1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: I can't believe it. Years ago, you guys, we did 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: an episode called the Future of Drones. How long ago 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,239 Speaker 1: did we do this? One? Zero? I remember, Uh, it's 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: got to be maybe, I don't know. It was a 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: long long time ago. I think drones were hot back then. 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: The targeted killing was becoming a big, big thing in 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: the old military. But then you know here, just state side, 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: at least in this case. Oh, the public was starting 9 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: to see a lot more drones in the air, and 10 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: companies were getting excited about it too. And we had 11 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: the really like optimistic futurists saying this is gonna be 12 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: amazing for everyone, And then we had the dystopian futurists saying, 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: this is another step on the path to an AI 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: run hell escape, and you don't. It's weird because we 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: made this episode so long ago and so many things 16 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: have happened since that. If anything, this episode might be 17 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: called like the Scary Present of Drones. Yeah, let's be 18 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: interesting to see how much stuff we got right. Oh boy, 19 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: it's a dangerous game, folks, play along at home. Here 20 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: is the Future of Drones from UFOs two, Ghosts and 21 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: government cover ups. History is riddled with unexplained events. You 22 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't 23 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: want you to now. Hello, everyone, welcome back to the show. 24 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: My name is Matt and I'm Ben and today, Well 25 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. 26 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: That's that's a given you clicked on the thing. That's 27 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: what it is. Uh. Today we're talking about something that 28 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: is highly controversial, as most of our topics are in 29 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: the United States especially, but throughout the world. For this topic, 30 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: it's something that crosses the line between artificial intelligence, war, 31 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: robotic So many different things are culminated in this one 32 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: one topic. Yeah, that's a really good way to put it. 33 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: I hadn't considered a lot of that. You're absolutely right, Matt, 34 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: you are spot on, yes, and especially one of the 35 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: most important things is should we really separate the humanity 36 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: so much from the act of killing? Separate separate that 37 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: close up, Uh, scary part about ending another human beings 38 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: life and turning it, turning it into a simulation. Oh, 39 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 1: you know what, that's a really good question, and it's 40 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: something that I've had some long debates about. If you'd like, uh, 41 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: can we talk about that a little bit at the end, 42 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: because this is something I like to plant the seed 43 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: for our listeners, ladies and gentlemen. Today we're talking about drones, 44 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: not the not sci fi drones, not like cool alien drones. 45 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: Now we're talking about dut drones. So what what is 46 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: a drone? Well, it's any unmanned, remotely controlled machine. You 47 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: could call anything that does though meets that criteria a drone. 48 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: Most commonly, it's associated with the flying vehicles that we 49 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: see in warfare modern warfare nowadays, like Predator UA v 50 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: s and stuff. Oh yeah, but you can also have 51 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: them in the water. You can also have them in 52 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: space or even underground. Oh yeah, the was the Boeing 53 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: X thirty five or X thirty six, And I know 54 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: there's a yeah, there are several in the X thirty 55 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: something seven, that's the one we talked about. It was 56 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: up in space. No one knows what he was doing. 57 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: We're not allowed to know. No one is allowed to talk. 58 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: Drones have, surprisingly enough, been in use for a long 59 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: long time. But before we explore the history of that, 60 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: let's look So let's look at just a couple of 61 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: the legal issues. Now we're using what some people call 62 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: a very very biased source here, the American Civil Liberties Union. 63 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: So according to their report, UM, the drone game is 64 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: blowing up. So this a c l U report says 65 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: that law enforcement is this is a quote, law enforcement 66 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: is greatly expanding its use of domestic drones for surveillance. 67 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: This is interesting because in the United States, UM, although 68 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: privacy has clearly eroded as the decades have gone on, UH, 69 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: this expectation of privacy is always a hot button issue 70 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: from your local law enforcement and protest groups all the 71 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: way up to the supremes. And I don't mean Diana 72 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: ross is gang. What what they're saying is that what 73 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: the a c l U was saying is that this 74 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: sort of widespread surveillance fundamentally changes, uh, the nature of 75 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: public life in America. UM. The a c l U 76 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: is also worried that police my arm remote controlled aircraft. 77 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: Numerous states, as at the time we record this in 78 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen, numerous states are working toward legislation about drones. 