WEBVTT - Smart Homes

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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by Toyota. Let's go places. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Forward Thinking. You welcome the Forward Thinking, the podcast that

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<v Speaker 1>looks at the future and says, guess that this must

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<v Speaker 1>be the place. I'm Jonathan Strickland and I'm Joe McCormick. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a question for you. Yeah, do you ever

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<v Speaker 1>feel like your home might be intellectually inferior? There there? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>this past year I have I have you well two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand fourteen, I used several colorful metaphors to describe certain

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<v Speaker 1>aspects of my home as a dumb stuff was happening.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know it's it's things breakdown and don't

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<v Speaker 1>repair themselves. Doors don't open for you, your closet doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>give you what you want to wear in the morning

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<v Speaker 1>you have to go looking for it, dangers everything on

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<v Speaker 1>Final Jeopardy, and then forgets to perform it in the question. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>My my biggest pet peeve is that when I walked

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<v Speaker 1>through the door, Gallivant is not automatically playing on my TV.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's just I don't get it. You may

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<v Speaker 1>guess from that awkward introduction that today we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about smart home and the rest of it is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be smooth sailor. Yeah, Jonathan, Yeah, did you

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<v Speaker 1>recently go to c E S. I did recently go

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<v Speaker 1>to CEF the Consumer Electronics Show. Are you sure that

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<v Speaker 1>S doesn't stand for circus spelled wrong? Well, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>stand for anything these days. It's just c S. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that used to be Consumer Electronics Show, but now it's

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<v Speaker 1>just CES. Sort of like that, you know, they they

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<v Speaker 1>they've decided to go super celeb on us. It's like KFC.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like these letters could stand for any right, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and Uh. At ce S there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>big themes that came out that year, lots of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, the various companies were really focusing on,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of the biggest was smart home technology. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is something that we've seen at c S year

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<v Speaker 1>after year, but this year was kind of like critical mass.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, you know, this was where I suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>saw more examples of it. In fact, there was an

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<v Speaker 1>entire section of the show floor set aside just for

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<v Speaker 1>smart homes and uh. In fact, one one exhibitor had

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<v Speaker 1>built out a booth that was a home and you

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<v Speaker 1>walked through it and saw that saw how the technology worked.

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<v Speaker 1>Within the context of a home. But we wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>talk kind of all about smart homes and sort of

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<v Speaker 1>where the idea came from and where it's going and

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<v Speaker 1>some of the pros and cons of it. But to

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<v Speaker 1>begin with, I just wanted to talk a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about where where this whole automation and smart home technology

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<v Speaker 1>got its start. Sure, because it's not actually a new idea. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>So you're going to take us back to smart caves,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not quite that far. I'm gonna go to the

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<v Speaker 1>early twentieth century, and that was when we started seeing uh,

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<v Speaker 1>electronic and mechanical appliances first hit the market for the

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<v Speaker 1>general consumer. Now, there were earlier examples in the nineteenth centuries,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the predecessors for the technology we depend upon,

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<v Speaker 1>but we really saw the mature in the early nineteen hundreds.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is stuff like you know, washers and dryers

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<v Speaker 1>and dishwashers and uh, you know, eventually other things like

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<v Speaker 1>toasters that wouldn't burn your house down and things of

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<v Speaker 1>that nature. So this was all about saving effort, labor, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and and it actually made a huge impact. We did

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<v Speaker 1>a series of episodes on on washing machines and dryers

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<v Speaker 1>in uh in text app Yeah, back when I was

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<v Speaker 1>on the show, and it's it's pretty it's actually pretty

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<v Speaker 1>interesting stuff, right, and uh, really interesting to see. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean there's a whole political, kind of controversial part of

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<v Speaker 1>the washing machine, for example, people who should have gotten

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<v Speaker 1>credit and didn't. But there's also just the overall story

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<v Speaker 1>of how can we create labor saving devices so that

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<v Speaker 1>people can maximize their time and not spend it all

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<v Speaker 1>doing backbreaking labor that could be handled automatically. Um So

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<v Speaker 1>that was sort of the the germ of the idea, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't until the nineteen sixties that we start

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<v Speaker 1>seeing kind of a giant leap forward on this. Now

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<v Speaker 1>we had seen technology start to take on more and

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<v Speaker 1>more automated style roles. Like the original washing machines, you

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<v Speaker 1>actually had to monitor them, you had to change them,

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<v Speaker 1>turn them on and turn them off manually. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have automatic shutoffs or timers or things like that that

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<v Speaker 1>developed throughout the decades. But the nineteen sixties we go

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a a jump ahead, I would say, with

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<v Speaker 1>the Echo four, which was a home automation system. It

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<v Speaker 1>was also known as the Electronic Computing Home Operator and

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<v Speaker 1>It was made out of surplus electronic parts and it

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<v Speaker 1>was housed in a tall walnut cabinet, and um it

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<v Speaker 1>was I missed the days of putting electronic X in

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<v Speaker 1>wood case. Yeah yeah, kind of like the old televisions

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Yeah. So well, this thing could supposedly handle finances,

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<v Speaker 1>the home finances. It could compute shopping lists, so if

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<v Speaker 1>you said you wanted to make a certain thing and

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<v Speaker 1>you told it what ingredients you had, it could tell

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<v Speaker 1>you which ones you were missing and therefore you need

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<v Speaker 1>to go and get them. Um. It could also control

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<v Speaker 1>the thermostatic, could predict the weather and even turn appliances

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<v Speaker 1>on and off. It was designed by Jim Sutherland, who

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<v Speaker 1>was an employee at Westinghouse, and he built it for himself.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta say, I'm skeptical about how good this thing

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<v Speaker 1>was at those tasks you just list, well, you just listed,

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<v Speaker 1>and it never it was never put into any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of production, like this was literally his his home project.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably telling right, didn't go into production. I mean also

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<v Speaker 1>computer technology at the time being what it was, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to think of it as operating under the same

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<v Speaker 1>sort of rules as the Pewee Herman Rube Goldberg device

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning of Pewee's big adventure to feed his dog,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that kind of thing. Um. There is also,

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<v Speaker 1>uh the Kitchen computer, which was another device that was

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<v Speaker 1>meant to automate the home. This one came out the

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<v Speaker 1>year after Echo four was sort of um displayed in

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<v Speaker 1>like a popular mechanics article. Uh So, this one came

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<v Speaker 1>from Honeywell, and it could store recipes and tell you

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<v Speaker 1>what sort of meals you could cook based upon the

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<v Speaker 1>ingredients you had available. So if you said, like, I've

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<v Speaker 1>got these five ingredients, what can I make with this?

