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Speaker 1: I don't do you have any jobs here that weren't music.

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00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,040
Speaker 1: I went straight in to it, so you go straight

427
00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,520
Speaker 1: into it. How do you start making any money at all. Broadway.

428
00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,640
Speaker 1: I'm played Broadway like crazy man. Old Red was very

429
00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,640
Speaker 1: good to me. They've had me on like three three

430
00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,960
Speaker 1: times a week, so I was able to make good

431
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,720
Speaker 1: tip money and uh good check as well. So I

432
00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,080
Speaker 1: was actually doing better here than I was back in Carolina.

433
00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,920
Speaker 1: How long were those sets? Three hours? And at times

434
00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:21,639
Speaker 1: do you have the phone in front of you, like

435
00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,919
Speaker 1: on the stand and you know you're playing as you go.

436
00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,280
Speaker 1: I have to imagine again that that makes you actually

437
00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,879
Speaker 1: a better player though, just out there for three hours,

438
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,439
Speaker 1: learning by doing it in the pressure of eyeballs on

439
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:33,760
Speaker 1: you all the time, and the pressure of if you're

440
00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,960
Speaker 1: not good, they're not going to tip you exactly. Yeah,

441
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,520
Speaker 1: It's there is a weird pressure there because like it's

442
00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:40,639
Speaker 1: they're not really there to see you, as much as

443
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,000
Speaker 1: you want to think that they are. They're there to

444
00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,439
Speaker 1: have lunch and have drinks and hang out with their buddies,

445
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,320
Speaker 1: But you've steal in the back of your mind want

446
00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,159
Speaker 1: to command them to pay attention. So that's when like

447
00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,560
Speaker 1: you have to kind of take the bricks off and

448
00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:53,680
Speaker 1: sing as hard as you can to try and back

449
00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,760
Speaker 1: and pay attention. What's a big night. What was a

450
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,080
Speaker 1: big night? Tip wise? It all read and what night

451
00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,800
Speaker 1: would make the most tip? Ah? Man. I actually never

452
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,960
Speaker 1: did nights, so I was always the early day. Yeah,

453
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,280
Speaker 1: I was early day. But the best day I made

454
00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:08,800
Speaker 1: I think I made five hundred bucks and I about

455
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,800
Speaker 1: lost my mind. I was excited. But what was so

456
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 1: different about that that day? Just a bunch of bachelor

457
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 1: parties came. It wasn't you like I was really feeling it? Man,

458
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:24,719
Speaker 1: my g chrd. It was so, you're playing all these shows.

459
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,320
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you were getting better as a

460
00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:33,200
Speaker 1: songwriter even in the middle of you hustling to make money? Definitely,

461
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,680
Speaker 1: because every night I would try and song right with somebody.

462
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 1: It didn't matter if I was playing two shifts that

463
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 1: day or whatever it was. I was still trying to

464
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:41,800
Speaker 1: song right every day. How long do you live with

465
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 1: those guys? I lived there for about two years and

466
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,120
Speaker 1: then they ended up moving. Did you guys have any

467
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,359
Speaker 1: big I hate you? You ate my bread? No? Nothing

468
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,200
Speaker 1: like that. Man. It was actually somehow by the greatest

469
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 1: guy I was asking. I was like, Wow, what a situation.

470
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 1: It really it really worked out great, man. We all

471
00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 1: became friends and we still talk all together all the time.

472
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 1: Still yeah, are they still in music? No? Neither one

473
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,919
Speaker 1: of them, man, But that's what they came down here

474
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 1: to chase. I was a lucky one that got to

475
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 1: keep going. Are they gone from Nashville? They are ones

476
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 1: in South Carolina, ones in Chicago now the most folks,

477
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,879
Speaker 1: because I don't get to know folks until they're starting

478
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 1: to get to a certain place the most like when

479
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 1: you move here and there all the people to move

480
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 1: here at the same time, kind of your class? Did

481
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 1: most of them not stay that? Most of them hit

482
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 1: a wall and go, you know what, this isn't for me.

483
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 1: Either they're hear a songwrite or two to be an artist?

484
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 1: Did they go back home? I'd say you. Out of

485
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 1: my initial group that I like hung around and stuff

486
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 1: like that, there was three of us that have really

487
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 1: stayed and kept chasing it. Of how many I would say, probably, Wow,

488
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 1: that's some electrician. I haven't really thought about that, but yeah, man,

489
00:21:49,400 --> 00:22:00,159
Speaker 1: miss him, get him crying on this? Did you fall

490
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:05,679
Speaker 1: off stage? But it was like it was like on

491
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 1: Morgan's tour what happened there? I just took one step

492
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 1: too many and I thought I had one more step

493
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 1: of stage left and I was just about to say

494
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 1: thank you all so much, and I woke threw my

495
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: hands up to say thank you all, and just went

496
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: straight down. So how bad where you hurt versus how

497
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: bad were you scared or embarrassed? Um, I would say

498
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: embarrassment was through the roof hurt. I didn't feel the

499
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 1: pain initially, I just kind of jumped up and ran off.

500
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: I went and got checked out and then started getting

501
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 1: a little stiff. But now, man, I went to a chiropractor.

502
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 1: I think she messed me up or so once before

503
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 1: I've I've been limping and stuff now and if cold

504
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 1: mornings get me so, I'm like, oh man, I got

505
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 1: a long road ahead. Wait? How long ago? Was this? Five?

506
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,160
Speaker 1: Six months ago? That's what I thought, because I remember

507
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,360
Speaker 1: seeing the video or like it was a grainy yeah somebody,

508
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 1: and you're still like feeling the effects. Oh yeah, man,

509
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: I got that like nerve pain goes downy legs now,

510
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 1: I feel real old. Oh man, I'll be hi, that's

511
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 1: that sucks. But how's it going on on that tour?

