1
00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,360
Speaker 1: A lot of drama over this past weekend coming out

2
00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,320
Speaker 1: about the New York Mets. This is a weird episode

3
00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,400
Speaker 1: where we're going to talk about almost anything besides the

4
00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,640
Speaker 1: actual baseball in the field. James is showing off the

5
00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,840
Speaker 1: Ohio State sweatshirt loud and proud as they absolutely throttled

6
00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,480
Speaker 1: Michigan this weekend. But that's not the drama. The drama

7
00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,480
Speaker 1: is for instances. Cool Indoor, Juan Soto, Jeff McNeil, Mike

8
00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,519
Speaker 1: Puma drop in what felt like a hit piece this

9
00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,560
Speaker 1: weekend behind a paywall for all things, by the way,

10
00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:41,080
Speaker 1: just putting that out there behind a paywall, and it's

11
00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,840
Speaker 1: got people on the internet in the met baseball world

12
00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,120
Speaker 1: going absolutely crazy. So me and James are gonna give

13
00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,720
Speaker 1: you our thoughts, our opinions on what's going on with

14
00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,360
Speaker 1: the Mets, with Francisco Indoor, Wan Soto, Jeff McNeil, all

15
00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,639
Speaker 1: the nonsense that we saw before. We do. Make sure

16
00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,480
Speaker 1: you guys are subscribed to the channel Mets the podcast

17
00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,920
Speaker 1: on YouTube. If you're listening to his Apple podcast, Spotify,

18
00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,680
Speaker 1: Google drops a rat, drops review, download and subscribe. James

19
00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,040
Speaker 1: will give you thirty seconds. How excited are you about

20
00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:06,440
Speaker 1: Ohio State. Just real quick, I.

21
00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:07,480
Speaker 2: Only want to do the thirty seconds.

22
00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,520
Speaker 3: Let's get right into the drama, because it does suck

23
00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,560
Speaker 3: that as Mets fans, for some reason had to be

24
00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,360
Speaker 3: pulled away from what was one of the best overall

25
00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,039
Speaker 3: sports weekends I can honestly remember unless you cheer for

26
00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,480
Speaker 3: the disgusting Michigan Wolverines. Because Wednesday, right before Thanksgiving and

27
00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,039
Speaker 3: get the Dylan C's monster contract.

28
00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:22,840
Speaker 2: Fun with baseball.

29
00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,520
Speaker 3: Thursday the best NFL Thanksgiving slate I can remember ever,

30
00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,400
Speaker 3: really good. And then Friday good college football, great Bears

31
00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,280
Speaker 3: went over the Eagles. Saturday wall to wall, great college

32
00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:33,959
Speaker 3: football games left and right, and.

33
00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,720
Speaker 1: College basketball going on too if you're a college basketball guy.

34
00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,559
Speaker 2: Great college basketball the whole time.

35
00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,480
Speaker 3: And then Sunday not a good looking NFL slate, but

36
00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,080
Speaker 3: exciting games up and down. But for some reason again

37
00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,440
Speaker 3: it kind of for Mets fans comes back to this

38
00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,080
Speaker 3: basically hit piece that came out right before the weekend.

39
00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,760
Speaker 3: But Mike Puma and the relationships inside the Mets clubhouse,

40
00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,120
Speaker 3: especially kind of for lack of a better term, talking

41
00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,160
Speaker 3: some shit ut versus Golden Door, which seems to be

42
00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,760
Speaker 3: the button that a lot of these, not a lot

43
00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,000
Speaker 3: of these that some people like to press when things

44
00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:03,920
Speaker 3: don't go off of the mess.

45
00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:05,840
Speaker 2: I thought we were kind of past that at this point.

46
00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt like the Francisco Lindor witch hunt was

47
00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,960
Speaker 1: over because every which way these reporters have tried to

48
00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,320
Speaker 1: either make him look like he's a failed player, make

49
00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:16,880
Speaker 1: him look like he hasn't been worth it, make it

50
00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,919
Speaker 1: look like he's not that good, make it seem like

51
00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,440
Speaker 1: he's a problem. And it is the same group of

52
00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,440
Speaker 1: people saying the stuff every single time, Like you haven't

53
00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,119
Speaker 1: heard one big shot, big name come out and say

54
00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,720
Speaker 1: something like this, And whenever I see that, I go, sure,

55
00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,799
Speaker 1: Mike Puma isn't going to be in the clubhouse more

56
00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,800
Speaker 1: than Jeff Passon is or Bob Knighting Gale or any

57
00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,040
Speaker 1: of even Jonahyman and Joel Sherman at times, because those

58
00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,760
Speaker 1: guys still national baseball writers. But at the same time,

59
00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,800
Speaker 1: it has such an icky feeling putting that putting behind

60
00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,799
Speaker 1: a paywall something that should, theoretically, if it's that true,

61
00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,280
Speaker 1: be like a big story that you'd want everyone to read,

62
00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,680
Speaker 1: rather than trying to click bait people into paying to

63
00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,080
Speaker 1: read your article, which always to me is kind of

64
00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,800
Speaker 1: like that makes me seem like Mike Pom very much

65
00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:01,800
Speaker 1: knew what he was doing.

66
00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:02,440
Speaker 2: It does.

67
00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,239
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not gonna say it hurts the reputability

68
00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,320
Speaker 3: because Pum has been a great journalist for a long

69
00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,000
Speaker 3: time speaking yeah, yeah, but just if you guys aren't

70
00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,519
Speaker 3: subscribed to Post Sports Plus, which first of all, thank

71
00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,360
Speaker 3: god if you're not. Second of all, we have some

72
00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,239
Speaker 3: of the some of the sound by tier to read

73
00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,280
Speaker 3: to you. So the first one and I only think

74
00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,400
Speaker 3: this one is more relevant than the one that went viral.

75
00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,519
Speaker 3: This is about Francisco Lindor and Jeff McNeil. But the

76
00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,880
Speaker 3: most one's way more relevant with the more viral stuff

77
00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,799
Speaker 3: was about Lindor and Solo, which is the biggest non

78
00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:26,400
Speaker 3: issue ever.

79
00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,280
Speaker 2: But about Lindor and Jeff McNeil.

80
00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,280
Speaker 3: Start off, Francisco Lindor and Jeff McNeil had a heated

81
00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,880
Speaker 3: confrontation last season, just the latest friction between the teammates

82
00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,200
Speaker 3: in what has been a turbulent Mets relationship. After a

83
00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,680
Speaker 3: defensive lapse on June twentieth in Philadelphia, and angry, Lindor

84
00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,040
Speaker 3: at some point began verbally attacking McNeil. According to his source,

85
00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,000
Speaker 3: leading to what was described as a tense stand off

86
00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,119
Speaker 3: between the two. The Mets lost There's seventh straight that night.

87
00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,600
Speaker 3: Initial stretch of futility that indicated maybe something was amiss

88
00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,520
Speaker 3: with the team. Had just Rutten, had just searched the season,

89
00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,560
Speaker 3: had twenty one games, about five hundred a week earlier.

