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Speaker 3: noon Pacific time here on the Monday after a wild

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Speaker 3: Fourth of July week?

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Speaker 4: What do you mean a wild prehi A wild pre

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Speaker 4: show meeting of the mines, and I mean we could

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Speaker 4: have did a three hour show on the industry, but

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Speaker 4: you know, behind the scenes storylines, I mean they're really doozy. Yeah, definitely,

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Speaker 4: mister Celsius. I blame Celsius. I love y'all's drinks, though.

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Speaker 5: It is Uh, it's been a How was the fourth

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Speaker 5: of July weekend. Huh did you? Because here's the probably.

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Speaker 5: It's on a weekend. It started on a friday, so

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Speaker 5: you just gave people an excuse to get butchered for

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Speaker 5: two days.

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Speaker 4: After you heard the wildest story. So we got a

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Speaker 4: rooftop lounge on my house. Right, So we're going upstairs. Everything,

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Speaker 4: well it must not be. We were up there, we're

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Speaker 4: hanging out, and the way it's set up, you can't

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Speaker 4: see us up there.

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Speaker 5: So if something's going on up there, you can maybe

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Speaker 5: hear it.

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Speaker 4: Possibly, or if you do something like say we were

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Speaker 4: to shoot fireworks off or something like that, you might

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Speaker 4: have an idea that, Okay, they can get up on

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Speaker 4: the roof whatever. Right, but it's a balcony, it's it's

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Speaker 4: a rooftop lone. So we go up there and we

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Speaker 4: have one of those, we have a safe portable fire pit.

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Speaker 4: Fire pit gets let lit up. But here's what here's

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Speaker 4: the problem. The girls go up to do it and

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Speaker 4: they put five door of flames on there. Five so

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Speaker 4: you got this big ass flame and the flame was

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Speaker 4: giving off black smoke. Right, So we're sitting up there,

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Speaker 4: we're listening to music, we're having a good time. We're looking.

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Speaker 4: We can see all of the fireworks from the piers

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Speaker 4: in the beach City, South Bay all the way out

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Speaker 4: to wherever Orange County. You could just see all of

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Speaker 4: the fireworks going off. So we're watching the fireworks and

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Speaker 4: I'm like, man, these these firemen are going the police

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Speaker 4: are going to have a busy night because you could

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Speaker 4: see the random fire works going up right, which, by

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Speaker 4: the way, fireworks in la is really a thing.

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Speaker 5: I heard fireworks from nine a m.

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Speaker 4: Literally non stop until I went to sleep at like

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Speaker 5: Yeah, white people light fireworks off during the day.

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Speaker 6: I mean it was the entire day.

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Speaker 5: All you heard was oh the whole day.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, back to my point, so the fire's going up,

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, man, firemen, cops, they're gonna have to

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Speaker 4: And sure enough you see a fire engine come out,

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Speaker 4: I'm like, oh man, you hear some fireworks going off

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Speaker 4: in our area. So it's like the firemen come up

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Speaker 4: Something going on right then I looked at our fire pit.

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Speaker 4: I was like, this fire is high. They drive past

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Speaker 5: I was like, yep, they coming here.

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Speaker 4: and they were really really cool. I'm big time, you know,

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Speaker 4: Man, we walk up, they look at it, They're like, man,

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Speaker 4: everything's cool. He's like, but your neighbors are freaking out.

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Speaker 4: They thought that bad boy was burning down. So anyways,

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Speaker 4: fire engine pulling down our street, then the fire department

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Speaker 4: So there you go. Emergency crew first responders came to

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Speaker 5: You know what blows my mind the number of people

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Speaker 5: seeing all the injuries, seeing all that, and still being like,

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Speaker 5: got it this year, I got it. Don't warn let's

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Speaker 5: let's fire off four or five mortar bombs within close

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Speaker 5: in La everybody was. Yeah, they were.

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Speaker 4: I mean from nine am, literally from nine am to

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Speaker 5: So growing up in southern California. And two you might

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Speaker 5: remember this, but it used to be if you wanted

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Speaker 5: to get fireworks, you had to go to a place

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Speaker 5: called Fillmore. Did you have to go somewhere out Yeah,

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Speaker 5: all the way inland to this small town of Fillmore

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Speaker 5: by the way. Il Pescador, a great Mexican spot out there.

