Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2: Welcome to move sticks.
Speaker 3: I am Bucky Brooks with my man lance Z joining
Speaker 3: me feeling and for Daniel, Jeremiah and Elz, today is
Speaker 3: a fun day because we got the playoffs ahead. But
Speaker 3: rather than do a traditional playoff preview that everybody in
Speaker 3: their mom is going to do, we want to preview
Speaker 3: the playoffs by using the quarterbacks kind of as the
Speaker 3: lynchpin to who we believe is going to have an
Speaker 3: opportunity to go far in the tournament. So what I
Speaker 3: want to do is we're going to talk about the
Speaker 3: fourteen quarterbacks that are in the playoffs. We're going to
Speaker 3: rank them in tiers. So we have four tiers. We
Speaker 3: have Tier one being the elites, Tier two being Jeff
Speaker 3: shat greatness these quarterbacks and knocking on the door of
Speaker 3: being elite. Tier three they're hot right now, but can
Speaker 3: they handle the playoff pressure? And Tier four unpredictable with
Speaker 3: some question marks. And so Lance I'm gonna let's throw
Speaker 3: out a quarterbacks. Let's talk about like in the AFC,
Speaker 3: we got Pat Mahomes, we have Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 3: c Shrowd, Justin Herbert Russell, Wilson, and bow Nicks. In
Speaker 3: the NFC, we got Jerry Goff, Dalon Hurts, Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford, Sam Donald, Jaden Daniels, and Jordan Love and
Speaker 3: so overall, what are your thoughts on the quarterbacks that
Speaker 3: are in the postseason tournament? Do you have a strong
Speaker 3: field or opinion all the guys they meet?
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 1: If we're gonna turn this out, you know, the elite
Speaker 1: quarterbacks to me, there are three and they're all in
Speaker 1: the AFC, and they're all one, two three. I know
Speaker 1: this hasn't been Pat mahomes best year, but out of respect,
Speaker 1: there's really nothing else that you can do but expect
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes to show up at big moment. So I
Speaker 1: would say, you know, Mahomes, Seash Allen, and Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: are in that tier one group.
Speaker 4: Is there anyone that you would add or.
Speaker 2: Some dreamy and saucy.
Speaker 3: So when we talk about the elites, the guys that
Speaker 3: are there, I agree with you in those three have
Speaker 3: my homes. Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson certainly is there. If
Speaker 3: there is someone that I would say is kind of
Speaker 3: on the line, This is tough because I go back
Speaker 3: and forth between like Justin Herbert and Jerry Goff. And
Speaker 3: the reason why I say Justin Herbert being the guy
Speaker 3: that I kind of put on that line is take
Speaker 3: the numbers.
Speaker 2: Away from this year.
Speaker 3: We've seen in previous years that Justin Herbert has played
Speaker 3: at that level. We've seen this year when they've had
Speaker 3: to rely on him to make plays, he's done it.
Speaker 3: I will put him in that Tier one category and
Speaker 3: I'll fight anybody else who says he shouldn't be in there.
Speaker 3: I just feel like talent wise, he has all of
Speaker 3: that and this is going to be a showcase opportunity
Speaker 3: for him to join in that conversation as being one
Speaker 3: of the elites at the position.
Speaker 1: One means that you can put the team on your back, though, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: go full great Jennings and put the whole team on you.
Speaker 4: You got that ability.
Speaker 1: You're good with him, Okay, because I know the other
Speaker 1: three can do it.
Speaker 2: The other three we've seen we've seen do it.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, look, okay, so you know what, I'll drop
Speaker 3: Herbert down to tier two. But if we're talking about
Speaker 3: the criteria for being elite is putting the team on
Speaker 3: the back.
Speaker 2: And then that means Jayde Daniels come on into the
Speaker 2: to the room.
Speaker 3: Because if that's the criterion, we Jayde Daniels has to
Speaker 3: come because we saw Jaydon Daniels put the Commanders on
Speaker 3: his back. He's looking he's Deck of the year. He
Speaker 3: was in the conversation for most of the season about
Speaker 3: being MVP until he hurt his ribs, and then at
Speaker 3: Lance when he got back healthy and they needed him,
Speaker 3: he's done that. I mean when I look at this
Speaker 3: commander's team for the elite players, I mean when you
Speaker 3: talking about Terry McLaurin, he doesn't have to really run
Speaker 3: into blackfield. The offensive line is an elite I mean, look,
Speaker 3: this dude is is kind of pulling rapids out of hats.
Speaker 3: So if anyone deserves to go in there, I would
Speaker 3: say that there are four guys those three that you
Speaker 3: mentioned in the AFC that.
