1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: This is Gabe Davis with the Buffalo Bills and this 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: is the NFL Report. 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 2: Welcome into a brand new Tuesday edition of the NFL Report. 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: James Palmer, Steve Whitch with you. We have a slam show. 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: We're gonna get Tory Holt into the Hall of Fame. Steve, 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 2: We're continuing to stump to get the wide receiver from 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: the greatest show on Turf into the Hall of Fame. 8 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: He's gonna join us today on the NFL Report. Mark 9 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 2: Ross is gonna break down what's going on at the 10 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: top of the draft. What should the Bears do a 11 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: front office perspective, pull back the curtain there. 12 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 3: Omar Rowiez was at that Cardinals and Eagles game. 13 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: He's gonna tell us about what's going on in that 14 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles locker room. Also, the NFL Reports insider Mike 15 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: Garriffolo gonna join us about maybe some possible head coach 16 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 2: openings that are on the horizon. But Steve, let's start 17 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: with the playoff picture. It's starting to come in through 18 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: two fruition here. Look at what we have. Starting with 19 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: the NFC, we have a couple of divisions still up 20 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: for grabs. Have been clinched yet, but we do know 21 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: the number one spot that's not moving. We know the 22 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: Cowboys can clinch the NFC East. The Lions could be 23 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 2: the two or the three. The Eagles could be the 24 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 2: five or the two. There's some still some shuffling that 25 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: could happen within the NFC. 26 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 4: Steve, Yeah, absolutely, JP, And like you said, there's only 27 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 4: two spots available, but we're still unknown who's gonna win 28 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 4: the NFC South and who's gonna win the NFC East 29 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 4: and JP a little bit later, we're also gonna have 30 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 4: Jeff Shadia on with his first Read column, and we're 31 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 4: gonna have that conversation as well. But since it's twenty 32 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 4: twenty four and it's New Year's Resolutions, let's see if 33 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 4: some of those teams who are coming after the number 34 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 4: one seeded forty nine ers can make a resolution to 35 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 4: possibly beat them. James, let's think for them. Do you 36 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 4: have any team of the NFC who might be able 37 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 4: to get past the Niners who have the Super Bowl 38 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 4: or the NFC's rots of the Super Bowl coming through 39 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 4: Santa Clara. 40 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with the Detroit Lions, and it's for 41 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: two major reasons. One Steve, they had that game one 42 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: in Dallas where Dallas plays so well. A side of 43 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: the fact of the way things ended with the officiating, 44 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 2: but I do think with the way that happened and 45 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: the type of coach that Dan Campbell is, he might 46 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 2: use this as motivation propelling them into the playoffs and. 47 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: How they move forward. 48 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 2: He did it last year when they started one and six, 49 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: then they go eight and two. 50 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: What do they do? 51 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: They use that end of the season to propel them 52 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: into this year. They haven't lost back to back games 53 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: this season. That's one thing I've always noticed with this 54 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: group is when they have adversity, they get blown out 55 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: by the Ravens. What ends up happening they win the 56 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: next three. The other part of it, Steve, is that 57 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 2: I do feel like with all the weapons they have, 58 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: Sam Laporta playing dominant tight end as a rookie, you 59 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 2: have Amar Saint Brown that's dominating over thirteen hundred yards 60 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: as a wide receiver, two backs over a thousand scrimmage yards. 61 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: You have the ability to score points, score them quickly, 62 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: score them early, and if you can make the forty 63 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 2: nine ers play from behind, perhaps that's where the Lions 64 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 2: could find some success if they can get out early, 65 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: if this matchup ends up happening. And the other last 66 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: part of it is Steve. They have a very underrated 67 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: offensive line, which you need to play good offensive line 68 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: football against this forty nine ers defensive front. They're good 69 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 2: in the trenches, they're physical. Maybe this would be the 70 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 2: team I would pick, but man. 71 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 3: San Francisco looks good right now. Bouncing back. 72 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be hard for anybody to get through 73 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 4: the forty nine ers, as deep as they are. They're 74 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 4: gonna have some time to rest and heal up because 75 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:22,399 Speaker 4: they've got that buy. 76 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 5: Probably aren't gonna play. They're players Week eighteen. But you 77 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 5: know what, I'm gonna talk about the La Rams having 78 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 5: the best shot. 79 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 4: And it sounds crazy because the Niners have basically bought 80 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 4: a block of property on the La Rams heads and 81 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 4: beaten them eight out of the last nine times, but 82 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 4: jp the majority of those wins have been one possession games. 83 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 4: These teams know each other well, so I think that 84 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 4: familiarity gives the Rams. If there is an advantage to 85 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 4: have from other these challengers in the NFC, it's that familiarity, right, 86 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 4: And because they know each other so well, the coaches, 87 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 4: a lot of the players, and the fact that you 88 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 4: mentioned with Detroit. The Rams have the offensive weapons, especially 89 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 4: a wide receiver and now Kyrin Williams in the running 90 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 4: game to get out to a lead and to make. 91 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 5: The forty nine ers play from behind. 92 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 4: Now, one thing about the Rams also, their defense isn't 93 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 4: bend but don't break defense. 94 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 5: They find ways to come up with timely stops. 95 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 4: Which will be very important against the forty nine ers. Now, 96 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 4: I'm not picking Dallas either, one of us did. Dallas's 97 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 4: ability to stop the run. I think it will be 98 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 4: a huge issue playing a team like the forty nine ers. 99 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 4: We saw how the Niners boat raced him earlier this season. 100 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 5: So I'm going to. 101 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 4: Stay within the division and if they meet for a 102 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 4: third time, that will be the case. All right, Now, 103 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 4: let's flip it over to the AFC. Let's look at 104 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 4: the playoff picture there where the Bulkimore Ravens have secured 105 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 4: with authority the number one seed, but you see Miami 106 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 4: at number two. Miami's a number two, but right now 107 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 4: they could lose that. They could flip with the Buffalo Bills. 108 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 4: They've got a huge Sunday night head to head clash 109 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 4: where you see a team like the Cleveland Browns. 110 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 5: They've secured a spot. The Chiefs have secure here at 111 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 5: the spot this weekend. 112 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 4: But there are three open playoff positions in the AFC. 113 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 4: So JP, let's go back to these Baltimore Ravens. They're 114 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 4: the top seed. Let's go back to this New Year's resolution. 115 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 4: Is there any team the AFC that can be a 116 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 4: team like the Ravens, which is absolutely destroying anyone they 117 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 4: encounter lately. 118 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: This might sound crazy, Steve, but I'm picking a team 119 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: that's not even certain to be in the postseason. They 120 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 2: could wind up the two, they could wind up in 121 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: the back end of the postseason, they could be out. 122 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 2: That's the Buffalo Bills. And I think it's solely because 123 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: of Josh Allen. I think Lamar Jackson is probably the 124 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: front runner for the MVP. You know who might finish 125 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: as the runner up when everything is said and done, 126 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 2: It might be Josh Allen. 127 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 3: And I think if you look through. 128 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: All of the postseason, you look at all of those teams, 129 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 2: ask every defensive coordinator what's a quarterback you don't want 130 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 2: to face. I would say Josh Allen's probably pretty high 131 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 2: on a lot of these defensive coordinators lists, and I 132 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: think the reason why they have a shot to do 133 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: this if they end up matching up with one another, 134 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 2: is because of Josh All's ability to make defenses play 135 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 2: the second play. We talk about that so much with 136 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes. You talk about it with Josh Allen that 137 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: the first play is what's on schedule, the second play, 138 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 2: which is what's off schedule when a defense has to 139 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 2: play longer. 