Speaker 2: I'm giving you that one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 2: You got a second. I got one for you.

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Speaker 1: I got all the time in the world.

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you remember how I used to be a journalist.

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Speaker 1: I do remember that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not the ridiculous part, but.

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Speaker 1: That it was kind of ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I was telling somebody about the state of the industry

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Speaker 2: the other day. Use flash, it's bad.

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Speaker 1: It's terrible.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, we got to talking and he reminded me

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Speaker 2: about a story I did a while back. I was like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's right. That's one of my favorite stories I recovered, right,

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Speaker 2: and so I was like, ah, I should tell Elizabeth

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Speaker 2: that story. It's about this guy who died in La right. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: well I lived down there, right and his dad did

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Speaker 2: you do it?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: I did not do that one. His death unleashed this

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Speaker 2: super strange mystery that gripped LA for a while. The

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Speaker 2: thing was, Elizabeth. When this dude died, his body was

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Speaker 2: left in an suv oh yeah, and the reason why

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Speaker 2: his dead body was left in the suv was for

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Speaker 2: right up until the LAPD discovered him. And that's when

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Speaker 2: things got super weird. Okay, you see, Elizabeth, Allegedly this

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Speaker 2: US government. Yeah. Like I said, this story is all

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Speaker 2: kinds of while this is ridiculous crime A podcast about.

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Speaker 4: Absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons, it's always ninety

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Speaker 2: Oh Elizabeth, oh zaren? Do you like stories about aliens,

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Speaker 2: UFOs and UAPs which is what they call them now

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Speaker 1: Or why not? You do I like anything weird? You know?

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Speaker 2: When I was doing my research on this one, I

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Speaker 2: was surprised to learn that your favorite band, the Decembrists,

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Speaker 1: That is kind of well, if aliens drowned, they would.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'd assumed they'd have a song about it, like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, a charming summertime encounter with an alien

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, are they listening?

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Speaker 2: The lyrics are there?

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Speaker 2: My point is, I think they could make a hell

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Speaker 2: of a song out of this story in particular, So

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Speaker 2: pay attention. Anyway, enough hype, let's let the good times

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Speaker 2: roll was bit. This story begins with a woman named

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Speaker 2: Catherine and Lebron Goren who comes home and finds her

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Speaker 2: just so you know, she didn't kill it, Okay, In

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Speaker 2: this story, the guy died of natural causes.

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Speaker 1: Just like behind the wheel of an suv.

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Speaker 2: No, she put him there, oh boy? Yeah? So anyway,

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Speaker 2: since Catherine left her fiance's body in the suv and

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Speaker 2: it's summertime in La. She left him covered in bags

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Speaker 2: He calls the LAPD and he tells them, you know,

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Speaker 2: So really, it's on him. The ALAPD is like, is

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Speaker 1: So it's like money, money, money, peach boys saying of

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Speaker 2: So anyway, this story erupts as soon as LAPD got

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Speaker 2: in wealthy La neighborhood. People were like, what is going

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Speaker 2: so the the twelve hundred guns. By the way, that's

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, yeah, a longer room for twelve hundred guns.

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Speaker 2: He added that his client was told by the mysterious

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Speaker 2: the LA area, right, and inside of those were probably

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Speaker 2: his black ops missions. He's got like James Bond like

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Speaker 2: So at this point the half alien human hybrid super

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Speaker 2: the mother of a missing woman who's involved in this story.

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Speaker 2: The missing woman her name is don Marie vad Bunker

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Speaker 2: will get into her in a little bit. She's the

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Speaker 2: assistant of Catherine de Broun. Goren. Okay, the fiance, the

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Catherine's rich, right, She's this daughter of a

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Speaker 2: guy who built a real estate empire and fortune in

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Speaker 2: So that's how she can have an assistant and a

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Speaker 1: That's just that's the hottest successor.

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Speaker 2: You kidding me? So the assistant she goes missing, right,

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Speaker 2: So these lizard people they're from apparently the Alpha Draconis

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Speaker 1: Kind of sounds like last through this.

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Speaker 2: So keeping score, what do we have going so far?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, but I haven't told you this guy's

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Speaker 2: When I first started covering the story, this Dudejeffrey Allen Lash,

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Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I was checking online forums for this story when I

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Speaker 2: The collection of opinions. I found this guy, Jeffrey Allen Lash.

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Speaker 2: He was certainly an odd fellow, right, So he's super secretive. Also,

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Speaker 2: No, we actually going did talk to people, but that'd

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Speaker 2: outside evil forces. He wanted to take his things, steal

435
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 2: his money, get ahold of his gun collection, which was

436
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,840
Speaker 2: really one of his prize possessions.

437
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:26,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.

438
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you get a little sense of this guy paranoid,

439
00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,440
Speaker 2: doesn't like seeking wealthy anyway. Leonard says he learned about

440
00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 2: Lash's health troubles and quote, it appears that he told

441
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,880
Speaker 2: friends and others that he had als, but it may

442
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,440
Speaker 2: have been something else. He knew maybe two years ago

443
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 2: that he was going to suffer a horrible death, and

444
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 2: he'd begun planning for that, and he was living his

445
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 2: life in a way that everybody would find highly unusual.

446
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:48,920
Speaker 1: Wow.

447
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, in this reporter's estimation, could this man he

448
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,120
Speaker 2: knew be the shape shifting, half alien human hybrid black

449
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 2: ops superspy guy everyone's talking about. Leonard unsurprisingly had his doubts.