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Speaker 5: But that was the place if you if somebody told you, hey,

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Speaker 5: back a Roman candle, like a box of Piccolo Pete's.

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Speaker 5: Like it was like this undercover, under the radar spot

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Speaker 5: Like there's some rock band trying to make it in

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Speaker 4: Crazy you get fireworks, rocket launchers, grenade launchers.

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Speaker 5: I don't understand, oozies.

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Speaker 4: It's just it used to be really hard to get

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Speaker 4: right there, there you go some more. There's some fireworks

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Speaker 4: right there like I was like, over the weekend, I

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Speaker 4: was talking Isaac Lohancrawn, who's an anchor at Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 5: I was like, what's that. He goes, oh, yeah, it's

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Speaker 5: an alley near our place and people light off fireworks there.

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Speaker 5: And he sent me a video. I'm like, oh, you

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Speaker 5: mean all this illegal activity on video?

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Speaker 6: You mean all that? He no, no, no.

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Speaker 5: Sheriff came by and said, hey, you guys are good.

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Speaker 5: Enjoy your Fourth of July. I won't tell you what.

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Speaker 5: Wait what that's just all of a sudden allowed. But

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Speaker 5: apparently that's what fourth is, the lies turned into. I

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Speaker 5: will say some of the dopest fireworks shows. One is

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Speaker 5: in State College, the one they do at Beaver State.

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Speaker 5: It's it's like connected and then sync with like music.

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Speaker 5: It's pretty dope.

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Speaker 4: Man, Like, if you're able to go to a fireworks show,

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Speaker 4: that's like really a show, like even the one at

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Speaker 4: Disney they do every night.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, oh that's.

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Speaker 4: What the lasers and fireworks and on a crazy man,

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Speaker 4: when you could do it when somebody's doing it right,

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Speaker 4: I've never got any type of a rush or any

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Speaker 6: I gotta like this bad, let's do it. Like that's just.

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Speaker 4: Never been my thing. I don't know. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: don't know why that is. But but some people really

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Speaker 5: Man, they love seeing the they lighten the fuse. N

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Speaker 5: It's like, dude, augusta win. That thing tilts over and

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Speaker 4: I was just seeing it all on social media where

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Speaker 5: Like hit hit family members like why did you do it?

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Speaker 5: I know it Like I always tell this story, but

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Speaker 5: I remember reading about this. There was some dude in Maine.

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Speaker 5: And then light it. What here's how the ending of

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Speaker 6: Okay, what are you doing?

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Speaker 4: I don't under There was a couple of dudes that

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Speaker 4: like get in my belly, and you know what they

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Speaker 5: The man's jewels was in his belly by the time.

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Speaker 4: It's just it's the dumbest thing that people do to

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Speaker 4: try to go viral sometimes is during the fourth of July,

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Speaker 4: fourth of July weekends that they it's crazy what people

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's it's I don't I don't understand it.

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Speaker 6: I don't know. Uh.

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Speaker 5: And I would also say this, if you want to

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Speaker 5: spoil yourselves, because Collins in Chicago and Ryan Music will

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Speaker 5: be out there, let me just little little recommendation. You

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Speaker 5: go to Navy Peer. There's a restaurant at Navy Peer

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Speaker 5: right up on top and during the summertime they light

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Speaker 5: off fireworks two days a week. It's awesome. And the

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Speaker 5: best part is professionals are doing it.

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Speaker 4: Go figure, it's not How many professionals do you think

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Speaker 4: do the fireworks during the course of a fourth of

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Speaker 4: July day?

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Speaker 5: Less than one percent? Yeah, less than one percent.

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Speaker 4: All I know is you can't comprehend it unless you

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Speaker 4: lived it. Nine a m. I was awaken. My windows

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Speaker 4: And then I asked a couple of people like, man, yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's four for July. Like what you may is four

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Speaker 4: It's me three time pro bowler LeVar Arrington, and I

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Speaker 5: You know, apparently not everybody feels like they were told

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Speaker 5: bit him in the ass a little bit. And you know,

438
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 5: he's in a bad spot. So he got his contract.

