1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: Welcome to move sticks. 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 3: I am Bucky Brooks with my man lance Z joining 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 3: me feeling and for Daniel, Jeremiah and Elz, today is 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 3: a fun day because we got the playoffs ahead. But 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 3: rather than do a traditional playoff preview that everybody in 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 3: their mom is going to do, we want to preview 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 3: the playoffs by using the quarterbacks kind of as the 9 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: lynchpin to who we believe is going to have an 10 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 3: opportunity to go far in the tournament. So what I 11 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 3: want to do is we're going to talk about the 12 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 3: fourteen quarterbacks that are in the playoffs. We're going to 13 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 3: rank them in tiers. So we have four tiers. We 14 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 3: have Tier one being the elites, Tier two being Jeff 15 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 3: shat greatness these quarterbacks and knocking on the door of 16 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 3: being elite. Tier three they're hot right now, but can 17 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 3: they handle the playoff pressure? And Tier four unpredictable with 18 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 3: some question marks. And so Lance I'm gonna let's throw 19 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 3: out a quarterbacks. Let's talk about like in the AFC, 20 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 3: we got Pat Mahomes, we have Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, 21 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 3: c Shrowd, Justin Herbert Russell, Wilson, and bow Nicks. In 22 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 3: the NFC, we got Jerry Goff, Dalon Hurts, Baker Mayfield, 23 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford, Sam Donald, Jaden Daniels, and Jordan Love and 24 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 3: so overall, what are your thoughts on the quarterbacks that 25 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 3: are in the postseason tournament? Do you have a strong 26 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 3: field or opinion all the guys they meet? 27 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 2: I know that. 28 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: If we're gonna turn this out, you know, the elite 29 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: quarterbacks to me, there are three and they're all in 30 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: the AFC, and they're all one, two three. I know 31 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: this hasn't been Pat mahomes best year, but out of respect, 32 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: there's really nothing else that you can do but expect 33 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes to show up at big moment. So I 34 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: would say, you know, Mahomes, Seash Allen, and Lamar Jackson 35 00:01:58,440 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: are in that tier one group. 36 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 4: Is there anyone that you would add or. 37 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: Some dreamy and saucy. 38 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 3: So when we talk about the elites, the guys that 39 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 3: are there, I agree with you in those three have 40 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:15,399 Speaker 3: my homes. Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson certainly is there. If 41 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 3: there is someone that I would say is kind of 42 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 3: on the line, This is tough because I go back 43 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 3: and forth between like Justin Herbert and Jerry Goff. And 44 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 3: the reason why I say Justin Herbert being the guy 45 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 3: that I kind of put on that line is take 46 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 3: the numbers. 47 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: Away from this year. 48 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 3: We've seen in previous years that Justin Herbert has played 49 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,119 Speaker 3: at that level. We've seen this year when they've had 50 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 3: to rely on him to make plays, he's done it. 51 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 3: I will put him in that Tier one category and 52 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 3: I'll fight anybody else who says he shouldn't be in there. 53 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 3: I just feel like talent wise, he has all of 54 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,399 Speaker 3: that and this is going to be a showcase opportunity 55 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 3: for him to join in that conversation as being one 56 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 3: of the elites at the position. 57 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: One means that you can put the team on your back, though, right, yeah, 58 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: go full great Jennings and put the whole team on you. 59 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 4: You got that ability. 60 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: You're good with him, Okay, because I know the other 61 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: three can do it. 62 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: The other three we've seen we've seen do it. 63 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, look, okay, so you know what, I'll drop 64 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 3: Herbert down to tier two. But if we're talking about 65 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 3: the criteria for being elite is putting the team on 66 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 3: the back. 67 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: And then that means Jayde Daniels come on into the 68 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 2: to the room. 69 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 3: Because if that's the criterion, we Jayde Daniels has to 70 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 3: come because we saw Jaydon Daniels put the Commanders on 71 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 3: his back. He's looking he's Deck of the year. He 72 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 3: was in the conversation for most of the season about 73 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 3: being MVP until he hurt his ribs, and then at 74 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 3: Lance when he got back healthy and they needed him, 75 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 3: he's done that. I mean when I look at this 76 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: commander's team for the elite players, I mean when you 77 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 3: talking about Terry McLaurin, he doesn't have to really run 78 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 3: into blackfield. The offensive line is an elite I mean, look, 79 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 3: this dude is is kind of pulling rapids out of hats. 80 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 3: So if anyone deserves to go in there, I would 81 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 3: say that there are four guys those three that you 82 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 3: mentioned in the AFC that. 83 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: Mahomes, Josh and Lauren Jackson and then j Dands. Yeah, 84 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 2: Jay and Danis has to be in there. 