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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast was rated by n Welcome

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Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Dan Hansis and I am joined and room

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Speaker 1: filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: What is up? Boys? Hey Dan, Welcome to the Thursday show.

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Speaker 1: We're now exactly two weeks away from the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: How about that? What was it that you were saying

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Speaker 1: to me as our mike's were cut? You defamed me

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Speaker 1: as we were going about too about to enter the show,

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Speaker 1: and I did not hear the did not defame you?

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Speaker 1: But um, every once in a while when we are

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Speaker 1: in the studio, Mark is a little impatient when we're

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Speaker 1: doing too much chattering before because you're trying to get

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Speaker 1: home or out of here. And I had a bit

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Speaker 1: that I was saying what you were actually going to

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Speaker 1: because you told us you were going home. She had

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Speaker 1: to do chores. None of us believe you. So there's

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Speaker 1: something you're doing something after the show today. I had

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Speaker 1: a bit, but I can't say it on air because

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Speaker 1: it's my current life cannot be more dull. So I

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Speaker 1: have no other plan to hatch. It is ten fifty

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Speaker 1: ten a m. Yeah, so let's say that theory we're

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Speaker 1: gonna start at ten forty. It is ten fifty. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you want to see this, Um, I know that

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Speaker 1: Wes agrees with me. Light attitude from Mark. You can

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Speaker 1: check out up to the minute on Friday, our hit

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Speaker 1: will likely be around the eleven. Drop what you're doing

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Speaker 1: Whereas on with no sound, I don't know. I do

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Speaker 1: agree with you, but only because in the seven years

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Speaker 1: started on time. Well we would have had Yeah, you're right,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of complaining for delays that we're done

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Speaker 1: to ensure the podcast was better today. That's what it's about.

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Speaker 1: I am not complaining. I'm just pointing out a fact.

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Speaker 1: That's That's what I'm doing. Also simply operating in facts

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Speaker 1: clock time. Um, alright. No one'll have its chores more

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Speaker 1: than marks the chores. Um all right, today's show got

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Speaker 1: give them? Um oh yeah, two weeks from the draft

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Speaker 1: and mentioned this on the Twitter show, uh in passing

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Speaker 1: during a segment we did, and you could check out

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Speaker 1: our Twitter show. I think I have it pinned on

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Speaker 1: the top of my Twitter profile. If you want to

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Speaker 1: get it there, we do. You know, it's a good show.

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Speaker 1: You're on the Twitter show we do every Wednesday. But

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Speaker 1: I said, how if you could throw one thing into

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Speaker 1: the black hole? It is this period of the calendar

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Speaker 1: which just seems excessive and unnecessary. I flushed it out

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Speaker 1: a little bit, just if any shadowy League figures are listening.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I'm gonna pound on some tables and go

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Speaker 1: me know if you agree. So super Bowl first Sunday

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Speaker 1: in February. Fine, Combine last week in February, first week

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Speaker 1: in March. Fine, mid March, Free agency, the new League.

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Speaker 1: all right, So the owners meetings at the end of March,

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Speaker 1: that's fine. But what I want to do in there

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Speaker 1: and have the conversations that you need ahead of the draft.

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Speaker 1: Um during this time, all the pro days they have

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Speaker 1: out the pro day process and after your ice cream

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Speaker 1: social the next week, the first Thursday of april's the draft.

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Speaker 1: Who says, no, just condense this stuff, open up the

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Speaker 1: then you do the AFT right after that. Basically, you

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Speaker 1: As we continue to learn they all lie. They got time,

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Speaker 1: all this tape. It's all lies. What did DJ say,

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Speaker 1: it's all lies, all right, Here we go today's show.

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Speaker 1: Sorry children out here, we're really disabusing you of your

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Speaker 1: they're mostly white lies. It's all relative. This running back.

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Speaker 1: general managers, Yes they lie. Um, sometimes it's lies of omissions.