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<v Speaker 1>And it could give you a list of different recipes

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<v Speaker 1>to try. Uh, all of that convenience could be yours

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<v Speaker 1>for the low low price of ten thousand, six hundred

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in nineteen mid nineteen sixties money. That's like the

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<v Speaker 1>cost of a couple of houses at that time. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but hey do you'd never have to worry about what

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<v Speaker 1>to make for dinner because you just tell it, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I got a bottle to catch up some Jolke cold

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<v Speaker 1>be nuts. What can I whip up here's a recipe

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<v Speaker 1>for lasagna? Um So, by the nineteen eighties, home automation

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<v Speaker 1>was becoming more of a reality, although in these cases

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<v Speaker 1>it was a lot of contract or work. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted to have a system put in, you had

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<v Speaker 1>to go out hire a contractor. They would come in

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<v Speaker 1>and usually the various elements of your home automation would

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<v Speaker 1>actually rely on infrared sensors and transmitters, so the same

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<v Speaker 1>sort of technology that most remote controls rely on today.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you may not realize this. When the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventies remote controls were mostly well, at least some were

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<v Speaker 1>using sonic signals. Yeah, where you would press a button

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<v Speaker 1>and I have a little piece of metal inside the

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<v Speaker 1>remote control, and when it flexed, it would give off

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<v Speaker 1>ultrasonic frequencies and the television would respond to it, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why if you dropped your change and there was

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<v Speaker 1>a hard floor, you could accidentally change the channel, or

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<v Speaker 1>if you played with a slinky near the TV, you

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<v Speaker 1>could affect it. But eventually it was pretty cool. I

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<v Speaker 1>actually had one of those TVs when I was a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>and I could I could have a slinky and play

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<v Speaker 1>with it and things would happen on the TV. And

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, I guess I should be glad that Palter

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<v Speaker 1>Guist had not come out yet. So at any rate,

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<v Speaker 1>the the infrared sensor technology began to come down in price,

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<v Speaker 1>and that meant we could incorporate in more and more stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But this meant that you had a remote control to

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<v Speaker 1>handle things, right, It wasn't truly automated in the sense

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<v Speaker 1>that we think of today. It was just you were

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<v Speaker 1>you had a step removed. You didn't have to go

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<v Speaker 1>and turn on a switch or plug something in. But

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<v Speaker 1>uh it was also a niche market. It was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>expensive because usually you had to have, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>a contractor come in and install this stuff. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>plug and play. Uh, so it really limited the number

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<v Speaker 1>of people who could actually do this. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>kept on hearing about home automation. It was very much

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<v Speaker 1>a bleeding edge adopter kind of thing at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>So by the late ninety nineties as when we first

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<v Speaker 1>started seeing appliances that could connect into a computer network,

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<v Speaker 1>not just have some sort of sensor on it that

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<v Speaker 1>would allow it to operate when you use a remote control,

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<v Speaker 1>but something that could interact with a network through WiFi

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<v Speaker 1>or a wired connection. So this is when the first

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<v Speaker 1>first start seeing things like networked refrigerators or networked washers

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<v Speaker 1>or network dryers. They weren't really that good. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do a lot of things that would have necessitated them

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<v Speaker 1>to be connected. When they were first coming out, it

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<v Speaker 1>was really a novelty. I remember the first time I

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<v Speaker 1>saw one. I looked at and I thought, oh, that's

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<v Speaker 1>really cool. Um, why would you do that? Like, what

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<v Speaker 1>what's the benefit? And like the benefits were pretty tenuous.

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<v Speaker 1>You could you could right yourself a program and see

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<v Speaker 1>to control your washer. It was you know, it involved

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of like like refrigerators, the example I always

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<v Speaker 1>think of it, It involved a lot of work on

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<v Speaker 1>the part of the consumer for it to have any

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<v Speaker 1>meaningful impacts, things like logging the stuff that's going into

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<v Speaker 1>your refrigerator, so that way, when you're are at work

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<v Speaker 1>and you're thinking, oh, I would like to make such

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<v Speaker 1>and such, do I have all the things I need?

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<v Speaker 1>But it would mean that you were the one who

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<v Speaker 1>had to actually maintain essentially like a database inventory, which

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<v Speaker 1>does not sound appealing to me. That just seems like

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<v Speaker 1>a different type of labor that I have to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would that even be connected to the fridge. You

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<v Speaker 1>could just keep a spreadsheet on your computer. Yeah, good,

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<v Speaker 1>good point. An excellent point. I mean, yeah, at the

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<v Speaker 1>point that you're logging something in Excel anyway, Like you

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<v Speaker 1>don't really need to have your fridge send you a

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<v Speaker 1>facts telling you to get more eggs, right, unless you're

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<v Speaker 1>in back to the future too, in which case all

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<v Speaker 1>communication is done to facts. Yeah, we've established that, done

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<v Speaker 1>by multiple duplicates. By the end of two thousand fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>your fridge will be facing you repeatedly throughout the day

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<v Speaker 1>and through all of your rooms in your house, all

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<v Speaker 1>of which have their own facts, including your closets, including

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<v Speaker 1>your closets, um so all caps you've got food poisoning,

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<v Speaker 1>that explains the vomiting. So the the way the automation

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<v Speaker 1>has changed a lot over the last couple of years

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<v Speaker 1>is that again technology has continued to get less expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the basic sensors, the basic connectors that allow us

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<v Speaker 1>to network things together have all come come down in price,

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<v Speaker 1>which means that there are a lot more consumer level options, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think we're also just now getting to the

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<v Speaker 1>point where some of these applications might actually be useful,

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<v Speaker 1>Like they really do increase your convenience in certain cases. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>And we've got we've got a lot of development, not

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<v Speaker 1>just in the hardware side, but the software side, which

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<v Speaker 1>is where a lot of that functionality is coming from.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not, you know, the the hardware is not demonstrably

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<v Speaker 1>that different from the earlier generations. It's not like a

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<v Speaker 1>smart refrigerator is that different from a regular refrigerator. But

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<v Speaker 1>the apps that are designed around it to allow you

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<v Speaker 1>to leverage that technology have matured over the last couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years. And I think that's why smart home technology

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<v Speaker 1>is starting to hit it big because we are are

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<v Speaker 1>our user interface has improved to the point where now

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<v Speaker 1>people can say, oh, I get it now, now it

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense. Yeah. I would say also that we have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of unrealized capacity now. I mean, we're at

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<v Speaker 1>a stage technologically where you could have fridge that actually

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<v Speaker 1>could log everything you put in it without you having

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<v Speaker 1>to intervene. But it would require stuff that we don't do,

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<v Speaker 1>like say putting r F I D tags on all

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<v Speaker 1>of our food products or something like that. You can

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<v Speaker 1>maybe have some sort of scanner essentially attach a scanner

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<v Speaker 1>to the to the front of the fridge that would

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<v Speaker 1>read a UPC code or something. Right. Yeah, But so

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<v Speaker 1>I'd say we are closer to sort of the fantasy

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<v Speaker 1>of the smart home than we were before, even if

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<v Speaker 1>even if in a lot of cases it's not actually realized,

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<v Speaker 1>we could do it now. Yeah, and there are several

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<v Speaker 1>examples I thought I would give. Actually I'm just going

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<v Speaker 1>to do three because obviously if if we wanted to,

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<v Speaker 1>we could have an episode. Yeah, they're There are hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of products on the market that fall into home automation

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<v Speaker 1>and smart home technology, but just to kind of give

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<v Speaker 1>you a very brief broad overview of some of the options.

