WEBVTT - #382 - Kameron Marlowe on his Failed Proposal That Lead to His First Hit “Giving You Up” + How He Found Out His Grandmas Smokes Weed + How Much Money He Made Performing on Broadway 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:06.640 Who's on giving you. It's like I did the marble 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:10.640 lets him giving you that's a good one. We can't 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:11.920 get suit for that, right If he sings that, we 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:19.479 can't get Episode three eight two Cameron Marlowe. I like 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:26.360 this guy's song that goes because I'm giving you up. Huh. 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:28.680 It's good guy. I can really sing. We brought him 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:30.960 in and he did fulsome prison in the studio. He 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:32.960 did some other stuff too, but I remember him doing 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:34.480 this in Overby in the show. Was like, what the heck, 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:40.519 here's the clip. I do no, but I'm stocking filsome prison. 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:43.520 You can find it on YouTube channel. Because legal rules, 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:45.880 we can't play the whole thing, but we did figure 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:48.080 out a way to skirt that during this episode. Yeah, 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:52.520 it's cool. We're it's not fraud. We're not doing the illegal. 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:56.480 It's just the recording. Yeah. So, and here's the weird 0:00:56.480 --> 0:01:00.880 thing about this situation with Cameron and myself. I walked 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:04.080 into the room because what I like about camera got 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:07.080 there fifteen minutes early any day every day. I love it, 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.119 But most don't. Most get there because they know it's 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:11.240 my house to get there five minutes early. I love them. 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:14.080 People early but I remember I was using the bathroom 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:17.000 and he calls and I was like, oh, I text 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:19.040 Mike because Mike's over studio, and I'm like, hey, give 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:22.880 me just a minute. And so I'm a little I 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:25.440 wouldn't say fully frazzled, partially frazzles. I'm trying to get 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.520 over there. So you get over there and walk in, 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.119 probably still seven eight minutes before I supposed to start, 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.039 but love somebody that it's early and his managers there 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:36.959 and it's him, and I'm just still like rushing and 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:38.800 I say to her, Hey, good to see you again. 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:40.760 And I say to him, hey, nice to meet you. 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:43.960 It should have been the opposite way because I never 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:45.440 but I meant it the other way. I was just like, 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:49.240 I never met her, and obviously, and so it was 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:50.880 like a little bit through I realized that I said 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:51.920 nice to meet you to camera, and I was like, 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.080 I'm such an idiot, but I know that that's where 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.480 I was when this started going. Oh I gotta get 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:00.560 going here. But it's it's really good. I joyed Cameron 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:02.400 joy hanging out with him. He's really talented and I 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:04.120 hope he checked his music out. So here we go. 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:09.720 Cameron Marlow here on the Bobby Cast. The first time, Cameron, 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:11.440 I think, I guess I knew about you, But the 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:14.919 first time that somebody that I was close to was like, hey, 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:18.480 this Cameron Marlow guys pretty good. Was I'm good friends 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:20.880 with Jake Owen and we were going out on the boat. 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:23.799 We were somewhere not here, I don't remember where we were, 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:26.080 but we had a boat and he was like, I 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.600 was driving, I was listening to one of his playlists 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:32.160 and everything sounds the same, he said, except for he said, 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.160 you know, Cameron Marlow, I don't know him personally. Night 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:36.839 you had anyway, he goes, Man, he had a song. 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:38.720 They was like, this song is so good? Did he 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:42.400 like post that he did? Man? He uh remember him 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.800 shooting like I guess doing a little story about her. 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.240 So I thought that was pretty cool man, Yeah, because 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:51.560 he just genuinely was, you know, moving through music, and 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:52.799 you know what it's like, you hear a lot of 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:55.720 music songs that you've written, other people have written, songs, 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.480 are on radio songs, and same for him. Hear stuff 0:02:58.520 --> 0:02:59.720 all the time. But he was like, man, this stuff 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:01.919 just like feels and hits a little different. I love 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:03.840 that and yeah, I would assume coming from somebody that 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.600 has done it successfully for a long time to have 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:09.880 that because you didn't ask him his opinion, and that's tough. 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:12.880 Somebody ask your opinion on something that's tough, and he 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:14.600 just kind of came out like that's gotta be good, right, 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.359 like like a peer. But also somebody who has has 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.919 done it big is complimenting your work without a doubt, man, 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:21.480 And it's Uh, it's one of those things where you 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:23.520 kind of I feel like I have to pinch myself 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:25.919 sometimes just because I wouldn't ever expect you to be here. 