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Speaker 1: We've kind of had to put it off a little bit.

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Speaker 1: We could have We could have done it last year,

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Speaker 1: We could have done it two years ago. Because as

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Speaker 3: Years ago you had you had a trip planned to Israel.

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Speaker 3: Then this happened, and the plan still happened, but it

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Speaker 1: That's right when and we went. We ended up going

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Speaker 1: Then every tree has a tag with the person's name.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's also providing a place for Palestinians, not

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Speaker 4: That's what we're gonna do. We're gonna go forward taking

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Speaker 3: Right, this was the compromise, and it's getting down to

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Speaker 1: I get that message on my phone. I'll say happy birthday,

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Speaker 1: and Palestinians. First of all, on a side note, the

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Speaker 1: Arab countries of the world don't want the Palestinians. So

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Speaker 1: in Iran and Iraq and Pakistan and all these countries

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Speaker 1: start start complaining about what's happening in Gaza. We could say,

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Speaker 1: you want them, you want the Palestinians, Noe Jordan doesn't

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Speaker 1: want them, Syria doesn't want them, Pakistan doesn't want them,

442
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Speaker 1: Iran doesn't want them. They want to fight for them,

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Speaker 1: but they don't want them.

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Speaker 3: They want to fight for them to have their own place,

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Speaker 3: not to be and because.

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Speaker 1: They hate Israel, right, you know, that's they want to

447
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Speaker 1: fight for them to because they hate Israel and and

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Speaker 1: by default they hate the United States. They don't want them.

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Speaker 1: They don't really, they don't love those people. The Palestinians

450
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Speaker 1: are looked down upon by every other Arab country. Saudis

451
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Speaker 1: looked down on them, you know, So We have spent

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Speaker 1: a lot of time in the West Bank, a lot

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Speaker 1: of homes, a lot of people, a lot of families,

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Speaker 1: and have been harbor. Can buy what has happened if

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Speaker 1: you're in the West Bank. After October seventh, twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: three three, Yeah, they closed the gates, they closed the

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Speaker 1: doors to Israel. Israel has for a long long time

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Speaker 1: provided utilities and water and more important than any electricity,

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Speaker 1: but more important than anything, they've provided jobs. People from

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Speaker 1: the West Bank go into Jerusalem and they work. They

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Speaker 1: go into Tel Aviv and they they have jobs, and

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Speaker 1: they work in tourism, they work in all kinds of

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Speaker 1: job sectors. Well, after October seven, twenty twenty three, they

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Speaker 1: shut the gates and said no one leaves here. So

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Speaker 1: if you had a job in Israel, you lost it.

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Speaker 1: But there's no jobs in the West Bank either. And

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Speaker 1: there's very very little food. We saw. We saw a

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Speaker 1: lot of homes that the only food they ate was

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Speaker 1: cucumbers or anything else they can grow in their yard

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Speaker 1: with the little water that they had, saving the seeds

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Speaker 1: and eating cucumbers or we asked one family they had

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Speaker 1: they had a two children. One of them, the little

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Speaker 1: boy was Maverick's age, and I asked the father. They

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Speaker 1: are a very proud people. But I asked the father,

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Speaker 1: when's the last time you had meat? And because there

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Speaker 1: are proud people, he didn't he didn't immediately answer. He

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Speaker 1: just stared right through me, you know, eyes glazed. And

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Speaker 1: I said six six months, sugar Head, seven months, eight months,

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Speaker 1: sugar said ten months, shrugged to show there's like maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe we had meat in our mouths ten months ago.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: Now this was in September twenty four. Yeah, I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's situations changed.

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Speaker 4: It's a year, almost a year after.

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Speaker 1: What do you want? You know, Alice asking the Palestinians,

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Speaker 1: what do you want peace? I just want to take

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Speaker 1: care of my family. I just want to provide for

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Speaker 1: my family and whatever whatever that might take. So a

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Speaker 1: few weeks ago I was in North Carolina speaking at

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Speaker 1: a conference and they had invited an IDF soldier. He

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Speaker 1: reaches out to me on Instagram. His name is NOI.

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Speaker 1: You know why, great guy, Great guy. He DMed me

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Speaker 1: and he said, Grangeer, my name is NOI. I'm an

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Speaker 1: IDF soldier in Israel. I would love to meet you.

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Speaker 1: When we're at the conference, I said, great, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've spent a lot of time with the idea.