450
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 2: The best of my knowledge, and from the few interactions

451
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 2: I had with him, and certainly from the stories that

452
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 2: people who knew him much better than me, they told

453
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 2: me he was a kind of a harmless kook. He

454
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 2: was somebody who was very well off, and if he

455
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,919
Speaker 2: didn't have money and means, he probably would have been

456
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 2: treated by society very very differently.

457
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can be weird as all get out.

458
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 1: Oh you got enough money?

459
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,160
Speaker 2: The British eccentrics showed us the way.

460
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

461
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,479
Speaker 2: Now this raises the question, was last just playing at

462
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 2: being a super spy guy because he had money? Or

463
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 2: if so, why would he want people to think he

464
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,919
Speaker 2: was a reptilian? That doesn't quite jive? And was he

465
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 2: actually wealthy? Was even that true. Ye, back to Leonard,

466
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 2: he'd never worked today. As far as I knew, the

467
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 2: money came from his father's side. He had a mother

468
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,959
Speaker 2: and father, they're both deceased. He has no relatives anywhere,

469
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 2: no brothers, no sisters. He was the end of the line.

470
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 2: He was the sole recipient of his family's wealth. But

471
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 2: he was extremely evasive about where that came from. But

472
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 2: the best I've been able to deduce his father worked

473
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 2: in science and had patents that were licensed and were

474
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 2: involved in some very very heavily used pharmaceuticals, and the

475
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 2: royalties from that came in the millions, millions of millions

476
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,640
Speaker 2: of dollars. When I first met him, he was receiving

477
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 2: a disbursement from the family trust somewhere in the neighborhood,

478
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 2: and this is an educated guest, somewhere in the neighborhood

479
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 2: of thirty or forty thousand dollars a week a week, yes,

480
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty month, Yeah, one hundred and sixty

481
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,640
Speaker 2: dollars a month. Yet, depending on which one you guess.

482
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 1: What pharmaceutical money.

483
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. How much trouble with that theory is that microbiologists

484
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 2: rarely patent anything.

485
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 1: You don't know, not anything that's worth.

486
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 2: A fortune, and his father was just that. So was

487
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 2: this any of this true? Right? Well, let's just get

488
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 2: past all that, because Leonard doesn't know the answer to that.

489
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 2: Does he Was this guy a super spy guy or not? Leonard?

490
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 1: Good question.

491
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 2: So, according to the KFI AM radio reporter, Leonard, from

492
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 2: everything I know, it's very unlikely, especially because the two

493
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 2: people I know that know him are the real deal.

494
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 2: They're involved with actual stuff, with actual agencies, and they

495
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 2: are very serious individuals. Well, isn't that exactly what they

496
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 2: would hey, Leonard?

497
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

498
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 2: I mean if they know him and they're both big

499
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 2: muckety MUCKs and real agencies, they are like, oh yeah,

500
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 2: I don't worry about that.

501
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: I know zero muckety MUCKs and real agencies, and this

502
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 1: guy's got two exactly.

503
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 2: And they're both trying to act like there's no story here.

504
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

505
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 2: So, try as he might, Leonard obviously did not help

506
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 2: put out the flames of online theories. He let them

507
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 2: burn on. At this point, Elizabeth, I started doing research

508
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 2: on this story, and I reached out to some folks.

509
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 2: I did some interviews, and at one point I tracked

510
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 2: down Don Marie's mother. Okay, and I asked to speak

511
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 2: with her. I'm like, give me the goods.

512
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

513
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 2: Now, Elizabeth, you thought this story is odd, Here's where

514
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 2: it takes another turn. No, wa, yeah, I drove up

515
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 2: to meet her. She lives up like a Inventora County

516
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 2: and I go and I talked to Laura vad Bunker,

517
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 2: that's the mother. I asked her about her daughter, and

518
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,959
Speaker 2: she interrupts to tell me that she adopted don Marie

519
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 2: earlier that year. She adopted a thirty nine year old woman.

520
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: Wait, yeah, you can you do that?

521
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, totally. Can you adopt anybody if you want to?

522
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: You can't?

523
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can. You just have to do the lookout

524
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 2: where well they have to agree to. But you see,

525
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 2: don Marie had been dating their son, okay, the bad

526
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 2: Bunker's son. Yeah, they got married and then the vad

527
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 2: Bunkers helped the couple to get a house. But not

528
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 2: long after that, things kind of go south. Her son

529
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 2: walks out on don Marie. That leads to this terrible

530
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 2: downward spiral for her. Don Marie then loses the home,

531
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 2: she loses her car. At some point, the family's like,

532
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 2: we understand if you want to, like, you know, annull

533
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 2: the marriage, and so she did. She annulled the marriage

534
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 2: to their son. But the bad Bunkers were like, but

535
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 2: we love you, We're not prepared to say goodbye to

536
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: our daughter in law. So they adopted her and they

537
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: dropped the in law part and they just made her

538
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 2: their daughter, which means she's now her ex husband's legal sister. Yeah. Right,

539
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: So anyway, that was about the same time that don

540
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 2: Marie got a job working for Catherine Lebron Goren as

541
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 2: her personal assistant.

542
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: Well, you know, like when you hit a low point

543
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: in life, you've got to go get a job working

544
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: for some like rich.

545
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good call because it'll at least keep

546
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 2: your life interesting exactly. So at this point she's mostly

547
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 2: taking care of like processing legal paper work because I

548
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: remember real estate Empire allowed to leave.