Speaker 2: Mahomes, Josh and Lauren Jackson and then j Dands. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Jay and Danis has to be in there.
Speaker 4: I remind you my quarterback C. J. Stroud, he's in
Speaker 4: Tier four right now. Yeah, and that man was up
Speaker 4: having the same time.
Speaker 1: We were having the same conversations about CJ last year
Speaker 1: headed end of this year, and now CJ's in the unpredictable.
Speaker 4: With question marks. I mean, and I'm getting real, that's
Speaker 4: what that's what it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's where he is.
Speaker 3: So I've seen the tier ones are the guys that
Speaker 3: we talked about having super hero powers, Pat Mahomes, Josh Allen,
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson, and then my bonus fake is gonna be
Speaker 3: Jane Daniels. He gets into it. So now let's now
Speaker 3: let's go tier two. Because I talked about just Herbert,
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna put justin Herbert in tier two.
Speaker 2: Who deserves to be in that tier category.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go, I would say Herbert Golf. I mean,
Speaker 1: I take tier two very serious. So I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: Herbert off. I think you have to go Stafford out
Speaker 1: of respect for the game.
Speaker 4: And the game that.
Speaker 1: He can play like he can have those big games.
Speaker 1: And then I got to decide if I'm going to
Speaker 1: put hurts are Love there, and I'm gonna say, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say, you know what, No, I'm not putting anyone
Speaker 1: else there.
Speaker 4: I'm done.
Speaker 3: Okay, So so we have Herbert, we have Golf, and
Speaker 3: we have Stafford.
Speaker 2: Those are the three. Those are the three that we
Speaker 2: have in Tier two.
Speaker 4: So Tier two.
Speaker 1: Is defined as it has been defined Tier two. Just
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks are knocking on the door of elite status. Now,
Speaker 1: obviously you can't really say that about Matt Stafford because
Speaker 1: he's an older quarterback, But in terms of can he
Speaker 1: rise to the occasion to have an elite game, because
Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about in the you know when
Speaker 1: once you get in the playoffs, I think he could
Speaker 1: still put together a big game. Yes, I think Herbert
Speaker 1: for sure is there. You have to put Jared Goff there.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Some people would argue with me about Stafford versus Love
Speaker 1: or Stafford versus Hearts, and I think it's a legitimate argument.
Speaker 4: I think it's a legitimate argument.
Speaker 2: Now, look, I think we're good.
Speaker 3: So like I think Herbert, Golf and Stafford, I would
Speaker 3: say yes to all of them.
Speaker 2: And in fact, I know.
Speaker 3: We could talk about Mayfield playing Gray, Sam Donald playing great,
Speaker 3: but then we're talking about being elite. Yeah, I think
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with it. I think it's I think
Speaker 3: it's really tight. I think I think that's it. I
Speaker 3: think we it's debatable about the others. But if we're
Speaker 3: that means you ain't in the category because it should
Speaker 3: be clearly obvious. So all right, So we have four
Speaker 3: guys and Tier one home Mahomes Allan, Jackson Daniels. Tier two,
Speaker 3: we have Herbert Golf and Stafford Tier three, which is
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm gonna switch it up.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna switch it up.
Speaker 1: Let's do Tier four first and then everyone else left
Speaker 1: is tier three? Okay, because I want to see I
Speaker 1: want to put you to the test and see who
Speaker 1: you believe is.
Speaker 4: The definition is unpredictable with.
Speaker 1: Question marks like where do you put where do you
Speaker 1: put CJ. Stroud, Where do you put Russell Wilson, Where
Speaker 1: do you put Sam I'm thinking Sam Donald's going to
Speaker 1: be Tier three obviously the only he played.
Speaker 4: Who do you think is tier four? Those guys that
Speaker 4: you think.
Speaker 3: Now you're gonna unpredicted that you're gonna have them mad
Speaker 3: at me. Now I'm gonna get shouted out after the game.
Speaker 3: They're gonna be they be talking to the sideline reporter.
Speaker 2: That's a game.
Speaker 5: But Brooks, looky, I saw you handle that guy from
Speaker 5: U c l A. Back in the day after he
Speaker 5: stared at you. I'm not worried about you. I'm not
Speaker 5: worried about you. I've seen you deal with those guys.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's see, all right, So we're talking about the unable. Look,
Speaker 3: so Russell Wilson has to be there, based on how
Speaker 3: they're playing right now.
Speaker 1: C J.
Speaker 3: Stroud has to be in that conversation. Unpredictable with question
Speaker 3: marks I'm putting.
Speaker 1: I'm putting Nixon there, man, I don't know what.