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Speaker 1: So we go to this conference. It's a lot of politicians,

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Speaker 1: a lot of like turning point people, and I'm just

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Speaker 1: there to preach the Gospel's that's why I came. Preach

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Speaker 1: the gospel, and and then whatever the gospel does, it

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Speaker 1: goes out and it the gospel will when the heart

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Speaker 1: has changed and the gospel takes root, meaning when you've

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Speaker 1: trusted in Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, believing

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Speaker 1: that He died on the cross, was resurrected on the

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Speaker 1: third day and commands everyone to turn from their sin

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Speaker 1: and look to him, and you will be forgiven. When

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Speaker 1: that starts to take root in your heart, then you

508
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Speaker 1: could start aligning yourself to different political opinions, like well,

509
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Speaker 1: if that's the case, then I got to be against abortion.

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Speaker 1: If that's the case, then I need to be for

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Speaker 1: this and that and this that. So instead of taking

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Speaker 1: instead of saying that the gospel comes alongside a political view,

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Speaker 1: the gospel takes root and then political views are offshoots

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Speaker 1: of the already established changed heart. You know, that's that's

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Speaker 1: a big difference. Yeah, but that's what this conference. I

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Speaker 1: think the conference was more so just a lot like Jesus.

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Speaker 1: Jesus believes these things too. You know, Jesus is a

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Speaker 1: great advocate for the Republican Party. Like hold on second, Now,

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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about right here could be its own podcast,

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Speaker 1: so I'll say.

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Speaker 4: And it is part of one we're working on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jesus is the king. He doesn't he's not an advocate,

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Speaker 1: he's not a partner with a political party.

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Speaker 4: He's what everything else falls up here.

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Speaker 1: Everything falls under him and his rule and his sovereignty.

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Speaker 1: We submit to him, which I say, I say many times,

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Speaker 1: I said it at this conference. Jesus is not someone

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Speaker 1: that you accept in your heart. He is someone you

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Speaker 1: submit to as a king. You know, there's a big

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Speaker 1: difference difference accepting and submitting. So I meet NOI idea soldier,

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Speaker 1: Like I said, great guy, I said, why are you here?

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Speaker 1: Like they literally flew you from Tel Aviv to here today? Today?

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Speaker 4: We know how long that is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a long flight. Yeah, And he said I'm

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Speaker 1: here's here to tell the truth. And I was like, great,

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Speaker 1: I love the truth. What's the truth? And he said,

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Speaker 1: the truth that that the Palestinians are evil. Basically, he

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Speaker 1: didn't say these exact words, but what's happening in Gaza

539
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Speaker 1: is justified by the Israeli government, and the Palestinians are

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Speaker 1: doing everything they can to kill us. And I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: tell me an example, and he said, well, I've been

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Speaker 1: in many houses in the West Bank and I've seen

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Speaker 1: the pamphlets that they all have on how to kill Jews.

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Speaker 1: I said, tell me more. He says, they have books

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Speaker 1: that say, here's here's how the most efficient way to

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Speaker 1: kill one Jew, here's how you killed two at the

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Speaker 1: same time. Even better, here's how you kill three. And

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Speaker 1: that's that's what all the houses have in them in

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Speaker 1: the West Bank. And I said, I looked him right

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Speaker 1: in the eye and said, well, not all the houses.

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Speaker 1: Then he goes, yeah, all the houses in the West Bank.

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Speaker 1: I said, but not all of them, and he goes, no,

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Speaker 1: all of them Greater. I said, I've been in many

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Speaker 1: this is the first time i've heard this. I said,

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Speaker 1: I'm not denying that there's hate. Sure, I'm not denying

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Speaker 1: the animosity. Where you not denying that you've actually seen

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Speaker 1: it yourself with your own eyes. Maybe many many many,

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Speaker 1: But what I am saying is I haven't seen it,

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Speaker 1: and I've been in many myself. So there's something, there's

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Speaker 1: a disconnect somewhere here. And I realized, and this is

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Speaker 1: not to take it anyway anything away from Noise. Very

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Speaker 1: convicted about these things, and he has seen horrors that

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine.

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Speaker 4: But it would definitely shape his view of things of

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Speaker 4: the world.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, But what I quickly realized was that what's

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Speaker 1: happening truly is that it all boils down to people

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Speaker 1: want to be re elected in the US, and so

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Speaker 1: they want to bring people they could help them kind

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Speaker 1: of tote a certain line and help help kind of

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Speaker 1: reinforce some like yeah, we should go get God, we

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Speaker 1: should just demolish Gaza, which you know could happen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And so it was interesting to me. It was very

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Speaker 1: interesting because I just thought, Wow, and this entire conference,

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Speaker 1: probably the only other person besides NOI that's seen Gaza.