85 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 4: I remind you my quarterback C. J. Stroud, he's in 86 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 4: Tier four right now. Yeah, and that man was up 87 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 4: having the same time. 88 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: We were having the same conversations about CJ last year 89 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: headed end of this year, and now CJ's in the unpredictable. 90 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 4: With question marks. I mean, and I'm getting real, that's 91 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 4: what that's what it is. 92 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 2: I mean, that's where he is. 93 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 3: So I've seen the tier ones are the guys that 94 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: we talked about having super hero powers, Pat Mahomes, Josh Allen, 95 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson, and then my bonus fake is gonna be 96 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 3: Jane Daniels. He gets into it. So now let's now 97 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 3: let's go tier two. Because I talked about just Herbert, 98 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 3: but I'm gonna put justin Herbert in tier two. 99 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: Who deserves to be in that tier category. 100 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go, I would say Herbert Golf. I mean, 101 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: I take tier two very serious. So I'm gonna say 102 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: Herbert off. I think you have to go Stafford out 103 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: of respect for the game. 104 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 4: And the game that. 105 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: He can play like he can have those big games. 106 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: And then I got to decide if I'm going to 107 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: put hurts are Love there, and I'm gonna say, I'm 108 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: gonna say, you know what, No, I'm not putting anyone 109 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: else there. 110 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 4: I'm done. 111 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 3: Okay, So so we have Herbert, we have Golf, and 112 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 3: we have Stafford. 113 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: Those are the three. Those are the three that we 114 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 2: have in Tier two. 115 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 4: So Tier two. 116 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: Is defined as it has been defined Tier two. Just 117 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: these quarterbacks are knocking on the door of elite status. Now, 118 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: obviously you can't really say that about Matt Stafford because 119 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: he's an older quarterback, But in terms of can he 120 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,239 Speaker 1: rise to the occasion to have an elite game, because 121 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about in the you know when 122 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: once you get in the playoffs, I think he could 123 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: still put together a big game. Yes, I think Herbert 124 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: for sure is there. You have to put Jared Goff there. 125 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 4: I don't know. 126 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: Some people would argue with me about Stafford versus Love 127 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: or Stafford versus Hearts, and I think it's a legitimate argument. 128 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 4: I think it's a legitimate argument. 129 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: Now, look, I think we're good. 130 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 3: So like I think Herbert, Golf and Stafford, I would 131 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 3: say yes to all of them. 132 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: And in fact, I know. 133 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 3: We could talk about Mayfield playing Gray, Sam Donald playing great, 134 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: but then we're talking about being elite. Yeah, I think 135 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with it. I think it's I think 136 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: it's really tight. I think I think that's it. I 137 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 3: think we it's debatable about the others. But if we're 138 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 3: that means you ain't in the category because it should 139 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 3: be clearly obvious. So all right, So we have four 140 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 3: guys and Tier one home Mahomes Allan, Jackson Daniels. Tier two, 141 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 3: we have Herbert Golf and Stafford Tier three, which is 142 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 3: I mean. 143 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 4: Hey, I'm gonna switch it up. 144 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: I'm gonna switch it up. 145 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: Let's do Tier four first and then everyone else left 146 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: is tier three? Okay, because I want to see I 147 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: want to put you to the test and see who 148 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: you believe is. 149 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 4: The definition is unpredictable with. 150 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: Question marks like where do you put where do you 151 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: put CJ. Stroud, Where do you put Russell Wilson, Where 152 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: do you put Sam I'm thinking Sam Donald's going to 153 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: be Tier three obviously the only he played. 154 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 4: Who do you think is tier four? Those guys that 155 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 4: you think. 156 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 3: Now you're gonna unpredicted that you're gonna have them mad 157 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 3: at me. Now I'm gonna get shouted out after the game. 158 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,559 Speaker 3: They're gonna be they be talking to the sideline reporter. 159 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: That's a game. 160 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 5: But Brooks, looky, I saw you handle that guy from 161 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 5: U c l A. Back in the day after he 162 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 5: stared at you. I'm not worried about you. I'm not 163 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 5: worried about you. I've seen you deal with those guys. 164 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: Okay, let's see, all right, So we're talking about the unable. Look, 165 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 3: so Russell Wilson has to be there, based on how 166 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 3: they're playing right now. 167 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: C J. 168 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 3: Stroud has to be in that conversation. Unpredictable with question 169 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 3: marks I'm putting. 