549
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: I forgot about the real estate thing. I was like, Oh,

550
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: she's just in a lot of trouble.

551
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 2: No, she has lawyers, but you know, anyway, so she's

552
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 2: going mostly dah. Marie is going through boxes of contracts

553
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 2: for her boss, Catherine, and at this point she's yet

554
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 2: to meet her boss's mystery fiance. Then six months before

555
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 2: he dies, don Marie gets brought inside the circle of trust.

556
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 2: She meets Jeffrey Allen Lash, although she knows him as

557
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 2: Bob Skinny Bob. Yeah, he can introduce himself, is he

558
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 2: I'm Bob oh? I remember, he doesn't want people to

559
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 2: know his name, not even his fiance's assistant. According to

560
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: our adopted mother, though, this is when don Marie started

561
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 2: to change lauras she noted that do Marie's diet changed dramatically.

562
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: All she wanted to eat was raw food. She said

563
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 2: this was a suggestion from Jeffrey Allen Lash. Only eat

564
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 2: raw meat, anything with blood in it.

565
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: Oh God.

566
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 2: This is just the start, though, because soon don Marie

567
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 2: starts talking about how Jeffrey Allen Lash is so important

568
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 2: in her life, and then also he's secretly a shape

569
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 2: shifting half alien, half human hybrid. Her adoptive mother starts

570
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 2: to question some of this weirdness, right, She's like, what's

571
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 2: going on, Dummer. He's like, I'm healing him, I'm helping

572
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: to save the world. That's the raw meat talking you

573
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: all protein hopped up. So to prove to her adoptive

574
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 2: mother how special Bob is aka Jeffrey Allen Lash, she

575
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: arranged for Laura to meet him, right, just because I

576
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: forgot to tell you this. Laura is a wreaky healer,

577
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: you know, like lay your hands on people but don't

578
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 2: actually touch them, and so she's called in. Of course

579
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 2: heal Bob. All right, So Laura meets him. He's in

580
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: an suv because that's just where he loves to be,

581
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 2: and he's acting weird as ever. The mother Laura, she

582
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 2: performs a wreaky healing or Reichy healing on him. She

583
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: told me that she said he was the sickest man

584
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 2: alive I've ever seen.

585
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: This is so fringes of la, Like you had a

586
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: deck of cards with all the elements of fringe la.

587
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: You started pulling him lagor like the magnet poetry refrigerator exactly.

588
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: They just overturned the box and just started throwing things

589
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 2: up on the refrigerator. Was like, oh wow, this is

590
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:01,959
Speaker 2: an amazing story.

591
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: Does Aaron tell this story?

592
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: So at this point, don Marie and her mother they're

593
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 2: trying to like it's kind of suss out, like is

594
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: he actually a half alien human hybrid super spy and

595
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: so dah Marie told her adoptive mother, who was willing

596
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: to entertain the idea. And I quote, this is Laura

597
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: telling the story about Don Marie. So one day she

598
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: came home very emotional and crying. She said, there's a god.

599
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 2: There's a god. There's a god. And I said, okay,

600
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 2: what's going on? And she says, I saw Bob and

601
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: really he has yellow eyes. He's got like a reptilian body.

602
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 2: And I said, how did this happen? And she tells

603
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: me I saw him in the suv like that, and

604
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay. So I started being very careful with

605
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 2: her mentally and emotionally. I saw major changes in six

606
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: weeks that I could not explain. She was devoted to

607
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: Catherine and Bob. It was like she gave up her

608
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: whole life to.

609
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: Do this six weeks.

610
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: Six weeks.

611
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: Yes.

612
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: So now that she's actually met him and seems somewhat reasonable,

613
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: I had to ask, you know, did Laura think that

614
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 2: jeffreyon Lash was a half alien half human hybrid? You

615
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 2: did the wreky on him?

616
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: She saw him in the suv? Was he dead then?

617
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: No, he was a lot more just close to death.

618
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: Man. He looked terrible.

619
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: So she told me, and I quote, our government says

620
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: there's no area fifty one. Our government says there's no UFOs.

621
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 2: Our government says we've never recovered aliens. Well, we all know,

622
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: if you do your research on it, that's a one

623
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: hundred percent lie because apparently we as humans cannot accept

624
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 2: the truth that we are not the only ones here. Okay,

625
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: well the government has come around, So I gotta give her.

626
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: That one as like, well, what else is?

627
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 2: Youre? Right? And so anyway, after that one weird encounter. So,

628
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 2: according to Laura, the mother DN Marie once told her

629
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: that Lash told her that quote. He was half alien,

630
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: half man, and he was a hybrid, and he was

631
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 2: a high security operative for a government agency that we

632
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: don't know about. And the only thing that I can

633
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: think of that would be higher than the CIA is

634
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: the DA. There's also a man who came forth and

635
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: sent us a picture and he said, Bob worked with

636
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: the DIA in nineteen ninety six. What's the DIA The

637
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: Department of Defense Intelligence Agency?

638
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: Oh oh, oh, okay, yeah, it's like.

639
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 2: The CIA, but for the right, like bigger, yeah, for

640
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: the military. More So, I had to follow up on this, right,

641
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: being a diligent journalist, I asked well, wait, someone emailed

642
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: you and told you Bob worked for the DIA, And

643
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: so she told me, yes, under a different name, it

644
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: wasn't Jeffrey Lash. The man came forward from another agency

645
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: that deals with extraterrestrials and things like that. And what

646
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: I got out of my conversation with Bob was that

647
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 2: he was working on aliens. But you can't find any

648
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: information online about Bob or Catherine, just what their parents did.