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna do it today. We're gonna we're gonna

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Speaker 1: some news that we broke in the NFL world. They're

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Speaker 1: called empty Uh, let's hit it, Ricky. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: Guy UM. He was on our Around the NFL Twitter

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Speaker 1: finished what I saw in January. The guy could definitely

428
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Speaker 1: still the six Super Bowl he'd are, you're a Patriots

429
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Speaker 1: fan again? Now? Oh, I I've always, I'm always. It's

430
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Speaker 1: been shifting endlessly over the last I never said, I said,

431
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 1: I said, one spell of chick has gone. So we're

432
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 1: still We're still well into it. Um fair. Stephen Gustowski

433
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 1: also resigned with the Patriots, uh, putting an end to

434
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Speaker 1: the most boring saga of the offseason. Will the kickers?

435
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Speaker 1: Will the Patriots retain their kicker? And they have good

436
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 1: for them? I looked at their rafter and I thought,

437
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 1: if Jason Garrett was the coach, how many wins would

438
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Speaker 1: you give the Patriots? Tom Brady is still a quarterback.

439
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I'd put the over under an eight and

440
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: a half. Uh. One last Patriot note. A Chiefs fan

441
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: was cited for shining a laser pointer at Tom Rady

442
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: in the a f C title game. He was a

443
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: sixty four year old man. No, come on, grow up,

444
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 1: Peter Pan, sixty four and you're at a football game

445
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: shining a laser light into the eyes of I mean,

446
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 1: it only makes sense that he's older, because that is

447
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 1: that was a very popular like blassroom trick like in

448
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: the late eighties and early nineties. Remember people take it

449
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 1: to the movie theater too, and it's like, bro, what

450
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: are you getting out of this? It's not a it's

451
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: amazing what he's what he was able to overcome in

452
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 1: that game. He really, uh can I remember watching it

453
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 1: up here at the end together. It was a beautiful moment. Finally,

454
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Speaker 1: So you are a Patriots fan, that's good. I was.

455
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Speaker 1: I am, I am. I said through the Belichick era,

456
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Speaker 1: it's not like a drop it. We should have like,

457
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Speaker 1: uh something on the wall and we know pot. Yeah,

458
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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think. Uh. Finally, in the news,

459
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: Eagles signed wide receiver Charles Johnson to a one year deal. Um.

460
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: He's the latest or just one of many uh A

461
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 1: F players who have now found homes with NFL teams,

462
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: which is a great thing because the way that league

463
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: folded was a disgrace. I think we could all agree

464
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily the fault of all the people involved

465
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Speaker 1: with that operation, but the way it fell apart, it

466
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: was just not fair to the players involved. So it's

467
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 1: good to see some guys getting deals. Johnson, who was

468
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Speaker 1: on the Orlando apollos Um, led the league in receiving

469
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: He had sixdred and eighty seven yards and five tds

470
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Speaker 1: on forty five catches in just eight games. So that

471
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: guy was balling out, as the kids say. And now

472
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: he'll get a chance um to stick around with the Eagles.

473
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Speaker 1: He's an interesting guy. There have been portions of his

474
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Speaker 1: career where you thought, with his size and athletic ability,

475
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Speaker 1: he's got like number one receiver potential and he's just

476
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,719
Speaker 1: always been injured or having run ins with coaching staffs.

477
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Speaker 1: Are they just don't trust him? And the team seemed

478
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: to move on from him pretty quick? Is this the

479
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: same Charles Johnson? Yeah? I mean we've been on this

480
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: guy's path for half a decade. Former seventh incredibly underwhelmed

481
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Speaker 1: by what he's produced more than third. Yeah, he was

482
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: making the leap guy? Did we did we see that?

483
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: Remember back in the day. More than thirty guys from

484
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Speaker 1: the A A F have signed, including I think their

485
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Speaker 1: sack leader g ron Elliott. But I found it in

486
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Speaker 1: none from the Memphis team. So terrible job by Memphis

487
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: developing talent. But I thought it was interesting that the Dolphins,

488
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: who are you know, in this kind of rebuilding, they

489
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Speaker 1: signed by far the most they have seven A f

490
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Speaker 1: players on their rock. I think the Steelers signed Sick,

491
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Speaker 1: which is like, I think that's smart actual Dolphins. So

492
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Speaker 1: their Dolphins did. They're trying a little different approach, dropping

493
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Speaker 1: in the chand to talk a little signing in Miami

494
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: like it. I love it, And they might be more

495
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Speaker 1: of it. They might. We might be onto something that

496
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: this is like if you can hit on one or

497
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: one or two of these guys, or they might not

498
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: be on anything a little safe or it's part of

499
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: the anic fish tank. Let's get a bunch of guys

500
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: from a lower tier of professional football and pass them

501
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: off as actual topic challenge and go three and thirteen

502
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: also a possibility. That's what's happening in the news, all right.