140 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: That's what Josh Allen does. 141 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: And I want to see more twelve personnel out of 142 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 2: this team, Steve. I want to see Dalton and Kid. 143 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: I want to see Dawson Knox on the field. At 144 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 2: the same time. I want to see them put teams 145 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 2: in binds. But I also see them run the football 146 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: so well. We saw them run the football and lean 147 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 2: on it this past week in the second half. What 148 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 2: does that do that keeps Samar Jackson off the field. 149 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 2: I think they're balanced. I think this defense right now, 150 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 2: as we talk about a team that nobody wants to play, 151 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 2: we keep saying that's the Bills. I think the defense 152 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: is actually a big part of that as well. With 153 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 2: the way they're playing up front and on the back end, 154 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to say the Bills are probably the team 155 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: built to go and maybe take down the Ravens, who 156 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: I just don't know like saying that sentence, Steve, because 157 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 2: the Ravens are so good right now. 158 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I look, no one's gonna have any issue with 159 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 4: you're saying the Buffalo Bills because they've got the experience 160 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 4: and they've got the players to possibly make against the Ravens. 161 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 4: You know, it's a shame. A couple of weeks ago, 162 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 4: he probably would have said the Dolphins. But the fact 163 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 4: that both of their edge rushers now with Bradley Chubb 164 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 4: down for the season Jalen Phillips out, that really hampers 165 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 4: them against a team like the Ravens. 166 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 5: Here's one for you. 167 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 4: You know, the last time the Ravens lost what he 168 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 4: got it was November twelfth, you know who They lost 169 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 4: to the Cleveland Browns, and that was before Jojoe Black. 170 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 4: The Cleveland Browns can be the team that could upset 171 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 4: the Baltimore Ravens. As crazy as it sounds, but again, 172 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 4: I'm going back to familiarity. They know this would be 173 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 4: the third time both teams will have played each other. 174 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 4: Should they face off in the playoffs, so it works 175 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 4: for both sides. But that defense that Cleveland continues to 176 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 4: put together, they actually have players that can spy Lamar 177 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 4: Jackson and still do their jobs, like linebacker Jeremiah Wuso Coramora. 178 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 5: J Okay as he's doing, he could play that spiral right. 179 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 4: So this is this to me, is an intriguing matchup 180 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 4: and with Joe Flacco has been able to do to 181 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 4: open up that passing game, to let the Browns and 182 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 4: that pretty good offensive line do what they do in 183 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 4: a quick passing game, moving pocket passing game, to do 184 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 4: some things that way. I just look at all of 185 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 4: these other teams and outside of the Bills, and I'm 186 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 4: with you on the Bills, I think Cleveland probably has 187 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 4: the best shot. Those injuries are a problem. Go ahead, 188 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 4: and I can't believe I'm not saying Kansas City either. 189 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no. 190 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: I love that you're saying this really quick. 191 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 2: I just want to say, remember twenty nineteen, the last 192 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: time the Ravens had a buy in the postseason and 193 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 2: Lamar won the MVP, they were knocked out in the 194 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 2: first round. They were knocked out in the divisional round 195 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 2: by the Tennessee Titans. What if Joe Flacco goes in 196 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 2: former Baltimore Fish and Laura is the MVP and a 197 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: first round by and Joe Flacco knocks him out. 198 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 1: Steve to juicy, it's too juicy. It has to happen. 199 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: It has to happen. 200 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 5: Well, look, you know what else is juicy. 201 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 4: Neither one of us said the Eagles will be threatening No. 202 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 4: Forty nine ers in the NFC. Coming up next, we 203 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 4: are going to look at the dysfunction of the operation 204 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 4: on both sides of the balls. Mike Ghiriflo and Omar 205 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 4: Ruiz joined the NFL Report and it's also podcast. People 206 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 4: make sure to listen. All right, welcome back to the 207 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 4: NFL Report. I'm Steve White's my guy, James Palmer JP. 208 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 4: We are now joined by NFL Network insider, Mike Gharrafolo, 209 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 4: Mike G. Happy four, that's right, and the insiders NFL 210 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 4: Reports insider, but Mike G twenty twenty four. 211 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 5: We always know, as happy as people are to get 212 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 5: to the new. 213 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 4: Year, there's a handful of coaches who will no longer 214 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 4: be head coaches not long after each New year. But well, 215 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 4: let let's get to this because We're less than a 216 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 4: week away from probably a lot of decisions being made. 217 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 4: Some might already be made, but it's not made public. 218 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 4: From folks I'm speaking to, they're not thinking that there's 219 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 4: gonna be ten coach firings like a lot of folks 220 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 4: were assuming a month to go. 221 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, we're probably south of that. But we'll have a 222 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 6: nice solid chunk to work with Steve. 223 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:07,599 Speaker 1: We always do. 224 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 6: It's very rare if you're you know, under five. I 225 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 6: don't think we'll be there. We're in the We're in 226 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 6: the five to six, seven, eight range potentially, and we're 227 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 6: looking at a couple of really cornerstone guys. And I 228 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 6: thought a couple of weeks ago Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick, 229 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 6: we may be come to the end of both of 230 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 6: those tenures. Not so sure on either one of them 231 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 6: right now. And I'll start with Belichick. Yeah, I'll start 232 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 6: with Belichick. You know, there's still going to be a 233 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 6: conversation between him and Robert Kraft about the direction of 234 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 6: the franchise. I know that my senses, Craft would not 235 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 6: would prefer to not fire him right like, would prefer 236 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 6: for him to continue to be the coach of the Patriots. 237 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 6: And get the record for most coaches or for most 238 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 6: wins for a coach as a New England Patriots coach. 239 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 6: I got the sense from someone who seemed to have 240 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 6: a little bit of a beat on this. And look, 241 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 6: nobody really knows except Robert Jonathan Craft and maybe a 242 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 6: few select few others within the Patriots organization. But I 243 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 6: got the sense from someone who has sort of a 244 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 6: beat on this that Belichick could potentially present to Craft 245 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 6: here's my plan moving forward. Does he take a step 246 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 6: back from personnel, allow someone else to handle that part 247 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 6: of his job since that's been a big part of 248 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 6: it for twenty years, and could he potentially stick around 249 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 6: maybe stay tuned. 250 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 4: And then ask Mike though, real quick though, Michael, if 251 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 4: you're talking about that scenario, you're talking about two seasons 252 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 4: for Belichick to get that record. I mean for him 253 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 4: to knock out in one season would seem highly improbable. 254 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, potentially, But you know, out there in a position 255 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 6: draft wise to get themselves a quarterback and all of 256 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 6: a sudden, doesn't that change things? Like if you get 257 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 6: the it's the offensive side of the ball, Steve, that's 258 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 6: what it is. I mean, they're still playing good defense, 259 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 6: they're still playing smart, they're still playing hard. 260 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 5: It's not a question of those things. 261 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 6: And speaking of playing hard, those players are going to 262 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 6: take the field on Sunday in Foxborough against the Jets, 263 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 6: not knowing if that's going to Belichick's last game. I 264 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 6: would be utterly floored if the Patriots lose this game, Like, 265 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 6: how could you send him out. 266 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 5: Potentially with a loss to the get right? 267 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 6: So I know that game really doesn't matter for playoff standings, 268 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 6: but it'll matter for some folks who are into some 269 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 6: other things. 270 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: You know, just let you know that. You may want 271 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: to look at the Patriots. 272 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 6: In that one, but you know, yeah, I it's it's 273 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 6: if you get yourself a quarterback and you whether it's 274 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 6: Bill O'Brien or somebody else, as they proven offensive coordinator, 275 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 6: suddenly things can look a little bit different. But I 276 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 6: do think he needs some help on the personnel end, 277 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 6: and Dave Ziggler's free these days. He was in New 278 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 6: England previously. Yeah, there are a couple other options. You 279 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 6: can bring some guys in. 280 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: You mentioned the veteran coaches, Mike, you mentioned kind of 281 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 2: you know, Bill Belichick, you mentioned Pete Carroll. They've been 282 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 2: there for a long time. The third one, there was 283 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: some rumblings, but you didn't mention him there. 