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Speaker 2: Man, welcome back to George Noory along with Rich Valdez
Speaker 2: as we talk about demonology. Which have you ever been
Speaker 2: concerned as a demonologist that you'll bring one of these
Speaker 2: demons home with you?
Speaker 3: You know, I actually experienced that was actually possessed unfortunately,
Speaker 3: because shortly, i'd say about two three months after I
Speaker 3: had helped my girlfriend out, we were just getting ready
Speaker 3: for bed and I noticed that same glazed look over
Speaker 3: her eyes, and I knew right away that it was back,
Speaker 3: and I was caught off guard, and all I remember
Speaker 3: doing was praying. I started praying, and the rest was
Speaker 3: a blackout according to my girlfriend, which I guess when
Speaker 3: it left her went into me filled me in on
Speaker 3: a lot of strange things that I was doing that
Speaker 3: I don't recall. And even the scriptures speak of that,
Speaker 3: where it states that when a demon is cast out,
Speaker 3: it goes on to dry places looking for a refuge,
Speaker 3: and it finds none. It comes back and it notices
Speaker 3: that where it was cast out from it's been swept clean.
Speaker 3: And then it goes back out and finds seven more
Speaker 3: wicked than it to take over. And that's pretty much
Speaker 3: what it felt like. Because I don't recall a good
Speaker 3: forty five minutes. I was blacked out. She had to
Speaker 3: fill in the blanks for me.
Speaker 2: What do these demons want with us?
Speaker 3: The demons, basically from what I've researched over the years
Speaker 3: and studied, is that they have this. The reason they rebelled,
Speaker 3: at least according to the Judeo Christian faith, is because
Speaker 3: of jealousy that God had actually placed man above them.
Speaker 3: And you see, they were created before we were. And
Speaker 3: when they heard or they found out that, you know,
Speaker 3: God was imparting upon us favoritism in the sense that
Speaker 3: we were created in his image, and they didn't want
Speaker 3: to be serving God or us. That's the rebellion. So
Speaker 3: they what they try to do is they try to
Speaker 3: take over and literally take as many souls as they
Speaker 3: can away from God. That's their life's mission is to
Speaker 3: ruin us as human beings because we've been created in
Speaker 3: His image.
Speaker 2: Are they the fallen angels?
Speaker 3: Rich? Yes, yes, they are.
Speaker 2: Headed up by Lucifer.
Speaker 3: Well, Lucifer being the I believe he was the first
Speaker 3: angel created. He was I would say God's right hand
Speaker 3: for the longest time and all the angels when they rebelled.
Speaker 3: In the scriptures, it states that a third of Heaven
Speaker 3: and Lucifer fell that day to Earth. And there's a
Speaker 3: lot of misconceptions a lot of people that I believe
Speaker 3: that has a lot to do with Hollywood and depictions
Speaker 3: over the years that they felt to Hell, but in
Speaker 3: fact they fell to Earth, and I think that's where
Speaker 3: they wrote more than anything else.
Speaker 2: What percent of the possessions do you believe are related
Speaker 2: to mental illness or actual demonic possession?
Speaker 3: Well, to clear the air, and I'm glad you asked
Speaker 3: that question, there's more I've in my thirty six years
Speaker 3: and going thirty seven years now that I've been dealing
Speaker 3: with demonology, I have found there to be more mental
Speaker 3: illness and also misconceptions as to what's going on, and
Speaker 3: in fact ends up being a haunting or a very
Speaker 3: you know, as you were in life, so shall you
Speaker 3: be in death. Human spirits that just are very malicious,
Speaker 3: but very far in few between I've actually been involved
Speaker 3: with I would say nine or ten actual authenticated demonic situations.
Speaker 2: What invites the demon in.
Speaker 3: That is a tricky question, and I'll answer to the
Speaker 3: best of my ability. I think when your defenses are down,
Speaker 3: it could be illness, it could be depression. If you
Speaker 3: play with the black art occult things that invite darker
Speaker 3: spirits to come through. That opens the door. But believe
Speaker 3: it or not, George, what I've noticed is the ones
Speaker 3: that are attacked the most. And this is not only
Speaker 3: from what I have actually literally taken note of, but
Speaker 3: this is something that many that I talk to within
Speaker 3: the theological community. The ones that are attacked the most
Speaker 3: are people like us, the ones that are faithful to God,
Speaker 3: the ones that do the work of God, because those
Speaker 3: are the marlins, the ones they want to catch, you know,
Speaker 3: those are the big ones. See I just took one
Speaker 3: away from you God, kind of you know, shoving that
Speaker 3: in his face.
