Speaker 1: Who's on giving you. It's like I did the marble
Speaker 1: lets him giving you that's a good one. We can't
Speaker 1: get suit for that, right If he sings that, we
Speaker 1: can't get Episode three eight two Cameron Marlowe. I like
Speaker 1: this guy's song that goes because I'm giving you up. Huh.
Speaker 1: It's good guy. I can really sing. We brought him
Speaker 1: in and he did fulsome prison in the studio. He
Speaker 1: did some other stuff too, but I remember him doing
Speaker 1: this in Overby in the show. Was like, what the heck,
Speaker 1: here's the clip. I do no, but I'm stocking filsome prison.
Speaker 1: You can find it on YouTube channel. Because legal rules,
Speaker 1: we can't play the whole thing, but we did figure
Speaker 1: out a way to skirt that during this episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's cool. We're it's not fraud. We're not doing the illegal.
Speaker 1: It's just the recording. Yeah. So, and here's the weird
Speaker 1: thing about this situation with Cameron and myself. I walked
Speaker 1: into the room because what I like about camera got
Speaker 1: there fifteen minutes early any day every day. I love it,
Speaker 1: But most don't. Most get there because they know it's
Speaker 1: my house to get there five minutes early. I love them.
Speaker 1: People early but I remember I was using the bathroom
Speaker 1: and he calls and I was like, oh, I text
Speaker 1: Mike because Mike's over studio, and I'm like, hey, give
Speaker 1: me just a minute. And so I'm a little I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say fully frazzled, partially frazzles. I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: over there. So you get over there and walk in,
Speaker 1: probably still seven eight minutes before I supposed to start,
Speaker 1: but love somebody that it's early and his managers there
Speaker 1: and it's him, and I'm just still like rushing and
Speaker 1: I say to her, Hey, good to see you again.
Speaker 1: And I say to him, hey, nice to meet you.
Speaker 1: It should have been the opposite way because I never
Speaker 1: but I meant it the other way. I was just like,
Speaker 1: I never met her, and obviously, and so it was
Speaker 1: like a little bit through I realized that I said
Speaker 1: nice to meet you to camera, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm such an idiot, but I know that that's where
Speaker 1: I was when this started going. Oh I gotta get
Speaker 1: going here. But it's it's really good. I joyed Cameron
Speaker 1: joy hanging out with him. He's really talented and I
Speaker 1: hope he checked his music out. So here we go.
Speaker 1: Cameron Marlow here on the Bobby Cast. The first time, Cameron,
Speaker 1: I think, I guess I knew about you, But the
Speaker 1: first time that somebody that I was close to was like, hey,
Speaker 1: this Cameron Marlow guys pretty good. Was I'm good friends
Speaker 1: with Jake Owen and we were going out on the boat.
Speaker 1: We were somewhere not here, I don't remember where we were,
Speaker 1: but we had a boat and he was like, I
Speaker 1: was driving, I was listening to one of his playlists
Speaker 1: and everything sounds the same, he said, except for he said,
Speaker 1: you know, Cameron Marlow, I don't know him personally. Night
Speaker 1: you had anyway, he goes, Man, he had a song.
Speaker 1: They was like, this song is so good? Did he
Speaker 1: like post that he did? Man? He uh remember him
Speaker 1: shooting like I guess doing a little story about her.
Speaker 1: So I thought that was pretty cool man, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: he just genuinely was, you know, moving through music, and
Speaker 1: you know what it's like, you hear a lot of
Speaker 1: music songs that you've written, other people have written, songs,
Speaker 1: are on radio songs, and same for him. Hear stuff
Speaker 1: all the time. But he was like, man, this stuff
Speaker 1: just like feels and hits a little different. I love
Speaker 1: that and yeah, I would assume coming from somebody that
Speaker 1: has done it successfully for a long time to have
Speaker 1: that because you didn't ask him his opinion, and that's tough.
Speaker 1: Somebody ask your opinion on something that's tough, and he
Speaker 1: just kind of came out like that's gotta be good, right,
Speaker 1: like like a peer. But also somebody who has has
Speaker 1: done it big is complimenting your work without a doubt, man,
Speaker 1: And it's Uh, it's one of those things where you
Speaker 1: kind of I feel like I have to pinch myself
Speaker 1: sometimes just because I wouldn't ever expect you to be here.
Speaker 1: So what's happening like right now career wise? Is it
Speaker 1: coming so fast at you or does it feel like
Speaker 1: you're so close to it that it's not moving fast
Speaker 1: enough a little bit of both. I feel like when
Speaker 1: I first started this, it was like everything was so quick,
Speaker 1: like gotta get meetings, gotta getting meetings, and then COVID happened,
Speaker 1: and then it was just completely shut down, and then
Speaker 1: we picked back up, and it was like, I think
Speaker 1: I got a little obsessed with it to the point
Speaker 1: where I was like, oh, I don't feel like things
Speaker 1: are happening at all. So I think I'm in all
Speaker 1: three stages. When did you move to town? About four
Speaker 1: years ago? So you were here? How long until COVID
Speaker 1: started to affect things? Um, I'd say about a year.
Speaker 1: Did you feel that you were getting some traction, like
Speaker 1: real traction whenever everything had to stop? I did, man,
Speaker 1: because I put out my first single and it was
Speaker 1: the first thing that I'd ever put out ever, and uh,
Speaker 1: it started blowing up. It was called Giving You Up,
Speaker 1: and it just started rolling and people are listening to it,
Speaker 1: and we had all this momentum with it and taking
Speaker 1: meetings and everybody was excited and getting tour offers and
Speaker 1: things like that. And then it all just kind of
Speaker 1: shut down, and I was like, oh, man, now what
Speaker 1: do we do? What did you do? I just sat
Speaker 1: at the house and wrote a bunch of songs, I think,
Speaker 1: just like everybody else, man, I went back home to
Speaker 1: Carolina and just spend time with the family. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's such a tease. It is right, you got here,
Speaker 1: and it's all right, we like you, let's get some stuff,
Speaker 1: go out, and then you have to fight that fight
Speaker 1: to get back in front of people. I guess, and
Speaker 1: uh so I guess that's kind of what last year
Speaker 1: was about. It was just kind of fighting that fight
Speaker 1: to get back in front of people's faces and rebuild momentum.
Speaker 1: What are you doing now every day here in town?
Speaker 1: Or are you on the road a couple of days
Speaker 1: a week A you're touring constantly right now? We are.
Speaker 1: We took January off just because we toured so crazy
Speaker 1: last year. Um, But yeah, this year is gonna be
Speaker 1: on the road as much as I can, as brighten
Speaker 1: as much as I can. Are you gonna ride on
Speaker 1: the road because that's a different a whole different thing. Man.
Speaker 1: I try and uh, I don't feel like I get
Speaker 1: my favorite songs. I've gotten great songs that are gonna
Speaker 1: go on this next record, but um, writing on the road.
Speaker 1: But it's a whole different mindset. I feel like for me,
Speaker 1: I'm more of a like if I've been show modeum,
Speaker 1: and show mode, if I'm in writing Modeum, in writing mode,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Some of my friends will come right
Speaker 1: off stage and hop right under the bus, you know,
Speaker 1: in the rigs already going and they start writing and
Speaker 1: that's just exhausting. That is man, that's they're better than me.
Speaker 1: And then it's you know, you're on the road for
Speaker 1: two or three four days and you come back and
Speaker 1: you only have a few days. And I'll deal with
Speaker 1: this little bit too. If I'm out doing comedy and
Speaker 1: then doing the radio show, it's that I've only got
Speaker 1: a few days to kind of catch back up, and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to catch up on life stuff and make
Speaker 1: sure bills and dogs and and laundry, laundry. Man, it's like,
Speaker 1: now got to also be creative. So it's just when
Speaker 1: you're touring, it's just hard to be as creative that's possible.
Speaker 1: So you've used this time to just right January, like
Speaker 1: in the last year, do you write a bunch of
Speaker 1: songs in definitely? Man, And like, when you're on the road,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like this group you use all
Speaker 1: that I don't know. I'm kind of an introverted person,
Speaker 1: so like I feel like I when I push out
Speaker 1: all that energy and stuff like that, I have to
Speaker 1: be at home and I just kind of sit in
Speaker 1: silence a little bit. So I don't like have that
Speaker 1: creative flow going. So I have to like just book
Speaker 1: myselves or book myself a like week just to focus
Speaker 1: on writing. I've tried to make this year a year
Speaker 1: where occasionally I get bored. That's a good way to
Speaker 1: do it because and Mike and I were talking about it,
Speaker 1: it's like we're running hot all the time, and if
Speaker 1: you're always run into the next thing, there's no time
Speaker 1: to really gather creativity. And a force creativity. To me,
Speaker 1: I mean, you can get the key in the keyhole,
Speaker 1: but it barely fits. It's like you know, and it's never,
Speaker 1: like you said, I never get my favorite stuff when
Speaker 1: it's a forced I feel like it becomes monotonous at
Speaker 1: that point. And and just like a task, and it's
Speaker 1: a it's job, for sure, it's a job. It's a
Speaker 1: job that we do because we love it and because
Speaker 1: we got to be creative. But it is it's a balance.