439
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 5: He got his contract. What type of a bad spot

440
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Speaker 5: is he in? He didn't get the contract of a backup.

441
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 5: He got the contract of a starter. You're you've got

442
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Speaker 5: the contract of a starter.

443
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Speaker 4: Your team didn't definitively take a strong step in and

444
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:04,360
Speaker 4: winning last year. Atlanta still a question mark team. Michael Pennix.

445
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 4: People are excited about him, but it's still a question

446
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 4: mark question mark for him at quarterback as to what

447
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 4: he can do for this team. I think he may

448
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 4: have released this prematurely. There's no reason for you to

449
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 4: put this out there. The bottom line is you might

450
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 4: have ended up in the same exact situation in Minnesota.

451
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 4: You might have got the yips, you might have played bad,

452
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 4: and maybe JJ McCarthy doesn't get hurt, maybe he takes

453
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 4: your position. Maybe you're a backup with a starting quarterback

454
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 4: salary and you have to eat it like anybody else

455
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 4: who loses their job. And one of the most competitive

456
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 4: industries that exists in the world.

457
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Speaker 5: I think he took on too much, to be honest

458
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 5: with you. I think he got to Atlanta and he

459
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 5: took on recovering from an injury, learning an entirely new system.

460
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 5: Oh and by the way, the clock's ticking because we

461
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 5: just drafted a guy eighth overall.

462
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Speaker 4: So all you got to do is eliminate. Eliminate one

463
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Speaker 4: of those those components. If you're in maybe even two,

464
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 4: you eliminate because he has to still deal with coming

465
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 4: off of the injury, even if he's in Minnesota, And

466
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 4: as far as going and learning a new offense, that

467
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 4: would be the only one that you would eliminate because

468
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 4: you were still going to have to fight if they

469
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 4: kept Kirk Cousins. I do not believe that that impacts

470
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Speaker 4: if they take a quarterback or not. In fact, I

471
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Speaker 4: think that that's why Kirk Cousins got the hell out

472
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 4: of that. Yeah, because they told him that we're taking

473
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Speaker 4: a quarter in the end if he decided to stay.

474
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Speaker 4: If you decided to stay and they draft a quarterback,

475
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 4: all of the circumstances he's facing it accept the playbook

476
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 4: are still in play. You gotta try to come back

477
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 4: from off of the injury. You gotta come back, and

478
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 4: you gotta hold off the rookie. It's happened before. It's

479
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 4: happened before. There have been quarterbacks that have been established

480
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 4: quarterbacks for their team. Somebody gets drafted and they're competing

481
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 4: for that job. In fact, for what it's worth outside

482
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Speaker 4: of it being a high draft pick. That's the only

483
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 4: thing that makes it a more valuable conversation, because the

484
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 4: bottom line is every single roster spot, not just starting,

485
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 4: every single roster spot is an intense battle to get it.

486
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 4: It's like playing It's like having the most amazing athletes

487
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 4: play musical chairs with one seat. Who's going to get it?

488
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 4: That's the NFL. So to me, you got to always

489
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 4: be prepared to compete. So, whether it was a high

490
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 4: draft pick or not, who's ever backing you up? They

491
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 4: want they most likely want to start. They most likely

492
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 4: want your job so that they can put themselves in

493
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 4: position where they can ask for the type of money

494
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 4: you're making. You're always competing, so there's no to me,

495
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 4: there's no such thing as in this type of scenario,

496
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 4: in this in this topic line that you can say

497
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 4: you were misled, because the bottom line is if you

498
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 4: don't understand coming into the National Football League that you

499
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 4: just got drafted or you just got hired to take

500
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 4: somebody else's job for lesser money, and that's every single

501
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 4: person that's brought in. If you don't understand that coming in,

502
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 4: then you're behind. You're behind. You can't mislead Oh, I

503
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 4: thought I was coming in just to be the starter.

504
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 4: You're just gonna only have me as a starter. No,

505
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 4: there's somebody there that if they can get the same

506
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 4: results from you, like as Sam Darnold, and they don't

507
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 4: have to pay you what they pay a Patrick Mahomes

508
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 4: or Dak Prescott or Joe Burrow. If they don't have

509
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 4: to pay that, that's who they're going with until they can't.