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<v Speaker 1>One is sort of the plug and play approach, which

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<v Speaker 1>is where instead of you going in and replacing a

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<v Speaker 1>specific system like the lighting or the security of your home,

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<v Speaker 1>you have these these modules that essentially plug into wall sockets.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what where they get their power. They connect to

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<v Speaker 1>your network and then you plug stuff into them and

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<v Speaker 1>that allows you to have remote access to the power

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<v Speaker 1>that goes to that appliance. So Belkan has the we

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<v Speaker 1>Mo switch plus Motion, which is a plug in play

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<v Speaker 1>automation gadget that does exactly that. Right, You you plug

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<v Speaker 1>this thing into the wall, you plug your up your

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<v Speaker 1>appliance into the sensor. You use a smartphone Apple to

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<v Speaker 1>access it, so you can turn it on and off

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<v Speaker 1>it will. Now clearly this only works if whatever gadget

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<v Speaker 1>is plugged into the Wemo has a permanent on feature. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So if you are talking about something like a lamp,

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<v Speaker 1>that's very easy. You turn the lamp to the on

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<v Speaker 1>position when you activate the Wemo, then the lamp is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna come on. When you turn it off remotely, the

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<v Speaker 1>lamp goes off. Other devices obviously they have more input

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<v Speaker 1>than that. You know, you need to do something more

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<v Speaker 1>than just turn it on, and this will not help

0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:10.680
<v Speaker 1>you with that. So if you plug your toaster into

0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.280
<v Speaker 1>one of these things, it's not gonna push the lever

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<v Speaker 1>down so that you get toast. It'll it'll provide power

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<v Speaker 1>to it, but it won't it won't actually activate the

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<v Speaker 1>toaster toaster oven. Yeah, I was just thinking, probably don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to remotely activate that when you're when you're not home,

0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.520
<v Speaker 1>but I'm going to but maybe croc pot, you know

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<v Speaker 1>something like that, where you're like, oh, I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to have this thing's gonna take four hours to cook,

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be on a certain level of heat that

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<v Speaker 1>I feel comfortable with. I don't want to have to

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<v Speaker 1>come home to start it. I don't want it to

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<v Speaker 1>just be on warm for all day. So at some

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<v Speaker 1>point in the day I'm going to go onto my

0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:51.440
<v Speaker 1>smartphone app and turn my crock pot on. Now I'm hungry. Thanks,

0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:55.920
<v Speaker 1>thanks Internet. Um. Another example is the nest thermostat, the

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<v Speaker 1>learning thermostat. And we've talked about this on I think

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<v Speaker 1>we've talked about four we're thinking. I know I've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about on tech stuff. UM. This is the thermostat that

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<v Speaker 1>came from a couple of engineers who used to work

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<v Speaker 1>at Apple, and then they developed this smart thermostat UH.

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<v Speaker 1>The place for birds to live, a smart thermostat and

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<v Speaker 1>home for birds, right, That's why it's called nests. In

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<v Speaker 1>this case, the the nest is is your is your

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<v Speaker 1>little nest at home, and you want you want your

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<v Speaker 1>nest to be comfy. So the thermostat has a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of features that are very easy to explain to people,

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<v Speaker 1>like the fact that you can remotely change the temperature

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<v Speaker 1>on your thermostat no matter where you happen to be

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<v Speaker 1>used the app, you connect to the internet, you change it.

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<v Speaker 1>Your your nest is UH is hooked into your home

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<v Speaker 1>WiFi system. It gets the command changes it in that

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<v Speaker 1>way your your house will the climate control will kick in,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's heat or air conditioning or whatever. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is useful obviously if you want to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>adjust the temperature to maximize your eco friendliness and not

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<v Speaker 1>run it when no one's home. But the thing is

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<v Speaker 1>the Nest also has a microprocessor and an algorithm that

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<v Speaker 1>allows it to learn your behaviors and do this on

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<v Speaker 1>its own, so that you don't have to send it

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<v Speaker 1>the commands. Right, You don't have to say, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm at the office now, let's turn the heat off,

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<v Speaker 1>or I'm coming home, turn on the air conditioning because

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<v Speaker 1>it's really hot outside. So that way when I get

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<v Speaker 1>home in half an hour, it'll be nice and cool

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<v Speaker 1>in my house. The Nest, their amstetics itself starts to

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<v Speaker 1>learn what your routine is and anticipates it ahead of

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<v Speaker 1>time and and makes those changes for you, which is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty awesome. And that's really where we're getting at with

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<v Speaker 1>the smart It's not just the connectivity, but the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that it can start to anticipate what you want. Then

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<v Speaker 1>we have the Phillips Hugh light bulbs. Have you guys

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<v Speaker 1>seen these? I love thee I almost bought some they're

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<v Speaker 1>a little more dim than I would prefer. I would

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<v Speaker 1>them to be a bit brighter. But they are beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>and they can change different colors. They have led in them.

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<v Speaker 1>You can use a smartphone app to adjust it, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can change like whatever you like if you want, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, my living room is gonna have neon

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<v Speaker 1>green light for tonight. I could do that, or I

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<v Speaker 1>can be like, let's go purple. Could do that. But

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<v Speaker 1>on top of that, there's the smartphone. Have you seen

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<v Speaker 1>the smartphone app Lauren? Okay, they have a smartphone app

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<v Speaker 1>where it listens to the TV shows you watch, and

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<v Speaker 1>for certain TV shows, depending upon what's going on on

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<v Speaker 1>the screen, it will match the lighting in your room

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<v Speaker 1>to match the mood on screen. It gives you TV

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<v Speaker 1>mood lighting. Yeah, exactly. So like the detectives are going

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<v Speaker 1>into a dark room, your lights come down, the there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's like a photographer flashing pictures. Your your lights are

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<v Speaker 1>flashing in sync with the TV program. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I want That sounds horrible, but I'd give it try.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted, I mean, I'm interested. I wanted to all

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<v Speaker 1>my all my rooms, and I want speakers going to

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<v Speaker 1>all my rooms, and I want the app and all

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<v Speaker 1>my rooms so that my house is just constantly flashing,

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<v Speaker 1>like and I want to just watch the omen over

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<v Speaker 1>and over. That's all I want. Oh yeah, I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if it responds to the sound of lightning strikes. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's the way it was designed. I can't remember which

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<v Speaker 1>shows in particular it's it's matched up to. It's only

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<v Speaker 1>a couple, but it because obviously, you know, in order

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<v Speaker 1>to pull this off, you already have to know what

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<v Speaker 1>happens in the show to match the lighting. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a sound cue that it's that it's listening for.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a digital programmed sound que I'm sure,

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<v Speaker 1>just waiting waiting for Homer to say, sure is dark

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<v Speaker 1>in here, and then like all the lights come off,

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<v Speaker 1>go off, and you're like, huh. If I could just

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<v Speaker 1>do a really good Homer voice, I could freak people out.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, but that's just that's just three products on

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<v Speaker 1>the market. There are so many of the dozens and dozens,

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<v Speaker 1>and they cover everything, right, they're covering you know. I

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<v Speaker 1>just talked about some very simple systems, but things like

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<v Speaker 1>you could you could have smart locks on your doors,

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<v Speaker 1>so that you could use a code or a Bluetooth

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<v Speaker 1>device where your luck um unlocks automatically when that device

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<v Speaker 1>gets within range. Or you could have security system like

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<v Speaker 1>video surveillance that that's a very popular one that you

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<v Speaker 1>could have as part of your smart home. I'd imagine

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<v Speaker 1>a very good application of something like a smart lock

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<v Speaker 1>would be being able to let somebody into your house

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<v Speaker 1>remotely you being there. Yeah, there are quite a few

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<v Speaker 1>versions I've seen. Some of them allow for you to

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<v Speaker 1>give a a like a four digit code to somebody

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<v Speaker 1>that only works within a span of time. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>say there's yeah, exactly. So like you have a dog walker.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say and the dog walker says, okay, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be at your place between twelve and two. You could say,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, I'm gonna be safe. I'm gonna go from

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<v Speaker 1>eleven thirty to two thirty. This pen will give you

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<v Speaker 1>access to my house, and then after two thirty it

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<v Speaker 1>no longer works, and before eleven thirty it doesn't work. Uh,

0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.320
<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing. In other cases, you could just

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<v Speaker 1>do it remotely yourself, so that they could call you

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<v Speaker 1>when they get to your doorstep and and yeah, and

0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:13.800
<v Speaker 1>you could just press the like unlock that door button

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<v Speaker 1>on your phone and let them in. And even at

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<v Speaker 1>the at ces we even saw one that was a