79 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: And you can really tell how those states feel about 80 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: privacy based on the kind of rulings they're making. The 81 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: f a A is a big thing, UM, a big deal. 82 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: The Federal Aviation Administration, Who can fly, what where? That's 83 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: basically what the f A A is. For anyone who 84 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: is not familiar with that, and uh, they want to 85 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: change airspace rules or Congress wants the f A to 86 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: change airspace rules to make it easier for police to 87 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: use domestic drones. Uh, but not including privacy protection. So Matt, 88 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: as as we know, the a c l U has 89 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: named several privacy safeguards they'd like to see in the 90 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: new laws. Yeah, there are a lot of those, but 91 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: before we get into them, I just want to see 92 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: how terrifying it is to think about police officers having 93 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: drones with rubber bullets and tasers attached to them, just 94 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: flying over a scene where maybe a protest is occurring 95 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: and they're able to just remotely detach the weaponry essentially 96 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: from these things and shoot weaponry from a drone. That 97 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: to me is terrifying, and I'm certainly glad that someone 98 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: is looking into it. So there are certain usage limits. 99 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: So drone would only be used by law enforcement if 100 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: there was a warrant, let's say, or an emergency or 101 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: something very specific where you could prove you have grounds 102 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: on which to prove that you needed to use this drone. 103 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: So just no drone joy rides for the heck of it. Yeah, 104 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: you don't. Every police officer doesn't have a drone attached 105 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: to their vehicle that can be deployed at anytime to 106 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: track their ex girlfriends or something. Yeah, the same not 107 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: yet searches. Yeah, Okay. There's also data retention, which is, 108 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: you know, how much information is going to be kept 109 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: by these things that's collected, um, and only when there's 110 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: specific grounds again to collect and keep evidence should that 111 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: be done. And this is all again, guys, this is 112 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: all stuff that the a c LU thinks should be 113 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: in the laws, which, frighteningly enough means that it is 114 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: not in the laws right now. So you gotta keep 115 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: it as wide as you can if you're the creator 116 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: of these drones and you need them to be used 117 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: or the user of these drones. Uh. You're also looking 118 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: at policy usage policy, which would say that the public's 119 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: representatives should be deciding when these things are used or 120 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: how they're used, not by police departments themselves. Okay, so 121 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: elected officials should make transparent decisions. Yeah, although although that 122 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: to me is also a terrifying thought. The people subject 123 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: to I don't know, bribery are the ones now making 124 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: the decisions. No offense representatives, but you know that you 125 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: are subject to bribery, not that you necessarily take it potentially, Well, 126 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: they're subject to it whether or not they go through 127 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: with it attempts. There's also abuse prevention and accountability, So 128 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: this is use of domestic drones would be subject to 129 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: some kind of audit or at least an oversight programm 130 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: or committee. So yeah, they just can't go willy nearly 131 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: using their drones. And the last one is weapons, and 132 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,679 Speaker 1: they're saying both lethal and non lethal those should both 133 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: not be on the drones. Yeah, and that's an interesting 134 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: point too. I think those are great ideas, great proposals. Um, 135 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: it's an interesting point about non lethal weapons because as 136 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: most people who have some real world experience with non 137 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: lethal weapons, No, they're not always non lethal. Something can 138 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: always go wrong. Yes, the human heart can give away, 139 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: can give way for a lot of reasons, and electricity 140 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: is usually one of those things, or large amounts of 141 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: current like tasers. Right. Uh So, there was an interesting 142 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: legal case that we found reported by Vice, which said 143 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: that a federal judge has ruled that the f a 144 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: A has not made any legally binding rules against commercial drones. 145 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: And this happened when the f A sued a guy 146 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: named Raphael Perker, the first person the agency had tried 147 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: to find for flying a drone commercially. Now, some of 148 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: uh listeners out there may be familiar with a promotional 149 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: video that Amazon put out, right, do you remember this 150 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: one that? Yes, the one where Amazon just proposed to 151 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: be using or they decided, hey, it wouldn't be cool 152 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: if we use drones to send you all your stuff, 153 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: so you know, maybe our drones won't throw your packages 154 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 1: the way some of our employees you, oh, just kidding, sorry, Uh, 155 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: or they might be worse because they would rebel at 156 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: some point. Yeah, so okay, the the idea though, the 157 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: f a A has always said that flying a drone 158 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: for a commercial business is illegal, but the judge didn't agree. 