284 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 3: And Mike Tomlin, I just want to throw this scenario 285 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 3: out there and tell me what's what. 286 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 2: If one of these teams that is just desperate for 287 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: his services calls up the Steelers and says, we want 288 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 2: to trade for Mike Tomlin. We want to offer him 289 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 2: blank the Steelers have to tell him right like, where 290 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 2: do things stand in Pittsburgh right now with Mike Tomlin, 291 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 2: Because this is the first time we're starting to hear 292 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 2: little rumblings about is it time? Would he ever be 293 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: interested in leaving himself? 294 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 3: Though? I don't believe so. 295 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 6: I think he certainly loves his job, and he certainly 296 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 6: loves the organization, and he knows what it's like to 297 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 6: be the head coach of a cornerstone franchise in the NFL. 298 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 6: I haven't gotten any inkling that he's looking to move on. 299 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: Now. 300 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 6: He's gonna have to conduct a offensive coordinator search this 301 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 6: off season. He's had Mike Sullivan in the role, and 302 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 6: Sullivan and the offensive looked a lot better the last 303 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 6: couple of weeks with Mason Rudolph, So I'm sure he'll 304 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 6: at least get consideration for the job right now, So 305 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 6: potentially you could see a little bit of a different 306 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 6: look offensively for the Steelers in twenty twenty four. 307 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 3: But you know, and I know the argument here right. 308 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 6: Like, you could have nine to ten wins guaranteed every 309 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 6: single year, but you're in it to win the Super Bowl, 310 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 6: right and the Steelers just haven't knocked on that door recently. Yeah, 311 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 6: I know a lot of other franchises would say, hey, 312 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 6: we'd love to have the sustained success the Steelers have 313 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 6: had him. Be in the postseason, be in the tournament 314 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 6: like they like to call it, every single year, because 315 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 6: that gives you a chance. I don't think we're looking 316 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 6: at the Steelers team this year and say, well, if 317 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 6: they get in with one more victory here, oh that's 318 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 6: a team you don't want to see. We're not fashioning 319 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 6: a run here for the Steelers in the postseason, so 320 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 6: they're not going. 321 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: To get to that point. 322 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 6: And so now you're going to have that conversation of 323 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 6: are we just continuing to be middling with Mike Tomlin. 324 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 6: I do get the sense the Steelers are going to 325 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 6: stand pat with Tomlin as their head coach in twenty 326 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 6: four barring some kind of unpreseen change here. 327 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 4: All right, we're going a little tight on time, but 328 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 4: the NFC South could dictate some head coaching futures. 329 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 5: What happens is week eighteen. 330 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 4: You've got Arthur Smith with the Falcons, Todd Bowles with 331 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 4: the Buccaneers, and Dennis Allen with the Saints. 332 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 5: What does it seem like with those three because they 333 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 5: all three could be kept? 334 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 3: Are they all three? 335 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 5: Or at least two or the three might be gone. 336 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 6: I believe Arthur Smith is on the shakiest of grounds. 337 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 6: Arthur Blank the owner, did indicate that you know, he's 338 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 6: leaning or he was leaning toward keeping him, but that 339 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 6: was a couple of weeks ago. I wanted to see 340 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 6: how things play out. If they don't play well against 341 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 6: New Orleans Saints, it does feel like it could be 342 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 6: time for Arthur Smith, who made a big bet on 343 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 6: Desmond Ritter that did not pay off this season. 344 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 3: Right now. 345 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 6: As for Todd Bowles and Dave Canalis, the offensive coordinator, 346 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 6: I think they've already Hey should already be in the 347 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 6: barn there. I mean, this was a team that knew 348 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 6: they were going to pair this thing down this season. 349 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 6: We're not going to spend We're gonna get their books 350 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 6: back in order. And for this team to be on 351 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 6: the verge of you know, just beat the Panthers. Beat 352 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 6: the Panthers, you're in the postseason. That should shut the door. 353 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 6: Not only number one, not only will that shut the 354 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 6: door on potentially to the Buccaneers moving on from Todd Bowles, 355 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 6: but number two, it makes Dave Canalis a sneaky I 356 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 6: say sneaky head coaching candidate. And I say sneaky because 357 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 6: I don't think he gets himself a job this season, 358 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 6: but he gets himself some interviews and don't. 359 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, and he fulfills a Rooney rule. 360 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 6: Requirement because he is a minority interview, which is. 361 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: Not why he's gonna get interview. 362 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 6: He's gonna get interview because he's an exciting, energetic young 363 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 6: coach who had some good offensive schemes that he brought 364 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 6: down there and some good offensive coaching down there. So 365 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 6: he will get some interviews down there. And as for 366 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 6: Dennis Allen, all indications are they're going to continue with 367 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 6: him as the head coach. I'd like to see what 368 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 6: they're going to do to reset down there, because they're 369 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 6: going to have to make some hard decisions from a 370 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 6: personnel standpoint, But it seems like they're clicking. 371 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: At the right time. 372 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 3: It may be too late, but they are clicking at 373 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 3: the right time. 374 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, nuts, Mike is going to be absolutely slammed for 375 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 2: the next week. 376 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 3: Guys. 377 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 2: Just to let you know, Steve, Mike will if you 378 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 2: want to contact him, do it now because he's going 379 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: to be busy leading up till Monday. 380 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: Mike, you do well. 381 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 5: Appreciate you, bro. 382 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: You got it, guys, Thank you. All right, check out 383 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: this Steve. Eagles made a change as their defensive coordinator. 384 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: Oh boy, they go from Sean Decai to Matt Patricia. 385 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 2: Things haven't been great since the switch and Matt Patricia 386 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 2: running this defense. 387 00:16:58,640 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: We look at where they're at right now. 388 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 2: They haven't gotten turke aways really all season long, but 389 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 2: still haven't really been able to do it. Omar Ruiz, 390 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 2: Steve was at this game with the Arizona Cardinals coming 391 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 2: into the link with their head coach Jonathan Gannon, former 392 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 2: defensive coordinator for the Philadelphia Eagles, and they go and 393 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 2: just run up and down the field at the link. Omar, 394 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 2: there is not going to be another change. We know 395 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 2: that it's going to be Matt Patricia moving forward. They're 396 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: not going back to Sean Deci. But what is wrong 397 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 2: with this Eagles defense? And is it essentially something that 398 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 2: can't be fixed? What did you gather in Philadelphia? 399 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 3: Yeah? 400 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 7: What I gather is they don't know. I mean, there 401 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 7: are no specific answers to those questions. And they've been 402 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 7: asking him for several weeks now. 403 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 4: Oh. 404 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 7: I asked Jalen Hurts the other day after the game 405 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 7: on Sunday, why they haven't been closing the last couple losses. 406 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 7: Obviously they had the last second touchdown by Drew Lock 407 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 7: and the Seattle Seahawks on Monday Night Football to lose 408 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 7: that game, and then obviously this one, Kyler Murray and 409 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 7: James Connor the game winning touchdown in the final minute 410 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 7: to lose that. And all Hurts could offer was they 411 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 7: just got to use that as learning lessons, stick together, 412 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,959 Speaker 7: have that sense of urgency to get better. Now, Brandon 413 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 7: Graham did have some specifics, and he pointed to the 414 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 7: injuries on the team. Avante Maddox came back after missing 415 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 7: some time. He had that mistackle against Greg Dorts that 416 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 7: allowed Doors to get inside the ten and led to 417 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,479 Speaker 7: the game winning touchdown, and he said, next time Maddox 418 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 7: is in that position in the playoffs, he's going to 419 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 7: make that play. They had Nick Morrow, their linebacker. He 420 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 7: just came back. Zach Cunningham ought to be back soon. 421 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 7: Another linebacker, Darius Slay, one of the best corners in football. 422 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: He should be back soon. 423 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 7: So when they get healthy, that ought to make a 424 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 7: difference on defense. But Nick Siriani was asked yesterday is 425 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 7: how the weight of the season is getting on these 426 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 7: Eagles and he said, well, that's just expectations. They know 427 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 7: what this operation looks like. Remember last year. Obviously they 428 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 7: were just a few minutes away from winning. 