510
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 4: That's why rookie contracts are so important. I don't have

511
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 4: to pay you for being amazing. I got three four

512
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 4: years that I can go maybe more, maybe longer if

513
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 4: I want, and I can get that talent at this price.

514
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 4: Bottom line, I feel bad for Kirkcutsis. You should let

515
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 4: me tell you why.

516
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 5: Why, Because this would have been the equivalent to the

517
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 5: seventy two Dolphins perfect season. When it came to the

518
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 5: business standpoint of the NFL, he could have walked away

519
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 5: and said.

520
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 6: Got them all beat.

521
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:59,479
Speaker 5: Everybody, got franchise tagged twice in Washington, got all that money,

522
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 5: and and then became the first guy to get a

523
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 5: fully guaranteed contract. He even dangled Minnesota and the Jets

524
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 5: against each other and then sold everybody on. I took

525
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 5: three million dollars less to go play in Minnesota because

526
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 5: I liked it more. And then he was about to

527
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 5: get another extension. All of a sudden, he gets an injury,

528
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 5: and he says, you know what, Oh, you're going to

529
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 5: draft a quarterback. No worry, I'll continue this bank heist.

530
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 5: I'll go to another bank in Atlanta and I'll take

531
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 5: from them. And he was about ready to get out

532
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 5: of there coming off an injury, with all those hundreds

533
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 5: of millions of guarantees that he's got and all of

534
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 5: a sudden, the damn Falcons front office is waiting outside

535
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 5: with a squad car and they scoop him up. And

536
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 5: there goes this perfect run in the NFL business world,

537
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 5: gone man up and vanished like a fart in the wind.

538
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 5: Could have been perfect, everything lined up just right, and

539
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 5: the damn Falcons ruined it all. Feel bad for Kirkus. Wow,

540
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 5: he got the contract. Yeah, but now he's stuck as

541
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 5: a backup. He's trying to get the hell out of there.

542
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 5: Hold on, hold on. It's all about perspective.

543
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 4: If again, let me reiterate, he could have been stuck

544
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 4: as the backup at Minnesota.

545
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, but he liked it there. It was perfect, Everything

546
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 5: was perfect.

547
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 6: Well, didn't take a pay cut and go back. Take

548
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 6: a pay kuite, go back.

549
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 4: They misled you, get back some of that signing bonus

550
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 4: and go back. He was to me, to me, yeah,

551
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 4: right to me, he's already he's already won. It's not

552
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 4: he didn't blemish his perfect record of handling business at

553
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 4: at a at a high level, not at all. He

554
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 4: got his contract. He wasn't misled on his contract. He

555
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 4: wasn't misled on them numbers. Now if he comes out

556
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 4: and he says, some of this stuff is based off

557
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 4: of incentives and escalators and playing time. Okay, I get

558
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 4: that if you were misled that way he has he

559
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 4: has a legitimate right.

560
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 5: He has a le I didn't make great.

561
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 4: But as far as I'm concerned, the reason why he's

562
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 4: in the Hall of Fame of doing business and doing

563
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 4: contract is because he gets his money. The money that

564
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 4: he's going to get, he's going to get whether he's

565
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 4: a backup or whether he's a starter. And if that's

566
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 4: the case, he's already winning. You're winning. Michael Pennix has

567
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 4: all the pressure on him. If he doesn't prove out,

568
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 4: they didn't move you. You're the backup. Something jumps off,

569
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 4: you get back in, take your shot, and then whatever

570
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 4: happens next you leverage it to maybe try to get

571
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 4: another deal out of it.

572
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 6: That's how it works.

573
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 4: No reason to have hard feelings, no need to feel

574
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 4: sorry for him, and no need to be a victim

575
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 4: in the matter.

576
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 5: Hey, you know, Kirk, I support you, man, you know

577
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 5: your pursuit for perfection, and all of a sudden the

578
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 5: falcon's ruined it all.

579
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Speaker 7: It's too bad, man.

580
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

581
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Speaker 2: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and

582
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Speaker 2: Jonas Knox weekday at six a m.