159 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: A guy named patric Garrity Garrick Dy judge with the 160 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: National Transportation Safety Board, said there are no laws against it. 161 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: You know, go wild, you guys. So the f a 162 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: A attempted to define raphaelp ten thousand dollars after he 163 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: used a drone to film a commercial at the University 164 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: of Virginia, and he fought the case and he said 165 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: the f A never regulated model aircraft, and uh that 166 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: it's basis for making them illegal was a two thousand 167 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: seven policy notice and it wasn't legally binding. So apparently 168 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: his argument goes, the f a A is not yet 169 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: taken the required public notice necessary to make it an 170 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: official regulation. So at this point, what that means, man, 171 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: is it's the wild West for commercial drones. We could 172 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: do like that Oprah thing with a car. You get 173 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: a drone, You get a drone, You get a drone, Matt, 174 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: I think we should buy a drone it, you know, 175 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: want to We could get some cool aerial shots if 176 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: you want to do some more roof shooting. Yeah, like 177 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: a little drone. Yeah, okay, al right, well I'll do that. 178 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: I'll do a mini drone, a mini drone opticopter because 179 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: somehow that will be less bad because it's smaller. Well, 180 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: and then you just get swarms of mini drones that 181 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: all interact with each other. It's so weird when we 182 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: think about this, unarmed, unmanned vehicles. So we've we've given 183 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: the most up to date information about the present of drones. 184 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: One thing that might surprise a lot of people is 185 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: that the concept of drones. It's not recent. It's actually 186 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: very old, this whole unmanned attacking observation thing. Right. Oh yeah, 187 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: way back in eight Austria attacked Venice with balloons. There 188 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 1: are balloons loaded with explosives. They're not necessarily drones, but 189 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: they're unmanned vehicles in the air or unmanned air contraptions, right. Yeah, 190 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: and like just a few decades later, uh, the U. S. 191 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: Civil War had sorry, not the whole Civil War. During 192 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: the U. S Civil War, forces in in the States 193 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: were working on balloons in eighteen sixty two. They were 194 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: trying to use them for reconnaissance and bombing operations. And 195 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: that's a that's a very interesting story, Matt. Honestly, I'm 196 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: surprised there has not been a film made about the 197 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: Civil Wars balloon brigades. That's war films about everything else. 198 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: But I don't know they I guess you could make 199 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: it a catchy topic or catchy title for that. I'm 200 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: not sure what it would be. A band of balloons, 201 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I thought of that earlier. Okay, but those 202 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: are just you know, those are just balloons. And granted 203 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: you can't really pilot a balloon. Very well, but there, uh, 204 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: there were aircraft that were older too, right, Yeah, there 205 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: were some of the first radio controlled planes were brought 206 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: about right after World War One, and that was a M. 207 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: Lows radio control techniques that were used for those, and 208 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: it's really cool. Actually it was supposed to be used 209 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: to fight against some of the Zeppelins um of World 210 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: War One. Right after that, they're like, oh, man, let's 211 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: find a way to take down these Zeppelins. Let's make 212 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: some radio control aircraft they can fly into them and 213 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: explode those suckers. And they never Actually, probably a lot 214 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: of that is because of the Hindenburg explosion and the 215 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: way technology turned away from Zeppelin's. Yeah, okay, that makes 216 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: sense and figured out how easy it is to make 217 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: one explode. Yeah, it's a shame, because wouldn't it be 218 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: fantastic to live in a world that had Zeppelins. Why 219 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: why some I have to screw that up for everyone else? 220 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: They're pretty energy efficient, man. Yeah, you gotta play BioShock Infinite, Man, 221 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: I should I should play BioShock Infinite or just rewatch 222 00:13:55,640 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: Fringe the uh so later you know that ultimately these 223 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: flying bomb concepts or these aerial torpedoes became the ancestors 224 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: of cruise missiles, right, and they learned to remotely or 225 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: they learned to control these using as she said, radio signals. Uh. 226 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: The famous automatic airplane was first foamed for representatives of 227 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: the U. S. Army in nineteen seventeen. Uh. But if 228 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: we fast forward, we find some of the first uses 229 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: of remote surveillance by the US. All day was attached 230 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: a camera to a kite. Yeah. I guess it's a 231 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: little dramatic. Well, yeah, but that's honestly, that's how you 232 