512
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's that was blast. I got to learn

513
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: a lot from them. I mean, I'm trying and learn

514
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: from everybody that I'm around, but I mean they there's

515
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: nobody more professional than Wallance Camp and Hardy's camp, So

516
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: learning from them and getting to hang with those guys,

517
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're tough much. There's this song during

518
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: morgan set where Hardy comes up from under the ground.

519
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: He went to Jared Man that that moment, that that's

520
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: a cool moments, an epic moment. I mean again, I

521
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: feel like I've seen it all at this point, and

522
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: it went to Morgan's show. It was good. It's just

523
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 1: I mean, I know Morgan and things that happened to

524
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: a sudden, Hardy shoots up and they hit that song.

525
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 1: God dang yeah energy man, Yeah, it's some energy there.

526
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 1: That was legit. Where do the blues? Why are you

527
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 1: a fan of the blues? Like? How did that get

528
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: to you? Um? The singing? I think the but who

529
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: exposed you to your grandparents? They like blues music. I

530
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 1: just kind of when I got Spotify one day and

531
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: I just kind of went down a rabbit hole of

532
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: like chasing that kind of stuff. And I didn't really

533
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: get into Ray Charles until I watched that Ray movie. Really,

534
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: I heard all that all that music off there I

535
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 1: was like, man, this stuff is great. So I just

536
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: went down that rabbit hole and just became a massive

537
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 1: fan of him. And I just love the way that

538
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: he kind of commands somebody when he speaks, and I

539
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 1: mean when he sings, and it's almost like it's gospel

540
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: e in its own way. My my grandma was a

541
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: massive Ray Charles fan, but I was introduced to him

542
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: through modern sounds of country music and because she was

543
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: from from Arkansas, and anybody from Arkansas was a god

544
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 1: to her because nobody came out of Arkansas and so

545
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: if they did, obviously Johnny Cash was massive to her.

546
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: So he listened to a lot of Johnny Cash, but

547
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: also a lot of Ray Charles. But I really just

548
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 1: knew him as Ray Charles who did the gospel records

549
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: and modern sounds of country music until you get older

550
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: and you were lized. He was also a big pop

551
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 1: star too, of all those big songs. But man, talk

552
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: about like soul and You're right, command is a good

553
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: word for him when when he would perform, at least

554
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: through watching videos of him, Yeah, definitely, I was watching

555
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: the because you brought up, I was watching the Uh

556
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: George and Tammy watch because you brought him up a

557
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: second ago to watch that back and the fact they

558
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: did not if they would have had social media. Dude,

559
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: talk about crazy And I've talked to some old timers

560
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: now who would talk to old timers about George Jones

561
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: and how for a lot of time was out of control,

562
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: Like we think that some of those nineties alternative guys

563
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: or Motley Crewe or yeah, that's that. That that was.

564
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: I think that was easy stuff. I was watching with

565
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: my wife and in the first scene they're taping up

566
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: his legs so he can't bend him that makes him

567
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: walk out on stage, and she was like, is this real?

568
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: I was like, from what I've heard it was this

569
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: Crazy is a good series that the guy who plays

570
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: George Jones, what's his name, Mike, Mike. Wasn't he so good? Yeah?

571
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 1: He was, man, he did great and sounded just like him.

572
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: And I don't know, Jessica chaftin't get sing. I didn't

573
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: need it, but I thought I thought that you Stairs

574
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 1: was so good and I didn't get into it, going

575
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna love this because I thought maybe

576
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: they would take some liberties, and I'm sure they did

577
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: take a few but I did you watch all of it,

578
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: like all six episodes, eight episode. I have one last

579
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: episode that I watched. It's like you think people you

580
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: think people go hard, Now that's when they went hard.

581
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: You ain't kidding, man, Yeah, some of those early episodes. Yeah,

582
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: watching the like the just the pills and stuff like that,

583
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I'm scared to take advil. Like

584
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: I don't like take a medicine at all. I can

585
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: imagine doing stuff like that. Are you getting it all

586
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: out of your system right now? What do you mean?

587
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 1: Have you got out of your system? Like the whiskey,

588
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: the you know, I'd say I have, man. I when

589
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: on my very first tour, I was lucky enough to

590
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: go out with Brad Paisley, and I was like, Oh,

591
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: this is what rock stars do. This is this is

592
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: how I need to be. I need to be drunk

593
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: all the time and just like really enjoy myself. And

594
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: I think, man, I was started to hurt and it

595
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: just my mind was cloudy all the time, and like

596
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: I still have like a whiskey drink far going stage.

597
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: He kind of calms your nerves and everything in modern ration,

598
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 1: even mediumation, as long as it's not affecting what your

599
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: day to day is absolutely or as long as you're

600
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: not being controlled by it without a doubt. And that's

601
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: the big thing, because I never want to be a

602
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: person that feels like they're controlled by substance, by any means,

603
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: whether it's marijuana, any anything, and it's uh so I

604
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,479
Speaker 1: just kind of backed away from it and kind of

605
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: got that out of my system a little bit. Your

606
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: grandma smoke weed, right, didn't you find out? She spoke

607
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: when you wrote a song about that? So how do

608
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: I ask this? Okay, how did you find out? I

609
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: came over to her house high and she smelled it

610
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: on me, and she kind of I thought she was

611
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: gonna rip me a new one, and she was like,

612
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: we need to get talk. She takes me back to her,

613
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: to her room and she's like acting all mad at me,

614
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: and my grandpa's laughing in the kitchen and I could

615
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: hear him, and uh about that time, she pulls out

616
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: jar weed and rolling papers and rolls up a joint

617
00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: and then we smoked before breakfast at More and she's

618
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 1: say anything like, don't go telling anybody else about this.