429 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 3: The Super Bowl. 430 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 7: There's that dors play I was telling you about. And 431 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 7: because they got so close, they are so hungry. They 432 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 7: are putting pressure on themselves, more pressure than any outside 433 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 7: of the locker room can provide. So they're looking to 434 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 7: get it fixed. And I will provide some history here 435 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 7: all this. You know Joe Flacco talk, he's been in 436 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 7: the news. It reminds me of that twenty twelve season 437 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 7: with the Ravens. This is an Eagles team that's still 438 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 7: loaded with talent. But if you remember that Ravens team 439 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 7: in twenty twelve. They lost four out of five heading 440 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 7: into the postseason, and then Joe Flacco and the rest 441 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 7: of them got hot and they went wild. They won 442 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 7: the Super Bowl. So the Eagles still believe that the 443 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 7: answers are in their locker room. They just don't know 444 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 7: what they are right now. But history does show that 445 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,719 Speaker 7: a team that's talented can put it together and make 446 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 7: a run here in the postseason. They think they can. 447 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 5: That's a real good comparison. 448 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 4: One huge difference I would say is there were no 449 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 4: questions about that coaching staff in Baltimore. 450 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 5: That staff was. 451 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 4: Absolutely loaded and stacked on both sides of the ball. 452 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 7: Well, Omar, go ahead, but you remember, Steve, they made 453 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 7: it hold on. They made a change at offensive coordinator. 454 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 7: Remember they fired Cam Cameron, they brought Jim Calswell. There 455 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 7: were questions there, and they figured it out. 456 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 4: Absolutely, and they figured out with the right guy and 457 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 4: Jim Caldwell. So you know, and that's what I'm saying 458 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 4: so exactly. You know, they pulled the trigger at the 459 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 4: right time and it worked. Look, getting back to the 460 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 4: Super Bowl is always tough. We're seeing some of the 461 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 4: struggles that every team has getting back Kansas City some 462 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 4: of the struggles they're going case Lomar, I want to 463 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 4: flip over to Arizona because they did score four times 464 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 4: there in the second half to come back and upset. 465 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 4: And from what we have seen, this is not a 466 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 4: good team. They're gonna be picking at the top end 467 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 4: of the draft. But quarterback Kyler Murray, since he has 468 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 4: come back from that knee injury, Omar, this has looked 469 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 4: like a different offense. 470 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 3: Right. 471 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 4: Are the Arizona Cardinals you live in Arizona around this team. 472 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 4: Are they sold that Kyler is going to be their 473 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 4: guy moving forward? 474 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 3: Yeah? 475 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 7: From every conversation I've had, Kyler Murray certainly is their 476 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 7: franchise quarterback. And I think bigger picture, this ought to 477 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 7: be one of those performances that Kyler Murray puts to 478 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 7: rest that narrative that he doesn't prepare, that he's not 479 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 7: putting in the work behind the scenes and studying tape. 480 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 7: Because I spoke with offensive coordinator Drew Petsing yesterday and 481 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 7: that's all Kyler Murray could do last week was prepare 482 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 7: watch film at ten meetings. 483 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 3: He was sick all week long. 484 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 7: He only practiced in a limited role on Friday, but 485 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 7: he was in every meeting, even on Zoom when he 486 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 7: wasn't in the building on Wednesday and Thursday, and that 487 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 7: allowed him to play the way he did that twenty 488 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 7: five of thirty one, two hundred thirty two yards, three touchdowns, 489 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 7: and to come back from that pick six. Remember he 490 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 7: had that pick six, Sydney Brown took it back ninety 491 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 7: nine yards and they didn't. 492 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: Buckle after that. 493 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 7: He stayed put and he had the wow plays, the 494 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 7: James Connor touchdown pass, one of those thrilling Kyler Murray plays, 495 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 7: and Petsing says, those are always going to be there. 496 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 7: What he was most impressed by Kyler Murray was doing 497 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 7: the easy plays, making an incompletion instead of taking a sack, 498 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 7: staying in rhythm, finding the easy outlets. 499 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: Those are the. 500 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 7: Things that are sustainable for this offense. Those are the 501 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 7: things they can build around and the big picture within 502 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 7: the team. Remember, we talked to Jonathan Gannon in training 503 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 7: camp and he talked about being process driven. Ultimately knows 504 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 7: he's judged by the results that they have, but they're 505 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 7: focused on the process and when they get a big 506 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 7: win in Philadelphia, the way they got a big win 507 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 7: in Pittsburgh a couple of weeks ago, the way they 508 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 7: beat the loaded Dallas Cowboys earlier in the season. Those 509 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 7: are all wins that validate the process that they're going 510 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 7: through instilling that program. And when you look at the Cardinals, 511 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 7: they have a NFL high eleven rookies that have started 512 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 7: for them this year, So consistency is always an issue 513 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 7: when he played that many young players, but obviously they're 514 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 7: building that foundation. These wins can go a long way 515 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 7: to what could be a turnaround season in twenty twenty four. 516 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 2: Arno marser in under thirty seconds, tell me what do 517 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 2: they do with pick number four? Are they protecting Kyler Murray? 518 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 2: Giving him a weapon, trading back? What's going to happen? 519 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 7: I say they give him a weapon obviously. You know, 520 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 7: once DeAndre Hopkins left this past season, you know, things 521 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 7: haven't been the same. Hollywood Brown's been in and out 522 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 7: of the line up. But I think the way Trey 523 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 7: McBride has come on at tight end, the way James 524 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 7: Connor and I about Michael Carter there as the one 525 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 7: two punch on Sunday to provide some you know, weapons 526 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 7: on the ground. That was another thing Petstein said that 527 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 7: the attitude that they've had developing the offense, they want 528 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 7: to be bullies. The way they've been able to run 529 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 7: the football all year long really has been something for them. 530 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 7: So they can continue to develop that attitude on the ground. 531 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 7: You give Kyler Murray some weapons to surround him, this 532 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 7: could be one of those dark horse type of teams 533 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 7: in twenty twenty four that back in a big. 534 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 5: Way is called the dark horse shot. 535 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 8: Okay, well, all right, all right, hey, it's already twenty four. 536 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 7: It's never too early to start talking about this twenty 537 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:47,959 Speaker 7: twenty four season. 538 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 2: There we go, Marvin Harrison Junior transforms the entire Cardinals 539 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 2: organization into a. 540 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: Dark horse contender. 541 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 2: Omar appreciated, buddy, all right, come, we got Mark Ross. 542 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 2: He is gonna tell us what happens in front of 543 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 2: that fourth overall pick? How about the number one overall pick? 544 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 2: What do the Bears do? Is justin Field's part of 545 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: the plans moving forwards. We'll see more on the NFL Report. 546 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 4: You're listening to the NFL Report podcast, but you can 547 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 4: watch me Steve Weich and my co host James Palmer 548 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 4: on the NFL Report at seven fifteen Eastern time on 549 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 4: Mondays and Thursdays on the NFL app and free streaming 550 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 4: platforms on the NFL channel on Roku, two b Peacock, 551 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 4: Pluto TV, and other. 552 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: Free streaming apps. 553 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the NFL Report. Remember, if you're not 554 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 2: watching us, make sure you're listening to us. You can 555 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 2: take us on the go. Steve and I are everywhere, 556 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 2: and right now we have Mark Ross joining the show. Mark, 557 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 2: you know everything that goes on behind the scenes within 558 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 2: the front office side of things in the NFL. When 559 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 2: you're at Soldier Field on Sunday and you're hearing the 560 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 2: fans chanting, we want Justin, we want Justin. Oh boy, dude, 561 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 2: does Ryan Poles have a decision to make because he 562 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 2: has been locked into the number one overall pick. What 563 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 2: goes on right now in Chicago as they're weighing every 564 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 2: really option they have, which also includes seeing who wants 565 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 2: to come up possibly for that number one pick. 566 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 8: Well, first of all, I'm sure he heard it, but 567 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 8: you gotta do this. You can't listen to the fans, fellows. 