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: I guess begin m. Well, we've got this kite. Hey, 233 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: we've got a lightweight camera. Let's do it. And then 234 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: in uh In and in Vietnam between sixty five and 235 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: seventy three, uh, the US r ME had been able 236 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: to test some of these some of these surveillance concepts, right, 237 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: because you know, it's really there was a really dodgy 238 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: position here where there were areas of Southeast Asia where 239 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: the US was not officially involved. However, as it came 240 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: to light earlier in some other episodes we've done, this 241 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: official involvement was not necessarily involvement in practice, right, So 242 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: we know that these monitoring aspects, right, this this application 243 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: of what they called an electronic battlefield to map the 244 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: entire theater with sensors. Uh, probably changed the way that 245 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: we think about designating or guiding bombers today. So a 246 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: really interesting thing happened here is that after they while 247 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: they were these experiments, the Air Force started populating the region, right, 248 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: but not with regular planes. Yeah, they were populating the 249 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: skies with these remotely piloted vehicles or RPVs. And it's 250 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: kind of neat they've had this evolution. Okay, So there 251 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: there are these three overlapping phases that drones have gone through. 252 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: The first drone is the drone as a target, which 253 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: is kind of interesting. That's from nineteen ten, the nineteen tens, 254 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: let's say, until the nineteen fifties. Then you've got the 255 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: drone as a sensor, something that can be in the 256 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: air that can detect something and send it send that 257 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: signal back to somebody else. That's around the nineteen sixties 258 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: to the nineteen nineties. Then you've got the drone as 259 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,479 Speaker 1: the weapon, and that's the most recent from the two thousands, 260 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: the new modern warfare drones up until today. And so 261 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: it's gone over this large evolution and Now my question 262 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: has been, Yeah, what's the next evolution, Ah, what's the 263 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: future of drones? Like a self a completely self running drone, 264 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 1: A drone that can on its own just monitor the skies. 265 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 1: It can be the sensor and the weapon and the controller. 266 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: A solar powered drone maybe uh high altitude that's able 267 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: to somehow derive enough energy from solar panels to uh 268 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: continually adjust it's its flight or its orbit depending on 269 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: where it is relative to the bug limit, and then 270 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: also be able to continue with its seem speed maybe 271 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,239 Speaker 1: adjust its flight. Right now, so far as we know, 272 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: there are no solar panels that are efficient enough to 273 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: give that sort of flight in a reasonable way. The 274 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: kind of solar panels we have to build now are 275 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: would take up so much surface area that it's tough 276 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: to imagine the thing actually working in any realistic capacity. 277 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: It would be one of those like Rich Countries toys 278 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: that we built just this show that we could do it. 279 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 1: Unless unless you could use some other form of energy 280 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: to get it. Maybe let's say it's in space orbiting, Yeah, 281 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: get use enough energy with secondary propulsion system getting to 282 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: get it up there. Then just use a solar to 283 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: run all of its systems. Yeah or yeah, and maybe 284 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: just powers enough power so they can prevent orbit decay. 285 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: Not a bad idea. X thirty seven. You guys, that 286 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: stuff is crazy. Please check it out if you haven't 287 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: seen it before. I I routinely search news for that 288 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: and uh and trade journals just to see if we 289 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: ever figure out what it was doing. Whether there are 290 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: some great guesses but nothing confirmed. Now, Matt, the idea 291 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: of drones, especially with the threat of impinging on privacy, 292 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: has always been kind of a passionate issue for you. 293 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: So I want to task you some questions too before 294 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: we move into I want to end it on a 295 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: little bit of maybe good news. Um. But before we 296 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: do that, let's get through the really messy stuff. UM. 297 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: We talked earlier about drones and war, and you asked 298 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: about the are you mentioned rather the distancing effect of 299 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 1: of taking people's lives. I do know that there's been 300 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: some research on PTSD in drone operators, drone pilots, and 301 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: they do suffer PTSD. UM. They are aware that these 302 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: are human lives, that it's not just a video game. However, UM. 303 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: One of the things that I think a lot of 304 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: us as civilians uh don't know about with the with 305 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: piloting a drone, is that the lag time is crazy. 