1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: Celebrity Book Club Saturday. Oh god, is it? Is it 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: ten forty five already? You know I'm gonna call Judy. 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: I need I need to call Judy. We haven't seen 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: each other in weeks. Is Judy there? This is she? 5 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: Hey doll, Oh it's June. Hey Jude. I can't believe. Sorry, 6 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: I'm I'm out of my mind today. I'm just I'm 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: running around. I had a hair appointment, of course, I 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: know you and you and me both. I eat one 9 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: of those days where I just I feel like nine 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: cats in a coffin. I feel like it's Christmas Day 11 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: and I'm Jewish. Okay. I just went to my dear hairdresser, Sylvia. 12 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: She's retiring. Oh no, oh, Judy, I have to go. 13 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: My kids were over the other day and the kids 14 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: came on from Matt has turned into the most one 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: treful he made. And I said, give me the recipe. 16 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: Sout of my bed. He laughed at me, said, mom, 17 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ascension like let me. I mean, it's a 18 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: wonder that I've mastered the device that I'm speaking to 19 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: you on right now. I wouldn't know what to do 20 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: with it, my goodness. Yeah, maybe between between third and yeah, 21 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: on fourth. I love that place. It's called what is 22 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: it called? You know, I think he would really get 23 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: along with Colin. I just one my eyes become so puffy. 24 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: I'm putting on the lamaire. I don't care what they're 25 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: selling over there. It's a mare these days. It's lamaire 26 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: for me. It will bankrupt me. And I told her 27 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: talk of rule of thirds. The man's going to find 28 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: someone thirty years young, young eat in two weeks because 29 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: men can't be you know. I just and I apologize. 30 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: I just have this thing right now where my left ear. 31 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: It feels like it has water in it. Oh my goodness. 32 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: You know Judy, Um, let's get together next week. Yes, 33 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: send me a schedule, Yes, send him if you can 34 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: figure out how to do it. Send me your somethings around. 35 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: We gotta make this happen. I love you. I love you, Doll. 36 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: I miss you. Okay, kisses, Okay, we'll talk soon. Okay, Sirie, 37 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: Hang up, Siri? Who's that knocking at the door. It's 38 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: all your friends, you filthy horse. Your husband's gone and 39 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: we've got books and a bottle of wine to kill. 40 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: It's books. It's gossip. I'm shook. It's memoir. It's Martini Club. 41 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: Come read it while it's hot. Cleby Book Club, tell 42 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: your secrets. We won't talk Cley books. No boys are allowed. 43 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: Celeb books say loud and pow buzz man. I brought 44 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: the queer fow best friend. How the hell are you? 45 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: I'm feeling I don't know completely, psychic spirit is fully 46 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: in my body. Yeah, I feel like we should tell 47 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: our listeners, the club kids, what just happened. What just 48 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: happened backstage was that I lead to guess what my 49 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: dinner plans were for tomorrow night, and I talked about 50 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: two guesses. You said, wait, what was your first guess? 51 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: First guess? Well, I was like, yeah, you really inter out. 52 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: I said, I'm going out. And then you're like, oh, 53 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: there's some pop up at Rollos. I was like, no, 54 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: but it is kind of a special menu. And then 55 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: literally the next thing I took, but I took a second, 56 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: I thought of it, and I said Japanese with Italian influences. 57 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: Next thing I said, and then the whisper rumor studio, 58 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: it just filled with like ghosts. Yeah, and I was 59 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: absolutely correct. I started shaking, and mind you, I haven't 60 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: even like seen any little Instagram posts about some Japanese 61 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: chef doing something Italian. I did you surmise from the 62 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: twinkle in my eye alone, Yeah, that there must be 63 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: a quisine crossover and that there was some sort of 64 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: excitement around or no macasse that could only be augmented 65 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: by ata by a time foot. And I will say, 66 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: the reason though, that this even idea is in my 67 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: mind is because former guests of the pod Physical Therapy 68 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: actually didn't even tell me about this, but told my 69 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: girlfriend of the pod about Patti Smith's favorite restaurant, Serrancisco 70 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: on a bridge that has Japanese pasta. So that was 71 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: kind of just but that was a good week ago, 72 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: so I was just kind of I think that was settling. Okay, 73 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: But that's just like you know, energy, it can neither 74 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: be created and destroyed, It's only transferred, So like energy 75 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: is between us, and there obviously is some sort of 76 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: energy happening between us, achie, if you will. Anyway, I'm 77 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: going to a nine course Japanese and Italian tasting menu. 78 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: It's for my brother's birthday. My mother is graciously paying. 79 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: Maya also to me was like, wow, Steven's going away 80 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: on it like brother's birthday when your brother posted his 81 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: like beer flyer, Yeah, did you to put you on 82 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: blast birthday? I did not attend. Sorry, Eric, you did 83 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: allegedly a bad bugs, so I guess I thought we 84 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: were not going to bring them that up on the bot. No, 85 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: this is the red table because it's like, now like 86 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: you're actually talking about my family and like my privacy. Anyway, 87 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: I don't have bud bugs. But there was a scare. 88 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: What's also so funny is I was like, oh, I 89 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: literally said Tom. I was like, oh, I feel like 90 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,559 Speaker 1: Eric is just doing something small. And I'm sure Steven 91 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,679 Speaker 1: Eric aren't going to go to a really expensive dinner 92 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: themselves paid by their mom as you were right, And 93 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: I cleo over here, not only to do you know 94 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: we were going to expensive dinner. You knew it was Chapaalian. 95 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: And I came to you. I actually came to literally 96 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: defend your and then you come and you talk about 97 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: my home. Well, no, here's what I'll say. It's like, 98 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: if you're ashamed of bad bugs, that's on you, because 99 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of. Well, 100 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: and that's why I shared it with you. And our 101 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: other dear friend, because I was like, I'm not going 102 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: to live in this like privacy. I'm gonna tell you 103 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: what's going on in my life and that yes, I 104 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: have three mysterious bites on my neck that are now 105 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: I don't see anything on your beautiful neck. Speaking of necks, 106 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: and other thing's wrong with my life. Speaking of Next 107 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: we read listen to book written by one of the 108 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: most like influential writers of our time of the world. 109 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: Like it's literally like Shakespeare and her one of the 110 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: sort of goaded neurotic white women I think of all history. 111 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: We're of course talking about Nora Afron and her book. 112 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: I feel bad about my neck. So this book came 113 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: out two thousand and six. Nor Afron for those of 114 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: you who don't know because you live under a boldaria. Yeah, 115 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: she wrote this movie called When Harry Met Sally. She 116 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: wrote a little movie called Sleepless in Seattle. She wrote 117 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: my favorite movie, My Blue Heaven, which is a spoof 118 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: on mob movies, Oh, of course, which I wanted to 119 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: tell you to watch, but I felt like it wasn't nice. 120 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: She wrote the movie that's sort of like invented the 121 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: modern era, which is you've got male Yeah, all chuck it. 122 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: Battle of the Sexes. Okay, no one does it better 123 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: than her. She wrote another underrated, goated film called Hanging Up. 124 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: That's Lisa Gudreau and Meg Ryan or their sisters, their 125 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: three sisters, and the whole thing is them on like 126 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: big cell phones and like portable phones being like I'm 127 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: hanging up. I gotta go because it's like their dad 128 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: is horny and sick and they have to take care 129 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: of him, played by Walter Matho. Ultimately, half a whole 130 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: movie is her about, like sisters fighting when their data s. Yeah. 131 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: So she's you know, she's the neurotic what a yell 132 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: in type it. She's the carry Bradshaw and she's like 133 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: somewhere deliciously in between. But she's like she, you know, 134 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: Tina Fey, like so many people like have come in 135 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: her like the modern rom com era ham out of 136 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: her um. But people think of rom coms is dumb 137 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: because they're dumb, and the reality is morom coms are 138 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: a smart and brilliant be She's such a keen observer 139 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: of the human condition. Well end just so when people live, yes, 140 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: I mean, and what a lot of people don't know. 141 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: We found out during this book. I mean she interned 142 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: for J K. John F. Kennedy. You know, she started 143 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: out just in you know, she wanted to be and 144 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 1: she wasn't. And you know what's funny is why it's 145 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: so funny to say the Carrey Bradshaw because I recently 146 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: realized she was the Carrie Bradshaw of the seventies and 147 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: eighties because I was cleaning for my queer elder, Eileen Miles, 148 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: and Eileen Miles was telling me that like when they 149 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: first moved to New York, like they so wanted to 150 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: be in like nor Efrons like scene and Nora Ephron 151 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: was like this school New York magazine writer and um, 152 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: you know. And I was like, oh, I feel like 153 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 1: I like didn't like maybe was at some of those parties, 154 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: but just like couldn't. And I was like, oh, why 155 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: was nor Efron's vibe? And she was like, I was like, 156 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: was she like sex basically Carrie? And I was like yeah, 157 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: Like nor From was being like a little bit guy's girl, 158 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: like writing for Esquire at you know, she's been married, 159 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: her marriages iconic first is this guy? I don't know. 160 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: They got divorced after the Siskers. Then she married, literally 161 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: like Carl Bernstein divorced Watergate heard of it, divorced because 162 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 1: he started sleeping with the wife of the British ambassador 163 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: because this is a dog. And then then she made 164 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: a movie about it, Heartburn. Yeah. And then literally the 165 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: British ambassador called her to like discuss and being like, oh, 166 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: like all spouses are like sleeping with each other, and 167 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: she was like the British ambassador is calling me yeah. Um. 168 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: And then third she married and this is why my 169 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: favorite movie this came out of this marriage. Um My Heaven. 170 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: Nicholas Peleggie who wrote Good Fellas, and so when he 171 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: was writing Good Fellas, this is so fabbs because people 172 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: talk about good Fellows. It's an amazing movie. So iconic 173 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: movie or to drama blah blah blah, Mafia blah blah blah. 174 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: She wrote a hilarious movie called My Blue Heaven that's 175 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: a spoof about Steve martin By and the Mafia and 176 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: going into the Witness Protection program where Joan Cuzac is 177 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: like this policewoman that's like always arresting him and I 178 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: feel like and with Rick morandi'sness, like actually like kind 179 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: of like more smart, hilarious, right, yeah, which is just 180 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: like a little basic. It's a little bit. I love 181 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: Good Fellows obviously my entire like style of life's they 182 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: based on him, but like My Blue Heaven almost more. 183 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: It's like, you can write a drama but with a calm, 184 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: then you have to add comedy to it. I say 185 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: this all the time. Comedy is so much more difficult, 186 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: I think, in terms of writing and acting than drama 187 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: because with drama there's a much broader range of choices. 188 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: You can make a spath a writer and actor that 189 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: will work. But with comedy it's quite a bit you 190 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: almost and then add comedy. Yeah, it's it's quite it's 191 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: the range of choices that will actually be funny, I 192 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: think is an hour range that you have to work with. 193 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: And now it's like if it doesn't work that it 194 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: literally is in comedy, whereas with drama you can kind 195 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: of say anything and like if it's a good enough 196 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: actor and the you know, the cinematographer is good enough 197 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: and can kind of pull it off, woman crying, blah 198 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: blah blah. So this book, though, it's, as you said, 199 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: written in two thousand and six, you know it's touches 200 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: on these marriages, and they think, but it's really a 201 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: little more of a just a woman's journey. Like, yeah, 202 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: she's talking about her marriages, but it's framed through talking 203 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: about neck wrinkles and moisturizer and a rugula. And it's 204 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: definitely like a beautiful, like very humorous kind of sideris 205 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: asks like meditation on what it means to be an 206 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: Asian woman in society. But then she also like gives 207 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: you a little bit of memoir throughout, and she's always 208 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: like referencing her experiences and her loves and her divorces 209 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: and lessons that she's learned. And it's absolutely a cultural 210 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: window into like what it means to be like a 211 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: urban New York City writer of Jewish experience, of experience. 212 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: I has a certain amount of money the book. This 213 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: is what's so funny. This is hilarious, this is hysterical. 214 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: I never realized until we read this book that I'd 215 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: heard of it. Of course, it's seen it on my 216 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: mother's shelf. I thought, I feel bad about my neck. 217 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: Was about like your neck hurting, and like because moms 218 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: are always so next surgery and shoulder is actually the 219 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: one who's the most Moms are always getting next surgery, okay, 220 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: but lay back surgery, shoulders surgery. And I thought it 221 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: was very like, oh, this is just mom being like, oh, sweetie, 222 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: my neck hurts. And it was kind of like the 223 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: guilt over the fact that your neck is always pretty, sweetie. 224 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: I can't go to teach, can't go to the play 225 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: or whatever because her neck curtins. Right, But actually this 226 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: is more about like taking but it's actually about wrinkles. 227 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: It's about appearances. In Vanity, you had a little bit 228 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: of like more of kind of this like darker Americana 229 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: pet killer m No. I mean, so you know, she 230 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: starts out reflecting on the wrinkles, and I think this 231 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: book is really also about It's very the John Waters phrase, 232 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: always appreciate how you look now because ten years you're 233 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: like that. Ever again, okay, you're gonna be like, why 234 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: did I think I was fat? I look so young? Yeah. 235 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: And so the big like device of the book is 236 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: of course the neck, the neck being like the part 237 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: that absolutely she's like the face lies, but the neck 238 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: tells the truth. Like the neck SAgs and gets wrinkly 239 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: in a way that is so possible to hide unless 240 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: you fully get a full facelift. Now you're One of 241 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: your great physical impressions that you always did for me 242 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: was you quoted your mother's friend beep Ian never docks. 243 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: Her Her name goes, Okay, everyone say what kind of 244 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: plastic surgery they would want. She was like my mother's 245 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: most fabulous round. And then I was like seven at 246 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: the time, and she was like, I would want this, 247 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: and she just pulls back the neck basically gives herself 248 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: like that little lower, that lower facelift. And so I've 249 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: kind of always also wanted that, And yeah, you've always 250 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: want that, and I think we're at a great time 251 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: where we still can't like I'm trying to do that 252 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: impression and not much as happening. But there's also something 253 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: about definitely a Northeastern woman's neck that gets just the 254 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: waspy neck gets so creepy and dry and obviously and 255 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: obviously if there is you know, a little more like 256 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: hanness to it, kind of that irish Yeah, it gets 257 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: a little thinner. So do you moisturize your neck? I don't, 258 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: and I should and I'm always forgetting, and I'm in 259 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: ten years now, I'm gonna look back and say, God, damnits. Anyway, 260 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: I don't moisturize my neck because I think I have 261 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: I've actually have a ZiT on my neck right now, 262 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: even though I've started moisturizes. Because what happened. You know 263 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: what's happened. It creates oil. Yeah, well no, I think 264 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: it's because I pet in my little chinny chins. You 265 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: do pet your that's like stop. And I'm also like, 266 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: I'm so disgusting. I'm washing my hands once a day. 267 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: I'm touching like I'm baking, I'm touching the New York 268 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: City subway. I'm cooking falafel like I'm I'm thrifting like 269 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: and then I'm like, let me pet my neck, let 270 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: me pet my cat, and then put my neck. Yeah, 271 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: you're in your creepy gingerbread house, like you're you've got 272 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: your cauldre and you're waiting to put the kids in. Um, 273 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: you're a monster. Yeah, So anyway, yeah, I will start moisturizing, 274 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: I think though, Like you know, I was so I 275 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: related to that so much because I always do do 276 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: this in the mirror. She was like, you know, you 277 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: look in the mirror and you pull your neck back 278 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: and you look at yourself. And we as women, we 279 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: do this all the time. You know, we're always just like, 280 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: how do I look? And you you know that vanity 281 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: it becomes it's so inescapable. I don't care who you are. 282 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: I don't care how enlightened you are. You look in 283 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: the mirror and you're ying. Critique, you critique. I mean thing, 284 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: I wish I looked like this. I can't believe it 285 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: used to look like this. Why they look like this. 286 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: I always grab, you know, the love handles, and then 287 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: I my hips and I push them back. Oh that's 288 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: my next that's what you do. Yeah, I push them back, 289 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: and I say, this is possible when dressing room, I haven't. 290 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: I haven't been in nattion, I mean years, okay, Um, 291 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: I push them back. Okay. So then we kind of 292 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: get into a little bit of the history of for life. 293 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: And this really almost like gave me chills, because it's 294 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: like seeing your parents really come to fruition. She talks 295 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: about after her second divorce, when the Julia Child cookbook 296 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 1: came out. Yeah, and that changed the game, she says, 297 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: quote when that haven't every Also the pill came out, 298 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: everyone started having sex and everyone started cooking. Julia child 299 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: and birth control were invented at the same time. Everyone's 300 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: having sex and then cooking afterwards. And of course the 301 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: infamous scene in Heartburn where Meryl Strip cooks the Jack 302 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: Nicholson and you know, it's like at that time people 303 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: were not It's like I think, like women cooking pasta 304 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: casually was like this whole new like sexy revolution. Right. Literally, 305 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: Alison Roman like made merch of that scene because before 306 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: I think it was like spaghetti meatballs. That's like for 307 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: Italian food, but for like a New York California woman 308 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: to say that a goud i, I'm gonna make you 309 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: a pantry pasta like that shocking, shocking, shocking. Well, of course, 310 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: you know this was the generation. This is very our 311 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: parents generation. But like my mom always saying, like my honey, 312 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: my mother cooked being right and spam and being casseroles 313 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: out of a can. Like I didn't know what a 314 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: fresh vegetable was until I was twenty four, Right, It's 315 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: like basically like all the boomers grew up on like 316 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: canned vegetables and then the gourmet cookbook and so it 317 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: was like, yes, they were all like were Second Way 318 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: book The Gourmet Cookbook was so instrumental. Oh, her mentioning 319 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: her family chef Evelyn, I was like, so yall really rich, 320 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: she's very just like I and Evelyn would cook. And 321 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: then my mom bought the Gourmet Cookbook and started to experiment, 322 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: and you know, I was saying about, you know, meals 323 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: my mother would say, you know, her and my father 324 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: would you know, make or make for the friends. It's 325 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: like they would spend three days making the pay duck, 326 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: you know, and it's all very Craig Killiborn. Like they 327 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: would make like these like small little revulous stuffed these 328 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: zeo seven course Chinese meals. She's the quote she says, 329 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: we began to cook neurotically and competitively. I took a 330 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: course on how to use a quiz and art food 331 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: processor that I want to go to a clap on 332 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: how to use a quizzin art. But she's doing this 333 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: thing and it really you know, it made me think 334 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: of my parents as well. My parents had a group 335 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: called Gourmet Club where them and two other couples, one 336 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: of them had Sue was Sue of Gourmet Club. They 337 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: would cook these elaborate meals for each other and it 338 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: was absolutely competition. They also had their wine tasting group, 339 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: which just you know, it still meets, but which is 340 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: maybe less elaborate. But again, if the Gourdmet Club seemed 341 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,959 Speaker 1: definitely seemed like more of a competition in the way 342 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: of just like you know, really like who can go 343 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: more all out make them more like, it wasn't about 344 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: necessarily like oh, definitely everything like come over, I'm making 345 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: like I think now we're in a lit a bit 346 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: more of an age of like I'm making like all 347 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: the braise and like obviously yes we are trying to 348 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: press and I actually have a note here. I do 349 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: think we actually are in the competitive stage cooking out 350 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: like where she says, I actually may pull out this, 351 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: but the the esthetic has shifted. Yes, um, and so 352 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: like uh, where we're we're being more and you know, 353 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: Alice Roman is the queen of this of this idea, 354 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: which is like not trying too hard and have it 355 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: be family style and have the recipes be more accessible 356 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: and not like being so um you know, like like 357 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: French technique and like so these like complex things with 358 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: so many multiple dishes to prepare multiple parts to it. 359 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: So she becomes best friends with this gay guy named 360 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: Lee Bailey and and she becomes absolutely obsessed. And I 361 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: think he's kind of the protols and Roman, I'll say 362 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: yes because he's being so This is after one of 363 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: her divorces. I became Lee's love's life, culinarily speaking, long 364 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: before he began to write the series of cookbooks that 365 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: made him well known. He'd replaced all my previous imaginary 366 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: friends in the kitchen. Whenever I cooked dinner and anything 367 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: threatened to go wrong, I could hear him telling me 368 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: to calm down, it didn't matter. Poor another drink, no 369 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: one will care, which I feel like it is such 370 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: a right a Roman. I stopped serving orders, just like Lee, 371 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: and as a result, my guests were chewing the wood 372 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: off the walls before dinner, just like wildly neurotic and 373 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: competitive way. We were looking for applause. We were constant performing. 374 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: We were desperate to be all things to all people. 375 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: Was this the grand climax the post World War two 376 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: domestic counter revolution? At the beginning of a pathological strain 377 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 1: of femorist overreaching. No one knew. We were too busy 378 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: slicing and dicing. And then basically, he cooks this dinner 379 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: that's just like a roasted pork, corn bread, beans and 380 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: rab apples, the mysterious fourth thing, and the fourth thing 381 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: is just like what balances out the meal and like 382 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 1: it keep people coming back for more. It creates this 383 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: element of bounty. There's a surprise, right, and a bounty 384 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: and surprise like the two of the greatest feelings in 385 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: the world. And so when you see this all there 386 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: and it seems like it's all being sort of family style, 387 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: it's not being so like basically also, he's right, he's 388 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: making this dish that's instead of being like I'm gonna 389 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: cook the national dish of Brazil, where I need to 390 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: buy like thirty ingredients I don't have, and like this 391 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: and that to like impress people to be like what 392 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: even on earth is this? Like being like, let me 393 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: do something that's a little bit more manageable and like delicious. 394 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: And as you said, I think today, you know, even 395 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: post her Lee Bailey kind of epiphany, she is still 396 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: being neurotic and competitive. So are we. When I have 397 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: the dinner party, I still want people to be impressed. 