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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Man, welcome back to George Noory along with Rich Valdez

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Speaker 2: as we talk about demonology. Which have you ever been

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Speaker 2: concerned as a demonologist that you'll bring one of these

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Speaker 2: demons home with you?

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Speaker 3: You know, I actually experienced that was actually possessed unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: because shortly, i'd say about two three months after I

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Speaker 3: had helped my girlfriend out, we were just getting ready

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Speaker 3: for bed and I noticed that same glazed look over

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Speaker 3: her eyes, and I knew right away that it was back,

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Speaker 3: and I was caught off guard, and all I remember

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Speaker 3: doing was praying. I started praying, and the rest was

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Speaker 3: a blackout according to my girlfriend, which I guess when

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Speaker 3: it left her went into me filled me in on

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Speaker 3: a lot of strange things that I was doing that

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Speaker 3: I don't recall. And even the scriptures speak of that,

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Speaker 3: where it states that when a demon is cast out,

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Speaker 3: it goes on to dry places looking for a refuge,

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Speaker 3: and it finds none. It comes back and it notices

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Speaker 3: that where it was cast out from it's been swept clean.

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Speaker 3: And then it goes back out and finds seven more

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Speaker 3: wicked than it to take over. And that's pretty much

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Speaker 3: what it felt like. Because I don't recall a good

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Speaker 3: forty five minutes. I was blacked out. She had to

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Speaker 3: fill in the blanks for me.

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Speaker 2: What do these demons want with us?

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Speaker 3: The demons, basically from what I've researched over the years

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Speaker 3: and studied, is that they have this. The reason they rebelled,

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Speaker 3: at least according to the Judeo Christian faith, is because

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Speaker 3: of jealousy that God had actually placed man above them.

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Speaker 3: And you see, they were created before we were. And

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Speaker 3: when they heard or they found out that, you know,

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Speaker 3: God was imparting upon us favoritism in the sense that

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Speaker 3: we were created in his image, and they didn't want

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Speaker 3: to be serving God or us. That's the rebellion. So

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Speaker 3: they what they try to do is they try to

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Speaker 3: take over and literally take as many souls as they

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Speaker 3: can away from God. That's their life's mission is to

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Speaker 3: ruin us as human beings because we've been created in

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Speaker 3: His image.

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Speaker 2: Are they the fallen angels?

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Speaker 3: Rich? Yes, yes, they are.

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Speaker 2: Headed up by Lucifer.

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Speaker 3: Well, Lucifer being the I believe he was the first

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Speaker 3: angel created. He was I would say God's right hand

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Speaker 3: for the longest time and all the angels when they rebelled.

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Speaker 3: In the scriptures, it states that a third of Heaven

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Speaker 3: and Lucifer fell that day to Earth. And there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of misconceptions a lot of people that I believe

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Speaker 3: that has a lot to do with Hollywood and depictions

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Speaker 3: over the years that they felt to Hell, but in

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Speaker 3: fact they fell to Earth, and I think that's where

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Speaker 3: they wrote more than anything else.

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Speaker 2: What percent of the possessions do you believe are related

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Speaker 2: to mental illness or actual demonic possession?

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Speaker 3: Well, to clear the air, and I'm glad you asked

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Speaker 3: that question, there's more I've in my thirty six years

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Speaker 3: with demonology, I have found there to be more mental

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Speaker 3: illness and also misconceptions as to what's going on, and

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Speaker 3: in fact ends up being a haunting or a very

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Speaker 3: you know, as you were in life, so shall you

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Speaker 3: be in death. Human spirits that just are very malicious,

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Speaker 3: but very far in few between I've actually been involved

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Speaker 3: with I would say nine or ten actual authenticated demonic situations.

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Speaker 2: What invites the demon in.