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:29.320 So what's happening like right now career wise? Is it 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.320 coming so fast at you or does it feel like 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:34.840 you're so close to it that it's not moving fast 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.000 enough a little bit of both. I feel like when 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.200 I first started this, it was like everything was so quick, 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.920 like gotta get meetings, gotta getting meetings, and then COVID happened, 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:44.400 and then it was just completely shut down, and then 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:46.320 we picked back up, and it was like, I think 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:48.600 I got a little obsessed with it to the point 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:49.960 where I was like, oh, I don't feel like things 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:51.760 are happening at all. So I think I'm in all 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:55.720 three stages. When did you move to town? About four 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:59.240 years ago? So you were here? How long until COVID 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:02.160 started to affect things? Um, I'd say about a year. 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.680 Did you feel that you were getting some traction, like 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.680 real traction whenever everything had to stop? I did, man, 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.040 because I put out my first single and it was 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.840 the first thing that I'd ever put out ever, and uh, 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:15.520 it started blowing up. It was called Giving You Up, 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:17.960 and it just started rolling and people are listening to it, 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.239 and we had all this momentum with it and taking 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:22.839 meetings and everybody was excited and getting tour offers and 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.080 things like that. And then it all just kind of 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:26.880 shut down, and I was like, oh, man, now what 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:29.240 do we do? What did you do? I just sat 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.240 at the house and wrote a bunch of songs, I think, 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:34.200 just like everybody else, man, I went back home to 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:37.320 Carolina and just spend time with the family. I mean, 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:39.839 it's such a tease. It is right, you got here, 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:43.080 and it's all right, we like you, let's get some stuff, 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:46.640 go out, and then you have to fight that fight 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:48.680 to get back in front of people. I guess, and 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:50.400 uh so I guess that's kind of what last year 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:52.320 was about. It was just kind of fighting that fight 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.240 to get back in front of people's faces and rebuild momentum. 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.440 What are you doing now every day here in town? 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.120 Or are you on the road a couple of days 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:01.480 a week A you're touring constantly right now? We are. 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:03.880 We took January off just because we toured so crazy 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.479 last year. Um, But yeah, this year is gonna be 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:08.080 on the road as much as I can, as brighten 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.080 as much as I can. Are you gonna ride on 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:13.719 the road because that's a different a whole different thing. Man. 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.920 I try and uh, I don't feel like I get 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:19.240 my favorite songs. I've gotten great songs that are gonna 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:21.720 go on this next record, but um, writing on the road. 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:24.320 But it's a whole different mindset. I feel like for me, 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.960 I'm more of a like if I've been show modeum, 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:28.920 and show mode, if I'm in writing Modeum, in writing mode, 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:30.960 I don't know. Some of my friends will come right 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.400 off stage and hop right under the bus, you know, 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:37.000 in the rigs already going and they start writing and 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.760 that's just exhausting. That is man, that's they're better than me. 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:43.080 And then it's you know, you're on the road for 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:44.880 two or three four days and you come back and 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:46.279 you only have a few days. And I'll deal with 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:47.760 this little bit too. If I'm out doing comedy and 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:49.920 then doing the radio show, it's that I've only got 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.880 a few days to kind of catch back up, and 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:54.880 I'm trying to catch up on life stuff and make 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:59.120 sure bills and dogs and and laundry, laundry. Man, it's like, 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:01.560 now got to also be creative. So it's just when 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:06.440 you're touring, it's just hard to be as creative that's possible. 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:10.560 So you've used this time to just right January, like 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:12.000 in the last year, do you write a bunch of 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.480 songs in definitely? Man, And like, when you're on the road, 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.480 I feel like it's like this group you use all 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.279 that I don't know. I'm kind of an introverted person, 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:22.120 so like I feel like I when I push out 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:23.520 all that energy and stuff like that, I have to 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.000 be at home and I just kind of sit in 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:26.840 silence a little bit. So I don't like have that 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.960 creative flow going. So I have to like just book 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:34.279 myselves or book myself a like week just to focus 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:38.680 on writing. I've tried to make this year a year 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.279 where occasionally I get bored. That's a good way to 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.560 do it because and Mike and I were talking about it, 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:48.240 it's like we're running hot all the time, and if 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:52.040 you're always run into the next thing, there's no time 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:56.800 to really gather creativity. And a force creativity. To me, 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:58.960 I mean, you can get the key in the keyhole, 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:02.000 but it barely fits. It's like you know, and it's never, 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.440 like you said, I never get my favorite stuff when 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:08.240 it's a forced I feel like it becomes monotonous at 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:13.080 that point. And and just like a task, and it's 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:14.840 a it's job, for sure, it's a job. It's a 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:17.760 job that we do because we love it and because 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.720 we got to be creative. But it is it's a balance. 