90
00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,600
Speaker 3: A play didn't get made, and that pistolindor off. A

91
00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,680
Speaker 3: source who was nearby the confrontation said, so, a few

92
00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,119
Speaker 3: things to unpack there. First of all, it's an anonymous source,

93
00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,000
Speaker 3: So anonymous source, all of a sudden, we just we

94
00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,360
Speaker 3: don't know who this is. We don't know how close

95
00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,760
Speaker 3: to who they are whatever. Secondly, I went back to

96
00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,040
Speaker 3: that June twentieth game. I went back to every single

97
00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:17,359
Speaker 3: ball that was put in play on Friday night.

98
00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:18,640
Speaker 2: Had nothing else to do. I was just getting ready

99
00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:19,760
Speaker 2: for the Buckeys. New it had to be he up

100
00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:20,840
Speaker 2: in the early in the morning that day.

101
00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,240
Speaker 3: There were two plays that I thought maybe possibly could

102
00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,279
Speaker 3: have been what happened there, and I tweeted them both

103
00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,880
Speaker 3: out and an aggregator account completely copied my tweet.

104
00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:29,839
Speaker 2: That's neither here nor there.

105
00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,960
Speaker 3: Got ten times impressures I got on it again, neither

106
00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,320
Speaker 3: here nor there again, aggregators. They ruined the marketplace for

107
00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,920
Speaker 3: takes here. But we all remember that game. If you

108
00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:39,600
Speaker 3: don't remember that game, he was a refresher. That was

109
00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,360
Speaker 3: the blade Tidwell Zach Wheeler Friday Night Apple Bit TV game.

110
00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,920
Speaker 3: We were two two six seventh Philly's open the flow gate.

111
00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,440
Speaker 3: A six run inning blew us out. The next inning

112
00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,680
Speaker 3: is where I think some of these the play that

113
00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,720
Speaker 3: I think could possibly have been the vague defensive laps

114
00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,560
Speaker 3: comes into play here where Kyle Schwarber hits a hard

115
00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,200
Speaker 3: one hopper right to Jeff McNeil took us. I can

116
00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:01,800
Speaker 3: get into his glove, kind of caught on the heel

117
00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,560
Speaker 3: in the big hop and then from like fifteen feet away,

118
00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,200
Speaker 3: slow underhand lobs lindor short who then fired the bullet

119
00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:09,120
Speaker 3: but didn't get sharp Brown.

120
00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:10,440
Speaker 2: The double play and a ball I was hit ninety

121
00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:10,920
Speaker 2: three miles.

122
00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,200
Speaker 1: Now, which is almost impossible. Kyle Schwarber two, who doesn't

123
00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:13,920
Speaker 1: run well, No.

124
00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,760
Speaker 3: And the ball again was hid almost ninety five miles

125
00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,840
Speaker 3: an hour was a screamer. A few batles lay that

126
00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,560
Speaker 3: Nick Castians hit to two run homer. I could understand

127
00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,719
Speaker 3: some boiling of frustrations after the six run inning during

128
00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,320
Speaker 3: your seventh straight loss and the game that you had

129
00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,720
Speaker 3: no business winning but we're in and then kind of

130
00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,640
Speaker 3: a play like that happens. Yeah, and we know that

131
00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,599
Speaker 3: Lindor and McNeil have the history, especially with freakouts after

132
00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,520
Speaker 3: defensive plays where McNeil and Lindor in the game against

133
00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,279
Speaker 3: the Diamondbacks a few years ago, now the old.

134
00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,960
Speaker 1: Was it a rat was it a raccoon? It's actually

135
00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,200
Speaker 1: a ratcoon? And then all of a sudden, Franciscool Lindoor

136
00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,640
Speaker 1: we know, chokes out JEFFI deal basically in the in

137
00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,240
Speaker 1: the tunnel leading to the dugout, Like those two don't

138
00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,480
Speaker 1: get along. I don't think they're ever going to get along,

139
00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,760
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I don't really care. I

140
00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,840
Speaker 1: think it's like more interesting than the Soto stuff because

141
00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,119
Speaker 1: clearly now there is a problem between these two guys,

142
00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,200
Speaker 1: but also at the same time, like I don't know,

143
00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,600
Speaker 1: people talk about loving the eighty six Mets so much.

144
00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,760
Speaker 1: Those guys, like a lot of them hated each other.

145
00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,560
Speaker 1: They got into brawls with each other during spring training

146
00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,520
Speaker 1: games that didn't matter, So I think it's very hypocritical

147
00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,760
Speaker 1: for people at times, And I have a theory as

148
00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,720
Speaker 1: to why it could be are so hard on Francisco

149
00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,919
Speaker 1: Indoor as the captain of this team by the fans

150
00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,920
Speaker 1: more so than the actual players or team. Why people

151
00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,800
Speaker 1: are a little bit more critical of Francisco Lindor rather

152
00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,920
Speaker 1: than they are of some of the players of the past.

153
00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,040
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, And there's also a part of that too,

154
00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,200
Speaker 3: where the captain thing of Francisco Indoors seems like it

155
00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,560
Speaker 3: was oddly a bit of a sticking point with some

156
00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:45,480
Speaker 3: people in the clubhouse.

157
00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:46,400
Speaker 2: Maybe or maybe not, we know.

158
00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,600
Speaker 3: Adam Lavino mentioned thinking that after reading an article about

159
00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:54,279
Speaker 3: the way that brand Emo was also again correlations, not causation,

160
00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,320
Speaker 3: but funny these things are now starting to trickle out

161
00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,159
Speaker 3: after a trade that might have been divisive was made

162
00:06:59,200 --> 00:06:59,760
Speaker 3: a week ago.

163
00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,320
Speaker 2: That's part of this too, But.

164
00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,680
Speaker 1: That was what made this so weird. Like what you

165
00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,279
Speaker 1: knew that happened on June twentieth, You held it till

166
00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:09,800
Speaker 1: November twenty ninth.

167
00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,560
Speaker 3: Well, maybe you didn't know that happened on June twentieth.

168
00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,480
Speaker 3: Maybe there's someone in the building who was frustrated about

169
00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,080
Speaker 3: something that happened last week and was like, I have

170
00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,520
Speaker 3: something to share now. But that's also the difference in

171
00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,680
Speaker 3: reporting because this kind of again we'll get to the

172
00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,520
Speaker 3: solo Lindor stuff in a second, But Dsha Thostar put

173
00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,280
Speaker 3: out an article right when the season ended about the

174
00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,760
Speaker 3: fact that the Mets clubhouse this year was a bit

175
00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,680
Speaker 3: more of a work in progress, but it wasn't exactly

176
00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,760
Speaker 3: a problem like this. My Puma article insinuates, and Disha

177
00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:39,160
Speaker 3: had direct quotes and soundbites from so though Lindor Marte

178
00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,360
Speaker 3: nemo all of them. So it is difference again, difference

179
00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,720
Speaker 3: of reporting where you have anonymous sources behind a paywall

180
00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,560
Speaker 3: and then open article with quotes directly from players on

181
00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:47,840
Speaker 3: the team.

182
00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:52,360
Speaker 1: And Desha's our girl, she's she's she literally only writes

183
00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,960
Speaker 1: based on facts and truth. There's no speculation, there's no anonymity,

184
00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,960
Speaker 1: there's no paywall, there's there's none of this like like leaving.

185
00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:01,680
Speaker 2: It up deep chantz.

186
00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,160
Speaker 1: It is this is what happened, and that's what reporting

187
00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:04,640
Speaker 1: should be.