398 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: I want them to be a dog, you know, at 399 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: the decor, at the friendliness, at the generosity of the 400 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: cuteness of it all well, especially because but altotime at 401 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: the level of cooking where I think sometimes where she says, like, 402 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, I was wrapping things in Philo, I'm stuffing 403 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: grape leaves, and yeah I do. It's very like, yeah, 404 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: what are you doing right, which, but I do think 405 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: your thirties kind of is your time to be like 406 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: I need to stuff things in grape leaves. I remember 407 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: my parents, like my mom like Formica being like we're 408 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: doing like the banana leaf rice and she's like screaming 409 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: at my dad just being like du that I set 410 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: the wide brim banana leaves and it's all you know, 411 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: I mean the amount of times I can remember my 412 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: mom screaming and my dad about a specific type of mushroom. Oh, 413 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: I feel like I've been there for like Doug lions Head, 414 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: lions Head. This episode is sponsored by Zok Doc. 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Many are available within 443 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: twenty four hours. That's z O c d oc dot com, 444 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: slash book Club, zok dot dot com slash book Club. 445 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: Ditch the talk. One. She says, around dinner table is 446 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: a secret to a good dinner party. I'd kind of 447 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: desperately want to get around dinner table now because it's 448 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: because it's nothing that connotes community conversation. I dare you 449 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: to get a round dinner table. But then I'm like, 450 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: I'm getting rid of my table. There's just like a 451 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: bitch to get in there and assemble. I mean, it's also, 452 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: like I guess, because it's a rectangle like, but it's 453 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: still small enough that usually it's just two and two. 454 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: I think you're fine with my I've just been kind 455 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: of dreaming of a circular how it would change my life. Well, 456 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: now here you are saying I'm dreaming of something it's 457 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: going to change my life, And then now I'll hear 458 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: is fear about doors. Right, No, it's just like, why 459 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: am I letting a door block maybe instead of painting 460 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: your living room terra cotta or whatever that idea was 461 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 1: you at the other week. I do still want to 462 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: do what I'm calling the blue room. Okay, blue room 463 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: round table. I'm writing this down. We're going to circle 464 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: back to it in a few weeks. Okay, okay. Another 465 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: thing she says is, um, don't serve fish. Fish is 466 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: too easy to eat. People eat it and they're done. 467 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's why I love though, because it's like 468 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: you don't have someone to just be like, oh, three 469 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: bites and it's over. Yes, And she was like, she 470 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: was like, there's nothing worse. It's ten pm and all 471 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: your guests have gone and you're sitting alone with dirty dishes. 472 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: That was I was chills, just like, yeah, they're done, 473 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: they've left, and you're just polishing. If a dinner party 474 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: isn't lasting till eleven thirty, like someone's opening another bottle 475 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: of wine and that the conversation can be yeah, you know, 476 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: nobody wants this wham bam, thank you ma'am dinner party. 477 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: Everyone's like, oh, we have to get to bed and 478 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: you're like, oh great, like weekday salmon. Yeah, mortifying, mortifying, 479 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: but I think seafood pasta. Yeah, a seafood pasta gives you. Well. 480 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: She goes, people like to play with their food, and yeah, 481 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: but I think this like right, this one small filet 482 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: that's like and you're just like small bite, dover sol yeah, 483 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: dover sol um with a miso, like a very quick 484 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: quick um. Some of her other rules, oh wait, this 485 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: is not a dinner party rule. But this is also 486 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: like the moment your child leaves change their room. Oh, 487 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: she was like, it is not a shrine and obviously, 488 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: like the poster, I mean, I don't have a room anymore. 489 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: So I can't move home because she says, if you 490 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: leave it as a shrine to them, it will leave 491 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: them this open door to not go, like grow up. 492 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: They won't Yeah, they won't grow up. I mean her 493 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: whole thing all adolescence is so funny, just being like 494 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: adolescence is like She's like, actually, like, first you realize 495 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: the adolescence is like time for like your kids to 496 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: separate from you and to find their own personality, and 497 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: then you realize, no, the reason that they're so obnoxious 498 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: is because it lets you separate from them, and then 499 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: you're finally able to cut the cord because you're like weights. 500 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: And then she's like, and get a dog because you 501 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: need something that's happy to see you. Oh yeah, it's 502 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: so so just. Everything is such a nor Alfron movie 503 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: where she's like a harried middle aged mom carrying a 504 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: paper bag of groceries and holding them with two hands, 505 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: with like a bad gat celery pasta and being like, kids, 506 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make your favorite and they're running out the 507 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: door backpacks, being like grabbing like a snicker has being like, sorry, Mom, 508 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to Tracy's like I have basketball practice, and 509 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: then she just looks out the dog that's like, I 510 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: guess it's just you and me tonight. Oh and Grey's 511 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: anatomy like side poor big glass of red wine in 512 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: her beautiful ten bedroom doorman apartment on the Upper west Side. 513 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: Let's get to the Amthorpe, the al Thorpe of the Althorpe, 514 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: when she never thought she could fall in love with 515 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: a building, but she did, so maybe half this book 516 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: is about the Althorp, this building she lives in the 517 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: Upper west Side. It is she never thought she'd live 518 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: in the not cool Upper west Side, she says, well, 519 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: but then she has this fun part where she's like, 520 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: but it I felt like it was brainy because it 521 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: wasn't trying to be so hip, which made me feel 522 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,959 Speaker 1: like more of our egghead professor. I think she realized 523 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: that because I think in you know, in her Esquire 524 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: New York Magazine days, she was like midtown Upper East 525 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: and that's when things were being a little more like 526 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: cigarettes and like Upper East Side was cooler. But then 527 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: eighties and nineties, actually feel it becomes so woody all 528 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: on an Upper west Side and rom com and she's like, oh, 529 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: I'm such an intellectual. And she's like, it's this thing 530 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: when people talk about expensive neighborhoods and they're being so 531 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: like shocked their stuff. She's like, it's crazy. She goes, 532 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: it had everything I wanted. It was like I could 533 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: get a newspaper at all hours of the day, oh yeah, 534 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: and all night and twenty four hour newstand, which I 535 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: need to Like, that's a new want for me. I 536 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: need a twenty four hour newstand. I would like to 537 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: be able to go to get the morning editions, and 538 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: I now have to trek across Siberia for it. Excuse me, 539 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, obviously, Like I feel like by both 540 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: of our neighbors, it's like possible to get the New 541 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: York Times. No, I know, it's like you go to 542 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: the Delhi that's four blucks awayne It's very like is 543 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: this from today? Yeah, you're there, and they're like, I 544 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: think we have it. Okay, So she wants an all 545 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: twenty fiur news stand. Um a Korean grosser, which is 546 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: so sex in the city going to the kuran um 547 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: a Zabars is a few blocks away. It's like she's like, 548 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: it's crazy. The story is, hey, bars, there's only a 549 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: few blocks away. So this building is absolutely massive. It's 550 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: an old pre war It's got this big, huge courtyard 551 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: in the middle. It's very that show um Murders in 552 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: the Building now one who loos starring Steve Martin Martin 553 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: Shore and s I hear really good things. Um. I 554 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: feel like I'm always feeling like parents being just like, 555 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: you know, we've been watching Murders in the Building, yes, 556 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: most and and we like it. I liked him. No 557 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: one is that effusive about it. No one, I think 558 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: is obsessed. So this building is you know, classic, just 559 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: like very kind of fancy, old school, like the crown molding, 560 00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: like parquet floor. It's like these like five bedroom apartments. 