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.480 I I'm excited to see how you balance this now 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.200 because you're going on the road, you're playing, your shows 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:30.360 are getting bigger, obviously, and but now because your record 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:34.720 came out last year, right that's one month uh September, 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:37.040 like right like close to last quarter of the last year. 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.520 I should know that, but yeah, so should I I 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:43.080 knew it was late last year. But and now that 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.880 you have this record that people really like, they're ready 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.280 for new stuff and so but but now you gotta right, 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.600 you gotta get better at the same time. Absolutely, And 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:53.400 it's crazy, man, I feel like there's been a shift 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:55.680 in this past couple of years where like there is 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:57.880 no rules, Like there's not like an album cycle or 0:07:57.880 --> 0:07:59.560 anything like that. It's like people just want to consume 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:01.560 music all the time. I mean, you put out one 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:05.119 or you put out forty exactly. It's good and people 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:08.080 like it, and it's it's within the strategy that you 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:11.760 can maintain and really give it the love and support 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.080 that it deserves. There is no you're right, there are 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.760 no the ones you make for yourself without a doubt. 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:20.280 But it's tough to commit to a bunch of stuff 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.920 and then not really have the capacity for it. And 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:24.880 I think, you know, what's what's good about you is 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:26.680 you've now worked hard enough that you're about to work 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:30.160 so hard you want to vomit. And it's sucks and 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:33.480 it's awesome at the same time. I remember when when 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:35.600 it happened for me. I was on plane constantly. I 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:37.520 was working on radio show at three o'clock in the morning, 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.160 I was up on stage you get off at eleven, 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:42.480 and I was like almost vomiting because you don't get 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:44.640 enough sleep, you're not eating right, but you're doing all 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.120 this work. And I remember feeling sorry for myself, but 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.640 it was I've worked this hard to get to work 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.680 this freaking hard, and you're there and it's a really 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.720 great thing. I'm super pumped for you. I get I 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.760 appreciate that, and I I get that though, man, because 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:00.920 like I'll get into that my own de party sometimes 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.880 and that drives me insane. And I think ending last 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.439 year I was in like a real this weird spot 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:08.160 with that when I was like, man, why do I 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.840 why don't I so like in this weird spot of 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.320 not feeling like I'm doing enough even though I'm doing 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.280 all the all the stuff that I can all the time. 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:18.840 And that's normal though, rights It's it's absolutely normal. Everybody 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.240 gets in funks and tireds, and but I just have 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.160 to like check myself out of it and go, Man, 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.199 I begged for this. I worked so hard to be 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:28.040 this time, not right now. I worked so hard to 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:29.600 get to this point where now I now get to 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.160 be this tired. Yeah, and then eventually you'll kill out 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:33.559 so much you have to be this tired anymore. You 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:39.040 got planes, he got five buses. Yeah, it's all a cycle. 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.760 What's how do you say your hometown Cannapolis? What's Cannapolis, 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:46.040 North Carolina? Like so, uh, it's been through quite a change. Um. 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.440 When I was young, we were a mealtown. It was 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:51.640 just like cotton meal basically getting linens and stuff like 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:54.560 that all across the country. Um, when I turned I 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.200 think ten years old, to shut the meal down, and uh, 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:00.360 it just kind of set empty the town did. There's 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:04.000 nothing really there. Um until about i'd say three years 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:07.199 ago we built a cancer research campus downtown where the 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:08.959 meals used to be. And then now they have a 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:10.959 baseball park was down there a lot of life back 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:12.880 into the town. Yeah. Man, it's it's really been cool. 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:14.760 Like every time I go back home, there's like a 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:16.800 new building down there. And when I was young, like 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.200 nobody went downtown. It was just it's all it's kind 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.720 of a ghost town. That's exciting. I'm from a town 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:23.960 of eight hundred people in Mountain Pine, Arkansas. We had 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.559 a saw mill, warehouser and the whole you went to 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.280 work there after school. Almost nobody went to college, but 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.880 you went to work at the mill. And that's what 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.960 you did. But when the mills shut down, very similar, 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.480 the town died. Yeah, man, and people had to mood 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:40.520 fine jobs And it's super cool to hear you say 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:42.800 that they built something else there and now new jobs 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:44.920 and there's like a new economy and it's wild to 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:48.080 see it. And how many people lived there? Oh? Shoot, 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:49.800 I couldn't tell you. I know when I was young, 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:54.839 we got five. How many dollar stores you've got, like 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:59.480 Dollar General, Dollar, Oh, they're all over so not it's 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:02.040 obviously not super small, but it's still a small town. 