568 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 8: When I the last, the first time I was in 569 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 8: this position way back in nineteen ninety nine with the 570 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 8: Philadelphia Eagles when we had the second pick and the 571 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 8: fans were chaying, we want Ricky, we want Ricky Williams 572 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 8: all the way up till draft night booth my man 573 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 8: Donovan mcname as we drafted him. 574 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: Oh we got booed who blocked out a god noise 575 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: leading up to that draft. 576 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 8: Of course they were going to come burn out Veterans 577 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 8: Stadium if we didn't take Ricky and all that. 578 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: No one's ever apologized for that. 579 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 8: But anyway, Ryan Poles as to boone out the fans. 580 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: But listen to his team. 581 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 8: If his team and those players believe in Justin Fields, 582 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 8: that definitely has to be take consideration. But it's really 583 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 8: all about how the coaching staff and the scouting staff 584 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 8: feel about Justin Fields and what they've seen from him 585 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 8: this year and also what they think he can still contribute. 586 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 8: But also comparing Justin Fields with that number one pick 587 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 8: to who's coming out. It's so easy always just say, yep, 588 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 8: there's these quarterbacks, let's take one. Well, the scouting and 589 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 8: coaching staff may not think any of these guys are 590 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,479 Speaker 8: better than Justin Fields, so you have to compare him 591 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 8: to Caleb Williams. You have to compare him to Drake 592 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 8: May each individual quarterback that's coming out and say, Okay, 593 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 8: it's Justin better than these guys, and then make the 594 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 8: decision from there, or hey, if we move down and 595 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 8: get Marvin Harrison junior, does that make Justin Fields better? 596 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 8: So there's tons of options that they have there, whether 597 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 8: to stick with him or to take one of those 598 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 8: guys if they him, or move down enough to still 599 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 8: get the quarterback that they love or want pair him 600 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 8: with Justin Fields, or hey, trade Justin Fields get more 601 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 8: draft capital because we've already got this this draft capital 602 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 8: now and that second round pick that's essentially a first 603 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 8: round pick too, So so many options at Ryan Poles's disposed. 604 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: I love to be in his position. I know people 605 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: are like, I wouldn't want to be Ryan Poles. 606 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 8: I'd love to have that situation and all those options 607 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 8: and working with your staff and coaching staff and scouting 608 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 8: staff piecing that stuff together. 609 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 5: Mark, you say you love to be in his position. 610 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 4: But the one thing that it seems like he's going 611 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 4: to be back in that ebra fluse. But whether they're 612 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 4: back also determines what's going on. But you talked about, oh, 613 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 4: they could trade back and do this. Let's look at 614 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 4: some of the draft order and look at some of 615 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 4: the teams that need quarterbacks, and then from your experience 616 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 4: in the front office, tell us how you decide on 617 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 4: which team you would like to go and how far 618 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 4: back in the draft maybe you'd like to go. 619 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: So let's start. 620 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 4: Number two is the command There's number three the Patriots. 621 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 4: Number four of the Cardinals, we don't think they need 622 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 4: a quarterback. Number five the Giants, very interesting. The six, 623 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 4: the Chargers, no quarterback. Seven Titans, they've got their quarterback. 624 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 4: Eight Jets, they have their quarterback. 625 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 5: Maybe for another year. Nine is the Bears. 626 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: Again. 627 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 4: Then here's where it gets interesting. Ten is the Falcons. 628 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 4: Eleven is the Raiders. Twelve is the Vikings, which is 629 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 4: super interesting. So mark how far back when you look 630 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 4: at your team, you say, okay, we can only go 631 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 4: back to maybe in that sixty seven range, or we 632 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 4: can go all the way back to ten with the 633 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 4: Falcons because they can give us a mountain of bounty. 634 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 5: Or we can add other draft picks to help support 635 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 5: justin fields. 636 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 8: Yeah, at any time throughout the draft, but particularly at 637 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 8: the top here when you go through your draft meetings 638 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 8: and you see your draft positioning. You want to trade back, 639 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 8: but trade back so you still get a player you 640 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 8: want and a player you love. You don't want to 641 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 8: trade out, and you're sitting there at ten. You're like, well, 642 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 8: who do we take now? We got a way back 643 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 8: to ten, We got these draft picks, but we don't 644 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 8: love anybody that's here. So number one, you're looking at 645 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 8: the compensation package wherever that falls to say yep, we 646 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 8: love this now, or a first round pick for next 647 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 8: year that could be in the mix as well, or 648 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 8: players and picks. So you're looking at the compensation, comparing 649 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 8: that and saying, okay, what do we like the best, 650 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 8: But then also to get to a certain point on 651 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 8: your board where you have a group of players and 652 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 8: you say, okay, we've got these three guys. We don't 653 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 8: want to miss out on one of these guys. We 654 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 8: want to get one of them, so we don't want 655 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 8: to be at number eight and then and sitting there with. 656 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: A player we don't like. 657 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 8: You want to still trade get a compensation package you 658 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,959 Speaker 8: really love, but still be in a position that you 659 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 8: can get a player that you really want to have. 660 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 8: You don't want to be put the name in and 661 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 8: you got everybody looking in your room like, man, we 662 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 8: don't want this guy. You still want to be in 663 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 8: a position where everyone's saying, yep, we've still got our guy, 664 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 8: but we got an excellent package of value for where 665 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 8: we traded from at number one. 666 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 2: I'm fascinated by it because also with Mark, the way 667 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 2: that we're hearing Justin Fields has the locker room. How 668 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 2: much you said you don't look at fans, But how 669 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 2: much does that weigh into a front office when they 670 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 2: know that the other fifty two guys in that locker 671 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 2: room want Justin Fields to stay. How much does that 672 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 2: way into your evaluation of making this difficult, difficult decision. 673 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 3: But you want the decision, you said, Yo, no. 674 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: Doubt, no doubt. 675 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 8: That's what that's what's made of. You know, nobody No 676 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 8: easy stuff is easy layups or easy who's gonna beat 677 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 8: people off the dribble? Hit these threes with someone in 678 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 8: your face? That's what you want as a GM relish 679 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 8: that position to be in. And yes, you definitely have 680 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 8: to take into account how your team feels about a 681 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 8: quarterback and the belief. The belief is a huge thing 682 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 8: with the Giants. With Eli Manning, I said, that was 683 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 8: the biggest strength he had is that the team believed 684 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 8: in Eli. 685 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: You know, the pre interception of whatever. They believe Eli's 686 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: gonna get it done. So that's a huge step. 687 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 8: But Justin still has to show enough and he's shown flashes, 688 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 8: there still has to be that play. 689 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: Okay, I know the team loves this guy, but. 690 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 8: You know he can't make these easy throws or we 691 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 8: don't think he's processing well enough. You still have to 692 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 8: block that out with the team thinks and go with 693 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 8: what your scouting staff and your coaching staff evaluates Justin 694 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 8: Fields and his potential or viability again compared to who 695 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 8: they could get in the draft, and say, Caleb Williams 696 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 8: is going to be better than Justin Fields and he 697 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 8: can take us to another level. I know the team 698 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 8: likes Justin, but just talent wise, play wise, we think 699 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 8: he can take us to another level that Justin cannot. 700 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: Take us to. 701 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 8: So yes, you weigh it in, but ultimately you can't 702 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 8: let players make decisions for you. You take into account, 703 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 8: but they can't make decisions. It just helps you and 704 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 8: guide you a little bit if you have your guy. 705 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 4: Especially players who don't give you enough of a record 706 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 4: as to where we're not even having a conversation like 707 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 4: this because you're making a playoff plan right now, man, yeah, player, 708 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 4: right now, Okay, right now, all right, Mark Ross, thank. 