Speaker 1: I I'm excited to see how you balance this now
Speaker 1: because you're going on the road, you're playing, your shows
Speaker 1: are getting bigger, obviously, and but now because your record
Speaker 1: came out last year, right that's one month uh September,
Speaker 1: like right like close to last quarter of the last year.
Speaker 1: I should know that, but yeah, so should I I
Speaker 1: knew it was late last year. But and now that
Speaker 1: you have this record that people really like, they're ready
Speaker 1: for new stuff and so but but now you gotta right,
Speaker 1: you gotta get better at the same time. Absolutely, And
Speaker 1: it's crazy, man, I feel like there's been a shift
Speaker 1: in this past couple of years where like there is
Speaker 1: no rules, Like there's not like an album cycle or
Speaker 1: anything like that. It's like people just want to consume
Speaker 1: music all the time. I mean, you put out one
Speaker 1: or you put out forty exactly. It's good and people
Speaker 1: like it, and it's it's within the strategy that you
Speaker 1: can maintain and really give it the love and support
Speaker 1: that it deserves. There is no you're right, there are
Speaker 1: no the ones you make for yourself without a doubt.
Speaker 1: But it's tough to commit to a bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: and then not really have the capacity for it. And
Speaker 1: I think, you know, what's what's good about you is
Speaker 1: you've now worked hard enough that you're about to work
Speaker 1: so hard you want to vomit. And it's sucks and
Speaker 1: it's awesome at the same time. I remember when when
Speaker 1: it happened for me. I was on plane constantly. I
Speaker 1: was working on radio show at three o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 1: I was up on stage you get off at eleven,
Speaker 1: and I was like almost vomiting because you don't get
Speaker 1: enough sleep, you're not eating right, but you're doing all
Speaker 1: this work. And I remember feeling sorry for myself, but
Speaker 1: it was I've worked this hard to get to work
Speaker 1: this freaking hard, and you're there and it's a really
Speaker 1: great thing. I'm super pumped for you. I get I
Speaker 1: appreciate that, and I I get that though, man, because
Speaker 1: like I'll get into that my own de party sometimes
Speaker 1: and that drives me insane. And I think ending last
Speaker 1: year I was in like a real this weird spot
Speaker 1: with that when I was like, man, why do I
Speaker 1: why don't I so like in this weird spot of
Speaker 1: not feeling like I'm doing enough even though I'm doing
Speaker 1: all the all the stuff that I can all the time.
Speaker 1: And that's normal though, rights It's it's absolutely normal. Everybody
Speaker 1: gets in funks and tireds, and but I just have
Speaker 1: to like check myself out of it and go, Man,
Speaker 1: I begged for this. I worked so hard to be
Speaker 1: this time, not right now. I worked so hard to
Speaker 1: get to this point where now I now get to
Speaker 1: be this tired. Yeah, and then eventually you'll kill out
Speaker 1: so much you have to be this tired anymore. You
Speaker 1: got planes, he got five buses. Yeah, it's all a cycle.
Speaker 1: What's how do you say your hometown Cannapolis? What's Cannapolis,
Speaker 1: North Carolina? Like so, uh, it's been through quite a change. Um.
Speaker 1: When I was young, we were a mealtown. It was
Speaker 1: just like cotton meal basically getting linens and stuff like
Speaker 1: that all across the country. Um, when I turned I
Speaker 1: think ten years old, to shut the meal down, and uh,
Speaker 1: it just kind of set empty the town did. There's
Speaker 1: nothing really there. Um until about i'd say three years
Speaker 1: ago we built a cancer research campus downtown where the
Speaker 1: meals used to be. And then now they have a
Speaker 1: baseball park was down there a lot of life back
Speaker 1: into the town. Yeah. Man, it's it's really been cool.
Speaker 1: Like every time I go back home, there's like a
Speaker 1: new building down there. And when I was young, like
Speaker 1: nobody went downtown. It was just it's all it's kind
Speaker 1: of a ghost town. That's exciting. I'm from a town
Speaker 1: of eight hundred people in Mountain Pine, Arkansas. We had
Speaker 1: a saw mill, warehouser and the whole you went to
Speaker 1: work there after school. Almost nobody went to college, but
Speaker 1: you went to work at the mill. And that's what
Speaker 1: you did. But when the mills shut down, very similar,
Speaker 1: the town died. Yeah, man, and people had to mood
Speaker 1: fine jobs And it's super cool to hear you say
Speaker 1: that they built something else there and now new jobs
Speaker 1: and there's like a new economy and it's wild to
Speaker 1: see it. And how many people lived there? Oh? Shoot,
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you. I know when I was young,
Speaker 1: we got five. How many dollar stores you've got, like
Speaker 1: Dollar General, Dollar, Oh, they're all over so not it's
Speaker 1: obviously not super small, but it's still a small town.
Speaker 1: How your high school? How many kids graduated with you? Um?
Speaker 1: I had a hundred kids graduate with me. Small yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so small Yeah, not too bad. Whenever you were in
Speaker 1: high school? What what kid were you that? Cameron is
Speaker 1: the blank kid? I was always the music kid, I'd say, Um,
Speaker 1: I never I thought I'd chase it, but I love Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I just wouldn't. Didn't think it
Speaker 1: was a realistic thing. Did you play? I'm assuming you started.
Speaker 1: This is a lot of assumption here. Now. You started playing,
Speaker 1: or at least singing young, because you're from the South
Speaker 1: North Carolina. To me, the South like singing church girls
Speaker 1: playing the church, So you do that. Did you learn
Speaker 1: to play guitar young? Um? Yeah, i'd say so. About
Speaker 1: when you say music in high school, then were your
Speaker 1: guitar music kid or were you also learning music in
Speaker 1: the band? Oh? Man, I did the band thing for
Speaker 1: a year Marching band. Realized, real cool, that's not how
Speaker 1: you get girls. What instrument? I was a snare drummer,
Speaker 1: so my very first though, I was just out here
Speaker 1: getting him. That made movies about that. That might look
Speaker 1: a lot cooler on the movies though. So you didn't
Speaker 1: like marching Marching band, I didn't, man and Uh. I
Speaker 1: kind of talked to my band teacher there and I
Speaker 1: was like, I want to start a class that, like
Speaker 1: I can learn how to perform and he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. So he started this class called rock band
Speaker 1: and that's kind of like where I started to learn
Speaker 1: how to play guitar and pretty cool. Yeah, so they
Speaker 1: would do that at your school, they would, Man and Uh,
Speaker 1: it was me and like four other kids that was
Speaker 1: in this class. But I didn't take it for granted.
Speaker 1: I loved it, man, I was I just learned how
Speaker 1: to put a band together and things like that, and
Speaker 1: I look back and I'm like, man, that really actually
Speaker 1: kind of helped me. Yeah, I did some kid get
Speaker 1: forced to play the bass? Oh yeah, it's like the
Speaker 1: little brother A lot of times he's forced to play
Speaker 1: bas because a big brother plays guitar. I just figured
Speaker 1: there's some kid in that class. It was like, I, man,
Speaker 1: I wanted to play guitar. So in this class is
Speaker 1: four or five of you guys? And what are they?
Speaker 1: What does he? What's rock band about? Like? Are you
Speaker 1: going in learning about some of the great rock bands?
Speaker 1: Are you individually working on things? There wasn't ever like
Speaker 1: strict like assignment, Like we never had an exam or anything.
Speaker 1: Basically all we did was going there and we learn
Speaker 1: a song a day or try and learn a song
Speaker 1: a day and be able to perform it. We never
Speaker 1: really performed anything with it, but we just tried to
Speaker 1: like make a band. I guess did you guys? Jam
Speaker 1: was that part of the class. Wee kind of figured
Speaker 1: out it was a great third period. Man, that sounds
Speaker 1: pretty awesome. So you're you're singing in church at how old? Oh? Man?
Speaker 1: I started when I was probably six years old. And
Speaker 1: are you singing? Because the baptistchurts and I went to
Speaker 1: growing up. It was really gospel. E wasn't a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff like when we go down here, it's newer music,
Speaker 1: even pop sensibilities, country sensibilities, but ours was old school gospel.