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:05.400 How your high school? How many kids graduated with you? Um? 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:11.360 I had a hundred kids graduate with me. Small yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:14.320 so small Yeah, not too bad. Whenever you were in 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:17.040 high school? What what kid were you that? Cameron is 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:20.640 the blank kid? I was always the music kid, I'd say, Um, 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:24.000 I never I thought I'd chase it, but I love Yeah. 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:26.240 I don't know why. I just wouldn't. Didn't think it 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:30.240 was a realistic thing. Did you play? I'm assuming you started. 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:33.800 This is a lot of assumption here. Now. You started playing, 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.880 or at least singing young, because you're from the South 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.319 North Carolina. To me, the South like singing church girls 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.439 playing the church, So you do that. Did you learn 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:45.920 to play guitar young? Um? Yeah, i'd say so. About 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:47.880 when you say music in high school, then were your 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.520 guitar music kid or were you also learning music in 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:52.360 the band? Oh? Man, I did the band thing for 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:55.600 a year Marching band. Realized, real cool, that's not how 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:59.640 you get girls. What instrument? I was a snare drummer, 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:03.160 so my very first though, I was just out here 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.839 getting him. That made movies about that. That might look 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:09.040 a lot cooler on the movies though. So you didn't 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.920 like marching Marching band, I didn't, man and Uh. I 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.160 kind of talked to my band teacher there and I 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.679 was like, I want to start a class that, like 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.080 I can learn how to perform and he was like, oh, 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.559 that's interesting. So he started this class called rock band 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.120 and that's kind of like where I started to learn 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:26.720 how to play guitar and pretty cool. Yeah, so they 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:29.600 would do that at your school, they would, Man and Uh, 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:31.720 it was me and like four other kids that was 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:33.720 in this class. But I didn't take it for granted. 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:36.000 I loved it, man, I was I just learned how 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:37.600 to put a band together and things like that, and 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:39.319 I look back and I'm like, man, that really actually 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:41.000 kind of helped me. Yeah, I did some kid get 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.520 forced to play the bass? Oh yeah, it's like the 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:46.319 little brother A lot of times he's forced to play 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:48.240 bas because a big brother plays guitar. I just figured 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:49.760 there's some kid in that class. It was like, I, man, 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:54.559 I wanted to play guitar. So in this class is 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:56.560 four or five of you guys? And what are they? 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:59.240 What does he? What's rock band about? Like? Are you 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.600 going in learning about some of the great rock bands? 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:04.000 Are you individually working on things? There wasn't ever like 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:08.600 strict like assignment, Like we never had an exam or anything. 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:10.640 Basically all we did was going there and we learn 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:12.400 a song a day or try and learn a song 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:14.360 a day and be able to perform it. We never 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:17.160 really performed anything with it, but we just tried to 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.440 like make a band. I guess did you guys? Jam 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.240 was that part of the class. Wee kind of figured 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:24.000 out it was a great third period. Man, that sounds 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:29.880 pretty awesome. So you're you're singing in church at how old? Oh? Man? 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.400 I started when I was probably six years old. And 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:34.599 are you singing? Because the baptistchurts and I went to 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.560 growing up. It was really gospel. E wasn't a lot 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.760 of stuff like when we go down here, it's newer music, 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:44.840 even pop sensibilities, country sensibilities, but ours was old school gospel. 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:46.640 What was your church music like? Zact same way. I 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:48.440 went to a small Southern Baptist church too, so it 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:50.440 was a lot of hymns like Rock of Ages, I 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:54.319 fly Away, Yeah, absolutely? And so did you love music 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:56.559 then or was it something that your family was like, hey, Cama, 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:58.760 we need you to do this, Like when did it 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.280 become kind of a like a burning part of you 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.199 that you wanted to You said you didn't know you 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:07.000 do it forever, but you wanted to do it years old. Man, 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:08.839 I loved music, and I knew I did, and I 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.080 knew that I had been gifted to be able to 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:14.240 play and sing. So I I started, uh just when 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.599 I went to college. I went to study music, but 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:20.000 I didn't make it long in college. But I um, 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.360 like basically to make side money, I would go play 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.320 random places, playing cover songs and just kind of set 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.760 up in the corner of a bar and just uh 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:29.480 take tip money if they'd give it. To me or 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.920 if they were paying, I wouldn't. I would just try 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:33.760 and do it and enjoy it. Would you love