503
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Speaker 1: Controversial seg Because Greg, I feel like you've you've had

504
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Speaker 1: to deal with some pushback in the past from general

505
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: managers and teams over an article that you write every spring.

506
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Speaker 1: Well this was last year was the first time, and

507
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: yes it got quite a bit of pushback. Yeah, um,

508
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: both internally and externally. Fair to say, what would the

509
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Speaker 1: internal problems be? Like, you know, Greg, you know, not

510
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: a great job here. Could have done better with West.

511
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Speaker 1: West feels that about most of the things they produced.

512
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Speaker 1: But other than that, I think internally, like most articles

513
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Speaker 1: produced internally are like met with like a quiet part basic. Yeah,

514
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: I would say, I would say internally was met with indifference.

515
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: But the Bears were unhappy. Someone in the Chicago Tribune

516
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 1: wrote a whole article where about ranking Ryan Paste too

517
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: low and you know what, he would then won an

518
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Speaker 1: Executive of the Year. So does that shake your confidence

519
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: a little bit going into this year? Because it's not

520
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: up on the site, you still have to write it.

521
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: Um coming, I have a you know, I've been working

522
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,239
Speaker 1: on it, but it's not coming until next week. This

523
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Speaker 1: is more you guys are gonna you know, we're all

524
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: gonna make around. This is a separate exercise. Greg's GM

525
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: power ranks will come up down the line, but this

526
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: will be our discussion about it. And uh, I think

527
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: you know, the good way to break it down is,

528
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Speaker 1: first of all, who are the new gms, Because even

529
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: though they did they've had the free agency, they haven't

530
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: had a draft yet, so they get the incomplete grades.

531
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Speaker 1: So we're gonna leave out who have four or five

532
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: teams In this conversation, Chris career for the Dolphins would

533
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: would be one, right, So people litally consider him a

534
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: new GM, but fair enough, I do, because he didn't

535
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: have the decision making power and they were pretty clear

536
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: about about that. Before that, he was kind of just

537
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: good aunt, pretty new. Um, I would put what we

538
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: got to skin. It's kind of hard to judge because

539
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: he was in Capella. Anyone that's had really less than

540
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: than that was hired before two thousand, I mean after

541
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: the two thousand eighteen, Like the start of that off

542
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: divided Marty Herney into two people, the pre gettleman in

543
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 1: the post Gettlement. I like that. That's fair alright, So

544
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: let's get into it. So factoring guys that have a

545
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: little bit more of runway to shape the team. UM,

546
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: let's break it down. Let's start. Let's start here. Actually,

547
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: let's start with with kind of the gold standard. Um,

548
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: who are the g ms or team builders that even

549
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: if they have a bad offseason, you don't, you're not

550
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: shaking in their conference. They're just guys that are kind

551
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: of above even this conversation of risers and fallers and

552
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: all that. Who Belichick obviously has to be at the

553
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: top of the I would put Howie Roseman in that group.

554
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: I would too, And I would put Kevin Colbert there

555
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: and not everything he's done is perfect, but I think

556
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: he has a twenty us a twenty year track to

557
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: clarify Howie Roseman of the Eagles and Kevin Colbert of

558
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: the Steelers, and uh, I think Colbert over time you

559
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: have to kind of just trust how he's managed all

560
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: the different ways of that roster. Uh. He does a

561
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: really good job of kind of filling in holes that

562
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: aren't even holes yet, and then they develop them and

563
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: then they have players ready to step in West. I

564
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: just want to applaud you want to take a real

565
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: quick uh break here to applaud the advances as a

566
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: broadcaster there that you you said, I I throughout some

567
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,479
Speaker 1: names and most football fans are gonna know which teams

568
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: they were. But as a broadcaster, you said, I'm going

569
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: to make sure you know that Culbert is with the Steelers.