649
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: That seems very odd to me.

650
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: Like, here's the thing. When I hear crazy stories like this,

651
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: I always have to take a pause and be like,

652
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: what if it's true?

653
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: Yes, right there you go. That's how I do it.

654
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: I always like to keep open the potential of like,

655
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: well why not. Yeah, it's a much more interesting world alive.

656
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: Bit So I asked her, do you think he is

657
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: a secret Black Ops half alien spot? She thought a moment,

658
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: and then she told me I thought about this for

659
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: a long time. Either he believed this one hundred percent

660
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: or he's one hundred percent sociopath. It's one or the other.

661
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: There is no third way.

662
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: Well he believed it when.

663
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: Yes, so she was yeah, exactly so, mostly though, she's

664
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: just worried about her adopted daughter, because she in MINDA

665
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: Marie is still missing at this point. So she had

666
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,479
Speaker 2: sent that one suspicious hand letter from Sacramento. But at

667
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: this point when I talked to her, she's only heard

668
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: from the police in Oregon. So and she may be

669
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: an adoptive mother, but she's still a mother. She still

670
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: got a mother's full concern, so adopt this exactly. So

671
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 2: she was worried that Da Marie was hiding out, perhaps

672
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: from some secret government agency.

673
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: Anyway, you got to go to the Pacific Northwest or

674
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: something like that.

675
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: She may know too much. She's probably hiding up there

676
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: with Bigfoot. So Catherine de bron Goren at this point resurfaces.

677
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: She comes back to La she finds her fiance's dead

678
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: body in the suv. She calls her lawyer, he calls

679
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 2: the LAPD. And clearly she's not hiding from anyone. So

680
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: what's the story there, or she is hiding she's bad

681
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: at it. But her lawyer told the press that his

682
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: client quote still very much believes that her dead fiance

683
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: was working with the CIA. So the LAPD is quick

684
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: to determine there was no foul play.

685
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: Why is the lawyer making public state he doesn't need.

686
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 2: Doesn't need to. I don't I do not know. I

687
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: think he just likes talking to the press anyway. Since

688
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: there's no murder for them to investigate the LAPD, he's like, well,

689
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: we're just gonna focus on the booby trapped condo and

690
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 2: all those guns and the storage and its Yeah, now,

691
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: your people, Elizabeth the web Slute, they stay on this

692
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: case and the guns because the guns they had for

693
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: probate court. Which brings us to Jeffrey Allen, Lash's lawyer. Okay,

694
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: his name Bob Rentzer. He was Lash's on call lawyer

695
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: for roughly a decade, and in fact, he'd been called

696
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: into action with a time or two before in the

697
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: past when Jeffrey all and Lash ran into some trouble

698
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: with the law.

699
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: He's actual Bob.

700
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. So there was this burglary back in the day

701
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: and all of Jeffrey all and Lash's guns were stolen.

702
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: He was distraught. He filed a police report, and then

703
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: he filed an insurance claim. Then the company paid out

704
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: on all of his guns. But then the LAPD started

705
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,719
Speaker 2: to find his guns at different raids and crime scenes

706
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: and they collected them and then they returned the guns

707
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: as they were recovered. And then this is where the

708
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: story takes another weird turn. But rather than me tell

709
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: you about Elizabeth, I'd like you to close your eyes

710
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: and I'd like you to picture it.

711
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: Well.

712
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: It's a call morning at the Lost Hill Station of

713
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: the LA Sheriff's Department, and you, Elizabeth, have been transferred

714
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: from the Flying Squad in London and are doing an

715
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: immersive exchange with the LA Sheriff's Department as part of

716
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: a pilot program. At the moment, DCI Dutton, you are

717
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: seated in the lobby of the Lost Hill Station waiting

718
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: for your liaison officer to arrive. So you flip through

719
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: a two year old copy of law Man magazine as

720
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: you wait, But you hear this tremendous promotion outside, and

721
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: being curious as you are, you pop up out of

722
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: the uncomfortable seat and take a short walk over to

723
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: the sliding glass doors. A slide apart and you step

724
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: through to the outside. The desert air greets you. It's dry, Chris.

725
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: You're filled with the sounds of men working unloading a truck.

726
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: Perhaps You walk around the corner through an open gate

727
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: into a police yard where you spy inmates from the

728
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: detention facility at the sheriff station busy loading a truck

729
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: with what looks to be hundreds of guns. The inmates

730
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: are under the watch of a few Sheriff's deputies, each

731
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: one of them tot's a shotgun. The inmates move in

732
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 2: an or procession, walking back and forth between the open

733
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: back of the truck in the crates of the guns

734
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: on the loading dock of the sheriff station. You wonder yourself,

735
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: fly me, that's a mess of firearms. The guns are

736
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: wrapped in wax paper. They're sealed. You can't actually see

737
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: the guns. But what else is gun? Shaped like that?

738
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: Over your shoulder, you sense some movement and see the

739
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: approach of two men. One is a rumpled lawyer, the

740
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: kind you find in an office and a half abandoned

741
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: strip mall in the valley. The other, you assume is

742
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: his client or his maybe his junior partner, due to

743
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: the fact that he never speaks. The lawyer walks into

744
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: the seat, his client trailing after him, and you hear

745
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: the lawyer ask, are those my client's firearms you're loading?