561 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: She starts renting this five bedroom apartment for four thousand 562 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: a month or three thousand a month, even in nineteen 563 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: eighty two. It's correctly. She does this whole thing when 564 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: they so they wanted like a down payment of or 565 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: like a broker's phebus. I'll leave twenty four thousand dollars, 566 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: which she called key money. Yeah. So they wanted key money, 567 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: twenty four K and key money. So she said she 568 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: didn't have twenty four k. And I was like trying 569 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: to figure out what year this was, and I was like, 570 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: it was like late seventies eighties, right, okay, because those 571 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I think she means like liquid. You know, 572 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: I don't have that right now. I'd have to sell 573 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: some stocks or like you know, oh, I'd have to 574 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: talk to Todd. Yeah, and you'd have to talk to 575 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: it to Todd. And we're going to figure some few. 576 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: Can't just put it on your card. It's not like 577 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: certainly have the money, yes, um, okay, I want Okay. 578 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: So then at some point she goes this whole thing 579 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: about the okay, a the building Rose o'donna lived there. 580 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: She describes roseo O'Donnell as painting her apartment orange and 581 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: installing shelves for her collection of Happy Meal toys. No, 582 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: it's psycho lesbian horder. The orange is just so so 583 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: playtime lesbian clown. Lesbian clown, I mean me. But also 584 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: she's only being hamburglar. And that's where I'm not different 585 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: doll lesbian, because I'm not just like, no, you're not 586 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: being well, that's I mean, there's something so the repression 587 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: around the childhood, the childhood toy thing. I mean, it's 588 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: just a little too obvious. It's like, Okay, you're just 589 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: trying to recreate childhood and you like you desperately want 590 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: this like innocence, this innocence that you can never get back. 591 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: There isn't innocence of McDonald's. But I will say the 592 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: difference of what makes it a little bit like more 593 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: alternative and why it's being more lesbian is because it's 594 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: still hamburglar. So it's like adding the sense of danger 595 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: that's still like very candid, you know what I mean, 596 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: Like it's still being like I'm a little badass, Like so, 597 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: I mean, how many lesbians right now, do you you think 598 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: you're engaged in Hamburg GluR play? Where where the where? 599 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,959 Speaker 1: The butch is putting on a little like Bendito, like 600 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: I'm ath okay, but she does this insane math of 601 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: how she going to afford this apartment that's so fabulous. 602 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: So she's like, well, I'm gonna I'm inna love this place, 603 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna live there for the rest of my life. 604 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 1: So like twenty four thousand divided by like fifty years 605 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: is actually only like three hundred more a month, or 606 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: it's five cappuccinos a day and I don't even drink cappuccinos. Yeah, 607 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: it's it's just about dividing something by how much time 608 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna be using it, which actually do find help. 609 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: But when I think about my Marjealous sweato, which did 610 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,919 Speaker 1: cost me one hundred dollars like a few years ago. 611 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: I wear that sweater so often, and I'm like, the 612 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: where per use on that like that? I'm sure it's 613 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: like down to four bucks. And there's stuff that I 614 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: paid one hundred bucks for that I probably only more 615 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: and twice, So what's the better deal? I had to 616 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: pay key money for my sunken, and I was, so, 617 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: I roll partment that you currently live in the living room, right, 618 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: but I feel like it's back in Spain. I mean 619 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: just at the very least, all the events you find 620 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: and then party, the cultural and social cachet that you've gained, 621 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: and then I'm sorry all the liquor the people are 622 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: bringing over. Oh hello, no, I still have a bottle 623 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: of miscall I haven't even opened and someone brought from 624 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: my holiday party. So she rents it for three thousand 625 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: a month. Then they raise it to like ten k, 626 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: and she's like, I kiss can't do this anymore. So 627 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: I can't pay ten k and rent that's insane, so 628 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy. Um, how much do you think a 629 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: five bedroom at the Outhwarp is going for today? Today? 630 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 1: I think it's going for twelve point four million. You 631 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: are absolutely correct there, It isn't that range. There is 632 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: a five bed, six and a half bat that's five 633 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,240 Speaker 1: thousand square feet going for eleven nine nine five right now. Okay, 634 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: there's also a twenty nine hundred square feet that's only 635 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: going for five to three huh um, And then what's 636 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,879 Speaker 1: your idea about rent? Oh? For so it is because 637 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: there are. They're also doing rentals over there. Didn't she 638 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 1: say in the book it was going for like forty 639 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: thousand or people were paying forty thousand to get an 640 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: apartment and money than key money. I think now for 641 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: rent it's going for now. I think actually it is 642 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: going for like seventeen K a month. It's yea, yeah, 643 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: it's twenty five k. Wow. So Psycho, imagine renting apartment 644 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: for twenty five thousand dollars a month. Well, that's what 645 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: it's insanes what she says. If you're renting for twenty 646 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars in among the why aren't she buying? 647 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: Because I mean, I get if it's like you're justin 648 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,879 Speaker 1: Bieber and so you're just like, wow, yeah, I want 649 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: this for six I want this for six months. But 650 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 1: then you're not at the Althorpe. You're not in one 651 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty third Okay. I was looking at the 652 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: list of famous people who've lived there. Jennifer Hudson, Oh, 653 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: I saw that Conan no Bran yeah with someone else, 654 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: really funny, I wonder, and it's like, how long was 655 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: Jay hud in there that? I feel like absolutely a 656 00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: year and a half like that feels like maybe she 657 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: was like doing a Broadway show or something, yes, and 658 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: wanted to be just like just like easy, straight shot down. Yeah, 659 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: well so just to a tag on the Rosy o'donald thing, 660 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: which is also so lesbian, like Rosie Leaves, because like, 661 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: there's so many issues in Rosie's apartment. I think she 662 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: has like her washing machine is hooked up to her bathroom. 663 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: That was so disgusting and I was like gross, gross, 664 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: queer people actually need to all go to jail. I 665 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: was like, queer so discussing, I'm sure it's so fucking clutter. 666 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 1: There's couches everywhere, and she's got the washing machine connected 667 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: to the sink. You well, I don't think it was 668 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 1: like a tube to the stink, but it was like 669 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: running on the same pipe. Oh. I thought I was 670 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: one of those like so Bush Swing where you have 671 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,800 Speaker 1: the like countertop dishwashing. Well just remember when our friend 672 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: wanted me to get a washing machine that connected to 673 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: my bathtub and I was like, no, I'm not gonna 674 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: have a huge washing machine that I for like one 675 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: ninety off market like Facebook marketplace, so I can wash 676 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: like two shirts at a time and then still have 677 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 1: to hang dry, not okay, not okay, at absolute mess. 678 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: She is a mess. Okay, Bill Clinton, Um, she hates 679 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,320 Speaker 1: him because to gay people. Wait, that was the most 680 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: insane MSNBC mom thing ever, because it's just like all 681 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: MSNBC moms like, I still love Bill, but she was 682 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 1: just like the donuts don't tell was not okay. Now. 683 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: I was surprised by because I feel like most MSNBC 684 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: moms like that doesn't actually even really bother them that much. 685 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: They don't remember. They're like, it was the nineties, I 686 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: was raising kids, I had a job husband. I feel 687 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: like she probably had some conversation with Bailey Bailey or 688 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: a gay friend at a dinner party in nineteen ninety 689 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 1: three and it really made an impact on her, and 690 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: she was like she so moved. Wow. And I guess 691 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: Bill reached out to her and she was like not 692 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: all hypocrite. Wow, why don't you tell that war to stop? Yeah? 693 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: How about that? No more oil for war? It's like, 694 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,799 Speaker 1: how yeah, okay, all the way off? Oh wait? Can 695 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: we quickly discuss some of her beauty yes regiment where okay, 696 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,879 Speaker 1: just some really good quotes where she says, I'm never 697 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 1: going back to Africa. The last time I was there 698 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy two, there were no hairdressers in the bush. 699 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: Never again insane when she goes, I envy all Asian women. 