188
00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:05,160
Speaker 2: Is news.

189
00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,760
Speaker 1: And nothing wrong on Puma for saying the McNeil thing right,

190
00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,320
Speaker 1: Lindor and McNeil getting into a problem on June twentieth

191
00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,880
Speaker 1: sounds like that's a fact where we get a little

192
00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,239
Speaker 1: bit crazy is with the Francisco Lindora and Juan Soto

193
00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:19,200
Speaker 1: stuff a little bit later.

194
00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, And also another part of it just we had

195
00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,040
Speaker 3: a conversation about this when this article came out on Frive.

196
00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:29,520
Speaker 3: They like it, isn't that captain like to allegedly like

197
00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,480
Speaker 3: blow up on another player on your own team for

198
00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,360
Speaker 3: defensive laps like that? I understand getting like when the

199
00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,480
Speaker 3: frustration mounts to a spot we've lost seven in a row,

200
00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,360
Speaker 3: you have an inning when if you guys remember that

201
00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,120
Speaker 3: inning on June and twentieth, you guess the failies Danks

202
00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,120
Speaker 3: and Donk Slufton right, and they just kept scoring and

203
00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,360
Speaker 3: scoring and scoring and scoring. But we just the temper

204
00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,760
Speaker 3: flaring that that's possible. We've seen Lindor a few times

205
00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,000
Speaker 3: hot in that Brewer series, especially lose his temper on

206
00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,680
Speaker 3: the field, Like not, maybe that's not the most captain

207
00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,760
Speaker 3: like thing to be rate a player. There's always a

208
00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,600
Speaker 3: time and a place for it to make sure players

209
00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,680
Speaker 3: are taking accountability. And again, we don't even know if

210
00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,079
Speaker 3: there's a hundred percent TROI, so I'm not really saying anything.

211
00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,040
Speaker 3: I could see how that could be like a weird

212
00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,040
Speaker 3: moment in a clubhouse for a guy like that.

213
00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,960
Speaker 1: We also do have an obsession as sports fans to

214
00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,600
Speaker 1: just like make we need a captain of this team,

215
00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,760
Speaker 1: like they're all adult men, like I doesn't. They don't

216
00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,880
Speaker 1: fucking care who is named the captain, Like it's more

217
00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,319
Speaker 1: of an honor rather than it is anything that changes

218
00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,840
Speaker 1: the actual dynamics of what's going on, for sure.

219
00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,240
Speaker 3: And I do think that's kind of the way this

220
00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,760
Speaker 3: Mets team seemed to resonate with themselves. But again, it's

221
00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,640
Speaker 3: felt like the media tries to create this this idea,

222
00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,360
Speaker 3: that this narrative that Lindoras should be the captain, the

223
00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,520
Speaker 3: Doors should be named the captain, and then maybe if

224
00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,600
Speaker 3: he doesn't act captain like or the team doesn't make

225
00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,720
Speaker 3: him a captain suddenly when the media was putting him

226
00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,760
Speaker 3: position to be the captain, now that like has been

227
00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,520
Speaker 3: made captain, guess it must be a problems like this

228
00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,679
Speaker 3: was your guys thing all along? This would you guys

229
00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,840
Speaker 3: created It's just such like a dog running around chasing

230
00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:49,480
Speaker 3: his tail sometimes this stuff.

231
00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:50,600
Speaker 1: And me and you, I don't know if we talked

232
00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,320
Speaker 1: about this on the podcast where we talked about this

233
00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,360
Speaker 1: in person, but there always was gonna be a little

234
00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,720
Speaker 1: bit of a weird dynamic, and it's also gonna happen

235
00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,319
Speaker 1: with Soto now too on this team where but more

236
00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,200
Speaker 1: so with Lindor, because Lindor seemed like, you know, taking

237
00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,640
Speaker 1: over that captain role, taking over a leadership role for

238
00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,440
Speaker 1: this team when he came in, But there was guys

239
00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,280
Speaker 1: that had been here longer than him that also were

240
00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,160
Speaker 1: kind of already maybe thought that they were in that role,

241
00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,360
Speaker 1: like we heard with Attavino saying with Nimo Nim have

242
00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,440
Speaker 1: been with the organization forever. He'd been on the major

243
00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,720
Speaker 1: league roster for years and years before Francisco Lindor came.

244
00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,319
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's not a Lindor problem. I'm sure brand

245
00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,080
Speaker 1: Nim was like, hey, like I've been here for a while,

246
00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,760
Speaker 1: I'm the elder statesman, I'm this roster in this organization.

247
00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,080
Speaker 1: Like it's almost more of a slight to him rather

248
00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,240
Speaker 1: than a knock on Lindor. And even to Jeff McNeil's credit,

249
00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,960
Speaker 1: like he's outlived Lindor too in this organization. So there's

250
00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,760
Speaker 1: always that and this is not anti Lindor or the players,

251
00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,720
Speaker 1: but there is always a weird dynamic of a guy

252
00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,040
Speaker 1: coming in being kind of crowned a leader, when maybe

253
00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,360
Speaker 1: inside the clubhouse it could be a little bit different.

254
00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,920
Speaker 1: Like the fans of the media, everyone kind of gave

255
00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,240
Speaker 1: Lindor this captain thing just because he leads by example.

256
00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,160
Speaker 1: He's good, he's a great player, he made big moments

257
00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,360
Speaker 1: for us. But like you never heard players be like

258
00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,760
Speaker 1: franciscoln needs to be our captain or anything like that.

259
00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:02,640
Speaker 1: And that's fine too.

260
00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,120
Speaker 4: I have a unique holiday gift idea. It is called

261
00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:10,120
Speaker 4: Superpower because crats they care about you. It's a very

262
00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,640
Speaker 4: unique health platform. It's new, and it finally gets you

263
00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,920
Speaker 4: the answers that you need about what's really happening inside

264
00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:18,760
Speaker 4: your body and what to do about it.

265
00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,920
Speaker 2: I got the answers. I'm on the journey of what

266
00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,880
Speaker 2: to do about it. Why would I not want to

267
00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,840
Speaker 2: give it to one of my loved ones in my life.

268
00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,160
Speaker 4: Give your loved ones something that actually lasts. That's right, Krats,

269
00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,800
Speaker 4: better health and more time with you. If you go

270
00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,560
Speaker 4: to superpower dot com slash gift, you get a free

271
00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,520
Speaker 4: forty nine dollars premium gift box with your gifted membership

272
00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,720
Speaker 4: after you sign up to ask you how you heard

273
00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,800
Speaker 4: about them, please mention FT to support the show. One

274
00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:52,040
Speaker 4: simple lab test measures one hundred plus biomarkers. We're talking hormones, vitamins, minerals,

275
00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,760
Speaker 4: and so much more. You'll get a full health report

276
00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:59,280
Speaker 4: and a personalized action plan built by clinicians, including nutrition,

277
00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,480
Speaker 4: supplement and lifestyle guidance. Get after an FT fan.

278
00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,640
Speaker 3: And I think also this is natural, especially with the team.