Speaker 1: What was your church music like? Zact same way. I
Speaker 1: went to a small Southern Baptist church too, so it
Speaker 1: was a lot of hymns like Rock of Ages, I
Speaker 1: fly Away, Yeah, absolutely? And so did you love music
Speaker 1: then or was it something that your family was like, hey, Cama,
Speaker 1: we need you to do this, Like when did it
Speaker 1: become kind of a like a burning part of you
Speaker 1: that you wanted to You said you didn't know you
Speaker 1: do it forever, but you wanted to do it years old. Man,
Speaker 1: I loved music, and I knew I did, and I
Speaker 1: knew that I had been gifted to be able to
Speaker 1: play and sing. So I I started, uh just when
Speaker 1: I went to college. I went to study music, but
Speaker 1: I didn't make it long in college. But I um,
Speaker 1: like basically to make side money, I would go play
Speaker 1: random places, playing cover songs and just kind of set
Speaker 1: up in the corner of a bar and just uh
Speaker 1: take tip money if they'd give it. To me or
Speaker 1: if they were paying, I wouldn't. I would just try
Speaker 1: and do it and enjoy it. Would you love playing
Speaker 1: the most when it comes to came to cover songs
Speaker 1: like or what did you know you were gonna get
Speaker 1: paid the most if you did? Oh? I knew if
Speaker 1: I did like the newest songs out, I would get
Speaker 1: tip more. But I love like older stuff for some reason, man,
Speaker 1: Like I love Ray Charles and Steven Ray Vaughan and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, Like I love that blues heavy like
Speaker 1: real singabowl kind of melodies and things like that. So
Speaker 1: I grew up loving a lot of older country music
Speaker 1: like George Jones because I mean his voice was one
Speaker 1: of my favorites, and and getting into like that Blue
Speaker 1: Side with Great Charles and P. B. King and that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Um, your parents did you grow up
Speaker 1: with both parents? Are they both still alive? Are they
Speaker 1: together still? Okay? I just want to make sure if
Speaker 1: I get into these questions. Um, So either one of
Speaker 1: your parents musical at all? Um? I think my dad
Speaker 1: sang when he was really young, and I don't think
Speaker 1: and my mom saying when she was younger, but not
Speaker 1: so much that you were heavily influenced. No, No, they're
Speaker 1: just sang in a church kind of thing, like everybody
Speaker 1: did choir and stuff in the church. When you tell
Speaker 1: them that you want to be uh, full time songwriter, artist, musician,
Speaker 1: full time different than playing during college or high school
Speaker 1: or like what do they say to that? Um? They
Speaker 1: knew I was pretty miserable at the job I had.
Speaker 1: I was basically selling car parts for General Motors. And
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I think I'm a
Speaker 1: chassist in Nashville and they were a hundred percent behind me.
Speaker 1: I mean I came to town. I slipped on an
Speaker 1: air mattress for about six months before I could get
Speaker 1: a little or not a real bed, but like a little.
Speaker 1: That's where we need to get in that market, the
Speaker 1: rental bed market. Yeah, I have sounds gross. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: rent one, but I rent them out. So you're twenty
Speaker 1: one or so when you move here. So you move
Speaker 1: here at twenty one, and where do you live on
Speaker 1: an air mattress? Donaldson with two other guys. I met
Speaker 1: him at red door randomly and they were like, man,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a house. And I was like all right,
Speaker 1: and they were like, you should move here, and that's
Speaker 1: kind of where my wheel started turning. You were a
Speaker 1: red door from home. You came from North Carolina. Came
Speaker 1: from North Carolina. I was traveling up here quite a bit. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm not feeling in these pieces, but I feel if
Speaker 1: you mess it, I'll go back to it, thank you.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah. But I was just kind of traveling back
Speaker 1: and forth, just trying to meet as many people as
Speaker 1: I could understand the town. I didn't know what anything
Speaker 1: about the music business was like. I didn't know what
Speaker 1: a publisher was, a record label, what they really did,
Speaker 1: or anything like that. So I was just trying to
Speaker 1: learn as much as I could. What was the first
Speaker 1: time that you came to Nashville. You could have been
Speaker 1: whenever you decided that you were gonna come to Nashville
Speaker 1: and you were gonna try to figure out music, but
Speaker 1: you weren't moving here yet. You remember the first time
Speaker 1: you came here? Just explore? Yeah, definitely, what do you
Speaker 1: do in that time? I'm always curious because it's not
Speaker 1: like you know some songwriters already. You're the first time.
Speaker 1: What do you do? Definitely? And I had met some
Speaker 1: friends that had been coming up and like back from Nashville,
Speaker 1: so they kind of took me around. I did the
Speaker 1: Broadway thing. So they were from North Carolina. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got it. Yeah, And uh then they were like, well,
Speaker 1: we gotta go to Midtown. That's where all the industry
Speaker 1: people hang out. And I thought that was cool. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh man, And so I went down here
Speaker 1: and uh just kind of talk to as many people
Speaker 1: that that would talk to me and tried to set
Speaker 1: up rights. And I was being that guy at Red
Speaker 1: Door and be like, oh, we should write some time.
Speaker 1: So did that work? Did you make rights? Did? I did?
Speaker 1: And I would travel up as much as my job
Speaker 1: would let me to get up here and try and write.
Speaker 1: And I was writing terrible songs. Well you have to
Speaker 1: before you can write kind of terrible then pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta know how to write bad without a doubt.
Speaker 1: So you move here and you're move in a house
Speaker 1: with some dudes you didn't know except you met at
Speaker 1: Red Door. How did that roommate situation go for you?
Speaker 1: It actually went really well. Um. I just met them
Speaker 1: through mutual people at the bar, and they were like
Speaker 1: basically said they were getting a house, and I honestly
Speaker 1: kind of blew it. Off. I was like, they're never
Speaker 1: gonna call me back to see And two weeks later
Speaker 1: they're like, we found a house. This is when we're
Speaker 1: moving in. This is down payment. And I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, so I guess we're gonna do it. And
Speaker 1: that's what actually got you to move here, was them going, hey,
Speaker 1: we got this, let's go. It was I had to
Speaker 1: play a show that night. I picked up a show
Speaker 1: just so I could bake that down payment to be
Speaker 1: able to move up here. And I just packed my
Speaker 1: stuff the next week and moved to town. And what'd
Speaker 1: your parents say as you drove off or moved away?
Speaker 1: Good luck on the butt? Yeah, good luck. I mean
Speaker 1: they they've always known that I wanted this, like deep down,
Speaker 1: they didn't know that I would chase it this hard.
Speaker 1: I think they felt like I was gonna move back
Speaker 1: after a while, but once this thing started moving around
Speaker 1: or moving along, they've just always been their supporting me. Man.
Speaker 1: I've been very blessed by that. How did you start
Speaker 1: making money here? What was your first paying job? Um?
Speaker 1: I don't do you have any jobs here that weren't music.
Speaker 1: I went straight in to it, so you go straight
Speaker 1: into it. How do you start making any money at all. Broadway.
Speaker 1: I'm played Broadway like crazy man. Old Red was very
Speaker 1: good to me. They've had me on like three three
Speaker 1: times a week, so I was able to make good
Speaker 1: tip money and uh good check as well. So I
Speaker 1: was actually doing better here than I was back in Carolina.
Speaker 1: How long were those sets? Three hours? And at times
Speaker 1: do you have the phone in front of you, like
Speaker 1: on the stand and you know you're playing as you go.
Speaker 1: I have to imagine again that that makes you actually
Speaker 1: a better player though, just out there for three hours,
Speaker 1: learning by doing it in the pressure of eyeballs on
Speaker 1: you all the time, and the pressure of if you're
Speaker 1: not good, they're not going to tip you exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's there is a weird pressure there because like it's
Speaker 1: they're not really there to see you, as much as
Speaker 1: you want to think that they are. They're there to
Speaker 1: have lunch and have drinks and hang out with their buddies,
Speaker 1: But you've steal in the back of your mind want
Speaker 1: to command them to pay attention. So that's when like
Speaker 1: you have to kind of take the bricks off and
Speaker 1: sing as hard as you can to try and back
Speaker 1: and pay attention. What's a big night. What was a
Speaker 1: big night? Tip wise? It all read and what night
Speaker 1: would make the most tip? Ah? Man. I actually never
Speaker 1: did nights, so I was always the early day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was early day. But the best day I made
Speaker 1: I think I made five hundred bucks and I about
Speaker 1: lost my mind. I was excited. But what was so
Speaker 1: different about that that day? Just a bunch of bachelor
Speaker 1: parties came. It wasn't you like I was really feeling it? Man,
Speaker 1: my g chrd. It was so, you're playing all these shows.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you were getting better as a
Speaker 1: songwriter even in the middle of you hustling to make money? Definitely,
Speaker 1: because every night I would try and song right with somebody.
Speaker 1: It didn't matter if I was playing two shifts that
Speaker 1: day or whatever it was. I was still trying to
Speaker 1: song right every day. How long do you live with
Speaker 1: those guys? I lived there for about two years and
Speaker 1: then they ended up moving. Did you guys have any
Speaker 1: big I hate you? You ate my bread? No? Nothing
Speaker 1: like that. Man. It was actually somehow by the greatest
Speaker 1: guy I was asking. I was like, Wow, what a situation.
Speaker 1: It really it really worked out great, man. We all
Speaker 1: became friends and we still talk all together all the time.