583
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Speaker 5: Eastern three am Pacific. Right now, we turn it over

584
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 5: to the man himself, the one and only Petros Papadakas,

585
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 5: the co host of the Petros and Money Show, which

586
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 5: you can hear on the Blowtorch AM five seventy l A.

587
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 5: Sports Fox college football analysts get him on X at

588
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 5: the old p Petros. Good morning, how are we feeling?

589
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 6: Good morning? Sorry about that.

590
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 9: I've been on vacation and uh, obviously a little slow

591
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 9: to get back to the real world, but I'm back

592
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 9: at work today.

593
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 5: No, you're good right now? How was how was vaccause?

594
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 5: You're you don't really robbed?

595
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 9: You don't You don't really like you stole my wallet

596
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 9: out of my car.

597
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 5: Oh you were literally robbed.

598
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 6: Yes, that was robbed. So I spent a lot of

599
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 6: time my credit cards and stuff like that.

600
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 9: Damn well, I've always robbed of my happiness by my family,

601
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 9: but other than that, this time I was really robbed.

602
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 5: Because I've talked to you before about it, and you

603
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 5: don't really like traveling, you don't you know.

604
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 6: No, I just drove to San Diego though. It's a

605
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 6: big deal.

606
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, did they get your real ID?

607
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 6: Yeah? Well I don't know.

608
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 4: I mean, even if I haven't just cure you didn't

609
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 4: go get your real ID yet.

610
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 6: I don't know. I went to the DMV a couple

611
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 6: of years back, but probably not.

612
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 4: A real ID has like a little beer on it

613
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 4: or something like that.

614
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 7: For California.

615
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 6: Well, I got to get it canceled either way.

616
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 5: So so yeah, no, I got though.

617
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 9: But now I'm back. I'm back in the city and

618
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 9: I'm ready to work today.

619
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 5: So it's good and just in time.

620
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 7: Dodgers haven't returned, I.

621
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 5: Say, just in time for the Dodgers.

622
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 6: How many straight is that? Is that?

623
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 9: Five straight? They've lost us. Yeah, they got swept by

624
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 9: Hugh Stone who came in and put it on him.

625
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 9: And then yesterday they only scored one run. Oh, Tony

626
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 9: had a home run. But they lost in Milwaukee, and

627
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 9: they lost a game one in Milwaukee.

628
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 6: So today is the getaway day. It's an early game in.

629
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 9: Milwaukee, and they stopped hitting, you know they they sure

630
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 9: every once in a while a pitcher goes up there

631
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 9: and gets his boobs ripped.

632
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 7: Off.

633
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 9: But for the most part, it's it's you never heard

634
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 9: that term before. No, I never learned that term was.

635
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 9: That was a I never knew that term either, but

636
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 9: it was a bait. I lived with baseball players when

637
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 9: I was first at USC because I was ineligible from

638
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 9: a transfer and I was white, so.

639
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 6: I didn't really know anybody on the team.

640
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 7: Wait, you're white.

641
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, it's crazy that.

642
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 9: That's what Jim Harbaughs sounded exactly like when I told

643
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 9: him Toby Gerhart was white right when he got the

644
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 9: Stanford job.

645
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 6: Wait, why Gerhart's white? Yep, that's what he said. Man.

646
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 7: I was today years old when I knew that. Man,

647
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 7: I thought he was light skinned.

648
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 6: That's a true story, though, I mean I I was. Well.

649
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 9: First, let's let's unpack this first many many years ago.

650
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 7: I was.

651
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 9: I was the USC analyst on the local, back when

652
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 9: we really used to do local sports cable TV, like

653
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 9: local programming at night, local programming all the time.

654
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 6: They don't do it anymore.

655
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 9: But USC was about to play Michigan in a Rose Bowl.

656
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 9: Pete Carroll would have been the head coach. So it's

657
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 9: probably like going into two thousand, going into the two

658
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 9: thousand five season. This is the end of the two

659
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 9: thousand and four season, so I think us he's playing

660
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 9: Michigan in a Rose Bowl. So Jim Harbaugh, who just

661
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 9: took the Stanford job from USD, was hired to be

662
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 9: the Michigan analyst guy, and I was the USC analyst guy.

663
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 9: So I just sat up there with Harbaugh and he

664
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 9: had just gotten the job, like two days before, had

665
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 9: accepted the Stanford job. And I remember sitting in with

666
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 9: him and he's like, well, who's.