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Speaker 1: Everyone else is like just pumping out money while watching

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Speaker 1: video here in stories. I'm the only one that's actually

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Speaker 1: been there, and I didn't see this happening. And once again,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not, I am I'm a Christian here,

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm neither Jew nor Arab. I'm a I'm

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Speaker 1: a Christian by identity, by nature, by a new nature,

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Speaker 1: a new heart, and I'm want to get into that

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Speaker 1: here with a Bible. But I have seen evil, evil

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Speaker 1: on both sides, and my goal both times in Israel

585
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Speaker 1: was to seek out the lost and the ones that

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Speaker 1: are searching for the Lord, and to tell them of

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Speaker 1: the good News of the Gospel.

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Speaker 4: Regardless of Jew, Palestinian, regardless Entile.

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Speaker 1: I don't have I shouldn't have partiality. If I have partiality,

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Speaker 1: that would be a sin in me. It'd be a

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Speaker 1: sin if I was picking and choosing a human tribe

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Speaker 1: or group or tongue that I that I would choose

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Speaker 1: to hear the good news that's supposed to go to

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Speaker 1: all nations, that would be a horrible sin. I would

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Speaker 1: want to answer to the Lord that why did you

596
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Speaker 1: pick this? Was this an easier route for you, Granger? No,

597
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Speaker 1: but I did see evil on both sides, and I

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Speaker 1: did see a complete misrepresentation of Israel when we came

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Speaker 1: back here. I remember coming back here and one of

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Speaker 1: the men that I met there in Israel said on

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Speaker 1: signal messenger he said, Hey, you're going to hear some

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Speaker 1: news of a convoy that was going into Gaza, And

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you I was on this convoy and we

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Speaker 1: went in two trucks with food supplies and medicine into

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Speaker 1: Gaza and we got overwhelmed by Hamas with guns, and

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Speaker 1: as we were stopped engaging Hamas, civilians from all over

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Speaker 1: Gaza rushed the trucks to get food. Hamas opened fire

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Speaker 1: and we had to get out fast, and some people

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Speaker 1: were injured as we were back our trucks out trying

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Speaker 1: to get out of the crowd as they were opening

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Speaker 1: up rocket fire on us. What did I hear in

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Speaker 1: the news? Literally the next day Israel has a mass killing,

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Speaker 1: opens fire, opens fire against civilians in Gaza that we're

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Speaker 1: just trying to get food.

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Speaker 4: Ran over those. But yeah, exactly, oh man, oh man.

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Speaker 1: Okay, should we to.

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Speaker 3: Wow as Christians, as Americans? What should we think?

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Speaker 1: I really think about this? Yeah, it's a very complicated.

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Speaker 1: Well let me tell you, let me tell you what

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Speaker 1: I I'm sitting here with the Bible right now. What

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Speaker 1: are you having?

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Speaker 3: We're like, what if we what if we just chatted

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Speaker 3: for like twenty minutes and good then we were forty

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Speaker 3: minutes in and I love it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and I think, hey, man and I were like,

626
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Speaker 1: we should have a shorter podcast.

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Speaker 3: What if we just you know, jumped into this and no,

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Speaker 3: I think this is what you're about to read too,

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Speaker 3: is all Listen?

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Speaker 4: We say this every time. Is that we don't ever

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Speaker 4: just leave.

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Speaker 3: We could have hit stop and it would have been

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00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 3: a great podcast, right there been? Okay, wow, well great stories. Man,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to think about this. Well, how

635
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Speaker 3: about this? The word talks about Israel and talks about

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously it does, but it helps shape of

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Speaker 3: how what our view should be of what Israel is

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Speaker 3: today and what our role should be in support and

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Speaker 3: what have you.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to say our view, and I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about you and me, Man, you and me, because there

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00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: are different views and evangelical Christianity about Israel, and these

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Speaker 1: are There are men and women that I have mad

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Speaker 1: respect for that will have a different view of Israel

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Speaker 1: and that does not have anything to do with salvation.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't have anything to do with them being a

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Speaker 1: brother or a sister of mine in Christ that I

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Speaker 1: will embrace an eternity in paradise with Christ that these

649
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Speaker 1: are second, third, fourth, fifth tier issues that just are

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Speaker 1: just it's not the Gospel. So to view Israel differently

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Speaker 1: as a Christian, maybe we should start the whole thing

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Speaker 1: with this, this idea, how do Christians think about Israel. Well, first, however,

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Speaker 1: you view Israel as a Christian as long as it's

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Speaker 1: secondary to the Gospel. This should this shouldn't bring disunity.