306 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: It's if it's a video game, it's a horrible video game. Also, 307 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: you know you're potentially killing innocent people, right, So I 308 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: I agree with you that the distancing is very dangerous 309 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: because although people do experience PTSD, the I don't know 310 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: if experiencing it that remotely is um is as uh 311 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: as much of a what's a good word, deterrent maybe 312 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: to killing in the future. I don't know, man, I 313 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: have no answers, but it just seems like an issue 314 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: that we should at least talk about. So what what 315 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: draws you to? What what makes this idea is so 316 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: um so close to you? You're very passionate about this. Well, 317 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: I've been playing video games on the whole life, and 318 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: in most of those video games you are killing something 319 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: or eliminating something. In many of the ones that I've 320 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: played for let's say my college years and video gaming, 321 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: we're killing human beings. And there is there's an extreme 322 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: detachment because you know, obviously it's not real. You know 323 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: that it's not real. Then I can just imagine children 324 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: who have grown up with the technology with that playing 325 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: Call of Duty when you were seven or eight years old, 326 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: even though you're not supposed to having that simulation, and 327 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: then transferring it to now you're eighteen nineteen, fresh out 328 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: of high school, going into the military, and now you're 329 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: playing a flight simulator game where you're killing people. Um, 330 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: I just wonder how that's going to affect this, like 331 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: the psyche of the effect psychologically these younger people. Do 332 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: you think that people growing up around video games have 333 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: a lack of empathy or less? Yeah, I can't speak 334 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: to that. I have no idea. I I believe that 335 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: I have lots of empathy, and I don't do much 336 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: else besides play video games. So I don't know. All right, 337 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna blow up your spot that you are. 338 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,239 Speaker 1: You are, uh, full of fascinating hobbies, and I don't know, 339 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,239 Speaker 1: I think you're beating yourself up. Well, most of them 340 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: include an Xbox controller. But no, I hear it, I 341 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: hear you. What what about drones and privacy? Oh that's 342 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: that's a whole another can of worms there. Yeah, drones 343 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: and privacy, man, come on that. Uh, there's an expectation 344 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: privacy that is always debated, right and then and past 345 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: court rulings, at least in the United States, have said 346 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: that you cannot have an expectation of privacy in certain areas, 347 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: like you're on the street. You're walking on a public street. 348 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: You know, I'm sorry. No matter how much of a 349 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: diva or celebrity you may be, you cannot tell people 350 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: not to take your picture or look at you, because, um, 351 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: until somebody totally iron Rand's the entire country, anyone can 352 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: walk on the sidewalk. Yeah, if I mean, if you 353 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: have to be completely anonymous that they make those tinted 354 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: windows for you and enjoy it while you're in the car, 355 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: then sorry, right, And then there's Uh. It's interesting because 356 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: when we talk about the idea of privacy, what I 357 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: think is regardless of um, someone's political leanings, right or 358 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: personal ideologies. The you know, I made, I made a 359 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: bad iron Rand joke just a second ago. But if 360 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: we look at it on the other side, then the 361 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: idea of a collectivist socialist society, right, which would be 362 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: the opposite of objectivism, uh, would still have these huge 363 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: threats to privacy. You know, we have read a lot 364 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: of you guys listening out there. I've read it too, 365 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 1: And one of the big things is that Winston has 366 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: uh no privacy. He has um I guess uh spoiler alert, 367 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: but a minor spoiler. He thinks he has privacy, but 368 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: he doesn't really right. And and this this idea for 369 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: anyone who is for anyone who is want to or 370 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: inclined to say, oh, your political beliefs differ from mine, 371 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: or on this issue, we disagree. I don't think that 372 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: we should let people be as easily divided because there's 373 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: one thing that I have noticed about the the fight 374 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 1: for personal privacy, at least in the United States, and 375 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: that's the it's getting people from all bents of polit politics, religion, uh, 376 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 1: any other ideology. I don't know, pepsi drinkers, coat drinkers 377 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: coming together. Privacy it's one of those things that it's 378 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: going it will be. We're going to fight for it 379 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: as long as we can until it's just completely gone, 380 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: and at some point it's just going to be gone. Yeah. 381 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: I also believe the erosion privacy is inevitable. When that's 382 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about this before. It's it's if 383 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: you think about it, the the existence of privacy has 384 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: been sort of short lived for a long time to 385 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: But now that we've talked about some of the darker 386 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: issues there, we'd also like to hear from you guys 387 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: um what you think the future of drones is. But 388 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: before we go out, we wanted to end it on 389 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: a little bit of an up note and talk about 390 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: some non military uses of drones, because it's not all 391 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: you know, accidentally killing civilians. It's not all targeting people 392 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:29,479 Speaker 1: with no due process or UH police surveillance state stuff. 