619
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: She told me just not to tell a church. Now,

620
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: her church is probably they probably heard the story told

621
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: a couple of times. Now, So did she give you

622
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: any advice during that, because I would imagine if your

623
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: grandma's with you and she's like, hey, let's sit down.

624
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: You think you're in trouble, You're not in trouble. You

625
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: actually have something in common. That's like, that's a cool moment.

626
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: It was, man, yeah, that's a cool moment. But I

627
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: don't know if we had much advice. You don't remember.

628
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't remember. Breakfast was good that. Um I

629
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: read a story to about you. But you're away young,

630
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: you're planning to propose to your girl, and the story

631
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: there was a story because you wrote a song. Whatever.

632
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: I say whatever because that to me, that wasn't the headline.

633
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: I think you were the fact that you were maybe nineteen.

634
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: I was twenty years old. I was planning on getting crape. Man,

635
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm looking back, I was white out of lot what

636
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: came from it. It's like, why are you trying to propose?

637
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:56,239
Speaker 1: A kid? And I didn't realize how much I had

638
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: to learn. And at twenty years old, I thought I

639
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: was growing up because I had like the boy job

640
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, this is like this is

641
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: what people do back home. They get married early, and

642
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: uh they settled down. And that's kind of what I

643
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: saw life as. So when it didn't work out, that's

644
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: kind of another reason why I moved to Nashville. I

645
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: was like to get away, and then I found so

646
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: much more life out here that I didn't even know

647
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: I hadn't lived yet. Well what a blessing, though, without

648
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: a doubt, because you were okay, so walk me through

649
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: what you were gonna propose. You have to get a

650
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: little vulnerable here to share some some stuff that makes

651
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: you feel not as in control. But you were gonna

652
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: propose that you did propose. No, I was going to propose.

653
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: I was two weeks away, ever ring, I had a ring,

654
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: and you were two weeks away. Then what happened? She say,

655
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to get married. She was in college

656
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: and she we basically like I went over to her

657
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: college one night and uh, we're just kind of talking

658
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: and I could feel things were a little off, and

659
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: uh so I walk her or we walk outside kind

660
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: of walking back to my truck, and uh, she was like,

661
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: you know what, I just don't think this is gonna

662
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: work out anymore. She was like I want to experience

663
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: college with them or and I mean just the normal

664
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: shoes growing up to you. So I don't hold it

665
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: against it or hold it against it any you were kids, yeah,

666
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: I mean we were literally kids. So yeah, so it

667
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: worked out for the better. Thank god. You was extremely mature,

668
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: without a doubt. That's one of those where at the

669
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: time you're like, I'm never gonna get over this. This sucks.

670
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: So what was the song you wrote after that? Giving

671
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: you Up? So that was the That was the very

672
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: first song I put out. So we have these new

673
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: rules and it's so stupid, okay, because well you don't.

674
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: You can do whatever you want, but we can't play

675
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: clips of songs anymore because we get sued all the time.

676
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: So Mike, we've never done this before. But what we

677
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: should do is because we we'd come on and we'd

678
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: played the whole hook of giving you up, and you'd

679
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: be like data, and then we wouldn't get sued. It

680
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: would be a great day, you know that. That was

681
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: every time we did one of these, we wouldn't get suited.

682
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: We play some clips, So don't sing it hard, but

683
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: give me like them giving you up like melody. If

684
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: you were just kind of mumbling it. So Coulson, Oh,

685
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: I can't say words. You can do whatever I want,

686
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: but I don't want to pressure. You'd have to sing

687
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: because I did not warm you up. No, you've because

688
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm giving you slack. I did in marble lights, him

689
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: giving you that's a good one. We can't get suit

690
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: for that, right if he sings it, we can't get well, yeah,

691
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: you're not gonna yeah. Um, So when you put a

692
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: song out like that, or when you just record a

693
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: song like that, do you send it to her after

694
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: you write it? Oh, I'll send it out a spike man.

695
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: Oh heck yeah? And do you do you just? Do

696
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: you send it out of you recorded on your iPhone

697
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: after you finished, or do you wait and go into

698
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: a studio or you do it at the house? Like,

699
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: how did she get the first version of that? Um?

700
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: I think it was after the studio. I sent her

701
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: the rough out of the studio. But how long from

702
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: when you guys broke up till you made her rough

703
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: out of the studio? Probably a year? Dang, you waited

704
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: a year to hit her with that. We had talked

705
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: in between A year later She's like, what is this

706
00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: a file? Giving you the camera in a year. Do

707
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: you tell her it's coming? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I had

708
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: told her and I was like, well, this is like

709
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: I have a song, and uh I didn't. I don't

710
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: know if I I guess in my young mind, I

711
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: didn't want to like open any more doors by like

712
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: playing something like that and then when I was gonna

713
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: come out and I didn't want to get blindsided by

714
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: so I just or did you really just wanted to

715
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: hear it a little both? Yeah, I mean human nature. Yeah,

716
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: I'd be like, listen, how good I am? Now? Really

717
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: messed this up and now? And I ponderr ring like

718
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: that's what I'm that was? That was it? Uh So

719
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: you signed a record deal like um, you know, and

720
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: things are happening, pandemic, that happens. I mean when when

721
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: you sign a record deal, I would just think at

722
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: least I would be like, oh, about to rock. This

723
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: is gonna be awesome. A record deal with a major

724
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: label to get the stadiums ready, and that's that's the

725
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: first thing. You think. It's like, oh, I'm going you

726
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: don't work. Yeah, you don't see the work at all,

727
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh man, this everything just fell into place.