Speaker 2: What do we need to do to prevail ourselves rich,
Speaker 2: to keep these demons from getting to us?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I've always stated and to me, I'm
Speaker 3: a very very open and eclectic individual when it comes
Speaker 3: to faith. I respect all faiths. I strongly urge that
Speaker 3: whatever faith a person may have, be very very close
Speaker 3: to your faith, be at one spiritually, be at one
Speaker 3: with whatever you feel is your hierarchical deity, God, and
Speaker 3: lead a very good life. Do unto those what you
Speaker 3: would have them do unto you. And if you find
Speaker 3: yourself struggling, then reach out to people that can actually
Speaker 3: guide you in your faith, because I've seen many many
Speaker 3: people that fall away due to depression or loss or whatnot,
Speaker 3: and it's just a matter of actually getting back to that.
Speaker 3: You know, the habits you had at one time and
Speaker 3: getting back to that. And if you need guidance, just
Speaker 3: reach out to whomever you consider to be your spiritual guide.
Speaker 2: Does the possessed person know they're possessed?
Speaker 3: You know, oftentimes they may not know. I have actually
Speaker 3: witnessed possessions that happened quickly, to the extent to where,
Speaker 3: you know, my girlfriend being one of them, and three
Speaker 3: other people where within hours they were taken over. Sometimes
Speaker 3: it's a progressive thing and they may not know. They
Speaker 3: may think. That's why the Paranormal Clergy Institute exists because
Speaker 3: we incorporate the use of paranormal teams to go out
Speaker 3: and investigate on the behalf of the paranormal clergy. They
Speaker 3: report back to us what their findings are. I then
Speaker 3: go over that evidence and decide whether there are signs
Speaker 3: of demonic activity, or if this is possibly just a
Speaker 3: human haunting, and oftentimes it really is just a human
Speaker 3: haunting or something that's just misunderstood.
Speaker 2: Have you ever had a clergy you remember, rich that
Speaker 2: just did want to go back again?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, it's not I wish, I wish they'd
Speaker 3: understand that. And I've discovered some of these that, and
Speaker 3: I've dealt with many that choose not to go back
Speaker 3: or even identify anymore after an actual case that has
Speaker 3: been deemed demonic. They really never had the calling for this.
Speaker 3: And if you do have a calling, you stick to
Speaker 3: this and you draw from your faith and that it's
Speaker 3: not you, it's God that's working through you to cast
Speaker 3: this out.
Speaker 2: How well does prayer holding up the crucifix, invoking the
Speaker 2: name of God and Jesus does that work?
Speaker 3: It does, and I strongly urge that it be people
Speaker 3: that are formally trained to do so. But if a
Speaker 3: person has no other choice, it's all in the intent
Speaker 3: and their faith that they have in God. If they
Speaker 3: don't believe that holding up a crucifix, and I always
Speaker 3: urge that people that have crucifixes make sure it's blessed
Speaker 3: by a man or woman of the cloth and make
Speaker 3: sure that you do have faith that whatever you're doing,
Speaker 3: whether it's holy water, anointed oil, a crucifix, Rosary and
Speaker 3: prayers that you are doing, you have faith that God
Speaker 3: is the one doing the work, not you.
Speaker 2: Do you think this is a field that people should
Speaker 2: get into on a whim.
Speaker 3: Oh oh no, no, no, definitely not. That's as I
Speaker 3: stated earlier when when my pastor actually approached me with this,
Speaker 3: he stated, after I said yes, he said, so, now
Speaker 3: you know this is your calling. This is a calling.
Speaker 3: This is not something that you wake up when they
Speaker 3: say I want to be a demonologist, or I want
Speaker 3: to be a priest or I want to do this,
Speaker 3: or that you don't do that. This is something that
Speaker 3: takes time in prayer and you really have to think
Speaker 3: to yourself, is this my calling or not. I know
Speaker 3: there's a lot of people out there that love to
Speaker 3: think that this is like the very popular show Supernatural,
Speaker 3: where you just go out there demon hunting and you
Speaker 3: do your thing. But no, this is a calling. This
Speaker 3: is why I refer to this as a theological calling.