170 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 1: I'm putting Nixon there, man, I don't know what. 171 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 6: He put it down against the Kansas City Chiefs. I'm 172 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 6: putting Nickson all the Kansas City Chiefs, they put it down. 173 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 6: They barely even suited up for that game. All right, 174 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 6: it gets there. 175 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 4: We had to get the Bengals up out of there, 176 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 4: all right. So we got two dates. Okay, so we 177 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 4: c J. 178 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: Straw, Russell Wilson, bow Knicks. 179 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 4: I'm gonna say, bo Nicks, I don't know about you. 180 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 5: Bucky, but i'm gonna say I haven't seen them playing 181 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 5: this kind of rookies in these big games. 182 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 4: It's rough, it's rough. And where does he go? 183 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 2: Mm hmm? 184 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 4: All right, old weather Buffalo? 185 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 2: All right, So we got bow Knicks in force. And 186 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: now what we're saying is the guy. 187 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 4: We don't. 188 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm to make it out I'm coming with you. Hey, hey, hey, 189 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 3: no no argument, no argument for me. But I'm just 190 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 3: I'm just saying, I just want to make sure because 191 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 3: I'm putting this out there for the universe, and I 192 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 3: want to make sure you feel okay about when they 193 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 3: when they start, they start me and Muggy you and 194 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 3: they start talking about and Zarren wrote this. 195 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 2: But I didn't right back and all that. I just 196 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: want to make sure you're okay, okay being the coming 197 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 2: after you. 198 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 4: I've already I've already got that Matt Jorden. 199 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: I'm his enemy for life because he thought I had 200 00:09:54,559 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: a bad scatter report on him. Supposedly Juju Smith huesh 201 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: Or retweeted him running for a long touchdown. I circled 202 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: my scatter import and said he didn't have long speed, 203 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: which he doesn't and didn't. 204 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 2: I was right. 205 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: And then I've got dk Metcalf, who I gave the 206 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: highest grade of anybody like in the whole draft to sphere. 207 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: He's got my weaknesses cut out and put in his locker. 208 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: I'm used to Bucky, Okay. 209 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 3: I'm not you'd be getting to smoke from folks talking 210 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 3: fucking bad about it. 211 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 2: You're getting. 212 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: Hey, once you put out one mock draft on NFL 213 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: dot com and the NFL retweets it, you will never. 214 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 4: Have most more smoke in your entire life. You know 215 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 4: that you're right. I feel comfortable putting I. 216 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: Feel comfortable putting Sam Darnold and and and uh Baker 217 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: Mayfield in the third category, the hot players. I feel 218 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: comfortable with them being I think they're a perfect fit 219 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 1: from tier three. 220 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 4: I'm curious though, on like. 221 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: Love, once we get to love Hurts, who else whom 222 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: I'm missing here loving Hurts? 223 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 4: I guess Love and Hurts? 224 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: Okay? 225 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 4: Are they tier three? We bump them in a tier two? 226 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 3: I can't put them in. I can't put them into two. 227 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 3: I can't put them knocking on the door to delete. 228 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 4: So I don't either. If that's the definition, I can't do. 229 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 2: I can't. I can't say they knocking on the door. 230 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 2: M hmm. 231 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 3: Man, I look, I think I think that's where we 232 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: act though. I think we have to put Hurts Love 233 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 3: in that category, like they've been high. But then we 234 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 3: got to see how they're gonna handle the playoff freshure, right, 235 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 3: I mean unless you unless you're trying to drop them 236 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 3: down to unpredictable with some question marks. 237 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't really have some you can't. I 238 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 4: guess you could try to make that argument if you want. 239 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: Some people might argue that for Jalen Hurts because you 240 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: know some issues in the playoffs at the time. 241 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 4: I wouldn't do that right now. 242 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 2: So you've heard Love overhears or hears, so. 243 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: I would personally put well, I think Love can control 244 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: the game potentially with passing, but I think of the 245 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: two teams, I feel better with how Hurts doesn't have 246 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: to do as much. 247 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 4: So it's that I think. 248 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: Because you don't just like Justin Herbert doesn't have to 249 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: do as much as he used to, which has made 250 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: him a better quarterback. 251 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 4: Josh Allen, the running game has. 252 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: Improved this year, so in a weird way, it's taken 253 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure off of him. 254 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 4: He still performs at a high level. 255 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: He does the same things he's always done, but he 256 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 1: didn't feel that same pressure. 