Speaker 1: Still yeah, are they still in music? No? Neither one
Speaker 1: of them, man, But that's what they came down here
Speaker 1: to chase. I was a lucky one that got to
Speaker 1: keep going. Are they gone from Nashville? They are ones
Speaker 1: in South Carolina, ones in Chicago now the most folks,
Speaker 1: because I don't get to know folks until they're starting
Speaker 1: to get to a certain place the most like when
Speaker 1: you move here and there all the people to move
Speaker 1: here at the same time, kind of your class? Did
Speaker 1: most of them not stay that? Most of them hit
Speaker 1: a wall and go, you know what, this isn't for me.
Speaker 1: Either they're hear a songwrite or two to be an artist?
Speaker 1: Did they go back home? I'd say you. Out of
Speaker 1: my initial group that I like hung around and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, there was three of us that have really
Speaker 1: stayed and kept chasing it. Of how many I would say, probably, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's some electrician. I haven't really thought about that, but yeah, man,
Speaker 1: miss him, get him crying on this? Did you fall
Speaker 1: off stage? But it was like it was like on
Speaker 1: Morgan's tour what happened there? I just took one step
Speaker 1: too many and I thought I had one more step
Speaker 1: of stage left and I was just about to say
Speaker 1: thank you all so much, and I woke threw my
Speaker 1: hands up to say thank you all, and just went
Speaker 1: straight down. So how bad where you hurt versus how
Speaker 1: bad were you scared or embarrassed? Um, I would say
Speaker 1: embarrassment was through the roof hurt. I didn't feel the
Speaker 1: pain initially, I just kind of jumped up and ran off.
Speaker 1: I went and got checked out and then started getting
Speaker 1: a little stiff. But now, man, I went to a chiropractor.
Speaker 1: I think she messed me up or so once before
Speaker 1: I've I've been limping and stuff now and if cold
Speaker 1: mornings get me so, I'm like, oh man, I got
Speaker 1: a long road ahead. Wait? How long ago? Was this? Five?
Speaker 1: Six months ago? That's what I thought, because I remember
Speaker 1: seeing the video or like it was a grainy yeah somebody,
Speaker 1: and you're still like feeling the effects. Oh yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I got that like nerve pain goes downy legs now,
Speaker 1: I feel real old. Oh man, I'll be hi, that's
Speaker 1: that sucks. But how's it going on on that tour?
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's that was blast. I got to learn
Speaker 1: a lot from them. I mean, I'm trying and learn
Speaker 1: from everybody that I'm around, but I mean they there's
Speaker 1: nobody more professional than Wallance Camp and Hardy's camp, So
Speaker 1: learning from them and getting to hang with those guys,
Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're tough much. There's this song during
Speaker 1: morgan set where Hardy comes up from under the ground.
Speaker 1: He went to Jared Man that that moment, that that's
Speaker 1: a cool moments, an epic moment. I mean again, I
Speaker 1: feel like I've seen it all at this point, and
Speaker 1: it went to Morgan's show. It was good. It's just
Speaker 1: I mean, I know Morgan and things that happened to
Speaker 1: a sudden, Hardy shoots up and they hit that song.
Speaker 1: God dang yeah energy man, Yeah, it's some energy there.
Speaker 1: That was legit. Where do the blues? Why are you
Speaker 1: a fan of the blues? Like? How did that get
Speaker 1: to you? Um? The singing? I think the but who
Speaker 1: exposed you to your grandparents? They like blues music. I
Speaker 1: just kind of when I got Spotify one day and
Speaker 1: I just kind of went down a rabbit hole of
Speaker 1: like chasing that kind of stuff. And I didn't really
Speaker 1: get into Ray Charles until I watched that Ray movie. Really,
Speaker 1: I heard all that all that music off there I
Speaker 1: was like, man, this stuff is great. So I just
Speaker 1: went down that rabbit hole and just became a massive
Speaker 1: fan of him. And I just love the way that
Speaker 1: he kind of commands somebody when he speaks, and I
Speaker 1: mean when he sings, and it's almost like it's gospel
Speaker 1: e in its own way. My my grandma was a
Speaker 1: massive Ray Charles fan, but I was introduced to him
Speaker 1: through modern sounds of country music and because she was
Speaker 1: from from Arkansas, and anybody from Arkansas was a god
Speaker 1: to her because nobody came out of Arkansas and so
Speaker 1: if they did, obviously Johnny Cash was massive to her.
Speaker 1: So he listened to a lot of Johnny Cash, but
Speaker 1: also a lot of Ray Charles. But I really just
Speaker 1: knew him as Ray Charles who did the gospel records
Speaker 1: and modern sounds of country music until you get older
Speaker 1: and you were lized. He was also a big pop
Speaker 1: star too, of all those big songs. But man, talk
Speaker 1: about like soul and You're right, command is a good
Speaker 1: word for him when when he would perform, at least
Speaker 1: through watching videos of him, Yeah, definitely, I was watching
Speaker 1: the because you brought up, I was watching the Uh
Speaker 1: George and Tammy watch because you brought him up a
Speaker 1: second ago to watch that back and the fact they
Speaker 1: did not if they would have had social media. Dude,
Speaker 1: talk about crazy And I've talked to some old timers
Speaker 1: now who would talk to old timers about George Jones
Speaker 1: and how for a lot of time was out of control,
Speaker 1: Like we think that some of those nineties alternative guys
Speaker 1: or Motley Crewe or yeah, that's that. That that was.
Speaker 1: I think that was easy stuff. I was watching with
Speaker 1: my wife and in the first scene they're taping up
Speaker 1: his legs so he can't bend him that makes him
Speaker 1: walk out on stage, and she was like, is this real?
Speaker 1: I was like, from what I've heard it was this
Speaker 1: Crazy is a good series that the guy who plays
Speaker 1: George Jones, what's his name, Mike, Mike. Wasn't he so good? Yeah?
Speaker 1: He was, man, he did great and sounded just like him.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, Jessica chaftin't get sing. I didn't
Speaker 1: need it, but I thought I thought that you Stairs
Speaker 1: was so good and I didn't get into it, going
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna love this because I thought maybe
Speaker 1: they would take some liberties, and I'm sure they did
Speaker 1: take a few but I did you watch all of it,
Speaker 1: like all six episodes, eight episode. I have one last
Speaker 1: episode that I watched. It's like you think people you
Speaker 1: think people go hard, Now that's when they went hard.
Speaker 1: You ain't kidding, man, Yeah, some of those early episodes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: watching the like the just the pills and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I'm scared to take advil. Like
Speaker 1: I don't like take a medicine at all. I can
Speaker 1: imagine doing stuff like that. Are you getting it all
Speaker 1: out of your system right now? What do you mean?
Speaker 1: Have you got out of your system? Like the whiskey,
Speaker 1: the you know, I'd say I have, man. I when
Speaker 1: on my very first tour, I was lucky enough to
Speaker 1: go out with Brad Paisley, and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is what rock stars do. This is this is
Speaker 1: how I need to be. I need to be drunk
Speaker 1: all the time and just like really enjoy myself. And
Speaker 1: I think, man, I was started to hurt and it
Speaker 1: just my mind was cloudy all the time, and like
Speaker 1: I still have like a whiskey drink far going stage.
Speaker 1: He kind of calms your nerves and everything in modern ration,
Speaker 1: even mediumation, as long as it's not affecting what your
Speaker 1: day to day is absolutely or as long as you're
Speaker 1: not being controlled by it without a doubt. And that's
Speaker 1: the big thing, because I never want to be a
Speaker 1: person that feels like they're controlled by substance, by any means,
Speaker 1: whether it's marijuana, any anything, and it's uh so I
Speaker 1: just kind of backed away from it and kind of
Speaker 1: got that out of my system a little bit. Your
Speaker 1: grandma smoke weed, right, didn't you find out? She spoke
Speaker 1: when you wrote a song about that? So how do
Speaker 1: I ask this? Okay, how did you find out? I
Speaker 1: came over to her house high and she smelled it
Speaker 1: on me, and she kind of I thought she was
Speaker 1: gonna rip me a new one, and she was like,
Speaker 1: we need to get talk. She takes me back to her,
Speaker 1: to her room and she's like acting all mad at me,
Speaker 1: and my grandpa's laughing in the kitchen and I could
Speaker 1: hear him, and uh about that time, she pulls out
Speaker 1: jar weed and rolling papers and rolls up a joint
Speaker 1: and then we smoked before breakfast at More and she's
Speaker 1: say anything like, don't go telling anybody else about this.
Speaker 1: She told me just not to tell a church. Now,
Speaker 1: her church is probably they probably heard the story told
Speaker 1: a couple of times. Now, So did she give you
Speaker 1: any advice during that, because I would imagine if your
Speaker 1: grandma's with you and she's like, hey, let's sit down.
Speaker 1: You think you're in trouble, You're not in trouble. You
Speaker 1: actually have something in common. That's like, that's a cool moment.
Speaker 1: It was, man, yeah, that's a cool moment. But I
Speaker 1: don't know if we had much advice. You don't remember.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't remember. Breakfast was good that. Um I
Speaker 1: read a story to about you. But you're away young,
Speaker 1: you're planning to propose to your girl, and the story
Speaker 1: there was a story because you wrote a song. Whatever.