Speaker 6: He put it down against the Kansas City Chiefs. I'm
Speaker 6: putting Nickson all the Kansas City Chiefs, they put it down.
Speaker 6: They barely even suited up for that game. All right,
Speaker 6: it gets there.
Speaker 4: We had to get the Bengals up out of there,
Speaker 4: all right. So we got two dates. Okay, so we
Speaker 4: c J.
Speaker 2: Straw, Russell Wilson, bow Knicks.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say, bo Nicks, I don't know about you.
Speaker 5: Bucky, but i'm gonna say I haven't seen them playing
Speaker 5: this kind of rookies in these big games.
Speaker 4: It's rough, it's rough. And where does he go?
Speaker 2: Mm hmm?
Speaker 4: All right, old weather Buffalo?
Speaker 2: All right, So we got bow Knicks in force. And
Speaker 2: now what we're saying is the guy.
Speaker 4: We don't.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm to make it out I'm coming with you. Hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 3: no no argument, no argument for me. But I'm just
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, I just want to make sure because
Speaker 3: I'm putting this out there for the universe, and I
Speaker 3: want to make sure you feel okay about when they
Speaker 3: when they start, they start me and Muggy you and
Speaker 3: they start talking about and Zarren wrote this.
Speaker 2: But I didn't right back and all that. I just
Speaker 2: want to make sure you're okay, okay being the coming
Speaker 2: after you.
Speaker 4: I've already I've already got that Matt Jorden.
Speaker 1: I'm his enemy for life because he thought I had
Speaker 1: a bad scatter report on him. Supposedly Juju Smith huesh
Speaker 1: Or retweeted him running for a long touchdown. I circled
Speaker 1: my scatter import and said he didn't have long speed,
Speaker 1: which he doesn't and didn't.
Speaker 2: I was right.
Speaker 1: And then I've got dk Metcalf, who I gave the
Speaker 1: highest grade of anybody like in the whole draft to sphere.
Speaker 1: He's got my weaknesses cut out and put in his locker.
Speaker 1: I'm used to Bucky, Okay.
Speaker 3: I'm not you'd be getting to smoke from folks talking
Speaker 3: fucking bad about it.
Speaker 2: You're getting.
Speaker 1: Hey, once you put out one mock draft on NFL
Speaker 1: dot com and the NFL retweets it, you will never.
Speaker 4: Have most more smoke in your entire life. You know
Speaker 4: that you're right. I feel comfortable putting I.
Speaker 1: Feel comfortable putting Sam Darnold and and and uh Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield in the third category, the hot players. I feel
Speaker 1: comfortable with them being I think they're a perfect fit
Speaker 1: from tier three.
Speaker 4: I'm curious though, on like.
Speaker 1: Love, once we get to love Hurts, who else whom
Speaker 1: I'm missing here loving Hurts?
Speaker 4: I guess Love and Hurts?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 4: Are they tier three? We bump them in a tier two?
Speaker 3: I can't put them in. I can't put them into two.
Speaker 3: I can't put them knocking on the door to delete.
Speaker 4: So I don't either. If that's the definition, I can't do.
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't say they knocking on the door.
Speaker 2: M hmm.
Speaker 3: Man, I look, I think I think that's where we
Speaker 3: act though. I think we have to put Hurts Love
Speaker 3: in that category, like they've been high. But then we
Speaker 3: got to see how they're gonna handle the playoff freshure, right,
Speaker 3: I mean unless you unless you're trying to drop them
Speaker 3: down to unpredictable with some question marks.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't really have some you can't. I
Speaker 4: guess you could try to make that argument if you want.
Speaker 1: Some people might argue that for Jalen Hurts because you
Speaker 1: know some issues in the playoffs at the time.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't do that right now.
Speaker 2: So you've heard Love overhears or hears, so.
Speaker 1: I would personally put well, I think Love can control
Speaker 1: the game potentially with passing, but I think of the
Speaker 1: two teams, I feel better with how Hurts doesn't have
Speaker 1: to do as much.
Speaker 4: So it's that I think.
Speaker 1: Because you don't just like Justin Herbert doesn't have to
Speaker 1: do as much as he used to, which has made
Speaker 1: him a better quarterback.
Speaker 4: Josh Allen, the running game has.
Speaker 1: Improved this year, so in a weird way, it's taken
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure off of him.
Speaker 4: He still performs at a high level.
Speaker 1: He does the same things he's always done, but he
Speaker 1: didn't feel that same pressure.
Speaker 4: I think Jordan Love feels a tremendous well.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he feels the pressure, but it's there,
Speaker 1: like he's got to do a lot for them to win,
Speaker 1: and I don't think you know the team that he's playing.
Speaker 1: I don't think Hurts has to do as much to win.