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Speaker 1: We should be able to have good discussions, uh and disagree,

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Speaker 1: but have good solid discussions based on the Bible. So

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Speaker 1: here's some major theories that the one major theory about

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Speaker 1: how Christians should view Israel, it's called the replacement theory.

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Speaker 1: And this is the idea that Israel does not exist anymore.

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Speaker 1: The Church is the new Israel. The Church has replaced Israel.

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Speaker 1: It's called the replacement theory.

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Speaker 3: And when you when you you say that because we

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Speaker 3: interchange Israel a lot, is that not talking about the

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Speaker 3: government of Israel of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: It's all in it's still kind of bound up in

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Speaker 1: there because people sure it is. But there are certain

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Speaker 1: people that think that Israel the nineteen forty eight version

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Speaker 1: is the old Israel. And so in all all everything

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Speaker 1: that has to do with Israel. Yeah, And the replacement

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Speaker 1: theory says that the ethnic Jews, the Old Covenant promises,

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Speaker 1: all of them are now null. They are null and

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Speaker 1: void because the Church is the substitute. Is the replacement

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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, being old Old Covenant and New Covenant.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Old Covenant and New Covenant are separate.

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Speaker 4: Old Covenant has been fulfilled. New Covenant is with Christ,

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Speaker 4: and that is.

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Speaker 1: Are we are. In the replacement theory, we are Israel

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Speaker 1: because of our lineage of faith back to Abraham, and

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Speaker 1: those that have rejected Christ are now cut off from

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Speaker 1: that lineage and there is no more Israel.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: It is all the Church, right, and that's a uppercase

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Speaker 1: see church. That's the universal Church that all you know,

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Speaker 1: the all the evangelical denominations are lowercase see churches. The

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Speaker 1: opposite of this is called dispensationalism, or sometimes dispensational dualism.

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Speaker 1: This means that the church in Israel remain entirely separate

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Speaker 1: in people groups, very distinct destinies. One is earthly Israel

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Speaker 1: and the other is heavenly Church. That's a very crude

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Speaker 1: way to say it, but dispensationalism you'll see this a

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Speaker 1: lot in Pentecostals, Charismatics. You'll see it a lot in

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Speaker 1: Calvary Chapel, King James only people. There's a kind of

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Speaker 1: a consistency with dispensational dualism, which is why typically you

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Speaker 1: see more tours of Israel coming from churches that are

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Speaker 1: dispensational because they're going Israel. Is Israel matters. They are

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Speaker 1: still God's The Jews are God's chosen people, and God

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Speaker 1: will ultimately redeem them. He has a plan for them

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Speaker 1: separate from our plan as Christians. Once again, this is

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Speaker 1: a crude way of saying. These two, these two the

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Speaker 1: replacement theory and dispensationalism. I am going to say, you

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Speaker 1: and I fall in the middle.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I completely agree. Yeah. And that's why I

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Speaker 4: want you to know.

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Speaker 3: That's why I feel comfortable with Granger saying what we believe,

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Speaker 3: because We've had off these mics, had conversations, and I'm

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Speaker 3: like I kind of fall in the yeah, and so

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Speaker 3: do I And what but then also what about this?

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Speaker 3: And and we'll kind of talk through some of that,

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Speaker 3: but that is definitely the overarching is this and that

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Speaker 3: and this?

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Speaker 1: So what what where we fall is that? And what

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Speaker 1: we believe the Bible says and teaches in our churches

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Speaker 1: as well, is that there is no old and new.

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Speaker 1: It's true Jesus is the true Israel, which is meaning

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Speaker 1: Christ himself, the Messiah, the son of God, is the

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Speaker 1: obedient son who succeeds in every place where the where

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Speaker 1: Israel failed as humans, flawed, sinful humans. And we see

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Speaker 1: the entire Old Testament, we see that that Israel is

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Speaker 1: referred to as I mean, Israel is a name. It

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Speaker 1: comes from Jacob, who was the first one that God

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Speaker 1: named Israel, and it's always looked upon as as God's son,

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Speaker 1: so God's son. And actually, actually, you know what Exodus.

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Speaker 1: If we go to Exodus for let make sure I've

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Speaker 1: got my bible marked her Exodus four twenty two says

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Speaker 1: that more specific Exodus. Here we are. So so then

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Speaker 1: then you shall say to Pharaoh, thus says the Lord,

727
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Speaker 1: Israel is my first born son. And I say to you,

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Speaker 1: let my son go that he may serve me. If

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Speaker 1: you refuse this, this is God through Moses talking to Pharaoh.