746
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: A sheriff deputy calls over and says that they'll be

747
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: done loading them soon and that they can drive them

748
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 2: home or do whatever his client wants with his arsenal.

749
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: You study this man, the client. He doesn't look back

750
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: at you. Instead, he's just hyper focused on his guns.

751
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: You can see his jaw kind of clench. He's pissed.

752
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: It's something. All you can tell is that something ain't

753
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: right with this guy. His lawyer turns back to quietly

754
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: confer with his client, But standing where you are, you're

755
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: close enough to hear what is said as his words

756
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: kind of drift over to you, carried by that desert breeze.

757
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 2: The lawyer tells his client that those are all your guns,

758
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 2: not one is missing. But the client is still staring

759
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 2: at the deputies handling his weapons. He replies, to clenched teeth,

760
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: there's one that's unwrapped. Look at it. To my mind,

761
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,479
Speaker 2: that destroys the pristine, original condition of the firearm. It's

762
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 2: been spoiled. You silently wonder yourself, is this guy the

763
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: most American guy there? Ever?

764
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: Is?

765
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 2: Elizabeth? What you just witnessed was Jeffrey Allen lash having

766
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 2: his stolen guns returned to him. But if you can

767
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: believe that the La Sheriffs would come back and take

768
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 2: his guns again. Oh yes, but anyway, let to take

769
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: a little break and after these home baked ads, we'll

770
00:34:46,320 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: get to the truth of this mystery. Nice and we're back, Elizabeth,

771
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: Yes we are. So how you joined this one so far?

772
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: I love this right because in all these directions you

773
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: don't know where it's We'll see if we can land

774
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: this bad boy.

775
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: Please.

776
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: All right, I know you don't go in for the

777
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: woo woo quite like I do, but you are open minded, right, yeah,

778
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: you will entertain it nearly as long as I will.

779
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: So I got to ask a question for you. How

780
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: much did Jeffrey Allen Lash love those guns?

781
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: I would say a lot, Yeah.

782
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: Right, little worrisome, Yeah, the teeth clenching. They're like, don't

783
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: touch my guns are not pristine. I mean, dude's like

784
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: not right.

785
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: Well, he's like the kind of people who have like

786
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 1: the figurines in the box.

787
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, totally. But if the figurine could kill

788
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: like thirty people, well some cans. Now remember how you

789
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: were there when he had them returned to him his

790
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: guns and he got all weird bad right because I

791
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: touched the bear wood skin or whatever the.

792
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: Guns were at various places. They weren't all in one location.

793
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had to be collected and given back, but.

794
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 1: They were able to get all of them. Apparently, that's weird.

795
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the insurance company they had paid out on

796
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: these stolen guns, right, so when they find out that

797
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: Lash got his stolen guns back, the insurance company is like, bro,

798
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: that's fraud. So they filed charges against Lash. So what

799
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: does that mean. It means the sheriff deputy you have

800
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: to come back out and seizeon and pound all of

801
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 2: his guns again. And you know how that's gonna go.

802
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 2: He hated that, I say so. Now, dropping back into

803
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: this ongoing saga of stolen is seze guns. His lawyer,

804
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: the real Bob Bob Rentzer, swans back in like a

805
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 2: legal superhero from a strip mall, and he helps Lash

806
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: navigate the many intricacies of the La County courts. He

807
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: gets the fraud charges dismissed, He gets the guns returned

808
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: to Lash yet again. Now, after that whole stolen gun

809
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: debacle and getting it returned and then taking in returned

810
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: and so forth, Lash is now worried that people are

811
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 2: gonna take his gun. So yeah, this is probably when

812
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: he starts booby trapping condos anyway. Yeah, but he was

813
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: a super spy guy. Why did he have to go

814
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: through the open court to get his guns back?

815
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: That's a good well, you know, you don't want to

816
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: draw sure, but.

817
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: It seems like kind of a strike against him being

818
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: part of a super secret black OPA team. So, just

819
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 2: like with Don Marie's adoptive mother, since I have Lash's

820
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: lawyer on the phone, I asked him, what was this

821
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: dad like to deal with personally? Yeah, Renzer told me

822
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: it was very, very nice to me. He wasn't demanding

823
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: at all, very friendly. In fact, he'd been to the

824
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 2: house several times. He was always welcome at the house.

825
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: I tell you we had an attorney client relationship. We

826
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 2: also had a very cordial, friendly relationship. We would go

827
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: out to dinner together. I was friends with his father.

828
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: That's how I met Jeff Okay. I asked where the

829
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 2: money came from? Did you know the dad right?

830
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: Exactly?

831
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: The lawyer, He explained, I had no idea he was

832
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: getting his money. He didn't never appear to have a

833
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 2: job like he was always available at all times during

834
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: the day. It was never like also you after work.

835
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 2: I don't think he ever used that word work in

836
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: any of our conversations. Huh, So, what about the big question?

837
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: Was this dude a half alien, half human eivor or not? Bob, So,

838
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 2: over the phone, I asked him that. He laughed at me, Elizabeth,

839
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm a lawyer, come on, brother. I was like, Bro,

840
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: I have to and he was like all right. So

841
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: when I did ask him and he decided to answer,

842
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: he said no. And if he was, he would have

843
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: told me that's ridiculous, son. They never would file criminal

844
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: charges on him or any of his cases. If he

845
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 2: were a government agent, they would have brought disciplinary proceedings

846
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: against him when that case was filed criminally against him

847
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: for the insurance rod. So we got a pretty good

848
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: answer there.