Speaker 1: I say whatever because that to me, that wasn't the headline.
Speaker 1: I think you were the fact that you were maybe nineteen.
Speaker 1: I was twenty years old. I was planning on getting crape. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm looking back, I was white out of lot what
Speaker 1: came from it. It's like, why are you trying to propose?
Speaker 1: A kid? And I didn't realize how much I had
Speaker 1: to learn. And at twenty years old, I thought I
Speaker 1: was growing up because I had like the boy job
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, this is like this is
Speaker 1: what people do back home. They get married early, and
Speaker 1: uh they settled down. And that's kind of what I
Speaker 1: saw life as. So when it didn't work out, that's
Speaker 1: kind of another reason why I moved to Nashville. I
Speaker 1: was like to get away, and then I found so
Speaker 1: much more life out here that I didn't even know
Speaker 1: I hadn't lived yet. Well what a blessing, though, without
Speaker 1: a doubt, because you were okay, so walk me through
Speaker 1: what you were gonna propose. You have to get a
Speaker 1: little vulnerable here to share some some stuff that makes
Speaker 1: you feel not as in control. But you were gonna
Speaker 1: propose that you did propose. No, I was going to propose.
Speaker 1: I was two weeks away, ever ring, I had a ring,
Speaker 1: and you were two weeks away. Then what happened? She say,
Speaker 1: I don't want to get married. She was in college
Speaker 1: and she we basically like I went over to her
Speaker 1: college one night and uh, we're just kind of talking
Speaker 1: and I could feel things were a little off, and
Speaker 1: uh so I walk her or we walk outside kind
Speaker 1: of walking back to my truck, and uh, she was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I just don't think this is gonna
Speaker 1: work out anymore. She was like I want to experience
Speaker 1: college with them or and I mean just the normal
Speaker 1: shoes growing up to you. So I don't hold it
Speaker 1: against it or hold it against it any you were kids, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we were literally kids. So yeah, so it
Speaker 1: worked out for the better. Thank god. You was extremely mature,
Speaker 1: without a doubt. That's one of those where at the
Speaker 1: time you're like, I'm never gonna get over this. This sucks.
Speaker 1: So what was the song you wrote after that? Giving
Speaker 1: you Up? So that was the That was the very
Speaker 1: first song I put out. So we have these new
Speaker 1: rules and it's so stupid, okay, because well you don't.
Speaker 1: You can do whatever you want, but we can't play
Speaker 1: clips of songs anymore because we get sued all the time.
Speaker 1: So Mike, we've never done this before. But what we
Speaker 1: should do is because we we'd come on and we'd
Speaker 1: played the whole hook of giving you up, and you'd
Speaker 1: be like data, and then we wouldn't get sued. It
Speaker 1: would be a great day, you know that. That was
Speaker 1: every time we did one of these, we wouldn't get suited.
Speaker 1: We play some clips, So don't sing it hard, but
Speaker 1: give me like them giving you up like melody. If
Speaker 1: you were just kind of mumbling it. So Coulson, Oh,
Speaker 1: I can't say words. You can do whatever I want,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to pressure. You'd have to sing
Speaker 1: because I did not warm you up. No, you've because
Speaker 1: I'm giving you slack. I did in marble lights, him
Speaker 1: giving you that's a good one. We can't get suit
Speaker 1: for that, right if he sings it, we can't get well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna yeah. Um, So when you put a
Speaker 1: song out like that, or when you just record a
Speaker 1: song like that, do you send it to her after
Speaker 1: you write it? Oh, I'll send it out a spike man.
Speaker 1: Oh heck yeah? And do you do you just? Do
Speaker 1: you send it out of you recorded on your iPhone
Speaker 1: after you finished, or do you wait and go into
Speaker 1: a studio or you do it at the house? Like,
Speaker 1: how did she get the first version of that? Um?
Speaker 1: I think it was after the studio. I sent her
Speaker 1: the rough out of the studio. But how long from
Speaker 1: when you guys broke up till you made her rough
Speaker 1: out of the studio? Probably a year? Dang, you waited
Speaker 1: a year to hit her with that. We had talked
Speaker 1: in between A year later She's like, what is this
Speaker 1: a file? Giving you the camera in a year. Do
Speaker 1: you tell her it's coming? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I had
Speaker 1: told her and I was like, well, this is like
Speaker 1: I have a song, and uh I didn't. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I I guess in my young mind, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to like open any more doors by like
Speaker 1: playing something like that and then when I was gonna
Speaker 1: come out and I didn't want to get blindsided by
Speaker 1: so I just or did you really just wanted to
Speaker 1: hear it a little both? Yeah, I mean human nature. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, listen, how good I am? Now? Really
Speaker 1: messed this up and now? And I ponderr ring like
Speaker 1: that's what I'm that was? That was it? Uh So
Speaker 1: you signed a record deal like um, you know, and
Speaker 1: things are happening, pandemic, that happens. I mean when when
Speaker 1: you sign a record deal, I would just think at
Speaker 1: least I would be like, oh, about to rock. This
Speaker 1: is gonna be awesome. A record deal with a major
Speaker 1: label to get the stadiums ready, and that's that's the
Speaker 1: first thing. You think. It's like, oh, I'm going you
Speaker 1: don't work. Yeah, you don't see the work at all,
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh man, this everything just fell into place.
Speaker 1: I'm about to be arena headline toward next year. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be great. And uh, then you realize, oh wait,
Speaker 1: I gotta really work like I'm just a baby, like
Speaker 1: nobody artist. I don't know aboudy know me. When you
Speaker 1: came to the studio and played Falsome Prison, I just remember,
Speaker 1: and I've heard again ten thousand people play that song.
Speaker 1: God dang it is. It was so powerful and your
Speaker 1: tone there's a big part of it, not just you
Speaker 1: being loud as she do. And I didn't know you
Speaker 1: from being on the Voice. If a wire is getting
Speaker 1: across stop you here. You were on the Voice, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't know you from being on the Voice, but
Speaker 1: I remember a video seeing a video of of that post,
Speaker 1: which is why I think we were like, hey, come
Speaker 1: in and play the song. And to have a lot
Speaker 1: of people know you from playing that song. Do you
Speaker 1: ever want to not play that song? Do you feel
Speaker 1: the pressure to play that song even though it's a
Speaker 1: cover and but a lot of people know and discovered
Speaker 1: you from that song. No, Uh, I actually enjoy it
Speaker 1: because I never did that one on the Voice. I
Speaker 1: just kind of came up with that at the house
Speaker 1: one day and uh, it just like I said what
Speaker 1: it was. I must have just seen a collection of
Speaker 1: videos because I'm I watch all your videos at home alone.
Speaker 1: I take videos of you and you aren't looking. But
Speaker 1: that one blew up though, right, or wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: said to me? Yeah, okay, So you don't feel the
Speaker 1: pressure because it went viral to play it, No, I'm
Speaker 1: and it's part of our set. But if we hopef
Speaker 1: we take it out, it doesn't hurt my feelings, I'll do.
Speaker 1: I love playing it, yes, oh great, and that's awesome
Speaker 1: if you love playing I played every freaking Sea's like twice,
Speaker 1: like I want to write more songs that are in
Speaker 1: that vein. So I love having that kind of I
Speaker 1: didn't know if you would get annoyed by having to
Speaker 1: place or feeling like there was a pressure I need
Speaker 1: to play something that you did previously that went viral.
Speaker 1: I think I get more annoyed from from some of
Speaker 1: the songs that I don't feel like I wrote to
Speaker 1: the best of my ability that I sang every night,
Speaker 1: like even giving You Up being one of the first
Speaker 1: songs that I really wrote. Um, like, I feel more
Speaker 1: pressure to play it, and I did that covert for
Speaker 1: some reason. Yeah, but you have played that big. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to, and you're all the goal is to
Speaker 1: always feel that way. Honestly, in three years, you want
Speaker 1: to be annoyed at the songs you just wrote, now,
Speaker 1: fair enough, because it means you've grown. I will hear
Speaker 1: or read old jokes that even I wrote two years ago,
Speaker 1: or here's and I'm like, oh, like, I'm almost embarrassed.
Speaker 1: But man if I wasn't and I was just the same,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, yeah, I look at that's
Speaker 1: still rocking, I would feel on surface good, but I
Speaker 1: would go, man, I guess I'm just not get any better.
Speaker 1: But when I do see a clip of me telling
Speaker 1: a joke or doing a bit on I'm like and
Speaker 1: and it does make me cringe a little bit. Like
Speaker 1: you said, you're embarrassing in these songs you wrote. Like
Speaker 1: then I'm like, that's awesome. That means I'm actually getting better.
Speaker 1: That's that's a good way to look at him. And
Speaker 1: I had never looked at it like that. But I
Speaker 1: make me want to vomit. I'm so over me. I
Speaker 1: hate me. Sometimes I spend my whole career life every
Speaker 1: day it's all me, me, me, MEI because that's the
Speaker 1: business that I'm in and I'm over me and so
Speaker 1: I look I'm and the fact that you talked about
Speaker 1: that's great, that makes you've grown so much as a songwriter.