279
00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,719
Speaker 3: You hear this from other teams sometimes, is that their

280
00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,760
Speaker 3: leadership kind of goes to the guys that make the

281
00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:12,600
Speaker 3: most money. So I think when you make that big

282
00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,760
Speaker 3: move for Cisco Lindoor, you're openly in front of the

283
00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,640
Speaker 3: world declaring this is now our franchise player that is

284
00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,679
Speaker 3: putting not captainship, but leadership responsibilities on set player. And

285
00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,680
Speaker 3: we have heard mixed things about for Cisco Indor's leadership

286
00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,760
Speaker 3: from the past. I know Jason Kipnis was critical of

287
00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,560
Speaker 3: the way he acted in Cleveland, but Lindor was also

288
00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,439
Speaker 3: twenty two twenty three years old at the time. With

289
00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,280
Speaker 3: those quotes from kipness kind of made their rounds and

290
00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,839
Speaker 3: Deishaw also talked about this and her piece again from

291
00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:35,400
Speaker 3: late September.

292
00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:36,520
Speaker 2: You guys shall check that out.

293
00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,839
Speaker 3: NIMO the longest tenured Met, prefers to have quieter one

294
00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,160
Speaker 3: on one conversations with teammates. Lindor is known for more

295
00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,199
Speaker 3: is known for his more outgoing, friendly and easygoing communication style.

296
00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,880
Speaker 3: They bring different things to the table and they've grown

297
00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,040
Speaker 3: to become close teammates, multiple players stepping up leading. The

298
00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,280
Speaker 3: staple of these mets, you're you kind of have your personality.

299
00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,320
Speaker 3: Personality is your personality. The second you try to be

300
00:12:58,320 --> 00:12:59,959
Speaker 3: someone you're not, that's kind of how you lose your sense.

301
00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,839
Speaker 3: So if Nimo is the guy that can go around

302
00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:04,800
Speaker 3: talk to players one on one and Lindor is kind

303
00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,880
Speaker 3: of more just like get lead by example, hang out,

304
00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,040
Speaker 3: be easy going, be a fun loving guy, those two

305
00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,320
Speaker 3: things can play well off each other. Maybe didn't play

306
00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,800
Speaker 3: well off perfectly enough for what the Best Clubhouse needed

307
00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,240
Speaker 3: last year, but it seems like they kind of knew

308
00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,120
Speaker 3: what their roles were in the clubhouse, but other people

309
00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,760
Speaker 3: tried to maybe put other different conceived roles on them

310
00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:22,480
Speaker 3: from the outside.

311
00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and last thing I'll say with this lind Or

312
00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,240
Speaker 1: McNeil's stuff too, is we knew this already. This wasn't

313
00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,560
Speaker 1: actually news, Like what do you think they had that

314
00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,240
Speaker 1: one fight and then they're gonna be best friends. You've

315
00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,320
Speaker 1: never seen them do anything with each other. Like we

316
00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,080
Speaker 1: we can read between the lines. Those guys just they're

317
00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,160
Speaker 1: not buddies, and that's okay too. You don't need to

318
00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:40,840
Speaker 1: be best friends with everyone that's on your dee.

319
00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,480
Speaker 3: Hell no, you don't need to best friends in a band.

320
00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:43,760
Speaker 3: Same you only need to be friends with the people

321
00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,440
Speaker 3: on your team. Just have to play well together and

322
00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,040
Speaker 3: have a good working want to win. Twenty twenty four,

323
00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,200
Speaker 3: I think in a way maybe gave us from the

324
00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,560
Speaker 3: outside unrealistic expectations for how clubhouses are supposed to act.

325
00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,079
Speaker 3: It did because like it was the happiest, most fun

326
00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:59,679
Speaker 3: loving thing in the world. That were making songs, were

327
00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,959
Speaker 3: jumping up as singing. But that's not really what baseball

328
00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,560
Speaker 3: teams are. It just isn't, and I think that it's

329
00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,280
Speaker 3: the reason he bias always plays in their heads. And

330
00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,439
Speaker 3: it was so fun from the outside to watch that end.

331
00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,760
Speaker 3: We give that style and that kind of moment, that

332
00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,520
Speaker 3: movement as a team credit for a lot of the

333
00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,600
Speaker 3: great things that happened, But that's not exactly one size

334
00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,800
Speaker 3: fits all. And we said this at Nauseam this year

335
00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,120
Speaker 3: that was something that was kind of wrong with this

336
00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,200
Speaker 3: club from the outside, seeming that looking at them, it

337
00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,720
Speaker 3: seemed like they were seeking similar magic. And that kind

338
00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,520
Speaker 3: of magic is not like it comes long once a

339
00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,840
Speaker 3: year magic. That's a once every fifty year kind of magic.

340
00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:35,280
Speaker 1: And that's okay, yeah, my not wrong, just early with

341
00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,200
Speaker 1: my twenty twenty four takes about that team and what

342
00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,080
Speaker 1: it would be moving forward. Not wrong, just early. And

343
00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:44,000
Speaker 1: I'll say this too in terms of oh man, I

344
00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:45,720
Speaker 1: lost my train of thought. I really had a good

345
00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,840
Speaker 1: thing about Lindor. Oh man, where was I going with this?

346
00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,000
Speaker 1: I got just go, oh, I know what it is like.

347
00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,280
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people will point to the Dodgers,

348
00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,720
Speaker 1: right and like Dodgers are like they're great, The vibes

349
00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,240
Speaker 1: are elite. Every fucking team in baseball's vibes be a

350
00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,360
Speaker 1: lead too. If you win the World Series every year,

351
00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,320
Speaker 1: if you're the best team in baseball. When you win,

352
00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,520
Speaker 1: it's a lot easier to enjoy yourself and have fun

353
00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,600
Speaker 1: playing the game than when you're losing and when the

354
00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,080
Speaker 1: team's struggling, and when you're one of the three or

355
00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,360
Speaker 1: four guys actually playing well and everyone else isn't stepping up,

356
00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,000
Speaker 1: and a lot of people were critical of the Dodgers'

357
00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,640
Speaker 1: attitude for lack of a better term, during the last

358
00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,200
Speaker 1: decade because they were always the absolute cockiest dudes on

359
00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:25,840
Speaker 1: the block and they didn't really have anything to show

360
00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,440
Speaker 1: for it until Shoho Tani walked through the door.

361
00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,880
Speaker 3: So again, like there's always kind of limitations to what

362
00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,120
Speaker 3: we see and what we understand about other teams and

363
00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,720
Speaker 3: clubhouse energies and attitudes from the outside.

364
00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,200
Speaker 2: It's always it's always tough for to tell this stuff.

365
00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,520
Speaker 3: And I also think, just to end this McNeil Lindor

366
00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,960
Speaker 3: stuff and then started to talk about wind or Solo stuff,

367
00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,000
Speaker 3: maybe it's not the biggest accident that the mess just

368
00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:48,800
Speaker 3: went out and got a goal glove second basement, you know,

369
00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,320
Speaker 3: Like that's I think there might have been some ideas

370
00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,480
Speaker 3: that again, while McNeil crads well as the second Basement,

371
00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,440
Speaker 3: there have been reports in the past that sometimes he

372
00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,720
Speaker 3: could freelance a little bit. There have been reports sometimes

373
00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,120
Speaker 3: he's not the reposition we know in the past. The

374
00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,960
Speaker 3: original time against the Diamondbacks that Lindoor got mad at

375
00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,080
Speaker 3: him over defensive laps. Like maybe again, this was a

376
00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,920
Speaker 3: moment where seven game losing streak, frustration boiled over. I'm

377
00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,560
Speaker 3: also sure if you ask for ciscool in door, if

378
00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,160
Speaker 3: that mental lapse thing is actually true, when the blow

379
00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:14,360
Speaker 3: up things actually true, is probably yeah.