257 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 4: I think Jordan Love feels a tremendous well. 258 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if he feels the pressure, but it's there, 259 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: like he's got to do a lot for them to win, 260 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: and I don't think you know the team that he's playing. 261 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: I don't think Hurts has to do as much to win. 262 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: So I think Hurts can kind of free stroke it 263 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: out there. I think he can play loose and free, 264 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: and I think with Love, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna 265 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 1: put him both than three though, but I would put 266 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: Hurts above Love just for this playoff run. 267 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: Okay, So we got Bakery. We got Baker Mayfield in there, right, 268 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 2: we feel good about. 269 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 4: We got Baker's gonna be Bakers. Who would you put ahead? Okay? 270 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: So if we're ranking them, so we're ranking the top four, 271 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: how are you ranking those. 272 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: Four quarterbacks the top four? 273 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? 274 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: And there in group three, we got Hurts, we got Love, 275 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: we got Baker, we got Sam Darnald. 276 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 4: How you how you sack. 277 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 2: Man? 278 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 3: Baker's is right on the line because I think Baker 279 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 3: is Baker's smoking right now, like he's bumping up against 280 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 3: the tier two situation. So I would go Baker first, 281 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 3: then Sam Murs, I think. 282 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 2: Then I would say Love and then Hurts. 283 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 4: Baker really is playing well that that Lion's game shaped 284 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 4: a little bit with Sam. 285 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 2: Donald, He's blowing leaves. 286 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 3: Me in fact, man, when you really look at the 287 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 3: season that Baker had, Man, you can talk about you 288 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 3: can talk about Baker being right up in Tier two 289 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 3: almost man like. He's I mean, the way he's played, he's, 290 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 3: you know what, Baker like. I think I'm gonna move 291 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 3: Baker up to Tier two. I think I'm gonna move Baker. 292 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 3: Baker had forty five yard I think I think I think. 293 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 4: We were done with Baker. The league was the league 294 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 4: was done with Baker. 295 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: He was just they somehow scraped him off the sidewalk 296 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: to play for the Rams and he pulled pulled that 297 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: Rams went out of his out of his hat. 298 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 4: Two years ago. 299 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: I remember that body. 300 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 4: I mean, it was like for Baker, good for Baker. 301 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 2: You know what? 302 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 3: And that is the lesson to be learned when we 303 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 3: talk about the quarterbacks and those things. Hey man, that 304 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 3: thing is not easy, and sometimes you got to give 305 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 3: guys opportunities to find their way to other situations. And 306 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 3: Baker found a home and it's really worked out for him. 307 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 4: Let's let's look at that eighteen draft again. 308 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: Now, two years ago, we would have said, Josh Lamar 309 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: and a bunch of trash. What you're saying, is Josh 310 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: and Lamar guys. Baker Mayfield, what a resurgence, what a 311 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: what a good quarterback he is. And look at Sam Darnold. 312 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: He just needed to have right play caller, the right 313 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: pieces around him. 314 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 4: And now you're just. 315 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: Left with Joshua what's his name, Josh Josh Rosen. I mean, 316 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: Josh Rosen's out. But those other four guys now, all 317 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: of a sudden, the twenty eighteen quarterback draft. So it 318 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: looks a lot different, doesn't. 319 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 2: It looks a lot different, And it tells you about 320 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 2: a couple of things. 321 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 3: He tells you about the patience that you need to 322 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 3: have for quarterback, but it also how important the environment, 323 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 3: the situation is. Right environment, right situation, right play called, 324 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 3: all these guys can have success. 325 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: But I do think that Alan, I think Josh Allen 326 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: and Lamar, I think they transcend. I think they transcend 327 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: where they are, like, I think they could be these 328 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: guys wherever you put them. Eventually, as long as you 329 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: put decent pieces around them, I think those guys are 330 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: going to be special. There's very that to me, those 331 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: are the guys that should get paid the biggest money. 332 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: Like right now, the NFL has a mode where they 333 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: next up. I guess you're just next up to get 334 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: fifty million. 335 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 4: Want to operate that way. Baseball is like, no, if 336 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 4: you're not that good, you don't get paid like that. 337 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: Realistically, the guys at that stat at that level that 338 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: can succeed through adversity, can succeed no matter where they are, 339 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: that are special. I mean, I know we got three 340 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: of them for sure that are all playing in the AFC. 341 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: They're in the AFC playoffs. I think maybe you put both. 342 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: You maybe have to put Joe Burrow there, as long 343 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: as he's healthy. Joe Burrow looks like he's got that special. 