Speaker 1: Good man, Like, I like, that's a I can't talk.
Speaker 1: That's a good way to look at it is because
Speaker 1: if I don't, I'll go crazy if I don't. And
Speaker 1: also I avoid listening to me. Will you listen? I
Speaker 1: was gonna ask, what's the deal on that? Will you
Speaker 1: listen to a live show that you did well you recorded?
Speaker 1: Will you listen to work? Like? What's what's your rules
Speaker 1: on not going crazy? Um? Okay? Work tapes? If I'm
Speaker 1: I know that I really truly love the song like
Speaker 1: a ton if I listen to the work tape like
Speaker 1: four or five times on a row, what an Yeah,
Speaker 1: So i'll know if like, if I love that song
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, I'm probably gonna put this song out,
Speaker 1: I'll catch myself wanting to go back and listen to it.
Speaker 1: If I'm gonna listen to it like once or twice,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll put it in the pile. And if
Speaker 1: I don't listen to it, yeah, I will never say it.
Speaker 1: Let do you ever do the thing because you're a
Speaker 1: real artist and I'm a junior varsity. But I'll write
Speaker 1: something funny, a funny song, and I can't listen to
Speaker 1: it for a while because I'm so close to it,
Speaker 1: and in the middle of writing it, I started to
Speaker 1: second guess everything. And then it's to me, it's not
Speaker 1: even good anymore, about halfway through the writing, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this sucks. It's not funny. I suck. I'm not funny.
Speaker 1: My career is over, so I have to take and
Speaker 1: I'll put it back without a doubt, and then I'll
Speaker 1: have some separation and like two months later, one of
Speaker 1: my buddies, so I'll write it with I'll be like, dude,
Speaker 1: this song we wrote a hobby lobby is freaking awesome,
Speaker 1: and he's like, what month are we in? But I
Speaker 1: have to do that because I'm too close to it
Speaker 1: at the time. Without it, do you are you able
Speaker 1: to have that perspective? Or can you write a song
Speaker 1: stay with it? No, it's good the whole time and
Speaker 1: be like, let's go. I kind of did that with
Speaker 1: my album and like where I fell in love with
Speaker 1: those songs and I got got in the studio pretty
Speaker 1: quick to cut them, and then I was like, by
Speaker 1: the time they all got done, I was like, oh man,
Speaker 1: it's anybody even gonna listen to this because it was
Speaker 1: in my mind so much so before we even put
Speaker 1: it out. I didn't listen to the album until probably
Speaker 1: right before we sent it to get mastered. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, yeah, I believe in this.
Speaker 1: Is this you trusting Dan? Yeah, definitely. I trust him
Speaker 1: with my wife man me and him, or we've we've
Speaker 1: gotten so locked in over the over this record. I'd
Speaker 1: say that we just put out because we did a
Speaker 1: couple of odds before that weren't my favorite sonically, And
Speaker 1: he even agrees with me with that, where he's like,
Speaker 1: we we didn't really nail these, and uh. I just
Speaker 1: kind of took that with a grain AsSalt when we
Speaker 1: went back into the studio for the record and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, we know where we're going now. So
Speaker 1: me and him really work together, which I kind of
Speaker 1: was in the back seat, and that was to my
Speaker 1: own fault, like I did that on purpose because I
Speaker 1: was kind of letting him him guide the ship. But
Speaker 1: he really he works really well when somebody else is
Speaker 1: giving him direction. So when you say, sonically, is it
Speaker 1: your voice is a guitar tone? Is it? What are like?
Speaker 1: Who are you now? As far as no, not even musically,
Speaker 1: but um, son I want to stay sonically because musically
Speaker 1: you can write from these places and you know what
Speaker 1: you want to say and why you want to say it.
Speaker 1: But who are you? If I just listen to a
Speaker 1: song for the sake of just turning it on and
Speaker 1: hearing it and not listening, I'm all over the place, man,
Speaker 1: And uh, I don't mean to be, but I love
Speaker 1: so many different styles of music. Um, you'll hear a
Speaker 1: little blues, you'll hear a little rock. Um do you
Speaker 1: fiddle with tone on guitar all the time without it? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah my best friends that are guitar player. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Like stop it sounds exactly the same, dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of a habit. And I've become like, not you,
Speaker 1: you should keep doing sure, But that's how I feel.
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's no difference in the two tones. It's
Speaker 1: like when I'm at the eye doctor, it's like, what
Speaker 1: about this one? What about this one? It's the same one? Yes,
Speaker 1: So why are you giving me differently, but you're like
Speaker 1: you just constantly for that perfect time constantly man, and uh,
Speaker 1: sometimes to a fault like where I'll like get obsessed
Speaker 1: with it, like bassed tone. For me, it's such a
Speaker 1: big thing, and like you, we're making that joke about bass,
Speaker 1: but like bass is such an integral part to to
Speaker 1: the song and the way that the song feels. And uh,
Speaker 1: if the bass doesn't have the right roundness or the
Speaker 1: right flatness or however it should sound it, it really
Speaker 1: can throw a song off, at least in my ears.
Speaker 1: I bet you listen to music so different, dude. I
Speaker 1: missed the days when I could just listen to a
Speaker 1: song and listen to a song that those were the
Speaker 1: I bet you have that. Yeah, um, and I have
Speaker 1: certain things in my career are on the same thing
Speaker 1: where I just can't enjoy it because I know, and
Speaker 1: I've spent so much time in the middle of it,
Speaker 1: start learning too much. I know, and I listen to
Speaker 1: it a whole different way now. I don't have always
Speaker 1: that with music like you do. Also, because you're really
Speaker 1: good and not You're not just a great singer, like
Speaker 1: you're a real life musician, And there's a difference. But
Speaker 1: I bet you it's hard for you to listen to
Speaker 1: anything without trying to pick it apart unless it's something
Speaker 1: old that you have been any four that you've loved
Speaker 1: for a little of doubt. And even then I'll go
Speaker 1: back and I'll be like, man, I thought this record
Speaker 1: was so much bigger, like and you listen back and
Speaker 1: there's like four instruments on it, because like, how did
Speaker 1: they make that sound so big back in the day?
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, well, maybe our stuff sounds big.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. I just keep kind of
Speaker 1: wandering around in those worlds, and you'll never stop wandering, honestly.
Speaker 1: And to think of these artists that got in the
Speaker 1: same room, even if talking about Georgia Tammy and they
Speaker 1: would show the back, the background singer and the piano player,
Speaker 1: the baseball. They had to be in the same room
Speaker 1: and play at the same time, and it all had
Speaker 1: to all right. Here we go three eight of them
Speaker 1: don't and they be perfect or close to it or
Speaker 1: that's just what got on the record. Absolutely, And man,
Speaker 1: we actually we just went back into into the studio
Speaker 1: not too long ago to cut some more songs, and
Speaker 1: we we did it that way, which was fun. We
Speaker 1: did it all the tape because I wanted I wanted
Speaker 1: that realness. I wanted some of those mess ups to
Speaker 1: be on these new songs and kind of makeing it
Speaker 1: just a little bit of a classic or classic class
Speaker 1: that classic classic. Did you listen to a lot of classics?
Speaker 1: I listened a lot of classic rock growing up. Sixties
Speaker 1: and seventies. Definitely was that. Does that influence how you're
Speaker 1: making music now? Without a doubt? Man? Uh? Seventies rock
Speaker 1: from me, seventies and eighties rock was where my dad
Speaker 1: listened to more than anything. My grandpa is where I
Speaker 1: learned all my country music through UM. And then my
Speaker 1: mom was just I guess she was more than that
Speaker 1: nineties rock. What she loves She loves some Nickelback, So
Speaker 1: I arned. We had we had the nickel Back on
Speaker 1: the show today. I've never met Chad was in Chad Krueger.
Speaker 1: I was calling Kroger. Oh shoot, I didn't know that anything. Well,
Speaker 1: he didn't tell anybody that like a year ago, and
Speaker 1: so I'd always I wasten Knickelback like crazy. I was younger.
Speaker 1: We had him on the phone once, but he came
Speaker 1: in today, a lot of energy, right, Mike, it was
Speaker 1: good and and talks very dirty. He's very much a
Speaker 1: rock star. He's like, I'm sure it was a rock
Speaker 1: star like the band. They told me that I couldn't
Speaker 1: get a song with the first line, Uh put her
Speaker 1: pants around ankles on the radio and we were like,
Speaker 1: we're listening to this going what's he where's he going?
Speaker 1: Where's what's happening here? And he goes, you know what,
Speaker 1: number one hit a rock radio first line? She had
Speaker 1: her pants around right, And I'm like, all right, we'll
Speaker 1: put that on the podcast on later. So what your parents?
Speaker 1: What did they do white when you were a kid.