570
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: You know? Do you know Roseman's with the Eagles. I

571
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,479
Speaker 1: think if we did not have a big listenership in

572
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: other countries, I wouldn't do that as much. But I

573
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: always think of like are United Kingdom fans and our

574
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Speaker 1: European fans in our Australia New Zealand and Mexican and

575
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Speaker 1: all that. That's why I do it. A lot of

576
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: them are new to the game. You imagine like NBC

577
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: Night Nightly News stopping down for like two reporters to

578
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: compliment each other how they handled the previous segment. Thank

579
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: you for that compliment, Dan, That's better than Greg's unfair

580
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: attack on what I would do with his article. I

581
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: was just to hear that I was joking. I was

582
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: joking this GM ranking. Who really knows. It's just entirely subjective.

583
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: All right, here we go, So Belichick, Roseman, Colbert. We

584
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: don't want to put anybody else in that list. I

585
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't put him right there, but John Schneider and Thomas Detrose,

586
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: two guys I thought too under that. Yeah, they're they're

587
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: hovering where and you know what Schneider and and I'm

588
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: gonna and I'm glad you guys are really helping me

589
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: do this exercise. You mean, Thomas de Mitroff of the

590
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons and John Schneider of the c L Seahawks.

591
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: Thanks well done. I really think we should just stop

592
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: and talk about the the hosting about that is really

593
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: distribut the leadership Snyder had a really good year. I

594
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: think Schneider and Carroll, you can't really separate them. Um,

595
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: you could almost put Pete Carroll right there with Schneyder

596
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: because you know that he's part of the personnel decisions.

597
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: The fact that they were able to rebuild on the

598
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: fly and they never turned into a losing team, like

599
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: there's this feeling I think that two thousand seventeen Seahawks

600
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: like totally fell apart. They went nine and seven and

601
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: then then and then they're back in the playoffs this year,

602
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: so they they're right there. I think Schneider is going

603
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: to be moving up ahead of Demitro. I would put

604
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: less sneed in this group to personally, I'm with you,

605
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: I agree. I don't know what what more he'd need

606
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: to do. They should be near the top. They showed

607
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: great patience as an organization, and see they believed in

608
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: even when the results weren't there. And now we're going on,

609
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: um two straight years, two NFC West titles, and I

610
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: think in general, one of the things you want in

611
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: the front office is you want to be able to

612
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Speaker 1: trust the guy's vision, and I think they absolutely do

613
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Speaker 1: and I put him in that right bull. I think

614
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: also like you don't have the trade tsunami uh become

615
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: anything more than just talk unless you have less. Sneed

616
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: being one of the guys that led the charge there,

617
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think changed the way that I think

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00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: you're right, and it's a it's a good it's a

619
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: good question for me to have to deal with writing

620
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: the rankings. It's like, how much do you knock him

621
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: for the Jeff Fisher era? And essentially is this a

622
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: power ranking of where they are currently or is it

623
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: a total like last year. I think I looked at

624
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Speaker 1: it because I've never done it before and thought, maybe

625
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: it's a one off of their entire job, and you

626
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta knock him a little bit for the

627
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher era. But maybe Ryan Pace and Sneed are

628
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: an example of there's only so much you can do

629
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: if the vision of your head coach and your head

630
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: coach is holding the organization back. Because I think everyone

631
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: who defended Ryan Pace to me a year ago saying

632
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: what could he do here? With John Fox, it really

633
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: isn't fair if you kind of look at the personnel

634
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: that he's actually put together. It's good they were right,

635
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: you know, and he was able to change on the fly,

636
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: just like Snead change on the fly together problem with

637
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: body of work, like it certainly is a factor for

638
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: your arms. He's been there since two thousand twelve and

639
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: they were pretty mediocre, right, but less Snead should get

640
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Speaker 1: points for evolving and changing the way the gms you

641
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: would want yours the riser, he's moving up. He's the riser.

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00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: I just wonder how much of the credit should be

643
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: going to McVeigh. Also fair by the way, Ryan Pace

644
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: dead last on Greg's rankings last year. So let's get

645
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Speaker 1: into some risers, because I'm sure Pace has to be

646
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: yeah for you at last, Greg, But do you guess riser?

647
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: I mean I guess on paper. But to me, Chris

648
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: Ballard is clearly the biggest riser over the last what's

649
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: your favorite? That's fair. I didn't even rank him because

650
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: and I would put John Dorsey right there with him.