Speaker 1: So I think Hurts can kind of free stroke it
Speaker 1: out there. I think he can play loose and free,
Speaker 1: and I think with Love, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put him both than three though, but I would put
Speaker 1: Hurts above Love just for this playoff run.
Speaker 2: Okay, So we got Bakery. We got Baker Mayfield in there, right,
Speaker 2: we feel good about.
Speaker 4: We got Baker's gonna be Bakers. Who would you put ahead? Okay?
Speaker 1: So if we're ranking them, so we're ranking the top four,
Speaker 1: how are you ranking those.
Speaker 2: Four quarterbacks the top four?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And there in group three, we got Hurts, we got Love,
Speaker 1: we got Baker, we got Sam Darnald.
Speaker 4: How you how you sack.
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: Baker's is right on the line because I think Baker
Speaker 3: is Baker's smoking right now, like he's bumping up against
Speaker 3: the tier two situation. So I would go Baker first,
Speaker 3: then Sam Murs, I think.
Speaker 2: Then I would say Love and then Hurts.
Speaker 4: Baker really is playing well that that Lion's game shaped
Speaker 4: a little bit with Sam.
Speaker 2: Donald, He's blowing leaves.
Speaker 3: Me in fact, man, when you really look at the
Speaker 3: season that Baker had, Man, you can talk about you
Speaker 3: can talk about Baker being right up in Tier two
Speaker 3: almost man like. He's I mean, the way he's played, he's,
Speaker 3: you know what, Baker like. I think I'm gonna move
Speaker 3: Baker up to Tier two. I think I'm gonna move Baker.
Speaker 3: Baker had forty five yard I think I think I think.
Speaker 4: We were done with Baker. The league was the league
Speaker 4: was done with Baker.
Speaker 1: He was just they somehow scraped him off the sidewalk
Speaker 1: to play for the Rams and he pulled pulled that
Speaker 1: Rams went out of his out of his hat.
Speaker 4: Two years ago.
Speaker 2: I remember that body.
Speaker 4: I mean, it was like for Baker, good for Baker.
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 3: And that is the lesson to be learned when we
Speaker 3: talk about the quarterbacks and those things. Hey man, that
Speaker 3: thing is not easy, and sometimes you got to give
Speaker 3: guys opportunities to find their way to other situations. And
Speaker 3: Baker found a home and it's really worked out for him.
Speaker 4: Let's let's look at that eighteen draft again.
Speaker 1: Now, two years ago, we would have said, Josh Lamar
Speaker 1: and a bunch of trash. What you're saying, is Josh
Speaker 1: and Lamar guys. Baker Mayfield, what a resurgence, what a
Speaker 1: what a good quarterback he is. And look at Sam Darnold.
Speaker 1: He just needed to have right play caller, the right
Speaker 1: pieces around him.
Speaker 4: And now you're just.
Speaker 1: Left with Joshua what's his name, Josh Josh Rosen. I mean,
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen's out. But those other four guys now, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the twenty eighteen quarterback draft. So it
Speaker 1: looks a lot different, doesn't.
Speaker 2: It looks a lot different, And it tells you about
Speaker 2: a couple of things.
Speaker 3: He tells you about the patience that you need to
Speaker 3: have for quarterback, but it also how important the environment,
Speaker 3: the situation is. Right environment, right situation, right play called,
Speaker 3: all these guys can have success.
Speaker 1: But I do think that Alan, I think Josh Allen
Speaker 1: and Lamar, I think they transcend. I think they transcend
Speaker 1: where they are, like, I think they could be these
Speaker 1: guys wherever you put them. Eventually, as long as you
Speaker 1: put decent pieces around them, I think those guys are
Speaker 1: going to be special. There's very that to me, those
Speaker 1: are the guys that should get paid the biggest money.
Speaker 1: Like right now, the NFL has a mode where they
Speaker 1: next up. I guess you're just next up to get
Speaker 1: fifty million.
Speaker 4: Want to operate that way. Baseball is like, no, if
Speaker 4: you're not that good, you don't get paid like that.
Speaker 1: Realistically, the guys at that stat at that level that
Speaker 1: can succeed through adversity, can succeed no matter where they are,
Speaker 1: that are special. I mean, I know we got three
Speaker 1: of them for sure that are all playing in the AFC.
Speaker 1: They're in the AFC playoffs. I think maybe you put both.
Speaker 1: You maybe have to put Joe Burrow there, as long
Speaker 1: as he's healthy. Joe Burrow looks like he's got that special.
Speaker 1: We're waiting to see it on Jayden Daniels. You made
Speaker 1: a case for him. I got to see it happen
Speaker 1: for for two to three years because I'm worried after
Speaker 1: what happened with CJ.