700 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen an Asian woman with bad hair? 701 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: No you haven't. She's just been like, oh my dried 702 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: juous hair, like not be like more insane, like miss 703 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: guided and miss NBC mom who's like added dinner. Just 704 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: being like so proud to say that she's anti Bill 705 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: Clinton because and then just going up to a renomation 706 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: woman going I love you, I love your life. I 707 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: want hair. Yeah, I would kill for it. I mean 708 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: that is me whenever I see any man that has 709 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,879 Speaker 1: like the slightly long hair, I'm just like I'd kill 710 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,280 Speaker 1: I'd kill kill, and in my next life I will Um. 711 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: She's just to always back up your files after she 712 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 1: calls herself a mouse potato, which is someone who spends 713 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,399 Speaker 1: a lot of time on the computer. Oh, I did 714 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,799 Speaker 1: love that. I was like mouse potato president accounting for 715 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 1: I did. Okay. Another one of her good things that 716 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,360 Speaker 1: she does mention is like the cultural shift in parenting. 717 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: I thought that was a very accurate diagnosis. It's the 718 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 1: classic like we were raised. They said, you know, go 719 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: out and do whatever, and we were fine. And then 720 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: the classic helicopter books about parenting came in. She does 721 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,919 Speaker 1: all of them, and she's like, I don't know team, 722 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,279 Speaker 1: and it doesn't make a difference, like routine, still hate you, 723 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: and I just I remember, yeah, I remember seeing all 724 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 1: those books piled high, and my mom's like, chais in 725 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 1: her bedroom and just being like, bitch, this isn't gonna 726 00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 1: do anything. I'm still gonna hate you. Be like that. 727 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,760 Speaker 1: What was the iconic book? Oh, my team is driving 728 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: me crazy? Backtop what it is and how to stop it? Okay, Wait, 729 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: So then her JFK stories, she's interneting for JFK and 730 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 1: like this other girl comes forward to reveal she had 731 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,919 Speaker 1: an affair, and part is so iconic. She's just like, well, 732 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: he never took an interest in me. He saw I 733 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: saw him once. He was leaving the White House to 734 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 1: get on Air Force one or like the helicopter, and 735 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 1: like the helicopter was so loud, and she goes and 736 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: I think he said something like how is it going? 737 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: And then I just said what and then he just 738 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: walked away. And it's so iconic rom com like she's 739 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,479 Speaker 1: being so the Bridge Jones. But she also was like, well, 740 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: maybe JFK didn't hook up with me because I'm Jewish, 741 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:52,240 Speaker 1: just saying yeah, just look at the list of everyone 742 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: else he hooked up with, just saying yeah, I'm just 743 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,319 Speaker 1: saying we didn't hook up. Just funny because you know 744 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: that's the most famous hook up Bill Clinton, Monica Lewinsky, 745 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: Very true, Monica Lewinsky. Yes, I was gonna say of 746 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:12,320 Speaker 1: you know, shifting things. You know, I know now is 747 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 1: absolutely getting yeah, getting um. I the end of the 748 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 1: end of this book absolutely made me cry. Oh my god, 749 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,320 Speaker 1: I was. I literally I moved my car this morning sobbing. 750 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,720 Speaker 1: It's so touching. You know, she she talks about death 751 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 1: and she just has this really poignant way she she 752 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,840 Speaker 1: kind of gets into it by disgusting like all the 753 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 1: other writing about death out there, and has so much 754 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 1: like magazine writing, which she's you know, world She's been 755 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: a part of her so long as always saying like 756 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 1: isn't it great age, and like you know, now you 757 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 1: really know who you are? And great you know, sixty 758 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 1: five is the new seventy five. You know, all these 759 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 1: kind of like little aphorisms and like aging Woman liked, 760 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: and she was like, can we write a real thing. 761 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 1: It's so this part is so sad, but it is 762 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 1: just like think about aging and you start hearing about 763 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 1: everyone's problems, and basically her best friends like oral cancer, 764 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,840 Speaker 1: oral cancer, and like lump on her she had a 765 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 1: lump on her tongue. And then a year later she 766 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 1: was gone, and like she didn't want everyone to know 767 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 1: and do a whole thing. And then six years later 768 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 1: Nora Ephron dies, Well you know what's insane. So and 769 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: she also did it. She was diagnosed the year this 770 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,279 Speaker 1: book came out. So I think that like as she 771 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,840 Speaker 1: was writing this, she was maybe like she had maybe 772 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 1: just found out, and so I was kind of thinking 773 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 1: about this as whether there's like oh she I think 774 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,280 Speaker 1: she like that's partly what's imbuing this with like so 775 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,239 Speaker 1: much weight is because yeah, not only her friends dying 776 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,439 Speaker 1: and her best friend just died, but she's like thinking 777 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 1: about her own mortality in this way. And she's like 778 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,799 Speaker 1: even more so because like she just got this diagnosis, 779 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,799 Speaker 1: because she says she admires her friend Henry, who had 780 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: like maculated duration or something, but like didn't let on 781 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,879 Speaker 1: he had like a really bad cataract, but like didn't 782 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,799 Speaker 1: tell people. Yeah, it's very she's admiring that stoicism and 783 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 1: just like no going on with your life and just 784 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 1: living in which I think it's like pros and cons 785 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: to be like I'm going to live my life and 786 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,960 Speaker 1: not tell anyone. It's actually fair. The plot of that 787 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 1: film The Farewell, Yeah you haven't seen. I mean she's 788 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: saying about like, if you get like cancer, you don't 789 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,840 Speaker 1: like tell because you don't want people to just like 790 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: constantly be like pitying you and be sad for you 791 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,799 Speaker 1: and like to live life. Because she talks about like 792 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: how you're supposed to have this conversation with friends about 793 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,320 Speaker 1: what they would want like in the end event of 794 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 1: their death and like living will and all this stuff. 795 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,920 Speaker 1: She goes, but before you get sick, you've absolutely no 796 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,200 Speaker 1: idea of how you're going to feel. Once you do. 797 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 1: You can imagine you'll be brave, but it's just as 798 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 1: possible you'll be terrified. You can hope that you'll find 799 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 1: a way to accept death, but you could just easily 800 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 1: end up raging against it. You have no idea how 801 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,879 Speaker 1: your particular prognosis is going to be or how you'll 802 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,920 Speaker 1: react to it or what options you'll have. You'll have 803 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,920 Speaker 1: no clue whether you'll even know the truth about your prognosis, 804 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,759 Speaker 1: because the real question is what is the truth and 805 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: who is going to tell us? And are we even 806 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: going to want to hear it? Like that to me 807 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,799 Speaker 1: is really I think she's grappley without herself. And no, 808 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,360 Speaker 1: it made me like so scared of like death and everything, 809 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: because it's like, yes, there are obviously things you can 810 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 1: for rent, but just like being a teenager, it's like, 811 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, we could all get like the most 812 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 1: random diagnosis of just like lip cancer or whatever at 813 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,879 Speaker 1: like sixty eight. You know, it's like a crapshoot. Life 814 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,200 Speaker 1: is an absolute crapshoot, and so you have to enjoy 815 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 1: what you can and you know, and make a will. 816 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: Our high school emails my sister every single week about 817 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,759 Speaker 1: writing a will and how they have a will workshop 818 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,360 Speaker 1: programs really in saying I know, they're like, do you 819 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,320 Speaker 1: want to write a living will? I mean, I've already 820 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,799 Speaker 1: made my death plan, as you know, I'm gonna We 821 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: talked about that lounge, the part where Judy says when 822 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,759 Speaker 1: they're talking and Judy's like I don't want to die. 823 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 1: Judy said, I believe in miracles. She said, I love you. 824 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,480 Speaker 1: She said, can you believe this? She said no, I 825 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,960 Speaker 1: can't believe it. I still can't believe it. Let's not 826 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,839 Speaker 1: be more of it. Let's put little smiley faces on 827 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,280 Speaker 1: our faces. L O L eat, drink and be merry 828 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,320 Speaker 1: sees the day life goes on. It could be worse 829 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,799 Speaker 1: than the other popular consider the alternative. And meanwhile, here 830 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 1: we are what is to be done? I don't know. 831 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,879 Speaker 1: I hope that's clear. So take this an go hunt 832 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 1: down the hungarian casserole. You want, make a meal that's 833 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 1: too complicated, regret it, another one simpler. Then find your 834 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,279 Speaker 1: own way to make a meal, and you'll realize maybe 835 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 1: it's a combination of the two. Maybe it's some other 836 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,960 Speaker 1: third thing that you go to Vegas with your girlfriends. 