Speaker 2: Just in the United States orch how many demonologists are there?
Speaker 3: I would have to I'd say that there would be
Speaker 3: maybe around there should be around three four thousand. Really
Speaker 3: have many, Yes, I really do believe so, because the
Speaker 3: Catholic Church has a lot of demonologists, and not only that,
Speaker 3: you have to count all the others that you have
Speaker 3: to count the non denominationals, the Baptist, Presbyterians, Angelic and
Speaker 3: so on. And they may not be called demonologists, they
Speaker 3: may have other titles that they've given to them, but
Speaker 3: they specialize in this.
Speaker 2: How many people do you think may have demons possessing
Speaker 2: them right now? Just in the US, There may be many.
Speaker 3: I've always believed that, and this is where it gets very,
Speaker 3: very tricky. Mental illness has a lot of the same
Speaker 3: symptoms of demonic possession, but then again you have disassociative personalities,
Speaker 3: and that in itself is when it gets really tricky.
Speaker 3: That's where the testing comes in. But they can hide
Speaker 3: and camouflage behind a person that has been already categorized
Speaker 3: as mentally ill, when in fact it may be possessions.
Speaker 3: So I'm not saying that all of the mental health
Speaker 3: hospitals are filled with demonically possessed people, but possibly people
Speaker 3: that have been misdiagnosed.
Speaker 2: Probably lots of them have been misdiagnosed.
Speaker 3: Oh definitely, yes.
Speaker 2: What do you do personally to cleanse yourself?
Speaker 3: Well, you mean after a case, correct, Yes, So before
Speaker 3: a case, I actually go through a lot of prayer
Speaker 3: and meditation. I have to prepare myself and prepare whoever's
Speaker 3: going in with me. During I'm constantly praying, and afterwards
Speaker 3: I literally have to do confession. This is before and
Speaker 3: after I have to do confession, and I never go
Speaker 3: in without my bishop or priest that i'm working with
Speaker 3: praying for me. And what I do is I take
Speaker 3: a lot of time to meditate, walk clear my thoughts
Speaker 3: from what just happened and what I experienced. If and
Speaker 3: when it is an actual authentic demonic case, but like
Speaker 3: I said, they're very far and few between.
Speaker 2: You enjoy doing what you're doing, though, don't you.
Speaker 3: You know, if I was in heaven right now, let's
Speaker 3: say I was about to be sent down and they
Speaker 3: were offering up jobs, I would not take this. But
Speaker 3: I also know that this is my calling. I've suffered
Speaker 3: a lot over the years due to a lot of
Speaker 3: the cases that I've had to take on. What I
Speaker 3: feel when it comes to doing my job is that
Speaker 3: at least I know I'm helping people, and that in itself,
Speaker 3: to me is the most important thing. I'm helping people
Speaker 3: that are in need of assistance. They don't know, they're scared,
Speaker 3: they don't know what's going on. And the best job
Speaker 3: for me, the best part of the job, I should say,
Speaker 3: is when I'm able to tell them this is not demonic.
Speaker 3: Because let me tell you, if I was in their
Speaker 3: shoes and I was scared that there's possibly a demonic infestation, oppression,
Speaker 3: possession going on, I'd like to have that demonologist or
Speaker 3: clergyman come in and say, you know, I got great
Speaker 3: news for you. This is not you know, demonic. It's
Speaker 3: like a doctor coming in and saying, I got great
Speaker 3: news for you. This is not cancer.
Speaker 2: Too bad, there's not some special spray you use or
Speaker 2: something like that. Whenever you're going through a situation.
Speaker 3: Oh, that would so help.
Speaker 2: What would you call the perfect possession?
Speaker 3: The perfect possession is a person that has consciously decided
Speaker 3: that they want to be demonically possessed. They have actually
Speaker 3: welcomed demonic activity to reside within their body. They're very
Speaker 3: far in few between, but when you do find them,
Speaker 3: those are the ones that, unfortunately you cannot help because
Speaker 3: they have made a conscious choice and decision to not
Speaker 3: you know, be on the side of God, or stray
Speaker 3: or stay away from from something so dark. That's when
Speaker 3: it becomes an actual perfect possession. That's why what we
Speaker 3: call a perfect possession.
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