Speaker 4: Stroud this year. But it just goes to show you that, man,
Speaker 4: you can want those.
Speaker 1: You can want the next Josh Allen.
Speaker 4: And everyone loves to throw Josh a dray may he
Speaker 4: can next Josh Allen. You could also be chasing a unicorn.
Speaker 4: So there's not a lot of those.
Speaker 1: Not a lot of Josh Allen's running aund There's not
Speaker 1: a lot of Lamar Jackson's. There's definitely not a lot
Speaker 1: of Pat Mahomes running around. And so we got Jayden
Speaker 1: to Lamar, we got I guess Drake may maybe to
Speaker 1: Josh Allen would be the comparison. And then we had
Speaker 1: the Caleb Williams and Patrick Mahomes. Those are rough comparisons, man,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a high, high bar.
Speaker 7: You gotta and so if you're gonna set that bar,
Speaker 7: you better help them coaching, help them with offensive line,
Speaker 7: and help them with being patient.
Speaker 4: And that's the lesson of that eighteen draft.
Speaker 1: But no one's given Baker Mayfield five six years, like
Speaker 1: no one's given Sam that must say. It's just if
Speaker 1: you're in a bad situation and you can't do it,
Speaker 1: gotta go, gotta go.
Speaker 3: That's the way it is. Is It is such an
Speaker 3: interesting thing. That's fascinating. I can't wait to kind of
Speaker 3: see how it plays out. Interesting conversation. So Lance, we'll
Speaker 3: come back after the break. Let's talk about the NFLPA
Speaker 3: All Pro lists, all right, Lance, So the nfl PA
Speaker 3: just release their all pro teams for the twenty twenty
Speaker 3: four season.
Speaker 2: On offense, we'll go through it.
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson, you have Brock Bowers, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson,
Speaker 3: Takwon Barkley, Cal's you check, Tristan Wirfs, Joe Touney, Benna Sewell,
Speaker 3: Chris Linstrom, and Create Humphrey. On defense, the first team
Speaker 3: features Christ Jones, Jalen Carter, Trey Hendrickson, Miles Garrett, Dexter,
Speaker 3: Lawrence Roklan Smith, Fred Warner.
Speaker 2: Any Cayle Hamilton, and Pat Sortan Any.
Speaker 4: You can't score on you cannot score on that. You
Speaker 4: don't think we score well, we're not scoring on that.
Speaker 2: D So let's let's let's talk about Let's talk about
Speaker 2: the offense first. So Lamar Jackson gets.
Speaker 4: Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, this offense is pretty strong.
Speaker 2: I mean you were talking about that he scored. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what you mean, I can't.
Speaker 4: I need I need to see that game. I mean
Speaker 4: I need to see I want that. I want that game.
Speaker 2: I mean looked at the fascinating things.
Speaker 3: So the first thing that stands out to me, Lance,
Speaker 3: how about rock bout you know, doing the draft process.
Speaker 3: I know we always talk about like best player available,
Speaker 3: and for a lot of us, brought powers was one
Speaker 3: of the two three best players in the draft, and
Speaker 3: he drops goes out up ten. But then he comes
Speaker 3: and he plays. He is everything that we talked about.
Speaker 3: What do you think about his season in Las Vegas?
Speaker 4: Incredible?
Speaker 1: It's not like like you knew Brock was going to
Speaker 1: get the ball and it didn't matter. He went in there,
Speaker 1: and then we have to have those conversations about where
Speaker 1: your draft tight ends and the value of tight end
Speaker 1: is not good in the first round, and you know,
Speaker 1: and then he comes out and has over one hundred catches,
Speaker 1: over a thousand yards receiving, He breaks all these rookie records.
Speaker 4: He arguably is the offensive Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 1: He won't win it, but I mean, if you want
Speaker 1: to just go by numbers, rock Bowers is your winner,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Jayden, and I think Jayden deserves to
Speaker 1: win it this year. But you can make a case
Speaker 1: for Brock and have no problem. Brock is an all Pro.
Speaker 1: Brock is an all role and he's not gonna win
Speaker 1: Offensive Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 4: Let that sink. My man is the one in the league.
Speaker 2: He is, and win in the league.
Speaker 3: And you're right, And I made a case a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks ago on my notebook on NFL dot com.
Speaker 2: Dad, Look, he should be certainly a contingent, he should
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 3: But the end that Jayden Daniels reappeared, and Jayden Daniels
Speaker 3: just does the thing. I mean, he put the thing.