849
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

850
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 2: So I said, well, what was he really like then, Bob?

851
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 2: And he's like, well, a bright, average ordinary guy with

852
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: an extraordinary interest in guns. Yeah. I'd say five million

853
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: dollars worth of guns qualifies as more than an extraordinary interest. Yeah,

854
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: maybe obsessive. Anyway, he chalked all this obsession on guns

855
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: to a complex human emotion. You know what that human

856
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: emotion was? Elizabeth Renser says, how do you explain love.

857
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: Oh gun, he loved guns. You can't explain love. It's

858
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 2: an emotional feeling. It's so true, Elizabeth. You can't explain love.

859
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: Especially when it's an inanimate object.

860
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and some men they would love guns like other

861
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 2: people love puppies, you know. And that second may be

862
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: the key to underwinding this mystery. But according to his fiance,

863
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: Catherine lebron, Gorn's lawyer, Lash, remember I told you stash

864
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: guns all around the LA basin, so it's just the

865
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: ones they found. And he also said that he likely

866
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: paid the rent on them for at least ten years

867
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: in advance, which means sometime about next year, quite possibly,

868
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 2: a bunch of storage units in LA will come up

869
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: for auction. So some lucky buyer out there might win

870
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 2: an arsenal of guns, maybe some amphibious assault vehicles or

871
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: a bulletproof suv.

872
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: Who knows.

873
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: Good luck La County. But that mystery we will have

874
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: to wait on. Anyway. The mystery we can solve today

875
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 2: was Jeffrey Allen Lash, a shape shifting half alien, half

876
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: human hybrid superspy guy for a secret black ops government program. Hell,

877
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 2: that's a mouthful. It is to answer that we need

878
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: to introduce a new character, a mysterious blonde woman Elizabeth.

879
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 2: As reporters interviewed the neighbors, and me being one of them,

880
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: the story came out about how every night a mysterious

881
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: blond woman would pull up in a Mercedes ben in

882
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: front of the booby trapped condo townhouse, the one of

883
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: the Pacific Palisades. The mysterious blonde, as I said, every night,

884
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: and she'd show up. Her car has no license plate,

885
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: just like Jeffrey al and Lash's car always had no

886
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: license plate, had no license never, never for years.

887
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: So they came down from Oakland exactly.

888
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 2: But every six months he would go get a new

889
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 2: least Mercedes or whatever and then just do the things.

890
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 4: It style.

891
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: So each night, though, this woman in the Mercedes with

892
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 2: no license plates, she'd drop off a green trash bag

893
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 2: on the front steps of the condo every night, every night,

894
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 2: full of what's in the bag?

895
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: The bag?

896
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: Elizabeth, So I wondered about this little detail. It was like,

897
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: every night, why is a mysterious blonde dropping off a

898
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: trash bag? Is it drugs? Is it money? Is it ammo?

899
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: So it couldn't be very heavy because the mystery blonde

900
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: didn't look all that strong for the people who saw

901
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: My guess was money or drugs? Yeah, maybe cancer drugs,

902
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 2: maybe more all natural health food supplements. Well, after Lash died,

903
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: the green bag ritual stopped, so there was certainly some connection,

904
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: right the bags wore for him. The mystery blonde who

905
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 2: is she? Well, it wasn't Catherine lebron Goren and it

906
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: wasn't don Marie Vadbunker. The mystery blonde though she did

907
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: have a lawyer, so she lawyered up and she wouldn't

908
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 2: answer questions from her reporter anyway. The mysterious blonde woman's

909
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: name is Michelle Lyons. Okay, and Jeffrey Allen. Lash was

910
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 2: apparently in a complicated love triangle. Michelle Lyons is the

911
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: owner of a lucrative computer consulting firm that works with lawyers. Right,

912
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 2: so it means, just like Catherine de bron Gorn, she

913
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: also has money. So she gave this money freely over

914
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 2: to Lash so he could enjoy his great love of guns.

915
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: Oh Man.

916
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: Now, her lawyer estimates that over the years, Lions gave

917
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 2: Lash about a million dollars. What Yeah, because she wanted

918
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 2: Lash to feel the love. Yeah, and she and he

919
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: kept his relationship separate from her and didn't tell Catherine

920
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 2: de bron Goren about it. And that's who's condo he

921
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: lived in by the way in Pacific Palisades with Catherine

922
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: debron Goran.

923
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: So she just lived there.

924
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: She had all the real estates. So she's like, oh,

925
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: she lived there too with her.

926
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: She lived there too. And then this lady's dropping off

927
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: god knows every night.

928
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: Yes, And so I was like, did they know about

929
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: each other? I think they'd be pissed. But apparently Michelle

930
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 2: Lyons knew that Lash lived with Catherine lebron Goren. She

931
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: just didn't care because you know, she was convinced that

932
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: that was his roommate and business partner. Okay, And so

933
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: she's like, oh, yeah, they just lived together. Yeah, they're

934
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: just you.

935
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 1: Know, I'm giving him millions of dollars.

936
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: He has a roommate, totally full grown adults who lived

937
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: together in a townhouse their business partners.

938
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: Elizabeth, did did Catherine know about the blonde? Oh?

939
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll get to that in a second, but first

940
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: I feel like I should answer your question about the

941
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: green bags. Yeah, what's in the green bags?

942
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: I don't know.

943
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: You were right it was all food. It was it

944
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: was the raw meat that he liked to eat. It

945
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: was all the meals that Lash would need for the

946
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: next day.

947
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: Meal prepped him.