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<v Speaker 1>doggie door, a smart home doggie door where you could

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<v Speaker 1>you could allow the doggie door to swing free so

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<v Speaker 1>the dog can go outside. When the dog comes back in,

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<v Speaker 1>you can lock it in place again. And you know

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of stuff, which I thought was kind of neat. Yeah, so, uh,

0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:36.760
<v Speaker 1>you can see where the convenience comes in. You can

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<v Speaker 1>see where some of the benefits are to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>segue into benefits. That remote access is a big one obviously, right,

0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:47.880
<v Speaker 1>the ability to control the systems of your house wherever

0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:51.320
<v Speaker 1>you happen to be. That could be for lots of reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be that, again, you're trying to save money,

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<v Speaker 1>so you don't want to spend you know, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to you don't want to be consuming electricity when

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<v Speaker 1>you don't need it. Um, it could be that you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing it for security. So you might be going out

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<v Speaker 1>of town for a few days, but you want your

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<v Speaker 1>lights to come on as if someone's home so that

0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:09.760
<v Speaker 1>you don't give the indication that hey, there's an empty

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<v Speaker 1>house here. That kind of stuff, UM, A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>different reasons why you would want to remote access and

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of algorithms that could learn your behavior and

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<v Speaker 1>anticipate it. That's really really intriguing. Oh yeah, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>real sexy. I mean that's kind of the just just

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<v Speaker 1>making things easier again, like like making things easier for

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<v Speaker 1>you so that you can devote your brain power to

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<v Speaker 1>whatever else you want. Exactly. Yeah. I said that you

0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:40.520
<v Speaker 1>could put it towards enlightened pursuits, like watching The Bachelor.

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<v Speaker 1>It's trying to come up with the show I would

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<v Speaker 1>least likely watch, and that one was the first that

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<v Speaker 1>I thought of. Um, but at any rate, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's exactly that idea of being able to to save labor,

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<v Speaker 1>save effort, to have kind of an effortless existence in

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<v Speaker 1>your home as much as possible, and the mundane things

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<v Speaker 1>get taken care of. So if we look at the

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<v Speaker 1>ideal smart home and we go forward ten years, and

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<v Speaker 1>this might even be a conservative vision of the smart

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<v Speaker 1>home of the future, I imagine this scenario. You come home,

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<v Speaker 1>you walk towards the front door, which automatically unlocks for you. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it might be that it just recognizes who you are

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<v Speaker 1>through some sort of facial recognition, or maybe it's because

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<v Speaker 1>of the way you walk, or maybe even your heart beat,

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<v Speaker 1>depending upon how it's detecting this sort of stuff. It

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<v Speaker 1>could be communicating with electronics that you have on your person,

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<v Speaker 1>and that might be the handshake. Um. Anyway, it unlocks immediately,

0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:40.760
<v Speaker 1>so you don't have any need for keys. You don't

0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:43.400
<v Speaker 1>have to fumble for anything. You just you open the door,

0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:47.040
<v Speaker 1>you close it, it locks behind you. You're good to go. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you walk in the day, the lights in your

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<v Speaker 1>house adjust for the level of brightness of the time

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<v Speaker 1>of day so that it's not too bright. If it's

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the day there's a law of

0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:59.080
<v Speaker 1>natural light, or maybe it's at night and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little brighter so you can around your area. As you

0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:05.879
<v Speaker 1>walk around, music matching your mood comes on. Maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>even is aware of what your schedule was like, because

0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:10.240
<v Speaker 1>if you happen to have an online schedule, it might say, oh,

0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:12.320
<v Speaker 1>look at that, Look at all the meetings Jonathan had.

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<v Speaker 1>He's probably out of his mind with the stress and anxiety.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's play exactly yakety sex just on a loop and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, let's let's turn all the carpets into treadmills,

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<v Speaker 1>and he never actually gets anywhere. It'll be fun. Uh,

0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:33.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe you're beyond that. Maybe your kitchen has already started

0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:36.720
<v Speaker 1>to give you suggestions on what meals you could create

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<v Speaker 1>based upon the stuff you have at hand, and saying,

0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:42.560
<v Speaker 1>you know you're you're totally like stressing out. Here's a

0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:46.119
<v Speaker 1>comfort food recipe. Or maybe it's um, you know, I

0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:49.480
<v Speaker 1>I see that you posted on Facebook that you want

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<v Speaker 1>to lose weight. Here's a low calorie what recipe? I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>It could get either awesome or creepy invasive, depending upon

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<v Speaker 1>your perspective. Um, sometimes I I go between the two,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that would be kind of creepy. Uh. Maybe your

0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:09.440
<v Speaker 1>entertainment system pops on as soon as you enter the

0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:11.879
<v Speaker 1>living room and goes straight to your favorite show, or

0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:14.480
<v Speaker 1>maybe gives you a selection of things to view, things

0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:16.720
<v Speaker 1>that it knows that you'd be interested in, and gives

0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:18.800
<v Speaker 1>you the option of like, well, I want to see

0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:20.879
<v Speaker 1>the one that's in the middle row on the top.

0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:24.120
<v Speaker 1>That kind of stuff. Uh. The window shades could be

0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:27.639
<v Speaker 1>adjusting themselves for whatever time of day or whatever natural

0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:30.040
<v Speaker 1>light is coming in. For example, I've got a west

0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:34.000
<v Speaker 1>facing wall for my living room. Uh if I were

0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:36.600
<v Speaker 1>coming in to watch movies, then I would want those

0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:39.639
<v Speaker 1>shades to come down to block that light from creating glare.

0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:41.960
<v Speaker 1>It could do all of that sort of stuff automatically.

0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:45.320
<v Speaker 1>The temperature is exactly how you like it. Uh So,

0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:47.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean this is the sort of stuff that you

0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:50.439
<v Speaker 1>can imagine the smart home of the future having, And

0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:53.520
<v Speaker 1>it's really not that far away, I say, ten years,

0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:57.360
<v Speaker 1>But this is stuff that it would take a little finagling,

0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:01.120
<v Speaker 1>but you could do most of it right now. It

0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:04.720
<v Speaker 1>might not be as seamless or work as easily as

0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:09.600
<v Speaker 1>you would hope, but it's right right, and it might not.

0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:12.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean it might take significantly longer, in fact, than

0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:16.440
<v Speaker 1>ten years for this to be a common occurrence. Sure, yeah,

0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:20.960
<v Speaker 1>because this is stuff where people of a certain income

0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:23.600
<v Speaker 1>level would be able to make that kind of investment.

0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:27.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it has become significantly less expensive than it

0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 1>was when you had to have a contractor come in

0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:31.720
<v Speaker 1>and install all this. And a lot of the technology

0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:35.919
<v Speaker 1>we're seeing today is designed to essentially plug into the

0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:38.040
<v Speaker 1>stuff we already have, like those Hugh light bulbs just

0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:41.760
<v Speaker 1>screw into regular light sockets. Yeah, you don't have to

0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:44.520
<v Speaker 1>have a special one. All the technology is built into

0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:47.639
<v Speaker 1>the bulb itself. You know. Somehow I imagine that this

0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:50.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing would become more common in new homes

0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:54.639
<v Speaker 1>than as us. Yeah. I think it all depends on

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:58.960
<v Speaker 1>the person as well. Like my home is relatively new,

0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:01.720
<v Speaker 1>but I could see myself making In fact, I have

0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:04.879
<v Speaker 1>I've got internet connected lights in my living room, so

0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:06.560
<v Speaker 1>I can turn the lights on in my house right

0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:08.560
<v Speaker 1>now or turn them off or dim them. I like

0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:10.159
<v Speaker 1>to do that when my wife is at home and

0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:12.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm not and I make her think that it's haunted.