playing 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:35.240 the most when it comes to came to cover songs 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:36.840 like or what did you know you were gonna get 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:38.720 paid the most if you did? Oh? I knew if 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.200 I did like the newest songs out, I would get 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:44.960 tip more. But I love like older stuff for some reason, man, 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.840 Like I love Ray Charles and Steven Ray Vaughan and 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.640 stuff like that, Like I love that blues heavy like 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.040 real singabowl kind of melodies and things like that. So 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.960 I grew up loving a lot of older country music 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.160 like George Jones because I mean his voice was one 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.560 of my favorites, and and getting into like that Blue 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.440 Side with Great Charles and P. B. King and that 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:06.720 kind of stuff. Um, your parents did you grow up 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:10.360 with both parents? Are they both still alive? Are they 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.080 together still? Okay? I just want to make sure if 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:15.680 I get into these questions. Um, So either one of 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:20.160 your parents musical at all? Um? I think my dad 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:22.560 sang when he was really young, and I don't think 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:24.520 and my mom saying when she was younger, but not 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:27.480 so much that you were heavily influenced. No, No, they're 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:29.800 just sang in a church kind of thing, like everybody 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:31.760 did choir and stuff in the church. When you tell 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:36.360 them that you want to be uh, full time songwriter, artist, musician, 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:41.560 full time different than playing during college or high school 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:44.640 or like what do they say to that? Um? They 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.160 knew I was pretty miserable at the job I had. 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:50.160 I was basically selling car parts for General Motors. And 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:52.520 I was like, you know what, I think I'm a 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.160 chassist in Nashville and they were a hundred percent behind me. 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:56.880 I mean I came to town. I slipped on an 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.440 air mattress for about six months before I could get 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:01.560 a little or not a real bed, but like a little. 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:05.200 That's where we need to get in that market, the 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:08.360 rental bed market. Yeah, I have sounds gross. I wouldn't 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.720 rent one, but I rent them out. So you're twenty 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.320 one or so when you move here. So you move 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.600 here at twenty one, and where do you live on 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:19.480 an air mattress? Donaldson with two other guys. I met 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.840 him at red door randomly and they were like, man, 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.560 we're gonna get a house. And I was like all right, 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:26.880 and they were like, you should move here, and that's 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:28.600 kind of where my wheel started turning. You were a 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.040 red door from home. You came from North Carolina. Came 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.280 from North Carolina. I was traveling up here quite a bit. Sorry, 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.560 I'm not feeling in these pieces, but I feel if 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:37.160 you mess it, I'll go back to it, thank you. 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:39.800 Uh yeah. But I was just kind of traveling back 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:41.880 and forth, just trying to meet as many people as 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:45.120 I could understand the town. I didn't know what anything 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.240 about the music business was like. I didn't know what 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.360 a publisher was, a record label, what they really did, 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:51.800 or anything like that. So I was just trying to 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:54.360 learn as much as I could. What was the first 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:57.400 time that you came to Nashville. You could have been 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:00.800 whenever you decided that you were gonna come to Nashville 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:04.280 and you were gonna try to figure out music, but 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.120 you weren't moving here yet. You remember the first time 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.600 you came here? Just explore? Yeah, definitely, what do you 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:10.800 do in that time? I'm always curious because it's not 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.480 like you know some songwriters already. You're the first time. 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:15.679 What do you do? Definitely? And I had met some 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:18.399 friends that had been coming up and like back from Nashville, 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:19.720 so they kind of took me around. I did the 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:22.080 Broadway thing. So they were from North Carolina. Yeah, I 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.320 got it. Yeah, And uh then they were like, well, 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:26.440 we gotta go to Midtown. That's where all the industry 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:28.080 people hang out. And I thought that was cool. I 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:30.680 was like, oh man, And so I went down here 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.160 and uh just kind of talk to as many people 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.240 that that would talk to me and tried to set 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:37.640 up rights. And I was being that guy at Red 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:39.160 Door and be like, oh, we should write some time. 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:43.000 So did that work? Did you make rights? Did? I did? 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:44.880 And I would travel up as much as my job 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:46.840 would let me to get up here and try and write. 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.320 And I was writing terrible songs. Well you have to 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:53.000 before you can write kind of terrible then pretty good. Yeah, 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:56.160 you gotta know how to write bad without a doubt. 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:58.920 So you move here and you're move in a house 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:01.080 with some dudes you didn't know except you met at 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:03.560