Speaker 1: My mom was like a eye technician, so she worked
Speaker 1: at the ode doctor for a while, and then my
Speaker 1: dad used to work at a I don't even I
Speaker 1: still have no idea what he did. He was like
Speaker 1: a raw chemical engineer for five Yeah, I hear Mike Spive.
Speaker 1: He made magnets for the inside. Hey wait wait, yeah,
Speaker 1: Sherry did, buddy. He carried blueberries from city to city. Olga. Uh,
Speaker 1: your TikTok or sponse has been strong, and I still
Speaker 1: figured it out. I don't know what the heck I'm
Speaker 1: doing on but but you've still been able to do
Speaker 1: really cool things on there at same time without a doubt.
Speaker 1: And isn't that kind of what TikTok is is the
Speaker 1: fact that the raw stuff really does do better most
Speaker 1: of the time. It does, man, And I spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time hating it. I think I out of
Speaker 1: jealousy watching other people just blow the heck up and
Speaker 1: be like, why can't I do anything like that? And uh,
Speaker 1: I had to like kind of get my mind out
Speaker 1: of that and get my mindset out of that to
Speaker 1: be like, man, these people are just trying to do
Speaker 1: the same thing I'm doing. They're just using a different
Speaker 1: platform to do it. And once I figured that and
Speaker 1: flip that switch, I was like, man, this is this
Speaker 1: is actually a really cool tool and a really cool
Speaker 1: way to discover new artists. That's it. It's a cool tool.
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. I have a friend of mine who's
Speaker 1: just won't get on TikTok and he's a big artist,
Speaker 1: and he's like, you know, I don't want to like
Speaker 1: be tiktoki, and I'm like, bro, being tiktoki may have
Speaker 1: been a thing like two years ago, but now it's
Speaker 1: just like anything else, like they're all roads, you're all on.
Speaker 1: You're you're on the road, going all from places, like
Speaker 1: just use it so people can find you and maybe
Speaker 1: they want to find everything else you've done. You don't
Speaker 1: have to get on, do dances, you get on. Just
Speaker 1: play your songs. That's it. And if nobody watches it, okay,
Speaker 1: nobody knew was there anyway. If they don't watch, it's
Speaker 1: not you're not embarrassing yourself. And he was like, I
Speaker 1: just don't want to do TikTok. And I said to him,
Speaker 1: you will do TikTok. You will, And you're gonna six
Speaker 1: months after you're gonna be like why didn't I start earlier?
Speaker 1: And I said, and I'm not going to be supportive.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like, yeah, that's right, idiot, because I
Speaker 1: told you to get on TikTok. And so yeah, like
Speaker 1: I think you thrive there because you sound so good
Speaker 1: even when it doesn't matter what the acoustics are, if
Speaker 1: it can be a microphone with a speaker, bathroom or
Speaker 1: just in a room where the acoustics are terrible, Like
Speaker 1: you have that voice that kind of takes command, you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier. Rah Charles, like, that's you in
Speaker 1: a different way. And I like the one you did
Speaker 1: in your speedo Like I thought that was I thought
Speaker 1: it was brave. Yeah, definitely a brave Uh So what's
Speaker 1: the deal with the new music you're talking about? Recording songs? Man?
Speaker 1: Just uh like, what's like when? When? What? What can
Speaker 1: you tell me? We've got no rules anymore? Man, I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of I'm not saying anything when you say
Speaker 1: there are no rules. Oh man, I'm just I'm putting
Speaker 1: out whatever I kind of feel like right now. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's uh, I don't really I have a
Speaker 1: project in mind. Yeah, whether these songs aren't recording now
Speaker 1: we're gonna live on that project or just be random
Speaker 1: singles that I throw out, I don't know yet. I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of I'm just recording the songs that I love.
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm gonna hopefully have a song out next month.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll see February. Yeah, that's what he's saying. Hopefully
Speaker 1: who who makes that final call? I do, But it's uh,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a song that's a little bit more
Speaker 1: dear to my heart that I was kind of in
Speaker 1: a dark spot when I wrote it, and it's called
Speaker 1: take Me Home to Carolina or take Me Home, um
Speaker 1: and uh, it was kind of written like right at
Speaker 1: the end of the year, right during Cmas, and I
Speaker 1: was just like, I was kind of pissed, and it's
Speaker 1: kind of a as much as I didn't want it
Speaker 1: to be, it's kind of an f you to the industry.
Speaker 1: And I learned a lot about it or about myself
Speaker 1: when I was writing it and being like, why why
Speaker 1: am I so bitter towards things that I can't control?
Speaker 1: So that song, I'm just putting it out as a
Speaker 1: voice momo. It's gonna be like a voice momo. That's
Speaker 1: my master basically, and just you can master a voice
Speaker 1: of them, I guess. So that's what they told me.
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of fus to the industry. Mine
Speaker 1: aren't rarely that well received. I hope you're oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I hope your song and it's like, hey, this is
Speaker 1: a good song. My fews don't end very well for
Speaker 1: me sometimes. Well, man, I'm super pumped for you. You're
Speaker 1: like really good. Appreciate them and not just everybody's really
Speaker 1: good here, I mean, everybody's a good absolutely. If if
Speaker 1: I see you at this point, you're pretty good with
Speaker 1: the possibile being really good. But and I may have
Speaker 1: told you this, when you're up in the in the
Speaker 1: in the room with us, it's rare that somebody comes
Speaker 1: in and those other people care in my room because
Speaker 1: those are all my friends who didn't get into this
Speaker 1: for any other reason except they were my friends, like
Speaker 1: Amy and Lunchbox and Eddie, those all my friends. They
Speaker 1: didn't they were like, yeah, we'll do the show with you.
Speaker 1: So they didn't get in because they have some sort
Speaker 1: of some sort of love for they like music. Everybody
Speaker 1: likes music, and sometimes people love music for different reasons,
Speaker 1: but they don't. They didn't. They don't care enough to
Speaker 1: be moved. But you came and performed and you walked
Speaker 1: out and they were like, god dang. They were like
Speaker 1: that's that. They're like, that's they don't say that about anybody,
Speaker 1: maybe one or two people a year. So yeah, that's
Speaker 1: like my my lasting impression of you, it was when
Speaker 1: you walked out, all those people that usually don't care
Speaker 1: cared and that's really cool. And like Jake, for example, cared.
Speaker 1: He didn't know you thinking back and putting all those
Speaker 1: dots together it's I mean, that's that's really cool. How
Speaker 1: that all happened. It was like, you know this guy,
Speaker 1: Nope heard of him. Listen to this song? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. And then we were I'd seen that
Speaker 1: video of you um doing the spot. No, I have that,
Speaker 1: that's on my phone. I watched one all the time.
Speaker 1: I've seen that and maybe as I saw that one
Speaker 1: and maybe as a voice video two, and we were like,
Speaker 1: let's get him up the show. Then you did that,
Speaker 1: and then it was just it's just really cool. Do
Speaker 1: you leave like a trail of like authenticity appreciate it?
Speaker 1: And that's hard to do here. Man, That's hard to
Speaker 1: do in this town because everybody's just trying to get it.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody's trying to get it. Who. I just
Speaker 1: asked you a couple more questions because I'm just interested
Speaker 1: you as a person. If you were to create like
Speaker 1: the four people in this town that have been good
Speaker 1: to you, that can mean they gave you food when
Speaker 1: you're hungry, they gave you a record deal when you
Speaker 1: were good, They put you on a tour. Who are
Speaker 1: the four people in this town that you would put
Speaker 1: on your amount rushmore people have been good to Cameron. Uh,
Speaker 1: I would say my manager and my girlfriend. Um, wait,
Speaker 1: are the same person? You said it so quickly. No,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I was. I knew those two are my Like,
Speaker 1: say their names to your manager, so Megan, my girlfriend,
Speaker 1: my manager, Caitlin it And then um, i'd say Anthony
Speaker 1: de Vincenzo, he's always been great to me, And um,
Speaker 1: who's Anthony de Vincenzo. That's her my manager's boyfriend, and
Speaker 1: what and he scrubs or no, he's just don't want
Speaker 1: to know how they've affected you. Okay, I'm sorry. They
Speaker 1: they've all just had my back in this in this
Speaker 1: town where if I'm even in the roughest spot that
Speaker 1: I could possibly be in, they've always kept kept me
Speaker 1: grounded and kept me reminding who I am as a person.
Speaker 1: And I feel like it's really easy to lose yourself
Speaker 1: when you get into town and get into this industry,
Speaker 1: especially when you start to make it a little bit.
Speaker 1: You can give yourself real quick. I agree, man, And uh,
Speaker 1: I think I don't know, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: speak for everybody, but when you start going from headline
Speaker 1: shows and like selling out a show and then go
Speaker 1: to a fair or something like that that where maybe
Speaker 1: four or people show up, you really have to check
Speaker 1: yourself because your ego will start getting big and they
Speaker 1: keep the grounding and I appreciate them for that. Who's
Speaker 1: the fourth one? I let's say, uh, can it be
Speaker 1: like a conglomerate? It can be whatever you want? All right,
Speaker 1: my sony family, They've been really good to me, man,
Speaker 1: They've they've really let me steer the ship when it
Speaker 1: comes to my career in the music that I want
Speaker 1: to make, and I respect that no one's ever asked.