344 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: We're waiting to see it on Jayden Daniels. You made 345 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: a case for him. I got to see it happen 346 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: for for two to three years because I'm worried after 347 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: what happened with CJ. 348 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 4: Stroud this year. But it just goes to show you that, man, 349 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 4: you can want those. 350 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: You can want the next Josh Allen. 351 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 4: And everyone loves to throw Josh a dray may he 352 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 4: can next Josh Allen. You could also be chasing a unicorn. 353 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 4: So there's not a lot of those. 354 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: Not a lot of Josh Allen's running aund There's not 355 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: a lot of Lamar Jackson's. There's definitely not a lot 356 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: of Pat Mahomes running around. And so we got Jayden 357 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: to Lamar, we got I guess Drake may maybe to 358 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: Josh Allen would be the comparison. And then we had 359 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: the Caleb Williams and Patrick Mahomes. Those are rough comparisons, man, 360 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: that's a that's a high, high bar. 361 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 7: You gotta and so if you're gonna set that bar, 362 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 7: you better help them coaching, help them with offensive line, 363 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 7: and help them with being patient. 364 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 4: And that's the lesson of that eighteen draft. 365 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: But no one's given Baker Mayfield five six years, like 366 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: no one's given Sam that must say. It's just if 367 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: you're in a bad situation and you can't do it, 368 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: gotta go, gotta go. 369 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 3: That's the way it is. Is It is such an 370 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 3: interesting thing. That's fascinating. I can't wait to kind of 371 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 3: see how it plays out. Interesting conversation. So Lance, we'll 372 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 3: come back after the break. Let's talk about the NFLPA 373 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 3: All Pro lists, all right, Lance, So the nfl PA 374 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 3: just release their all pro teams for the twenty twenty 375 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 3: four season. 376 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: On offense, we'll go through it. 377 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson, you have Brock Bowers, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, 378 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 3: Takwon Barkley, Cal's you check, Tristan Wirfs, Joe Touney, Benna Sewell, 379 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 3: Chris Linstrom, and Create Humphrey. On defense, the first team 380 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 3: features Christ Jones, Jalen Carter, Trey Hendrickson, Miles Garrett, Dexter, 381 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 3: Lawrence Roklan Smith, Fred Warner. 382 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: Any Cayle Hamilton, and Pat Sortan Any. 383 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 4: You can't score on you cannot score on that. You 384 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 4: don't think we score well, we're not scoring on that. 385 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: D So let's let's let's talk about Let's talk about 386 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 2: the offense first. So Lamar Jackson gets. 387 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 4: Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, this offense is pretty strong. 388 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 2: I mean you were talking about that he scored. I'm like, 389 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 2: what you mean, I can't. 390 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 4: I need I need to see that game. I mean 391 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 4: I need to see I want that. I want that game. 392 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: I mean looked at the fascinating things. 393 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 3: So the first thing that stands out to me, Lance, 394 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 3: how about rock bout you know, doing the draft process. 395 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 3: I know we always talk about like best player available, 396 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 3: and for a lot of us, brought powers was one 397 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 3: of the two three best players in the draft, and 398 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,719 Speaker 3: he drops goes out up ten. But then he comes 399 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 3: and he plays. He is everything that we talked about. 400 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 3: What do you think about his season in Las Vegas? 401 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 4: Incredible? 402 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: It's not like like you knew Brock was going to 403 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: get the ball and it didn't matter. He went in there, 404 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: and then we have to have those conversations about where 405 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: your draft tight ends and the value of tight end 406 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: is not good in the first round, and you know, 407 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: and then he comes out and has over one hundred catches, 408 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: over a thousand yards receiving, He breaks all these rookie records. 409 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 4: He arguably is the offensive Rookie of the Year. 410 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: He won't win it, but I mean, if you want 411 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: to just go by numbers, rock Bowers is your winner, 412 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: it's gonna be Jayden, and I think Jayden deserves to 413 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: win it this year. But you can make a case 414 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: for Brock and have no problem. Brock is an all Pro. 415 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,719 Speaker 1: Brock is an all role and he's not gonna win 416 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: Offensive Rookie of the Year. 417 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 4: Let that sink. My man is the one in the league. 418 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 2: He is, and win in the league. 419 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 3: And you're right, And I made a case a couple 420 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 3: of weeks ago on my notebook on NFL dot com. 421 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 2: Dad, Look, he should be certainly a contingent, he should 422 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: do it. 423 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 3: But the end that Jayden Daniels reappeared, and Jayden Daniels 424 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 3: just does the thing. I mean, he put the thing. 