393 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: There's also the possibility that UH agriculture could benefit from drones. 394 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: For instance, the you know, the idea that it could 395 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: help farmers do better land management, increase overall yields, um 396 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: most large farms in the United States and rural areas. 397 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: So as long as the drones are less than foreigner 398 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: feet high, they're legal for the f a A. So yeah, 399 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: police officers will be using those. So put your para 400 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: noia hats on and enjoy the idea of police officers 401 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 1: flying drones over your house at all times of night. Yes, 402 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: they're probably there right now, can you hear them? Right? 403 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: And if you saw our earlier episodes on militarization of police, 404 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: then you know that maybe that's not the best example 405 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: of non military use. I'm sorry, Matt, Well, it's okay. 406 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: Here's here's the counterpoint. There are surveillance cameras all over 407 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: the place where you live. I don't care where you live, 408 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: there are probably surveillance cameras, even if they're just in 409 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: the small stores. Yeah, even if it's just those, they are. 410 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: They're all over the place. But here in Atlanta, they're 411 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: on the streets, they're on traffic, and yeah, they're everywhere. 412 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: They're in our building. There are a couple that can 413 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: probably see us right now from outside the studio. It's 414 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: it's one of those things again that we're going to 415 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: have to live with for the rest of our lives. 416 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: And now there are these things that will just be 417 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: flying over us. And you know, they might be the 418 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: security from your mall, some drones hanging around the mall. 419 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: That might be police officers looking for drugs. Who knows. 420 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you brought up drugs, my friend, because 421 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: another thing that drones can do is be operated by villains, criminals, 422 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: by na'er do wells and rapscallions according to call of duty? 423 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: Was it black too? I think? And they the entire idea. 424 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: Sorry for all the video game talking, and it just 425 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 1: reminds you video games so much, the idea that hackers 426 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: would take over the military drones and start a war. Okay, 427 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: I can see that. So because drones are hard for 428 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: people to spot, especially given the size. So what if 429 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: you start go taking your drone over the border to 430 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: drop off drugs or something like that? They there To 431 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: my knowledge at this point, there's not an unmanned vehicle 432 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: that's somebody could buy and then used to fly over 433 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: people as in human trafficking with humans as cargo, but 434 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: a couple of keys would know it wouldn't It would 435 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: be unsteered p i P piloted in person. I don't 436 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: know what the accurate you know they make these the 437 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: massive I think they're one fourth scale airplanes, the remote 438 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: control airplanes. I wonder if that's being used right now 439 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: as drug trafficking, because that's essentially a drone slightly different, 440 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:37,959 Speaker 1: but it's it's happened before. That's that I think probably 441 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: in some border areas, it's probably really good work around, 442 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: But there's there's got to be a sweet spot because 443 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: the US Mexico border is monitored pretty closely, so I 444 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: think they have an eye on the airspace. I don't 445 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: know how you would get around that. But in other 446 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,959 Speaker 1: borders that are a bit more porous, like the um 447 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: like the opium trade in Central Asia, right, Uh, those 448 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: borders are so porous that it might not be necessary 449 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: to fly a drone. You might just need to know 450 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: the right guy and just wanting. Isn't that how it 451 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: always is? And Uh the idea of how hard certain 452 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: agencies or countries are working to actually stop the drug 453 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: trade is another episode that we could do. Um. But yeah, 454 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: so so this could be this could be something for criminals. Um. 455 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: One one potential thing here for national security walks may 456 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: recognize that in two thousand and eleven, a terrorist named 457 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: Rezuan Fords uh excuse me, fr d a U s 458 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: uh plotted to bomb US targets by putting explosives on 459 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: a drone UM emphasis there on planned. Uh. And then 460 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: there's another example right in Brazil. Yeah, in a Brazilian 461 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: prison