651
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: To me, those two guys are joining, they're ready to

652
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: join the upper tier. I think that's absolutely fair. Ballard

653
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: I left off that list because a year ago because

654
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: he didn't you know, he had one year a body.

655
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: You know, he hadn't even gotten to his second draft

656
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: at that point. If you think about he inherited. They

657
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: can't protect Luck with that offensive line, they can't run

658
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: the ball, they haven't hit a hundred yard rusher in

659
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: five years. They have no back bone on defense. This

660
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: is an undisciplined soft team with nothing in the trenches.

661
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: And they are one a degrees opposite of that man.

662
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: On top of that hand, that Josh McDaniel situation, the

663
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: way he handled that, the having to answer nebulous questions

664
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: about Andrew Luck when your ownership is steering people in

665
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: weird directions on that and just never any drama. Ballard

666
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 1: might might vault very high on this list, and Dorsey,

667
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: I think will be even higher. And the reason is

668
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: Ballard gets a little bit of a boost, and it's

669
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: not his fault because he's only been in the league

670
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: two years and those two years have been fantastic. So

671
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: you look back at Colin Kaepernick's career or many players

672
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: throughout NFL history, where through two or three years they

673
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: were on a trajectory to be great. But I think

674
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: general managers, over time, you gotta give the experience, and

675
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: you know, doing a year after year after year as

676
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: a bonus. And now I look back at the Chief's

677
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: time in John Dorsey, and it's like you kind of

678
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: gotta give John Dorsey maybe a little more credit than

679
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: I was a year ago. Uh, for what he did

680
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: with him Give him credit from maneuvering up to draft

681
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes for the Chiefs before he left for the

682
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: brown So like Ballard to me, isn't gonna get in

683
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: that top five because he's only had two years. Even

684
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: though those top those last two years have been as

685
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: good as anyone. You can argue that Dorsey made the

686
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: two best front office moves. Dorsey, of course is now

687
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns general manager, and he used to be

688
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: with the Kansas City Chiefs, all right, Ryan Pace of course,

689
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: Chicago bar where's the same Khaki's pretty much every day,

690
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: and a nice Chris Ballard of the Indianapolis Colts. But

691
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: Dorsey in moving up and making the power play to

692
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 1: get Mahomes and then the recent trade of Odell Beckham,

693
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: probably the two best moves any general manager has made

694
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: in the last three years. He's a cowboy. Dorsey walked

695
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: into a great situation. And I think that a lot

696
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: of people about a year ago at this time, we're

697
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: simply refused to believe that John Dorsey the experience of

698
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: John Dorsey to the baseball hat, the sweatshirt like in

699
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: theory and anti analytics guy, which he's he's not. They

700
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: still have Paul Or they still have Deep Podesta in

701
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: their in their building working with them, and they are

702
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: listening to his But point being, you look back at

703
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: Sashy Brown's drafts, and Sashy Brown was awesome at setting

704
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: the table for what came next, But his drafts and

705
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: the football people in the billing that time produced very

706
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: little outside of Miles Garrett, which any one of us

707
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: could have made the number one pick. Logically, John Dorsey

708
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: has brought in way more talent in a short amount

709
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: of draft. Was okay, it wasn't a Duke Johnson Aga

710
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: it was. I would say it was a b It

711
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: was a average draft in the second round, was kind

712
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: of Johnson was raped. Let me lay a comparison on

713
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: you here, Lyndon Baines Johnson, who historians feel is underrated

714
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: compared to how the general public. Let me just jump

715
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: in former president of the United States. He he became

716
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: president with John F. Kennedy, was assassinated in the ninety three,

717
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: got elected again. And by the way, you're not getting

718
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: Now can I finish my So the number one job

719
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: of the chief executive is to pass legislation. Linda Maine

720
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: Johnson had the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act,

721
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: the Revenue Act, the War on Poverty. This is getting

722
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: Your job is to get things done. John Dorsey gets

723
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: things done. He doesn't build huge portfolios of draft picks,

724
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: and he doesn't really he got left all that cap space,

725
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 1: but he converted all of it into blue chip town.