948
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, meat totally in a trash bag. And she had

949
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 2: known Lions, had known him first. She had been cool

950
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: with him for thirty one years, thirty one. For thirty

951
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 2: one years, Elizabeth, And for thirty one years, she never

952
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 2: took a vacation, so she would always be available to

953
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: him if he needed to her to bring him his

954
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 2: daily bread or whatever. Thirty one years, no vacation day.

955
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: She took care of him every day for thirty one years.

956
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: As he got sick, I think then she started bringing.

957
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: Him there yeahs of food, but was just always on

958
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: call for thirty one years.

959
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 2: And as you were wondering did they know about each other,

960
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: Lions and lebron Goren both knew about each other. But

961
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: more than that, they spoke on the phone every day.

962
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,479
Speaker 2: Every day they talked, and.

963
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: So they just thought the other was just a pal.

964
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 2: Yes, they were both convinced that the other one was

965
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: just like his galpal, his girl Friday. So so for

966
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: a decade at least, both of these women believe that

967
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 2: they are the super spy guy's one true love and

968
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: that the other one is just his business partner. And

969
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 2: he tells them just don't ever bring up what we

970
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 2: got and they don't. So because he demanded they keep

971
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: his secret safe lifestyle. I got to keep my super

972
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: spy guy's secret safe. And he's like, shuah, no problem.

973
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: So anyway, the cover story works for this decade, these

974
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 2: you're rich women keep buying this guy guns. He gets

975
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 2: up to twelve hundred guns, and however many are in

976
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: the storage units. And uh, you know. Also, by the way,

977
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 2: I found out, Jeffrey all and Lash had no money

978
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: of his own. Of course, he did not inherit money

979
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: from his microbiologist father. He had a cult leader's ability

980
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 2: to convince these women to pay for his dreams. Wow.

981
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, not only did that he collect guns, he

982
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 2: also was just a collector in general. So when they

983
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: got inside and the police got inside the townhouse, they

984
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 2: found a collection of fifty thousand DVDs and another sixty

985
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: thousand CDs and figures. So what are his favorites? I

986
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: knew you'd want to know.

987
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: I'd like to do it. Point break, No, did not

988
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: have did you know that? Point Break came out in

989
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: nineteen aety one.

990
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 2: Thank you for telling me that, I'd like to keep

991
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: that at the four of my mind. So apparently he

992
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: was really into early two thousands justin Timberlake. He was

993
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 2: very glad when Justin brought the Sexy back. Oh my god, yeah,

994
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 2: because it fits with this guy, because on his bookshelf

995
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 2: for all these books by pickup artists, he's that guy.

996
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: So he'd use psychological war games against these women all

997
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: his life, basically conning them into aiding his obsessions.

998
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: He didn't think it was weird. It like he had

999
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: all these books.

1000
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently they weren't looking at his bookshelf so they

1001
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 2: didn't notice. He was like this amateur pimp trying to

1002
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: buy an arsenal with their money. And then one day,

1003
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: obviously he died. So that's when all this like the

1004
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: cult leader like hold he has on them, it comes apart, right,

1005
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,479
Speaker 2: But he'd prepared them for the moment of his death.

1006
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 2: So when he died, Catherine Debron Gorn as I told you,

1007
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 2: she wrapped his body and blankets, hauled his dead body

1008
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 2: into the suv where she loaded it down with bags

1009
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: of dry eyes. Then she grabbed Don Marie and they

1010
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 2: cut right. No secret blacks off. Super Spy agency comes

1011
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: to retrieve the body. So, now faced with the reality

1012
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: of his rotting Corpselebron Goron has to call her lawyer

1013
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: when she gets back and she's like, can you make

1014
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 2: this go away? Meanwhile, she goes and she hides her

1015
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: assistant who did know too much and she was worried

1016
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: that she may talk not about super spy guy's secrets,

1017
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 2: shape shifting aliens. She just knew too much about what

1018
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 2: was going down in this condo. Yeah, like, oh, she's

1019
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 2: a liability.

1020
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: So he told her that he he says to the Catherine,

1021
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: when I die, that is the most agent of chaos

1022
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: move and I love it.

1023
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 2: I thought that'd be going in your will, some weird

1024
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 2: thing you've got to do, like it involves chemistry and

1025
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: like blankets.

1026
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: It's body in an suv and the Feds will come

1027
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: get it. One last, last, one, last agent of chaos moment.

1028
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: So the La County Coroner's office, right, they eventually release

1029
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 2: autopsy report. Okay, yeah, and as if they wanted to

1030
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: keep the flames of conspiracy theories going, no cause of

1031
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: death was listed. Oh interesting, And also they did not

1032
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: list if he was a half alien human hybrid or not.

1033
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 2: They didn't clear that up, so yeah, but there you

1034
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: have it. So Jeffrey Allen lash he's this charming, delusional,

1035
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: exploitative con man who convinces people he was an alien superspy.

1036
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: Some how, this cover story works for more than a

1037
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 2: decade to afford him one of the nicest lives I've

1038
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 2: heard about in a long time, and one of the

1039
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: most expensive places to live in the world. He got

1040
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: to entertain his obsessions, he got to go and like

1041
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: you know, eat well, he got out, had a lot

1042
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: of love being thrown at him. He was just bumping

1043
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: some justin Timberlake whenever.

1044
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: He wanted feeling it.

1045
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: So anyway, all these people, they somehow decided to express

1046
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: their love for each other in guns, which.