728
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 1: I'm about to be arena headline toward next year. It's

729
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: gonna be great. And uh, then you realize, oh wait,

730
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: I gotta really work like I'm just a baby, like

731
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: nobody artist. I don't know aboudy know me. When you

732
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: came to the studio and played Falsome Prison, I just remember,

733
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: and I've heard again ten thousand people play that song.

734
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: God dang it is. It was so powerful and your

735
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: tone there's a big part of it, not just you

736
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: being loud as she do. And I didn't know you

737
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: from being on the Voice. If a wire is getting

738
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: across stop you here. You were on the Voice, right, Okay,

739
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know you from being on the Voice, but

740
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: I remember a video seeing a video of of that post,

741
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: which is why I think we were like, hey, come

742
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: in and play the song. And to have a lot

743
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: of people know you from playing that song. Do you

744
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: ever want to not play that song? Do you feel

745
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: the pressure to play that song even though it's a

746
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: cover and but a lot of people know and discovered

747
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: you from that song. No, Uh, I actually enjoy it

748
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: because I never did that one on the Voice. I

749
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: just kind of came up with that at the house

750
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: one day and uh, it just like I said what

751
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: it was. I must have just seen a collection of

752
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: videos because I'm I watch all your videos at home alone.

753
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: I take videos of you and you aren't looking. But

754
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: that one blew up though, right, or wouldn't have been

755
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: said to me? Yeah, okay, So you don't feel the

756
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 1: pressure because it went viral to play it, No, I'm

757
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: and it's part of our set. But if we hopef

758
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: we take it out, it doesn't hurt my feelings, I'll do.

759
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 1: I love playing it, yes, oh great, and that's awesome

760
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: if you love playing I played every freaking Sea's like twice,

761
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: like I want to write more songs that are in

762
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: that vein. So I love having that kind of I

763
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: didn't know if you would get annoyed by having to

764
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: place or feeling like there was a pressure I need

765
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: to play something that you did previously that went viral.

766
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: I think I get more annoyed from from some of

767
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: the songs that I don't feel like I wrote to

768
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: the best of my ability that I sang every night,

769
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: like even giving You Up being one of the first

770
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: songs that I really wrote. Um, like, I feel more

771
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: pressure to play it, and I did that covert for

772
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: some reason. Yeah, but you have played that big. Yeah,

773
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: you have to, and you're all the goal is to

774
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: always feel that way. Honestly, in three years, you want

775
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: to be annoyed at the songs you just wrote, now,

776
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: fair enough, because it means you've grown. I will hear

777
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: or read old jokes that even I wrote two years ago,

778
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: or here's and I'm like, oh, like, I'm almost embarrassed.

779
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: But man if I wasn't and I was just the same,

780
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, yeah, I look at that's

781
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: still rocking, I would feel on surface good, but I

782
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: would go, man, I guess I'm just not get any better.

783
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: But when I do see a clip of me telling

784
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: a joke or doing a bit on I'm like and

785
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: and it does make me cringe a little bit. Like

786
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: you said, you're embarrassing in these songs you wrote. Like

787
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: then I'm like, that's awesome. That means I'm actually getting better.

788
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: That's that's a good way to look at him. And

789
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: I had never looked at it like that. But I

790
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: make me want to vomit. I'm so over me. I

791
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: hate me. Sometimes I spend my whole career life every

792
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: day it's all me, me, me, MEI because that's the

793
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: business that I'm in and I'm over me and so

794
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: I look I'm and the fact that you talked about

795
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 1: that's great, that makes you've grown so much as a songwriter.

796
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: Good man, Like, I like, that's a I can't talk.

797
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: That's a good way to look at it is because

798
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: if I don't, I'll go crazy if I don't. And

799
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: also I avoid listening to me. Will you listen? I

800
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: was gonna ask, what's the deal on that? Will you

801
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: listen to a live show that you did well you recorded?

802
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: Will you listen to work? Like? What's what's your rules

803
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: on not going crazy? Um? Okay? Work tapes? If I'm

804
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: I know that I really truly love the song like

805
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: a ton if I listen to the work tape like

806
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: four or five times on a row, what an Yeah,

807
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: So i'll know if like, if I love that song

808
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, I'm probably gonna put this song out,

809
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: I'll catch myself wanting to go back and listen to it.

810
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: If I'm gonna listen to it like once or twice,

811
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll put it in the pile. And if

812
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: I don't listen to it, yeah, I will never say it.

813
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: Let do you ever do the thing because you're a

814
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: real artist and I'm a junior varsity. But I'll write

815
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: something funny, a funny song, and I can't listen to

816
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: it for a while because I'm so close to it,

817
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: and in the middle of writing it, I started to

818
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: second guess everything. And then it's to me, it's not

819
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: even good anymore, about halfway through the writing, and I'm like,

820
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 1: this sucks. It's not funny. I suck. I'm not funny.

821
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: My career is over, so I have to take and

822
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: I'll put it back without a doubt, and then I'll

823
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: have some separation and like two months later, one of

824
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: my buddies, so I'll write it with I'll be like, dude,

825
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: this song we wrote a hobby lobby is freaking awesome,

826
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: and he's like, what month are we in? But I

827
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: have to do that because I'm too close to it

828
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,959
Speaker 1: at the time. Without it, do you are you able

829
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: to have that perspective? Or can you write a song

830
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: stay with it? No, it's good the whole time and

831
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: be like, let's go. I kind of did that with

832
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: my album and like where I fell in love with

833
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 1: those songs and I got got in the studio pretty

834
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: quick to cut them, and then I was like, by

835
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: the time they all got done, I was like, oh man,

836
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: it's anybody even gonna listen to this because it was

837
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: in my mind so much so before we even put

838
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: it out. I didn't listen to the album until probably

839
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: right before we sent it to get mastered. Yeah, and

840
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, yeah, I believe in this.