0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:16.240
<v Speaker 1>I almost always get a text immediately afterward saying knock

0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:20.399
<v Speaker 1>it off. She's like, I know it's you, and it

0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:23.480
<v Speaker 1>always is. But yeah, I can see this definitely being

0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:27.240
<v Speaker 1>something that gets built into newer homes. And because because

0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:31.879
<v Speaker 1>even even with the ease of installation, it's still a

0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:37.160
<v Speaker 1>level of investment and both money and in time. Oh yeah, yeah. Well,

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:40.040
<v Speaker 1>if you look at the way that smart options have

0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:44.000
<v Speaker 1>been integrated into cars. For example, I've got a I've

0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 1>got a car from two thousand two, and um, it's

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:50.840
<v Speaker 1>got a CD player and a tape deck. Yeah, and

0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:53.359
<v Speaker 1>I can play m P three players by putting a

0:26:53.440 --> 0:26:56.560
<v Speaker 1>special connecting tape in the tape deck and running a

0:26:56.600 --> 0:27:00.639
<v Speaker 1>line in the game I used to play that. But

0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:03.040
<v Speaker 1>but but you know, um so there are ways of

0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:07.159
<v Speaker 1>getting technology into even even my older car shop. But

0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 1>but it's a lot easier if it's just built into

0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:12.719
<v Speaker 1>the right going going and getting an aftermarket you know,

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:15.919
<v Speaker 1>system is an option, but that is a that's a

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:19.480
<v Speaker 1>big investment, and it requires that you take your you're

0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:22.640
<v Speaker 1>not gonna be making I would never make that conversion myself.

0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:25.560
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't know the first thing about installing a new

0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:29.399
<v Speaker 1>entertainment system into my vehicle, so you know, I would

0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:31.960
<v Speaker 1>have to have other people do that, and you know that.

0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:34.080
<v Speaker 1>I actually think that a lot of the smart home

0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:38.399
<v Speaker 1>stuff is significantly easier than the car. But but if

0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:41.760
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about everything, who I mean, that's a lot

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:45.080
<v Speaker 1>of work, right, That's there's not like the one stop

0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:47.399
<v Speaker 1>shop where you just turn your whole home into an

0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:51.600
<v Speaker 1>automated superhouse, right, So so that's actually kind of kind

0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:54.040
<v Speaker 1>of a drawback. Really is is the kind of rate

0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:58.120
<v Speaker 1>of potential adoption for this technology? What are some others? Yeah,

0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 1>I think it's important to explore some of the drawbacks

0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 1>because anytime you have a new, a new sort of

0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:07.760
<v Speaker 1>genre of technology coming into our lives. There's gonna be

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:10.679
<v Speaker 1>a lot of kinks to work out. Yeah, and there

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:13.919
<v Speaker 1>and meddally, there are a ton with smart health technology,

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:18.159
<v Speaker 1>and it would be irresponsible of us to suggest otherwise.

0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 1>There are quite a few things we could talk about.

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:24.919
<v Speaker 1>One is, uh, it's a frustration for consumers. It's the

0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:28.159
<v Speaker 1>whole locked in ecosystem. Oh yeah, yeah. I mean, if

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:32.040
<v Speaker 1>if you're going to have your music system communicating with

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:35.320
<v Speaker 1>your television, then do you need to have a music

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:38.080
<v Speaker 1>system and a television created by the same company, right?

0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Or if you have a smart washer and a smart dryer,

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:44.280
<v Speaker 1>do they have to both be of the same brand? Uh?

0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:48.240
<v Speaker 1>And even maybe even models that were produced very close

0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 1>to Yeah, because as technology improves, sometimes it's not as

0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:55.680
<v Speaker 1>backwards compatible as you would like it to be. And uh,

0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 1>or if you want your refrigerator and stove to work together.

0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 1>And I've seen, like I've seen full systems where there's

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:07.080
<v Speaker 1>this full integration between multiple appliances. And appliances are big

0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:11.040
<v Speaker 1>ticket items. I mean these are expensive, right, and most

0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:14.400
<v Speaker 1>of us, uh, I think it's fair to say most

0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:18.200
<v Speaker 1>of us in this room, myself included are not necessarily

0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:20.400
<v Speaker 1>the type who are ready to go out and buy

0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:25.040
<v Speaker 1>a pair or more major appliances at the same time.

0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:29.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah no, not not this week anyway. Who knows what

0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 1>next week will bring. Yeah, that's another reason we might

0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:34.800
<v Speaker 1>be seeing this more often in new homes, right, major

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 1>like whole room renovation right right, because because that financial

0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 1>investment is significant, and if you are locked into an ecosystem,

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 1>that's a problem because most most consumers, I would think,

0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 1>I like to have some options, right. They don't want

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:52.640
<v Speaker 1>to end up saying, well, I love this washer and

0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:54.760
<v Speaker 1>I really like this other dryer, but there's no point

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 1>in getting the two because they can't communicate with each

0:29:56.840 --> 0:29:59.160
<v Speaker 1>other because they're made by different manufacturers and they they

0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:02.920
<v Speaker 1>speak differ print languages. And that's a real problem with

0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:05.800
<v Speaker 1>home connected homes. There are a lot of systems that

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 1>are dependent upon one another and they have to speak

0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:12.000
<v Speaker 1>the common language, and that means you're locked into a

0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:16.240
<v Speaker 1>specific manufacturer, whether you like it or not. Yeah. Sure,

0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 1>And I mean also just for controlling them. Like imagine

0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:20.680
<v Speaker 1>if you've got if every appliance in your home is

0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:24.479
<v Speaker 1>a smart appliance and you have I don't know twenty

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 1>five apps you have to use to manage every single

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:30.080
<v Speaker 1>one of them, right, Like my lights I was talking about,

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:32.440
<v Speaker 1>that's a specific app on my phone, right, So if

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:33.960
<v Speaker 1>I got one from my locks, that would be a

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:36.160
<v Speaker 1>separate app. And if I got so if I got

0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 1>a security system with cameras, that would be another app.

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 1>And if I got you know, etcetera et other. And

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:42.640
<v Speaker 1>you eventually get to a point where you have, I

0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:46.120
<v Speaker 1>have a page on my smartphone that's just all the

0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 1>apps that handle my my house, and that alone is frustrating.

0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 1>On top of that, I'd say we can't always count

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 1>on these apps being incredibly user friendly and frustration free,

0:30:57.040 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Like what if half of those apps are cons instantly,

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Like do you want to install this proprietary toolbar and

0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:06.880
<v Speaker 1>ads for things? Sure? Sure? And I mean and they

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 1>can be I mean, software gets buggy. Apps are frequently

0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:14.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of buggy and need continual updates. And you know,

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 1>some there's definitely some devices or some apps that work

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 1>better on one platform or another. So you might have

0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:24.840
<v Speaker 1>some devices that work better or only work with one

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 1>platform or another. Like if you're an Apple user, you

0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:31.640
<v Speaker 1>might not be able to use that Samsung TV that Yeah,

0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:34.880
<v Speaker 1>that would get like incredibly frustrating. Could you just imagine

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 1>telling people like this house my house, it's amazing if

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:43.480
<v Speaker 1>I were an Apple user, but because it's pretty much

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:46.200
<v Speaker 1>a standard, I gotta do everything by hand. Anyway, it's

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 1>a dumb house. It's a stupid house. But the the

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:54.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's that's a great point. It's really possible

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 1>that the appliances, like you you could get hardware that

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:01.000
<v Speaker 1>you think is amazing, but the apps are terrible, or

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:03.800
<v Speaker 1>vice versa. You could get an app that has a

0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:06.960
<v Speaker 1>great user interface, it's really well designed, it's smooth, but

0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:10.719
<v Speaker 1>the actual appliance isn't that great. And these are all issues.