709 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: You so much. 710 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 5: We gotta get going, but we're gonna have you back 711 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 5: next week because you've got a whole lot of stuff. 712 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: Going on we talk about. 713 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 4: I remember this is also a podcast. You can find 714 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 4: us wherever you get your podcast. But coming up next, 715 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 4: who was a member of the Greatest Show on turf 716 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 4: and for the fifth consecutive year, he's a Hall of 717 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 4: Fame finalist. 718 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 5: Tory Holt on the NFL Report. 719 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: Right after the break. 720 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 4: Fires the middle, Tory Hope got it in traffic. 721 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 9: Wow throws the inside touchdown Rams, Tory Holt. 722 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 5: He's in the open field. 723 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: Ten five stop. 724 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 5: Tory Holp touchdown Hut to help touchdown Rams. 725 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 3: The Holton hoofs stay tuted. 726 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 5: Touch down Turlet Hope receiver. 727 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: There, Tom Halts touch time Rams? Wait what okay? 728 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 5: Oh man, JP, that that is That's an awesome video. 729 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: And now we were. 730 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 5: Joined by the star of that the game, torri O. 731 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 9: Happy New Year to you, Tory, New year to you, 732 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 9: guys man. Thanks for having me on the NFL reports. 733 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 4: All right, well, look, it's gonna be a new year 734 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 4: because once again you are a Pro Football Hall of 735 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 4: Fame finalist. Toy, We've been here before, Bro, it's your 736 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,479 Speaker 4: fifth time, and I just kind of want to know, 737 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,719 Speaker 4: like going through this the past couple of years and 738 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 4: getting the phone call instead of the knock has it globally? 739 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 4: Has it changed your perspective on this process at all? 740 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 10: Like? 741 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 5: Am I going to get in? Is blah blah? Have 742 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 5: you changed it all with this? 743 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 3: No? 744 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 10: I've tried to say the course. Thankfully, I just kind 745 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 10: of lean on my faith. 746 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 9: But I tell you what, though, to be honest with receiver, 747 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 9: it's a it's an emotional rollercoaster. It really is, because 748 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 9: that's not a day that goes by that I don't 749 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 9: think about possibly being inducted into the Pro Football of Fame. 750 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 10: Think about that, there's only three hundred and seventy one members. 751 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 9: There's only twenty eight receivers in the basketball league that 752 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 9: are Pro Football Hall of Famous LOI will and I'll 753 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 9: be twenty ninth. So I enjoyed the process. I learned 754 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 9: something new every single year. But I just ride the wave, man, 755 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 9: And it's really cool because it's a journey for me. 756 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 9: I put something out on I put something on my 757 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 9: Instagram and it said the journey continues, and that's it. 758 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 9: And I'm just staying down on it, like killing Mike. 759 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 9: I'm just staying down by law, just stand down on it, 760 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 9: waiting on my turn, but at the same time, but 761 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 9: at the same time really enjoying the moment because it 762 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 9: is really special. 763 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 10: It's so many men that's played in. 764 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 9: The National Football League, but there's only a few that's 765 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 9: graced the Hall. So hopefully, hopefully soon I'll be gracing 766 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 9: the hall man Tory. 767 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 3: You mentioned it being a roller coaster. 768 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 2: I'm assuming this makes the roller coaster ride maybe a 769 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 2: little bit more enjoyable. We've had Andre Johnson on the show, 770 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 2: We've had Eddie George on the show, and those two 771 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 2: guys specifically, and you know, there's others have been stumping 772 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 2: for you personally. 773 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 3: To get in. They said it on our show. They're like, 774 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 3: it's time for Tory to get in. 775 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 2: When other guys that are waiting for their turn as 776 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 2: well are stumping for you to get into the hall. 777 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 2: What does that kind of mean That support from other 778 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 2: guys that are also trying to get that gold jacket. 779 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 9: First and foremost as respect it really is. You know, 780 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 9: that's because it's it's hard, you know, It's just it's 781 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 9: it's tough to sustain a Hall of Fame level year 782 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 9: and then you're out first and foremost and for your 783 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 9: peers to recognize you as an Hall of Fame. But 784 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,800 Speaker 9: it just again kind of validates what type of player 785 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 9: they thought you were, the type of competitor you were, 786 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 9: the type. 787 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 10: Of leader you were in your community, on your. 788 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 9: Organization, and the representation that you every single year gave 789 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 9: the National Football League. 790 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,879 Speaker 10: So that is really cool to hear that. 791 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 9: Look, there's so many guys out there that that I 792 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 9: feel a Hall of Fame worthy as well, and I'm 793 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 9: championing for them. 794 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 3: You know. 795 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 9: I think back to one guy that comes to mind 796 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 9: for me, and I love him to death. He's a 797 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 9: He's a tremendous wide receiver. He was really dominating his 798 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 9: era was was was sterling shark, you know, and when 799 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 9: I see stroke, I automatically give him as flowers because 800 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 9: he you know, he paved the way for a lot 801 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,760 Speaker 9: of us that's played the position. So no, I'm thrilled 802 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 9: to hear that from my counterparts. Thrilled to hear that 803 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 9: from guys that I competed. Togains some guys that I 804 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 9: have respect for too, and carry themselves at a Hall 805 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 9: of Pro Bowl Hall of Fame level two. So again, man, 806 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 9: my peers have said to me time and time again, 807 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 9: they feel like you'd be in be in the Pro 808 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 9: Football Hall of Fame. 809 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 10: Hopefully the voters get it right as well. 810 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, Toy again, Sterling Sharp one of the best receivers 811 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 4: I've ever seen, just had that short career, had a 812 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 4: neck injury which cut it short, but still like in 813 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 4: that era, like he was that guy. So Toy, let 814 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 4: me ask you this when you when you look, we 815 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 4: were just watching Highlands View and Isaac Bruce, like Isaac 816 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 4: Bruce is in, Kurt Warner is in Orlando, Pace is in, 817 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 4: Marshall Falk is in when you just you know, sometimes 818 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 4: these voters might say, we can't put in five guys 819 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 4: and one team but this, But to me, that only 820 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 4: helps your case because you put up the numbers that 821 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 4: you did with all of that other talent. Don't you 822 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 4: think that's more of a feather in your cap than anything? 823 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 9: I think so, And I think the voters have to 824 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 9: look at my case. They have to look at me 825 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 9: as a player, just as they did with Marshall, just 826 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 9: as they did with Orlando, just as they did with Isaac, 827 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 9: just as they did with Kurt and the Nias. They 828 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 9: look at their case. They looked at what they did 829 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 9: in the National Football League. Look at what I did 830 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 9: in the National Football League for a decade, And what 831 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 9: it was saying to you is I was an all 832 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 9: decade player. 833 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 10: It was an all Pro. 834 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 9: I was a super Bowl champion, all of the all 835 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 9: of the accolades that you can possibly a mass in 836 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 9: the league. I was that uh records in the National 837 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 9: Football League, that was set as a rookie, and beyond, 838 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 9: I was that and beyond the greatest show on turf days. 839 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 9: I was still that guy, producer and producer at a 840 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 9: high level. 841 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 10: I was that guy. So I think I've voted. 842 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 9: I hope our voters look at my case, Tory Holt, 843 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 9: as a player, and and and and and really see 844 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 9: what I was able to do, the impact that I 845 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 9: was able to have in my eleven years in the 846 00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 9: National Football League. 847 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 2: All said, Tory, we're looking at the group that you 848 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 2: were a part of, and you're talking about it, and 849 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,839 Speaker 2: Steve's talking about it. I'm like thinking of all these players, like, 850 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 2: is there a group of skill guys in the NFL 851 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 2: right now on a particular team that you kind of 852 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 2: look at and go, that's that's a group right there. 