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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. We come to

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Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. I'm your host, Claude Harmon. I want

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Speaker 1: to talk to you about something that I saw with

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Speaker 1: a player that I think, I think everybody could could

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Speaker 1: gain a lot from this story. So this is a

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Speaker 1: player plays competitively and sees everything as a draw. Likes

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Speaker 1: to draw the golf ball, likes to draw the golf

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Speaker 1: ball from right to left, and can do that on

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Speaker 1: the driving range. Right. So the driving range is no

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Speaker 1: problem to hit the draw really with all the clubs.

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Speaker 1: A little bit easier with the irons, but even with

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Speaker 1: the driver can hit the draw. And this player sees

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Speaker 1: a draw right when they look. Their eye just sees

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Speaker 1: a draw. But the problem is when they get out

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Speaker 1: on the golf course, they really struggle with hitting the

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Speaker 1: draw and hitting the draw what I like to call responsibly. Yes,

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Speaker 1: this player, I mean, this player has a lot of

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Speaker 1: has some body issues, has a lot of you know,

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Speaker 1: the typical kind of weak glutes, a little bit of

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Speaker 1: early extension, that weight on the down swing kind of

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Speaker 1: goes up to the toes, the pelvis kind of goes forward,

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Speaker 1: the upper body kind of hangs back. And listen when

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Speaker 1: there's no targets that have any real consequence when there's

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Speaker 1: no scorecard, when making a bad swing doesn't really necessarily

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Speaker 1: have a significant outcome. It's easy, right, you can stand

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Speaker 1: on the range and hit the draw all the time.

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Speaker 1: But when we get out onto the golf course, it

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Speaker 1: becomes very, very difficult for this player to hit the draw.

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Speaker 1: They get the two way miss. They either get the

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Speaker 1: big block to the right because they're trying to start

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Speaker 1: everything to the right, or they get that quick hook.

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Speaker 1: A lot of inconsistencies in the quality of the strike,

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Speaker 1: a lot of toe balls, which really, as the clubs

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Speaker 1: get longer, start to massively, massively affect how much the

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Speaker 1: golf ball is spinning. So when tournament golf happens, it

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Speaker 1: becomes a big miss. Right. The miss becomes a tough

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Speaker 1: to control. And I've always said to this player, listen,

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Speaker 1: I think you play your best when you fade the

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Speaker 1: golf ball. But as the coach and as the player,

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Speaker 1: ultimately I've said this before. The player is calling the

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Speaker 1: shots right. The player has to believe in what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: So if a player says, listen, they want to hit draws.

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Speaker 1: And I've had conversations with this player, I said, listen,

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Speaker 1: I think you play your best when you fade it,

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Speaker 1: when the golf ball is working left to right. Based

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Speaker 1: off of some of the things that your body does,

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Speaker 1: we can offset how much early extension, how much thrust

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Speaker 1: you have by the main thing that I think can

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Speaker 1: help that is alignment. I think a lot of players

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Speaker 1: when they're trying to draw the golf ball, they get

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Speaker 1: into that square set up, and then by the time

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Speaker 1: they're done doing their waggles and kind of getting into

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Speaker 1: their their their their set up and their posture, they

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Speaker 1: can be aiming so far to the right, so far

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Speaker 1: off line. That's very difficult to get the golf ball

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Speaker 1: anywhere on the golf course from a miss standpoint. And

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Speaker 1: I've said this a lot, but for everyone listening, golf

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Speaker 1: is a game of misses, right. Golf is a game

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Speaker 1: of how good are your bad shots. So when you're

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Speaker 1: looking at what you can do on the driving range

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Speaker 1: and then you're looking at what you can do on

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Speaker 1: the golf course, if you've got a shape of shot,

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Speaker 1: whether it's a draw, whether it's a fade, it only

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Speaker 1: matters if you can do that shape on the golf course.