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Speaker 1: If you refuse to let him go, behold, I will

731
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Speaker 1: kill your first born son. So this is the Exodus.

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Speaker 1: This is leading up to Passover where in this moment

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Speaker 1: God says Israel, and he's talking about the people is

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Speaker 1: Israel is my son. They they I love them, and

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Speaker 1: you will let them go, or I will kill your

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Speaker 1: firstborn son. And this leads into the past. So the

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Speaker 1: very first passover where the people of Israel were commanded

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Speaker 1: by the Lord through Moses to mark their dwelling places,

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Speaker 1: their houses with the blood of a spotless lamb. And

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Speaker 1: they needed to mark their doors on the side of

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Speaker 1: the doors and on the top the lintel on the top,

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Speaker 1: they needed to wipe it with the blood's lamb, and

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Speaker 1: they needed to eat the lamb in the house. This

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Speaker 1: is the first Passover. Eat the lamb and put the

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Speaker 1: blood on the door. If you if you are marked

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Speaker 1: by the blood of the spotless lamb, and you have

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Speaker 1: eaten this flesh, then the Destroyer, the Angel of the

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Speaker 1: Lord that's passing over that night, that that's coming that

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Speaker 1: night to destroy you and all the first born of Egypt.

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Speaker 1: If you're marked by this blood your household, not if

751
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Speaker 1: you're a good person, not if you do this and that,

752
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Speaker 1: if you're marked by the blood of a spotless lamb,

753
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Speaker 1: the Angel of the Lord, the Destroyer will pass over

754
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Speaker 1: your house and spare you because you're covered by the blood.

755
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Speaker 1: Now this is all pointing towards the Son of God, Jesus,

756
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Speaker 1: the Messiah, the Christ, the True Israel, the one who

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Speaker 1: did not fail, the one who as the Israelites. The

758
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Speaker 1: Sun comes through the red seas, the Sea's party, it

759
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Speaker 1: comes through the waters, and Jesus comes through the waters

760
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Speaker 1: of Baptism with John the Baptist and the Jordan River,

761
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Speaker 1: and he redeems the people, and he got where they

762
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Speaker 1: went for forty years into the wilderness. And Jesus goes

763
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Speaker 1: for forty days into the wilderness and fast without and

764
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Speaker 1: he's tempted by Satan, and he passes the test. Israel

765
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Speaker 1: is tempted in the forty years, and they fail to

766
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Speaker 1: test every step along the way where they the people

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Speaker 1: of Israel failed, And the true Son, the True Israel,

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Speaker 1: past even into the Book of Judges. We were just

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Speaker 1: talking about this in a men's retreat that we had

770
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Speaker 1: at our church. The Book of Judges got the Israel

771
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Speaker 1: continues to fail God and be disobedient, and so God

772
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Speaker 1: appoints judges among the people. And every time God appoints

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Speaker 1: a judge, that people are reconciled back to God. And

774
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Speaker 1: when I say judge, I'm not talking about like a judge, judy,

775
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Speaker 1: or someone sitting with a robe, you know, behind a desk.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about I'm basically a military leader. So the

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Speaker 1: judge that God would appoint is a military leader that

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Speaker 1: would bring the people, gather them back to the Lord,

779
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Speaker 1: and destroy their inner their enemies.

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Speaker 4: And this.

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Speaker 1: Every time that the judge did this, the people were restored.

782
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Speaker 1: But then the judge would die because they're fragile and

783
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Speaker 1: they're human, or they would fail and sin, and the

784
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: people would just go right back.

785
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Speaker 4: To their word ways.

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Speaker 1: Not until that happened, until the true judge was appointed

787
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Speaker 1: Christ who in Acts ten just read this morning. Peter

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Speaker 1: is speaking here and says that he has commanded us

789
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Speaker 1: to preach to the people and testify that he is

790
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Speaker 1: the one appointed by God to be the judge of

791
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Speaker 1: the living and the dead. To him, all the prophets

792
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Speaker 1: the Old Testament bear witness that everyone who believes in

793
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Speaker 1: him receives forgiveness of sins through his name. So Jesus became.

794
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Speaker 1: He fulfilled everything in the Old Testament, including the judges.