841
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: Is this you trusting Dan? Yeah, definitely. I trust him

842
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: with my wife man me and him, or we've we've

843
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: gotten so locked in over the over this record. I'd

844
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: say that we just put out because we did a

845
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: couple of odds before that weren't my favorite sonically, And

846
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: he even agrees with me with that, where he's like,

847
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: we we didn't really nail these, and uh. I just

848
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: kind of took that with a grain AsSalt when we

849
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: went back into the studio for the record and I

850
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: was like, well, we know where we're going now. So

851
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: me and him really work together, which I kind of

852
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: was in the back seat, and that was to my

853
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: own fault, like I did that on purpose because I

854
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: was kind of letting him him guide the ship. But

855
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: he really he works really well when somebody else is

856
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: giving him direction. So when you say, sonically, is it

857
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: your voice is a guitar tone? Is it? What are like?

858
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: Who are you now? As far as no, not even musically,

859
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: but um, son I want to stay sonically because musically

860
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 1: you can write from these places and you know what

861
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: you want to say and why you want to say it.

862
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: But who are you? If I just listen to a

863
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: song for the sake of just turning it on and

864
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: hearing it and not listening, I'm all over the place, man,

865
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: And uh, I don't mean to be, but I love

866
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: so many different styles of music. Um, you'll hear a

867
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: little blues, you'll hear a little rock. Um do you

868
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: fiddle with tone on guitar all the time without it? Oh?

869
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah my best friends that are guitar player. Oh

870
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: my god, Like stop it sounds exactly the same, dude. Yeah,

871
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: it's kind of a habit. And I've become like, not you,

872
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 1: you should keep doing sure, But that's how I feel.

873
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's no difference in the two tones. It's

874
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: like when I'm at the eye doctor, it's like, what

875
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: about this one? What about this one? It's the same one? Yes,

876
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: So why are you giving me differently, but you're like

877
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: you just constantly for that perfect time constantly man, and uh,

878
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 1: sometimes to a fault like where I'll like get obsessed

879
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: with it, like bassed tone. For me, it's such a

880
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: big thing, and like you, we're making that joke about bass,

881
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: but like bass is such an integral part to to

882
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: the song and the way that the song feels. And uh,

883
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: if the bass doesn't have the right roundness or the

884
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: right flatness or however it should sound it, it really

885
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: can throw a song off, at least in my ears.

886
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: I bet you listen to music so different, dude. I

887
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: missed the days when I could just listen to a

888
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: song and listen to a song that those were the

889
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: I bet you have that. Yeah, um, and I have

890
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: certain things in my career are on the same thing

891
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: where I just can't enjoy it because I know, and

892
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: I've spent so much time in the middle of it,

893
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: start learning too much. I know, and I listen to

894
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: it a whole different way now. I don't have always

895
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: that with music like you do. Also, because you're really

896
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: good and not You're not just a great singer, like

897
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: you're a real life musician, And there's a difference. But

898
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: I bet you it's hard for you to listen to

899
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: anything without trying to pick it apart unless it's something

900
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: old that you have been any four that you've loved

901
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: for a little of doubt. And even then I'll go

902
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: back and I'll be like, man, I thought this record

903
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: was so much bigger, like and you listen back and

904
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: there's like four instruments on it, because like, how did

905
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: they make that sound so big back in the day?

906
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, well, maybe our stuff sounds big.

907
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. I just keep kind of

908
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: wandering around in those worlds, and you'll never stop wandering, honestly.

909
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: And to think of these artists that got in the

910
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: same room, even if talking about Georgia Tammy and they

911
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 1: would show the back, the background singer and the piano player,

912
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: the baseball. They had to be in the same room

913
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: and play at the same time, and it all had

914
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: to all right. Here we go three eight of them

915
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: don't and they be perfect or close to it or

916
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: that's just what got on the record. Absolutely, And man,

917
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: we actually we just went back into into the studio

918
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: not too long ago to cut some more songs, and

919
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: we we did it that way, which was fun. We

920
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: did it all the tape because I wanted I wanted

921
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: that realness. I wanted some of those mess ups to

922
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: be on these new songs and kind of makeing it

923
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: just a little bit of a classic or classic class

924
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: that classic classic. Did you listen to a lot of classics?

925
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 1: I listened a lot of classic rock growing up. Sixties

926
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: and seventies. Definitely was that. Does that influence how you're

927
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: making music now? Without a doubt? Man? Uh? Seventies rock

928
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: from me, seventies and eighties rock was where my dad

929
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: listened to more than anything. My grandpa is where I

930
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: learned all my country music through UM. And then my

931
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: mom was just I guess she was more than that

932
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: nineties rock. What she loves She loves some Nickelback, So

933
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: I arned. We had we had the nickel Back on

934
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 1: the show today. I've never met Chad was in Chad Krueger.

935
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: I was calling Kroger. Oh shoot, I didn't know that anything. Well,

936
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: he didn't tell anybody that like a year ago, and

937
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: so I'd always I wasten Knickelback like crazy. I was younger.

938
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: We had him on the phone once, but he came

939
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: in today, a lot of energy, right, Mike, it was

940
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: good and and talks very dirty. He's very much a

941
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: rock star. He's like, I'm sure it was a rock

942
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: star like the band. They told me that I couldn't

943
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: get a song with the first line, Uh put her

944
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: pants around ankles on the radio and we were like,

945
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: we're listening to this going what's he where's he going?

946
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: Where's what's happening here? And he goes, you know what,

947
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: number one hit a rock radio first line? She had

948
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: her pants around right, And I'm like, all right, we'll

949
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: put that on the podcast on later. So what your parents?

950
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: What did they do white when you were a kid.