425 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 3: He put the whammy on the Eagles to clinch your 426 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 3: playoff berth. And then he comes back to knock up 427 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 3: to the Cowboys. He continues to do his thing and 428 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 3: went healthy. This dude is dynamic. 429 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 2: And look, man, we can. 430 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 3: Talk about Lamar Jackson all the wonderful things that Lamar 431 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 3: Jackson was able to do, but the rookie Jaye Daniels 432 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 3: was more polished as a passer and playmaker than Lamar 433 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 3: Jackson was at this stage. And I love what ja 434 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson was able to do in terms of his 435 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 3: dynamic playmaking ability. How he may be a three time 436 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 3: MVP if they look at the numbers as opposed to 437 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 3: the story that has been the field good story that 438 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 3: Josh Allen has been, It's going to be interesting. 439 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: Saikamon Barkley, Look. 440 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 3: I think it is fascinated that he is up there 441 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 3: two thousand yard season. They sat him out the last game, 442 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 3: he potentially could have broke the record, but to Eric 443 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 3: Dickerson's delight, they sat him out and so Ed is 444 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 3: able to hold on to the record. But look, it's 445 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 3: just fascinating. And we talked about the lineman. I mean, 446 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 3: Tristan Wurston missed some games, but he's up there, benne Sewel, 447 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 3: Chris Linstrom, Greet Humphrey, all of those guys are in 448 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 3: the mix. 449 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 2: Defensively, though, we talked about that man, Jalen. 450 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 3: Carter and what he's been able to do for the 451 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 3: Philadelphia Eagles, the fact that he is an All Pro. 452 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 3: When we throw grays on players and we talked about 453 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 3: those top five, top teen grades. We're throwing those grades 454 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 3: forecasting that those guys are going to be All pros 455 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 3: early in their career. Jalen Carter has been all that 456 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 3: in a bag of. 457 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 4: Chips right away. 458 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, he has Trey Hendrickson, you know, Miles Garretts, Miles 459 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: Garrett's he's one on one. I mean, he's you know, 460 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 1: he'll go down as one of the great pass rushers 461 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: of all time. But Trey Hendrickson has was unbelievable and 462 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: you know, you and I will be doing draft stuff 463 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: down the road, but it just goes to show you. 464 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: I mean I remember watching Trey Hendrickson at the East 465 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: West Shrine game and like, man, that dude's got a 466 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: nice spin move. Hey, he just kind of knows his 467 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: way around the pocket. He's got feel as a rusher. 468 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: They come from anywhere, They come from everywhere. Chris Jones 469 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: was the late first, Jayleen Carter was a dude, Miles 470 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: Garrett was a dude. Extra Lawrence was a dude. Trey 471 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: Hendrickson was like a fourth rounder. So they can come 472 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: from anywhere. Max Crosby, who did not make the list, 473 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he's kind of like Trey Hendrickson. You know, 474 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: those dudes are built a little different. They just their 475 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: mentality is different. They're talented and they just play with 476 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: like just a tenaciousness as rushers that you know you 477 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: match it with the skill and uh and you can 478 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 1: go find guys. But it is it's interesting. I look 479 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: at both the offensive defense like it's a mixture of 480 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 1: dudes coming out and then guys like there was no 481 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: doubt on Saquan Lamar, Well, Lamar had questions, but Saquan Jamar, 482 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: Chase rock Bauers Tristan Wurf like Piney Sewel. 483 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 4: But then you run into Chris lin Linstrom who was 484 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 4: the second round guard, and you run into Joe Toney, 485 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 4: and then you know the Trey Hendrickson. So you know 486 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 4: Fred Warner. I remember watching Fred Warner. 487 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: Like, man, this guy, I'm gonna put him in a 488 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: fourth I bet he could be a good backup and maybe. 489 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 4: An eventual starter. I really like him. 490 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 5: And then you know he has he has a good 491 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 5: backup to eventual starter. 492 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: I thought he had a chance to become an eventual 493 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: an eventual starter. Instead he's the most dynamic linebacker in 494 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: the game today. And then you know, I think it's 495 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: another interesting point is it's Patzertan who me was the 496 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: cleanest corner that I've written in ten years since I've 497 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: been doing this here at NFL dot com. Then you 498 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: have Derek Stingley, who the Singly Sauce thing was getting 499 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: Houston was ready to run Nick Caserio out of town 500 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: because you have sauce. 501 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 4: Look how good sauce is. Now fast forward. 502 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: You know, three years, and Derek Stingley right now is 503 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 1: the better player of those two guys, and he's playing 504 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 1: at a ridiculous level. And of course Kyle Hamilton, who 505 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: I had as the number one player on my board, 506 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: just ahead of Aiden Hutchinson. Kyle Hamilton has been an 507 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: unbelievable difference maker over there. 