Speaker 3: He put the whammy on the Eagles to clinch your
Speaker 3: playoff berth. And then he comes back to knock up
Speaker 3: to the Cowboys. He continues to do his thing and
Speaker 3: went healthy. This dude is dynamic.
Speaker 2: And look, man, we can.
Speaker 3: Talk about Lamar Jackson all the wonderful things that Lamar
Speaker 3: Jackson was able to do, but the rookie Jaye Daniels
Speaker 3: was more polished as a passer and playmaker than Lamar
Speaker 3: Jackson was at this stage. And I love what ja
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson was able to do in terms of his
Speaker 3: dynamic playmaking ability. How he may be a three time
Speaker 3: MVP if they look at the numbers as opposed to
Speaker 3: the story that has been the field good story that
Speaker 3: Josh Allen has been, It's going to be interesting.
Speaker 2: Saikamon Barkley, Look.
Speaker 3: I think it is fascinated that he is up there
Speaker 3: two thousand yard season. They sat him out the last game,
Speaker 3: he potentially could have broke the record, but to Eric
Speaker 3: Dickerson's delight, they sat him out and so Ed is
Speaker 3: able to hold on to the record. But look, it's
Speaker 3: just fascinating. And we talked about the lineman. I mean,
Speaker 3: Tristan Wurston missed some games, but he's up there, benne Sewel,
Speaker 3: Chris Linstrom, Greet Humphrey, all of those guys are in
Speaker 3: the mix.
Speaker 2: Defensively, though, we talked about that man, Jalen.
Speaker 3: Carter and what he's been able to do for the
Speaker 3: Philadelphia Eagles, the fact that he is an All Pro.
Speaker 3: When we throw grays on players and we talked about
Speaker 3: those top five, top teen grades. We're throwing those grades
Speaker 3: forecasting that those guys are going to be All pros
Speaker 3: early in their career. Jalen Carter has been all that
Speaker 3: in a bag of.
Speaker 4: Chips right away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has Trey Hendrickson, you know, Miles Garretts, Miles
Speaker 1: Garrett's he's one on one. I mean, he's you know,
Speaker 1: he'll go down as one of the great pass rushers
Speaker 1: of all time. But Trey Hendrickson has was unbelievable and
Speaker 1: you know, you and I will be doing draft stuff
Speaker 1: down the road, but it just goes to show you.
Speaker 1: I mean I remember watching Trey Hendrickson at the East
Speaker 1: West Shrine game and like, man, that dude's got a
Speaker 1: nice spin move. Hey, he just kind of knows his
Speaker 1: way around the pocket. He's got feel as a rusher.
Speaker 1: They come from anywhere, They come from everywhere. Chris Jones
Speaker 1: was the late first, Jayleen Carter was a dude, Miles
Speaker 1: Garrett was a dude. Extra Lawrence was a dude. Trey
Speaker 1: Hendrickson was like a fourth rounder. So they can come
Speaker 1: from anywhere. Max Crosby, who did not make the list,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's kind of like Trey Hendrickson. You know,
Speaker 1: those dudes are built a little different. They just their
Speaker 1: mentality is different. They're talented and they just play with
Speaker 1: like just a tenaciousness as rushers that you know you
Speaker 1: match it with the skill and uh and you can
Speaker 1: go find guys. But it is it's interesting. I look
Speaker 1: at both the offensive defense like it's a mixture of
Speaker 1: dudes coming out and then guys like there was no
Speaker 1: doubt on Saquan Lamar, Well, Lamar had questions, but Saquan Jamar,
Speaker 1: Chase rock Bauers Tristan Wurf like Piney Sewel.
Speaker 4: But then you run into Chris lin Linstrom who was
Speaker 4: the second round guard, and you run into Joe Toney,
Speaker 4: and then you know the Trey Hendrickson. So you know
Speaker 4: Fred Warner. I remember watching Fred Warner.
Speaker 1: Like, man, this guy, I'm gonna put him in a
Speaker 1: fourth I bet he could be a good backup and maybe.
Speaker 4: An eventual starter. I really like him.
Speaker 5: And then you know he has he has a good
Speaker 5: backup to eventual starter.
Speaker 1: I thought he had a chance to become an eventual
Speaker 1: an eventual starter. Instead he's the most dynamic linebacker in
Speaker 1: the game today. And then you know, I think it's
Speaker 1: another interesting point is it's Patzertan who me was the
Speaker 1: cleanest corner that I've written in ten years since I've
Speaker 1: been doing this here at NFL dot com. Then you
Speaker 1: have Derek Stingley, who the Singly Sauce thing was getting
Speaker 1: Houston was ready to run Nick Caserio out of town
Speaker 1: because you have sauce.