in two thousand twelve, caught a your own helicopter 462 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: that had cell phones just it was full of cell 463 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: phones that were meant for inmates in the prison, and 464 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: they stopped it by I think one of the one 465 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: of the police grabbed onto the helicopter legs and I 466 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: pulled it down to the ground triumphantly. Um. And then 467 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: the rest of the the officers they're just jumped on 468 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: and beat it up pretty hard. I'm pretty sure that's 469 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: what happened. Alright, Well, take my word for it. I 470 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: haven't seen the made for TV movie yet, but I'll 471 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: take your word for it for now. Uh. There's also 472 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: the idea of weather investigation, and this is pretty cool, uh, 473 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: that you could you know, there's there's always a huge 474 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: difficulty for people who want to investigate natural disasters and 475 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: catastrophic weather phenomenon meteorological phenomenon, and that is of course 476 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: that you could die driving into a tornado, that you 477 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: could die standing at the edge of the ocean with 478 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: some sensors waiting for the tsunami. Yeah, even the tank 479 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: I forget the name of a show, but the guy 480 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: who has the tank that drops to the ground, it's 481 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:08,719 Speaker 1: still extremely dangerous. So these drones offer a way potentially 482 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,959 Speaker 1: to investigate tropical storms, and NASA began experimenting with this 483 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: in two thousand thirteen. Officially, Uh, this is a little 484 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: bit different from attempts to see if cloud seating could 485 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: alter hurricanes, which was, as far as we know, unsuccessful. 486 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: But they used uh these big, big drones called Global 487 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: Hawk drones. Uh. Naval wingspan is wide as a seven 488 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: thirty seven. Uh, they're huge. They're extremely cool too. I 489 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: highly recommend you do a YouTube search for those Global 490 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: Hawk So they fly them through hurricanes with a bunch 491 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: of sensors on and I hope they make it. Yeah. Uh, 492 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: that's not the only thing they track though, right, Yes, 493 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: you can also track wildlife. Uh. There are uvs that 494 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: are set up with cameras and GPS and they're well 495 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: to track wildlife. So let's say you've got maybe a 496 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: group of giraffe or elephants or something you want to 497 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: track and see how if there are any poachers that 498 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: are endangering them or something, or maybe you just want 499 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: to look at their eating habits. Just get these drones 500 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: follow these things and man, you're set up. It's pretty 501 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,959 Speaker 1: great because you don't have to be on the ground 502 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: looking for them at all times, and they can wear 503 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: tracking colors to make it easier, but they don't have 504 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: to with this technology, which is pretty cool. I think 505 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: that's just a fantastic point because the well, one of 506 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: the things that often haunts me about the age in 507 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: which we live is that it is possible that one day, 508 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: you know, Matt, you could have grandchildren and they won't 509 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: believe you when you tell them that animals used to 510 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: just run a while, run around in the wild. Yeah, 511 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: you know, that's to me, that's frightening. Uh. The so 512 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: the anything that could save that, it would would be 513 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: amazing easy. I mean not to not to be preachy again, 514 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: it's just, uh, it's fascinating when you read the theories 515 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: from various various researchers, paleontologists and so on who say 516 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: that we are in the middle of a mass extinction, 517 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: it's interesting to wonder which animals are gonna make it 518 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: out and humans are could be on the topic block too, Yeah, 519 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: masters of disasters, other huge storms they could look at 520 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: right of course, we're talking um, we we're talking sand storms, 521 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,719 Speaker 1: We're talking tsunamis, we're talking uh, tornadoes. Oh, I just 522 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: learned this yesterday. This is a weird win Man. There's 523 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: a word that it's it's a weird word. H a 524 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: b oo b huboob. I think it's pronounced Arabic word 525 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: that describes these gigantic sandstorms that can happen in desert areas. 526 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: I was watching this video this guy driving into one, 527 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: and it starts he's driving in as daytime. As he's driving, 528 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: you see people driving away from this massive storm, the 529 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: headlights out, and then when he gets in there pitch 530 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: black because there's just so much crazy stuff happening. Wow, 531 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: good to have a drone there. Um other things we 532 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: mentioned forest rangers tracking fires. Wildfires huge problem in California, right, yeah, well, 533 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: huge problem all over the place, and it's a huge 534 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: It would be a great advantage to have a drone. 