795
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Speaker 1: He's now the perfect judge, the guy we were with

796
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Speaker 1: this weekend we were talking to he said, Jesus is

797
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: the Prince of peace. He ushers in perfect peace. But

798
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Speaker 1: not because he's a pacifist, but because he's the perfect

799
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: military leader, totally wiping out the enemy. Sure, so much

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Speaker 1: so that it ushers in perfect peace. There's no more

801
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: there's no more problems, there's no more sin, there's no

802
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: more there's no more enemy at all, so much so

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Speaker 1: that the Book of Revelation talks about heaven and talks

804
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: about the City of God. The gates are open because

805
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: there's no more enemy. Yeah, there's no need to close

806
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: the gates when you have a perfect judge. In the

807
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: Book of Judges in the Bible, God always told them

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Speaker 1: destroy the enemy, and they always missed it. They always

809
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Speaker 1: didn't fulfill it perfectly. Until Christ Christ becomes the perfect Israel,

810
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Speaker 1: the true Israel. And so what what does that mean

811
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Speaker 1: for us? Well, those that are united in Christ through

812
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: repentance and faith, acquired His identity. One number one, we

813
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: require we acquire righteousness given imputed to us, like credited

814
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Speaker 1: into our account. We are bankrupt. It takes righteousness to

815
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Speaker 1: get into Heaven. You must be righteous everywhere in the

816
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Speaker 1: Bible says, you must be righteous?

817
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Speaker 4: Are you righteous through Him? Not on my own?

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Speaker 1: Am I?

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Speaker 4: No? No?

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Speaker 1: Not on my own? Through Him. So we are credited

821
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Speaker 1: into our bankrupt account righteousness, and we're credited identity in

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Speaker 1: every way in Christ Paul calls it. We are. In

823
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Speaker 1: Galatians six sixteen, Paul says, we are the Israel of God.

824
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Speaker 1: We are the sons and daughters of the King. Not

825
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Speaker 1: because we've earned it, and not because of a bloodline,

826
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Speaker 1: but because through faith, by God's grace, we take on Christ,

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Speaker 1: the perfect, true Israel's identity. And so because of that

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Speaker 1: we belong as God's people. We are Israel because of

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Speaker 1: the identity we get from Christ, right the Messiah. So

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Speaker 1: this is not the Church doesn't replace Israel, and the

831
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Speaker 1: Church isn't separate from Israel. Christ is the true Israel.

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Speaker 1: And because He's the true Israel, we take on his identity.

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Speaker 1: Then that takes us to a very troubling place. If

834
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Speaker 1: you want to say what I just said, that takes

835
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Speaker 1: us to a mystery. You know where I'm going right now.

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Speaker 4: In Romans Romans, chapter eleven, Romans.

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Speaker 1: Eleven, here it is in my Bible. The subheading and

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Speaker 1: verse twenty five of Romans eleven says, the mystery of

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Speaker 1: Israel's salvation. So there's the section in here. Let you

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Speaker 1: be what lest you be wise in your own sight.

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Speaker 1: I do not want you to be unaware of the mystery. Brothers.

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Speaker 1: A partial hardening has come upon Israel until the fullness

843
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Speaker 1: of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way

844
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Speaker 1: all of Israel will be saved. This is I believe

845
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Speaker 1: it is what it is. It is a mystery, as

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Speaker 1: Paul says. And so this is why I kind of

847
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: stand in the middle of between replacement theory and dispensationalism dualism.

848
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Speaker 1: There is there is a component to this that we

849
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: can't possibly understand. But here's what we know. And then

850
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna shut up, Anthony. Here's what we know. No

851
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Speaker 1: one comes to the Father, but through Jesus, all who

852
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: have the Son have life. Whoever does not have the

853
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: Son does not have life, but the wrath of God

854
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Speaker 1: remains upon him. John three point thirty six. The entire

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00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: New Testament and the entire Old Testament points towards salvation

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Speaker 1: through the Anointed One, which is what Messiah means, the

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Speaker 1: anointed one of God. We know in the New Testament.

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Speaker 1: As we see this revealed back all the Old Testament

859
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Speaker 1: points to the New Testament and says here he is,

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Speaker 1: if you do not have the Son, you will not

861
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Speaker 1: be saved. You will not see the Father apart from

862
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Speaker 1: the Son. So whatever the mystery of the of the

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Speaker 1: salvation of Israel is, whatever, that grafting is the grafting

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Speaker 1: in whatever, they must go through Christ. They will not

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Speaker 1: make it in a back door or a side window.

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Speaker 1: They must go through the judge. That's any people, any people, including.

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Speaker 4: Jews, including Jews.

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Speaker 1: That I talked to him. What are we at time with?