951
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: My mom was like a eye technician, so she worked

952
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: at the ode doctor for a while, and then my

953
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: dad used to work at a I don't even I

954
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: still have no idea what he did. He was like

955
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: a raw chemical engineer for five Yeah, I hear Mike Spive.

956
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 1: He made magnets for the inside. Hey wait wait, yeah,

957
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: Sherry did, buddy. He carried blueberries from city to city. Olga. Uh,

958
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: your TikTok or sponse has been strong, and I still

959
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: figured it out. I don't know what the heck I'm

960
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: doing on but but you've still been able to do

961
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: really cool things on there at same time without a doubt.

962
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: And isn't that kind of what TikTok is is the

963
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: fact that the raw stuff really does do better most

964
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: of the time. It does, man, And I spent a

965
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: lot of time hating it. I think I out of

966
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: jealousy watching other people just blow the heck up and

967
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: be like, why can't I do anything like that? And uh,

968
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: I had to like kind of get my mind out

969
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: of that and get my mindset out of that to

970
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: be like, man, these people are just trying to do

971
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: the same thing I'm doing. They're just using a different

972
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: platform to do it. And once I figured that and

973
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: flip that switch, I was like, man, this is this

974
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: is actually a really cool tool and a really cool

975
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: way to discover new artists. That's it. It's a cool tool.

976
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. I have a friend of mine who's

977
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: just won't get on TikTok and he's a big artist,

978
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: and he's like, you know, I don't want to like

979
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: be tiktoki, and I'm like, bro, being tiktoki may have

980
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: been a thing like two years ago, but now it's

981
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: just like anything else, like they're all roads, you're all on.

982
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: You're you're on the road, going all from places, like

983
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: just use it so people can find you and maybe

984
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: they want to find everything else you've done. You don't

985
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: have to get on, do dances, you get on. Just

986
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: play your songs. That's it. And if nobody watches it, okay,

987
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: nobody knew was there anyway. If they don't watch, it's

988
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: not you're not embarrassing yourself. And he was like, I

989
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: just don't want to do TikTok. And I said to him,

990
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: you will do TikTok. You will, And you're gonna six

991
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: months after you're gonna be like why didn't I start earlier?

992
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: And I said, and I'm not going to be supportive.

993
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like, yeah, that's right, idiot, because I

994
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: told you to get on TikTok. And so yeah, like

995
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: I think you thrive there because you sound so good

996
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: even when it doesn't matter what the acoustics are, if

997
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: it can be a microphone with a speaker, bathroom or

998
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: just in a room where the acoustics are terrible, Like

999
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: you have that voice that kind of takes command, you know,

1000
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier. Rah Charles, like, that's you in

1001
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: a different way. And I like the one you did

1002
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 1: in your speedo Like I thought that was I thought

1003
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: it was brave. Yeah, definitely a brave Uh So what's

1004
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: the deal with the new music you're talking about? Recording songs? Man?

1005
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: Just uh like, what's like when? When? What? What can

1006
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: you tell me? We've got no rules anymore? Man, I'm

1007
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: just kind of I'm not saying anything when you say

1008
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: there are no rules. Oh man, I'm just I'm putting

1009
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: out whatever I kind of feel like right now. I

1010
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: don't know. It's uh, I don't really I have a

1011
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: project in mind. Yeah, whether these songs aren't recording now

1012
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna live on that project or just be random

1013
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: singles that I throw out, I don't know yet. I'm

1014
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: just kind of I'm just recording the songs that I love.

1015
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm gonna hopefully have a song out next month.

1016
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll see February. Yeah, that's what he's saying. Hopefully

1017
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: who who makes that final call? I do, But it's uh,

1018
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a song that's a little bit more

1019
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: dear to my heart that I was kind of in

1020
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: a dark spot when I wrote it, and it's called

1021
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: take Me Home to Carolina or take Me Home, um

1022
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: and uh, it was kind of written like right at

1023
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: the end of the year, right during Cmas, and I

1024
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: was just like, I was kind of pissed, and it's

1025
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: kind of a as much as I didn't want it

1026
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: to be, it's kind of an f you to the industry.

1027
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: And I learned a lot about it or about myself

1028
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: when I was writing it and being like, why why

1029
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: am I so bitter towards things that I can't control?

1030
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: So that song, I'm just putting it out as a

1031
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: voice momo. It's gonna be like a voice momo. That's

1032
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: my master basically, and just you can master a voice

1033
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: of them, I guess. So that's what they told me.

1034
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of fus to the industry. Mine

1035
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 1: aren't rarely that well received. I hope you're oh yeah,

1036
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: I hope your song and it's like, hey, this is

1037
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: a good song. My fews don't end very well for

1038
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: me sometimes. Well, man, I'm super pumped for you. You're

1039
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: like really good. Appreciate them and not just everybody's really

1040
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: good here, I mean, everybody's a good absolutely. If if

1041
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: I see you at this point, you're pretty good with

1042
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: the possibile being really good. But and I may have

1043
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: told you this, when you're up in the in the

1044
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 1: in the room with us, it's rare that somebody comes

1045
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: in and those other people care in my room because

1046
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: those are all my friends who didn't get into this

1047
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: for any other reason except they were my friends, like

1048
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: Amy and Lunchbox and Eddie, those all my friends. They

1049
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: didn't they were like, yeah, we'll do the show with you.

1050
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: So they didn't get in because they have some sort

1051
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 1: of some sort of love for they like music. Everybody

1052
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: likes music, and sometimes people love music for different reasons,

1053
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: but they don't. They didn't. They don't care enough to

1054
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: be moved. But you came and performed and you walked

1055
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: out and they were like, god dang. They were like

1056
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: that's that. They're like, that's they don't say that about anybody,

1057
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 1: maybe one or two people a year. So yeah, that's

1058
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: like my my lasting impression of you, it was when

1059
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 1: you walked out, all those people that usually don't care

1060
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: cared and that's really cool. And like Jake, for example, cared.