508 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 2: He has been an unbelievable difference maker. 509 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 3: Making the move to free safety has been everything for them, 510 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 3: you know, in terms of just giving him a stability 511 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 3: and what it shows you lance. Like a lot of 512 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 3: times when we get into the comment and we start 513 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 3: working about we start talking about speed and length and 514 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 3: all of these things that are measurable and you have 515 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 3: to have those. Sometimes it takes away from what we 516 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 3: fall in love with on tape. And Kylar Hamilton was 517 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 3: a top five player on tape and we got caught 518 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 3: up in the workouts and those things, and he was 519 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 3: a top five player on tape at free safety, and 520 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 3: when they moved him back to his natural position, he's 521 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 3: been nothing short sensational and it's one of the reasons 522 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 3: why this. 523 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 2: Defense has played better down the stretch. 524 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 3: He's given them that impact player in the middle of 525 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 3: the field and it's worked out for them. 526 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 2: And it's just a lesson. 527 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 3: When we talk about like the draft and the tape 528 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 3: and all that I'll say this and we can't technically 529 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 3: do it, but we should do it. Put your pencils 530 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 3: down before you get to the combine because everything that 531 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 3: happens from combine through the workouts only influence you. It 532 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 3: takes away from what you really believed when you watch 533 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 3: the tape. So if you're one of these guys that 534 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 3: loves to do the work and all that, get all 535 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 3: the work done before the combine, because after the combine, 536 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 3: the numbers can influence you to believe one way or 537 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 3: the other. Did the player is not as good as 538 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 3: you think or is even better than you thought based 539 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 3: on watching the tape. 540 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 2: Watching the tape first, don't let the numbers way. 541 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point because the numbers the workouts have, 542 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: you know, they have created doubt with people. It happened 543 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: to uh despite the fact that he looked like a 544 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: Greek god and ran really, really fast, there were people 545 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: who convinced himself the DK Metcalf's three condrill was the 546 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: end of the world. 547 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: Look got bad. 548 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 4: This guy's three condrell is he will never be a 549 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:40,719 Speaker 4: good wide receiver. 550 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 1: And then the list of wide receivers who got drafted 551 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: ahead of. 552 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 4: Him was criminal uh, in some elements, you know, in 553 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 4: some regards, so yeah, you gotta you gotta, you can't be. 554 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 1: And that's the other thing, scouting with your ears. That's 555 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 1: a big problem too. When you have a belief and 556 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: you start getting different input than what you're thinking, you 557 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: have a tendency to. 558 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 4: Kind of challenge your own thoughts and it's sending it. 559 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: Funny, Bucky, how often we go back a year or 560 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: two later and said, I knew I was right on 561 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: this guy. 562 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 4: I knew I was right. 563 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 2: It is. 564 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 3: It is funny how they goes like you know you're right, 565 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 3: you don't trust it. You talk to so many different people, 566 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 3: you can't get swayed by the group I think. You know, 567 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 3: it takes you off of the players that you truly 568 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 3: to believe in. But man, sometimes you have to write 569 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 3: these little things down on note cards and put them 570 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 3: away and tuck them away before the combine and then 571 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 3: go back to them the week or two leading to 572 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 3: the draft. The guys that you love, the list of 573 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 3: players that you really love, because ultimately the ones that 574 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 3: you fell in love with on tape are gonna be 575 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 3: the ones that you uh fall in love with again. 576 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 3: When we started seeing them at the NFL love mm hmm. 577 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 4: It's interesting because Chris Jones was that guy for me. 578 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 4: I watched him against. 579 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: LSU and I saw him do things against LSU that 580 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,719 Speaker 1: I thought this humans shouldn't be able to do that, 581 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: But he didn't have you know, there wasn't a lot 582 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: of There wasn't a lot of And plus I love 583 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: the traits, but he's a little upright. 