667
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 6: On my team?

668
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 9: You know, because I had called a couple of Stanford

669
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 9: games that year. I think Walt Harris or somebody was

670
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 9: to call Buddy Tevens or some terrible failure.

671
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 6: Uh and uh.

672
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 9: I said, well, you know you got the kid Delano

673
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 9: Howel from Hart Highs and aggressive kind of safety or whatever.

674
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 9: And Toby Gerhart, you know, the running back on a Norco,

675
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 9: the white kid.

676
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 6: He goes, he's white. We don't want them to get out.

677
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 9: They ended up the Hallway probably should have won the Heisman,

678
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 9: you know, over mark Ingram who had a great year too.

679
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 6: But yeah, that was funny. He is white. But what

680
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 6: was the other one?

681
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 5: By the way, I didn't realize Toby Garrett the other one.

682
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 9: Yeah, no, the other one running back would have been

683
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 9: like Christian McCaffrey. But the booms being ripped off was

684
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 9: a that was a baseball thing. Like I lived with

685
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 9: baseball players and you know, they'd be playing north Ridge

686
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 9: on a Tuesday night, you know, come back seven hours

687
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 9: later because the bats are made of metal, ping pong

688
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 9: baseball and college baseball, and I'd say, you know, did you.

689
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 6: Guys win or whatever?

690
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 9: Notherton got his boobs ripped off, and like what what

691
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 9: happened on?

692
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 6: You know? Or he got his tse lit. You know

693
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 6: they used to say that to.

694
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 4: Other other running back. I'm big tenor so you got

695
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 4: to throw Mike Alstart in there. I mean, that's just

696
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 4: for me college wise. I just I got to make

697
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 4: sure that I throw my boy in there.

698
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 9: But he was a he was a ball carrier, but

699
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 9: oftentimes he lined up at the full back position.

700
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 6: They did you know his agility, Oh he was wonder

701
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 6: don't get me wrong, but.

702
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 5: People didn't realize how I dow that dude.

703
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 7: And how fast was man?

704
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 9: Yes, he had great feet and he had a real

705
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 9: quick burst.

706
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 5: But the most did the most important attribute was that

707
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 5: he's white.

708
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 9: To me, the most important attribute at all start was

709
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 9: the fact that he didn't line up a tailback often.

710
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 6: I mean, if they.

711
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 9: Wanted to give m right, if they wanted to give

712
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 9: him the ball like consistently, then he'd get he'd get

713
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 9: in at.

714
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 6: Tailback and then he do position.

715
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 9: But a lot of the time, you know, he was

716
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 9: running the ball from the full back position or just

717
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 9: playing or just playing a traditional fullback and doing all

718
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 9: the other fullback stuff. He was pretty remarkable, he really was. Yeah,

719
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 9: I loved him as a back, but it was really

720
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 9: interesting because a lot of what he did was from

721
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 9: maybe in a more traditional offense two or three yards

722
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 9: deep at the.

723
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 6: Full back position, you know, right behind the quarterback. And

724
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 6: that's hard.

725
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 9: I mean, yeah, you're right up into the line of

726
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 9: scrimmage quickly. But for a guy with really good feet

727
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 9: that can stop and start like him and move, that's

728
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 9: not exactly where you want to be.

729
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he.

730
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 9: Was really able when he ran the ball from close

731
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 9: to the line of scrimmage. I mean, that's really remarkable

732
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 9: because I don't think there's been I mean, I saw

733
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 9: kid in college who I've never gotten over, and he's

734
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 9: one of the greatest players I've ever seen, and he's

735
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 9: probably like blowing people up with a computer.

736
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 6: Keyboard.

737
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 7: Now.

738
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 9: He's an Air Force player, a white kid who played

739
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 9: fullback for them, and I think he had like at

740
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 9: least one two thousand yard season, maybe close.

741
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 6: Brad Roberts was his name.