1061
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 1: He didn't know you thinking back and putting all those

1062
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: dots together it's I mean, that's that's really cool. How

1063
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: that all happened. It was like, you know this guy,

1064
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 1: Nope heard of him. Listen to this song? Oh yeah,

1065
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. And then we were I'd seen that

1066
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: video of you um doing the spot. No, I have that,

1067
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: that's on my phone. I watched one all the time.

1068
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: I've seen that and maybe as I saw that one

1069
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: and maybe as a voice video two, and we were like,

1070
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: let's get him up the show. Then you did that,

1071
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: and then it was just it's just really cool. Do

1072
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: you leave like a trail of like authenticity appreciate it?

1073
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: And that's hard to do here. Man, That's hard to

1074
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: do in this town because everybody's just trying to get it.

1075
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: You know, everybody's trying to get it. Who. I just

1076
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: asked you a couple more questions because I'm just interested

1077
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: you as a person. If you were to create like

1078
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: the four people in this town that have been good

1079
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: to you, that can mean they gave you food when

1080
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: you're hungry, they gave you a record deal when you

1081
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: were good, They put you on a tour. Who are

1082
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: the four people in this town that you would put

1083
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: on your amount rushmore people have been good to Cameron. Uh,

1084
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 1: I would say my manager and my girlfriend. Um, wait,

1085
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: are the same person? You said it so quickly. No,

1086
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I was. I knew those two are my Like,

1087
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 1: say their names to your manager, so Megan, my girlfriend,

1088
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: my manager, Caitlin it And then um, i'd say Anthony

1089
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: de Vincenzo, he's always been great to me, And um,

1090
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: who's Anthony de Vincenzo. That's her my manager's boyfriend, and

1091
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: what and he scrubs or no, he's just don't want

1092
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 1: to know how they've affected you. Okay, I'm sorry. They

1093
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: they've all just had my back in this in this

1094
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: town where if I'm even in the roughest spot that

1095
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: I could possibly be in, they've always kept kept me

1096
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: grounded and kept me reminding who I am as a person.

1097
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: And I feel like it's really easy to lose yourself

1098
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: when you get into town and get into this industry,

1099
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: especially when you start to make it a little bit.

1100
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: You can give yourself real quick. I agree, man, And uh,

1101
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: I think I don't know, I don't know if I

1102
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 1: speak for everybody, but when you start going from headline

1103
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: shows and like selling out a show and then go

1104
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 1: to a fair or something like that that where maybe

1105
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: four or people show up, you really have to check

1106
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: yourself because your ego will start getting big and they

1107
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: keep the grounding and I appreciate them for that. Who's

1108
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: the fourth one? I let's say, uh, can it be

1109
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: like a conglomerate? It can be whatever you want? All right,

1110
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: my sony family, They've been really good to me, man,

1111
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: They've they've really let me steer the ship when it

1112
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 1: comes to my career in the music that I want

1113
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: to make, and I respect that no one's ever asked.

1114
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: Can maybe I conglomerate questions that have been asked back? Um? Now,

1115
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: let's do this professionally only and you don't even have

1116
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: to meet him. But like artist wise, who do you

1117
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: put up on those four as? Like your favorites? If

1118
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: you only got four artists to listen to for the

1119
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: rest of your life, their bodies of work would be

1120
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: there for you. Wow, let's go George Jones, We'll go

1121
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: Kings of Leon, We'll go Brooks and Done and George

1122
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: straight you met the Brooks and Done guys. That's awesome.

1123
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: They're awesome. Just for dyous. Ronnie is one of the

1124
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: coolest guys ever. Man, he's yeah. Ever like he's a

1125
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: dear friend, and it's crazy to think that who I

1126
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: listened to and idolized musically growing up. We go to

1127
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: dinner with our wives, that to me is bizarre, and

1128
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: there are times where we're there and I'm like, it's

1129
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: like I cannot believe what is happening. Do you have

1130
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: those moments here now with some of the people that

1131
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: look at you and go, dude, you're really good but

1132
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: you're like, no, but you're really better without a doubt man.

1133
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: And it's so what's so cool about running done is like, dude,

1134
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: he sounds I feel like better now. It doesn't even

1135
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: make sense, Like you see his show and it's like, hole,

1136
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: how does how does this even happen? He We've got

1137
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 1: my wife and I got married a year and a half.

1138
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: So I go back here in the back and Ronnie

1139
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: saying at our wedding and you know, there's two hundred

1140
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: fifty people, three people there and it's we you know,

1141
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 1: built a little place back there for the reception. And

1142
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I see, I'll sing whatever you want.

1143
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,479
Speaker 1: And so he comes out and he does Neon Moon

1144
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: and not only does your Neon Moon, he like does

1145
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: the breakdown part. Hey, he's like doing runs. That's pretty

1146
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: cool man, And he's somebody's so good. Still. The crazy

1147
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: thing is he has somebody in his eater is telling

1148
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: the words all the time. Dude, why not? I would

1149
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: have prompt up, prompt her up? You have somebody back

1150
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: there you having to hear and sing. Just put a

1151
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 1: prompter up so you can see the words. I don't

1152
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: want to do that. He's like, then I'll look old, bro.

1153
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: I put I tell jokes. I put a prompt o

1154
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: my jokes down there. Dude, if I could figure out

1155
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: how to run one of those things, I'll do it

1156
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 1: in a hard But you're not supposed to run it yourself.