726
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 1: That's your job, So Sashy in this case is JFK. Yes, Well,

727
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: I have some issues with all of that. I don't

728
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: like John Dorsey doesn't have like a ballooning the Vietnam

729
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: War into an international crisis on his resume. But other

730
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: than that, yes he did LBJ moved a lot of

731
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: things along. Um where is Sashi these days? By the way,

732
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: that's a great question. I mean he maybe he slipped

733
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 1: back into the law field. I don't know. Um alright,

734
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 1: any other risers before we moved to the Fallers, any

735
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: other risers going once, going twice? Hold on, I'm at

736
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: least while John Robinson was pretty high, think yeah, he's

737
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: continuing to move up. And Tom Talsco I think quiet

738
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: has done a really good job building up that roster,

739
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: and they they've done it the right way where they've

740
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: really done it through the draft and you can see

741
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: the culmination of all the years that they've done on

742
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: the roster. We um, we forgot to two guys that

743
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: we should put in the new category. Mike Mayock of course,

744
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: of course, and Eric the Costa of the Ravens taking

745
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: over for Ozzie Knew after what was a twenty five

746
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: year internship. Yeah, that's it's an interesting situation because the

747
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: Costa has been very big in that organization for a

748
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: long time. And I and the longer this goes on,

749
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: the more I realized Asie Knew some is still kind

750
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: of he might not be the GM, but he's in

751
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 1: the the Costa role. He was at the owners meeting,

752
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: he's at every league function, he's there at their office.

753
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 1: So he's absolutely working and they worked something out that

754
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: you know, he's maybe not working as hard as he

755
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: used to. He's not in the top chair, but they're

756
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: still like a partnership. They've just changed roles, which is

757
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: a credit to them. All Right, who's falling? I think, yeah, yes,

758
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: they've got him in I uh that's when where I

759
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: struggle with body of work, when you have moved into

760
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: what feels like painful team pr mouthpiece um amidst like

761
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: a rash of beguideline moves that leaves your fan base

762
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: off the side of the road. And when I when

763
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: I when I ranked him this high, I got some

764
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: pushback from Carolina people that that Gettleman was getting too

765
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 1: much credit. He was thirteen and that he ultimately inherited

766
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: all the best players on the Panthers, which is which

767
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: is accurate. You know they had the core of players

768
00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: there when Gettleman got there, and uh and definitely his

769
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: time with the Giants hasn't helped him. I got some

770
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: more followers, So you're another one John Lynch, who to

771
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: me it would be fair to rank him number thirty

772
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: two right now. Yeah, I don't even think he got

773
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: ranked last year. He will be at the bottom, near

774
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: the bottom of the list. I think a like a

775
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: classic follower on and off the field over the last

776
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: year since you've done this is Cardinals GM Steve Kim. Yeah,

777
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: he's the one that that struck me as what is

778
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: he doing well right now as a big time follower?

779
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: And here's why because when you change coaches and everything

780
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: completely falls apart. To me, that like that's the sign

781
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: of a great GM is one that can win and do.

782
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: I gave Demittrof a lot of credit for having two

783
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: good eras too good with different coaches that I don't

784
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: think of as like the best coach in the league.

785
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: Kim's kind of the opposite. He lost his coach and

786
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: he fell apart. I'm quite surprised still, and good for him.

787
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: He's a man with a family and all that, but

788
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: that he retained his job after the free fall of

789
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: last season and the way Josh Rosen played and internally

790
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: they obviously did not love him on top of the

791
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: d why which is bad. I'll throw it out. I

792
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: gotta do it, love doing it. John l Way was

793
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: he was on my list too. You had him ranked

794
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: seventh last year, Greg, which I would have said was

795
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 1: high last year. This year, I think he should definitely

796
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 1: be in the twenties, perhaps because uh, I don't think

797
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: he's done much of anything positive in recent years. Obviously,

798
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: he drafted Bradley Chub last year, but that was kind

799
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: of a no brainer and they fell to him, So

800
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: I don't give him a lot of credit for that. Uh,

801
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: I was giving him credit for all those twelve win

802
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: seasons in a in a champion. I get that he

803
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: doesn't draft well. He hasn't been able to fix the quarterback,

804
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: he hasn't been able to fix the alternative line. He

805
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: has demonstrated that he can absolutely wu free agents. He

806
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: at the time he had been in charge of, you

807
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: know that, probably the third most successful NFL franchise throughout

808
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: the decade, and so I was giving him some credit

809
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: for them. He was too high. Now he was way

810
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: too well. How might he can't fall too far? I

811
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: think he was second to last and he still might fall.