742
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 9: He blew me away, like that kid blew me away

743
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 9: because he didn't look like anything. Like he didn't look

744
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 9: like anything, and he was right up in there, you know,

745
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 9: and you'd give him the ball and every one yard

746
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 9: run became a four yard run almost to where you

747
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 9: didn't even notice. And then you'd be like Jesus and

748
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 9: like you'd never even see him break free. But you

749
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 9: look at the stats at the end of the game

750
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 9: and what he was able to do for a season

751
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 9: and how he kept coming, and that was pretty remarkable.

752
00:38:59,480 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 6: But he was.

753
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 9: But he was such a forward leaning back, a stilted back.

754
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 5: I remember that guy.

755
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was unbelievable. Look up of stats.

756
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 9: But he was like a stilted back, right like leaning forward,

757
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 9: like if no one was there to tackle him, just

758
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 9: like me, it was likely he'd.

759
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 6: Fall forward anyway. But it's true.

760
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 9: But but all start, that's what was remarkable about him

761
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 9: bringing it up is that a lot of the time

762
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 9: when he ran the ball.

763
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 6: Close to the line of scrimmage, he was able to.

764
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 9: Stop and start and that's really hard to do.

765
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 4: But yeah, you change directions. Yeah, he's and stuff, and

766
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 4: people was making business decisions when they was like, it was.

767
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 6: Like, oh there he is.

768
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 10: Like he'd appear, like you said, he get the ball

769
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 10: so quick, he'd appear you'd be like, by the time

770
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 10: you realized that you had to knuckle up for him,

771
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 10: he's already pasted you.

772
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 7: But anyways, I'm a big mike all stop.

773
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 5: He was great.

774
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 6: Hail Us was good too.

775
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 5: He wore the same he wore the same face mask.

776
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 6: I did the bulldog muzzle.

777
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 4: You know we I haven't brought that into existence, you

778
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 4: know what I mean.

779
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 6: Send me a bulldog muzzle, send me a photo of it.

780
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 6: I'll buy one. Uh my uh.

781
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 9: I did an Arkansas game once where their backfield was

782
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 9: Houston Nutt was the coach. Their backfield was Peyton Hillis

783
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 9: we returned punts uh Felix Jones and and uh McFadden.

784
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 9: Yeah that's crazy, like and they lost by seventy points

785
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 9: to USC. I'll never forget we did that. Uh we

786
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 9: had we had Arkansas USC and it was like the

787
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 9: very first game or the second game of the year

788
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 9: where they were really special. Was the beginning of the

789
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 9: two thousand and five season where every the world was

790
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 9: about Matt Lioner and Reggie Bush and Lindale and Dwayne

791
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 9: Jared and these teams were filled with superstars. This is

792
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 9: the year. They ended up losing that game to Texas

793
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 9: and the Rose bull But the very first game of

794
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 9: the year, they're playing Arkansas. Okay, you know, I don't

795
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 9: know a lot of SEC teams. I mean, this is

796
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 9: and this is before the SEC. I mean it's around

797
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 9: that time when the SEC was starting to build their strength.

798
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 9: USC was dominating college football. Oklahoma was really good. And

799
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 9: I remember being in the meeting with Houston Nutt and

800
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 9: I forget the name of their their decordinator. His first

801
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 9: name was Reggie and he was like a big old

802
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 9: southern white guy too, and they were just preaching like

803
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 9: this USC they're another They're like a They're like a

804
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 9: medio GRASSYC team.

805
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 6: We're gonna be five. I'll tell you what there you

806
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 6: won't see. You won't see guys just running free out there.

807
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 9: And I was like, I was sitting in the meeting,

808
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 9: I want you know, I'm not a Homer broadcaster, and

809
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 9: if anything, I'm worse than that and or the other way.

810
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 6: And I was like, yeah, this sounds about right.

811
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 9: You know, these guys are gonna come and slap USC

812
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 9: in the hands show Pete Carroll teach them a little something.

813
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 9: Just in the back of my mind, I said, this

814
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 9: guy might know what he's talking about.

815
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 6: The game was literally seventy to seven.

816
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 9: Like the fact that they said no one was going

817
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 9: to be running free was like the prophecy that everybody

818
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 9: was going to be running free. Like, I don't know

819
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 9: whether everybody was running free. They scored seventy points.

820
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 7: I believe crazy man.

821
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 9: And I never go down on the field after a

822
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 9: game unless I have to do an interview or something.