Speaker 4: Look how good sauce is. Now fast forward.
Speaker 1: You know, three years, and Derek Stingley right now is
Speaker 1: the better player of those two guys, and he's playing
Speaker 1: at a ridiculous level. And of course Kyle Hamilton, who
Speaker 1: I had as the number one player on my board,
Speaker 1: just ahead of Aiden Hutchinson. Kyle Hamilton has been an
Speaker 1: unbelievable difference maker over there.
Speaker 2: He has been an unbelievable difference maker.
Speaker 3: Making the move to free safety has been everything for them,
Speaker 3: you know, in terms of just giving him a stability
Speaker 3: and what it shows you lance. Like a lot of
Speaker 3: times when we get into the comment and we start
Speaker 3: working about we start talking about speed and length and
Speaker 3: all of these things that are measurable and you have
Speaker 3: to have those. Sometimes it takes away from what we
Speaker 3: fall in love with on tape. And Kylar Hamilton was
Speaker 3: a top five player on tape and we got caught
Speaker 3: up in the workouts and those things, and he was
Speaker 3: a top five player on tape at free safety, and
Speaker 3: when they moved him back to his natural position, he's
Speaker 3: been nothing short sensational and it's one of the reasons
Speaker 3: why this.
Speaker 2: Defense has played better down the stretch.
Speaker 3: He's given them that impact player in the middle of
Speaker 3: the field and it's worked out for them.
Speaker 2: And it's just a lesson.
Speaker 3: When we talk about like the draft and the tape
Speaker 3: and all that I'll say this and we can't technically
Speaker 3: do it, but we should do it. Put your pencils
Speaker 3: down before you get to the combine because everything that
Speaker 3: happens from combine through the workouts only influence you. It
Speaker 3: takes away from what you really believed when you watch
Speaker 3: the tape. So if you're one of these guys that
Speaker 3: loves to do the work and all that, get all
Speaker 3: the work done before the combine, because after the combine,
Speaker 3: the numbers can influence you to believe one way or
Speaker 3: the other. Did the player is not as good as
Speaker 3: you think or is even better than you thought based
Speaker 3: on watching the tape.
Speaker 2: Watching the tape first, don't let the numbers way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point because the numbers the workouts have,
Speaker 1: you know, they have created doubt with people. It happened
Speaker 1: to uh despite the fact that he looked like a
Speaker 1: Greek god and ran really, really fast, there were people
Speaker 1: who convinced himself the DK Metcalf's three condrill was the
Speaker 1: end of the world.
Speaker 2: Look got bad.
Speaker 4: This guy's three condrell is he will never be a
Speaker 4: good wide receiver.
Speaker 1: And then the list of wide receivers who got drafted
Speaker 1: ahead of.
Speaker 4: Him was criminal uh, in some elements, you know, in
Speaker 4: some regards, so yeah, you gotta you gotta, you can't be.
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing, scouting with your ears. That's
Speaker 1: a big problem too. When you have a belief and
Speaker 1: you start getting different input than what you're thinking, you
Speaker 1: have a tendency to.
Speaker 4: Kind of challenge your own thoughts and it's sending it.
Speaker 1: Funny, Bucky, how often we go back a year or
Speaker 1: two later and said, I knew I was right on
Speaker 1: this guy.
Speaker 4: I knew I was right.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: It is funny how they goes like you know you're right,
Speaker 3: you don't trust it. You talk to so many different people,
Speaker 3: you can't get swayed by the group I think. You know,
Speaker 3: it takes you off of the players that you truly
Speaker 3: to believe in. But man, sometimes you have to write
Speaker 3: these little things down on note cards and put them
Speaker 3: away and tuck them away before the combine and then
Speaker 3: go back to them the week or two leading to
Speaker 3: the draft. The guys that you love, the list of
Speaker 3: players that you really love, because ultimately the ones that
Speaker 3: you fell in love with on tape are gonna be
Speaker 3: the ones that you uh fall in love with again.
Speaker 3: When we started seeing them at the NFL love mm hmm.
Speaker 4: It's interesting because Chris Jones was that guy for me.
Speaker 4: I watched him against.
Speaker 1: LSU and I saw him do things against LSU that
Speaker 1: I thought this humans shouldn't be able to do that,
Speaker 1: But he didn't have you know, there wasn't a lot
Speaker 1: of There wasn't a lot of And plus I love
Speaker 1: the traits, but he's a little upright.
Speaker 4: When he played, his pad level was a little high.