853 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 2: I'm not saying anybody is the greatest show on turf, 854 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 2: but is there a team where you see a group 855 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 2: whether it's San Francisco or one of those teams where. 856 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 3: You go, this group of skill guys is something else? 857 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 10: Well, there's a number of guys you know. 858 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 9: You look out and in Cincinnati with the Bengals and 859 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 9: Chase and Higgas and those dudes are out Tyler board, 860 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 9: how they get down, how efficient they are, productive they are. 861 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 9: I look at Tyreek Hill and waddle down in Miami. 862 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 9: The speed why you know what I mean? Where you 863 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 9: line up against those guys, you better get ready to 864 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 9: run and run for a long time and being to 865 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 9: keep up with them, and then they got co coordinated. 866 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 9: It's creative with those guys and their sweet spots to 867 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 9: allow them to express themselves athletic. You mentioned the San 868 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 9: Francisco forty nine is when you think of a timing 869 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 9: system efficient depth details concepts, I think of the San 870 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 9: Francisco forty nine and so those are a few that 871 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,280 Speaker 9: come to mind when I think about wide receiver groups 872 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 9: and how they played and some of the things that 873 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 9: immolates how we played with the greatest showing turf. One 874 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 9: of the things that really made us, specially when I 875 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 9: say this all the time and I look at San 876 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 9: Francisco and other receiver groups, is we enjoyed each other's success. 877 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 9: We enjoyed watching one another get off. Actually, we saw 878 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 9: Isaac run a particular route that was dope. We came 879 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 9: back in practice next week it was like yo, we 880 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 9: got to run it like that and even better. So 881 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,399 Speaker 9: we were pushing the challenges in one another, but were 882 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 9: also excited and celebrated. 883 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,280 Speaker 10: And then we were very unselfish. 884 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 7: You know. 885 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 9: We had Marshall back in the backfield that we were 886 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,280 Speaker 9: handed off to and he can kill you for days. 887 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 9: But we didn't mind on the perimeter blocking and getting 888 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 9: those extra blocks, extending those long runs for a guy 889 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 9: like Marshall. So San Francisco forty nine has come to 890 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 9: mind in terms of the complete group of receivers and 891 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 9: how they played in the receiving game, and as well 892 00:39:58,560 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 9: as how they played in the run game. 893 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 4: All right, So we're gonna wrap this up though, because 894 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,760 Speaker 4: you're talking about guys playing off of one another. 895 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 5: Let's go back to your former team, the Rams. The 896 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 5: way that. 897 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 4: Cooper Cup and Pooka Nakua, who are similar in stature, 898 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 4: their games there, their games are pretty similar, the way 899 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 4: that they play off of each other, from the physicality 900 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 4: of their blocking, from their big playability, from their catch 901 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 4: and run ability. What can you say about that tandem 902 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 4: in the future of that tandem? 903 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 9: I can say so much about that tandem. First and 904 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:32,439 Speaker 9: foremost their Rams, So gollahad and to all my Rams 905 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,840 Speaker 9: and our RAMS receivers and the and the tradition that 906 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 9: we have at the wire receiving position. When you think 907 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 9: about the Los Angeles Rams, so the second those Rams 908 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 9: Los Angeles Rams have what he will say Rams. 909 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 10: Look, these dudes man are talented as all get out. 910 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 9: As you see there Pokin the coaty five yards. I 911 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,360 Speaker 9: think he's one hundred yards away from breaking the breaking 912 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 9: the record or rookie one hundred and one. I wrote 913 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,320 Speaker 9: it down here, one hundred and one catches he needs 914 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 9: for to break the record, his size, the speed in 915 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,880 Speaker 9: which he plays the passion in which he plays. It's 916 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 9: fun watching pook and the cop play the game of football. 917 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 9: And then he has a guy in Cooper cup that 918 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,320 Speaker 9: he sees how to do it every single day in 919 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 9: terms of the professionalism, the consistency, the work ethic. Cooper 920 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 9: Cup Man I said time and time again when you 921 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 9: go in that meeting room, he's going to be the 922 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 9: first person you see right up front taking notes, curtinent notes. 923 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 9: But he also shares the information with Pooka and the 924 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 9: rest of the wire receivers on that roster, so that 925 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 9: I love the wire receiver corps. They're to do all 926 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 9: those two guys, they're talented. Both are not small guys. 927 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 9: You're talking about guys that are six to two plus 928 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 9: really nice size stick and the other thing about Poop 929 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 9: and the core. Yeah, they throw him the football, but 930 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 9: he also now is involved in the jet SUITEE and 931 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 9: he's using that side the key first downs with his 932 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,800 Speaker 9: rams office to stay on to keep them on the 933 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,640 Speaker 9: field and move in the chain. And then they got 934 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 9: a guy in Matthew Stafford. Right now it's hot and 935 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,840 Speaker 9: he can get them all the ball. We're on the field. 936 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 4: Tory holds on s those hands and only compare to 937 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 4: Brian Baldinger's when we do that. Hey, toy man, you 938 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 4: know we're supposed to be objective and doing what we're doing, 939 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 4: but I gotta tell you, man, we're pulling for you 940 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 4: to finally get that knock on the door. We appreciate 941 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 4: you joining us here on the NFL Report again, Happy 942 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:22,799 Speaker 4: New Year, and thanks so much. 943 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 10: Thank you guys, very much appreciated. All the best East. 944 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 2: Coming up Jeff Schendiaz first read column. We're gonna break 945 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,920 Speaker 2: down the AFC South. This could be a division for 946 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,840 Speaker 2: the next few years that we're all gonna. 947 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,720 Speaker 3: Be enjoying watching these young quarterbacks play. More NFL Report 948 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:41,359 Speaker 3: coming up next. 949 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,720 Speaker 2: Hey, it's James Palmer and you're listening to the NFL 950 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 2: Report podcast along with myself and Steve Weisch. 951 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,720 Speaker 1: But remember, if you want to see our beautiful. 952 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 2: Faces, this is a show at seven point fifteen Monday 953 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 2: and Thursday at seven fifteen pm Eastern, and we are 954 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,960 Speaker 2: on the NFL app as well as fast streaming platforms. 955 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 2: That's two B, that's Roku, that's Pluto, that's Peacock, all 956 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,399 Speaker 2: of those platforms as well as the NFL dot Com 957 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 2: Slash NFL Channel find us all on those spots. 958 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,720 Speaker 4: Are we're back with our final block of the NFL Report. 959 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,120 Speaker 4: For that, we're bringing our guy Jeff Chadeah. Every week 960 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 4: it's first read segment. Jeff, just for the people listening 961 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,879 Speaker 4: on the podcast, you have on your. 962 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,800 Speaker 5: Your Michigan gear colors, your colors. 963 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 4: As the Wolverines of course win a big one in 964 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,879 Speaker 4: the championship playoff and James Palmer's Ohio State Buck guys, 965 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,360 Speaker 4: of course took l to the Missouri Tigers, where I 966 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:45,439 Speaker 4: actually spent a little time. 967 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:46,240 Speaker 1: They played a ballgame. 968 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 2: I didn't mean like the rest of Ohio State didn't 969 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 2: know they played a bowl game. 970 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,719 Speaker 1: Yeah me, like me and the team didn't know there 971 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:53,359 Speaker 1: was a bowl game. 972 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. 973 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,440 Speaker 2: I don't like this though, by the way, Jeff, because 974 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,359 Speaker 2: we broke bread in Kansas City Saturday night with our 975 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,720 Speaker 2: significant others. We there, we have a wonderful meal, everybody's laughing, 976 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,360 Speaker 2: it's it's glorious, and then you do this to me today. 977 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,759 Speaker 1: I didn't mention them at all, did I? What's that 978 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 1: I mentioned the college? 979 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:12,960 Speaker 3: I think we're there for three hours. 980 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,720 Speaker 5: We didn't say word game hadn't been played yet. James 981 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 5: game had not been played yet. All right, all right, 982 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,719 Speaker 5: we're gonna re visit this a different time. We don't 983 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:20,719 Speaker 5: have a ton of time left. 984 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 4: But Jeff, in your first recolumn today, you talk about 985 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,319 Speaker 4: what's at stake right going into week eighteen, A lot 986 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,920 Speaker 4: of things have already been decided, but only two playoff 987 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,359 Speaker 4: bursts are open in the AFC, and. 988 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,080 Speaker 5: The big conundrum really comes out of. 989 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:38,239 Speaker 4: The AFC South, where the Colts, Jags, and Texans are 990 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 4: still in place. So why don't you walk us through 991 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 4: some of those scenarios and then push it forward to 992 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,279 Speaker 4: how the AFC South they could be the determining division 993 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,360 Speaker 4: in the AFC for the next whatever round of years. 