535 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: They wouldn't have to worry about a lot of smoking 536 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,879 Speaker 1: inhalation or any of the other things. Yeah, it's huge. 537 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: Oh and another point, you know their convicts who are 538 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: on the fire, the wildfire teams out west. Really yeah? Interesting? Yep, 539 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 1: is that that seems rather mad? MAXI into me. They're volunteers. 540 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: I don't know what the circumstances of volunteer service are. 541 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: Maybe they get time off, but how much of that 542 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,280 Speaker 1: is you know? Uh, that's cool, that's an interesting idea. 543 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 1: We'll have to dig in. Another thing we said, Uh, 544 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: this is another future thing that we mentioned earlier. Was 545 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,720 Speaker 1: that this makes some fantastic filming way more affordable. Oh yeah, Chandler, 546 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: one of the guys that works here at how Stuff Works, 547 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: made a music video that featured a drone and it 548 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: was a cool experience, excellent footage. It looks like you 549 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: spent several million dollars, but it was just the day 550 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: with a guy who can run a drone and maybe 551 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: four you're done. Wow, all right, let's get four hundred dollars. Well, yeah, 552 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: we can get one here. They're not that expensive. I 553 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: bet nol. Can you can pilot a drone, can't you? 554 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can totally pilot drones. That's right. Our 555 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,399 Speaker 1: super producer, Noel is always no we uh we try 556 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 1: to give you a shout out every show, and we 557 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: didn't mention it in the beginning. All right, okay, all right, 558 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: well thank you know you're too you're far too kind. 559 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: Another thing is the oil and gas monitoring, so off 560 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: shore where oil rigs are incredibly risky and cartoonishly expensive endeavors. First, 561 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,359 Speaker 1: you have to explore to find the oil, and increasingly 562 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 1: you have to do some wild science, some mad science, 563 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: to get the oil out of the ground in a 564 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,399 Speaker 1: way that is safe and usable deep drilling. When one 565 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: of these goes up, or when something goes wrong with 566 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 1: these anywhere in the pipeline, it's very bad business, very 567 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: very bad business. And so having a drone to monitor that, 568 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: which you know, I'm surprised that hasn't happened yet because 569 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: so many not just on oil platforms, but so many 570 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: pipelines run through politically dangerous areas, right, it's huge advantage. 571 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: You've probably seen some videos or at least clips of drones, 572 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: underwater drones that are used by the oil industry to 573 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: check out their rigging, check out the pipelines, and sometimes 574 00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 1: even catching glimpses of scary looking creatures. Have you ever 575 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: seen those which ones? It's just it's they're unmanned submarines 576 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 1: that are used to patrol the areas. And there are 577 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: a couple awesome clips that you know, I go on 578 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: lively all the time right right, as you should too 579 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: if you're eighteen or older. They're not paying us to 580 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: say that, but yeah, there are some really interesting clips 581 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: there of just underwater sea creatures that are usually later identified, 582 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 1: but sometimes they're terrifyingly ambiguous. Nice. Uh, yeah, and that's 583 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: that goes to One of our last points, which was 584 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: one of our first points, was that drones are not 585 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 1: just restricted to the air around us in the immediate environment. 586 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: They can go into space. Uh, they can be remotely 587 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: operated underwater. There'll be digger drones. There was this movie, 588 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: and I'd love for one of our listeners to to 589 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 1: help me figure out which one this was where. I 590 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: think it was called Screamers, but I'm not sure it 591 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: was about It was a sci fi for little robots 592 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: that in the ground. Yeah, do you remember that one? Uh? 593 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: The that film kind of made me think of underground drones. 594 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if it'll bear rewatch. Somebody warned me, 595 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: because it's kind of sad when you see a movie 596 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,359 Speaker 1: that hasn't aged well, you know what I mean. I 597 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: don't remember if I liked it because of the coolness 598 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: of the technology or because actually like the story. But 599 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: I remember liking it, so I might have to at 600 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 1: least watch the first thirty minutes. Yeah, or sometimes you 601 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: can just watch the trailer on YouTube and that I'll 602 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 1: tell you if you're in all right, do it? Uh. So, 603 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: while we head off to do that, Thank you guys 604 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: so much for checking out our episodes. On drones. We 605 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: have some new videos coming up as well. We don't 606 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: want to ruin this surprise too much, but we've been 607 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: doing a lot of government stuff lately, and our show 608 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: covers everything that someone may or may not want you 609 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 1: to know. So we're gonna be throwing some curve halls 610 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 1: in the next few weeks. Uh be ready, I don't 611 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: know it. Should we drop a hint? We can drop 612 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: a hint real the power of the coming race. 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