823
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 9: I went down on the field just to see if

824
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 9: I could catch eye contact with the decordinator, Like, hey,

825
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 9: remember when you said, like just because it was so

826
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 9: it was such a contrast to what would happen. But

827
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 9: it was amazing that they had that backfield and they

828
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 9: couldn't even generate first down.

829
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 5: I remember going to a USC Washington game when Tyrone

830
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 5: Willingham was the coach at Washington and it was at

831
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 5: the coliseum and betting on Washington because they were getting

832
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 5: thirty four points and USC still covered. It just wasn't close,

833
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 5: like there was no there was nobody close to them.

834
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 9: Well, they used to blow people's doors off late right

835
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 9: like they would they would find a way to do

836
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 9: whatever in the game, and then in the fourth quarter

837
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 9: their run game just became so dominant when Lyndale White

838
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 9: running the zone. But those Ty Willingham Washington teams are

839
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 9: interesting because one year at Fox they went owen, they

840
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 9: went ohen twelve, right, they lost every game, and then

841
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 9: hired Steve Sarkisian. After that they were rating so well,

842
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 9: like we had a couple of games early and they

843
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 9: were really highly rated because even though they were so bad,

844
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 9: the whole city of Seattle wanted and fired so bad.

845
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 6: He came like watching a car accident.

846
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 9: They they sent us up there for six of those

847
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 9: guy called six of the games in his O to

848
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 9: twelve season or something, and it was just can you

849
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 9: imagine what it was like doing that meeting again in November,

850
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 9: Like they fired him like on Halloween and let him

851
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 9: play out the street and he just was gonna you know,

852
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 9: because you don't like just fire Ty Willingham in the

853
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 9: middle of the season. He was too nice of a

854
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 9: guy or too honorable of a character or whatever. So

855
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 9: we would literally sit in the meetings like, yeah, what.

856
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 6: Do you think?

857
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 9: Well, I don't think we're gonna win? Okay, well is

858
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 9: that when we used to say that in the open

859
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 9: or what should we do?

860
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 6: Like?

861
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 9: That was the most That was a real march to

862
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 9: to uh to futility.

863
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 6: That was tough.

864
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 9: I was I usually never care where they send me

865
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 9: to do it back then, I just go wherever, and

866
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 9: I never worried about what game we were going to

867
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 9: have or who was in it, or whether it was

868
00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 9: a good game or not.

869
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 6: But that year kind of broke me.

870
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 9: I seeing Washington as bad as they were year in

871
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 9: and year out was very, very difficult.

872
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's rough.

873
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 5: Well listen, petrosh there it is.

874
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, yeah, the loop, I remember that. The face man.

875
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 4: Long lived Toby and Mike who you know, LeVar Arrington

876
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 4: is Toby by the way, you know what I mean.

877
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 4: I got my name from Toby. But he was Konta

878
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 4: Kinte first, but then they they forced him to be Toby.

879
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 4: You know, so I have a connection to Toby Gearhart

880
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 4: in a different type of way.

881
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 6: That's fair.

882
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, Petros movie Roots by Alex Hey, Yes, yeah, always

883
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 5: appreciated and we were everybody.

884
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 6: Was in the Roots, everybody. I mean, OJ, it wasn't just,

885
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 6: It wasn't just.

886
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 9: Burton went to us koona Kitty himself as a USC guy.

887
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 6: Is I didn't know that LeVar Burton?

888
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, he spoke to us at Uh. He spoke

889
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 9: to us a few times when I was at SC.

890
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 6: I didn't know. It wasn't very inspiring to hear from

891
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 6: the from the reading rainbow.

892
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 7: But that's crazy.

893
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 6: But Richard round Tree Shaft, who was born today, he

894
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 6: was in Roots.

895
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 7: Oh happy birthday. He's dead but yeah, yeah, yeah, happy birthday.

896
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 6: Just died two years ago.

897
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 5: Dang the nonsense. Yeah, we'll do it again next time.

898
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 6: Sorry.

899
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 5: I was like, no, you're going want.

900
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 6: To horn in on Lee's cool segment?

901
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, there is why rushing us up out of here,

902
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 4: you know what I mean?

903
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 5: Get him on X at the Old g