380
00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,040
Speaker 2: I kind of probably regret going about it in that way.

381
00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,160
Speaker 3: But now you got a guy who has who's a veteran,

382
00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,760
Speaker 3: who has one of the best reputations based on Marcus Emian,

383
00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:27,160
Speaker 3: well respected, incredible defensive player, savvy, hard worker. Like it's

384
00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,080
Speaker 3: maybe it's not the biggest accident that that was who

385
00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,800
Speaker 3: the Mets saw it in a trade that not many

386
00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,360
Speaker 3: people really expected them to make and sending out Brandon Emo.

387
00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's talk about Soto Lindor comments, because

388
00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,560
Speaker 1: Mike this this is where Mike Puma really I feel like,

389
00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,120
Speaker 1: started to, uh, I don't know, take some liberties with

390
00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,400
Speaker 1: with things that he said. He again, he knew what

391
00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,120
Speaker 1: he was doing with the words that he chose here,

392
00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,280
Speaker 1: and it completely puts out a narrative that I'm sure

393
00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,480
Speaker 1: he would be like, I didn't say those things. That's

394
00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,280
Speaker 1: not what I was trying to say. You're taking my

395
00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,880
Speaker 1: words and twisting them like you're a fucking reporter man.

396
00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:00,240
Speaker 1: You knew exactly what you were doing.

397
00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,400
Speaker 3: And this also is kind of the vibe of the

398
00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,119
Speaker 3: New York Post. Like I think we all kind of

399
00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:06,959
Speaker 3: know that from living in the city. It's become at

400
00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,640
Speaker 3: times tab lloyd ish. But again, if you guys aren't

401
00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,720
Speaker 3: subscribed to New York Post Sports Plus, here are the

402
00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,720
Speaker 3: quotes for you guys. Another clubhouse source indicated that relations

403
00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,560
Speaker 3: between Lindor and Juan Solo were chilly following the latter's

404
00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,080
Speaker 3: arrival on a record seven hundred and sixty five million

405
00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:26,479
Speaker 3: dollar contract. Solo is very business like, all business, no fluff,

406
00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,000
Speaker 3: the source said. He wants to come to the yard

407
00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,560
Speaker 3: and work his tail off and win games. He's not

408
00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,600
Speaker 3: into fashion or any of that other stuff. Lindor is

409
00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,680
Speaker 3: into that. It's just two different personalities.

410
00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:37,760
Speaker 2: Continued.

411
00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:42,920
Speaker 3: There are questions over who exactly was leading the team. Lindor,

412
00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,520
Speaker 3: who has often been identified as potential captain material, seemed

413
00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,960
Speaker 3: to lose some of his grasp on the clubhouse so,

414
00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,600
Speaker 3: though hardly dispelled that notion with his assertion late in

415
00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,399
Speaker 3: the season as Starling Marte was the team captain. Marte

416
00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,479
Speaker 3: is literally the leader of this team, which again has

417
00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,639
Speaker 3: to rehash these quotes. I feel like he's actually the

418
00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,240
Speaker 3: captain of this team. So this said, he's bringing everybody together,

419
00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,840
Speaker 3: He's bringing the energy that we need. He's a guy

420
00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,040
Speaker 3: who has been stepping up every single time, it doesn't

421
00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,360
Speaker 3: matter what. So I think the biggest thing that has

422
00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,560
Speaker 3: been run with here is the one the chili relationship

423
00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,240
Speaker 3: and then the not into fashion or any of that

424
00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:15,680
Speaker 3: other stuff.

425
00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:16,840
Speaker 2: Right, that feels like spot to go to.

426
00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, cause the chili reception thing, it's like we're kind

427
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,360
Speaker 1: of having a lion off here, Like you know, line

428
00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,439
Speaker 1: doesn't this. It feels like we're doing that whole thing

429
00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,480
Speaker 1: again where it's like someone told me this one experience

430
00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,119
Speaker 1: that they had and this is now going to be

431
00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:31,919
Speaker 1: the truth.

432
00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,399
Speaker 2: And the part of this that gets really annoying is

433
00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,760
Speaker 2: that this is the blood in the water for the Sharks.

434
00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,600
Speaker 2: On Twitter, this is y this is chum.

435
00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:45,000
Speaker 3: So the tweet from New York Post Sports on November

436
00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,480
Speaker 3: twenty eighth, so that was Friday. It's six fifty four

437
00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:52,359
Speaker 3: pm revealed Francisco Lindor Jeff McNeil battled again and the

438
00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,280
Speaker 3: Mets short stops chili rapport with Wan so they'll help

439
00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,960
Speaker 3: doom twenty five season. And it's a picture of Lindoor

440
00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,840
Speaker 3: crazy with little pictures of so Neil, So they're basically

441
00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,040
Speaker 3: blaming franciscool Inndoor just had another banner season for the

442
00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,680
Speaker 3: Mets failing as a ball club this year. That guess

443
00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,400
Speaker 3: how many impressions that tweet has.

444
00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna be crazy high. I'll say four million.

445
00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,200
Speaker 3: Four million impressions, three point nine million impressions, and then

446
00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,280
Speaker 3: past that the original whereas it, yeah, the one from

447
00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,320
Speaker 3: the Aggregator one point five million impressions, and then Mike

448
00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,520
Speaker 3: Puma's other one that had that same thumbnail picture details

449
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,200
Speaker 3: of Mets discord revealed in their lost season, So Mike

450
00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,040
Speaker 3: Pumi used different pros than whoever's doing those captions for

451
00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,840
Speaker 3: the post. But just the fact that that's the headline

452
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,840
Speaker 3: that was viewed by four million people and then all

453
00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:38,840
Speaker 3: the other satellite ones that got there a couple hundred

454
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,199
Speaker 3: thousand impressions off it is really kind of ridiculous when

455
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,320
Speaker 3: you think about it. Yeah, especially because you're blaming for

456
00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,520
Speaker 3: you're saying Francisco Indor's relationship with Jef mcgeeal and Wansto

457
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,480
Speaker 3: doom the season, and then you click it, and I

458
00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:55,199
Speaker 3: also think it's incredibly incredibly lazy and like some other

459
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,680
Speaker 3: stuff I won't claim here to be like Wan Soda

460
00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,200
Speaker 3: is a hard working guy for insiscool Indoor like cares

461
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,320
Speaker 3: about fashion. Makes it seem my Francisco Inndoor is not

462
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 3: really worried about what's going on the field, makes it

463
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 3: see my Francisco Lindor unlike Jan Soda, which is crazy

464
00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,120
Speaker 3: because the original witch hunt was Juan Soto not being

465
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:11,920
Speaker 3: motivated to come play for this team.