812
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: So I think you're you're odd this update. I think

813
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: like I don't. I think that Dave Codwall Caldwell, and

814
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: Jacksonville has He's been a part of drafts that brought

815
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: a lot of talent to the Jaguars, So I don't

816
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,959
Speaker 1: think that he's lacks skills. But I am concerned about

817
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: any of these gms that seemed to be in a

818
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: place where they're in a power vacuum, where they've got

819
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: all these people around them that have way more power

820
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: than them. And what is Dave Caldwell's say at this

821
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: point inside the organization, I got one for you guys.

822
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: We did risers, we did followers, and feel free to

823
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: jump in with more followers or even risers. But I

824
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: got the Dalton line. Okay, Dalton scale for new listeners

825
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 1: is uh concept we came up with where Andy Dalton

826
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: Well West completely came up with. It is the prime

827
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: meridian of quarterbacks. He is right in the middle. If

828
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: you if your quarterbacks worse than Andy Dalton, you need

829
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. And if your GM is worse than

830
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: this guy, you need a new GM. If he's better

831
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: than him, you're probably in decent shape with in your

832
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: front office. Jerry Jones m hm. I would actually had

833
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: this one bolded and this is gonna be kind of

834
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: inside football. But I think their VP of Personnel Will McClay.

835
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: It might be their acting general manager. He gets a

836
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: lot of credit from who follow that team as their

837
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: personnel guy, and I think the Cowboys have actually built

838
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: a pretty good roster. I would not put him as

839
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: the Dalton line h Dan, and I don't know who

840
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: would have given credit to. Maybe it's Mr Will, you know,

841
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: not familiar with his work, uh, or it's Stephen Jones

842
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: is certainly very active. I actually think as a player

843
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: procurement and drafts and everything, he's been better than average.

844
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: For sure. They've had some shortcomings with Jerry Jones, Like

845
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: what if Duke Tobin of the Bengals is the Daltons game?

846
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: Are you separating the Jerry Jones that also like annually

847
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: turns the Cowboys into the biggest, biggest marketing sensation in sports. Yes,

848
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: this is okay and so just from them, but I

849
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: think that drafts are really good. But they are. I

850
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: don't think they're Jerry Jones's drafts the way that they

851
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Speaker 1: were in two thousand and five, to West's point, but

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Speaker 1: it's Stephen Jones too, with like they talked about over

853
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Speaker 1: the last half decade that they a lot of that

854
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: has been handed off to others inside the Cowboys. He

855
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Speaker 1: is his title in general marriage. Wait, yes, we've got

856
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Speaker 1: an announcement. Wow, I'm willing to maybe put Mr Will's

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Speaker 1: name on the GM list, maybe a slash with because

858
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Speaker 1: and then and then another another bigger one. I'm seeing

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Speaker 1: Mickey Loomis is here a number eleven last year that

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Speaker 1: he is gonna be He might be totally replaced, but

861
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Speaker 1: he's gonna get a slash Jeff Ireland slash Sean Payton.

862
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Speaker 1: Maybe Loomis is just totally off the list. And that's

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Speaker 1: because at this point I don't know, so I just

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Speaker 1: I wanted to just play just for bookkeeping, um purposes

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Speaker 1: and just as you put together your piece. So it's

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Speaker 1: a bit of a slippery slope, a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a Pandora's box. Once you start like divvying out who's

868
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Speaker 1: making the decisions, you might have to do it for

869
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: almost every team. No, I don't think there's that many.

870
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: You're right, there's a few. But Loomis is a particularly

871
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: as as Mark loves to point out. You know, he's

872
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Speaker 1: usually on some you know sales called for season tickets

873
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Speaker 1: of the New Orleans Pelicans. I don't know how much

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00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: figured how much. We then Jeff Ireland has to be

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00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: a riser because his stock could not have been in

876
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Speaker 1: Jeff Ireland and Sean Payton. You do get that. I

877
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Speaker 1: think talking to people, you do get the sense Sean

878
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: Payton has has more power than most or almost any

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00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: head coach. So I think Ireland and Payton are the

880
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: ones really running that for for the purposes of both

881
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: this conversation and your article when you start saying that

882
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: Jeff Ireland is soaring up the GM power rankings when

883
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: he is not in fact the GM. It's a little

884
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: But what do you do with teams who just use

885
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 1: the position? I go, I'm willing, how about Loomis? There

886
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: is no official GM. I believe Loomis has a better

887
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: title than that. He's like president and Consigliari and you know,

888
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: executive vice president and GM. How about Loomis slash Payton then?