994 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 11: Well, all three of these teams have a chance to 995 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:57,319 Speaker 11: win the AFC South right now. Jackson m'clearly was in 996 00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 11: the front runner a few weeks ago when they were 997 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,960 Speaker 11: eight and three. They fall back to the pack with 998 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 11: a four game losing street, but they found a way 999 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,719 Speaker 11: to get that win last week impressively against a really 1000 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 11: bad Carolina team. Obviously in Houston, Indianapolis are sitting there too, 1001 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 11: hoping to get. 1002 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:12,399 Speaker 1: A break here. 1003 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 11: Now, the round of here is that somebody has to 1004 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,480 Speaker 11: win somebody has the fall out of this race. Houston 1005 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,800 Speaker 11: plays Indianapolis this week, so one of those two teams 1006 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 11: to be out. 1007 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: But ironically most of these three of these teams. 1008 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 11: Have shots at wildcard spots at a time when you 1009 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,279 Speaker 11: go back to the start of the year when we 1010 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,320 Speaker 11: were thinking by the second worst division in football. 1011 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,400 Speaker 2: I thought, Jeff, we also were going like, you know, CJ. 1012 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,359 Speaker 2: Stroud's balling in the middle of the year. Then Shane 1013 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,200 Speaker 2: Stike in somehow with his group and a backup quarterback 1014 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,719 Speaker 2: and Gardner Minshew, It's like they just keep putting up points. 1015 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,719 Speaker 2: We're like, this isn't sustainable to be playoff teams the 1016 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 2: rest of the way. But man, these are nice stories, 1017 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,960 Speaker 2: but that's not the way it is right now. And 1018 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 2: I think it's because what I just mentioned was Shane 1019 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,400 Speaker 2: Stiken and then you look at Jamiico Ryans with the 1020 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,400 Speaker 2: Houston Texans. Those two guys up probably for Coach of 1021 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,880 Speaker 2: the Year, probably sitting there right by Steve's guy and 1022 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,440 Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski, but also Mike Vrabels in this division, and 1023 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,319 Speaker 2: you also have Doug Peterson in this division. When we 1024 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,560 Speaker 2: look at what's moving forward with all of these teams. 1025 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 2: How much do you think the guys running these four 1026 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 2: programs are going to make what we look at with 1027 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,000 Speaker 2: the AFC South maybe turn on its head now in 1028 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 2: the foreseeable future. 1029 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 11: Well, you look at the AFC South from that lens, 1030 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 11: and what you're looking at is a division has a 1031 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,839 Speaker 11: great opportunity to really influence the AFC going forward because 1032 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 11: what you have there with Shroud, Richardson, Will Levis and 1033 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,799 Speaker 11: Trevor Lawrence is four guys on rookie contracts, right, and 1034 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,359 Speaker 11: so these teams can go out. Jacksonville's already spent money, 1035 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:41,879 Speaker 11: but you have teams can go out and really still 1036 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,160 Speaker 11: keep building around what they have at the quarterback position, 1037 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 11: and they're well coached. So much as we talk about 1038 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,400 Speaker 11: Annas City and Buffalo and Cincinnati and Baltimore, now you 1039 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,640 Speaker 11: might potentially have four more teams that could be players 1040 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,799 Speaker 11: in this because their Brandon Football Division is it's a 1041 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 11: more physical division. It's a division, as you mentioned, is 1042 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,160 Speaker 11: really well coached, and we're finding out that the gms 1043 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,000 Speaker 11: they know what they're doing too. And so yeah, I'm 1044 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 11: excited to see what comes out of this division going forward, 1045 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,279 Speaker 11: because nobody thought they'd have more than one playoff team 1046 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 11: and they might have two. 1047 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,879 Speaker 1: How about that? How about that? So did Jeff? 1048 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,080 Speaker 4: Every week in your column you talk about the MVP 1049 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 4: race and it is in the words of Vinnie Johnson 1050 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:26,320 Speaker 4: Detroit Pistons ov A, it is over. It is Ova 1051 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 4: Romar Jackson, the deal is sealed. 1052 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:31,640 Speaker 5: I mean, what what. 1053 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:32,239 Speaker 1: Can you say? 1054 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:33,680 Speaker 4: Because some people are gonna say, he doesn't have the 1055 00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,280 Speaker 4: stats like this, but he's the MVP, he's the best player, 1056 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:38,840 Speaker 4: He's the best player in the NFL. 1057 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,399 Speaker 11: Well, we said this a few weeks ago, and when 1058 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,560 Speaker 11: I wrote that big MVP column, we talked about on 1059 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,160 Speaker 11: this and that's there's gonna be some some wild cards 1060 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 11: in here that aren't named Rock Perdy or Dak Prescott, 1061 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 11: and Lamar was one of those people. Because you knew 1062 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:53,560 Speaker 11: that they were gonna have some big games and you 1063 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,440 Speaker 11: knew they were gonna have some opportunities to really showcase 1064 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,440 Speaker 11: what what the MVP could be for them and what 1065 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,160 Speaker 11: Lamar is exactly that. I mean, this was going to 1066 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 11: be a year who it's gonna be less about stats 1067 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,400 Speaker 11: and more about moments. And when you go to San 1068 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,000 Speaker 11: Francisco and you blow out the best team in the NFL, 1069 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 11: at the time, and you go and you beat the 1070 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 11: Miami Dolphins, who had one of the top two offenses 1071 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,439 Speaker 11: of football at the time. You were making a huge 1072 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 11: tatement about what you are and what you're leading. Look, 1073 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,520 Speaker 11: I thought he had a great chance to win it 1074 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,520 Speaker 11: just by them being the top seed. But you look 1075 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,160 Speaker 11: at what he's done the last couple of weeks and 1076 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 11: the way he played against the Dolphins. Yeah, it's cemented it. 1077 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,399 Speaker 11: He's going to be He's going to get a second MVP. 1078 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,400 Speaker 2: All right, Jeff under thirty seconds is the runner up, 1079 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:36,640 Speaker 2: then Josh Allen. 1080 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,200 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. It is. 1081 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,319 Speaker 11: Yeah, I think it is. But I'll make a case 1082 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,480 Speaker 11: for Dak Prescott, you know. I mean it's like Dak 1083 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,280 Speaker 11: has got the numbers, but he's playing against lesser competition 1084 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,160 Speaker 11: I think than what Josh has. Josh has a ton 1085 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,400 Speaker 11: of touchdowns and his rally the bills. You know, it's 1086 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,480 Speaker 11: if he didn't have the turnovers, he might have that award. 1087 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,040 Speaker 11: But again, I think Josh Allen's doing a lot to 1088 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,360 Speaker 11: keep Buffalo in there, and I like him as a 1089 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:03,840 Speaker 11: number two with Dak three. 1090 00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:05,040 Speaker 5: Wow. 1091 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,279 Speaker 4: Interesting, Risius McCaffrey, that must be an O po y. 1092 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:10,400 Speaker 1: Quarterback. 1093 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,040 Speaker 5: We're talking about runner up for a runner up. 1094 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,400 Speaker 4: Hey, Jeff, we appreciate you. Let's see what the Wolverines 1095 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 4: can do in the big game. We'll get back, but 1096 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:21,359 Speaker 4: we appreciate you. 1097 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,000 Speaker 1: Have a happy New Year. Right of the West. Happen 1098 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,879 Speaker 1: to you're already brother, happen to you're already. There we go, 1099 00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,200 Speaker 1: Jeff in person, much more than the virtual Jeff, there 1100 00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 1: we go. 1101 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,200 Speaker 3: Well this weekend. 1102 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,239 Speaker 5: Hey, speaking of virtual, here we are James and I. 1103 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,200 Speaker 4: You can find us on the NFL Report today it's Tuesday, 1104 00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,600 Speaker 4: but typically every Monday and Thursday at seven fifteen pm 1105 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:48,120 Speaker 4: Eastern Time on your free streaming apps like Roku, Toby Peacock, Pluto, 1106 00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:48,799 Speaker 4: places like that. 1107 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,239 Speaker 5: But we're also a podcast. 1108 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,960 Speaker 4: You can find us on iHeartRadio and other places where 1109 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:55,400 Speaker 4: you get your podcast. 1110 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:56,759 Speaker 1: So, JP, you got. 1111 00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,680 Speaker 5: About the final twenty seconds here week eighteen. What do 1112 00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:00,640 Speaker 5: you think we're gonna. 1113 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,359 Speaker 4: Be talking about this time next week, which will also 1114 00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:04,200 Speaker 4: be on a Tuesday. 1115 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,680 Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm not even gonna go to that, Steve. 1116 00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,640 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to Thursday when Baldi breaks down everything 1117 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,399 Speaker 2: we need to know between that Dolphins and Bill's game. 1118 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,200 Speaker 1: Oh, it's gonna be my favorite. Baldy's Favorite Films of 1119 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,680 Speaker 1: all Time podcast