466
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,760
Speaker 1: Now it's Sodo is the motivated one. Lindor worries about fashion,

467
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,000
Speaker 1: that's his big thing, and that feels so fucking lazy,

468
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,120
Speaker 1: especially when part of the thesis from the first part

469
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,280
Speaker 1: of this article was about Lindor being too intense about

470
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:23,919
Speaker 1: what was going on in the field, letting it defensive

471
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 1: laps his frustration boil over after that, but rating a teammate,

472
00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,960
Speaker 1: so it just kind of they kind of lose a point.

473
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 3: Inns.

474
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,040
Speaker 1: You kind of go back and forth in between what

475
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:32,879
Speaker 1: all this could have been. It feels like it's been

476
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 1: written at different times and it got put together, which.

477
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 2: Is also possible, Like that's also kind of it, And

478
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:38,920
Speaker 2: then again, I want to go back.

479
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 3: To Dsha articles. It's a great reporting this article. We

480
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,719
Speaker 3: hope to have Dshaw on the show soon. Last year

481
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 3: was Winster Meeting, so maybe we can make that annual thing.

482
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,879
Speaker 3: But Lindor talking about Sodo here, he's completely different than

483
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 3: how I was talking about how he responds to his

484
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 3: first season with the club. I tried to hug too much,

485
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:53,679
Speaker 3: and he has a good understanding of what he can

486
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 3: hug and stay within that. He hasn't changed once, so

487
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 3: he's definitely head of where I was and ahead of

488
00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 3: his age too. It's like, I understand that these guys

489
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 3: could possibly have not they they don't. They probably aren't

490
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 3: best friends. I think we're pretty certain these two guys.

491
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 2: Are not best friends.

492
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be making bets that they are. I think

493
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 1: realistically they are coworkers. I think they work on the

494
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 1: same team together and they're trying to accomplish the same thing,

495
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 1: which is when getting games for the New York Mets.

496
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 1: There's also like gets underscored a little bit too. There's

497
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,879
Speaker 1: a variety of difference in these guys too, just personally,

498
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,880
Speaker 1: like Jan Sota is a twenty six year old, twenty

499
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 1: seven year old who just got seven hundred million dollars

500
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 1: and we've known that. Like he pretty much like goes

501
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,919
Speaker 1: home and watches baseball, like he's just baseball, baseball, baseball.

502
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 1: He really doesn't do much. He has been out on

503
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 1: the town recently, but he really isn't doing much during

504
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,240
Speaker 1: the season. Lindoor baseball, baseball baseball, gets to the field

505
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: all business and then off the field. He's got a family,

506
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,119
Speaker 1: he's got kids. He posts about them so much like

507
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 1: they are also in such different points of their life

508
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: where they don't It would be almost like a little

509
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 1: bit weird if they were best friends like Wan Sotas

510
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,199
Speaker 1: seging out with the married guy all the.

511
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,200
Speaker 3: Time totally, and there's a difference between mutual respects and

512
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 3: like being friends. I think that's also okay. And there

513
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 3: was another great post from Manu Gomesmanja dot com. Manny

514
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 3: does a lot of them Spanish wards stuff in the

515
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 3: Mets beat, and he's in the clubhouse all the time too,

516
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 3: and he committed. And he was also the guy who's

517
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 3: on the front lines last year of the Jorge Lopez

518
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,640
Speaker 3: misquote from Steve Gelp. So again, we love mann He's

519
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 3: a great reporter there. Don't read too much into want

520
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 3: so the will Lindora's relationship. Are they different? Yes, aren't

521
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 3: we all here? Just like can confirm so though is

522
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 3: very business like, all about his family, Lindor is the same.

523
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 3: He also likes fashion.

524
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 2: That's it.

525
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that's okay. That's all this is is these

526
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 1: guys just go about their work in different ways, and

527
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: they're they're not breaking news. Not best friends. I think

528
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 1: everyone who watched the team knew that this year, and

529
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: that's that is so okay. Why why do they need

530
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 1: to be best friends? Why is that what has to happen?

531
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 2: It really doesn't.

532
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 3: There was another thing that went around hardcore this weekend

533
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 3: that Solo doesn't follow Lindor back on Instagram. Lindor follows him,

534
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 3: so it doesn't follow back. These guys don't touch their

535
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 3: own instagrams, not at all. Moncello is not even Moncella does.

536
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: Not use his own Instagram. Pret sure I know who

537
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 1: the guy is that run Instagram because I think he

538
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 1: follows me like Ijan Soto is not conscious about who

539
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,199
Speaker 1: he's following and whatnot, like you you think on these

540
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: posts he's the one going on there. He's like ooh,

541
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: scrolling Instagram, like I gotta comment. This also the way

542
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 1: that again go back.

543
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 3: To the Taher article over and over again because great recording,

544
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 3: great quote from solo here. It's my fourth different team

545
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 3: in four years. So I've been learning that things are

546
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 3: going to happen organically. So THO said, I don't have

547
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 3: to push it. I don't have to try for me.

548
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 3: The talks are going to come whenever you sit down

549
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 3: with your teammates, go out for dinner and stuff like that.

550
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 3: We've been doing that this year and we got to

551
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 3: know each other a little bit more. But like I said,

552
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 3: it will happen organically. You can't try to make it happen. Yeah,

553
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 3: I think that's force it fair for a.

554
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 2: Guy's been a four different teams in four years.

555
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: And then oh, I'll say this too, like we know,

556
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 1: like in the Dominican baseball world too, like Starling Martey

557
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: is a superstar guy.

558
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: He is.

559
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: He is a god in Dominican baseball history, in the

560
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 1: world like he's one of the best Dominican players of

561
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: all time. They love him. He's got the like third

562
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: most followers in Major League Baseball on Instagram, the Dominicans.

563
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: They love him, like Wan Soda is like I get

564
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: to play with Starling Morte. He's on this team. That's

565
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: my unk. I'm hanging out with him twenty four to seven. Like,

566
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: what do we write an article about us, Sorry Marte

567
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 1: or Wansor not hanging out with Pete Alonzo, Wansda, not

568
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: hanging out with Brandon Nemo. It's like just Francisco Lindor.

569
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 3: And also the way that that quote is because I

570
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 3: think we've come back to that quote a lot. Marte

571
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 3: is the leader of this team. I feel like he's

572
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 3: the actual captain. He's bring everybody to everybody together. Also,

573
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 3: to go back again to the d SHA piece, it

574
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 3: said so much about how that that was what Starling

575
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 3: Marte was doing this year, specifically bringing Wan Solo to

576
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 3: the team and everybody to one so though, because Wan

577
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 3: so is a pretty intimidating figure if you even want

578
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 3: to just look past the fact that he's had one

579
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 3: of the greatest starts to a career in Major League

580
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 3: Baseball history, or he looks like one of the greatest

581
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 3: left tended hitters of all time. Truthfully, in terms of

582
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 3: what you see on the field, you watch that guy play,

583
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 3: You're like, holy shit, he's so good.

584
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: Ridiculous.

585
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 2: I only think I can talk to him.

586
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 3: Put on top of that, he's making seven hundred and

587
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 3: sixty five million dollars. These guys know acutely when everybody

588
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 3: is making in that room. Everybody is very aware this.

589
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 3: Baseball players know exactly what that is. So I think

590
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 3: that can be something that is isolating a little bit.