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Speaker 4: No, that's fifty three. We're good.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is great. Okay. I asked you before we

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Speaker 1: started recording. I said, well, you make sure that I

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Speaker 1: don't start talking over somebody.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't think you have. I think I think.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I've been listening for too, is do

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Speaker 3: we need explanation on any of this? You explained it

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Speaker 3: very well, and especially going back to the Old Testament,

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Speaker 3: going back to Exodus, going back to the Passover, going

878
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Speaker 3: back to like it's just if you want to know,

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Speaker 3: and we're talking about here in Romans, what is the

880
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 3: mystery the mystery is that is that it's fulfilled in him.

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Speaker 3: Everything that you wonder about, are concerned about, is fulfilled

882
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Speaker 3: in Christ. You just said it. I mean the whole

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Speaker 3: day is Israel is the first Son of God.

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Speaker 4: We want you to let him go. And because you haven't,

885
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Speaker 4: I'm going to kill your first born.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and he is?

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Speaker 4: He is?

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Speaker 3: He's who is Jesus, the Son of God. And you

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Speaker 3: want to know who Israel is and how to differentiate

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Speaker 3: between the Israel of the Bible and the Israel of

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five or nineteen forty eight, And what I

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Speaker 3: mean by that is because that's when Israel was declared

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Speaker 3: a nation once again, was in nineteen forty eight.

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Speaker 4: What's the difference between them all?

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Speaker 3: Well, Jesus, like you, you so diligently illustrated it, and

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Speaker 3: I'm butchering now. I apologize, but I feel that it

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Speaker 3: it makes sense that it is. The mystery is how

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Speaker 3: could one man be at all that? If there's any mystery,

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Speaker 3: that's it, but to know that it's all fulfilled in him.

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Speaker 3: Everything that you wonder about Israel is that the Israel

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Speaker 3: of Bible, ors of the Israel forty eight, or is

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Speaker 3: the Israel twenty twenty five. Benjamin Nett Yahoo is on

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Speaker 3: the thumbnail of this of this podcast.

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Speaker 4: It's all him, Yeah, it's all in him.

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Speaker 1: So thinking about that Passover incident in Exodus, when John

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Speaker 1: the Baptist sees Jesus, he says, behold the Lamb of God.

907
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Speaker 1: There is the lamb.

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Speaker 4: Yep, that's it.

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Speaker 3: There's the lamp the sin of the world, not of

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Speaker 3: the Jews, not of the Gentiles, not of the Palestinians,

911
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Speaker 3: not of the elite or the pool were.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the world, the world. And there's so much depth

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Speaker 1: there too, because Jesus was born in Bethlehem. That's the

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Speaker 1: place where the lambs, the spotless lambs were taken from

915
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Speaker 1: those fields in Bethlehem for centuries, taken to Jerusalem and

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Speaker 1: put on the altar and sacrifice. Those spotless lambs that

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Speaker 1: were continuing the tradition of the Passover were brought from Bethlehem,

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Speaker 1: the same place where the Lamb of God capital l

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Speaker 1: was also born.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 1: And then Revelation five. We talked about it before, but

922
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Speaker 1: the big revelation of John with the lamb worthy to

923
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Speaker 1: be praised in Revelation. It's incredible.

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Speaker 3: I think that there might be some people that have

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Speaker 3: gotten this far, who made it all way to the

926
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Speaker 3: end and went, I don't know if you answered the question.

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Speaker 3: Rewatch it and listen again, because it will click and

928
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Speaker 3: it might not be today.

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Speaker 4: You know, it might be you. Maybe you can.

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Speaker 3: Watch this again in a month or when something else

931
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Speaker 3: happens in Israel. Like I remember there was that podcast

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Speaker 3: with Granger about Israel and how we should feel about them,

933
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Speaker 3: what we should think about them, and what what was

934
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Speaker 3: that again? I remember that being something that spoke to me,

935
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Speaker 3: and I'm not really sure what it was.

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Speaker 1: Watch this again, great point, and I want to look

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Speaker 1: at something. I'm want to look at something else. I'm

938
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Speaker 1: trying to think. Sometimes I move so fast when where

939
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Speaker 1: in the world is it?

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Speaker 4: Is it?

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Speaker 1: I think it's in Yes, yeah, here it is, yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: Joshua five. I love it when that happens. Yeah, Okay,

943
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Speaker 1: listen to this. I'm gonna highlight that or drop my pen.

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Speaker 3: That's in your book, it's in your Bible. I just

945
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Speaker 3: have it as a marker right now.