837 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 1: She's like, I don't know if you want. You're supposed 838 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,719 Speaker 1: to live every day because your last we're supposed to save. 839 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,360 Speaker 1: And it's like, do both do it all? Have five cappuccinos, 840 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,719 Speaker 1: buy an apartment, invest but also spend all your money. Yes, 841 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 1: absolutely invest and contact us for stockbroker recommendations. But it 842 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 1: is I don't know. Yeah it is, there's no answer. 843 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,279 Speaker 1: You know. She talks about the front and Henry has 844 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:52,719 Speaker 1: been one of the good ones. It's like he dies 845 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,759 Speaker 1: at eighty two, and so we have this thing where 846 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,680 Speaker 1: we're like, well, if you die in your eighties year old, 847 00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,880 Speaker 1: but it's like nor Afron, but if you die like 848 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 1: she's just seventy wine or seventy one, it's like, oh, 849 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,439 Speaker 1: it's like that's what you don't want. And I feel 850 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:05,719 Speaker 1: like I have this fear. I have this speak fore 851 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,239 Speaker 1: dine at fifty eight, but I feel like anything that 852 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 1: fifty five to seventy five range like feels like a failure. 853 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,440 Speaker 1: That's like when people are like he was so I mean, 854 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,439 Speaker 1: that's I feel like what people would always say, which 855 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 1: is so like actually kind of like weird to hear 856 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,399 Speaker 1: about my dad. They'd be like, oh, he's so young. 857 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,160 Speaker 1: You're like, well, You're like it's not that young. But 858 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 1: like then you're like, oh, well, now I'm thinking like 859 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,120 Speaker 1: it is too young. Yeah, yeah, no, I think the 860 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,880 Speaker 1: fifty and especially and if it starts to happen and 861 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,520 Speaker 1: if you get the and you know, you get the 862 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,920 Speaker 1: prognosis because everyone gets cancer. Now, like, what are you 863 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,319 Speaker 1: gonna do, you know, and then you and then you'll 864 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 1: start to feel like this this sat is in the regretting, 865 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,359 Speaker 1: Oh Judy died in the worst way. I mean, yeah, 866 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,040 Speaker 1: how was that she'd had in the worst way? It 867 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,320 Speaker 1: was so sad. I don't know. I keep saying that 868 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:52,719 Speaker 1: if I ever get cancer, I just want to move 869 00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 1: to Sardinia and drink wine and no kind of live 870 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 1: it out and live it out, and maybe it'll be 871 00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,560 Speaker 1: one of those stories where it's like and he lived 872 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,000 Speaker 1: for forty more years or something, you know, Yeah, I 873 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,480 Speaker 1: mean I think it always depends on also, like what 874 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,920 Speaker 1: you get, and you'll never and exactly you'll never know. 875 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, my dad had my aloma, which 876 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: is a blood cancer like Nora gott Oh she got 877 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,799 Speaker 1: also the same thing. It wasn't he had, but it 878 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,560 Speaker 1: was I believe it was a blood cancer like leukemia, 879 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,760 Speaker 1: like one of something like that. And I feel like 880 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,879 Speaker 1: so like it's done. And then now you know, over 881 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: ten years in remission building building a deck. He's building 882 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:33,520 Speaker 1: a deck. So you never know, and you have to 883 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 1: be grateful and be so thankful and wake up every 884 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:41,960 Speaker 1: day every day choosing life, choosing life and screaming um 885 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:46,840 Speaker 1: aphorisms about gratitude out your window, out your gorgeous windows 886 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:51,359 Speaker 1: of the anthrope, out of your apartment. That's ten dollars 887 00:48:51,520 --> 00:49:00,840 Speaker 1: a month, Hey, club kids. This week on the vip Lounge, 888 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,600 Speaker 1: we talk about fashion Week, lesbian country music concerts, digging 889 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:11,719 Speaker 1: for vintage, oh, and Kobe Beef. Bachelor Nation is so 890 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,960 Speaker 1: like cousin oriented because and I said it's before heterosexual 891 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:22,560 Speaker 1: culture is incredibly cousin oriented. Likes abased with. It's literally 892 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,279 Speaker 1: cousin nations. Shapeluss with being friends with their cousins, knowing 893 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,040 Speaker 1: their cousins, seeing their cousins, being with their cousins, that 894 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,680 Speaker 1: their kids know their cousins kids. It's very just like, oh, 895 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,279 Speaker 1: it's just it's a it's a real cousin show. Over 896 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,399 Speaker 1: there to hear the whole thing. Good at Patreon dot com, 897 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:46,160 Speaker 1: sa CBC the patent subscribe. You've got segments. How does 898 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,120 Speaker 1: she live? What does she eat? What does she wear? 899 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:54,200 Speaker 1: What does she wear? She's so like scarves BA. Sorry, 900 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,560 Speaker 1: black just works. Yeah. I put on a pair of 901 00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:02,320 Speaker 1: black slacks and a black turtleneck and I just look amazing. 902 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 1: I were black even when I'm in los Angele, Oh 903 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,239 Speaker 1: my god. No. Best thing is she's like my girlfriend. 904 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,440 Speaker 1: We went on this whole trip for her to get 905 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 1: a purse, and you wouldn't believe the purse cost twenty 906 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,760 Speaker 1: plus air fare. Well, the purse I use, she literally 907 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,360 Speaker 1: describes the Susan. I feel like it is a Susan 908 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,799 Speaker 1: Alexandra Parse. She gets like a MetroCard purse. But she 909 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,279 Speaker 1: gets it at the transit museum. Yes, and she goes 910 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,759 Speaker 1: and people always stop it and they say, where'd you 911 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:31,680 Speaker 1: get that? And I say, the transportation Museum. And my 912 00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:38,080 Speaker 1: twenty five dollars went to preserving Preserving transportation is to 913 00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:43,279 Speaker 1: helping She's into helping improve the greatest subway system in 914 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:48,040 Speaker 1: the world and making it even better. Thank you very much. 915 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,360 Speaker 1: Here's the thing. If it was never in style, I 916 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,120 Speaker 1: can't go out of style. Um yeah, I mean she 917 00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:02,440 Speaker 1: is a fabulous upper woman. I think she has like 918 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,560 Speaker 1: a little pair of like Nike shocks that she like 919 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,680 Speaker 1: wears to go to the Korean but like is usually 920 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,920 Speaker 1: in more of like a it's just like a blue 921 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,160 Speaker 1: sweater and a black sweater and like, but I feel 922 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,200 Speaker 1: like she's saying that she hate hates evening banks. So 923 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,520 Speaker 1: she's like not being so heels and I think she's 924 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,880 Speaker 1: being more flats. Yeah, I mean, does she have a 925 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,160 Speaker 1: pair of maybe has some kitten heels that she's like 926 00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:24,799 Speaker 1: worn to the oscars. But I think it's like she 927 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,160 Speaker 1: is a mouse potato like it is a little more 928 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,399 Speaker 1: like she comfort. Yeah, and she's like obviously so many 929 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,560 Speaker 1: slippers and like she's getting a lot of slippers, maybe 930 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:40,439 Speaker 1: some lower Piana sweaters, like stunning cashmere sweaters. But she's 931 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,160 Speaker 1: also random and she's still like very Manhattan in the 932 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,440 Speaker 1: way where she is going to Bloomingdales and she's going 933 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,640 Speaker 1: to ZiT o'ma and like that's what I'm saying, like 934 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,440 Speaker 1: being like lower Piana, like is getting like a Kashmere sweater, 935 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,640 Speaker 1: going to Bloomingdale's, picking up a few things, picking up 936 00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:59,839 Speaker 1: some prescriptions Aaron's. Is there anything when you live in 937 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,360 Speaker 1: I want to live in Manhattan. No, I know Aaron's 938 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:11,960 Speaker 1: not in Manhattan or so yeah there absolutely dreadful, Um 939 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,400 Speaker 1: what does she eats? I mean she's being so like 940 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,640 Speaker 1: I never die, but obviously she's so insane in portions 941 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,440 Speaker 1: and like has this whole thing about being like I 942 00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,759 Speaker 1: entered college at one hundred and six pounds. When I 943 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,960 Speaker 1: came out, I was one hundred and twenty six pounds. Yeah, 944 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,799 Speaker 1: well I'm back to one hundred and ten and I'm 945 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,719 Speaker 1: writing this. It's like, oh, and then she's just like 946 00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,479 Speaker 1: and I can't wait to tell that, like fat girl 947 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,279 Speaker 1: who called me fat like in college, but like I've 948 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,279 Speaker 1: thinner than her now. I mean I think she's very 949 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,879 Speaker 1: every like just normal person, just being like, oh, I'm like, 950 00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,960 Speaker 1: now I feel fat, so I'm gonna eat less. But 951 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,359 Speaker 1: I'm still doing like roast chicken at home. And it's 952 00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,479 Speaker 1: very new recipes in the New York Times. Obviously she's 953 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,719 Speaker 1: got the Times on and I've had in every room, 954 00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,480 Speaker 1: every single room. And I was like, she's like, you know, 955 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,840 Speaker 1: calling restaurants, you know the famous China Pearl restaurant for 956 00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,279 Speaker 1: their or you know their lemon chicken. The recipe. I 957 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,160 Speaker 1: looked up the restaurant in closed in twenty twenty two. 958 00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:07,200 Speaker 1: We lost so many restaurants, But I think we should 959 00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,879 Speaker 1: compete or maybe we could do it together to make 960 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,759 Speaker 1: the lemon chicken. Does it pretty complicated? Okay? I have 961 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,080 Speaker 1: to like fry it in like water chestnut flower, and 962 00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:21,560 Speaker 1: I'm like Okay, now we're shopping for water flower. They 963 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:26,120 Speaker 1: don't where they shop for water just in flower. Okay, yeah, 964 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:27,719 Speaker 1: I mean I love the idea of us making this 965 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:32,040 Speaker 1: competitive lemon chicken. How does she live? Um? I think 966 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:37,240 Speaker 1: there's definitely a Buddha in there. Absolutely a few. Yeah, 967 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,240 Speaker 1: and there's like a fun pewter elephant from trip to India. 