591
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 3: And also the fact that Solo has a bit of

592
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 3: an isolating personality already, Like those two things go together,

593
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 3: And yeah, I'm sure he probably is kind of reserved

594
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 3: a lot of time, stays by himself, he said. There's

595
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 3: what Marte said, Solo sometimes feels like he has to

596
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 3: be separate from us, but no, I say, he has

597
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 3: to be closer to us. And throughout the season, Marte

598
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 3: encourage young players to go up to Soho, pick his brain,

599
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 3: start conversations with him, just to kind of help him

600
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 3: in great shame stuff back in Also, we do the

601
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 3: stupid pictures after every home run. Marte was like, take

602
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 3: this picture, hold this thing, smile, make a stupid face,

603
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 3: like just it does take a while to fit. And

604
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 3: there's a lot of weird fists in this mess clubhouse.

605
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 3: Guys who come from we said a few week, like

606
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 3: a few episodes ago, like from five different general managers.

607
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 3: We're in this clubhouse together. It's not it wasn't really

608
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 3: cohesively build team. It's I understand why Solo would think

609
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 3: that Marte is that guy because Marte's main focus is Wan.

610
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 3: So though like that, it makes sense that he'd be Yeah,

611
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:54,719
Speaker 3: he's the leader because like, look how much he's doing

612
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 3: for me.

613
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: And also at the same time, like with anything, the

614
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: new guy coming in, there's just gonna be time for that.

615
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: It needs to adjust, like unless you had a previous

616
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: relationship with any of the guys or like the Starling

617
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: more take connection thing, Like it's not just gonna be

618
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: overnight like it can be. It's not going to be

619
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: this time. And I don't think that's a problem. Also,

620
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: remember when Francis school Indoor got drilled in the head

621
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: by the Nationals. It was the first guy that ran

622
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: over to franciscol Indoor it was Wan Soto. He came in,

623
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: made sure he was good, Like there's no animosity between

624
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: these guys. Chili like fuck you, Mike Puma. That was

625
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: a ridiculous word to use.

626
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 3: I think that the like those specific words were important

627
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 3: to think about because like Chili, I could see how

628
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 3: it was like chili like especially like in April and May.

629
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 3: But that's not really an issue, like if guys in

630
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 3: the clubhouse who are kind of two of the top

631
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 3: guys was to hug and.

632
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: Kiss every time they see each other, like my man,

633
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: where you been, there was.

634
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 3: Too many that that's the opposite of that, and that

635
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 3: was too much of the chilliness. And again maybe the

636
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 3: fact that there is a personality missing from this met's

637
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: clubhouse that's part of this too, especially again the way

638
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 3: you should talk to an article. Nimo was the guy

639
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 3: who would go one on one with guys when Door

640
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 3: was kind of more of the gregarious guy, both leading

641
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 3: by example. He probably does have a bit of a

642
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 3: vacuum there, bit of a gap and who can be

643
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 3: like that like the har like the harthough literally because

644
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 3: these guys aren't hard though there wasn't really hard though

645
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: Jef thin Heal kind of is the hard though. I

646
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 3: don't think he's a hard though in like a in

647
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 3: like a way you're gonna hold young players accountable, like

648
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 3: you hear about guys like Brekman, like Wilson Contreres, going

649
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: player to player like identifying something can happen in a

650
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 3: game like why are you standing there? Why did you

651
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 3: throw that pitch in that spot? Where are you looking

652
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 3: for in that two one count? And you popped up

653
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 3: like being a hard though, but being a hard that

654
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 3: with good intentions. I think it's important for baseball teams,

655
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 3: and the Mets might like that.

656
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 1: You know. It's the easiest thing about this too, that

657
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: that makes me feel completely okay, it's all fucking narrative.

658
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: It's all narrative stuff. This has nothing to do with

659
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: what's going on on the field. It's because the Mets

660
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: had a bad season. It's because Francisco Lindoor and Wansoda

661
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: or two of the biggest names in baseball like this.

662
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,479
Speaker 1: It's a perfect storm for any reporter. This isn't even

663
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: a shot of Mike Puma for any reporter to do

664
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: something like this because the Mets are hot. Want Soto

665
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: is the highest paid athlete on the planet ever, biggest

666
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: contract ever given out to a playlier. Francisco Lindoor is

667
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: one of a fan favorites like this is this is

668
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: buzzwords ding ding ding, ring the alarms like we got

669
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: a banger here, guys.

670
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 3: And again, another part of this, too, is that the

671
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 3: brand of Montrade definitely was divisive. If that's it, Like,

672
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 3: you make a trade like that, you're definitely not gonna

673
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 3: make everybody in the building happy. You're not people who

674
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 3: are in the front office, people are in the coaching staff,

675
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 3: people who are the clubhouse tend it's players, Like there's

676
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: going to be different opinions of a lot of coaches

677
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 3: this year. Like again, like there's definitely going to be

678
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 3: some agitated people in that room, which is how articles

679
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: like this come to be. So just as fans up

680
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 3: to us to kind of be able to see through

681
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 3: the bullshit understanding there's definitely elements of truth in that

682
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: and like finding in that what we can And again

683
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 3: I think I think anyone could have told your fiscal

684
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 3: indor Jeffing Neil, probably not friends, probably not texting each other,

685
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 3: probably not what's going on this weekend.

686
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: Man, Like That's that's part of it too.

687
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 3: It's just this, it's interesting to get this now, that

688
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 3: timing of it, and I'm hoping we could kind of

689
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 3: put this behind this very quickly.

690
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: The last thing I'll say is I also think, like

691
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: again talking about like Soto's age versus Lindoor, like I

692
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: think people forget too a lot of times, like Juan

693
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: Soto is like relatively still insanely young, Like he's been

694
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: on four different teams four years in four years, like

695
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: he hasn't really had a chance to ever become a

696
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: leader for himself besides in how he plays, so like

697
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: I think there's a learning curve there from him, like

698
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: with Starling Marte talking about was like I had to

699
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: get Soda to come in with us and be like

700
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: come on, man, like it's good. I'm sure he kind

701
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: of felt like the new kid on the block at times,

702
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: which is I don't think I don't think it's a problem,

703
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: but I think this is natural. I think it just

704
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: gets magnified because the Mets stunk last year.

705
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: So Tho said that Marte would like slap in the

706
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: head and like pinch his arms.

707
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he's like, you're almost like annoying little brother,

708
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: except he's older than you.

709
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: He's you annoying uncle.

710
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 3: And then again, a big thing in this article was

711
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 3: that so giving martepe credit for ingrationting him with the

712
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 3: team and the Door crediting so though with being able

713
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 3: to filter out of the distractions, because we know the

714
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 3: Door spoken openly about that though that first season with

715
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 3: the team, that he couldn't really say no to anyone

716
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 3: or anything.

717
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: He almost took the leadership thing maybe too much on

718
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 2: his shoulders.

719
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: And we spoke to Beltron on this a few years

720
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: ago and he mentioned, like the reason they had a

721
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: bad first year was he needed to learn to say

722
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: no to people. And he felt that that that was

723
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: exactly what was going on Francisco Indoor his first season,

724
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 1: and I think he was right. It seems like Wan

725
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: solo no trouble saying to other people no, I fuck yeah, dog.

726
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: I love that again, Like this is I'm happy.

727
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: Just tell you the differences and personalities right there.

728
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 3: I'm happy we were able to squeak out thirty minutes

729
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 3: talking about this, which shows how.