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Speaker 1: And Joshua five, and this will this will help wrap

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Speaker 1: up what you just said in an inter a question.

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Speaker 1: The people of Israel have now after all the forty

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Speaker 1: years that we talked about, they've now under the command

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Speaker 1: of Joshua. Moses is Dad. Under the command of Joshua,

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Speaker 1: they are taken over the Jordan River into their land

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Speaker 1: that they are given. It just happens to be the

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Speaker 1: same geographic land that the current Israel has now, yes,

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Speaker 1: which is very specific in its in its geographic borders.

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Speaker 1: They move in and the the they're moving into Jericho.

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Speaker 1: They're going to take Jericho, okay, And Jericho is a

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Speaker 1: mighty city with a mighty wall around it, and they're

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Speaker 1: gonna they're going to destroy these people, the people of Israel,

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Speaker 1: to take to take the promised land given to them.

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Speaker 1: Side note Reyhab the prostitute is in Jericho, and the

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Speaker 1: spies go in and they meet the prostitute and she says,

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Speaker 1: I know you men are from the Lord, the True God.

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Speaker 1: And they said, if you hide us from your people,

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Speaker 1: we will save you and all your.

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Speaker 4: Household And she says, anybody inside.

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Speaker 1: Anybody here, and she says, I believe I will hide you.

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Speaker 1: And so the tire they tie a ribbon on her

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Speaker 1: on the outside of her window, and Israel comes in

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Speaker 1: and they wipe out Jericho right but they save her

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Speaker 1: and her household, a prostitute, a non Jew, and she

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Speaker 1: ends up in the lineage of the Christ. She if

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Speaker 1: you look at Matthew in the first chapter, she's in

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Speaker 1: the She's a descendant. She's in the lineage of Jesus,

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Speaker 1: a non Jew, a gentile, a dog to them. So

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Speaker 1: that this has nothing to do with ethnicity. Here, there's

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with race. Race is a human construct.

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Speaker 1: But that's not my point. Oh, it's something else. My

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Speaker 1: point is Joshua chapter five, in the setting of this

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Speaker 1: whole going to take on Jericho thing. Look at verse thirteen.

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Speaker 1: When Joshua was by Jericho, he lifted up his eyes

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Speaker 1: and looked, and behold a man was standing before him

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Speaker 1: with his drawn sword in his hand. And Joshua went

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Speaker 1: to him and said, are you for us or for

984
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Speaker 1: our adversaries? And he said no, but I am. I

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Speaker 1: am the commander of the army of the Lord. Now

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Speaker 1: I have come. And Joshua fell on his face to

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Speaker 1: the earth and worshiped and said to him, what does

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Speaker 1: the Lord say to his servant? So the point here

989
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Speaker 1: is what does God say about the Palestinians and the

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Speaker 1: nineteen forty eight government the net and Yahoo government of

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Speaker 1: Israel and all this fighting. And when we say, as Christians,

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01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: will we say what side are you on? God? Are

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Speaker 1: you on the side of the Palestinians or on the

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Speaker 1: side of Israel? God says, no, I'm on my side.

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Speaker 1: You know that is? That is this is the most

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Speaker 1: interesting thing right there. In verse it's a long chance.

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Speaker 1: It's a long verse. Thirteen are you for us or

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Speaker 1: for our adversaries? And fourteen he says no, neither, No, Yeah,

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01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: don't pick that side. Yeah, the Lord, the Lord has

1000
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: his side and it's not yours. It's not what you think,

1001
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: right right, oh man? And part of that you could

1002
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: look and see what happens, and part of it is

1003
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Speaker 1: Rahab's in there is God going to go, I'm for you,

1004
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: I'm not for Jericho. What about Reeb and and all

1005
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: of our family that end up being the in the

1006
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: heritage of the I'm not don't.

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Speaker 4: I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I don't pick sides like you do. Man, Yep, Joshua,

1009
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Speaker 1: not the same. I'm not. I don't. I don't pick

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01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: sides like you do. I have higher I have higher

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01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: thoughts than you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so good, so good.

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01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: Maybe this has been fun, This is fun podcast.

1014
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, they always are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because they're not that we don't have them like itemized.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, here's everything.

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Speaker 3: We got to be sure and hit and then when

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Speaker 3: we hit that last one, we're done.

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Speaker 4: God, where are you going to take it?

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Speaker 1: Have fun of it, all right, appreciate your brother. Thank y'all. Gee,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for hanging out with me on

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Speaker 1: this episode of the Grangersmith Podcast. I appreciate you being here.

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