889
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: And Ireland's not even on there. I don't know. You're

890
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 1: gonna have to do this with I think there's like eight.

891
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: Start to make my head, there's like eight teams. You

892
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: have to do this, with the Patriots being one nexcessario,

893
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: but every team there are obviously top of the line

894
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: guys for every organization, but it's a collaborative effort for

895
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: every team. I guess it was the point I was making, right.

896
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 1: That's true because it does open it up because John

897
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: Gruden would have to get on there with the Raiders.

898
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: There's no way that has more power. Jeff Ireland is

899
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: the wind beneath the wings of Mickey Loomis. Jeff, I

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Speaker 1: can you use an article the Wind Beneath the Wings rankings.

901
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: He's had a very Rick Spielman like comeback. So Rick

902
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: Spielman's the GM of the Vikings who left Miami. I

903
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: think he's on his third team. Uh left Miami in

904
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Speaker 1: ridicule in the mid two thousands, I mean, Dolphins fans

905
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: chased them out of town. They they thought he was

906
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Speaker 1: a joke, And he's had a great run in Minnesota.

907
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: Jeff Ireland similarly run out of town in Miami as

908
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 1: a joke and now is doing great with New Orleans.

909
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: So that kind of makes you wonder, what's the real Well,

910
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: it's just it's well, it's a lesson in scapegoating, because

911
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: it's like you're either scapegoating the coach or the GM.

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00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: It has to be. It can't be one of these

913
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Speaker 1: wind Beneath the Wings guys that no one's heard of.

914
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Speaker 1: It's got to be someone who's been lashed in the

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Speaker 1: press for going on months. Spelman has built a good

916
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Speaker 1: roster for the last half decade. That's true for new listeners.

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Speaker 1: Wind Beneath the Wings a very popular U nineteen eighties

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Speaker 1: song sung by Bette Midler made famous in the movie Beaches,

919
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Speaker 1: also starring Barbara Hershey, they upload some information into your

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00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: central processing unit. That was good. There's a lot of info.

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Speaker 1: Mama Mom was a big fan. That was about nine

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Speaker 1: or ten at my mom. I think that soundtrack as

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Speaker 1: I recall, oh yeah, my mom over. Um, all right,

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Speaker 1: mind too, you're very overtime. No, it's just like okay,

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Speaker 1: who I mean, did you just roll your park? Actually

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Speaker 1: Mark is already doing chores in his mind. He all right,

927
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Speaker 1: good do can you find um Ricky to play out

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Speaker 1: today's show? Um, we can't play the actual wind Beneath

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Speaker 1: My Wings song, but a similar equivalent in our library

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Speaker 1: I can try. All right, let's break down the schedule again.

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Speaker 1: Two weeks off from the draft, so next week you'll

932
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Speaker 1: get another show on Monday and Thursday morning, because then

933
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Speaker 1: we are on the road. We're heading south for the

934
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Speaker 1: Chris Westling bachelor Party. I hope to have Connie on

935
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Speaker 1: one of the shows next week, and we will do

936
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Speaker 1: one of our favorite segments. Uh, you're the GM makes

937
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Speaker 1: its return next week, so tune in for that UM

938
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Speaker 1: and Twitter show Wednesday, UM thirty Pacific one thirty Eastern

939
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Speaker 1: maybe five thirty in London. And then next the week

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Speaker 1: After that is Draft weekend. We're back three shows and

941
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Speaker 1: a Twitter show, a lot of content, so good stuff.

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Speaker 1: This is Dan handsOn signing off four Quiet Storm. Listen

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Speaker 1: to that beautiful The mail Man, the old Boss Ricky

944
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Speaker 1: Hollywood behind the glass until Monday m the sum I

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Speaker 1: offer to the w