1047
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: Is just yea, that is weird to me.

1048
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: Think they're all like, I love you, here's money for

1049
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 2: a gun. Oh, I love you, Thank you for the gun.

1050
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: So in the end, Elizabeth, there's really not much mystery

1051
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 2: to this one. It's one of the most terrestrial stories

1052
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: you'll ever hear. Yeah, man emotionally manipulates others to pay

1053
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 2: for his paranoia and arm himself for a war that

1054
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: never comes. It's about a human of a story you

1055
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 2: ever hear. So it's a ridiculous takeaway here, Elizabeth, oh Man.

1056
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, sometimes we find ourselves in

1057
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: situations and you're so deep into it that you can't

1058
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: see how preposterous things yes, And then it's like if

1059
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: you tell someone actually, hear the words coming out of

1060
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: your mouth, not that I've ever been in that such

1061
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: hear the words coming out of your mouth, and you're

1062
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: like each word, You're like, oh my god.

1063
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:09,959
Speaker 2: Okay, now I hear.

1064
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: It, now I hear it. Now. Yeah. So I you know,

1065
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: I we we look at these ladies and we're like,

1066
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 1: what in the you know? But like, I mean, this

1067
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: is a severe case of it. And I feel like

1068
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: they heard it out loud and still were like, yep,

1069
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: a lizard.

1070
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 2: Boyfriend, gotta keep a secret, keep it safe.

1071
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: Aaron, what's ridiculous takeaway?

1072
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: Oh Man? Let me just luxuriate in this moment, right.

1073
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 2: I don't have one, Okay, so there you go, makes sense. Yeah,

1074
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 2: actually I do have one, tiny one, yeah, which is

1075
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: like I think that, uh, money is a really interesting

1076
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 2: thing because you give it to people and they rarely

1077
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: seem to do anything to help themselves or make the

1078
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 2: world better. They just do weird stuff, and they do

1079
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 2: controlling things, and they do like, oh, wish fulfillment. Like

1080
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Speaker 2: when I was a kid, I never could have this.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go get this. But it's never like, hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go help these people. I mean, like, I

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Speaker 2: know there are people who are like that, but they

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Speaker 2: don't tend to be the ones who get the money.

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Speaker 2: It's the these people who are like, I'm gonna get money.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, what'd you do with it? I bought a

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Speaker 2: bunch of guns.

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Speaker 1: I never used well that it was a twelve hundred guns.

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Speaker 1: You're not on.

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Speaker 2: Fire all them. You probably didn't touch all of them.

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Speaker 1: No, And it's like it's not for I mean maybe

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Speaker 1: one is for home.

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Speaker 2: Protection too, Yeah, you only have two hands.

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Speaker 1: But the rest it's like, what are you what? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess it's it's a collector.

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Speaker 2: Thirty mm I got an invader. No, that's a thirty

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Speaker 2: And I've.

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Speaker 1: Said I don't understand collector mindset, and but at the

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Speaker 1: same and like I can get like if you have

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Speaker 1: a couple things, sure, but twelve hundred of anything. I

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Speaker 1: don't care if it's guns, anything.

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Speaker 2: Anything that's not rice. I'm like, dude, you got a problem.

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Speaker 1: That's well.

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Speaker 2: As always, we appreciate you listening to us, But before

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Speaker 2: we go, should we do a talkback? Elizabeth?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Please?

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Speaker 2: All right, pretty you can hit us up with the talkback.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I w.

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 5: Elizabeth Zaren and producer d. This is Caitlin from Madison, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 5: I just heard you mentioned the pickle witch at Jimmy

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Speaker 5: Jones and I had to stop what I was doing

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Speaker 5: and go get one. My first observation is it is

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Speaker 5: cold to the touch, as you might imagine. It's a

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Speaker 5: pickle on the outside instead of bread. I'm about to

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Speaker 5: try it and I'll let you know how it is. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 5: it's Kaitlin testing the pickle Witch Part two. It is

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Speaker 5: as you might expect, very juicy. I now have pickle

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Speaker 5: juice all over my jeans. But it's not about alternative.

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Speaker 5: If you don't want bread, why not have a pickle

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Speaker 5: instead of lettuce? It was quite tasty. I must say

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Speaker 5: I liked it. Thanks for the show. Love listening to

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Speaker 5: you guys. Hope you're doing great. Love from the Midwest.

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Speaker 1: Bye, Hey, Caitlin, come on now, you're amazing.

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Speaker 2: That great taking one for the team seriously.

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Speaker 1: And I love that. It's like cold and damp, but

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Speaker 1: it is. It is a curious tempted.

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Speaker 2: I would try one. Probably have to not have pickle

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Speaker 2: juice on my jeans because that'd be a bit weird

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Speaker 2: for me.

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Speaker 1: He's such a trooper.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing and I love her well.

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Speaker 2: As always, you can find us online at Ridiculous Crime

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Speaker 2: on the social media's and now we're on blue Sky,

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Speaker 2: so check that out. And we have our website ridiculous

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Speaker 2: Crime dot com where we have lots of new merch

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Speaker 2: if you need something to hold your hot beverages or

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Speaker 2: to cozy your up to your body. Also, we love

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Speaker 2: will hear your voice here. And of course you can

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Speaker 2: email us if you like it, Ridiculous Crime at gmail

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Speaker 2: dot com. As always, start the email Dear producer d

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Speaker 2: thanks for listening. We will catch you next crime. Ridiculous

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Speaker 2: Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaron Burnett, produced

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