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Speaker 1: When you know when the flag is up, when you've

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Speaker 1: got a scorecard in your pocket, and when hitting a

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Speaker 1: golf ball offline makes a significant difference, Right, you want

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Speaker 1: to have a miss pattern that you can control on

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Speaker 1: the golf course. So I think when you're looking at

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Speaker 1: the shape of shot you've got, it's got to be

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Speaker 1: a shot that works when you're playing golf, not just

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Speaker 1: when you're on the driving range. And I think so

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Speaker 1: many golfers get wrapped up into working on something on

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Speaker 1: the driving range, but then when they take that shot

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Speaker 1: to the golf course, it's one that they're not able

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Speaker 1: to hit consistently. So I think when you're looking at

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Speaker 1: whether you're hitting draws or whether you're hitting fades, you've

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Speaker 1: got to identify which one is easier for you to hit,

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Speaker 1: which one is easier for you to hit consistently, not

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Speaker 1: which one aesthetically is pleasing to you, and a shot

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Speaker 1: that you want to hit, because I think sometimes the

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Speaker 1: matchups of what your body can and can't do can

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Speaker 1: massively affect the shape that you're trying to hit. And

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Speaker 1: if you're trying to hit a shape that you your

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Speaker 1: to allow you to hit that shot, You've got to

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Speaker 1: can you control the golf ball on the golf course.

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Speaker 1: That is the most important thing. And so this player

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Speaker 1: he can draw it all day long on the range,

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Speaker 1: but there is a massive difference between what happens on

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Speaker 1: the golf course, once you're picking out targets. So in

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Speaker 1: talking to this player, I said, listen, the last tournament

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Speaker 1: you played in it was a struggle. Right. We know

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Speaker 1: that you were missing a lot of golf balls, kind

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Speaker 1: of a two way miss, right, a miss that you're

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Speaker 1: trying to hit draws. And this happens more so, I

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Speaker 1: think for a lot of players as the clubs get longer,

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Speaker 1: specifically the driver, but if you've got a shot shape

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Speaker 1: that only works with wedges and nine irons and eight irons,

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Speaker 1: and then as the clubs get longer, it becomes very

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Speaker 1: very difficult for you to manage what that shape is doing.

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Speaker 1: That's when I think you've got to say, Okay, what shape,

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Speaker 1: what shot? What can I do under pressure? When I'm

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Speaker 1: on the golf course. And so with the player that

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about, we went out on the golf course

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Speaker 1: and I said, okay, let's let's change the alignment right.

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Speaker 1: Rather than getting aims so far to the right, the

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Speaker 1: tendency is to get very very closed in that setup.

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Speaker 1: I said, listen, why don't we go ahead and open up? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so get what you feel like is more left than

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Speaker 1: lead foot and flare out a little bit. So this

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Speaker 1: then kind of taking that front foot, that left foot,

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Speaker 1: and allow the hips to have a little bit more movement.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of players when they're trying to

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Speaker 1: Their foot line can get really really shut, their shoulders

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Speaker 1: can get really really shut. But if you're someone that

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Speaker 1: body doesn't like. So, if you're someone that has a

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Speaker 1: the weight is going up to the toes, you're kind

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Speaker 1: mainly happening because the hips have gone towards the golf ball.

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Speaker 1: So it's important when you're hitting draws. Yes, I think

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Speaker 1: the right. But I do think that a lot of

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Speaker 1: players when they are trying to hit that draw, they're

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Speaker 1: if you're one of those players, it's really trying to

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Speaker 1: hip mobility, a lot of hip flexibility. And yeah, the

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Speaker 1: easiest way to do this is if you're filming yourself

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Speaker 1: down line, okay, and you've got that camera straight down

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Speaker 1: of your golf swing. And then if you've got the

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Speaker 1: ability to draw on the screen, or you could just

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Speaker 1: it right on your hips at the back of your pockets,

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Speaker 1: right on the back of your right pocket. And so

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure there's lots of programs out there, but

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Speaker 1: their body does that less when they hit fades. So obviously,

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Speaker 1: to have the relationship and the ideas be collaborative, right,

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Speaker 1: you want a collaborative efforts, say okay, listen, tell me

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Speaker 1: with this player to say, listen, we know you play

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Speaker 1: your best when you fade it. And here's the other thing.

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Speaker 1: When this person tends to get a little bit left

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Speaker 1: The golf club works a little bit more in front

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Speaker 1: of them on the backswing, the golf club works a

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Speaker 1: little bit more in front of them on the down swing.

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Speaker 1: taken the setup and instead of being square and then

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Speaker 1: this player tends to want to get shut and close.

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Speaker 1: We're taking a setup that is square and then saying, okay,

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Speaker 1: take that front foot and flare that front foot out.

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Speaker 1: Now why are we taking that front foot and flaring

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Speaker 1: it out. Well, if you're struggling with rotation in your hips,

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Speaker 1: lot of weight going to the toes and the golf swing.

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Speaker 1: So and if you are in a shut position, you're

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Speaker 1: And they're a lot players, and the player that I'm

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