0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:13.760
<v Speaker 1>This is why we want to see lots more options

0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:16.760
<v Speaker 1>in our when we're making our choices for these sort

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:18.840
<v Speaker 1>of things. Oh yeah, that that is definitely. I mean,

0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:21.479
<v Speaker 1>as we have discussed on the show before, the future

0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:24.760
<v Speaker 1>is probably not going to be as perfect and smooth

0:32:24.840 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 1>as movies usually portray it. Um, you know, even smart

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:31.880
<v Speaker 1>homes biggest success story so far, Nest had a recall

0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:36.160
<v Speaker 1>in that affected four d and forty thousand units of Protect,

0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:41.000
<v Speaker 1>which is there smoke and carbon monoxide alarm. Yeah. It

0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:43.640
<v Speaker 1>the thing with that by the way, in case you're

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 1>wondering what the recall was about, it didn't like explode

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:48.760
<v Speaker 1>or anything like that. Just the computer could get confused

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:53.720
<v Speaker 1>by input from the motion detector while simultaneously detecting smoke

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:56.240
<v Speaker 1>or carbon monoxide and thus failed to set off the alarm,

0:32:56.320 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 1>which is I mean, if you've got an alarm as

0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 1>designed to you just sort of things, that's a that's

0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:04.000
<v Speaker 1>a pretty big flaw, especially if you're in the room

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:06.600
<v Speaker 1>and there's a carbon monoxide leak, right, you kind of

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 1>want to know about it. In that case, it's it's

0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:12.600
<v Speaker 1>otherwise undetectable. I mean, this is yeah, that is absolutely

0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:16.120
<v Speaker 1>a fundamental flaw in the technology, right. So so I

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:18.760
<v Speaker 1>do think that we're going to see a lot of

0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:22.200
<v Speaker 1>glitches like that in these early years, and that that could,

0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, possibly put a lot of consumers off and

0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:30.960
<v Speaker 1>slow the process of of overall rollout and development. Yeah.

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:33.880
<v Speaker 1>So a lot of these kind of things could affect

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:38.680
<v Speaker 1>multiple types of smart home devices, whether they're for automation

0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 1>or for remote access and connectedness. But there are some

0:33:45.240 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 1>flaws with the idea of the smart home that are

0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:53.120
<v Speaker 1>specifically related to the connectedness, the remote access. The fact

0:33:53.200 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 1>that you're going to be transmitting data beyond the sort

0:33:56.600 --> 0:34:00.240
<v Speaker 1>of perimeter of the house itself. And I wanted to

0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:04.800
<v Speaker 1>bring up one super disturbing example that I actually came

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:07.520
<v Speaker 1>across because Josh and Chuck were talking about it on

0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:09.960
<v Speaker 1>one of their videos not too long ago. Speak not

0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:14.440
<v Speaker 1>their names on this show, Josh and Chuck of stuff

0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:17.440
<v Speaker 1>you should know who speak not their show name on

0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:20.560
<v Speaker 1>the No I love Josh and Chuck. Yes, of course,

0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:22.279
<v Speaker 1>if you're not a fan of stuff you should know,

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:26.040
<v Speaker 1>you should be. But anyway, what they were talking about

0:34:26.160 --> 0:34:30.440
<v Speaker 1>was in April two thousand and fourteen, and there was

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 1>this story came out. So what I found was there

0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 1>was a Cincinnati area of Fox affiliate that that reported

0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:41.520
<v Speaker 1>on this somebody hacked a baby monitor. Oh yeah. Supposedly

0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:44.160
<v Speaker 1>there was a woman in a house in the in

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:46.239
<v Speaker 1>this area of Ohio and she woke up in the

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:48.680
<v Speaker 1>middle of the night because she heard a man's voice

0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:52.480
<v Speaker 1>in her baby's room. It turned out her baby monitor

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:56.880
<v Speaker 1>camera was moving without her moving it, and someone was

0:34:57.000 --> 0:35:01.240
<v Speaker 1>yelling at the baby through the intercom, wake up baby,

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:06.160
<v Speaker 1>that's not cool at all. Nope. And then the father

0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:09.280
<v Speaker 1>entered the room and apparently the camera turned to him,

0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:12.440
<v Speaker 1>and whoever was on the other end yelled some very unpleasant,

0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:16.399
<v Speaker 1>unkind things. It was reported that the camera they used

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:20.239
<v Speaker 1>was a Fostcam wireless I P camera, and this is

0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 1>a camera that, of course you can get remote access

0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:26.640
<v Speaker 1>to because it's designed to be able to be accessed

0:35:26.680 --> 0:35:29.239
<v Speaker 1>through an app. So if one of the parents is, say,

0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:31.160
<v Speaker 1>out at the store or something, and they want to

0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:34.360
<v Speaker 1>they want to check in on the baby through their phone,

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:37.080
<v Speaker 1>they can do that. On one hand, that seems like

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:39.520
<v Speaker 1>a really good convenient thing to be able to do.

0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:43.520
<v Speaker 1>On the other hand, if you don't have all the

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:48.040
<v Speaker 1>proper security measures in place, this can allow this kind

0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:50.799
<v Speaker 1>of behavior. Well. Yeah, if you have any system where

0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:53.840
<v Speaker 1>there's going to be two way communication, then that means

0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:56.879
<v Speaker 1>that while you have the access to get in and

0:35:56.920 --> 0:36:01.520
<v Speaker 1>have have this remote ability to to actually access your

0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:07.160
<v Speaker 1>your home, if security is not well designed or well implemented, uh,

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:10.120
<v Speaker 1>then so could someone else. I mean, that's the idea

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:13.840
<v Speaker 1>is that if if you are able to uh to

0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:17.480
<v Speaker 1>make this connection, then other people who are able to

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:20.480
<v Speaker 1>breach that security can do the same thing. Yeah, exactly right.

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:25.520
<v Speaker 1>So this original article, this Fox nineteen article from Cincinnati area.

0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:29.839
<v Speaker 1>They cited this so called solutions expert I don't know

0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:34.479
<v Speaker 1>quite what that means, named Dave Hatter, and they said

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<v Speaker 1>that he explained that you've got to change the password

0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:41.080
<v Speaker 1>on these things, and you've got to keep the updates relevant,

0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 1>but the systems aren't gonna necessarily take care of you

0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:50.160
<v Speaker 1>like this this camera. It apparently required a firmware update

0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:53.880
<v Speaker 1>to patch a known security flaw, but the camera doesn't

0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 1>do that automatically. You've got to like go to their

0:36:56.040 --> 0:37:00.320
<v Speaker 1>website and download it. And if you don't do at

0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:03.279
<v Speaker 1>then you have this major security vulner But that's a

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:05.319
<v Speaker 1>flaw that I think could have easily been solved by

0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:08.960
<v Speaker 1>a push notification. But I mean sure, but I mean,

0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:12.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe they weren't. I don't know, um. And

0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:15.240
<v Speaker 1>also I mean I don't know about their WiFi status,

0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:18.759
<v Speaker 1>like whether they had a good password on their yeah,

0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:21.600
<v Speaker 1>because because like WiFi routers, you know, they almost come

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 1>always come with the log in as admin and the

0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:27.279
<v Speaker 1>passwords password, and a lot of people don't change that,

0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:30.640
<v Speaker 1>which is we'll talk more about that in a second. Well,

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:33.840
<v Speaker 1>it actually gets worse because there was a Newsweek article

0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:39.319
<v Speaker 1>from November that pointed out how a Russian website was

0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:44.040
<v Speaker 1>recently displaying video from people's in home internet connected devices,

0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:48.879
<v Speaker 1>including CCTV, webcams and baby monitors, and this included more

0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:52.560
<v Speaker 1>than four thousand homes and businesses in the United States,

0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:56.399
<v Speaker 1>two thousand in France, and five in the United Kingdom.