Speaker 1: Can maybe I conglomerate questions that have been asked back? Um? Now,
Speaker 1: let's do this professionally only and you don't even have
Speaker 1: to meet him. But like artist wise, who do you
Speaker 1: put up on those four as? Like your favorites? If
Speaker 1: you only got four artists to listen to for the
Speaker 1: rest of your life, their bodies of work would be
Speaker 1: there for you. Wow, let's go George Jones, We'll go
Speaker 1: Kings of Leon, We'll go Brooks and Done and George
Speaker 1: straight you met the Brooks and Done guys. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: They're awesome. Just for dyous. Ronnie is one of the
Speaker 1: coolest guys ever. Man, he's yeah. Ever like he's a
Speaker 1: dear friend, and it's crazy to think that who I
Speaker 1: listened to and idolized musically growing up. We go to
Speaker 1: dinner with our wives, that to me is bizarre, and
Speaker 1: there are times where we're there and I'm like, it's
Speaker 1: like I cannot believe what is happening. Do you have
Speaker 1: those moments here now with some of the people that
Speaker 1: look at you and go, dude, you're really good but
Speaker 1: you're like, no, but you're really better without a doubt man.
Speaker 1: And it's so what's so cool about running done is like, dude,
Speaker 1: he sounds I feel like better now. It doesn't even
Speaker 1: make sense, Like you see his show and it's like, hole,
Speaker 1: how does how does this even happen? He We've got
Speaker 1: my wife and I got married a year and a half.
Speaker 1: So I go back here in the back and Ronnie
Speaker 1: saying at our wedding and you know, there's two hundred
Speaker 1: fifty people, three people there and it's we you know,
Speaker 1: built a little place back there for the reception. And
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I see, I'll sing whatever you want.
Speaker 1: And so he comes out and he does Neon Moon
Speaker 1: and not only does your Neon Moon, he like does
Speaker 1: the breakdown part. Hey, he's like doing runs. That's pretty
Speaker 1: cool man, And he's somebody's so good. Still. The crazy
Speaker 1: thing is he has somebody in his eater is telling
Speaker 1: the words all the time. Dude, why not? I would
Speaker 1: have prompt up, prompt her up? You have somebody back
Speaker 1: there you having to hear and sing. Just put a
Speaker 1: prompter up so you can see the words. I don't
Speaker 1: want to do that. He's like, then I'll look old, bro.
Speaker 1: I put I tell jokes. I put a prompt o
Speaker 1: my jokes down there. Dude, if I could figure out
Speaker 1: how to run one of those things, I'll do it
Speaker 1: in a hard But you're not supposed to run it yourself.
Speaker 1: Like somebody to run it? Can you by him singing
Speaker 1: running the prompt your rolling it up? Yeah? Do you
Speaker 1: feel like you have to be sad to write sad songs? No,
Speaker 1: I'm actually opposite, alright, happy songs when I'm sad and
Speaker 1: said songs when I'm happy. Okay, what does that mean
Speaker 1: to you? I don't know. I don't know why I'm
Speaker 1: like that. I think about it. Why do you think
Speaker 1: will end on this? Maybe one more? Why do you
Speaker 1: think you write happy songs when you're sad. I think
Speaker 1: I try and change the perspective and I try and
Speaker 1: change and put myself in a different spot. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a creative thing that I do,
Speaker 1: but it's just kind of how my mind works when
Speaker 1: I'm writing songs. What's the saddest song that you have? Oh?
Speaker 1: Song called break It, and it's not out. It's just
Speaker 1: a song that I wrote. And Uh, it's like, are
Speaker 1: you gonna put it out? I'm Mike, how's it going?
Speaker 1: Give me a little bit of that that deal again?
Speaker 1: Where you do that? She's a little singy breaking news.
Speaker 1: I gotta think I hadn't listened to the song and
Speaker 1: song I'll sing it break Uh, it's basically the hook
Speaker 1: is I'd rather lose it or lose you than break it. Basically,
Speaker 1: I'd rather lose us or lose this relationship than keep
Speaker 1: breaking your heart over and over and over again. And uh,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a cool song, man, what's the saddest
Speaker 1: song You've ever heard? I just had this conversation yesterday
Speaker 1: and just to see you smile, it's actually not supposed
Speaker 1: to be this like love song. And once I heard
Speaker 1: that and found that out and listen back to it.
Speaker 1: It is sad, and you look wonderful tonight. You look wonderful.
Speaker 1: To know. Everyone thinks that A is like a real
Speaker 1: happy so, but it's actually not happy. He's like, hurry
Speaker 1: the freak up. It's not like I love it. There
Speaker 1: are also upbeat songs that are very touching. The and
Speaker 1: I would have walked five hundred you know that song.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what that song is about. Well,
Speaker 1: what's the most beautiful thing ever? It's like I would
Speaker 1: walk five hundred miles and I would walk five hundred
Speaker 1: more just to see the look on your face because
Speaker 1: I've been so in love with you. But when you
Speaker 1: have those two do no, no, no no, it kind
Speaker 1: of makes it this big, jovial song. But it's such
Speaker 1: a beautiful song. That is. It's, you know, an upbeat song,
Speaker 1: but it's really cool to hear some of those up
Speaker 1: beat songs that are really sad and just see smiles
Speaker 1: kind of a mid tempo, but that feels like just
Speaker 1: who so you smile? I do. It's a happy but
Speaker 1: it's really not really what it feels like. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's he stopped loving her today. God dang. Yeah, have
Speaker 1: you ever heard Broken Window serenade? Huh, you should check
Speaker 1: that on out. It's by Whiskey Myers and it is
Speaker 1: that wouldn't make you sad? That one was like, but
Speaker 1: it's meant to make you sad, Like it's about some
Speaker 1: girl I get hooked on drugs and ends up passing away.
Speaker 1: Uh diamonds gasoline, but who's that? But I know, I know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like if I don't give you a diamond, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I've gotta have gas links I get out of here.
Speaker 1: Oh man, man, that is it too. That's a jam.
Speaker 1: We can sit there and do sad songs. We'll cry
Speaker 1: on each other's shoulder. Sad songs are my favorite me too.
Speaker 1: I want it slow, I want to understand the words.
Speaker 1: I want to like feel it r e M. Everybody
Speaker 1: hurts one of my favorite songs. Everybody to play it
Speaker 1: all the time, just alone. I wasn't even sad. I'd
Speaker 1: just be like, play it. I wanted to get sad. Look,
Speaker 1: we've we talked about it. This. This has been awesome.
Speaker 1: You guys follow Cameron, but the K they get a
Speaker 1: lot of seas. Yeah, Cameron with a K Marlowe, I
Speaker 1: mean even your last name spelled a little difficult camera.
Speaker 1: If I'm being honest, there's still time to change it
Speaker 1: with a sea And um, you guys follow Cameron. Uh,
Speaker 1: we were Cowboys came out in September. So at last year,
Speaker 1: he says, there are no rules and he's just gonna
Speaker 1: put out voicemails. He leaves people apparently songs at this point, voicemails. Um,
Speaker 1: really looking forward to. I don't want to say what's next,
Speaker 1: but I want to say I'm really looking forward to.
Speaker 1: You know what what what you decide? What path you
Speaker 1: decided to walk down, you know, because you're gonna go
Speaker 1: down a bunch of them. You have so many different,
Speaker 1: like really cool influences. Your music is gonna sound different
Speaker 1: over two or three or four projects, which is super
Speaker 1: cool because again you do have such a blues and
Speaker 1: old country and new like the Infant And I'm just
Speaker 1: super excited to see where this goes, man, and then
Speaker 1: where it goes after that. Appreciate that's really cool. I'm
Speaker 1: a fan. And when you drove up, your truck was
Speaker 1: too big for the security camera. Now did you hear
Speaker 1: me out there? Yeah? I gotta he put the button
Speaker 1: and and and be honestly, I was on the toilet
Speaker 1: and camera pulls up and all I see's a truck door.
Speaker 1: It's like, I was like, hello, he goes Cameron, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I guess that's camera in what kind
Speaker 1: of gas elege? I think it actually does really well
Speaker 1: really yeah, it's good. All right, all right, look I've
Speaker 1: said it all. I like you a lot, appreciate Yeah, cool,
Speaker 1: my can think for Cameron. Alright, Camera Marlow, You guys
Speaker 1: follow it. And when you put out a new like
Speaker 1: maybe next month, is that a new single or is
Speaker 1: that just a song to kind of chum the water,
Speaker 1: just chum the water. Just let me know when you
Speaker 1: get that that when you're ready again, come on back up,
Speaker 1: do it again. Let's do it. Let's do it again,
Speaker 1: all right, Camera Marlow, everybody