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Speaker 1: Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the

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Speaker 1: upcoming NFL Draft with insiders from around the country. Inside

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Speaker 1: the Draft returns another week. Thanks for sticking with us.

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Speaker 1: This is our weekly look at the upcoming NFL Draft

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Speaker 1: at the end of April. I'm Matt Taylor. Casey Valier's

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Speaker 1: in studio or inside the Indiana Union Construction Industry Radio

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Speaker 1: studio by the way, And as you all know, the

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Speaker 1: Colts hold the fourth overall pick in the draft upcoming,

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Speaker 1: so with that comes a lot of intrigue on how

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Speaker 1: they'll handle that premium pick following a four twelve and

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Speaker 1: one season in two and twenty two. We're talking all

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Speaker 1: things draft today with our good friend Charlie Campbell is

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Speaker 1: back with a senior draft analyst from Walter Football dot Com. Charlie,

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Speaker 1: good to be with you again, sir. Happy draft season.

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Speaker 1: Thanks man, It's great to be with you guys. Always

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Speaker 1: enjoy talking Colts draft. Yep, this is gonna be a

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Speaker 1: great year among those years, is in a very memorable one,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure, no doubt. So yeah, absolutely, we got to

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Speaker 1: start there with the big storyline surrounding the Colts going

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Speaker 1: into this draft. Quarterback Will they draft a QB in

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Speaker 1: the top five, that's the big question. But for you, Charlie,

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Speaker 1: how many quarterbacks are worthy of consideration with the top

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Speaker 1: five pick in your estimation going into this draft. I

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Speaker 1: think the two Bryce Young from Alabama on cch Strap

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Speaker 1: And while they might not be considered the prospect like

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Speaker 1: definitely worthy of being top five picks in any draft class.

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Speaker 1: So if the Colts come away with one of those

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Speaker 1: the player who really wasn't worthy of going there. The

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Speaker 1: Colts won't be facing that with Stroud and Bryce Young.

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Speaker 1: Both of those guys are worthy of that fourth overall pick. Now,

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Speaker 1: one of the things we have heard of when you

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Speaker 1: when you look outside of those two, you've gotten you

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Speaker 1: know your Will Levis's and Anthony Richardson and I've been

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Speaker 1: but there's definitely that inconsistency. Hasn't put it together for

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Speaker 1: Is it safe to say that he has the highest

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Speaker 1: you could put together yeah, where you're like, this guy

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Speaker 1: So you know there's definitely, uh, super highs and low lows.

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Speaker 1: So uh, it's a he is a challenging evaluation in

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Speaker 1: as you said, Charlie to start this conversation, there are

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Speaker 1: you got CJ. Stroud and Bryce Young. So CJ. Stroud,

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Speaker 1: Walter Football dot Com. We talked with Charlie every year

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Speaker 1: ahead of the draft. Charlie, how competitive do you see

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Speaker 1: There you go, great stuff per usual. Charlie Campbell, senior

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