0:37:56.440 --> 0:38:00.480
<v Speaker 1>And again this was chalked up to unprotected devices like

0:38:00.640 --> 0:38:03.160
<v Speaker 1>this is why, this is why Matt Frederick of Stuff

0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 1>they Don't Want you to Know has has tape over

0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:08.640
<v Speaker 1>all of his webcams. This is also why you had

0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:11.400
<v Speaker 1>so many people up in arms when Microsoft said the

0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Xbox One originally was going to ship with the Connect

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:16.640
<v Speaker 1>and that was that like you had to have a

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:19.560
<v Speaker 1>connect and that only that, but the Xbox One itself

0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:22.959
<v Speaker 1>would always be on. And those combinations where you haven't

0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:26.040
<v Speaker 1>always on device that also has a camera pointed into

0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:30.759
<v Speaker 1>your space. Yeah whatever, Yeah, yeah, that's that's that. A

0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:34.040
<v Speaker 1>lot of people balkedd that reasonably. I would say, well,

0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:36.640
<v Speaker 1>I've seen a lot of commentaries on the Internet who

0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:39.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, seemed to me to be unsympathetic to

0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 1>the people being spied on here because they're like, oh,

0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 1>it's stupid, you should know to change your password and

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:48.000
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, and I'm like, but let's not victim

0:38:48.080 --> 0:38:50.239
<v Speaker 1>blame here, right, I mean, yeah, it's good to know

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:52.200
<v Speaker 1>to change your password, but a lot of people are

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:55.640
<v Speaker 1>not especially tech savvy. They don't deserve to be spied

0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:58.160
<v Speaker 1>on because they're you know, they don't know a whole

0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:01.200
<v Speaker 1>lot about how to best protect technology. I think that's

0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:03.560
<v Speaker 1>something that the people who do know what they're doing,

0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 1>like the manufacturers of these devices, should really put steps

0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:11.800
<v Speaker 1>in place to to you know, make sure that proper

0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:15.480
<v Speaker 1>security is being enforce So, in other words, you develop

0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:17.520
<v Speaker 1>a product so that when you first set it up,

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:19.920
<v Speaker 1>it prompts you to change the password and won't let

0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:24.360
<v Speaker 1>you continue until you've done so. Yeah, I mean, I

0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:27.719
<v Speaker 1>don't think it's fair to say, well, what a total

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:30.920
<v Speaker 1>nano rod won't change their password, you know, you find

0:39:30.960 --> 0:39:34.399
<v Speaker 1>that their baby gets fed on. That's silly to me. Yeah,

0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:37.960
<v Speaker 1>I agree, it's there. There are two sides of this.

0:39:38.360 --> 0:39:40.359
<v Speaker 1>Jumping ahead a little bit, but that's okay. There's two

0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:42.880
<v Speaker 1>sides of this. One is that I think there definitely

0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 1>needs to be consumer education where people are aware of

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:50.799
<v Speaker 1>the possible UH security breaches that could exist if they

0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:54.960
<v Speaker 1>don't practice good security. I think that is necessary because

0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:59.440
<v Speaker 1>even if you have this essentially you know policy that

0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:03.120
<v Speaker 1>that's some companies adopt to UH, to prompt people to

0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:05.719
<v Speaker 1>change their passwords. I don't know that you can mandate that,

0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:08.720
<v Speaker 1>and even if you did, technically you should be changing

0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:13.359
<v Speaker 1>it fairly frequently anyway, or at least regularly. So has

0:40:13.360 --> 0:40:15.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot of work on the back end. And honestly,

0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:18.560
<v Speaker 1>the companies that make the stuff have a lot more

0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:22.600
<v Speaker 1>pull than we consumers do. So UH, I think you

0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:24.480
<v Speaker 1>have to take a two pronged approach. You have to

0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 1>put the pressure on companies to say, let's let's try

0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:29.959
<v Speaker 1>and give people set them up for success. Let's let's

0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:34.680
<v Speaker 1>make sure we design things that that encourage good security,

0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:38.960
<v Speaker 1>and maybe that encouragement includes requiring it. And then on

0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:42.279
<v Speaker 1>the other side, teach people, the consumers, why this is

0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:45.799
<v Speaker 1>an important thing, so that you don't become a victim. Yeah,

0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:49.239
<v Speaker 1>I agree. But one thing that I think is worth

0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:52.279
<v Speaker 1>pointing out is that all these devices we were just

0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:55.680
<v Speaker 1>talking about are sort of like video streaming or media

0:40:55.800 --> 0:40:59.320
<v Speaker 1>streaming devices. But that's not the only way that a

0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:04.360
<v Speaker 1>connect did a remote access device could compromise your privacy.

0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:07.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it doesn't have to be videos. Just pure

0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:12.160
<v Speaker 1>data could compromise your privacy in interesting ways you wouldn't expect. Yeah,

0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:15.120
<v Speaker 1>we had a little example when we chatted about this

0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:19.680
<v Speaker 1>earlier about imagine that you have one of these Internet

0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:23.640
<v Speaker 1>connected thermostats and someone is able to access it and

0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:27.839
<v Speaker 1>just see how you are heating or cooling your home

0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 1>throughout the year. That could be information that's used to

0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:34.840
<v Speaker 1>shame you, especially if you heard like a politician running

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:38.200
<v Speaker 1>on an eco friendly campaign, that would be you know,

0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:41.640
<v Speaker 1>we we saw similar things when there was a information

0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:45.719
<v Speaker 1>about al Gore's uh energy use in his home, like

0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:48.239
<v Speaker 1>that was being used to try and shame him as

0:41:48.280 --> 0:41:52.319
<v Speaker 1>he was doing his Inconvenient Truth tours. So this is

0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:56.000
<v Speaker 1>stuff that actually happens. I mean, it's that is uh,

0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:59.600
<v Speaker 1>maybe a fairly benign example, because I don't know that

0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:01.880
<v Speaker 1>many of us are going to be running on campaigns

0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:06.319
<v Speaker 1>where we're really dependent upon putting forth an image of

0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:09.160
<v Speaker 1>being eco friendly while secretly we're like bern all the

0:42:09.200 --> 0:42:11.800
<v Speaker 1>coal I don't know that that's going to be that common.

0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:14.759
<v Speaker 1>But there are other examples as well. Just anything that

0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:18.880
<v Speaker 1>is going to be monitoring you in any way, whether

0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:20.880
<v Speaker 1>it's just to say when you're home and when you're not.

0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Obviously that could be useful information for someone. If someone's

0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:29.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, electronically casing your home and says, uh, because

0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:31.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm able to look at these systems, I can see

0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:34.800
<v Speaker 1>that this person is regularly not at home at these

0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:37.760
<v Speaker 1>times of day. That kind of stuff could be dangerous.

0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:40.560
<v Speaker 1>There are other issues as well. Uh. We talked about

0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:45.160
<v Speaker 1>internet connected locks. Obviously, you want really good security on

0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:47.600
<v Speaker 1>anything that's going to be a lock in your home.