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Speaker 3: That is a tricky question, and I'll answer to the

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Speaker 3: best of my ability. I think when your defenses are down,

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Speaker 3: it could be illness, it could be depression. If you

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Speaker 3: play with the black art occult things that invite darker

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Speaker 3: spirits to come through. That opens the door. But believe

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Speaker 3: it or not, George, what I've noticed is the ones

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Speaker 3: that are attacked the most. And this is not only

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Speaker 3: from what I have actually literally taken note of, but

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Speaker 3: this is something that many that I talk to within

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Speaker 3: the theological community. The ones that are attacked the most

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Speaker 3: are people like us, the ones that are faithful to God,

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Speaker 3: the ones that do the work of God, because those

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Speaker 3: those are the big ones. See I just took one

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Speaker 3: away from you God, kind of you know, shoving that

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Speaker 2: What do we need to do to prevail ourselves rich,

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I've always stated and to me, I'm

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Speaker 3: a very very open and eclectic individual when it comes

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Speaker 3: to faith. I respect all faiths. I strongly urge that

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Speaker 3: whatever faith a person may have, be very very close

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Speaker 3: to your faith, be at one spiritually, be at one

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Speaker 3: with whatever you feel is your hierarchical deity, God, and

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Speaker 3: lead a very good life. Do unto those what you

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Speaker 3: would have them do unto you. And if you find

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Speaker 3: guide you in your faith, because I've seen many many

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Speaker 3: people that fall away due to depression or loss or whatnot,

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Speaker 3: and it's just a matter of actually getting back to that.

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Speaker 3: You know, the habits you had at one time and

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Speaker 3: getting back to that. And if you need guidance, just

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Speaker 3: reach out to whomever you consider to be your spiritual guide.

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Speaker 2: Does the possessed person know they're possessed?

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Speaker 3: You know, oftentimes they may not know. I have actually

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Speaker 3: witnessed possessions that happened quickly, to the extent to where,

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Speaker 3: you know, my girlfriend being one of them, and three

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Speaker 3: other people where within hours they were taken over. Sometimes

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Speaker 3: it's a progressive thing and they may not know. They

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Speaker 3: may think. That's why the Paranormal Clergy Institute exists because

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Speaker 3: we incorporate the use of paranormal teams to go out

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Speaker 3: and investigate on the behalf of the paranormal clergy. They

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Speaker 3: report back to us what their findings are. I then

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Speaker 3: go over that evidence and decide whether there are signs

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Speaker 3: of demonic activity, or if this is possibly just a

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Speaker 3: human haunting, and oftentimes it really is just a human

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Speaker 2: Have you ever had a clergy you remember, rich that

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Speaker 2: just did want to go back again?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, it's not I wish, I wish they'd

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Speaker 3: understand that. And I've discovered some of these that, and

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Speaker 3: I've dealt with many that choose not to go back

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Speaker 3: or even identify anymore after an actual case that has

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Speaker 3: been deemed demonic. They really never had the calling for this.

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Speaker 3: And if you do have a calling, you stick to

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Speaker 3: this and you draw from your faith and that it's

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Speaker 3: not you, it's God that's working through you to cast

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Speaker 2: How well does prayer holding up the crucifix, invoking the

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Speaker 2: name of God and Jesus does that work?

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Speaker 3: It does, and I strongly urge that it be people

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Speaker 3: and their faith that they have in God. If they

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Speaker 3: don't believe that holding up a crucifix, and I always

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Speaker 3: urge that people that have crucifixes make sure it's blessed

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Speaker 3: by a man or woman of the cloth and make

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Speaker 3: sure that you do have faith that whatever you're doing,

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Speaker 3: whether it's holy water, anointed oil, a crucifix, Rosary and

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Speaker 3: prayers that you are doing, you have faith that God

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Speaker 3: is the one doing the work, not you.

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Speaker 2: Do you think this is a field that people should

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Speaker 2: get into on a whim.

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Speaker 3: Oh oh no, no, no, definitely not. That's as I

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Speaker 3: stated earlier when when my pastor actually approached me with this,

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Speaker 3: he stated, after I said yes, he said, so, now

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Speaker 3: you know this is your calling. This is a calling.