Speaker 1: When guys do things that are freaky against good opponents,
Speaker 1: it's real. I mean it's real when Darius Leonard aka
Speaker 1: Shack Leonard, when he fills up every statistical category known
Speaker 1: to man, but then he gets heard, doesn't run a
Speaker 1: forty or whatever and falls in the draft and him
Speaker 1: becomes an All Pro his rookie year. Now granted, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's I think he's out of the
Speaker 1: league completely right now, as as in Devon White too,
Speaker 1: so his linebackers don't last as long.
Speaker 4: But man, when they burn, they burn bright, they.
Speaker 1: Burn really right, especially if they played and ro Colan
Speaker 1: Smith was that guy in college.
Speaker 4: Can't believe Ryan Bowls in Chicago.
Speaker 1: Let him go, like you know, he's He's one of
Speaker 1: those alphas that you want in the middle of that defense.
Speaker 1: And look at what he's done for the Ravens. It's
Speaker 1: almost criminal. How the Ravens pickoff player like that, It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton, ro Kwan Smith in years past, Halloding Nada,
Speaker 1: they get their hands on Lamar Jackson by trading to
Speaker 1: but they don't look into it.
Speaker 4: They're just good. They're good at what they.
Speaker 3: They're good at what they do because they stick to
Speaker 3: the conviction that is created by what they see on tape.
Speaker 3: When you look at the Ravens over time, they have
Speaker 3: been one of the teams that have always said we
Speaker 3: stay tried and true to the tape. They don't get
Speaker 3: swayed by workouts and those things, and it's one of
Speaker 3: the things that has helped him consistently pick good players.
Speaker 3: And they have been able to pick good players at
Speaker 3: every level of the first or whatever round.
Speaker 2: If you just go back and look at their history,
Speaker 2: they're able to do it.
Speaker 3: And to me, Lance, when you look at them, just
Speaker 3: remember the conversation that the center from Iowood Lindstrom, you know,
Speaker 3: and everyone talks about all his arms are short or whatever.
Speaker 3: But when you watch three years of tape, he's just
Speaker 3: dominating people at the point of attack. They go and
Speaker 3: get good football players, and good football players tend to
Speaker 3: be really good football players when they get to the pros.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tyler Linderbaum, Yes, yeah, yeah, he's he was. Yeah.
Speaker 1: His arms are a little short. He runs like a
Speaker 1: four six forty. What are you talking about? This man
Speaker 1: can get to any angle on the planet. He gets
Speaker 1: you hooked.
Speaker 4: He's tough.
Speaker 2: He was a.
Speaker 4: Wrestler, like, you're right, And that's the other thing.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you got to make sure that you don't fall
Speaker 1: in love with the body types like it's important. But
Speaker 1: I'm just looking through this list like it's really important
Speaker 1: looking through the list.
Speaker 4: But brock Bauers didn't have that. He wasn't a money type.
Speaker 1: Now, Lindstrom was just okay, not not a special you know,
Speaker 1: physical specimen. Trey Hendrickson is kind of squaring off, doesn't
Speaker 1: look you know, he doesn't have the Miles Garrett now.
Speaker 1: But a lot of these guys, really it is. It
Speaker 1: is amazing though, when you look at this trades matter.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the list right now, I'm.
Speaker 4: Like, whoa.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jamar Saquan Chris Jones, Jalen Carter, Miles, Garrett
Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence.
Speaker 4: I mean, hey, trades matter, Kyle Hamilton.
Speaker 3: It certainly, it certainly matters. And when you have the
Speaker 3: traits and the tape, that's when you go. It's when
Speaker 3: you mess it up one way to where you go
Speaker 3: too far to the traits and the tape doesn't match,
Speaker 3: or you go too far on the film and the
Speaker 3: traits are not there. You have to have some requirements
Speaker 3: and some minimums, but you are seeing that it plays out.
Speaker 3: So that was the nfl PA All Pro Lists, some
Speaker 3: commentary on those guys.
Speaker 2: Then we had the Tears.
Speaker 3: I'm already getting blown up because I tweeted out some
Speaker 3: of the Tears stuff and.
Speaker 2: People are mad at me.
Speaker 1: Boy.
Speaker 2: They mad about the Jade and Daniels thing. They're mad
Speaker 2: about the Jay danisty that's my pick, Jaye Daniels. They're
Speaker 2: mad about it.
Speaker 4: These don't tell me you added me.
Speaker 3: Please, don't put you on that won't match you, because
Speaker 3: they would get mad at you.
Speaker 1: Because I've got.
Speaker 2: To get this. One would be on you about the c. J.
Speaker 2: Stroud thing.
Speaker 3: But now we spared you, We saved you. Thanks Station
Speaker 3: Jumping in but DJ this was moved the sticks. We
Speaker 3: will talking to you guys next week after all the
Speaker 3: playoffs