0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:49.799
<v Speaker 1>You don't want people to have remote access to it.

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:53.640
<v Speaker 1>And in fact, there was a a black Hat USA

0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:57.640
<v Speaker 1>conference where some hackers demonstrated that they were able, or

0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:00.640
<v Speaker 1>at least they published the papers say they were able

0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:05.680
<v Speaker 1>to uh access a z wave based internet connected lock

0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:07.920
<v Speaker 1>and unlock it. They were able to hack into it.

0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:11.480
<v Speaker 1>They didn't have the access to it authorized access, they

0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:14.920
<v Speaker 1>got unauthorized access and were able to operate it. That

0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:18.759
<v Speaker 1>being said, in that particular case, it was because the

0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:21.960
<v Speaker 1>manufacturer had created a product that had a bug in it,

0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:26.120
<v Speaker 1>a flaw on the programming that did not incorporate the

0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:31.080
<v Speaker 1>security protocol properly, and in fact we're able to address

0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:33.439
<v Speaker 1>that with a patch, and once the patch was made,

0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:36.640
<v Speaker 1>the hackers could no longer access that lock. So it's

0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:39.480
<v Speaker 1>not that there was a fundamental flaw in the technology,

0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:42.319
<v Speaker 1>it was that the technology even poorly implemented. Well, you

0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:45.760
<v Speaker 1>need to make sure sometimes there's just not an easy

0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:47.319
<v Speaker 1>way to do this, but you need to make sure

0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:51.080
<v Speaker 1>that the that it was properly implemented. Yeah. Yeah, and

0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:55.320
<v Speaker 1>that is absolutely the responsibility of the product designers software

0:43:55.320 --> 0:43:57.319
<v Speaker 1>team exactly. Yeah. So it's one of those things where

0:43:57.360 --> 0:44:00.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's a big there's a point where you

0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:04.240
<v Speaker 1>put your trust in some other company. Now, some security

0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:08.440
<v Speaker 1>experts have pointed out that in order to hack into

0:44:08.880 --> 0:44:11.920
<v Speaker 1>an internet connected lock, for example, like to be able

0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:14.239
<v Speaker 1>to get access to a house, we require so much

0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:17.160
<v Speaker 1>effort that they're just easier physical ways of doing the

0:44:17.200 --> 0:44:20.320
<v Speaker 1>same thing, like drilling out a lock. I mean, I

0:44:20.320 --> 0:44:23.360
<v Speaker 1>I think that there's I think that there's probably a

0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:25.360
<v Speaker 1>lot easier ways to to break into a home, and

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:27.160
<v Speaker 1>I really hope that we're not heading towards the future

0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:31.160
<v Speaker 1>where people have incredibly intricate digital locks and large plate

0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:35.520
<v Speaker 1>glass windows, right exactly. Yeah, you can end up literally

0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:39.880
<v Speaker 1>hacking with an AX and and that was something that

0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:42.759
<v Speaker 1>the security expert said, It's like, well, we start to

0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:48.759
<v Speaker 1>obsess over the vulnerabilities and technology that we're depending upon,

0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:52.600
<v Speaker 1>and we're ignoring the fact that very that that generally speaking,

0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:56.560
<v Speaker 1>it's a very small population that that's capable of exploiting

0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:59.960
<v Speaker 1>those vulnerabilities. But there's a larger population of people who

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:02.960
<v Speaker 1>those vulnerabilities that doesn't even enter their head. That's not

0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:05.440
<v Speaker 1>an issue. I could kick your door in, you know,

0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't hack your smart lock. Yeah. So so, I

0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:10.880
<v Speaker 1>mean that's one of those things is that while we

0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:14.000
<v Speaker 1>are bringing up some of these negatives, in some cases

0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:16.320
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of a moot point. Really it's not that

0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:18.000
<v Speaker 1>big a deal. But there are other things too. I mean,

0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I could imagine a hacker getting access to uh internet

0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:26.120
<v Speaker 1>connected thermostat and then cranking up the heat when you're gone.

0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:28.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean that could actually be a very dangerous thing.

0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:30.359
<v Speaker 1>Let's say you've got pets and they crank the heat

0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:33.759
<v Speaker 1>way up on a hot day. It's not good. Yeah yeah,

0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:35.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, even if they're just trying to

0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:39.400
<v Speaker 1>like prank you by like raising your heating your electricity boilers,

0:45:39.840 --> 0:45:42.680
<v Speaker 1>that yeah, it could be bad for your fish. Yeah,

0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:45.239
<v Speaker 1>there's lots of stuff that could be really seriously a

0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:50.080
<v Speaker 1>problem delicate they are, okay, yeah, I believe you. I

0:45:50.120 --> 0:45:53.000
<v Speaker 1>don't have any fish meet me neither. I just their delicate.

0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:56.719
<v Speaker 1>I used to, but then I set my heat too

0:45:56.800 --> 0:46:01.759
<v Speaker 1>high and burnt fish. No, they really really to require

0:46:01.840 --> 0:46:03.800
<v Speaker 1>constant care. This is why I don't own fish. I

0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:08.200
<v Speaker 1>would kill all them here. So, yeah, there's a lot

0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:11.560
<v Speaker 1>of there. There are things to be concerned about with

0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:15.080
<v Speaker 1>this kind of technology, but uh, that doesn't mean we

0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:16.520
<v Speaker 1>need to be afraid of it. We just need to

0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:18.879
<v Speaker 1>be vigilant. We need to make sure that the implementation

0:46:19.000 --> 0:46:20.759
<v Speaker 1>is proper. We need to make sure we're taking the

0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:23.760
<v Speaker 1>best steps that we can as consumers. We need to

0:46:23.800 --> 0:46:28.360
<v Speaker 1>continue to pay attention to what companies are doing as manufacturers,

0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:31.120
<v Speaker 1>and as long as we're all doing our part, we

0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:33.359
<v Speaker 1>can make sure we get to that amazing future where

0:46:33.400 --> 0:46:36.120
<v Speaker 1>our smart homes are anticipating our every need and everything's

0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:39.080
<v Speaker 1>awesome and and relaxing, and it frees us up to

0:46:39.080 --> 0:46:42.880
<v Speaker 1>watch so much of The Bachelor. Yeah yeah, yeah, maybe,

0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:48.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean I gotta give supernatural break Sometimes Sam and

0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Dean need to go on their own for a while,

0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:53.120
<v Speaker 1>and then I need to just look at a rose

0:46:53.719 --> 0:46:56.240
<v Speaker 1>for a for a bit. That's all. I've got needs.

0:46:56.400 --> 0:46:58.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what you're talking about. I'll tell you

0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:01.319
<v Speaker 1>all about after the podcast. Any rate, Uh, this was

0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:05.120
<v Speaker 1>an interesting topic to really kind of dive into and explore,

0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:08.040
<v Speaker 1>like the positives and the negatives and and it's something

0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:09.880
<v Speaker 1>that we plan on doing a lot of in the future.

0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:11.960
<v Speaker 1>And you know other other technologies that are kind of

0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:14.719
<v Speaker 1>emerging tech and sort of take a critical look at

0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:18.160
<v Speaker 1>them and say, where are the areas where we need

0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:21.120
<v Speaker 1>further development to make sure it's a technology that is

0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:25.080
<v Speaker 1>going to be good for us, not something that's like, oh,

0:47:25.120 --> 0:47:28.160
<v Speaker 1>let's all adopt this and then realize that was a mistake, right,

0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:30.800
<v Speaker 1>like those three D televisions everyone got a couple of

0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:35.480
<v Speaker 1>years ago. Whoops. All right, Well, that wraps up this episode.

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