584 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 4: When he played, his pad level was a little high. 585 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: When guys do things that are freaky against good opponents, 586 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: it's real. I mean it's real when Darius Leonard aka 587 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: Shack Leonard, when he fills up every statistical category known 588 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: to man, but then he gets heard, doesn't run a 589 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 1: forty or whatever and falls in the draft and him 590 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 1: becomes an All Pro his rookie year. Now granted, you know, 591 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: I mean he's he's I think he's out of the 592 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: league completely right now, as as in Devon White too, 593 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: so his linebackers don't last as long. 594 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 4: But man, when they burn, they burn bright, they. 595 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: Burn really right, especially if they played and ro Colan 596 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: Smith was that guy in college. 597 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 4: Can't believe Ryan Bowls in Chicago. 598 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: Let him go, like you know, he's He's one of 599 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: those alphas that you want in the middle of that defense. 600 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: And look at what he's done for the Ravens. It's 601 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: almost criminal. How the Ravens pickoff player like that, It's unbelievable. 602 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton, ro Kwan Smith in years past, Halloding Nada, 603 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: they get their hands on Lamar Jackson by trading to 604 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: but they don't look into it. 605 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 4: They're just good. They're good at what they. 606 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 3: They're good at what they do because they stick to 607 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 3: the conviction that is created by what they see on tape. 608 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 3: When you look at the Ravens over time, they have 609 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 3: been one of the teams that have always said we 610 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 3: stay tried and true to the tape. They don't get 611 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 3: swayed by workouts and those things, and it's one of 612 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 3: the things that has helped him consistently pick good players. 613 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 3: And they have been able to pick good players at 614 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 3: every level of the first or whatever round. 615 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 2: If you just go back and look at their history, 616 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 2: they're able to do it. 617 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 3: And to me, Lance, when you look at them, just 618 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 3: remember the conversation that the center from Iowood Lindstrom, you know, 619 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 3: and everyone talks about all his arms are short or whatever. 620 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 3: But when you watch three years of tape, he's just 621 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 3: dominating people at the point of attack. They go and 622 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 3: get good football players, and good football players tend to 623 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,719 Speaker 3: be really good football players when they get to the pros. 624 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, Tyler Linderbaum, Yes, yeah, yeah, he's he was. Yeah. 625 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: His arms are a little short. He runs like a 626 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: four six forty. What are you talking about? This man 627 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: can get to any angle on the planet. He gets 628 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: you hooked. 629 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 4: He's tough. 630 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 2: He was a. 631 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 4: Wrestler, like, you're right, And that's the other thing. 632 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes you got to make sure that you don't fall 633 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: in love with the body types like it's important. But 634 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: I'm just looking through this list like it's really important 635 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: looking through the list. 636 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 4: But brock Bauers didn't have that. He wasn't a money type. 637 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: Now, Lindstrom was just okay, not not a special you know, 638 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: physical specimen. Trey Hendrickson is kind of squaring off, doesn't 639 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: look you know, he doesn't have the Miles Garrett now. 640 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: But a lot of these guys, really it is. It 641 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: is amazing though, when you look at this trades matter. 642 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the list right now, I'm. 643 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 4: Like, whoa. 644 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: I mean, Jamar Saquan Chris Jones, Jalen Carter, Miles, Garrett 645 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence. 646 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 4: I mean, hey, trades matter, Kyle Hamilton. 647 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 3: It certainly, it certainly matters. And when you have the 648 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 3: traits and the tape, that's when you go. It's when 649 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 3: you mess it up one way to where you go 650 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 3: too far to the traits and the tape doesn't match, 651 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 3: or you go too far on the film and the 652 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 3: traits are not there. You have to have some requirements 653 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 3: and some minimums, but you are seeing that it plays out. 654 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 3: So that was the nfl PA All Pro Lists, some 655 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 3: commentary on those guys. 656 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 2: Then we had the Tears. 657 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 3: I'm already getting blown up because I tweeted out some 658 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 3: of the Tears stuff and. 659 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 2: People are mad at me. 660 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: Boy. 661 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 2: They mad about the Jade and Daniels thing. They're mad 662 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 2: about the Jay danisty that's my pick, Jaye Daniels. They're 663 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 2: mad about it. 664 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 4: These don't tell me you added me. 665 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,959 Speaker 3: Please, don't put you on that won't match you, because 666 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 3: they would get mad at you. 667 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: Because I've got. 668 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 2: To get this. One would be on you about the c. J. 669 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 2: Stroud thing. 670 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 3: But now we spared you, We saved you. Thanks Station 671 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 3: Jumping in but DJ this was moved the sticks. We 672 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 3: will talking to you guys next week after all the 673 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 3: playoffs