730
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: Just sick in the head we are.

731
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 3: But I do think it's it's worthwhile having these conversations

732
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 3: because from the outside, it felt like the clubhouse wasn't

733
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: exactly the perfect mix.

734
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: And we've seen it's.

735
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 3: Been a massive change to it already beginning of the

736
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: off season. We haven't even had the the winter meetings yet,

737
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 3: and we had we just hugely changed the clubhouse dynamic.

738
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: I'll say I have no problem changing it didn't didn't

739
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: do us any good to have great or bad or whatever.

740
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: Let's let's change it up. Can't keep running back the

741
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: same thing thinking some of the difference is gonna happen.

742
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 2: No, definitely not. Also just quick housekeeping on stuff going

743
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 2: on in the Mets world.

744
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 3: When to get you guys? Another episode later this week,

745
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 3: see what see. I'm sure something crazy is gonna happen.

746
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: But Croda Sango has apparently come out and said he

747
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 3: wants to remain a Met So interesting about that?

748
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: Well, are you yeah?

749
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: You you don't you want to have to be moved

750
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 3: across the country to a strange place. I'm sure no

751
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 3: one if you're the same cultural descent, you don't want

752
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 3: to risk that.

753
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: It's more that he said it out loud.

754
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: How do you think that leaked?

755
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: He?

756
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 3: I think he told somebody will Sam and reported it.

757
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 3: Don't you think this feels like something where the Mechigan

758
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 3: trade offers that they don't think are good enough, you

759
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: kind of leak.

760
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 2: He actually don't want to get traded.

761
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 3: See if one more person does something a little bit better,

762
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 3: because you kind of put out there, you're.

763
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: Going to keep them.

764
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 3: It's definitely possible, right, they were also there there were

765
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 3: people thinking that David Serain's leaked to stuff to Mike Kuma.

766
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 3: That was some of the funniest things I have. What

767
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I was just I was bored. I was

768
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 3: taking a train into that I was rereading through Twitter replies.

769
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: That was one.

770
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: The funnest thing is that I read in my life.

771
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: That and Lane Kiff and tweets to were take the

772
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: internet this weekend.

773
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 3: Lankiff and tweets plus all my own personal Ohio State

774
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 3: Michigan slander.

775
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: That was.

776
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: This is one of my favorite Twitter days I've experienced

777
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: in a very very long time. The Lane Kiff and

778
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 3: contents incredible. So college football is the best. But that's

779
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: interesting with Kodai and also just we haven't talked about

780
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 3: with you guys. If you want to deeper talk about

781
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 3: the Dylan C's contract, check out our other channel to

782
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 3: wind up huge recap for you about that.

783
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: That contract was sick.

784
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 3: I credit the blue is for going out and giving

785
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 3: Dylan Sees a huge back. Some people think it's an

786
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 3: overpay with the deferred money, it's like seven for one

787
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 3: to eighty. It's a pretty fair contract. The years are

788
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 3: a little scary, but Dylan see's a good pitcher.

789
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: Dylan c's gonna be cheaper than Max Freed, like, and

790
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: I think could be very similar value given the changes

791
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: that he makes.

792
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 3: I think I think it's actually wind up being exactly

793
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: the same. Really, Okay, I think when the does aferred

794
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 3: money factors in for President Day's value of Freed eight

795
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 3: for two eighteen, That's what I'm thinking, rather than the

796
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 3: seven for one to eighty two or whatever that is. Yeah,

797
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,239
Speaker 3: the Yankees love stretching the contracts out a little bit

798
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 3: and going a little lower. Yeah, frequently making twenty twenty

799
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 3: two million per year. Two counts twenty seven millionyear though

800
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 3: against luxury taxes. He also has no no deferred money

801
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 3: in the Freed contract the well no trade clause.

802
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: Wow.

803
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 3: Interesting, So Big ziny Bone is twenty seven million year

804
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 3: against the luxury tax So the don't see cheaper against

805
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 3: the luxury atax and Max Freed.

806
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: I think that's a hilarious comparison to two pictures too.

807
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: It's also very funny because I know a lot of

808
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: people at times will get mad at us or get

809
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: mad at people on the internet for how you talk

810
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: about pitching, and they're like, dude, he's four or five, right,

811
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: and then you're like, oh, a team gave him two

812
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars in November, Like we don't say this

813
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: stuff to just toot our own horn, like this is

814
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: what people value, is what people look for.

815
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we also had the annual Thanksgiving fake fake

816
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: tweet that was that was Hector Gomez.

817
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: Right, Hector Gomez. What the fuck was that? Man?

818
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's trying to say that the Mets wort for

819
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 3: six for two hundred on Framber. I think it's funny

820
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: to think about it. Six for two hundred framber and

821
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: a seven for two ten seats, but really seven for

822
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 3: one eighty cs because I'd much rather have Dylan Ceas.

823
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: Oh if those compared contracts a million percent, would rather

824
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: have Seas. And I'll tell you this, there's no world

825
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: where David Surtns would sign Framber Valde. It's just six

826
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: for two hundred. That's like a gross overpay.

827
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: I don't think so either.

828
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 3: People sometimes talk about the fact that Steve Cohen actually

829
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 3: is a GM behind the scenes. Sometimes that would be

830
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 3: one where I would think that Steve Cohen is actually

831
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 3: behind the scenes.

832
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: Sometimes either is that or cerns just fucking he knows

833
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: something that we don't. Just still, I mean, Frambury is

834
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: still a good picture. But yes, but that's that's like

835
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: thirty three million a year.

836
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a scary contract, but I was I

837
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 3: think those jump scare for Mets fans. On Thanksgiving, which

838
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 3: is exactly a year to the day of Hector comes once,

839
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 3: so there was the Red Sox so just to you know,

840
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 3: take it all with the greend song.

841
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: Also, and it's.

842
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: Pretty close to when he told us that Francis Guavra

843
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: is so waiting for him to sign that contract extension.

844
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, wait, I think that what comes this off season.

845
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: But also it's it's kind of funny because Hector is

846
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 3: Gobert Gomez, his brother who is the Mets new first

847
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 3: base coach. Is he really Yeah, so people are like, oh,

848
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 3: he has inside scoop from my first base coach. Way,

849
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 3: I don't think a lot of lead executives president baseball

850
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 3: operations like bring in their first base coach, tell him

851
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 3: about about the moves they're being made, keep him in

852
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 3: the loop. I'd be shocked about that would be.

853
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: It was a it was a funny week.

854
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 3: It feels like we have a podcasts in a long time,

855
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 3: so nice to kind of just brain dump a lot

856
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 3: of the bullshit that happened last few days.

857
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: And I think that's pretty much it. We'll keep it

858
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: to about thirty minutes for you, guys. Thank you for watching,

859
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. Make sure you are subscribed to

860
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: Mets Up. You don't miss out any of the content.

861
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: If you're listening to US Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google drops

862
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: the rating, drops a review, download and subscribe. You can

863
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: follow James at James Hanna. I'm draftnick Mark. Thank you

864
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: guys for listening, Thank you for watching, and we will

865
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: catch you all later this week for what's probably gonna

866
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: be another chaotic episode because.

867
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: It's the Mets. See yeah, I'm sure. Let's go Mets guys,

868
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: and then.

869
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: And then and then