968 00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,360 Speaker 1: There's a fun oh yeah, there was wooden like cheetah 969 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,840 Speaker 1: from the one time too went to Africa. She's not 970 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,879 Speaker 1: going back. They don't have a hair dress. Wait. Um, 971 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,120 Speaker 1: this is like books, books, books and paper back in 972 00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,640 Speaker 1: the day, but this is when she's talking about changing 973 00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,160 Speaker 1: her style. I immediately got a divorced and gave my 974 00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,239 Speaker 1: husband all the furniture and began to make a study 975 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,960 Speaker 1: of Lee Bailey. I bought the chairs. He told me 976 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,960 Speaker 1: to buy the round dining room table. That seemed to 977 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,880 Speaker 1: be a part of the secret. She like gets white plates. 978 00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,759 Speaker 1: There's a pier where she like gets a little more 979 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,200 Speaker 1: preppy and like gets beige furniture and like throws out. 980 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,360 Speaker 1: I owed a collection of brightly painted wooden Mexican animals. 981 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,719 Speaker 1: I had red plates in a shag rug um and 982 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,480 Speaker 1: then she like throws them out. So I think she 983 00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,319 Speaker 1: does do like fun reynots where she is like going 984 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,440 Speaker 1: to want to throw out my furniture and stuff. I 985 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,399 Speaker 1: also this book made me want to get divorced. Oh, 986 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,880 Speaker 1: I know the way she mentions it so Cauchy was 987 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,000 Speaker 1: so fabulous that you don't even know which to where 988 00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,320 Speaker 1: she's talking. It's like, if I'm not on my third 989 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,879 Speaker 1: marriage by the time, I'm this is the problem with 990 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,879 Speaker 1: our generation, right if this was back in the day, 991 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:51,680 Speaker 1: we both would literally but we're just saying our ex 992 00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,680 Speaker 1: instead boring as that not to be like, well, after 993 00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:00,440 Speaker 1: my first marriage absolutely fell apart. Yeah, I went to 994 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,560 Speaker 1: France and I threw out that rug and now it's 995 00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,440 Speaker 1: just it's just been like, well I got rid of 996 00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:13,680 Speaker 1: his old MacBook. He was a total mouse potato. It 997 00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:18,480 Speaker 1: was a mouse potato. Okay, who are you in the book? 998 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not Lee Bailey because they don't have 999 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,680 Speaker 1: the round table. No, I think you're much more Nora 1000 00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:35,680 Speaker 1: Afron post first divorce, making a Brazilian Yeah, national dish, 1001 00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,120 Speaker 1: and I'm like trying to find my Lee Bailey self. 1002 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:43,080 Speaker 1: But you know, I'm I'm I'm you're buying sear sucker Napkins. Yeah, 1003 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,880 Speaker 1: and you're posting this your sucker napkins. Yeah. You know, 1004 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,719 Speaker 1: I think I'm on my journey, but I definitely like 1005 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,960 Speaker 1: relate to all of her, like you know, New York 1006 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,880 Speaker 1: media neurosis and being like, wait, I want to like 1007 00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,560 Speaker 1: be like this person, but I also want to do 1008 00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:02,120 Speaker 1: this thing right, but I want to make this meal. 1009 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it was just being like I was just 1010 00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,560 Speaker 1: like scheduling my dinner party. I'm like, it has to happen. 1011 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you're the last. Like I think I'm more 1012 00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,880 Speaker 1: I'm making the Brazilian national dish and you're more buying 1013 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,880 Speaker 1: the napkins and like calling mister Lee for his lemon 1014 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:24,759 Speaker 1: chicken recipe, like calling the famous restaurant, Oh interesting. Well, 1015 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,080 Speaker 1: I think I'm being a little more in a lesbian 1016 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,359 Speaker 1: bartender at Rollos, being like how did you make that? 1017 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,480 Speaker 1: Like Amortos hour, Yes, And I feel like I'm a 1018 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,560 Speaker 1: little more just like, oh, I bought like a massive 1019 00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,719 Speaker 1: piece of meat and I need to compress. People buy 1020 00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,680 Speaker 1: this like Brazilian dish, right, So I guess we're different. 1021 00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,879 Speaker 1: Nora's different, noras Um. I give this book absolutely five 1022 00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,600 Speaker 1: out of five. Give it five out of five. It's 1023 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,640 Speaker 1: just it's Bible. I'm sure it was. It really is Bible. 1024 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,759 Speaker 1: I'm sure you can. I'm sure it's on your mom's shelf. 1025 00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,040 Speaker 1: Go grab it, go home, read it in a few hours. 1026 00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,759 Speaker 1: It's cozy up. It's a really beautiful Literally, I was 1027 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,840 Speaker 1: so inspired also as a writer. As a writer, no, 1028 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:08,080 Speaker 1: I was actually also inspired by because she's being so writer, 1029 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,600 Speaker 1: but she's really really like, um, she injects the personal 1030 00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,799 Speaker 1: way that is so I mean, it is like a personality, 1031 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:20,160 Speaker 1: but it's like it just feels so natural and like unpretentious, 1032 00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:24,520 Speaker 1: makes writing look easy. I went but I literally after 1033 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,640 Speaker 1: we finished this last night, I went back and I 1034 00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,440 Speaker 1: like completely rewrote this piece that I've been working on um, 1035 00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,320 Speaker 1: and I was like, I put a lot more of 1036 00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:36,400 Speaker 1: myself into it. But it was actually I felt like 1037 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,600 Speaker 1: it was it didn't feel forced at all, and it 1038 00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,680 Speaker 1: felt like natural and the piece got like so much 1039 00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,760 Speaker 1: funnier and I just like I was so much happier 1040 00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,520 Speaker 1: with that. It was like completely inspired by Nora. I 1041 00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,600 Speaker 1: just been like, you can just like say this and 1042 00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be so like and then the 1043 00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,600 Speaker 1: academic parts will sound even smarter because you're just being like, yeah, 1044 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,840 Speaker 1: this is the idea, like let's just be funny and 1045 00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,320 Speaker 1: come out real. She has like a really really straightforward 1046 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,800 Speaker 1: way of writing that. Well, I think that's the wrong 1047 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,680 Speaker 1: common her because of the way like rom coms are formatted. 1048 00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:08,360 Speaker 1: It's not all this let me prove myself, but it 1049 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,280 Speaker 1: gets to the point. But but your observations can still 1050 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:15,960 Speaker 1: be wildly profound, the way people are like, oh, a 1051 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,920 Speaker 1: rom com isn't profound, when actually it's just it's already 1052 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,240 Speaker 1: in there. It's like the more subti. I mean, When 1053 00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,440 Speaker 1: Harry Met Sally is such a brilliant meditation on desire, 1054 00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,440 Speaker 1: and I think it gets to so much like so 1055 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:31,280 Speaker 1: many people's like real anxieties and neurosis about how they're 1056 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,600 Speaker 1: perceived and how they want to be perceived. It's just 1057 00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,560 Speaker 1: like and it's not like it's freaks in my class 1058 00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,640 Speaker 1: right now that I'm taking literally. All we talked about 1059 00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,360 Speaker 1: is When Harry Met Sally. Wow. I mean that movie 1060 00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:48,640 Speaker 1: is like structured, structured boots. So well, that's wonderful to 1061 00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,959 Speaker 1: hear about your peace. Maybe you can tell me about 1062 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,320 Speaker 1: it at dinner party. I'll invite you over. Yeah, we'll 1063 00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:58,360 Speaker 1: see if I get invite it this time. Yeah, t 1064 00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,200 Speaker 1: I have to invite Hannah gold so you might not 1065 00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,280 Speaker 1: make the guy. Well, actually maybe we They had a 1066 00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,600 Speaker 1: Goldfielder be getting like Ramen somewhere like in a neighbor 1067 00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:11,080 Speaker 1: you'd never even heard of. Okay, over and out, best best, 1068 00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:20,200 Speaker 1: frantically texting Hanna Goldfield, Yeah, weird question. What are you 1069 00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,120 Speaker 1: doing this week? Yeah? Right, so crazy? My my week 1070 00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:31,320 Speaker 1: is super free. My Thirsdy just opened up. 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