1157
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: Like somebody to run it? Can you by him singing

1158
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: running the prompt your rolling it up? Yeah? Do you

1159
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: feel like you have to be sad to write sad songs? No,

1160
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm actually opposite, alright, happy songs when I'm sad and

1161
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: said songs when I'm happy. Okay, what does that mean

1162
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: to you? I don't know. I don't know why I'm

1163
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: like that. I think about it. Why do you think

1164
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: will end on this? Maybe one more? Why do you

1165
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: think you write happy songs when you're sad. I think

1166
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: I try and change the perspective and I try and

1167
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: change and put myself in a different spot. And I

1168
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a creative thing that I do,

1169
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: but it's just kind of how my mind works when

1170
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: I'm writing songs. What's the saddest song that you have? Oh?

1171
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: Song called break It, and it's not out. It's just

1172
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: a song that I wrote. And Uh, it's like, are

1173
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: you gonna put it out? I'm Mike, how's it going?

1174
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: Give me a little bit of that that deal again?

1175
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: Where you do that? She's a little singy breaking news.

1176
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: I gotta think I hadn't listened to the song and

1177
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,479
Speaker 1: song I'll sing it break Uh, it's basically the hook

1178
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: is I'd rather lose it or lose you than break it. Basically,

1179
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: I'd rather lose us or lose this relationship than keep

1180
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: breaking your heart over and over and over again. And uh,

1181
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: it's a it's a cool song, man, what's the saddest

1182
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: song You've ever heard? I just had this conversation yesterday

1183
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 1: and just to see you smile, it's actually not supposed

1184
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: to be this like love song. And once I heard

1185
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: that and found that out and listen back to it.

1186
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: It is sad, and you look wonderful tonight. You look wonderful.

1187
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: To know. Everyone thinks that A is like a real

1188
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: happy so, but it's actually not happy. He's like, hurry

1189
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: the freak up. It's not like I love it. There

1190
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: are also upbeat songs that are very touching. The and

1191
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: I would have walked five hundred you know that song.

1192
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: I have no idea what that song is about. Well,

1193
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 1: what's the most beautiful thing ever? It's like I would

1194
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: walk five hundred miles and I would walk five hundred

1195
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: more just to see the look on your face because

1196
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: I've been so in love with you. But when you

1197
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 1: have those two do no, no, no no, it kind

1198
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: of makes it this big, jovial song. But it's such

1199
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: a beautiful song. That is. It's, you know, an upbeat song,

1200
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: but it's really cool to hear some of those up

1201
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: beat songs that are really sad and just see smiles

1202
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: kind of a mid tempo, but that feels like just

1203
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: who so you smile? I do. It's a happy but

1204
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: it's really not really what it feels like. Man, Yeah,

1205
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: that's he stopped loving her today. God dang. Yeah, have

1206
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: you ever heard Broken Window serenade? Huh, you should check

1207
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: that on out. It's by Whiskey Myers and it is

1208
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: that wouldn't make you sad? That one was like, but

1209
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: it's meant to make you sad, Like it's about some

1210
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: girl I get hooked on drugs and ends up passing away.

1211
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: Uh diamonds gasoline, but who's that? But I know, I know. Yeah,

1212
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 1: it's like if I don't give you a diamond, I'm

1213
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: gonna I've gotta have gas links I get out of here.

1214
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: Oh man, man, that is it too. That's a jam.

1215
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: We can sit there and do sad songs. We'll cry

1216
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: on each other's shoulder. Sad songs are my favorite me too.

1217
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: I want it slow, I want to understand the words.

1218
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: I want to like feel it r e M. Everybody

1219
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: hurts one of my favorite songs. Everybody to play it

1220
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: all the time, just alone. I wasn't even sad. I'd

1221
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: just be like, play it. I wanted to get sad. Look,

1222
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: we've we talked about it. This. This has been awesome.

1223
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: You guys follow Cameron, but the K they get a

1224
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: lot of seas. Yeah, Cameron with a K Marlowe, I

1225
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: mean even your last name spelled a little difficult camera.

1226
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 1: If I'm being honest, there's still time to change it

1227
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: with a sea And um, you guys follow Cameron. Uh,

1228
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: we were Cowboys came out in September. So at last year,

1229
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,479
Speaker 1: he says, there are no rules and he's just gonna

1230
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 1: put out voicemails. He leaves people apparently songs at this point, voicemails. Um,

1231
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: really looking forward to. I don't want to say what's next,

1232
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: but I want to say I'm really looking forward to.

1233
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: You know what what what you decide? What path you

1234
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: decided to walk down, you know, because you're gonna go

1235
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 1: down a bunch of them. You have so many different,

1236
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: like really cool influences. Your music is gonna sound different

1237
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: over two or three or four projects, which is super

1238
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: cool because again you do have such a blues and

1239
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: old country and new like the Infant And I'm just

1240
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: super excited to see where this goes, man, and then

1241
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 1: where it goes after that. Appreciate that's really cool. I'm

1242
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: a fan. And when you drove up, your truck was

1243
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: too big for the security camera. Now did you hear

1244
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: me out there? Yeah? I gotta he put the button

1245
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: and and and be honestly, I was on the toilet

1246
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: and camera pulls up and all I see's a truck door.

1247
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: It's like, I was like, hello, he goes Cameron, and

1248
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: I was like, I guess that's camera in what kind

1249
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: of gas elege? I think it actually does really well

1250
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: really yeah, it's good. All right, all right, look I've

1251
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: said it all. I like you a lot, appreciate Yeah, cool,

1252
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: my can think for Cameron. Alright, Camera Marlow, You guys

1253
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: follow it. And when you put out a new like

1254
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: maybe next month, is that a new single or is

1255
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: that just a song to kind of chum the water,

1256
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: just chum the water. Just let me know when you

1257
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: get that that when you're ready again, come on back up,

1258
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: do it again. Let's do it. Let's do it again,

1259
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: all right, Camera Marlow, everybody