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Speaker 3: This is not something that you wake up when they

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Speaker 3: say I want to be a demonologist, or I want

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Speaker 3: to be a priest or I want to do this,

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Speaker 3: or that you don't do that. This is something that

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Speaker 3: takes time in prayer and you really have to think

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Speaker 3: to yourself, is this my calling or not. I know

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of people out there that love to

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Speaker 3: think that this is like the very popular show Supernatural,

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Speaker 3: where you just go out there demon hunting and you

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Speaker 3: do your thing. But no, this is a calling. This

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Speaker 3: is why I refer to this as a theological calling.

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Speaker 2: Just in the United States orch how many demonologists are there?

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Speaker 3: I would have to I'd say that there would be

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Speaker 3: maybe around there should be around three four thousand. Really

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Speaker 3: have many, Yes, I really do believe so, because the

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Speaker 3: Catholic Church has a lot of demonologists, and not only that,

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Speaker 3: you have to count all the others that you have

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Speaker 3: to count the non denominationals, the Baptist, Presbyterians, Angelic and

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Speaker 3: so on. And they may not be called demonologists, they

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Speaker 3: may have other titles that they've given to them, but

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Speaker 3: they specialize in this.

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Speaker 2: How many people do you think may have demons possessing

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Speaker 2: them right now? Just in the US, There may be many.

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Speaker 3: I've always believed that, and this is where it gets very,

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Speaker 3: very tricky. Mental illness has a lot of the same

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Speaker 3: symptoms of demonic possession, but then again you have disassociative personalities,

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Speaker 3: and that in itself is when it gets really tricky.

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Speaker 3: That's where the testing comes in. But they can hide

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Speaker 3: So I'm not saying that all of the mental health

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Speaker 2: Probably lots of them have been misdiagnosed.

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Speaker 3: Oh definitely, yes.

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Speaker 2: What do you do personally to cleanse yourself?

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Speaker 3: Well, you mean after a case, correct, Yes, So before

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Speaker 3: a case, I actually go through a lot of prayer

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Speaker 3: I literally have to do confession. This is before and

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Speaker 3: after I have to do confession, and I never go

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Speaker 3: praying for me. And what I do is I take

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Speaker 3: a lot of time to meditate, walk clear my thoughts

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Speaker 3: from what just happened and what I experienced. If and

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Speaker 3: when it is an actual authentic demonic case, but like

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Speaker 3: I said, they're very far and few between.

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Speaker 2: You enjoy doing what you're doing, though, don't you.

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Speaker 3: You know, if I was in heaven right now, let's

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Speaker 3: were offering up jobs, I would not take this. But

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Speaker 3: I also know that this is my calling. I've suffered

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Speaker 3: at least I know I'm helping people, and that in itself,

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Speaker 3: to me is the most important thing. I'm helping people

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Speaker 3: that are in need of assistance. They don't know, they're scared,

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Speaker 3: they don't know what's going on. And the best job

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Speaker 3: for me, the best part of the job, I should say,

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Speaker 3: is when I'm able to tell them this is not demonic.

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Speaker 3: Because let me tell you, if I was in their

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Speaker 3: shoes and I was scared that there's possibly a demonic infestation, oppression,

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Speaker 3: possession going on, I'd like to have that demonologist or

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Speaker 3: like a doctor coming in and saying, I got great

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Speaker 2: Too bad, there's not some special spray you use or

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Speaker 2: something like that. Whenever you're going through a situation.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that would so help.

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Speaker 2: What would you call the perfect possession?

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Speaker 3: The perfect possession is a person that has consciously decided

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Speaker 3: that they want to be demonically possessed. They have actually

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Speaker 3: welcomed demonic activity to reside within their body. They're very

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Speaker 3: far in few between, but when you do find them,

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Speaker 3: those are the ones that, unfortunately you cannot help because

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Speaker 3: they have made a conscious choice and decision to not

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Speaker 3: or stay away from from something so dark. That's when

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Speaker 3: it becomes an actual perfect possession. That's why what we

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